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Pete Davidson, Hollywood Hypocrite + The Swan Women Speak · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: I have a great interview, which we will get into
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  Speaker 2: in a second. Let's go over some things that have
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  Speaker 2: happened in the world since. I'm going to just straight
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  Speaker 2: up start with something I talked a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: on my Patreon, which you can get at heathermcdonald.net, on
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  Speaker 2: Friday because I saw it right before I recorded, and
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  Speaker 2: it just pissed me off. You may or may have
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  Speaker 2: not seen this because a lot of clips from this
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  Speaker 2: interview have been made. But Pete Davidson, you know him.
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  Speaker 2: He was on SNL. He dated very famous people, most
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  Speaker 2: famous for dating Kim Kardashian between Kanye and now her
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  Speaker 2: new boyfriend. Okay. And he was always all tattooed and
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  Speaker 2: it was very sad because he was a victim from 9-11.
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  Speaker 2: His dad was a beloved firefighter who passed.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what was interesting in hearing that he,
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  Speaker 2: and he was also one of the youngest comedians to
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  Speaker 2: be put on SNL. So, He has a very fun,
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  Speaker 2: particular way about how he talks. He's cute. He's sexy.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently, the word on the street is, he has
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  Speaker 2: a big old D. And a lot of girls want
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  Speaker 2: to be like, what's up with that big old D?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, he since has started to get his tattoos removed.
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  Speaker 2: He also became a father, but he is no longer
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  Speaker 2: with the mother.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't know. That's fine. As long
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  Speaker 2: as he's being a dedicated dad. Anyway, he did an interview.
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  Speaker 3: And....
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  Speaker 2: He, the clip of it, now listen, I didn't watch
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing, but the clip of it has really
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  Speaker 2: pissed off a lot of people, including myself. And they
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  Speaker 2: knew what to clip, let me tell you. Because also
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  Speaker 2: the angle of him, I guess he always had those
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  Speaker 2: big giant chompers. I don't know if they're veneers. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what. He's still a good looking guy. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He's still, I can see why girls like him, tattoos
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  Speaker 2: or not. Okay. But he goes crazy. He's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: what's with these girls my age just talking to themselves
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  Speaker 2: in front of the camera, you know, like doing a
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  Speaker 2: little dance? Oh, get ready with me. Oh, and they
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  Speaker 2: just do a little dance. What the fuck is going on?
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  Speaker 2: The way he says fuck, he's like, what the fuck
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  Speaker 2: is that? What the fuck is happening here? And these
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  Speaker 2: girls are making $ 40 million a year. Like, what is
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  Speaker 2: happening in the world? This is the first time I
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  Speaker 2: felt old. This has infuriated me on so many levels.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck is your problem, Pete Davidson? Honestly, why
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  Speaker 2: are you such a jealous prick? What is your problem
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  Speaker 2: with girls being successful in the privacy of their own home,
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  Speaker 2: being safe? They don't have a team behind them. In
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  Speaker 2: order to be a successful influencer, you have to do
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  Speaker 2: it all yourself. No one has William Morris behind you.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's got a PR team behind you. No one's setting
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  Speaker 2: you up with this and that. You're not showing up
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  Speaker 2: on a shoot and dancing around when someone does your hair, okay?
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  Speaker 2: The influencing world, which I have said over and over,
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  Speaker 2: should be thanks to Kim Kardashian, okay? And the Kardashians,
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  Speaker 2: they were one of the first people that made tweeting
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  Speaker 2: and things where they could be paid to do it
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  Speaker 2: because they had so many followers, okay? That's who you
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  Speaker 2: ended up dating and tattooed her children and Kanye's children
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  Speaker 2: onto your body while they were still, I think, legally
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  Speaker 2: married to taunt Kanye. So you're a who are you?
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  Speaker 2: You stand up on stage, as do I, and give
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  Speaker 2: your opinion and people pay to see it. So why
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  Speaker 2: should you be making money for that? Who the fuck
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  Speaker 2: are you, Pete Davidson? Who the fuck are you? So
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  Speaker 2: And why are you mad at a business that in
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  Speaker 2: 2026 realizes that their advertising dollars are better spent having
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  Speaker 2: authentic people talk to people that are similar to them
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  Speaker 2: to say, hey girls, I really love this mascara. This
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  Speaker 2: is why I love it. And they would rather put
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  Speaker 2: their advertising dollars into that person and work that way
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  Speaker 2: than a big advertising firm and a big commercial so
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  Speaker 2: that what? So a model can come in and make
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  Speaker 2: a one lump sum for that day and never see
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  Speaker 2: another dollar from it or maybe a tiny residual check. No,
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  Speaker 2: this is a great model that is working for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people, for the businesses, for the women doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And it just felt so misogynistic and so angry. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to the 49ers today. Why the fuck is
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  Speaker 2: a guy throwing a football making millions of dollars? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: who cares about that? Or just running around in your
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  Speaker 2: tight pants? I mean, why are they getting paid? A
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  Speaker 2: teacher should be paid as much. Like, it's just such
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  Speaker 2: a stupid thing. Like, this is our world, and it
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  Speaker 2: is great if someone can be successful at it without
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  Speaker 2: hurting anyone, without trafficking people, without being a complete, disgusting,
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  Speaker 2: fraudulent person. And I'm sure it was a throwaway line.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's trying to be funny. Oh, TikTok dancing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's shocking being in front of a camera. What about
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  Speaker 2: all the dumb projects you did that you got paid
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  Speaker 2: to be in, that you didn't even believe in, that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't write, that you didn't produce, but you were
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  Speaker 2: the dancing clown to be in it? Does that make
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  Speaker 2: you a better person than the person that's writing their
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  Speaker 2: own script, doing their own thing, letting people know that
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  Speaker 2: they really like this product or... You know, knowing that
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  Speaker 2: they're getting paid thousands of dollars to convey what is
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  Speaker 2: great about the product. I mean, that is why influencing
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  Speaker 2: is now a major in school because it's a broader
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  Speaker 2: way to move and sell products and make brands. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just three channels on TV anymore. It's not just
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  Speaker 2: a handful of people that can be successful. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of us can be successful. And that's really wonderful. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not just the people on SNL that got hired
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  Speaker 2: at 21, okay? And it's not just the people that
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  Speaker 2: get to clout chase and date hot girls and get
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  Speaker 2: put in magazines and whatnot so that we still know
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  Speaker 2: their name. Now, I think you, Pete Davidson, knows that
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  Speaker 2: your time is fucking up. You're getting jealous. You know
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  Speaker 2: you have a big D. You probably will have to
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  Speaker 2: do OnlyFans like you're talking about it. And if you do,
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  Speaker 2: I will applaud you. Use what God gave you. Make
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  Speaker 2: your money while you can make it. Make it easily.
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  Speaker 2: Make it quick so you can spend more time with
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  Speaker 2: your child. And that's what a lot of women do
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  Speaker 2: and why they go this route. Because they're mothers and
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  Speaker 2: they want to be at home and safe and they
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  Speaker 2: love makeup and they love clothes and they have great
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  Speaker 2: style and they're finding a way to get paid for it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Whew. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Let me shake that off a minute. Okay. Also, I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about my thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: Real Housewives. I was thinking about this the other day.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about it. Some of you have
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  Speaker 2: dropped off and not watched. Listen, it's a comforting show.
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  Speaker 2: I love the women. I will watch it. However, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to make a little prediction. I think I said
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  Speaker 2: earlier on in my last episode, how will they get
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  Speaker 2: three episodes out of this? The reunion normally has three episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes certain shows only have two. If it's a newer show,
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  Speaker 2: they have one. Sometimes they wait until the second season
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  Speaker 2: to have it. I can't believe that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: sit through three episodes of how Vicki said to Carmela
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  Speaker 2: she didn't have enough things in her home and therefore
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  Speaker 2: knows that she's living in this rented home. to appear
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  Speaker 2: that she lives in the OC, thus securing her part
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  Speaker 2: as a real housewife OC. We all know it. Who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Who cares? They were looking for somebody. She seems perfectly fine. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's trying to make her mark. And Vicki's
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  Speaker 2: just like, I don't see what's happening. Where's the TV?
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  Speaker 2: Where's the TV remote? What's happening here?
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  Speaker 4: My work!
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  Speaker 2: Um, she's miserable. She just had another like knee surgery done.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've been fortunate, fortunate enough not to have something
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  Speaker 2: like that, but I know it's very painful and it
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  Speaker 2: would bum me out too if I had to wear
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  Speaker 2: heels while my knee is physically killing me.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Who wants to go out when you're not feeling cute
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  Speaker 2: and all of that. However, something kind of funny about
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  Speaker 2: her being called Debbie Downer. So I saw that Alexis
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  Speaker 2: Bellino had posted something about her husband, John Jansen, yes,
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  Speaker 2: former boyfriend of Shannon Bedore, that he has been having
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  Speaker 2: knee trouble for years and they're trying all these different
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  Speaker 2: things and hopefully it'll work. And it was just kind
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  Speaker 2: of an informational thing about what medical peptides or whatever
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  Speaker 2: they're using or I don't know. And then the first
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  Speaker 2: comment was Vicky and it was like, Good luck to you.
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  Speaker 2: I've tried all those things. Nothing works. You still have
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  Speaker 2: to get surgery. So just go get it. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that is the epitome of a Debbie Downer, Vicki. I
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  Speaker 2: hope John's knees get better. I hope Vicki's knees get better.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that is a pain in the ass or
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  Speaker 2: a pain in the knee. But this is what I think.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk. There actually was an article
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  Speaker 2: written where it was something to the effect that Vicky
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  Speaker 2: has already decided not to come back to season 21. Vicky,
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  Speaker 2: fresh from her surgery, then responded to that in a
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  Speaker 2: pretty funny video that she put together that, or probably
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  Speaker 2: Christian did, which is fine. He's funny too. That's her co-host, Christian. Anyway, he,
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  Speaker 2: on her podcast. But it was like, well, that's news
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  Speaker 2: to me, you know? So I don't think anything's decisions
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  Speaker 2: have been made about what will happen in season 21
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  Speaker 2: of OC. But this is my prediction. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to get three episodes out of it, I think what
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  Speaker 2: would be really interesting is to go about it and
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  Speaker 2: kind of ask, when I have housewives on my show,
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  Speaker 2: one of the things I always ask is like, what
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  Speaker 2: was the best thing about becoming a housewife and being famous?
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  Speaker 2: And what was the worst? When was the moment, when did,
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  Speaker 2: was there a moment on the street or something where
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  Speaker 2: someone come up to you and you kind of realized, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be my new life. This is
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  Speaker 2: what's great about it. This meant so much to me.
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  Speaker 2: This person wrote me and said, sharing my story impacted
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  Speaker 2: their life in such a positive way, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: Or this was the most mean negative thing that like
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  Speaker 2: put me in a hole for three days. I think
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  Speaker 2: that shit's really interesting. So I think what Andy should
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  Speaker 2: do is, because whether the show comes back with all
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  Speaker 2: the same girls or half new, half old, all new,
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  Speaker 2: taking a definite break like they did with Miami. Because
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like, where do we go from here?
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  Speaker 2: Since nothing really happened big, you know, there's not, they're trying.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the last episode I mentioned that Tamara's business, Hervina,
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  Speaker 2: which is a CBD type of, or THC type of brand,
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  Speaker 2: seems to do very, very well. She was very smart.
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  Speaker 2: She did what Patrick and I said, have a big
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  Speaker 2: party where you're going to promote your thing where they
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  Speaker 2: can't not share your promotions. And she had it everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: She has a new canned drink. which I think is
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  Speaker 2: a great idea for a product. I think that could
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  Speaker 2: live on well beyond the show, so good for her.
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  Speaker 2: And she invited all the old housewives. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that was production's ideas or hers, but it was
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  Speaker 2: pretty smart. And if she has remained friendly with all
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  Speaker 2: of them, that is cool too. So we had Quinn,
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  Speaker 2: if you guys remember Quinn. Quinn was a one-hit wonder,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a wonder because she really didn't fit
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  Speaker 2: in And she didn't fit in at the party either,
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  Speaker 2: but she seems like a nice woman and she did
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  Speaker 2: show up. We had Tammy Knickerbocker, who had a very
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  Speaker 2: sad story and had just, you know, she was divorced.
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  Speaker 2: She had a young kid who's now 24. He was four.
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  Speaker 2: That's how long ago she was on the show. So
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  Speaker 2: they talk a little bit about that. We have Lynn,
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  Speaker 2: the cuff curtain. She makes cuff still. And Heather Dubois
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  Speaker 2: was asking about her. So that was kind of fun.
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  Speaker 2: For the people that have been watching the show as
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  Speaker 2: long as I have, I thought it was kind of fun.
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  Speaker 2: And then Alexis, who truly is close to Tamara, shows
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  Speaker 2: up with John Jansen. So that adds to some drama.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God they came. Otherwise, there really has been nothing
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  Speaker 2: that's happened in this show that's worth three episodes of
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  Speaker 2: reunion about. So what I think is they should have
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  Speaker 2: something that if it doesn't come back, and not that
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  Speaker 2: I don't want it to come back, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: come back, there is sort of a finale to it.
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  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be surprised if this happens in that
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  Speaker 2: they kind of go through each episode girl because we
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  Speaker 2: still see many of us as like Emily and Gina
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  Speaker 2: as like the new girl. They're not new. I think
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  Speaker 2: this is their seventh or eighth season doing it. That's
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  Speaker 2: a significant amount of time. Gina has been through abuse,
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  Speaker 2: a divorce, reconciliation with her ex in a co-parenting way,
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  Speaker 2: a new career, a DUI, sobriety, better hair extensions, most importantly,
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  Speaker 2: an engagement, dealing with her fiance's ex-wife. managing six kids
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  Speaker 2: in one home. Like, it might be the most interesting
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  Speaker 2: moment that is there if we kind of like go through,
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  Speaker 2: just like they were kind of doing on the Ultimate
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  Speaker 2: Girls trip, kind of like recapping what these women have
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  Speaker 2: shared with us and be grateful for what they've shared
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  Speaker 2: with us. And again, I just, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: so bad for Emily's son and that this is such
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  Speaker 2: a big part of her story, which is it's her story,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just like every time she wants to go
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  Speaker 2: to a party, she goes to her mother-in-law's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Persian party and, you know, Luke's texting her the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, God, I hate that Luke is always
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  Speaker 2: being accused of ruining her good time, you know? So
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  Speaker 2: that's her situation. And Shannon, there's just not a lot happening,
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  Speaker 2: which is fine too, you know? Like that is her
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  Speaker 2: life and she doesn't have to make up some weird
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  Speaker 2: story to still be compelling to watch. So I will
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  Speaker 2: give them all that. But I think that would be
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  Speaker 2: really interesting, since not a lot happened in the season,
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  Speaker 2: is to do more of a reunion of your time
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  Speaker 2: on the show. What did you love about it? What
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  Speaker 2: was the hardest part of the seasons? And where would
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  Speaker 2: you want to go forward? And who in this group
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  Speaker 2: do you see you continuing a relationship on it? And
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  Speaker 2: maybe that way, if it is the finale finale, then
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  Speaker 2: we really would have something that You know when like
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  Speaker 2: big scripted shows get canceled or they end and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: we never had that finale episode. We never had that moment.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't tell us. We thought we were coming back.
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  Speaker 2: And the actors and the fans and the crew and
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  Speaker 2: the writers always felt like they were somehow gypped of
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  Speaker 2: that moment versus like a Seinfeld or a Friends where
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  Speaker 2: you know it's coming and this is the final episode
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  Speaker 2: and we can all like say goodbye and mourn this
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  Speaker 2: period of our lives together. And there's like a nice
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  Speaker 2: button to it. I just hope that in the chance
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  Speaker 2: that Real Housewives of OC doesn't come back in the
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  Speaker 2: same type of capacity, I think that's what they should do.
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of predict they might. Okay. Other weird
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  Speaker 2: kind of crime. It's not crime news, but Um, Gypsy Rose,
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  Speaker 2: you know, famous, the D is on fire. That girl who,
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  Speaker 2: you know, had a horrible childhood. She was a victim
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  Speaker 2: of Munchausen's by proxy. She, um, had a boyfriend who then, uh,
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  Speaker 2: she coerced into killing her mother. She went to prison.
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  Speaker 2: She had several boyfriends. She's come out. She had a
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  Speaker 2: reality show. She came out marrying a man that looked
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: just like her mother and they filmed the reality show.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: That's where she said his D was on fire. They
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: broke up. So then she gets with her other boyfriend
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: that she met after she divorces her husband and they
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  Speaker 2: get pregnant. They are parents to a beautiful young girl.
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  Speaker 2: They never got married. They were like kind of off
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  Speaker 2: and on and she got some good plastic surgery. She
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  Speaker 2: loves being in the limelight. It is how she makes
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  Speaker 2: her money is being a public figure. The reality show
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  Speaker 2: has ended. But I see her doing collabs with like
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  Speaker 2: OnlyFans people and having like fake TMZ shoots or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: wearing a wig. Listen, you know, the girl's got to
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  Speaker 2: do what she's got to do. So then some sad
• 17:52
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  Speaker 2: baby daddy, fiance, ex-fiance, that he had passed. And weirdly,
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  Speaker 2: there to take him out for his birthday. Because Gypsy
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  Speaker 2: and he were in a bad place. Apparently he had
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  Speaker 2: either threatened or had filed to get sole custody of
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  Speaker 2: the girl, of the little daughter. So they were not
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  Speaker 2: getting along. Also prior to his death, these jailhouse calls
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  Speaker 2: between them from back when she was in prison had
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: somehow they got access to them. And they both come
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: off horrible, horrible. There's racist things, even about her own
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: sister's husband. It was really bad. Now we know how
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in this world and these people are popular public figures
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: in that section of fans that are kind of obsessed
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: with Gypsy. So I don't know if he was getting
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of awful things going on, but it was
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: his birthday. He did have plans. They were coming to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: get him. His sister then went on live. to share
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: how she discovered that he is no longer with us.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: So the news kind of went crazy right away. Gypsy
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: did make a statement to TMZ right away. And of course,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of comments of where was Gypsy,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: being that she you know, already did time for murder
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: for her mother. They were wondering what is happening here.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And from what I can tell, it doesn't appear like
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: there's any foul play. Very, you know, very sad. This
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: man was a father. You know, there's a little girl
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: now that no longer has a dad. But that was
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: just a crazy story, a sad, crazy story that I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: knew that you guys would want to hear a little
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: bit about.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if you've seen the show The Swan.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: The Hulu doc is available right now. I interviewed some
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: of the girls who were contestants, two of the girls
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: that was a contestant from season one and one from
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: season two. I watched The Swan. I was fascinated by it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: To remind you, It was where girls would go and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: get all this plastic surgery, leave their family for three months,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and then come out and have their first reveal with
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: all the hair and makeup and a dress. And it
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: was just a very iconic moment in reality TV. And
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: in this day and age, in 2026, there's a lot
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: of things that just would never fly today that is
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: quite horrifying.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Dr.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Dubrow, Terry Dubrow, was one of the plastic surgeons working
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: on the show, and we get into that and why
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: he may or may not have wanted to participate. I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: talked to the director. At this time, it was before
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I could watch the episode, so I am asking questions
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: as someone who watched the original show as just a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: viewer and didn't know all the backstory, which is shared
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: in the very interesting documentary. I think you're going to
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: really enjoy it. Whether you remember the show or you
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: saw the doc or not, this is an interesting one
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of what happens when you enter a contest to be
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: on a reality show, to get a ton of free
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: plastic surgery, to look like the typical epitome of beauty
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: in 2004 to 2006, that era of Paris Hilton and
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: being skinny and wearing the low-rise jeans and, you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: that whole style and how important it was to look
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a certain way and what they would consider heavy, which
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: would not be considered heavy today, and how they got
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: them to look the most perfect they could in just
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: this short period of time of healing from massive surgery
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and multiple surgeries, multiple surgeries, and where the women are
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: 20 years later after having the experience. And it's really
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: quite interesting how they kept in touch, what sticked, what didn't,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: what was good, what wasn't, and why they thought this
• 22:09
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• 22:11
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  Speaker 2: am about the documentary that we wondered more than any
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  Speaker 2: The very exciting, controversial, especially controversial looking back now, but
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  Speaker 2: the series The Swan in which women would volunteer themselves
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  Speaker 2: to go from, I mean, this is such an awful thing,
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  Speaker 2: an ugly duckling, to a swan with the help of diet,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: cosmetic dentistry, plastic surgery, hair, makeup, fitness, diet, and therapy.
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  Speaker 2: And I am here with the director and two of
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  Speaker 2: the swans. Welcome all of you guys to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start with you, Erin.
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  Speaker 3: You're the director.
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  Speaker 2: How did this project come about, first of all?
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  Speaker 4: I was a teenager when the show came out and
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  Speaker 4: I sneaked an episode thinking that uh, that it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: going to be something, Ooh, I couldn't watch it. It
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: was like, people were talking about it. And here were
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: these women who I thought looked completely like normal to me.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Like I was like, no, if that's the people they're
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: picking for the show, like, what does it mean for me?
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But then this like very big, huge, um, sort of
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: wild thing of like, we want to try to see
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: if plastic surgery can change someone from the inside out.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And so as somebody who makes things and makes films
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: about the empowerment of women, when Hulu approached me and said,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: we're going to be making this doc about the reality
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: show from 2004, The Swan, I.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Was like, yes, nope, I've got it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Don't go any farther, please, please. And then I started
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: getting on conversations with Carrie and Christy and a And
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: the stories just started to flow. You think you know
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: what happened because of the show, but it's so not true.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: And through the course of the documentaries, all the tea
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: is spilled.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Well, let's start with, well, I've got Carrie and Christy here.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: You guys both look gorgeous still today. And why don't
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: we start with you, Carrie? We'll start with you, Carrie,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit. How did you decide to possibly go
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: on this show? And what season were you? And just
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: give us a little background.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was on season two when season one
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: was airing, my sister Gina. Um, she called me while
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: she was watching an episode and said, they're casting for
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: season two. Um, I think this is something that I
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: really want to look into. And then she went onto
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Craigslist cause that's how it was back then. Um, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: they were looking for sisters. So she called me immediately
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: and she said, I'm on my way over. I have
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: my video camera. Like you don't have a choice. We
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: are auditioning and we are doing this together. And honestly,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I was like.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, like, you know, Why not?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Where did you and your sister live? We lived in
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Orange County in California. So we were not far from LA.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're no stranger to plastic surgery living there?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: And was it just something that you were like, this
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: is a way to get all these things done for free?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Or what was your motivation to try out for the show?
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I had one motivation and that was breast reduction. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: was 23 when we submitted our audition video. I had
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: already been to my doctor asking for reduction and every
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: insurance company says, you're too young. You haven't even had
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: kids yet. Like we can't cover this. But I was
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: huge and it was painful. And for me, when my
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: sister said that, that was my ticket for reduction. I
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: didn't think about a single other surgery. That's the first
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: thing that I wanted.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, before we hear about your experience, once you've gone
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: on the show, let's go to Christy Garza and tell
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: me a little bit of how you decided to go
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: I was getting ready to complete my contract, active duty
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: contract in the United States Army.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And so I was looking for, you know, a path.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: What am I going to do?
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I was watching the TV one morning and it was
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: KTLA and they advertised.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: For a life makeover. And I was like, oh, a
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: life makeover. And then, of course, they mentioned the life
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: coach and the career coach and, you know, the fitness
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: trainer and plastic surgery.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Because unlike Carrie, I had one child and my poor
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: titties just didn't make it. And yes, I was.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: 22 years old and looked like I had cow teats,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: like I could be milk to feed a village. But anyway,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: so I was like, ooh, teeth and titties. Yeah, I
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: need that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: And also the other stuff is cool, too. I grew
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: up as a tomboy, and so I never really felt cute.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: I always just, I mean, I always felt like, you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: one of the guys or whatever. And I wanted to
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: feel pretty. I was like, make me pretty.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I want to do that. That sounds cool.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So when you get word that you are going to
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: go on this show, take us a little bit through, like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: how beginning to end, how long... you're doing it for?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Are you, I assume, the way I recall, you're kind
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: of like in housing there throughout all the process of
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: all the surgery. And you cannot, the other thing I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: always remember is that there were no mirrors, right? So
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you had, they didn't want you to see yourself until
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you walked out of those doors with the panel and
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the doctors and the other contestants who were also vying
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: for the best swan.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Can you explain? Season one and season two, those are
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: two different answers, I guess. So do you want to hear,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: which one do you want to hear first?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Christy, why don't you tell us your story?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, so.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: We were there about three months from my recollection. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: we did not know about the NoMirror thing until we
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: were already there, signed in, locked in. And that was
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: very surprising. Those three months of being sequestered was insane.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I know that it was supposed to, it was, they
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: spun it as if, you know, this is going to
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: be great. You can focus on your internal transformation. That
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: was not my experience. I couldn't have been anything further
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: from what my experience was.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: It was wild.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: It was wild. And the surprises just kept coming. We
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: just kept getting all the surprises.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: What were some of the things that was, what were
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: some of the surprises?
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, Christy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: It was surprising with the mirror thing. And then, you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: much later down the road, we were surprised with the
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: pageant thing. And it was also surprising that we were
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: going to be on this processed food Jenny Craig diet.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think that was a good call there. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: that's coming from somebody who had been living the past
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: five years of their life eating MREs and eating in
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: a shower.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I think that it just was like, so much of
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: it was unclear to the participants that had signed up.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: And I think audiences from 2026 and audiences from 2004
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: were like, well, why would they sign up?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And it's like, they didn't know about the pageant. They
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: didn't know about the food. They didn't know that they'd
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Work out so much after surgery, so much of it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: And then ultimately that they would be competing against each other.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: And then, and Carrie can speak to this, And then
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: so so some of that was known in season two,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: but then it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Just got wilder and weirder.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: And the humanity sort of like left the building, so
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: to speak.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I ended up feeling like cattle.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: I felt like I was just a pawn in somebody's game,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: like it was for money or clout.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And none of that was going to me. I was
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: there for somebody else's benefit.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: When you were doing it, Christy, you said you had
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: a young child. Were you able to be with your
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: child or did you have to have someone take care
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: of the child the whole time or what?
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: No, you have to leave everything. You have to leave
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: your family. You only get like one or two phone
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: calls a week, if that, and then you're not guaranteed that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: My daughter was very.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Young at the time. I think she was, let's see, 2004.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: She was three years old.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: And so she went to be with my then husband's mother.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: And yeah, we had to leave our friend's family and
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: most of our pride behind to go do this.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: And, and then Carrie, why don't you tell us a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: little bit about, so you and your sister go, you're
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: season two. Do you get to share?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Huh? Yeah. So my sister didn't know I was there.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't know my sister was there. We
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: auditioned together. They basically pulled in my driveway and said,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: guess what, Carrie, you're going to be a swan. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: then they said, And then they made me tell my
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: sister on camera that she wasn't. They decided to choose
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: only one of us. So right then and there for me,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: this is not what I signed up for. I didn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: even want to do it without her, but she made
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: me promise that I would. So I go away and
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: after I leave, they tell her, guess what, Gina, you're
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: going to be there too, but it's a secret. Don't
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: tell your sister. And then they proceed to threaten her
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: with multiple lawsuits if she told me.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: So, yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's really interesting.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: To say the least. I had somebody recently that went
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: on the Bachelor-type franchise, okay? And I just couldn't believe
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: how freaked out they made her feel. Um, after she left,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the bachelor, how it works. Um, like you better,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: if you say one word, if you, it's going to
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: be $ 25, 000 per thing that you say and do. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: it was like this, and she was, you know, not
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: part of the entertainment business and she was so stressed out.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And I was trying to tell her, I go like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: first of all, don't worry, because she was, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: sharing some stuff with me. And I go, but also, like,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I've interviewed people. And, you know, in this franchise for
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: 11 years, and no one's ever been sued. So but
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: it's like the the scariness of it of like being
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: thrown into this room where then the attorney comes in
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and just like, that is what I think is just
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: so bizarre.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: And interestingly, we actually have so the trainer from season two, Debbie,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: was a like a very big contestant on the Golden Bachelor.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: She made it all the way to the very end.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: And so the swan and the bachelor are in are
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: sort of linked in these interesting ways.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: That is true. So, Carrie, so you get there and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: let's tell me a little bit about your journey and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: what you had done and stuff.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So I had breast reduction. I had a brow lift,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: liposuction from head to toe. They did something to my eyes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: They're shaped differently. I don't even know the extent of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: every single thing I had done, but it was a lot.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, teeth.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: But the whole time I was there, for me and
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: my story, they just basically treated me like What's it
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: like to know that you're going to be beautiful and
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: your sister's not? And they used her kind of against
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: me in this weird way. Yeah. Yeah, it was awful.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I think they just wanted to see if they could
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: break our bond and break our family. And they can't.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: And they didn't. And we're stronger than ever.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So after the months... May, you know, did every girl
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: have hair extensions? I mean, sometimes it was a little like,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you know, Miss Piggy walking out with this big frickin wig,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and I was just always like, God, does everyone?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And then I always wondered, like, what happens when you
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: leave and you can't afford to keep up with the
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: hair extensions and the hair color and everything?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: What did they do to your hair? I definitely had extensions.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: And the week that I went home, I took them
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: out because I knew it was not something I could
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: keep up with. you know, go home, wash all the
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: makeup off, take the fake hair off. And then all
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of a sudden you kind of recognize yourself again. Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: And I think that one of the things that was
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: interesting was that certain contestants felt like They were styled
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: in certain ways to suggest if they were winning or losing.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I think that you could very clearly see the people
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: like in episode one, Rachel Love Frazier, who would go
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: on to win this one. how she looked in her
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: evening gown. And then you had other people like Kathy Weber,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: who was asked to, you know, to, you know, who
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: not was asked who is wearing a motorcycle jacket.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: And so there were these different levels. And then I want,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I want Christy to talk about her bangs because they
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: gave my girl some messed up bangs and we think
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: it was sabotage. Go ahead, Christy.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Seen better. I, seen better-looking women at Bubba Dale and
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Billy Bob's beauty review down at the used car lot.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I was just like, what fresh hell is this? Like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I grew up with bad bangs. You know, I have
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: an IMAX forehead, so my mom was always like, oh,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: we're going to camouflage this. You know, and so I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: was like, what? what am I looking at? This is
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: a train wreck. And, and the extent.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: You have to see it. Like she comes out and
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Christy is a crowd favorite of the entire season. She's
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: former army. She's a spitfire. Then now like a total badass.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: And then she like comes out and everyone's like, why
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: did you, what did you, what is going on with
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: her bangs? And like, it legitimately didn't make sense.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Right. Christy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Like, How did you feel when they were putting the
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: bangs on you?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: It made zero sense, but I had no clue.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: But I do know that I sat in that damn
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: chair for like eight hours or nine hours getting those extensions.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: And I was like, these are really long. Like, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: they were very heavy and it just destroyed my hair
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: for years after that. But, you know, and another thing
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: about the whole reveal is, They put me in a
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: long sleeve dress.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Like I looked like I was going to a Baptist
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: pot look.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I'm like, this is supposed
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: to be my big reveal. And I was just like, what?
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Why would you give me this long sleeve Tadashi gown?
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: You know, they kept saying it's a Tadashi gown. I'm like, OK, great.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: But how many times did you have to do the reveal?
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, gosh, that day was torturous. It was a nightmare.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: I think I sat in that mansion that they had
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: rented for like 14 hours. It was sweltering hot in
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: there and I was like dripping sweat and, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: like airing out my pits. And they would come in
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: there and just put more makeup on my face. And
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I was hungry. I was thirsty. They're like, okay,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: it's going to be soon. It's going to be soon.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: I don't remember how many times they had me do
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: the reveal, but I do remember she would come in
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: there and.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Be like, hey, I need a big reaction. It has
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: to be big.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: You know, I need tears and I need you to
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: act like, you know, it's Christmas morning and And all
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: of this. So I don't know if you've seen the
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: original show, Heather, but when you watch it, you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: if anybody that can read body language, you can see
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: my eyes are trying to be happy, but I cover
• 41:44
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• 41:48
  Speaker 5: intelligence background and interrogations and military police, all of these things.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: And so I can read people's body language. And when
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: I go back and watch myself, I'm like, oh, I
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: was horrified.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I was horrified. I look like a beep. a B
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: actor in a low budget movie. You know, it's like, what,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: what the hell am I looking at?
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  Speaker 3: This is... So what was everything you had done, Kristen? Oh,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: much like Carrie, I honestly, I don't even know everything.
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  Speaker 3: I had to see it when I watched the show,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: which I've only watched one time, and that was when
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: it aired because I was disgusted. I was mortified. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: had a brow lift, liposuction, breast augmentation, rhinoplasty, laser skin resurfacing,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: and then... Whatever else they talk about on the show.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Honestly, I didn't give a damn about it. I am
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: super happy with the plastic surgery. Still am to this day.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I call these my season ones.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: And I love them. I still love them.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: The teeth have been a total pain in my ass.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: And I'm actually missing a lot of teeth in the
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: back because I don't know what she had going on.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: But those crowns and all the things that she did
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: weren't sealed properly, weren't seated properly. And so I've been
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: losing teeth over here like, I mean, just left and right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Really, that's terrible because dentistry is so expensive. And I
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: would have thought that would have been one of the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: best things that would have come out of it, you know?
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: No, if you look up close, this is a, they're
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: about to be summer teeth. Some are here, some are there,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: some are missing. That's what they're, yeah. If I get,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: if it gets two more jacked up in there, I'm
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: gonna look like Metheny, a crystal Methodist. That's what I'm
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: gonna look like.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: When you go to another dentist, did they think that
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: maybe the work was rushed or what?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I've just been told that they did it completely improperly
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and they should not have shaved down my teeth the
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: way that they did.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Way over-processed.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: We can never go without veneers now. We have to
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: have them because all we have are these tiny little,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: not even chiclets. We don't even have chiclets left. They
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: look like tiny little, I mean, the cord on the
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: cough has bigger kernels than we have of our actual
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: teeth left.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: And it's important to say that the dentist that was
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: on the show is no longer practicing dentistry.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a great sign.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: So without knowing, she did not return requests for comment
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: or to be interviewed. My producer, Rachel Bozich, reached out
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: to her many times. But I think that the teeth
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: and how much they showed and that every single person
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: needed to get Da Vinci veneers was one of the
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: big red flags of the show.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I did not want that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It's like one size fits all kind of a makeover, which,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: you know, instead of really looking at the individual person. Well,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I'm curious, did any, did either of you guys get
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: like lip filler or filler in your face? Because that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: something that has to be kept up. So I'm curious
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: how that worked out.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I'm very thankful that instead of, My doctor suggested that
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: we do fat transfer. So it was my own fat
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: transferring to other places. And then when it's your own,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it doesn't dissolve and you don't have to get it redone.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: So thankfully for me, that was hope once and never again.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Where did you get it transferred to? I know my
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: lips and under my eyes, probably all around here. But again,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: we don't really know what happened.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: It's fat pad removal from your face and then injecting.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: So I had the fat pads removed, but then I had...
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: So we jokingly have called me ass face because I
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: had fat from my ass transferred to my lips and
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: under my eyes.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah. And what about you, Christy? Did
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you have that?
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I did. I had... I had injection. They would actually
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: come to our room with vials of like Botox and
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: filler and Restylane and all, you know, all these things.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know all the names. I don't do it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Honestly, like I've got a caviar taste on a tuna
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: fish budget. So I'm just over here like slapping on
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: whatever I can get at Sephora or Ulta.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: But yeah, they would come in there and just pump
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: us up. We'd sit and one girl would be, well,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: sometimes we'd have parties where several girls would be in
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: one room. And then they would come in there and
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: service us all with all the things. And some, I
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: actually still have a knot on inside my upper lip
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: from one of the fillers. I guess it wasn't squished
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: out enough or something. I remember that being an agonizing
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: part of that. They had to like inject it and
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: then squish your lip to like.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Even it out or whatever. I do.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie and say I'm not self-confident.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, self-conscious sometimes about my wrinkles and, you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: my lips being wrinkly and stuff like that. But I
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: also love the sun and I love a good cigarette
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: and I'll drink my wine. And, you know, I just,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: I could give two flying flips about what anybody thinks
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: about me anymore. If you can't whoop my ass, you
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: better not say it to my face.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: So, so once you did the show and you came
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: home and it sounds like, what was your initial thought?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Were you happy at first? And then it became kind
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: of embarrassing. Did people ever recognize you from the show or, uh,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you know, or just people that knew you from the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: neighborhood knew that you went to it and when you're
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: like kind of jealous and called you like, you know, Oh,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: everything on you is fake. Like, I kind of want
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: to know the response from home. Didn't.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I never was recognized. I never had anyone I don't
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: know stop me and say anything. I had a couple
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: of random messages once I created a Facebook, but, um,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you know, I, I'm thankfully anyone I knew, they just
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: were like, Oh, that's cool. Like no one was mean
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: about it. We didn't have social media back then or
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: else I'm sure it would have been a lot uglier, but, um, no,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I just kind of went back home and, um, Aside
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: from worrying about my teeth falling out, I loved everything
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I had done. I was super happy. But I went
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: home and went back to normal life.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: What about you, Christy?
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: It's in a transition phase of my life. So while
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I was on the Swan, my husband at the time
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: moved all of our things to a little town close
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: to San Diego. And so I didn't really know anybody
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: when I got there after the Swan. Pretty much it
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: was just our friends and family that knew about it.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: But after watching how they edited it and how they
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: portrayed me in that show with my then husband and
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: all of our friends, which were mostly military and their
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: wives or husbands and vice versa, I was mortified. I
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: was completely embarrassed. I would have rather walked out in
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: public and told somebody I had an STD than to
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: tell them I was on the swan.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: I was, I mean, beyond embarrassed. And for years, like
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: when people bring it up, aren't you? And immediately after
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: the guy that did the PR for Fox, he was
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: super sweet and he would get me tickets to go
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: do things. I was on the Ryan Seacrest show. And
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: probably the coolest thing that ever happened to me was
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: this single dad and his daughter were waiting outside of
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: the Ryan Seacrest show. And she was like, I love
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: you so much. And she's like, you turned out so pretty.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: And she asked me for my autograph. And thinking back
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: to that, I wish I could find that little girl
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: because I have so much to tell her. Like, You know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure she's not little now, but I
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: just remember being so touched and being like, OK, well,
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: maybe some good did come out of this. But yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: it was weird. And also seeing yourself in magazines after
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: and you're like, I don't know. It's still weird now
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: with the documentary coming out. You know, it's like I'm
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: just a plain old Jane over here just trying to
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: hang in like hair in a biscuit. I'm trying to
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: stay six feet up and ten toes down. And I
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: love all the expressions.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So when... When they approached you guys as past contestants saying,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: do you want to be part of this and just,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: you know, reflect on it and tell the truth? Did
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: you have any reservations about being on the dock?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: A ton. I had a ton of reservations because after
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: going through what we went through back then, how.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Do we trust you?
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: How do we know you're not going to twist our words? Like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: do you really have our best interest at heart? And
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: every time, It would move a step forward. I think
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: I would reset my, oh gosh, am I doing the
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: right thing? Until we met Aaron. I think once Aaron
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: came on, every worry I had went away. It was
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the same for me.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Good. And now, so Christy, since you were on season one,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: so you did have the no mirrors until that moment thing, right?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: And how did they tell you you're not going to
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: see a mirror for three months?
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: They told us when we walked in the apartment, girl,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: and there was contact paper over the mirror. And then
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: there was aerosol deodorant sprayed over every reflective surface.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm going to be honest with you, like,
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: I did see myself a couple times when these people
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: were taking us to appointments. And one time they took
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: me to Dr. Dubrow's office, and I went to go
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: to the bathroom, and there was nothing on the mirror.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: So I was like... I mean, I was all up
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: in it. So, you know, I.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: And what did you think when you saw yourself in
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: that mirror at that point?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Hell to the no.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Like, what is going on? I look like Franken-bitch. That's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: what I look like. Because you were still swollen from
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: the surgery or what? And I had had that laser
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: skin resurfacing. So I literally was walking around like a
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: burn victim. So, I mean, maybe that was good, though.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking maybe that was a good element of the.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Of the process, not letting you see each other, see yourself,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: because it is hard. I mean, I've had, I'm no
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: stranger to getting stuff done. And, you know, there's times
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: even just with simple injections and stuff that go wrong
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: or you don't, you know, like I once had like a,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: like a liquid nose job years ago. And I just
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: remember I like woke up the next day and it
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: was just like so swollen and But then it was fine.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And I like it worked out. I haven't done it
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: in like 10, 10, 12 years, but I liked it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: But it was that that panic, like and I was
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: trying to like do my makeup and look normal that day.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: So I do kind of think that isn't the worst
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: thing in the world to say, like, don't look in
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: the mirror until you're, you know, swollen, swollen, you're swollen.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: I think that it wasn't the worst thing in the world,
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: but the way it was framed to us, like everything
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: was just a farce. And I think that's the thing
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: that pisses me off the most. You know, they said, oh,
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: we don't want you to see yourself so you can
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: focus on your internal transformation. And then I think I
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: can only remember going to therapy three different times. She
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: never wanted to talk about my self-esteem issues. She wanted
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: to talk about my relationship. So am I here for
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: him or am I here for me? Like, I want
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: to know why I don't like myself. Can we work
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: on that? And it was just the life coaching thing
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: was complete BS. It was just like, well, it.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Sounds like it was all for the TV show. So
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that the life coach and the therapist had
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: the instructions that it's a lot more juicy to the
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: viewer to hear about your relationship with your husband than
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: hear about, you know, something else that isn't as tantalizing
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: to the audience.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Well, the thing is the show started off by Nellie Galan.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: That's the creator of the show. And she said, and
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: how she sold it, to the participants through the casting
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: process as you are going to go through an internal
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: and external transformation. The creator of the show ended up
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: being a life coach on the show. So she hand
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: selected the therapist, the nutritionist, all those things. But then
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: she actually was inside the show and instead of doing
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: like coaching and I don't know what was going on,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: the cameras weren't rolling, but it was like it was,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: you know, fear mongering around food and what people were eating.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: And so it was this very strange thing of like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: focus on yourself, but we're going to put you in
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: a pageant, the only the ones that we pick to
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: the pageant, and you're going to wear lingerie and you're
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: going to wear bathing suits. And then people are going
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: to judge you about who was the sort of the
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: biggest swan versus the ugly duckling. So living under that
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: sort of cognitive dissonance and the hypocrisy, I think, is
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: what was so challenging. And like, it's one thing to
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: be said, you know, you shouldn't look in the mirror
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: while you're recovering. It's another thing for people to remove
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: mirrors from any part of a surface and then for
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: you to get in trouble. If you try to look
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: in a mirror.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. Christy, you mentioned that Terry
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Dubrow was one of your doctors. Obviously, he's staying in
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: front of the camera with Real Housewives of OC and everything.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: How was he as a doctor for you?
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I love Dr. Dubrow. And, you know, I still love
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: him to this day. And obviously, you know, I brag
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: about the season one. So that's what I call the girls.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: They're hanging in there, you know, and I've had two
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: open heart surgeries and they're still symmetrical looking. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: they look great.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I like the way they look.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: But I know that that's not everyone's experience, but. To me,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: I thought we really vibed and everything was great. Much
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: to my chagrin here just recently, I saw some kind
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: of ad hominem comments on social media, which really, you know, it.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Really upset me because I thought we had a thing.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: I thought that, you know, we really had a cool relationship.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: What do you mean that he said something negative on
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: social media? Yeah, I mean.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: About the show or? It wasn't, it wasn't.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Positive not not to me the way i interpret it
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: it just was not positive and so.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: The trailer came out and dr debrow said something about
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: the this being bs right and the trailer uh was
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: effectively the women's stories and saying what their experience was
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: so we all thought it was a very strange thing
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: for someone to do calling bullshit on a film that
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: he had not even seen.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing when, you know, when
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: people jump to conclusions or even when I do podcasts
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: and I have a small clip, which is essentially is
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: like a trailer. Hope you watch the whole episode. But
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: here's just a small clip of a conversation. And, you know,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: that's all people then comment on. And you're like, well,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: if you would have listened to the whole hour, then
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: you would have seen that it wasn't... you know, one
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: point of view all the way through or whatever. So, yeah,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I think, I think he probably knows that this was
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: a time of reality shows that would never fly today. And,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: you know, he agreed to be a part of it.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I think that's kind of the way,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the only way you can say things. As someone who's
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: been in the business for a long time, there's jokes
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: that I said 20 years ago that I would never
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: say today.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do better until you know better.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: And that's okay. Like, you know, and things are subjective
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: and people change their minds. What was funny 20 years
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: ago is no longer funny. It's corny. It's inappropriate. It's cringey.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: sometimes and you need to as the person whether you're
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: part of a show or in my case whatever said
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a joke you're just like yeah I don't you know
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it again today but we we thought
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: we were doing a good thing and I was and
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: you know he could also say I was just one
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: part of it again he wasn't the producer he didn't
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: create the show um so and maybe he.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Was just sorry sorry Aaron I was just going to say,
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: he also has a very no holds barred type of personality,
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: which is, I think, why we vibe so well, you know.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: And so maybe, you know, maybe I'm just overly sensitive myself.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe I'm just in a weird place or whatever.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: I could have interpreted it wrong. We'll find out eventually.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: But I know I was just kind of taken aback, like, oh, damn,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: you know, like I thought he was I thought we
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: were bros, but.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll see.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe he's doing so solid and he's just
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: drumming up, you know, controversy for the doc because there
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: was a big reaction to the trailer and he wants
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: to be sure that his voice is involved in the frame.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: There was one story I remember that came out of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: The Swan because they did some guys, too, where a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: guy and a girl swan. They never did guys?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: No, never.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: OK, maybe there was maybe that was a different show.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe I created this story in my head, but I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: always remember there was some story about makeovers where a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: guy and a girl both got severe plastic surgery and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: then they got married or they had a baby together.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And I was always just like, I really wonder what
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: happened with them. I thought it was from The Swan,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: but I guess I was wrong.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: They were not males on season one and to my knowledge,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: not on season two. No.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: How many seasons were there?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: God, it seemed like it went on longer than that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: And why did the show end?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Do you know?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: So the show ended, the season one got massive viewership.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: It was the most seen beauty pageant that exists in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: the United States. It was critically received very poorly, right?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: It was sort of that there was a big backlash.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: And then with season two, and I think that's why
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: it's so amazing that we were able to talk to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Carrie and Gina. they really utilized the sisters and sort
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: of pitted people against each other. And when it went
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: from sort of like, OK, this is watchable to a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: pretty inhumane place. And there was a woman on the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: second season who had cancer. There was a woman who
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: survived a house fire, somebody who is deaf. And so ultimately,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: in terms of audiences and critics, they felt like it
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: was too difficult to watch. And it was a very
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: expensive show because it's basically a social experiment where you
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: you know, send somebody away for three months and film
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: them the whole time that I Fox saw sort of,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: you know, that it wasn't returning on the investment that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: they thought it would. And so it was canceled, but
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: it lives in this weird place as one of the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: most quote unquote sadistic reality shows of all time. And,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: but as like all of us know on this chat,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: like we, we're not that far away from what the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: swan was, right? With Ozempic, with all of these different things,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: the way we look, with all of us getting plastic surgery,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: little tit, like little, some things little, some things big.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: And so that's why they're the sort of the appetite
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: is so big right now because it's like, what the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: heck happened back then? And why is it actually, what
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: sort of is happening right now? Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: And well, also what's interesting. So What was your relationship
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: then when you got back? So you and your sister
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: were okay. So you didn't know your sister was on
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: the show, Carrie, until the moment of the pageant?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: No. So I was supposed to find out at my reveal.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: So right after I see myself for the first time,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: I would turn around and they would say, meet your competition,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: and she would walk out. Now, that is what happened.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: But I found out three days prior. They made a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: mistake and had information on the wall at the dentist's office.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: And so that's when I knew she was there. I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: kind of suspected the whole time because of how they
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: treated her in the beginning. But that's when I found
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: out for sure. But when the curtains open and I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: turn around and here comes Gina, that is genuine shock because,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: you know, she didn't look like my sister anymore. Like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: I heard her voice and I knew that was her,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: but I think it was harder on her. She said
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: I looked even more different. And then once we spent
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: some time together, we were like, OK, good, it's still you.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: And afterwards, what has been your relationship with reality TV?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Do you like it? Do you watch it? Have you
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: ever has anyone ever approached you to be on anything
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: of any other reality show over time?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: So we have not, no one's approached us. We haven't
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: been on any. I absolutely love reality television. We both
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: binge it all the time. I'm just going to shout
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: out Big Brother. I'm here. I got you. I'm in.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I've never been approached either, but I do. I love
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: reality TV, but also while I'm watching reality TV, I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: can pick.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Up now and I'm like, Yeah, that's not really what happened.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: I know that there is some scripting to it. And,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: you know, it's made to be salacious because it's for viewership.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: You know, somebody's pockets are getting lined, just like with
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: beauty standards. And like Aaron said, you know, have we
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: come very far since 2004?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: Because beauty standards don't exist. It's a Sisyphean task. But yeah,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: I love reality TV. I'm a huge fan.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: But I also know that as.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: Somebody who makes true crimes, I definitely sent a tape
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: in to be on the traitors, and they have not
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: responded to my agent.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. They don't know what they're doing. I'm so in.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I would watch. Yes.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's two traitors this season, right? There's going
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: to be the celebrity one and then regular people again.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: So you applied for the regular people one or the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: celebrity one?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: The celebrity one. Oh, good.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Well, this has been so fun. I'm really excited to
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: watch the show. Tell us where we can watch it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: The show comes out September 29th on Hulu.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, great. And can you watch it all in one
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: week or we have to go back? It's every week
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: or how many episodes is it? It's a feature.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: So you can watch it in one fell swoop.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: And, you know, we're really excited about it.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: And it's through these women, grit and determination. And I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: think that I think it will finally settle and understand like,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: why do people, you know, why do people do shows
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: like this? Like anybody would have done that show because
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: it promised to fix all of your imperfections. And so
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: that's what we're really excited for there to be a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: dialogue about.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see it. Well, you guys are
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: lovely and funny and so interesting. So I'm glad that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: even though this seems like, you know, it wasn't the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: experience you thought it was going to be, besides the teeth, issues.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: It sounds like your life continued on and you enjoyed
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: your boobs and life was okay. Yes. Is that a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: good interpretation or?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: I always tell people sometimes, even when life gives you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: a lemon, you can still make a margarita. So I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: think that's what we all did with the experience, you know, like, oh, okay,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: well that, that was a wild ride, but at least
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: we got pretty nice tits and some good teeth.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: And the best friendships like ever. Yeah. Also a little trauma.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: We had kept in touch with people and stuff. Yep,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: for 20 years we have. I love that. Well, thanks
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: so much, girls. I really appreciate it.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Heather.
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