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SPECIAL WEEKEND CRIME STORIES UPDATE: Postal worker/mom gunned down over a Chihuahua and a stimulus check · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a mail delivery woman. A
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Speaker 1: mother is a gunned down by some freak who shoots
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Speaker 1: her in the chest because she stops delivering to his
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Speaker 1: house because of his vicious dog. This young mom, Angela Summers,
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Speaker 1: killed by a single shot to the chest. A couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks before her fatal shooting, she'd reported quote several
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Speaker 1: issues with the suspects vicious dog, and mail delivery was halted.
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Speaker 1: Then this guy, Tony Cushionberry Maze. All he has to
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Speaker 1: say is quote, I didn't mean to kill her. That
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Speaker 1: is total b S technical legal term. It's like Jackie,
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Speaker 1: I take a gun and pointing at you and pull
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Speaker 1: the trigger and go oops. I didn't mean to kill her.
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Speaker 1: I only mean to scare her. N Oh, And I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you why. The black and white letter of the
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Speaker 1: law says, the law assumes you intend the natural consequence
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Speaker 1: of your act. Now here's an example I would always
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Speaker 1: give to juries. Take a piece of fine china, the
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Speaker 1: beautiful china your mom or grandma kept and a big
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Speaker 1: out on display because it's so beautiful. You take that
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Speaker 1: piece of fine china, you can practically see through it.
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Speaker 1: You can see the shadow of your hand and you
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Speaker 1: throw it down to the cement floor and then say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to break it. No, And oh, how
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Speaker 1: dare he say he didn't mean to kill this mom
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Speaker 1: just doing her job delivering the mail. How dare he
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Speaker 1: say that? I am so irritated with him even saying
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Speaker 1: that I didn't mean to kill her. You know what?
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Speaker 1: In the last hours a development in the case of
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Speaker 1: this Indiana man who shoots down a female poster worker
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Speaker 1: dead after she stops delivering mail to his house because
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Speaker 1: of his vicious dog. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and Serious x one eleven that poc technical legal term.
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Speaker 1: Tony Cushionberry May's charged with second degree murder assaulting a
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Speaker 1: federal employee discharging a firearm after he guns down Angela's
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Speaker 1: Summers with a single shot to the chest. But in
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Speaker 1: the last hours he takes a guilty plea. Summer's beloved
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Speaker 1: by everybody at her usps in Wood, Indianapolis Post office.
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Speaker 1: She died in the hospital fighting for her life. Szakie
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Speaker 1: hammerd Crime Online. What's the latest? Tony Cushingberry Mays has
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Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to second degree murder and is now facing
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Speaker 1: life in prison. The twenty three year old admitted to
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Speaker 1: police that he shot Angela Summers after confronting her when
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Speaker 1: she walked past his home without delivering the mail. As
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Speaker 1: you said, Nancy, delivery to his residence had been stopped
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Speaker 1: because of repeated issue with Cushingberry Mayze dog and aggressive chihuahua.
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Speaker 1: When Summers walked past his home, Cushionberry confronted her on
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Speaker 1: a neighbor's porch, repeatedly asking for his mail. As things became,
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Speaker 1: heated Summer's sprayed Cushingberry Mayze with mace, and then he
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Speaker 1: pulled a gun from his waistband and shot the forty
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Speaker 1: five year old mom in the chest. Summers died at
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Speaker 1: the hospital. Now, remember everybody, Three warning letters were sent
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Speaker 1: to his home telling him to contain his wild, vicious dog.
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Speaker 1: But that didn't seem to work, did it. The only
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Speaker 1: thing that would work for him is a bullet. I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox at fifty nine Courtney Crown. Paul Thom's a longtime
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Speaker 1: mail carrier now union rep for the local branch of
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Speaker 1: the National Association of Letter carriers told us about what
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Speaker 1: he called ongoing issues at the house involving a small,
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Speaker 1: vicious dog. Yes, there was a history on this for
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Speaker 1: quite a while. The way I understand that dog letters
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Speaker 1: had been sent. That's a form to the patron when
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Speaker 1: the dog is a nuisance or a danger vicious. The
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Speaker 1: Union rep confirms Summers gave the people living at the
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Speaker 1: home several warnings, which is the formal procedure before the
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Speaker 1: USPS stops mail service. I had no idea. It was
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Speaker 1: just complicated, and I had no idea that there's actually
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Speaker 1: a method, a series of steps you take when the
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Speaker 1: post I guess I'm gonna call it the post person,
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Speaker 1: the postman or postwoman delivers them out and they have problems,
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Speaker 1: constant problems with one particular home. Out to you, Leavi Page,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Crime online dot Com. What were the problems
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Speaker 1: she was having, Angela Summers with this one person, Tony
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Speaker 1: cushing Berry, what's the problem. So, Nancy Angela Summers is
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Speaker 1: a postal worker and there's this one home where there
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Speaker 1: is an aggressive dog there that is very aggressive towards her.
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a pit bull or a Doberman.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about a Chwahwa. I got to tell you something.
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Speaker 1: I go round and round with animal act advocate and
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Speaker 1: lawyer Penny Douglas fur about this because I'm always focusing
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Speaker 1: on pitbulls, rottwa olers, a couple of other types of
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Speaker 1: dogs that are always eating people, and she's constantly sending
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Speaker 1: me studies about which dogs bite them most. Did you
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Speaker 1: know chouahwas are right up there? And I know it
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Speaker 1: may sound silly to a lot of people. When a dog,
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Speaker 1: even a chouahwa, sinks its teeth into your legs, you
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Speaker 1: can't shake them off. This is a lady mail carrier.
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Speaker 1: And from what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, Levi,
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Speaker 1: because you know the facts better than me. But every
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Speaker 1: time she would go there, the dog would try to
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Speaker 1: attack her. It would bart incessantly growl at her, try
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Speaker 1: to bite her. Sometimes the owner, the adults would be
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Speaker 1: in the yard, they just let it happen. Sometimes there
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Speaker 1: would be children in the yard, and they allegedly would
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Speaker 1: not only let it happen, they seem to egg it on, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, provoke it almost What was happening with her, Yes,
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Speaker 1: this dog was barking at her biting at her, nipping
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Speaker 1: at her, and it happened multiple times. The owners of
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Speaker 1: this property got multiple warnings to put their dog up,
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Speaker 1: they refused. It got so bad Nancy that she actually
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Speaker 1: had to take out her mace and sprayed the dog
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Speaker 1: with mace, and the owners got even more angry with her.
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Speaker 1: A woman started yelling at her, calling her the B word.
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Speaker 1: You know this reminds me. Okay, doctor Bethany, do not
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Speaker 1: judge my father. Don't do it, because I'm gonna tell
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Speaker 1: his story. Never told you this story before. You know,
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Speaker 1: my dad, Matt Walter Malcolm Gray Senior, was a yes,
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Speaker 1: she did, and he was just a dream good looking, smart,
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Speaker 1: could dance best, dab anyway. He was a freight agent
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Speaker 1: with Norfolk Southern Railroad and he had to do a
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Speaker 1: lot of different but one of them was he scared
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Speaker 1: me to death when I was a little girl and
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Speaker 1: we would go see him at work. Trains would be
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Speaker 1: going by, and sometimes he stood in between two trains
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Speaker 1: going different ways or same way, very close and he
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Speaker 1: would have their instructions like on a telegraph typed out
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Speaker 1: on the top of a really long pole with a
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Speaker 1: metal catch at the end, and he would stand between
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Speaker 1: the trains and hold the pole up and the trains
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Speaker 1: would be going by, and believe it or not, the
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Speaker 1: engineer would grab the instructions and that would be which
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Speaker 1: track they were supposed to switch to. My dad also
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Speaker 1: would manually switch tracks with these giant levers in the depot.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, There was trouble at an intersection and
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Speaker 1: he went out on foot, went to this intersection where
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Speaker 1: cars cross to feed. You're out well, because if the
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Speaker 1: train bar didn't come down and the red lights did,
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Speaker 1: it can when somebody could get killed. So my dad
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Speaker 1: is out there and the car A car came up
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Speaker 1: while he was out on the track at the intersection
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's wrong. And the car started
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Speaker 1: blowing the horn at him to move, and you know,
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Speaker 1: he's trying to safe people's lives, and then the car
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Speaker 1: started edging up on him. Well, he had that stick
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Speaker 1: and he turned around and he whacked that car like
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times Hancey got the name
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Speaker 1: Mac the Maniac. Believe me. The car turned around and
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Speaker 1: went the other way. But you know how much do
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Speaker 1: you have to push somebody who's just trying to do
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Speaker 1: their job? Are you hearing this, can't they just bring
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Speaker 1: this chihuahua in when the male person comes. Okay, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you are bringing up something so important. I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: brought up your dad because I want to make a
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Speaker 1: similar point. You better Judge and Bethany Marshall both charming
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Speaker 1: and handsome. I met him at your book signing years ago.
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Speaker 1: Such a lovely man. But anyway, so what we need
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Speaker 1: to know about our foote postal workers is that they
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Speaker 1: have become first responders, just like our healthcare workers. They
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Speaker 1: have become first responders without the training that first responders get.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at the literature on training first
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Speaker 1: responders people who go out in the middle of a hurricane,
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Speaker 1: a pandemic, after an earthquake, usually what you see is
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Speaker 1: that normal protocols, the normal protocols no longer hold systems
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Speaker 1: are overwhelmed and they needed to be allowed or freed
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Speaker 1: up to protect their own safety instead of being mired
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Speaker 1: in bureaucracy. First responders get trained to do this. But
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Speaker 1: she's a postal worker and she's on the front lines.
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Speaker 1: She's one of these people that cannot afford just to
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Speaker 1: stay home in the middle of a pandemic. She is
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Speaker 1: supporting herself and her fourteen year old daughter. She's engaged,
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Speaker 1: so she's doing unsung hero's work and this chihuahua comes out.
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Speaker 1: Now people may laugh because they're an angry chihuahua, but
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Speaker 1: chihuahuas can be quite aggressive. Now, remember everybody. Three warning
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Speaker 1: letters were sent to his home, Tony Cushionberry mays, telling
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Speaker 1: him to contain his wild, vicious dog. But that didn't
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Speaker 1: seem to work, did it? Take a Listen to crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac, postal worker Angela
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Speaker 1: Summers and resident Tony Cushionberry have had multiple run ins
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Speaker 1: over an aggressive chihuahua. In fact, in early April, a
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Speaker 1: curtailment of mail letter was sent to the family. According
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Speaker 1: to the National Association of Letter Carriers Branch thirty nine,
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Speaker 1: President Paul Thoms Tom says, when a dog is a
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Speaker 1: nuisance or a danger to the mail handler, residents are
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Speaker 1: informed through three letters. The first is a warning, then
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Speaker 1: a second warning is sent out after that is the
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Speaker 1: curtailment of mail letter. On this day, Cushionberry was waiting
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Speaker 1: for the delivery of his stimulus check. When Summers didn't
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Speaker 1: deliver it, the twenty one year old confronted the postal
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Speaker 1: carrier on a neighbor's porch, repeatedly asking for his mail.
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Speaker 1: As a confrontation escalated, Summers then sprayed him with mace.
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Speaker 1: This woman can't catch a break with Tony Cushingberry mays.
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Speaker 1: He's just twenty one years old and in her mine.
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Speaker 1: She probably thought he was a young guy and he
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking to her that way, confronting her. And
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Speaker 1: it all goes to a stimulus check because of COVID
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Speaker 1: nineteen that he's been waiting on every single day. But
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Speaker 1: we can't blame it on the stimulus check or COVID
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Speaker 1: because this situation had been going on for a long
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Speaker 1: time and then it blows up. Take a less In
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Speaker 1: five to fifty nine, Courtney Crown Summer's Facebook page reveals
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Speaker 1: her concerns over the dog at this house. A post
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Speaker 1: she made details threats from the house. She also states
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Speaker 1: she had a stimulus check for the person living there.
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Speaker 1: In the Union Rep thinks that led to this tragedy.
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Speaker 1: We weren't something like this to never never happen again.
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Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen. Summers did not request a route change,
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Speaker 1: but she would not have been contractually eligible to move
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Speaker 1: because she is a non career carrier, so she was
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Speaker 1: filling in. So there's no way she could have moved
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Speaker 1: routes even if she had wanted to. And again, to
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Speaker 1: go back to my dad, I remember when the railroad
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Speaker 1: at one joint when I was a little girl, they
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Speaker 1: were laying people off and my dad was just so
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Speaker 1: worried he wouldn't have a job, and he took what
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Speaker 1: they called a mobile route, which means one day he'd
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Speaker 1: drive a hundred miles to work in the morning, one
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Speaker 1: day he'd drive forty miles. One day he'd drive all
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Speaker 1: the way to Savannah to work, which is, you know,
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Speaker 1: like a five hour drive one way to keep the job.
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Speaker 1: I can just imagine her. She needs this job, she
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Speaker 1: need the benefits. She's got a fourteen year old daughter
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Speaker 1: to raise, so she put up with this idiot and
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Speaker 1: his dog. Take a listen to a little bit more
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Speaker 1: from Fox fifty nine. Courtney Crown police say they found
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Speaker 1: a woman suffering from a gunshot wound. Police report the
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Speaker 1: mail carrier was then taken to a local hospital. They're
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Speaker 1: spending time talking with those witnesses to try to get
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Speaker 1: an idea exactly what led up to this. Now, the
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Speaker 1: good thing here is police say that the witnesses that
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Speaker 1: they're talking with, and as you guys can imagine, happened
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Speaker 1: around four o'clock in the afternoon. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: were out on their front porches. All of these homes
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Speaker 1: have nice front porches out here. The good thing is
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Speaker 1: those witnesses have been cooperative with police. But because we
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Speaker 1: still have a suspect on the run, we're still looking
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Speaker 1: for more information. I am PD is asking you if
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Speaker 1: you know anything, please call the homicide Department or you
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Speaker 1: can always leave an anonymous tip by calling crime stoppers. Well,
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Speaker 1: she's talking about the good thing out of all this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's digging deep to find a silver lining on this one.
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Speaker 1: So to you climb online dot com invest to get
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Speaker 1: a reporter levi page. What do we think happened? So Nancy,
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Speaker 1: she suspended mail delivery to his home. They owners of
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Speaker 1: that residence refused to sign a waiver that they were
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Speaker 1: going to keep their chihuahua up, so they were angry
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Speaker 1: that they weren't getting mail. And twenty one year old
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Speaker 1: Tony Cushingberry Maze was wanting his stimulus check and when
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Speaker 1: he saw that she had passed by his home and
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Speaker 1: went to the neighbors and was dropping off a package
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Speaker 1: on their front door. He confronted her. He was very aggressive.
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Speaker 1: So Angela Summers, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, back it up
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Speaker 1: for me place. What did you say he saw? What
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Speaker 1: about the neighbor? He actually witnessed her passed by his home.
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Speaker 1: She was dropping off a package on on his neighbor's
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Speaker 1: front doorstep, and that is when he confronted her about
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Speaker 1: wanting her stimulus check. He was let me just write
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Speaker 1: this down real quickly. By they're saying, she Angela Summers,
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Speaker 1: the postal delivery carrier with a fourteen year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: And I'm keeps saying that for a reason, she had
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Speaker 1: passed his house and she was at the neighbor's house.
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Speaker 1: Do I have that correct? Correct? Okay? So he then
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Speaker 1: Tony Cushionberry at May's twenty one years old, goes to
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Speaker 1: the neighbors and confronts her there, yes, and is so
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Speaker 1: aggressive that she has to take out mas and spring
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Speaker 1: it hold on. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, certainly
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Speaker 1: a courtroom veteran. Find at NC Domestic Law dot com.
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Speaker 1: These human relations, that they just get all tangled up
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Speaker 1: and then it goes hey wire over nothing. How hard
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Speaker 1: is it to put your dog inside till after the
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Speaker 1: male person comes. But, Kathleen Murphy, you see where I'm
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Speaker 1: going with this. That he saw her go to the
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Speaker 1: neighbor's house, left his home armed, I assume, and goes
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Speaker 1: over to the neighbor. Why is that a very critical
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Speaker 1: legal point? When he goes over there, he is intentionally
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Speaker 1: chasing her down. He is intentionally confronting her. He is
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Speaker 1: intentionally enraged at her, and he intentionally has a gun
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Speaker 1: with him, which leads to that very clear murder charge.
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Speaker 1: Whether federal or state, he will clearly be charged not
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Speaker 1: with second degree, not with voluntary, not with self defense,
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Speaker 1: but intentional murder. She's right, she read my mind. Because
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Speaker 1: let's just say that Jackie and I get into a
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Speaker 1: big hair fight here in the studio, so chared of
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Speaker 1: her or telling w to cut together to commercial break,
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and I just go crazy and I
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Speaker 1: get my imaginary gun to just shoot her. Sorry, jack
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Speaker 1: You're dead again. The fact that I would have to
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Speaker 1: get up from this desk, get my gun, walk over
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Speaker 1: to her and shoot her under the law is premeditation.
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Speaker 1: It's not like they were having an argument over the dog,
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Speaker 1: even any argument, and then the heat of the moment
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Speaker 1: he pulls the gun and fires. It could arguably be
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Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter in that situation, although the law says, and
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Speaker 1: the time it takes to lift a gun to pull
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Speaker 1: a trigger, you've got time for premeditation. It does not
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Speaker 1: have to be a long drawn out plan such as
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Speaker 1: poisoning someone over a period of weeks or months, or
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Speaker 1: lying in wait and attacking them dressed in black ninja style.
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Speaker 1: It can be just like that time to form intent.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, as Kathleen Murphy North Carolina trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer accurately points out, he pursues her. He leaves his home,
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Speaker 1: walks to the neighbors, and starts up with her. All right,
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Speaker 1: right there, Levipaye, jump back in. What happens then? So
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Speaker 1: she sprays him with mace and he says that he
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Speaker 1: has asthma, and his asthma flared up, and he took
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Speaker 1: out a gun and shot her in the chess. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: his asthma flared up? Okay, go ahead, and Nancy, what
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Speaker 1: is so said? He took off running and what is
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Speaker 1: so said, is she was on this front porch she
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Speaker 1: had been shot in the chest, and people there ran
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Speaker 1: out to check on her and stay with her until
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Speaker 1: the ambulance arrive. And apparently she was still talking to people,
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Speaker 1: talking to emergency workers and police officers when her lung
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Speaker 1: collapsed and the neighbors were worried about her, and as
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Speaker 1: she was being stretched away into the end ulance, she
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Speaker 1: gave them a thumbs up, hoping to survive. But she
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Speaker 1: did not survive. She later died in the hospital. Time
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of you just
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Speaker 1: joining us, we're talking about a forty five year old
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Speaker 1: mom of a fourteen year old girl. That means she
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Speaker 1: had her daughter when she's thirty one, and she's gotten
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Speaker 1: down on her postal route over a dog a chawahwa.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanlan's joining me out of Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: It's often these tiny details that just break my heart,
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Speaker 1: like her giving the thumbs up as they were taking
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Speaker 1: her in the ambulance and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: the lung collasses, she dies. But that moment where she's
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Speaker 1: talking to everybody going I'm gonna be okay, you know,
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Speaker 1: probably telling them to call her daughter, gives the thumbs up.
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Speaker 1: There's just something about that moment that's just so twist
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Speaker 1: your heart, Nancy. It's like the sublime and the vial.
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Speaker 1: The sublime is her giving the thumbs up, her thinking
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Speaker 1: about her daughter, her not knowing that she's going to
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Speaker 1: bleed out and die. And there's the vial. There's this
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Speaker 1: young man who already had a gun in his belt,
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Speaker 1: lying and wait for her. I mean, there's a lightness
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Speaker 1: and then there's the dark. And it's such a world
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Speaker 1: of contrast, Nancy. You know, when we're like in an
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Speaker 1: accident or somebody gets shot or stabbed, I don't. I
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Speaker 1: don't know the medical aspect like Joe Scott Morgan does,
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Speaker 1: but I do know the psychological that the person goes
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Speaker 1: into a shock. She probably did not even completely know
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Speaker 1: what had happened to her. She did not know the
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Speaker 1: severity of her wounds. There's no way for the mind
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Speaker 1: to take in that there's been a catastrophic wound to
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Speaker 1: one's body. I was once in Las Vegas at a convention.
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Speaker 1: Somebody was walking across the street. A car hit him.
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Speaker 1: He rolled over the top laid on the ground for
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Speaker 1: a second, popped up and just kept on walking for
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Speaker 1: three more blocks and then collapsed. He did not know
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Speaker 1: what had happened to him, and so obviously people came
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Speaker 1: to his aid and an ambulance came. But she gave
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Speaker 1: the thumbs up. She wanted to reassure other people that
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Speaker 1: she was okay. She was full of hope even in
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Speaker 1: the face of hate. You know, I'm going to circle
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Speaker 1: back Cloyd Steiger to you and the ridiculous things that
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Speaker 1: can trigger a murder. But I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan Professor Forensics, Jacksonal State University and author J.
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Speaker 1: Scott help me prove this murder case. What can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about the scene? Well, the scene is going
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Speaker 1: to be obviously an outdoor area, and what will need
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Speaker 1: to happen is when they're processing the scene. The first
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Speaker 1: thing they need to do is if this is a
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Speaker 1: semi automatic weapon, which means it ejects the spent casing
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Speaker 1: out to the side. Since they're going to be absent
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Speaker 1: a weapon, potentially in this case, they need to recover
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Speaker 1: that spent casing. Most people that fire weapons in the
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Speaker 1: heat of a moment particularly when it is a crime
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Speaker 1: like this, where pressures are up and everything else. They
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Speaker 1: don't think to go and collect that brass. But that
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Speaker 1: piece of spent brass that's at the scene is going
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Speaker 1: to be a tie back, a specific tie back to
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Speaker 1: that scene and to that weapon. And that's important. You're
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Speaker 1: telling me. Not only will the bullet have identifiable's triation
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Speaker 1: marks on it from a hurling down the back the barrel,
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Speaker 1: but the spent shell casing will also have those markings
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Speaker 1: on it as well. Those are called those are called
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Speaker 1: extractor marks, Nancy, because it's almost if people at home
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Speaker 1: will just imagine it's like a tiny, tiny little metal
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Speaker 1: claw inside of the weapon that grabs that spent casing
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Speaker 1: and ejects at out of the side. And because these
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Speaker 1: casings are typically brass, it leaves very distinctive markings that
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Speaker 1: can be matched back to that weapon. That's why we
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Speaker 1: have That's why when you see us out on scenes
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Speaker 1: and we're down on our hands and in our knees
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Speaker 1: and we're photographing and all that stuff, we have to
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Speaker 1: be very careful because every little tiny element plays a
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Speaker 1: huge part. You know. What's what's interesting is that people
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Speaker 1: know I guess from TV that bullets can match up
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Speaker 1: like a fingerprint to a particular gun, and we know
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Speaker 1: about the data bank. Much like the DNA data bank
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Speaker 1: and the fingerprint data bank APHOS, there's also a fire
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Speaker 1: arms a data bank. A lot of people don't know
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Speaker 1: that a shield casing can also be matched up to
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Speaker 1: a particular weapon. I believe it's harder to do that
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Speaker 1: than it is with the bullet, but it can absolutely
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Speaker 1: be done. I'm just listening to what you're saying. Another
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Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about is this guy claims that he
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Speaker 1: has asthma, and therefore he had to fire his weapon.
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Speaker 1: If you have asthma, seriously have asthma, you're really not
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Speaker 1: even supposed to have a dog. You're not. And that's
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Speaker 1: the deal because I have as I have a dog,
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Speaker 1: a cat, and two guinea pigs. But my asthma's not serious.
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Speaker 1: So if his asthma's so serious, he's got to kill
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Speaker 1: over it. But he has a dog. That's a whole
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Speaker 1: nother line of argument for the prosecution. Guys talking about
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Speaker 1: the death of a mom Angela Summers on her route,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Fox fifty nine Aaron can Shrell,
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Speaker 1: The United States Postal Service confirms Summers was working at
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Speaker 1: the time of the shooting. It just doesn't make sense,
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Speaker 1: you know. Ribbins have been showing up all around this
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Speaker 1: East Side community to honor Summers. In her life, she
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Speaker 1: loved people. She loved her the people on her route.
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Speaker 1: She worried about the older people on her route during
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Speaker 1: this time. She always carried treats and she would, you know,
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Speaker 1: give the dogs treats on her route. Melissa wants people
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Speaker 1: to remember mail carriers are human and says they should
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Speaker 1: be treated with respect. Nobody deserves this, you know, but
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Speaker 1: she definitely didn't deserve this. Did you hear that she
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Speaker 1: would carry treats for dogs on her route and would
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Speaker 1: check on, how's your mother or how's your grandmother? Who's
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Speaker 1: that jumping in? Is that doctor Bethany or Kathleen, Kathleen Japan, Kathleene.
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Speaker 1: I have thank you. I just wanted to let everybody
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Speaker 1: know that I was looking at Angela's Summer's family and
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Speaker 1: I was looking at her gofund to me page and
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Speaker 1: she has that daughter who's fourteen, and we have young
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Speaker 1: teens together, you and I, and it is sad to
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Speaker 1: me that this child will not have a supporting parent,
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Speaker 1: a dual income household, and I just wanted to let
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Speaker 1: everybody know that there is a way to help this family.
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Speaker 1: You know what to you leave my page. I want
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Speaker 1: to get that gofund me exactly what it is, what
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Speaker 1: it says it is. I'm just thinking about the dichotomy
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Speaker 1: of what happened to her to Cloyd Steiker thirty six years,
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Speaker 1: SEATTLEPD twenty two years, homicide and author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer,
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Speaker 1: Gary Jean Grant at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Cloyd, you
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Speaker 1: know you've seen it all. What do you have to
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Speaker 1: make of this shooting down a lady mail deliverer honor
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Speaker 1: job because you won't put your dog away? Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a the naineness of these kinds of murders. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there were several options. He could have put his dog away.
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Speaker 1: He could have put a mail box up by the street,
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Speaker 1: just one of those routes where she has to actually
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Speaker 1: go up and put the mail to the slot. So
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Speaker 1: he could have gone to the post office and got
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Speaker 1: his mail or got a peel box. But he couldn't
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Speaker 1: be bothered with that because he just wanted, you know,
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Speaker 1: you have to act my way. He was in such
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Speaker 1: a rage that he actually, like you said before, when
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Speaker 1: he went over to the neighbor's house, he brought a
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Speaker 1: gun with him, right, what was the attention to that gun?
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Speaker 1: And then his excuse says, well, my ads left player
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Speaker 1: up and the time it takes to get sprayed to
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Speaker 1: pull out a gun and shoot somebody year ASWAD doesn't
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Speaker 1: have time to flare up. That's just a simple excuse.
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Speaker 1: He's just looking for confrontation. He found it. He was mad,
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Speaker 1: he had no impulse control, and a terrible tragedy happened.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys that we're talking about
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Speaker 1: a guy named Tony cushing Berry who allegedly guns down
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Speaker 1: a lady mail deliverer because she wouldn't give him a
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Speaker 1: stimulus check after numerous compliance that his dog would try
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Speaker 1: to attack her. Now, isn't it just tell me what
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Speaker 1: the charges are right now? LEVI? So, Nancy, he is
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Speaker 1: charged with second degree murder. He is charged with assault
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Speaker 1: on a federal employee. You know, here's the deal. I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that a federal employee's life is worth more
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Speaker 1: than anybody else's life, but when you shoot a cop
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Speaker 1: or you shoot the president, or you shoot opposed to worker.
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Speaker 1: You're not just killing somebody, you are attacking a symbol
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Speaker 1: of the United States. That's the deal. And there, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's an enhanced penalty on that. He can get life
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Speaker 1: behind bars. The reality is that we can easily prove
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Speaker 1: he knee she was a federal postal worker because they'd
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Speaker 1: have been having so many arguments about delivering the mail.
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Speaker 1: Was that Kathleen jumping in or beth Bethany jump in?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. I understanding is he had ten weapons a
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Speaker 1: young man in his early twenties. And it's important for
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Speaker 1: the public to know that there are risk factors for violence,
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Speaker 1: and one is owning numerous firearms, a history of violence,
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Speaker 1: substance abuse, impulse control. And this young man, I think
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Speaker 1: was living with his family. And you know, you have
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Speaker 1: a mother to a boy. A very important part of
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Speaker 1: parenting young people, especially men, is to unlink violence from
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Speaker 1: social interaction, because some boys do have greater amounts of aggression.
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Speaker 1: They like to like kick rocks or maybe punch hit
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Speaker 1: and there's so many socializing experiences where the mother teaches
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Speaker 1: the young man to tame the aggression and instead to
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Speaker 1: love and be kind and to be grateful. And I
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Speaker 1: just wonder what was going on in this household that
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Speaker 1: violence overran any sense of human decency. It's like again,
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Speaker 1: like I was talking about an earlier segment, like an
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Speaker 1: animal somebody. Now you're familiar with Sigmund Freud. Doesn't he
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Speaker 1: say that by age four, your personality is set. It's
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Speaker 1: it's over. You know what. Actually it's true. By age three,
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Speaker 1: all of our defenses are coping styles. What we do
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Speaker 1: to respond to stress and anxiety is set by thinking.
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Speaker 1: I'm setting you up, Bethany. I'm setting you up because
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Speaker 1: here's the clint. This guy's twenty one. However, he's not
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Speaker 1: a boy, he's a grown man. It's too late for mommy,
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Speaker 1: for mama to come in and train him. That's over with.
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Speaker 1: According to Freud, I say for you say three, it's done.
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Speaker 1: This is who he is. Don't start dragging the mother, doctor,
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Speaker 1: Bethany is her Faulken. A child's later socialization experiences in
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Speaker 1: the family can at least ameliorate or override certain tendencies
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Speaker 1: like aggression. And I do again, wonder what was happening
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Speaker 1: in that home. I mean, where did he hold these
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Speaker 1: ten firearms. What did his family think? Why did they
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Speaker 1: think he needed those? Take a listen to a tiny
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Speaker 1: bit of what this woman, Angela Summers, went through. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WISH TV eight. This
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Speaker 1: is Sierra Hickneity. Just days before Summers was killed, she
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Speaker 1: took to Facebook to voice some of her concerns she
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Speaker 1: was having along her route. She talks about a house
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Speaker 1: that has an aggressive dog. The people living in the
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Speaker 1: home were upset because their mail had been withhelp because
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Speaker 1: they had not signed and returned the dog warning card
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Speaker 1: that had been delivered, which is standard protocol. In the post,
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Speaker 1: just a couple of days before her death, she says
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Speaker 1: there was a large group of people gathered on a
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Speaker 1: One woman yelled to her, making multiple threats, including one
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Speaker 1: to mace her, physically harm her, and letting a dog
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Speaker 1: loose to attack her. According to the post, the woman
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Speaker 1: demanded that Summers deliver her mail. It's not clear yet
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Speaker 1: if the same home that Summers is referring to in
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Speaker 1: her post is the home on North Denny Street where
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Speaker 1: shots were fired on Monday, threatening to mace her, to
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Speaker 1: attack her, or let the dog loose and bite her
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Speaker 1: if she did not deliver the mail. And this is
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Speaker 1: not just driving by in your car where they the
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Speaker 1: post postman is on the wrong side of the car
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Speaker 1: so that he she can put the letter in your mailbox.
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Speaker 1: As Joe Scott or Leavi Page accurately pointed out, this
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Speaker 1: was a home where you had to walk up the yard,
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Speaker 1: up the steps and put the mail in a box
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Speaker 1: beside the door. Is our understanding. And then all these
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Speaker 1: people corgregated on the porch, yelling at her and threatening her.
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Speaker 1: Of course she didn't go deliver the mail. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to fifty nine Jesse Wells. While doing her job
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Speaker 1: delivering mail in this East Side neighborhood, on Monday, forty
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Speaker 1: five year old Angela Summers was shot in the chest
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Speaker 1: and died at the hospital. It's real hard, of course,
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Speaker 1: It's never happened to us before. Reverend Michael Davis, pastor
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Speaker 1: Unity of Indianapolis, says Angelas served as a board member
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Speaker 1: for the church and remembers her outgoing and outspoken personality.
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Speaker 1: Angela was quick with a laugh. Also she was quick
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Speaker 1: with her opinion. You never you never questioned what Angela
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Speaker 1: was thinking, because she would let you know. And now too,
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Speaker 1: Jesse Wells again Fox fifty nine, What do we know
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Speaker 1: about Cushingberry? The agency confirmed on Wednesday that twenty one
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Speaker 1: year old Tony cushing Berry is accused of the murder.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't stop the tears. It actually brought on some
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Speaker 1: more today, just because because of relief of knowing that
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Speaker 1: this isn't going to have to go on and on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. There there can be some closure.
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Speaker 1: Angela leads behind a teenage daughter and a community trying
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Speaker 1: to make sense of the violence of everything. Her daughter
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Speaker 1: was first, and that's why she worked hard. To have
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Speaker 1: somebody so integral in your community to have their life
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Speaker 1: taken so quickly and so violently. Um, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: take that end. It's hard to understand that. Finally, the
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Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office is reviewing the case because killing a
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Speaker 1: federal employee on duty is a federal offense that could
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Speaker 1: carry a life sentence. A life sentence. Why should this
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Speaker 1: guy get anything but a life sentence. We see it
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Speaker 1: over and over again, how small things in daily living
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Speaker 1: end up in murder. Why couldn't they just showed this
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Speaker 1: woman a tiny bit of kindness. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State. You've been on so many death scenes. They're
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Speaker 1: very rarely some long planned event, meticulously carefully orchestrated. They're
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Speaker 1: more often just like this, Joe Scott. Yeah, they are,
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Speaker 1: and that's you know, the long orchestrated thing is the
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Speaker 1: stuff of Hollywood, Nancy, and I can just say it
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Speaker 1: most people, most of these events are reactionary. In this
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Speaker 1: particular case, we've got an ongoing history with this. But
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Speaker 1: it's not like this guy planned out. You know, he
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Speaker 1: just he showed up with violence in his heart and
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Speaker 1: in his mind, and he wrecked this woman's life and
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Speaker 1: wrecked her child's life. And let me tell you a
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Speaker 1: little bit about what she went through. You know, they
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Speaker 1: talked about how she gave the thumbs up. You know,
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Speaker 1: we're going back then, and you know, when she's been
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Speaker 1: carried away on by the ambulance crew, she took a round.
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Speaker 1: She took this bullet through her lungs, and at the
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Speaker 1: moment that that occurred, she probably doesn't have an awareness
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Speaker 1: of how serious this is. But all the while, and
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Speaker 1: this goes to the horror of this, all the while,
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Speaker 1: her plural cavity, which is the area actually where the
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Speaker 1: lung is seated. There's a space in there. That lung
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Speaker 1: has got a hole in it, and out of that
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Speaker 1: hole is pumping blood and it's filling up in that
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Speaker 1: plural space. And as that plural space gets filled with blood,
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Speaker 1: she is slowly, slowly literally suffocating on her own blood.
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Speaker 1: That means that her lung can no longer expand she
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Speaker 1: can't take air in. And when she does, I would
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Speaker 1: suspect that she was probably spitting up blood at some
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Speaker 1: point in time, and it's almost like she's drowning, drowning
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Speaker 1: for what a stupid dog, a dog, mind you that
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Speaker 1: had this person had been asked to clear this up. No,
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Speaker 1: he lives in the house with mommy. He's got ten weapons.
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Speaker 1: I was looking at a photo oven. He's got enough
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Speaker 1: time to get ink splashed all over his neck with
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Speaker 1: these detailed tattoos, tattoo on his face, you know, and
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Speaker 1: you're waiting on a check. He's just a little prince
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Speaker 1: atney and this woman who's trying to do her job,
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Speaker 1: which is a very hard job, literally drowns death on
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Speaker 1: her own blood. And it's just absolutely horrific. Listen to this.
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Speaker 1: The woman Alana Salazar, who lived next door, says she
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Speaker 1: heard a loud noise followed by a knock on the door.
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Speaker 1: When she opened it, she found Miss Summers on the ports,
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Speaker 1: surrounded by blood, undelivered mail, a can of pepper spray.
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Speaker 1: She tried to confort Miss Summers, who says she was
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Speaker 1: hyperventilating while they waited for paramedics. The reality is she
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Speaker 1: was dying. I just think about this daughter and this
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Speaker 1: mother who kept this route full of problems because based
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Speaker 1: on her position with Postal, she couldn't transfer routes, so
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Speaker 1: she was stuck with it to make a living. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, a development, A guilty play in a case,
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Speaker 1: Jackie Howard, what's the sentence? Well, Nancy, we don't know yet. Again,
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Speaker 1: Cushionberry Mays did plead guilty to second degree murder after
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Speaker 1: killing Angela Summers. He now faces a maximum of life
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Speaker 1: in federal prison. He is scheduled to be sentenced by
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Speaker 1: US District Court Judge Jane Magnus Stenson later this year.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfals Nancy Grace crime story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye that