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Nolan Arenado traded to D’backs, Kyle Tucker's $50mil AAV Mets offer, Yankees-Bellinger talks continue · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Things that make me sad, news breaking two minutes after
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Speaker 1: a show, Things that make prats danced, which is why
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Speaker 1: some people watch the show. I kid you not, news
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Speaker 1: breaking minutes before a show.
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Speaker 2: Finally, finally, yeah, finally, we have a Nolan Arnaudo trade,
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Speaker 2: which was supposed to happen last year.
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Speaker 1: Let's hit it. Let's just let's hit it as soon
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Speaker 1: as we can so we can just get right into it.
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Speaker 1: Chuck it out, he go.
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Speaker 2: If you're a Cardinal fan Nolan Arnaudo, I mean, Listen's
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Speaker 2: been a garula nice player for a long time. People
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Speaker 2: are starting to wonder whether he's on the decline. But
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Speaker 2: the Arizona Diamondbacks don't believe. So now, they didn't give
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Speaker 2: up a ton Jack Martinez, right handed pitcher, but I
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Speaker 2: think the Cardinals are eating thirty thirty one a forty
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Speaker 2: two million. Oh so they two years they just kind
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Speaker 2: of wanted him out and the area is so the
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Speaker 2: Cardinals saves some money. Jack Martinez gets to go to
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals and there you have it. So thirty one
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Speaker 2: of the forty two Okay, But.
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Speaker 1: For Arizona, I mean in baseball money, that ain't a
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Speaker 1: lot five mil this year and six mil next year
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Speaker 1: for a.
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Speaker 2: Guy that's still productive. Defensively, he's still good, and offensively
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Speaker 2: he's still productive bust, but he's not. Listen, he's not
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Speaker 2: the Nolan Arnado that we came to expect for about
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Speaker 2: ten years. But he's still a good player.
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Speaker 1: He can still pick it at third. He's not he's
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Speaker 1: not as good as he was no, but he's still
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Speaker 1: what an above average defender and close to league average bat.
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Speaker 1: So that's what that gets paid on the marketplace. Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 1: We're in the running, and we don't know how much,
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Speaker 1: but in the running at least to some extent for
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Speaker 1: Alex Bregman, and we quickly see this pivot crats to
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Speaker 1: go get themselves. A third baseman who is super well respected,
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Speaker 1: wants to play every day gamer, will set up great
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Speaker 1: tone and join a very talented infield. One of the
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Speaker 1: best infields in baseball in my mind. Perdomo was a
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Speaker 1: top five MVP finisher last year and Cautel Marte is
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Speaker 1: arguably his best second basement in baseball.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're tremendous up the middle. Let's make sure
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Speaker 3: everybody knows that Nolan Ernado's going to give the Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 3: Everything that he has, how much is it?
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Speaker 2: You never know?
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Speaker 3: Look what George Springer did this year, everyone was like decline.
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Speaker 3: He signed a contract with the Blue Jays, he goes
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Speaker 3: into a different lineup. Who was protecting him in the
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Speaker 3: Cardinals lineup? Was he expected to be the guy in
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals lineup? Yes?
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 3: Contraras was there, but like he has a little bit
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Speaker 3: more around him. Perdomo put up the year that he had.
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Speaker 3: He I mean offensively, he took giant leaps last year.
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Speaker 3: Kutel Marte is an MVP candidate. I think Corbyn Carrol
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Speaker 3: if he takes away like a month and a half
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Speaker 3: of the last two seasons, he's an MVP candidate. So now,
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, if you have Nolan Ernado hitting
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Speaker 3: fifth or sixth, there's a lot less expected of him.
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Speaker 3: I guess this is the player side of me thinks,
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Speaker 3: why not? Why couldn't he be you know, he was
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Speaker 3: a little bit above average offensively, Why couldn't he be
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Speaker 3: you know, a one ten ops plus one fifteen ops
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Speaker 3: plus with the same defense, Because I don't think his
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Speaker 3: defense is going to decline like crazy here, and he
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Speaker 3: knows the national League West.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing, he hasn't He wasn't league
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Speaker 2: average last year he was eighty seven ope les plus,
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Speaker 2: So it's not about who was hitting behind him. The
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Speaker 2: problem is when the Cardinals got Nolan Arnado years ago,
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Speaker 2: he was a twenty twenty one. They got him after
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Speaker 2: the COVID year. He was good. He was really good.
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Speaker 2: He was a one to fifty one that year or
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Speaker 2: one nineteen twenty one, twenty twenty two he was a
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Speaker 2: one to fifty one ops. It was one o eight.
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Speaker 2: Then twenty four he was one h two. So the
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Speaker 2: numbers have kind of slowly gone down a little bit.
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Speaker 2: And then last year he was in eighty seven and
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Speaker 2: he only had twelve homers. The problem with him and
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals people say it is he's lost his power,
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Speaker 2: Like he'll hit you some singles, but he has no power,
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Speaker 2: so you throw him into this Diamondbacks line up. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't strike out a lot, which is nice for the Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 2: He does take his walks, he puts the ball in play.
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Speaker 2: He's not a high he's not a ton of an
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Speaker 2: OHIGOOBP guy. His defense will be solid and if you
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Speaker 2: put him in the six, five, six, seven range in
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Speaker 2: that lineup. I think he'll be fine. I think especially
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Speaker 2: going to Arizona from Saint Louis, which listen, in Arizona
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Speaker 2: is a better place to hit than Saint Louis. Power
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Speaker 2: might go up a little bit. He gets some games
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Speaker 2: in Colorado, he gets some I think this is a
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Speaker 2: nice move for the Diamondbacks. Listen, they were allegedly rumored
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Speaker 2: to be in on Bregman. They clearly weren't going to
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Speaker 2: the numbers that Pregnant got. So this is not a
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Speaker 2: bad fallback option for the Diambacks. It's only two years.
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Speaker 2: It's only two years.
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Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's fine. I feel like we
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Speaker 1: actually call this one out. We were like, yeah, if
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Speaker 1: you got him for I don't know, three, four or
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Speaker 1: five million bucks, yeah great. I mean this is still
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Speaker 1: a productive big league player. He's not a star anymore,
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Speaker 1: but this is a productive big league player with a
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Speaker 1: lot of dirt and his spikes, who knows how to
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Speaker 1: win some ball games. We got a super chat here.
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Speaker 1: Tim is cooking for us in Saint Louis Is from Brandon,
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Speaker 1: I'm ready for JJ Weatherhold at third sucks. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: lose s BRender Donovan two, but opens up second full
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Speaker 1: time for Nolan Gorman. Where's Donovan going super Chat, We
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Speaker 1: don't know yet. Actually, perhaps the shirt I'm wearing today
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Speaker 1: Giants perhaps splash territory Giants respond well.
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Speaker 2: The question for me is Donovan was supposed to be
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Speaker 2: traded a long time ago. As you know, we all
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Speaker 2: thought Donov would be traded for Arnatto.
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Speaker 1: Can tell Marte was supposed to tread.
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Speaker 2: Too, but then they pivot into are keeping him. We
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Speaker 2: could be pretty good.
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Speaker 1: Teams are stingy with their prospects.
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Speaker 2: Teams are stingy with stars too.
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Speaker 1: I think Donovan's going to get traded because I think
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Speaker 1: they are going to be enough teams that feel like
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Speaker 1: they didn't do enough. So I mean, I think the
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Speaker 1: Red Sox could be in play for him. I think
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Speaker 1: that we've already heard about the Royals, the Giants. There's
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Speaker 1: another team that Mariners. Yes, so there's a market there.
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Speaker 2: He's good for what hein. Bloom is good at what.
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Speaker 2: I'll give him Bloom credit for this. I mean, remember
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Speaker 2: he had to trade Looky Betts. Yeah right, I mean
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Speaker 2: he and he didn't although the return wasn't that great
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Speaker 2: for what he got from Loky Betts, but he's very
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Speaker 2: able to find and places to send guys. At other
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Speaker 2: times they don't think they're tradable. Like Rookie Betts. He
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Speaker 2: made that he got traded. He has now had to
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Speaker 2: trade Arnado right on the job. Right he traded Sunny Gray,
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Speaker 2: he traded mostly Contreras. These are all guys that had
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Speaker 2: no trade clauses, and he convinced them all like, hey, guys,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to be very good. You guys should
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Speaker 2: all get traded. Gray and controus both went to the
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Speaker 2: same place in Boston. Arnatto goes to the Diamondbacks. It's
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Speaker 2: it's fascinating. Hei Bloom is Heine bloom Is. I love
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Speaker 2: it to the next level and actually build a winning
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Speaker 2: roster and then be able to oversee it once they
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Speaker 3: And so for me, if I'm a Cardinal fan, I say,
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Speaker 3: heck yeah, time Bloom, Heck yeah, we got all this
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Speaker 3: money off of our roster. It's almost like getting free agents,
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Speaker 3: but I think hein Bloom. His one chance of setting
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Speaker 3: Red Sox, and you look where they're at now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're laking less money this year to the Cardinals.
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Speaker 1: They're part of that.
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Speaker 2: The one thing about the Cardinals is they've always drawn
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Speaker 2: really well at Bush Stadium, not anymore, not in this
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Speaker 2: past year they didn't. And now this year they're signaling
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Speaker 2: again they're not going to be any good. Cardinal fans
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Speaker 2: will come out if you're decent, if heck, if you're
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Speaker 2: five hundred Cardinal fans That's one of the craziest plays
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Speaker 2: I ever played. You can be ozer for fifty and
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Speaker 2: they'll give you a standing ovation. And because they're like, oh,
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Speaker 2: crap out of you there. They don't, right, but they
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Speaker 2: don't come out if you're not saying you're going to
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Speaker 2: be competitive. And for the last about twenty years, the
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Speaker 2: Cardinals have signal they're going to be really competitive. And
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Speaker 2: this is the first year where they really kind of
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Speaker 2: just said, you know what, let's give him Bloom a
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Speaker 2: chance to cook. We're going to trade most of our
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Speaker 2: guys and we're going to start over and let him
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Speaker 2: build this roster the way he wants to build it.
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Speaker 2: And it sucks if you're a Cardinals fan, but I
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Speaker 2: think you guys have one of the right guys in
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Speaker 2: the right place in charge to help this go faster
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Speaker 2: than some other teams can do it.
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Speaker 1: Hey, they couldn't trade an olanar and Otto last year.
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Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, it took him fifteen months to pull
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Speaker 1: this off. Remember they had a deal to Houston and
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Speaker 1: they ended up Houston pivoting quickly to Christian Walker. They
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Speaker 1: couldn't find a spot for an Olan and he Zach paratees, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they added him too, that's true. And then apparently this
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Speaker 1: time around, according to Katie Wu, who writes for The
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Speaker 1: Athletic and is a host now on Dodgers' territory, but
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Speaker 1: it is very connected with the Cardinals, she said that
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Speaker 1: the talks this time around were like, Hey, we need
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Speaker 1: more flexibility on your no trade list, and in exchange,
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Speaker 1: we will be more flexible about how much money in
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Speaker 1: the contract we eat so that we can make sure
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Speaker 1: a deal gets done. They were not going to go
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Speaker 1: into another season with Nolan there. It's not like he
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Speaker 1: was bad for the club. They just want to move on.
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Speaker 1: They want to get the youth movement going, they want
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Speaker 1: to save money. They're not a playoff team this year,
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Speaker 1: and so credit to both sides for agreeing to make sense,
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Speaker 1: get this done, send him to a spot that he's
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Speaker 1: probably pretty happy with. As we talked about many times
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Speaker 1: in the show, most guys are a West Coast guy,
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Speaker 1: go to Arizona. He's a West Coast guy.
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Speaker 2: Arizon. Other thing is when you can live and play
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Speaker 2: in the same thing for spring training and the regular season.
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Speaker 2: And let's not forget I don't know where Nolan lives
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Speaker 2: in the offseason, if he still lives in California, But
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Speaker 2: if you can move, he can buy a place in
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Speaker 2: Arizona and live there all year round and never have
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Speaker 2: to move, which is one of the huge, huge perks
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Speaker 2: of the Diamondbacks to people. And excuse me, it is
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Speaker 2: one of the wonders why Tampa used to do this.
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Speaker 2: Tampa doesn't do it anymore. But Tampa Bay used to
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Speaker 2: have their spring training right next to the TRUP. Now
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Speaker 2: that's in Port Charlotte, obviously, but if you can do that,
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Speaker 2: it is a huge perk, especially if you want to
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Speaker 2: try and sign free agent guys. The Rays don't do
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Speaker 2: that obviously the same level of the Diamondbacks do.
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Speaker 1: But it helps.
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Speaker 2: Tell my wife is a player. Hey, honey, guess what,
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Speaker 2: you don't have to move for spring training. You don't
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Speaker 2: have to move for the season. You just have to
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Speaker 2: find one place for the whole year or for multiple years,
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Speaker 2: and you can buy that house and you save the
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Speaker 2: spring training move you spring, save the spring training money,
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Speaker 2: You save the headache that usually falls on not the
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Speaker 2: player but the significant other of the player, and the
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Speaker 2: kids don't have to move their stuff they can go
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Speaker 2: to school year round in one place. It's a huge thing.
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Speaker 1: Man INSIDEED insider and FT insider Robert Murray reporting the
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Speaker 1: Mets have offered fifty million dollars per season to Kyle
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Speaker 1: Tucker on a short term contract. We don't know the years,
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Speaker 1: but fifty million dollars, didn't We talk to Ken earlier
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Speaker 1: and he was waiting to Will Salmon on maybe three years.
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Speaker 1: So if we want to guess maybe three years one fifty.
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Speaker 2: Is there opt outs?
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Speaker 1: There's definitely opt outs.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, why would guy sign that entered the
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Speaker 2: wuld you just take one year fifty, have a good year,
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Speaker 2: and then then redo it like everyone else has done.
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Speaker 1: What if the Blue Jays are offering three hundred? Do
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Speaker 1: you want three years?
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Speaker 2: Again?
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Speaker 1: Trust years three hundred?
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Speaker 2: How much do you trust yourself?
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Speaker 1: What would you do yourself? What would you do? Okay?
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Speaker 2: If I had six years three hundred on the table
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Speaker 2: and three years one.
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Speaker 1: Fifty, well I'll say like eight years three hundred because
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Speaker 1: otherwise the AAV doesn't match up. Yeah, but but eight
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Speaker 1: years three hundred or three years one fifty.
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Speaker 3: I take the eight years, crats, it's going to be
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Speaker 3: more like ten years three hundred. I would take the
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Speaker 3: ten years three hundred. Like guy's been hurting, the guy's missed,
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Speaker 3: he played hurt. He's like, well that didn't work out.
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Speaker 3: I was having an awesome year and then I had
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Speaker 3: to play through the injury. And the year before he
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Speaker 3: was having MVP start to the year and then he
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Speaker 3: got hurt. I'm not saying don't bet on yourself. It's
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Speaker 3: not at all saying don't you believe in yourself. But
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Speaker 3: anybody that says I'll just go one year deals if
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Speaker 3: you get fifty million a year for the next ten years, absolutely,
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Speaker 3: but three hundred million, three hundred million for ten years, yes.
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Speaker 2: Please agreed. Agreed. By the way, can we just spreading rumors?
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Speaker 2: A little thing in a jigger front end a fee
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Speaker 2: that you guys call it front end? Is that chunky
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Speaker 2: peanut butter? Because nobody really likes chunky peanut butter.
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Speaker 1: They if you ever request smooth, then you can make
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Speaker 1: that request.
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Speaker 2: It likes chunky. Nobody like because they get the little
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Speaker 2: chunks get stuck in your teeth and stuff like chunky
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Speaker 2: peanut butter is not. Where's that guy? I like smooth?
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Speaker 2: I agree, like Delicio smooth.
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Speaker 3: Delicious. Not that I picked chunky, but chunky is still
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Speaker 3: delicious everybody.
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Speaker 2: But it gets stuck in your teeth and then you
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Speaker 2: got to get a tooth pick. It's just it's not.
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Speaker 2: It's not where's that it's good, It's not where it's at.
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Speaker 1: Is the market telling us that they feel as if
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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker still has to prove something.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because the last few years he's been hurt and
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Speaker 2: he had a no. It is telling us that it
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Speaker 2: is if he hasn't gotten the ten year, four hundred
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Speaker 2: million dollars whatever it is that they were supposed to
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Speaker 2: talk about that Everyone said he thought he would get
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Speaker 2: going into the offseason, and if he has to settle
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Speaker 2: for a short term deal. It told Pete Alonzo wasn't there.
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Speaker 2: It told Alex pregman O one there, told Matt Chavana
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Speaker 2: won there, told Blake Snell it wasn't there. Like all
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Speaker 2: these guys. It's told that the marketsaw there. Like Kratz
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Speaker 2: talked about earlier with Ken Rosenthal, you gotta take what
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Speaker 2: you get. And if you can get three one fifty
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Speaker 2: with opt out after year one, a year two, and
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Speaker 2: you can go two years and get one hundred and
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Speaker 2: then be thirty one years old and maybe get another
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Speaker 2: four or five year deal. If there's nothing else out there,
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Speaker 2: you grab that and you go go to Fort Saint
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Speaker 2: Lucy and smile.
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Speaker 1: I still think the blue Jays have a longer term
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Speaker 1: offer going his way. I don't think the Blue Jays
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Speaker 1: are operating like the Mets and the Dodgers where they
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Speaker 1: do the short term AAV and the contract looks like
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Speaker 1: an opt out situation. So I know, you guys say
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Speaker 1: he was hurt right two years ago, I get it.
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Speaker 1: Seventy eight games, that's about half of the season. Although
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Speaker 1: using metrics that front office is like, I know you
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Speaker 1: guys were playing the war game all day yesterday. He
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Speaker 1: was almost a five win player in the season that
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Speaker 1: he was hurt. Ten win players insane, right, And that
17:30
Speaker 1: was the season that he was hurt. In the seasons
17:32
Speaker 1: before that, he was pretty solid games played and a
17:35
Speaker 1: five plus win player one fifty seven fifty one. This
17:38
Speaker 1: past season, I know he dealt with what was it,
17:40
Speaker 1: the heel calf. One hundred and thirty six games played,
17:44
Speaker 1: five hundred and ninety seven played appearances, two sixty six average,
17:48
Speaker 1: three seventy seven on base four sixty four slugging eight
17:50
Speaker 1: forty one ops one forty three ops plus, don't discount
17:54
Speaker 1: that the Cubs ball park played very pitcher friendly this
17:57
Speaker 1: past season. It's not like looked and said, oh man,
18:01
Speaker 1: this guy's got to prove it. I mean, Alex Reigman
18:05
Speaker 1: didn't have to prove it. Kyle market tells much better
18:07
Speaker 1: season than him, and he's younger than him. So why
18:09
Speaker 1: does Kyle Tucker have to prove himself after an age
18:11
Speaker 1: twenty eight season like that?
18:13
Speaker 2: Because the market tells him he does? Okay, that's why.
18:16
Speaker 2: There's no other reason he shouldn't have to. But if
18:19
Speaker 2: the market dictates, the market dictates what you were.
18:22
Speaker 1: So you have a one year contract to prove it,
18:25
Speaker 1: and you're going to go to a team that is
18:26
Speaker 1: in a what at least top ten pitchers ballpark and
18:32
Speaker 1: just lost quite a bit of AMMO. I'm not saying
18:38
Speaker 1: they're bad. Obviously the Mets should be a contender, but
18:41
Speaker 1: they certainly have lost quite a few pieces. Yeah, you've
18:43
Speaker 1: got so, you've got Lindor. But is that the selection
18:46
Speaker 1: that you make in a high.
18:47
Speaker 2: Pressure that your best opportunity?
18:49
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think that's his best opport I think
18:52
Speaker 1: Rogers something out there similar and the blue Jays. Here's
18:56
Speaker 1: the thing, And I've said this multiple times and I
18:58
Speaker 1: continue to believe this because Kyle Tucker not want to
19:00
Speaker 1: go to Toronto. I have it in my head. They
19:03
Speaker 1: definitely have the best offer, and it's a longer term offer.
19:06
Speaker 1: I don't know how long, but there's definitely something there.
19:09
Speaker 1: I don't think the blue Jays fuck around. Do you
19:15
Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong? I don't.
19:16
Speaker 2: I don't think here.
19:17
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like, oh, well, the blue Jays
19:19
Speaker 1: only threw him three Okay, If.
19:21
Speaker 2: It's not the blue Jays or the Mets and who else,
19:23
Speaker 2: well that he's don't seem interested.
19:24
Speaker 1: Those three teams are clearly there's a third involved, the Mets,
19:29
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and the blue Jays.
19:31
Speaker 2: The Dodgers don't have a history of throwing long term
19:32
Speaker 2: contracts out there, so I don't think that he's the.
19:34
Speaker 1: Dodgers doing the same thing as Mets. They're saying, hey,
19:37
Speaker 1: if you want to come here, we'll pay you a
19:38
Speaker 1: lot for a season, and then you hit free agency again,
19:40
Speaker 1: we'll give you one, two or three years. That's probably
19:43
Speaker 1: what they're saying. The Mets are going hey, I mean,
19:45
Speaker 1: here's my guess. Ready, Dodgers are throwing two or three
19:47
Speaker 1: years at I don't know, forty ish a year. Mets
19:50
Speaker 1: are like, cool, we love the Dodgers. We want to
19:52
Speaker 1: do what they're doing. We'll do three years fifty MILLI year.
19:55
Speaker 1: And then I think he's had an offer, or at
19:57
Speaker 1: least a conversation about an offer from the Blue Jays
20:00
Speaker 1: for a while now about a longer term contract. Kratz,
20:03
Speaker 1: what do you think?
20:05
Speaker 3: I think if it is in this range, if it's
20:08
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars for one not one year, but if
20:12
Speaker 3: it's fifty million for three years, I don't see how
20:15
Speaker 3: the Mets. I don't see how the Mets take this down,
20:17
Speaker 3: because my assumption would be the Dodgers would say, heyo,
20:21
Speaker 3: you're moving over to left field. We were willing to
20:24
Speaker 3: put twenty million into Michael Conforto for a single season.
20:30
Speaker 3: We'll definitely do a single season type of contract and
20:34
Speaker 3: put you in right field. I think it's so to
20:37
Speaker 3: me if this is where he's at and he doesn't
20:39
Speaker 3: want to take say seven years, two hundred and twenty
20:45
Speaker 3: from the Blue Jays, just speculating, just questioning, then I mean,
20:52
Speaker 3: I think it's I think the Dodgers would take this down.
20:54
Speaker 3: I think the Dodgers would take it down over the Mets, don't.
20:57
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think that number could get
21:00
Speaker 3: too high for the met for the Dodgers in a
21:03
Speaker 3: one year thing. And I think that's where he would
21:06
Speaker 3: where he would My guess is that's where he would
21:09
Speaker 3: want to go over.
21:11
Speaker 2: The Mets.
21:14
Speaker 1: Front offices do a great job of analyzing and really
21:17
Speaker 1: picking apart players.
21:18
Speaker 2: Right.
21:19
Speaker 1: Oh, this part's great, but we hate this part of him.
21:21
Speaker 1: I mean that's common, that's what they do, especially nowadays
21:24
Speaker 1: in free agency with almost everyone. There are two players
21:27
Speaker 1: in the sport that have about an even strikeout to
21:30
Speaker 1: walk ratio over the last two years with the five
21:32
Speaker 1: hundred plus slug percentage. It's Kyle Tucker and Wan Sota.
21:35
Speaker 1: Wan Soto received a lot of love last offseason. What
21:40
Speaker 1: am I missing here? You think it's just injury related.
21:42
Speaker 1: Teams are not trusting the durability suddenly over the past
21:46
Speaker 1: couple of years. It's not like he didn't play last year.
21:50
Speaker 1: I mean almost six hundred played appearances.
21:54
Speaker 3: I don't know collusion.
21:56
Speaker 2: I don't know why he's not getting the money.
21:59
Speaker 1: Just doesn't have the suitors right now.
22:01
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, sometimes it comes down and who's
22:03
Speaker 2: after you?
22:03
Speaker 1: I don't know.
22:04
Speaker 2: I wish I knew the answer that's got because I
22:06
Speaker 2: want every player to get every dollar they can.
22:09
Speaker 1: This is a confusing one for me.
22:16
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't Okay, I don't see it.
22:19
Speaker 3: I don't You can you can make any any reason
22:22
Speaker 3: to say yes, he's not worth it. You made reasons.
22:25
Speaker 3: AJ made some very valid points of why Jan Soto
22:28
Speaker 3: shouldn't get the money that he got. It takes one
22:32
Speaker 3: owner to say yes, I'll go ahead. You know, before
22:37
Speaker 3: Soto signed, we were like, come on, over seven hundred million.
22:42
Speaker 3: That's a crazy number, Like, how can you lock up
22:44
Speaker 3: one guy for over seven hundred minute? How can you
22:46
Speaker 3: give Kyle Tucker four hundred million dollars? Like to me,
22:51
Speaker 3: I I truly thought he was a ten year, three
22:55
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty three hundred and forty three hundred and
22:57
Speaker 3: fifty million dollar type of player. That's that's what I thought.
23:01
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. The consistency was plays an all
23:03
Speaker 3: around game. People say he's hurt, I'd be like, all right,
23:06
Speaker 3: well where else are you going to get this high?
23:08
Speaker 3: Of a ceiling from any player, and right now, teams
23:13
Speaker 3: are not teams are not bouncing in that category. And
23:16
Speaker 3: I think your first question was do you think teams
23:19
Speaker 3: don't don't believe in him? Or I forget exactly what
23:22
Speaker 3: you said, Scott, but to me, I think he's he's
23:26
Speaker 3: overvalued by the market in the sense of they're not
23:30
Speaker 3: willing to or he's overvalued himself in the market where
23:36
Speaker 3: if a team has come to him and said, we'll
23:37
Speaker 3: give you two hundred and forty million, he says, I
23:39
Speaker 3: mean unless his number starts at three, I don't even
23:42
Speaker 3: want to talk. Obviously, we don't know what's going on
23:44
Speaker 3: in those conversations.
23:46
Speaker 1: And hey, maybe he does take fifty million for this season,
23:48
Speaker 1: crushes it with a team and then the right suitor
23:51
Speaker 1: comes to mind. Sometimes it's not about the platform season,
23:54
Speaker 1: but it's also about the market. Right there's a team
23:57
Speaker 1: that really needs, you know, a star outfield, just seems
24:01
Speaker 1: like some of those teams are going to play for him.
24:04
Speaker 1: And it's a large, large ask if he is in
24:08
Speaker 1: the three hundred plus range. There are just not many
24:10
Speaker 1: teams that want to dance like that right now. In general,
24:14
Speaker 1: in baseball, no teams are forced to do that. Okay,
24:16
Speaker 1: let's get to the next rumor. Cody Bellinger conversations continuing
24:20
Speaker 1: with the Yankees. John Hayman reports this morning that talks
24:26
Speaker 1: have continued into this week. The Yankees are trying to
24:29
Speaker 1: bridge the gap in years by enhancing their latest offer,
24:31
Speaker 1: which is a five year offer. They're offering an opt out,
24:35
Speaker 1: They're offering a nice signing bonus. They're offering no deferrals.
24:38
Speaker 1: Parties have possible options, but effort being made to stay together.
24:43
Speaker 1: I continue to think this is the marriage that stays strong.
24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, both sides need each other.
24:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can up things. I don't know, does
24:55
Speaker 1: the opt out do anything for you? I guess if
24:58
Speaker 1: it's after one year and he bangs again, and I
25:01
Speaker 1: don't know.
25:01
Speaker 2: How because he's done it at years now, I don't
25:06
Speaker 2: know that he wants to do that.
25:07
Speaker 1: Again, you know. But if it's if it's that same
25:10
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say he can't get the sixth year,
25:12
Speaker 1: it just can't figure it out with another team whatever,
25:14
Speaker 1: and it's five and then he says, cool, I want
25:16
Speaker 1: an opt out in case I have another superstar season.
25:18
Speaker 1: And then things change with the next CBA. He could
25:21
Speaker 1: do that. The Yankees might be like, well, we're committing five.
25:24
Speaker 2: Years plus, Like I don't want to give you.
25:26
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. Maybe maybe they say
25:28
Speaker 1: after year three, right, but then his free agency is
25:32
Speaker 1: not looked at the same way that exactly.
25:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't I don't know. This is Bellinger
25:37
Speaker 2: is an interesting one because again this goes back to
25:39
Speaker 2: what other teams are interested. All we've really heard is Yankees, Yankee, Yankee,
25:44
Speaker 2: Yank Yanks.
25:46
Speaker 1: At that level, I'm not sure. Clearly the Mets like
25:49
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker a lot more than Cody Bellinger.
25:51
Speaker 2: I think that's you mentioned the Angels. But would they
25:54
Speaker 2: want to do that Dodgers or they want to bring
25:56
Speaker 2: him back he was already there and then't bring him back.
25:59
Speaker 1: He's going to cost potentially five to one fifty, which
26:01
Speaker 1: is the same that the Mets probably are offering Kyle
26:03
Speaker 1: Tucker over three years right now with an opt out.
26:07
Speaker 1: But Tucker is a better player, better track record, So
26:11
Speaker 1: we'll see. This is interesting. This is heating up.
26:14
Speaker 3: Why not the Mets? Why not the Mets? Jorge Polanka
26:17
Speaker 3: is the answer at first base, Like they have a SUDA,
26:21
Speaker 3: they have a need in center field?
26:25
Speaker 1: Is it?
26:25
Speaker 3: Is it the years? Is it five years? Is it
26:27
Speaker 3: the look that woh whoa, whoa? You gave Cody Bellinger
26:32
Speaker 3: six years to get him over there. Why couldn't you
26:35
Speaker 3: have given Pete money? Like to me, I think the
26:38
Speaker 3: market should be out there for Cody, I because the
26:43
Speaker 3: whole time it was like the end of his LA career.
26:46
Speaker 3: You look at his war the last three years. You
26:48
Speaker 3: look at his ops plus it was one twelve forty
26:53
Speaker 3: four both injuries shortened years, and then eighty one ops plus. Yes,
26:59
Speaker 3: he had to rebuild his back. But how many times
27:00
Speaker 3: does Cody Bellinger say, yeah, go on, how many times
27:03
Speaker 3: do I have to rebuild my value?
27:08
Speaker 1: I feel you? I mean, hey, remember the Cubs traded
27:11
Speaker 1: him to the Yankees a year ago and they had
27:13
Speaker 1: to eat some money. You know, things can change very
27:16
Speaker 1: quickly up and down to the free agent.
27:17
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of all that, we're sprinting rumors,
27:19
Speaker 2: we haven't heard any from ber Valdez rumors. Very few
27:23
Speaker 2: Rangers Suarez rumors.
27:25
Speaker 1: Orioles and Mets have been linked to those two for
27:26
Speaker 1: a long time, but nothing like they're in a stalemate.
27:29
Speaker 1: You know why, because they think that they need to
27:31
Speaker 1: get closer to the Dylanc's contract and they're not going
27:35
Speaker 1: They're not.
27:35
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, those are some pretty big names that
27:38
Speaker 2: just haven't even really I mean, we haven't talked about
27:40
Speaker 2: a ton.
27:41
Speaker 1: Those deals are not going to be as big. I
27:44
Speaker 1: think with Suarez it's some injury history, and with Valdez
27:47
Speaker 1: it's other things that we've talked about in the past.
27:49
Speaker 1: Let's get to one more rumor before we finish up.
27:52
Speaker 1: This is a juicy one. Jeff Passon reporting the Giants
27:55
Speaker 1: are aggressively pursuing a second basement and had been engaged
27:58
Speaker 1: in talks with the cub on Nico Horner and the
28:01
Speaker 1: Cardinals on Brendan Donovan. An infield of Matt Chapman, Willia
28:04
Speaker 1: Domas and either Donovan or Horner plus Rafael Devers would
28:08
Speaker 1: be among Major League Baseball's best. Now we're talking Giants, Hello,
28:12
Speaker 1: welcome to the off season. This is definitely something they
28:15
Speaker 1: should be doing, and I think that they probably land
28:19
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan if they're serious. I don't think the Cubs
28:21
Speaker 1: are going to trade Nico Horner, but Donovan would be
28:24
Speaker 1: a great fit out there in San.
28:26
Speaker 2: Francisco and guess where Nico Horner is from is from? Yeah,
28:32
Speaker 2: he went to Stanford.
28:33
Speaker 1: But it's not up to him. I mean, the Cubs
28:34
Speaker 1: are going to ask for a boatload of prospects, and
28:36
Speaker 1: if I'm the Cubs, I do not disrupt that just
28:40
Speaker 1: flow right into the season.
28:42
Speaker 2: I say they are, But if they do, I mean,
28:43
Speaker 2: this would be a nice San Francis is gonna be
28:45
Speaker 2: a nice landing spot for Nico Horner.
28:46
Speaker 1: It would, But the Cardinals want to trade Brendan Donovan.
28:49
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Cubs want to trade Nico Horner.
28:52
Speaker 1: They're just doing their job to listen. So that's why
28:55
Speaker 1: I wore this shirt today to do something. Splashit territory
29:01
Speaker 1: shop dot com.
29:02
Speaker 3: Is this a little No? He worked because they woke up.
29:06
Speaker 3: He worked because they woke up, and there they have
29:08
Speaker 3: a chance to do something. But both those guys would
29:11
Speaker 3: be awesome types of players in San Francisco. Yes, Willie
29:15
Speaker 3: Domas went out and hit his hit, his thirty dingers. Yes,
29:18
Speaker 3: Raffie Devers is gonna hit thirty dingers next year in
29:21
Speaker 3: San Francisco, which is a tough power park. We get that.
29:25
Speaker 3: But two guys in Brandon Donovan and Nico Horner if
29:29
Speaker 3: they could land one of those guys. To me, they
29:32
Speaker 3: go and get value from a guy more than if
29:35
Speaker 3: he were to go play at another you know, one
29:37
Speaker 3: of those guys would go play at another home run
29:39
Speaker 3: friendly park. Like those guys put the ball in play.
29:42
Speaker 3: They know how to hit. It's the hit tool that
29:46
Speaker 3: very got. Very few guys have right now and very
29:48
Speaker 3: few guys know how to use. So to me, I
29:52
Speaker 3: love that if Buster Posey's going after that type of player. Yes, awesome,
29:57
Speaker 3: because you get like I could tell Marte not that
29:58
Speaker 3: he would go from the Diamonbacks Giants, but then it's like, Okay,
30:02
Speaker 3: does his power get squashed a little bit in San
30:06
Speaker 3: Francisco for eighty one games. I tend to think yes,
30:10
Speaker 3: But he's a big doubles guy too. But I would
30:12
Speaker 3: love both of those guys playing at second base for
30:14
Speaker 3: the Giants.
30:15
Speaker 1: It appears the Giants are done on the starting pitching side,
30:18
Speaker 1: so it's Logan Web, Robbie, Ray Tyler, Molly who they signed,
30:20
Speaker 1: Adrian Houser who they signed, and Landon wrote and then
30:24
Speaker 1: whatever lineup wise, they're missing a bat Junghu Lee Willia Domis.
30:31
Speaker 1: I'm just going through the fangraphs one through nine. Devers, Chapman,
30:35
Speaker 1: Ramos had a nice season. Bryce Eldridge, I guess they
30:38
Speaker 1: have put at DH right now, a rookie DH. And
30:42
Speaker 1: then Kasey Schmidt is put in at second base. That
30:45
Speaker 1: could be your utility. Patrick Bailey, who hasn't shown the
30:48
Speaker 1: bat but obviously is an amazing defender. And then they
30:51
Speaker 1: got Louis Montos right now in right field. They're at
30:53
Speaker 1: bat short. That would lengthen the lineup quite a bit.
30:57
Speaker 1: Donovan at second and can float around the blow little bit.
31:01
Speaker 1: So I'm into it. Go get it done. San Francisco.
31:04
Speaker 1: They're asking for a lot, and you're gonna have to
31:06
Speaker 1: give up a lot. All right, Let's lap a couple
31:25
Speaker 1: of things. Number one, congratulations to Bucco Territory are pirate show,
31:30
Speaker 1: which is what a month old? They have a thousand subs.
31:33
Speaker 1: That's a big accomplishment. Once you get to a thousand,
31:35
Speaker 1: you can start playing ball Splash. HiT's got a thousand
31:38
Speaker 1: and two. They started around the same time. You want
31:41
Speaker 1: to see this job opening and see if anyone's interested.
31:44
Speaker 2: I actually want to take this show.
31:45
Speaker 1: I do. How far away is it for Jupiter? Two hours,
31:49
Speaker 1: two hours. Okay, so the yep, I have a minor
31:54
Speaker 1: league manager.
31:56
Speaker 2: It's for the Florida Complex League YEP.
31:59
Speaker 1: And it pays between forty K and eighty K depending
32:04
Speaker 1: on your experience full benefit.
32:07
Speaker 2: I'd probably have to go for the eighty K.
32:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be your agent on that one. No fee,
32:12
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred dollars living stipend, one hundred dollars cell
32:15
Speaker 1: phone stipend in season only in season, and they take
32:17
Speaker 1: the phone back a thousand dollars continuing education stipend. So
32:22
Speaker 1: the whole job opening is posted on teamwork online if you're.
32:27
Speaker 2: Interested, does really hard?
32:29
Speaker 3: Does Aj Prazinski get that job if he applies for it?
32:33
Speaker 3: No chance, no chance you get that job, sorry, Aj?
32:39
Speaker 3: Like not qualified one way, not qualified, not qualified, And
32:45
Speaker 3: some people would say overqualified. Some people would say underqualified.
32:49
Speaker 3: I would just love to be in the room when
32:50
Speaker 3: you have the interview. So can we do like a
32:53
Speaker 3: hidden boss video, like a rolling into the Marlins Complex
32:59
Speaker 3: on the minor league side, Like you're not even you
33:02
Speaker 3: don't even know where the minor league side is. Like
33:04
Speaker 3: you guys come to the big league side and interview
33:07
Speaker 3: me over here.
33:09
Speaker 1: I was interviewed by the Marlins years ago for a
33:11
Speaker 1: broadcaster job, and Derek Jeter was on the call but
33:16
Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to know he was on the call.
33:18
Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. Someone who was with
33:20
Speaker 1: him told me after the fact, like, you don't want
33:24
Speaker 1: to give me a little love and say Hi, just
33:26
Speaker 1: want to listen. So Krats can do that for you
33:29
Speaker 1: if you do a zoom call and just be like, hey, guys,
33:31
Speaker 1: just me here, and Kratz is like, what are they saying?
33:37
Speaker 1: So it's a real thing. Jeter did it.
33:39
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I just I'm just Florida Complex League.
33:44
Speaker 2: I mean I played in the Gulf Coast League back
33:45
Speaker 2: in the day. I played in the Florida Complex that
33:47
Speaker 2: I have experience that they have a really hard time
33:52
Speaker 2: of filling this job a lot of times because Zelle sucks.
33:58
Speaker 2: Oh because it's noon games in the middle of summer
34:00
Speaker 2: in Florida.
34:02
Speaker 1: You want to get into the coaching world in baseball, it's.
34:04
Speaker 2: A good place to stars, but that year is going
34:07
Speaker 2: to suck because you're up at six am and you're
34:09
Speaker 2: having to babysit. Eighteen seventeen eighteen year old kids.
34:14
Speaker 1: No state income tax the cell phone is with you
34:19
Speaker 1: for like five months.
34:21
Speaker 2: Not even because the Florida Complex is only like June
34:23
Speaker 2: and July.
34:25
Speaker 1: No, it's longer than I'm sure you run.
34:26
Speaker 3: I'm sure you run extended too. I'm sure you run extended.
34:30
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're not giving you know.
34:32
Speaker 2: I'm not applying because I never had to go to
34:33
Speaker 2: extended I'm one of my prouder moments of my career
34:36
Speaker 2: is I was a high school draft pick and I
34:38
Speaker 2: did not have to go to extended strid That is,
34:42
Speaker 2: that's a scout's looking at me like, I don't get it.
34:45
Speaker 2: Trust every guy that I think I was drafted with
34:47
Speaker 2: out of high school had to go to extended Speatrie
34:51
Speaker 2: and I, luckily was fortunateough to skip that.
34:53
Speaker 1: Life was tough for a young aj Perzentski. He's not hired.
34:58
Speaker 1: I was about to hire him now actually revoking his
35:02
Speaker 1: manager role, so he's staying on FT. We did all
35:04
Speaker 1: of that.
35:05
Speaker 3: That job. Whoever gets that job, he's gonna sweat like
35:08
Speaker 3: Max Kepler the drum test. I mean, just sweat time
35:12
Speaker 3: all day.
35:14
Speaker 1: Show your hat on the way. I won't say anything,
35:16
Speaker 1: but I.
35:17
Speaker 3: Mean I thought this was a team that had the
35:19
Speaker 3: biggest news today. But maybe I was wrong. Maybe I
35:23
Speaker 3: was wrong. The Damacks