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Zigmund Adamski Pt. Two · The Path Went Chilly

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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: So welcome back to part two of our series about
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Speaker 2: the unexplained death of Zygmunt Adamski. Let's dive right back
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Speaker 2: into this case. Oh yeah, and as we're going to
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Speaker 2: talk about, when he went public about his experience, this
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Speaker 2: pretty much ruined his police career, and aliens and UFOs
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Speaker 2: became his bread and butter for the next several decades.
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Speaker 2: He became known as a guy who would give interviews
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Speaker 2: and talk about his experiences with aliens, so this pretty
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Speaker 2: much changed the course of his life, and before this,
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Speaker 2: there was nothing in his background to suggest that he
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Speaker 2: was an attention-getter, who would suddenly decide to fabricate an
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Speaker 2: alien counter just to receive all this fame and fortune.
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Speaker 2: But like I said, he drove back to Todmoden after
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Speaker 2: this encounter and realized that there were about 25 to
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Speaker 2: 35 minutes, which he could not account for, and he
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Speaker 2: also noticed that the sole on his left boot had
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Speaker 2: been split open, and he now had an unexplained itchy
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Speaker 2: mark on his left foot. He enlisted the assistance of
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Speaker 2: another constable to help him keep searching for the missing cattle,
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Speaker 2: and they returned to Burnley Road, the same place where
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Speaker 2: this encounter had taken place, when they discovered that the
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Speaker 2: cattle were suddenly in a field behind a locked gate.
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Speaker 2: And even though the ground was wet and muddy, there
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Speaker 2: didn't appear to be any hoof prints, so he could
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Speaker 2: not figure out how the cattle had gotten there. And
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Speaker 2: it almost looked like, because they were randomly disappearing throughout
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Speaker 2: the course of the evening, that aliens had beamed these
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Speaker 2: cattle up and then dropped them back into this field
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Speaker 2: behind the locked gate.
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Speaker 1: Why is it always cattle? It seems as though aliens
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Speaker 1: have a fascination with cattle. When it comes to these
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Speaker 1: cattle mutilations, there's an element of like exsanguination and surgical
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Speaker 1: precision that seems to have been done with a machine
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Speaker 1: without spilling any blood. And there seems to be no
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Speaker 1: medical explanation for exactly how this could be done and
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Speaker 1: what manner it would be carried out in to create
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Speaker 1: the final result. So I don't know what their fascination
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Speaker 1: with cattle is and why they seem to disappear and
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Speaker 1: reappear cattle and mutilate cattle. But I'm very intrigued.
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Speaker 2: Yes, at least in this particular case, the cattle were
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Speaker 2: unharmed and not mutilated. But it makes me wonder like
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Speaker 2: why they would feel the need to pick them up
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Speaker 2: and drop them off and then just suddenly decide, oh,
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Speaker 2: we're also going to pick up like a police officer
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Speaker 2: as well and keep him captive for about 30 minutes
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Speaker 2: before dropping him off. So Godfrey would speak to three
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Speaker 2: other police officers who did report seeing bright blue lights
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Speaker 2: in the sky on that particular evening, though none of
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Speaker 2: them had a close encounter with the UFO. But Godfrey
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Speaker 2: decided to document his experiences in his police report, but
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Speaker 2: unfortunately for him, the report wound up getting leaked to
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Speaker 2: the press and published in the newspapers, and that pretty
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Speaker 2: much caused the downward spiral of his police career because,
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Speaker 2: of course, the West Yorkshire police were extremely embarrassed that
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Speaker 2: one of their officers was reported having encountered a UFO.
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Speaker 2: But he was eventually put in touch with a group
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Speaker 2: called the Manchester UFO Research Association, who went by the
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Speaker 2: acronym MUFORA, and he agreed to undergo hypnotic regression, where
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Speaker 2: he wanted to see if he can bring back some
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Speaker 2: repressed memories of the 25 to 35 minutes that he
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Speaker 2: could not remember that evening. So, while under hypnosis, Godfrey
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Speaker 2: claimed that he had visions of his police car's engine
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Speaker 2: coming to a stop and his radio filling with static
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Speaker 2: before he was suddenly blinded by a beam of light,
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Speaker 2: which caused him to pass out. And when he woke up,
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Speaker 2: he recalled being inside a room where he was surrounded
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Speaker 2: by what he described as eight small humanoid robot-like beings
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Speaker 2: with heads shaped like lamps. And there was also a
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Speaker 2: black dog and a tall bearded man with a skull
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Speaker 2: cap and a white gown. And according to Godfrey, the
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Speaker 2: man said that his name was Yosef and communicated with
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Speaker 2: him telepathically. And after he instructed Godfrey to lie on
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Speaker 2: a table, the robot beings removed his boots and studied
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Speaker 2: his toes before instruments were placed on his arms and legs,
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Speaker 2: causing him discomfort. And Godfrey believed that this was the
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Speaker 2: reason that his boot was split open and why he
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Speaker 2: had this itchy mark on his left foot.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's looking like we're dealing with someone who
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Speaker 1: looks like Gandalf and we've got a dire wolf and
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Speaker 1: a bunch of robots. Yeah, this isn't unlike a lot
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Speaker 1: of people's experiences when they seem to enter other realms
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Speaker 1: while taking ayahuasca or DMT. So I'm not all that
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Speaker 1: surprised that this could be another version of reality in
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Speaker 1: some other dimension.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to Godfrey's credit, when he has done interviews
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Speaker 2: about this, he has never flat out said that he
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Speaker 2: believes that this is a repressed memory of him being
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Speaker 2: kidnapped by a UFO. He acknowledges that he could have
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Speaker 2: just experienced a very weird dream while he was under hypnosis,
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Speaker 2: and that could explain some of the inexplicable details, like
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Speaker 2: the dog and the tall bearded man. And he just
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Speaker 2: has always said, I've never specifically said that I was
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Speaker 2: abducted by aliens. I just said that I had an
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Speaker 2: episode of Missing Time, and I had this weird vision
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Speaker 2: while I was under hypnosis, but I can't say that
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Speaker 2: this is 100% the reality of what happened to me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that makes him more credible, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion. in that he isn't going to settle on
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Speaker 1: a conclusion. He's only going to tell you what he remembers,
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Speaker 1: but he's not going to tell you that this is
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Speaker 1: a fact. He's saying this is what is coming up,
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Speaker 1: and that's it, and then you can interpret it as
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Speaker 1: you see fit, not saying, not leading the listener to say,
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Speaker 1: this is how you should be interpreting it. If that
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Speaker 1: was the way that he was approaching this, I might
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Speaker 1: have a different opinion on Godfrey, but at this point,
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Speaker 1: I'm finding him to be really credible.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, up to this point, I found Godfrey to
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Speaker 2: be credible, but now I'm going to share the silliest
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Speaker 2: part of this whole story, which is quite hilarious and
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Speaker 2: may cause you to look at him in a different light.
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Speaker 2: But in 1977, three years earlier, Godfrey had actually gotten
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Speaker 2: into a violent altercation with three men while he was
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Speaker 2: on duty and was kicked in the groin so hard
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Speaker 2: that he wound up losing one of his testicles. And
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Speaker 2: even though Godfrey and his wife wanted to have more children,
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Speaker 2: it seemed like the injury was going to make it
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Speaker 2: impossible because it caused him to become fertile. Well, guess what?
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Speaker 2: Shortly after his so-called encounter with this mysterious object, Godfrey
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Speaker 2: and his wife were sleeping in their bed together when
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Speaker 2: she claimed she was awakened in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: night by a strange noise. And later that morning, the
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Speaker 2: couple had sex for the first time in three years, which,
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Speaker 2: since the violent attack which caused Godfrey his testicle, And
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Speaker 2: against all odds, she became pregnant again. And a subsequent
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Speaker 2: hospital checkup would reveal that Godfrey had suddenly become fertile again,
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Speaker 2: even though he lost one of his testicles. And he
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Speaker 2: began to think that when he was kidnapped by the aliens,
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Speaker 2: they did experiments on him and somehow fixed his testicles
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Speaker 2: so that he could see children again. And no, I
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Speaker 2: am not making this up. He has actually shared this
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Speaker 2: story in interviews.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot to share. I went to school with
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Speaker 1: a kid who had testicular torsion. He was kicked in
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Speaker 1: the testicles very hard and had to have one of
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Speaker 1: them removed. I remember in later years, he said that
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Speaker 1: the doctor said he would still likely be able to
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Speaker 1: have children. It might be more difficult, but it wasn't
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Speaker 1: as though he lost both testicles. So I'm confused by
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Speaker 1: how Godfrey lost one and then he wasn't able to
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Speaker 1: have them. Did he have a doctor say that you're
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Speaker 1: incapable of having children? And did he get a second opinion?
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Speaker 1: Because I feel like it's more likely that that doctor
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Speaker 1: could have been wrong and that that's why he was
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Speaker 1: able to then have children and less likely to believe
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Speaker 1: that it's because the aliens bestowed some, like, super sperm
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Speaker 1: upon him or something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he flat out said, I think, that he
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Speaker 2: and his wife had not made love in three years.
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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, well, maybe he was told
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Speaker 2: they couldn't have children and they stopped having sex. And
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Speaker 2: when they decided to do it again a few years later,
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Speaker 2: that's when she became pregnant. But I've seen online discussions
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Speaker 2: about this case where people have joked saying that maybe
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Speaker 2: Alan should look at the kid a little closer and
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Speaker 2: see if he resembles the milkman rather than himself, because
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Speaker 2: perhaps his wife was having an affair under his nose
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Speaker 2: and that's who the father of his child was.
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Speaker 1: Oh, poor Godfrey. I mean, if they were not having
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Speaker 1: sex for three years, that could explain why she wasn't
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Speaker 1: getting pregnant. Because if you don't have sex, one does
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Speaker 1: not get pregnant. So if you have this overwhelming belief
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Speaker 1: that you're incapable of doing so, and then you're not
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Speaker 1: going through the act that would make it possible for
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Speaker 1: you to conceive children, then no children are going to
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Speaker 1: come from that. So I can see how all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden when they have sex again, and then she
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Speaker 1: gets pregnant, it could almost feel like immaculate conception, but I,
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Speaker 1: I'm not willing to yet entertain the idea that there
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Speaker 1: could be the milkman because we just don't know enough information.
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Speaker 1: And one testicle is not no testicles.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So, uh, I think that's probably the problem here,
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Speaker 2: is that if he had not gone public and shared
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Speaker 2: this story, I think that maybe people would take him
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Speaker 2: more seriously. But because of all the notoriety, this pretty
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Speaker 2: much ruined Godfrey's police career because he would get mocked
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Speaker 2: and ridiculed by his fellow officers. And his encounter actually
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Speaker 2: got published in the infamous tabloid, The Weekly World News,
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Speaker 2: under the headline, Death Strikes From Space. Do you have
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Speaker 2: memories of The Weekly World News and seeing it in
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Speaker 2: the checkout line at supermarkets, all these wild stories?
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Speaker 1: I remember when I was a little kid, all those
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Speaker 1: tabloid newspapers that would be splashed with like alien autopsies
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Speaker 1: and like those types of salacious, like we'd call them
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Speaker 1: clickbait now, clickbaity type stories that you'd go, oh, whoa, crazy.
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Speaker 1: And you'd want to, you'd want to buy it or
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Speaker 1: look at it. I'd be tugging on my mom's sleeve going, ooh, ooh,
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Speaker 1: can we get that? And she'd always be like, no.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, same with me. No, we cannot. Yeah, yeah. I
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Speaker 2: would always... want to buy it, but my parents would
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Speaker 2: just say, this is junk, you don't want to take
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Speaker 2: it seriously. But that was pre-internet, of course, so this
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Speaker 2: was the only way to get wild stories like that.
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Speaker 2: But as you can imagine, Godfrey Superiors did not like
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Speaker 2: him being featured in the Weekly World News, so... He
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Speaker 2: said that they undermined him at every turn, continually transferred
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Speaker 2: him around, and after an incident where he was violently
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Speaker 2: assaulted on duty by a group of drunks, Godfrey finally
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Speaker 2: decided to retire from the police force, but he suddenly
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Speaker 2: became like a semi-celebrity, because he self-published a book about
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Speaker 2: his story, and he would appear continually on talk shows,
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Speaker 2: get invited to UFO conventions, so this pretty much allowed
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Speaker 2: him to make his income for the next several decades.
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Speaker 2: And if you look at interviews with him, he does
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Speaker 2: seem like a really, like, solid, credible guy who takes
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Speaker 2: this very seriously. So I think that's why he's been
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Speaker 2: able to get so much mileage out of this story
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Speaker 2: for the next several years. But a lot of people
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Speaker 2: have joked that he's pretty much like the 1980s meme
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Speaker 2: version of the aliens guy from the Discovery Channel.
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Speaker 1: He is, but he also reminds me of, like, someone from, like,
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Speaker 1: an influencer from, like, social media age who overshares. Like,
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Speaker 1: I could see him as one of, like, the real, um,
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Speaker 1: the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, like, husbands, like, from
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Speaker 1: Dad Talk. I could see him as, like, an early
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Speaker 1: version of that, just, like, oversharing with his story and
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Speaker 1: trying to connect, but it not quite hitting the way
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Speaker 1: that he thinks that it should. and people receiving it
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Speaker 1: in an entirely different way, and finding it very cringe,
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Speaker 1: because he seemed really credible. And I'm not trying to
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Speaker 1: discount his experience, and I'm not saying that it's not valid.
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Speaker 1: I think that it's possible that a doctor might have
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Speaker 1: just given him some incorrect information, and then he operated
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Speaker 1: as if that information was indeed fact, and him and
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Speaker 1: his wife were not sleeping together, and so they couldn't conceive,
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Speaker 1: and then when it did happen, he's attributing it to
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Speaker 1: potentially being from, the aliens and what they did. And
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Speaker 1: I think that is the error there. If he would
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Speaker 1: have just put the information out there, I just don't
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Speaker 1: think that it's information that needed to be shared. I
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Speaker 1: think that was something that could have been kept personal,
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Speaker 1: especially given the nature of his relationship so far and
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Speaker 1: the publicity that he'd gotten. When you take it to
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Speaker 1: that place, it's an incredibly intimate place, even more intimate
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Speaker 1: than anything speaking about missing time and potential alien abduction.
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Speaker 1: You're speaking about your marriage and about intimate time with
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Speaker 1: your wife and conceiving a child and losing a testicle.
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Speaker 1: It's too much.
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Speaker 2: It is, yes. And I've seen some segments on Unsolved
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Speaker 2: Mysteries about missing time, and one of them I remember
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Speaker 2: was like a military guy named Robert Matthews who said
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Speaker 2: that he reported for duty near a base one night
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Speaker 2: and then suddenly saw a light in the sky, and
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Speaker 2: then the next thing he knew, two hours had passed,
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Speaker 2: even though it only felt like a few seconds. And,
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Speaker 2: you see, this guy interviewed, he seems like this no-nonsense
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Speaker 2: career military guy who would never make up a story
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Speaker 2: like that, so he's completely credible. And I feel the
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Speaker 2: same thing with, like, Alan Godfrey, but then when you
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Speaker 2: start sharing the personal details about having sex with your
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Speaker 2: wife and conceiving a child, I could see why people
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Speaker 2: might think that he has some credibility issues. But the
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Speaker 2: reason his story got some additional mileage is because it
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Speaker 2: took place only five months after Zygmunt Adamski's death, and
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying, what are the odds
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Speaker 2: that one of the police officers who found Zygmunt's body
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Speaker 2: would have his own UFO encounter just a few months later?
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Speaker 2: You can interpret it in different ways, thinking this gives
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Speaker 2: more credibility to the theory that Zygmunt was abducted by
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Speaker 2: aliens because there were UFO reports in the area, during
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Speaker 2: this time period, or you might think that maybe Godfrey
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Speaker 2: is capitalizing on Zygmunt's death and thinking, hmm, since I
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Speaker 2: was around this other guy who suffered a mysterious death,
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Speaker 2: maybe if I fabricate my own UFO story, people will
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Speaker 2: take me more seriously.
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Speaker 1: Potentially, or maybe the aliens just listen to the press,
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Speaker 1: or they're listening to interviews, and They hear that Godfrey
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Speaker 1: is open to, you know, different explanations. The fact that
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Speaker 1: they said that someone or something did this to him,
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Speaker 1: they thought that there's a guy. There's a guy that
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Speaker 1: might be open to certain things. And so we're going
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Speaker 1: to abduct him. So was this a targeted abduction? Or
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Speaker 1: was this just a complete coincidence and potentially it was
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Speaker 1: done by even other aliens? Maybe not even the original
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Speaker 1: aliens that could have potentially done this to Zygmunt. if
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Speaker 1: we're to believe that it is indeed aliens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just pretty crazy that all this stuff would
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Speaker 2: be going on in England back in 1980. And I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever heard of the Bentwaters incident
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Speaker 2: from Rendlesham Forest.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very familiar.
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Speaker 2: That took place, like, on Christmas in 1980, just a
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Speaker 2: couple months after this, so it just seems like, combined
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Speaker 2: with the sighting of the lights in the sky from
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Speaker 2: the couple who lived in Todmorden, like, right before Zingman's
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Speaker 2: body was discovered, it seemed like there was a lot
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Speaker 2: of UFO activity in England during 1980, and it seems
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Speaker 2: to give more credibility... Because all the people who reported
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Speaker 2: the Bentwaters incident and Rendlesham Forest were military people, more
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Speaker 2: no-nonsense people, who have also complained about all the files
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Speaker 2: being sealed and never released to the public. So you
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Speaker 2: put all these things together in such a short amount
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Speaker 2: of time, and that can give more credibility to the
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Speaker 2: idea that Zygmunt died after having a close encounter.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that up, because I was just
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Speaker 1: going to Google and see what year the Rendlesham Forest
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Speaker 1: incident was, because I'm very familiar with that. And the
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Speaker 1: two men that witnessed what they witnessed, and I think
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Speaker 1: they had long-term physical health issues due to what they
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Speaker 1: saw and or what they encountered that day. And they
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Speaker 1: were very, very credible, in my opinion. I think it's
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Speaker 1: when you start getting into the territory of sex and
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Speaker 1: testicles and conceiving babies. That, like, it's just too much information,
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Speaker 1: and so it muddies the waters. Whereas with those guys,
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Speaker 1: we're not into that realm. We're sticking with the details
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Speaker 1: of the case. And so I think it makes them
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Speaker 1: a lot more credible, especially because both men in that
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Speaker 1: incident had had very good careers. They had no motivation
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Speaker 1: in coming forward and speaking about this. There's nothing to
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Speaker 1: be gained from it. There's more to be lost. And
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Speaker 1: so in those types of scenarios, I'm much more inclined
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Speaker 1: to believe that there is some truth and some validity
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Speaker 1: into what they saw and what they said that they saw.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like so much happening in England during
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Speaker 2: this particular time period within a span of six months.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I can't discount that something strange was
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Speaker 2: going on in the area during this time period.
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Speaker 1: And just to bring it back to the crop circles,
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Speaker 1: this was like prime time crop circle time where like
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Speaker 1: they were being found everywhere all over these different fields
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Speaker 1: and everything. So it seemed as though there was something,
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Speaker 1: some kind of energy, some kind of being, something that
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Speaker 1: was focusing on the UK and England in particular. And
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Speaker 1: we're seeing all of these different incidents pop up as
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Speaker 1: symptoms of whatever this greater plan was.
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Speaker 2: So in 2017, a ufologist named Russ Callahan actually came
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Speaker 2: up with a potential alternate theory to explain Alan Godfrey's sighting.
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Speaker 2: Because in the 1960s, a Finnish architect actually came up
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Speaker 2: with a design known as a Futuro House, which was
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Speaker 2: a residence which was constructed in the shape of a
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Speaker 2: dome-shaped flying saucer. and had a number of dark oval-shaped windows,
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Speaker 2: and even though less than a hundred of these Futuro
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Speaker 2: houses were produced, one of them was built in Todmorden
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Speaker 2: in 1971 and was reportedly still around in 1980, and
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Speaker 2: the houses were mobile and could be transported around by truck,
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Speaker 2: so theoretically, if Godfrey came across a Futuro house in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night being transported on that road,
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Speaker 2: he could have potentially mistaken it for a UFO. Godfrey
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Speaker 2: himself has addressed this theory and has said that, no,
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Speaker 2: I did not see a Fatoro house, but if you
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Speaker 2: do a Google search on them, they're pretty neat-looking things
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Speaker 2: because they really do look like flying saucers. They look
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Speaker 2: like pretty neat things to live in, and I could
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Speaker 2: see someone seeing that at night and mistaking it for
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Speaker 2: a UFO, but Godfrey has completely discounted that's a possibility.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's always an alternate possibility. But I think
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Speaker 1: when you believe that you've seen something, it's like what
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Speaker 1: somebody tells you, oh, it was a weather balloon. And
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Speaker 1: you're like, no, it wasn't. I know what I saw.
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Speaker 2: Yes. But when you get a chance to do a
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Speaker 2: Google search on Futuro houses, because they look like really
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Speaker 2: neat devices, and I would have loved to have lived
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Speaker 2: in one of those back in the day.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just look it up really quick here.
18:36
Speaker 2: It's F-U-T-U-R-O. F-U-T, sorry.
18:41
Speaker 1: They're very cool, but yeah. Definitely, I think the difference
18:45
Speaker 1: between what would be an unidentified flying object versus this, I, yeah,
18:52
Speaker 1: I would like to think that I would be able
18:54
Speaker 1: to discern the difference. And so I could think, I
18:57
Speaker 1: would think that I maybe would potentially feel insulted if
19:00
Speaker 1: somebody was to suggest that that's what I saw.
19:04
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I don't think someone would be driving
19:06
Speaker 2: one of those around at like 530 in the morning
19:08
Speaker 2: and that they would be going through the area when
19:10
Speaker 2: a bunch of cattle just disappear and then reappear. So
19:14
Speaker 2: now let's get back to Zygmunt Adamski's case, because in 2005,
19:17
Speaker 2: it would be re-examined by a group called the British
19:20
Speaker 2: UFO Research Association, a.k.a. BUFORA. And while they were still
19:24
Speaker 2: denied access to the official files, they did their own
19:27
Speaker 2: independent investigation and performed some new interviews. And surprisingly, you'd
19:32
Speaker 2: assume that a UFO organization would lean towards the aliens theory,
19:36
Speaker 2: but they actually came to a completely different conclusion, which
19:39
Speaker 2: has left me with more questions than answers. But this
19:42
Speaker 2: is what they wrote in the official report, quote, Taking
19:44
Speaker 2: into consideration the nature of information obtained recently by someone
19:48
Speaker 2: who was a close family friend of Mr. So it
20:02
Speaker 2: turned out that Zygmunt was trapped in a heated family feud,
20:05
Speaker 2: and that the main reason that his cousin Laska and
20:07
Speaker 2: her son had been staying with him for two months
20:10
Speaker 2: was because she had recently taken out a restraining order
20:12
Speaker 2: on her husband. And apparently the husband was going to
20:15
Speaker 2: attend the wedding of Zygmunt's goddaughter the following day, and
20:20
Speaker 2: this was potentially going to cause some friction, so Bufora,
20:23
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, reached the conclusion that Zygmunt may have
20:27
Speaker 2: been abducted by the husband of Alaska and his other
20:31
Speaker 2: family members, held in captivity for five days before he died,
20:35
Speaker 2: and that they disposed of his body by leaving it
20:37
Speaker 2: on top of a coal pile in a railroad yard,
20:39
Speaker 2: which makes even less sense than an alien's explanation in
20:43
Speaker 2: my eyes.
20:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're going to hold him against his will
20:47
Speaker 1: and give him a haircut and undress him and, like,
20:51
Speaker 1: keep his hygiene up and then kill him and you're
20:54
Speaker 1: going to dispose of his body on top of a
20:56
Speaker 1: coal pile without disturbing the coal. Like, how would one
21:00
Speaker 1: even do that? It makes no sense to me.
21:03
Speaker 2: I mean, we really don't know any details about the
21:05
Speaker 2: investigation and what information they obtained during their interviews, but
21:09
Speaker 2: they provide some really specific details about the circumstances of
21:12
Speaker 2: Zygmunt's death, saying that He was kidnapped by the husband
21:15
Speaker 2: or someone from his family and held in captivity inside
21:18
Speaker 2: a shed for five days. I don't know why they
21:20
Speaker 2: specifically said a shed and what information they have to
21:23
Speaker 2: believe that, but at some point, Zygmunt may have attempted
21:26
Speaker 2: to escape, but accidentally wound up spilling battery acid on himself,
21:30
Speaker 2: which could have caused the mysterious burns on his body.
21:33
Speaker 2: But they don't really address why he would have battery
21:36
Speaker 2: acid inside this shed that he could spill on himself.
21:39
Speaker 2: And apparently this caused so much trauma that he died
21:41
Speaker 2: of a heart attack in the captor disposed of his
21:43
Speaker 2: body in the coal yard.
21:44
Speaker 1: Okay, and so we're told that these wounds were from
21:49
Speaker 1: something corrosive, so okay, battery acid. But it seemed like
21:52
Speaker 1: they were uniform and egg-shaped. And if you're going to
21:55
Speaker 1: spill something like battery acid, you can't tell me that
21:58
Speaker 1: you're going to have these uniform, egg-shaped marks all over.
22:02
Speaker 1: And what was this mysterious ointment?
22:05
Speaker 2: That's the next thing I'm going to talk about. And
22:07
Speaker 2: this explanation does seem semi-plausible, I think, because Beaufort discovered
22:12
Speaker 2: that at the time of his death, Zygmunt had been
22:15
Speaker 2: undergoing an alternative form of medicine therapy known as moxibustion.
22:20
Speaker 2: The process involves a form of acupuncture treatment in which
22:22
Speaker 2: some small, cot-like material called mugwort is soaked in alcohol,
22:27
Speaker 2: placed in bamboo tubes, and lit on fire before they
22:29
Speaker 2: touch the skin, and this could have provided... another potential
22:33
Speaker 2: explanation for the burn marks besides the battery acid. Unfortunately,
22:38
Speaker 2: we do not have any photographs of Zygmunt's actual burns
22:40
Speaker 2: in order to make a comparison, but I have seen
22:42
Speaker 2: photos of mock Sebastian burns online, and they do resemble
22:47
Speaker 2: the descriptions of the burns which have been provided. And
22:50
Speaker 2: since he was undergoing mock Sebastian in that time period,
22:53
Speaker 2: it's not like they just pulled this theory out of
22:55
Speaker 2: thin air. I learned, I did some research on it,
22:58
Speaker 2: and there are two forms of therapy, direct and indirect.
23:01
Speaker 2: And direct moxibustion has two separate categories, scarring and non-scarring,
23:06
Speaker 2: which means that if he was practicing moxibustion, that doesn't
23:10
Speaker 2: necessarily mean he would have received any burns unless he
23:12
Speaker 2: selected the direct scarring version. And apparently they do have
23:16
Speaker 2: ointments that are available as a protective barrier between the
23:20
Speaker 2: skin and the flaming mugwort. So that could be the
23:23
Speaker 2: explanation for the ointment on his skin. And since they
23:26
Speaker 2: were not readily available back in 1980, and were not
23:29
Speaker 2: exactly mainstream, that could also explain why the home office
23:32
Speaker 2: laboratory was unable to identify the ointment when they did
23:36
Speaker 2: a chemical analysis.
23:38
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. Mugwort is an organic compound, so it's
23:42
Speaker 1: not like it's something that's not readily available on Earth.
23:46
Speaker 1: So I thought that was odd that a home office
23:48
Speaker 1: lab was... unable to classify what this ointment could have been.
23:53
Speaker 1: That seemed odd to me, but the moxibustion does seem
23:56
Speaker 1: like a pretty good explanation for these wounds. But could
24:01
Speaker 1: they not have, were they not able to tell when
24:04
Speaker 1: those wounds would have been done to his skin?
24:07
Speaker 2: That's a problem. Like, I know that Bufora did their
24:11
Speaker 2: own independent investigation, and they must have found some information
24:14
Speaker 2: to make them come up with that theory. But The
24:16
Speaker 2: big question is, did law enforcement, like, provide any explanation?
24:20
Speaker 2: Did they find out about the mock Sebastian? Because if
24:22
Speaker 2: they were able to find out he had been doing this,
24:25
Speaker 2: why not release that to the public? Like, why keep
24:27
Speaker 2: that inside these sealed files when it's a logical explanation
24:31
Speaker 2: for why Zygmunt White have suffered these burns and had
24:34
Speaker 2: this ointment on him? And there are obviously a lot
24:37
Speaker 2: of holes in the theory about the idea of Zygmunt
24:39
Speaker 2: being held captive by Laska's husband, because he was from Poland,
24:44
Speaker 2: so where exactly would he have kept Zygmunt captive since
24:47
Speaker 2: he didn't live in the area, he was not from England? And, like,
24:51
Speaker 2: the explanation provided is that he wanted to keep Sigmund
24:53
Speaker 2: away from the wedding of the goddaughter the following day, but,
24:57
Speaker 2: of course, Sigmund was still held in captivity for four
24:59
Speaker 2: more days after that, so what exactly was their plan? Because, obviously,
25:03
Speaker 2: if you just wanted him there temporarily, he's probably gonna
25:06
Speaker 2: press charges once you let him go, so unless you
25:09
Speaker 2: kill him... then there's, like, uh, you're gonna face some
25:12
Speaker 2: trouble for this, and so, uh, I don't know why
25:15
Speaker 2: they would keep him there a couple days after the wedding,
25:17
Speaker 2: and then after he died of a heart attack, you're
25:19
Speaker 2: obviously thinking, ooh, we kidnapped this guy, we could get
25:22
Speaker 2: in serious legal trouble, we better dispose of the body
25:24
Speaker 2: to avoid, uh, anyone finding out what happened, but instead
25:27
Speaker 2: of going out and burying it somewhere, we're going to
25:30
Speaker 2: go into a public coal yard at a railway station
25:33
Speaker 2: and put his body on top of a pile of coal. Like,
25:36
Speaker 2: this just makes no sense whatsoever.
25:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, like I'm more inclined to believe that you
25:42
Speaker 1: could have some messy kidnappers or abductors who don't know
25:47
Speaker 1: what they're doing, aren't really clear on their objective, and
25:50
Speaker 1: haven't thought about the plan long term. I'm more inclined
25:53
Speaker 1: to believe that that's a possibility. But once we get
25:56
Speaker 1: into the body disposal part of it, I'm scratching my head.
26:00
Speaker 1: There's no way that individuals that are so disorganized that
26:03
Speaker 1: they're going to abduct him for multiple days and clearly
26:06
Speaker 1: not know what they're doing with him then wait till
26:08
Speaker 1: he has a heart attack and dies, then disposes of
26:11
Speaker 1: his body, are going to be able to so seamlessly
26:14
Speaker 1: get him up to on top of this pile of
26:17
Speaker 1: coal without disturbing any of it. It doesn't make any sense,
26:21
Speaker 1: and if you're going to go to the length to
26:23
Speaker 1: dump a body 25 miles away, I would think that
26:26
Speaker 1: you would find a better location where he's less likely
26:29
Speaker 1: to be discovered, or at least not out in the
26:31
Speaker 1: open like that.
26:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, like just putting him in the most difficult place,
26:35
Speaker 2: and like I said, Trevor Parker was away running errands
26:38
Speaker 2: for a couple hours, and he left the gate unlocked
26:41
Speaker 2: in case there were any deliveries, but there's no way
26:43
Speaker 2: that Laska's husband could have known about this ahead of time,
26:46
Speaker 2: so why would they choose this particular coal yard? How
26:49
Speaker 2: did they know that it was unoccupied at the time?
26:52
Speaker 2: And also the fact that Laska had apparently put a
26:55
Speaker 2: restraining order against this guy, and you would think that
26:58
Speaker 2: maybe she was pretty much living with Zygmunt with her
27:02
Speaker 2: son because she felt she wanted to stay away from
27:05
Speaker 2: her husband, so you're thinking that, well, the husband decided
27:07
Speaker 2: to get Zygmunt out of the way so he could
27:09
Speaker 2: go after his ex-wife, but I haven't heard anything about
27:12
Speaker 2: the husband making contact with Laska after Zygmunt went missing
27:16
Speaker 2: or trying to harm her anyway. I mean, I guess
27:18
Speaker 2: there's information out there that we don't know because... Bufora
27:22
Speaker 2: did their own independent investigation, but it really does not
27:25
Speaker 2: seem like the husband had any motive to do this,
27:28
Speaker 2: and I have no idea if he was even in
27:30
Speaker 2: England during that time period. So, one joke is that
27:34
Speaker 2: apparently there was another strange UFO case involving someone named Adamski,
27:39
Speaker 2: because there was an infamous ufologist named George Adamski, who
27:43
Speaker 2: was no relation to Zygmunt, but he came to prominence
27:46
Speaker 2: during the 1950s after he published a series of books...
27:49
Speaker 2: about alleged encounters he had with Nordic aliens in California,
27:53
Speaker 2: and he said that he traveled aboard their spaceships after
27:57
Speaker 2: being abducted by them. But it's generally accepted by experts
28:01
Speaker 2: that George Adamski was a con artist who orchestrated a
28:04
Speaker 2: number of elaborate hoaxes before he died of a heart
28:06
Speaker 2: attack in 1965, but a lot of people have jokes
28:10
Speaker 2: that if he was telling the truth, then perhaps the
28:12
Speaker 2: UFOs did return to Earth 15 years later and wound
28:15
Speaker 2: up kidnapping the wrong Adamski.
28:19
Speaker 1: I mean, you never know. Anything is possible. And he
28:22
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first to speak about Nordic aliens. And
28:25
Speaker 1: there seems to be these different subtypes of aliens that
28:28
Speaker 1: are widely reported. And I don't know how much credence
28:31
Speaker 1: to give to that and whether or not he was
28:33
Speaker 1: a scam artist. I can't speak to that because I
28:35
Speaker 1: don't know enough of the information. But it is an
28:38
Speaker 1: interesting little tidbit that we do have this ufologist Adamski
28:43
Speaker 1: and then we have Zygmunt Adamski that this happens to.
28:47
Speaker 1: It is at least in North America a very unique name.
28:52
Speaker 1: And I'm sure in England it's unique as well, whereas
28:55
Speaker 1: in Poland it might be a more common name. But
28:58
Speaker 1: for us to hear that two Adamskis are, you know,
29:02
Speaker 1: related to UFOs in a very meaningful way, it seems improbable. But, yeah, that's...
29:09
Speaker 1: I'm finding all of this to be very interesting, and
29:12
Speaker 1: it's really scratching that alien itch that I have.
29:15
Speaker 2: It does, yeah. Because it's kind of funny that when
29:17
Speaker 2: we get the so-called logical explanation about Zygmunt being held
29:20
Speaker 2: captive by Laska's husband, it has more holes in it
29:23
Speaker 2: than the aliens theory, because if aliens abducted him and
29:26
Speaker 2: beamed him down into the coal pile, that makes a
29:28
Speaker 2: lot more sense than someone causing his death and disposing
29:31
Speaker 2: of his body in that fashion.
29:33
Speaker 1: And we always talk about, I think we have to
29:36
Speaker 1: apply it to ourselves as podcasters too, but we always
29:39
Speaker 1: talk about investigators and how regardless of what evidence is presented,
29:43
Speaker 1: we can't have these preconceived ideas or notions or get
29:46
Speaker 1: panel vision on what something should be. We have to
29:50
Speaker 1: look at the evidence and see what is the most
29:52
Speaker 1: probable outcome based on the evidence. And we're really, you know,
29:56
Speaker 1: following Occam's razor here. and the simplest explanation after everything
30:01
Speaker 1: else has been eliminated is literally aliens.
30:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to find that with too many cases.
30:05
Speaker 2: I don't think I've covered many mysteries where that is
30:08
Speaker 2: the most logical explanation, but this definitely does qualify. But
30:12
Speaker 2: I also wanted to mention a website called The Iron Skeptic,
30:15
Speaker 2: which is run by a guy named Aaron Sakalich, and
30:18
Speaker 2: most of the time he tries to come up with
30:20
Speaker 2: logical explanations for some of the most infamous cases. UFO
30:23
Speaker 2: and paranormal cases out there, and he did a write-up
30:26
Speaker 2: about Zygmunt Adamski, and I don't think he completely debunked
30:30
Speaker 2: the idea that he was abducted by aliens, but he
30:32
Speaker 2: came up with an interesting analogy here. Sakalich recounted a
30:36
Speaker 2: story about how he once went out drinking on a
30:38
Speaker 2: rainy night and became separated from his friends, so he
30:41
Speaker 2: decided to go into an alley and climb into a
30:44
Speaker 2: dumpster to hide from the rain, but became so intoxicated
30:47
Speaker 2: that he wound up falling asleep in there. But Sacklich
30:50
Speaker 2: said that if he had somehow died that night of
30:53
Speaker 2: natural causes while inside the dumpster, his body likely would
30:56
Speaker 2: have been transported to a garbage dump somewhere before he
30:59
Speaker 2: was found, and since no one would have known his
31:01
Speaker 2: reasons for climbing into the dumpster in the first place,
31:04
Speaker 2: people would automatically assume the worst about his death and
31:07
Speaker 2: dream up weird conspiracy theories such as him being abducted
31:10
Speaker 2: and deposited as a garbage dump by aliens, So it's
31:14
Speaker 2: kind of the same thing here, where it's like, if
31:18
Speaker 2: Zygmunt Adamski decided to go and get drunk somewhere and
31:21
Speaker 2: then passed out in the coal yard, then people would
31:23
Speaker 2: come up with a whole bunch of weird theories involving aliens.
31:27
Speaker 2: But the big problem is, with Zygmunt, there was no
31:30
Speaker 2: alcohol found in his system, as far as I know.
31:32
Speaker 2: There's no logical explanation for how he jumped up on
31:34
Speaker 2: the coal yard. So even though Aaron Sacklich, like, experienced
31:37
Speaker 2: this weird thing where he could have wound up in
31:39
Speaker 2: a dump, in, like, a garbage dump, that doesn't debunk
31:42
Speaker 2: the idea that Zygmunt could have encountered something alien or paranormal.
31:46
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Aaron, but if I heard that your
31:51
Speaker 1: body was found in a garbage dump and your blood
31:54
Speaker 1: alcohol was double the legal limit... My first thought would
31:57
Speaker 1: be you climbed into a garbage bin to get away
31:59
Speaker 1: from the weather and you fell asleep. That would literally
32:02
Speaker 1: be my first thought. It wouldn't be aliens dumped you there.
32:05
Speaker 1: Whereas this pile of coal, there is no trucks dumping
32:09
Speaker 1: coal there on a very regular basis. Where would he
32:12
Speaker 1: be falling asleep in a pit of coal and then
32:15
Speaker 1: he's dumped on this thing? He'd be covered in coal
32:18
Speaker 1: dust and there would be evidence of this, but yet
32:20
Speaker 1: his clothes don't have any coal dust on it. It
32:22
Speaker 1: doesn't compute and I'm sorry for your experience falling asleep
32:26
Speaker 1: in the garbage, Aaron, but I just don't think it's
32:29
Speaker 1: the same thing and I don't think that it discredits
32:32
Speaker 1: or it gives any less credence to the potential that
32:37
Speaker 1: there could have been aliens and that this theory is
32:41
Speaker 1: a lot more valid in this specific instance here because
32:44
Speaker 1: there is no evidence really to support any other conclusion.
32:48
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's definitively aliens, just that it is
32:50
Speaker 1: the most likely conclusion based on the evidence.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of funny that you remember when
32:55
Speaker 2: we covered the Jack Wheeler case, which was another one
32:58
Speaker 2: where a guy was found in a garbage dump, and
33:00
Speaker 2: they pretty much concluded he was having like a mental
33:03
Speaker 2: health episode, probably with bipolar disorder, and probably climbed into
33:06
Speaker 2: the dumpster to keep warm, and then accidentally wound up
33:09
Speaker 2: being crushed when the garbage was collected. And of course,
33:12
Speaker 2: people have tried to come up with conspiracy theories surrounding that,
33:15
Speaker 2: how he, because he worked for the government, someone murdered
33:18
Speaker 2: him and put him there. But the When you find
33:20
Speaker 2: someone in a garbage dump, there's only one logical explanation
33:23
Speaker 2: for how they wound up there, and it's much different
33:26
Speaker 2: than winding up at the top of a coal pile
33:28
Speaker 2: in a railroad yard after being missing for five days.
33:32
Speaker 2: And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you once
33:33
Speaker 2: share a story on this podcast about an incident where
33:36
Speaker 2: many years ago you were drunk and passed out in
33:38
Speaker 2: a yard that you had no connection to and said
33:41
Speaker 2: that if you had been found dead, people would be
33:43
Speaker 2: coming up with all sorts of weird explanations for how
33:45
Speaker 2: you got there?
33:47
Speaker 1: I fell asleep on somebody's porch. This was like, oh
33:50
Speaker 1: my God, like 15 years ago or something. And I
33:53
Speaker 1: was so drunk and I was mad at my boyfriend
33:56
Speaker 1: at the time, walked away from the club that we
33:58
Speaker 1: were at, had no idea where I was or the
34:02
Speaker 1: area or anything. And then I woke up on somebody's
34:05
Speaker 1: porch and it was shocking at that moment because how
34:09
Speaker 1: could I have possibly let myself get to this point?
34:12
Speaker 1: And if I died, if something happened, there would be
34:16
Speaker 1: all of these weird explanations for it, for sure, because
34:19
Speaker 1: how did I get from point A to point B?
34:21
Speaker 1: I literally could not tell you.
34:23
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's the problem with this case as well,
34:26
Speaker 2: is we don't know how Zygmunt got from point A
34:28
Speaker 2: to point B, but we have no indication that he
34:30
Speaker 2: was drinking, so I do not think he wound up
34:32
Speaker 2: at that railroad yard 25 miles away on his own accord.
34:36
Speaker 2: So sadly, it sounds like the investigation is at a standstill,
34:39
Speaker 2: and I do think that unless the government decides to
34:42
Speaker 2: release all the files of the inquest and the investigation
34:45
Speaker 2: and all the transcripts, we may never be able to
34:47
Speaker 2: figure out what happened here. And like I said, if
34:49
Speaker 2: this was just a simple explanation where Zygmunt died of
34:53
Speaker 2: a misadventure, why would they be so secretive about not
34:56
Speaker 2: releasing this to the public? So it makes me think
34:58
Speaker 2: that they uncovered something, I don't know if it was aliens,
35:01
Speaker 2: that made them think we have to withhold this for
35:03
Speaker 2: as long as possible. And unfortunately, it just has caused
35:06
Speaker 2: us to be surrounded in mystery, because there really doesn't
35:09
Speaker 2: seem to be any logical, earthbound explanation for how Zygmunt
35:13
Speaker 2: wound up there. I mean, I've tried hard, racking my
35:15
Speaker 2: brain to think of it, and the only way it
35:18
Speaker 2: really makes sense is like something supernatural that we can't explain,
35:22
Speaker 2: aliens or something, like an alien abducting him, holding him
35:25
Speaker 2: in captivity for days, and then dropping him off after
35:28
Speaker 2: he suffered a heart attack on that coal pile, and
35:31
Speaker 2: That's why this remains like one of the most baffling
35:33
Speaker 2: mysteries I've ever seen, where, like I said at the beginning,
35:36
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it was aliens, but if it
35:38
Speaker 2: wasn't aliens, then the real explanation is much weirder.
35:42
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. And I think the whole
35:46
Speaker 1: family member held him captive for days in the shed
35:51
Speaker 1: is given a lot less credence because of the way
35:54
Speaker 1: that the officials choose to handle the case. They wouldn't
35:58
Speaker 1: if this was in fact what happened, they wouldn't be
36:00
Speaker 1: classifying everything, holding an inquest and not having Godfrey and
36:04
Speaker 1: the original investigators speak at this inquest and then classifying
36:08
Speaker 1: the results. So to me, that speaks to something more mysterious.
36:14
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean that it's aliens, but like exactly
36:17
Speaker 1: what you said, if it's not aliens, then the explanation
36:20
Speaker 1: eludes us because I don't really see any other possibilities
36:23
Speaker 1: here that logical reasoning would be able to encompass. I cannot,
36:31
Speaker 1: for the life of me, think of how he got
36:34
Speaker 1: onto that planet. coal pile, why his clothes would be
36:37
Speaker 1: in the state that they're in. I mean, the Moxibustion
36:40
Speaker 1: could explain the corrosive wounds, egg-shaped ones that were found
36:44
Speaker 1: on him and the ointment, the mugwort ointment. So that
36:48
Speaker 1: seems to be like, that's a plausible explanation there and
36:51
Speaker 1: not such a great mystery. I just, I cannot see
36:55
Speaker 1: a world where he would have been able to get
36:57
Speaker 1: onto that coal pile without getting coal dust all over
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Speaker 1: him and without leaving footprints on the coal. It points
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Speaker 1: to aliens and This is the one case where I
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Speaker 1: can not definitively say, but say that if speaking in probabilities,
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Speaker 1: that in my opinion, the highest probability outcome based on
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Speaker 1: the evidence is aliens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this may be the only Pathwind Chili case where
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Speaker 2: we ever say this. I mean, we remember we did
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Speaker 2: the Frederick Valentich case many years ago. And in that one,
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Speaker 2: you could say, well, he crashed his plane into the
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Speaker 2: ocean and they still haven't found him. But here, there
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Speaker 2: really is no logical earthbound explanation, and I really don't
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Speaker 2: buy the explanation about him being kidnapped by the family
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Speaker 2: members and held captive. So what else can we say
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Speaker 2: but aliens? So any further thoughts on the death of
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Speaker 2: Zygmunt Adamski?
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Speaker 1: No, I think that pretty much sums it up. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for sharing this one with me. It was really enlightening.
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Speaker 1: I do think that I heard of it, but probably...
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Speaker 1: only just like the basic details. Maybe I listened to
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Speaker 1: your episode a few years ago and so it just
37:57
Speaker 1: isn't fresh in my mind, but I love any case
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Speaker 1: that involves the potential that there was aliens and obviously
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Speaker 1: there's nothing, it appears that there's nothing nefarious, that he
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Speaker 1: wasn't murdered, that Zygmunt wasn't murdered. So if he had
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Speaker 1: a heart attack while being abducted, that would be, you know,
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Speaker 1: there would be foul play involved in some capacity, but
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that's what happened here. So it is
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Speaker 1: a case that I could, I would only wish that
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Speaker 1: the family would have more information on because that is
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Speaker 1: who's truly suffering here when things are classified and authorities
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Speaker 1: aren't really playing ball with regards to sharing of information.
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Speaker 1: So they deserve to know what happened to him. And
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Speaker 1: that just doesn't appear that that was the case. And
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Speaker 1: for that reason, I'm truly sorry for their experience.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you can't forget that even though we have
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Speaker 2: all this talk about aliens and paranormal stuff, that a
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Speaker 2: man legitimately did die here and his family never got
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Speaker 2: conclusive answers. And that's the tragedy about the whole thing
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Speaker 2: and why this still deserves to be investigated and they
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Speaker 2: deserve to find out the actual truth about what occurred.
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Speaker 2: So that about brings an end to our series on
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Speaker 2: the death of Zygmunt Adamski, our first Halloween-themed episode of
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Speaker 2: the month. Thank you so much for joining us. And
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Speaker 2: because we still have a couple more weeks left in October,
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Speaker 2: our next episode will be another Halloween-themed case. So be
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Speaker 2: sure to join us then. So see you again next week.
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Speaker 3: Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit
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Speaker 3: about the Trail Went Cold Patreon?
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Speaker 2: Yes, the Trail Went Cold Patreon has been around for
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Speaker 2: three years now, and we also... the standard... bonus features
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Speaker 1: Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy.