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gaylor state of the union ft. sidney! · gasp! the pod

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Conservatives that are like, Oh my God, that's just like me.
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I wear a weird Plaid skirt with my stupid boyfriend.
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And so welcome gaspers to gasp.
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The pod, the podcast for the gays, the girls and especially
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the gay girls. Today we have a very special
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guest, someone that I've been trying to get on this pod, but
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our schedules have been conflicting for the last like 3
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months. So glad we're finally like
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recording it. Today we're going to be talking
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about Hedlers and Sydney and talking about how he became a
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Gaylord. We're going to talk about like
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Gaylord stuff, predictions that we think are going to happen,
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like after the iHeartRadio ghosting situation and just kind
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of doing like a catch up because the last few months have been
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eerily silent from Taylor. We'll talk about like what we
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think that means. Before we get into any topic or
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subject, I wanted to just do like a few little admin updates
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Yeah, I think those are all my updates.
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I wanted to give Sydney the floor for a second and introduce
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himself, like, so you guys can follow his socialist etcetera,
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etcetera. But I know that I first saw
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Sydney's content, like, I think like October of this past year.
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And it was you like, maniacally laughing about like, Sabrina
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Carpenter, you know, her being gay.
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And you were like, Oh my God. I was like, OK, this is like one
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of the funniest people alive and I need to know him.
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So Cindy, introduce yourself. Thank you so much for joining
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the pod. OK, I see I have seen your
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content. Like the moment I had my Gaylord
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awakening. What's good everybody?
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My name is Cindy Baker Green. If you have not seen me on
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TikTok, my handle there is at Sydney B Green.
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You can also find me on Instagram.
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That's going to be at Sydney Baker Green and that's basically
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how you find me. If you just Google Sydney Baker
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Green all my socials should pop up and that's Sid in EY.
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Amazing. Sydney, tell me how you got into
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gaylorism. I'm interested because it
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happened kind of like middle of the tour, right?
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Yes, it happened after my show in LA.
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So I'm going to take you back to just how like my evolution
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through Taylor Swift, right? And I love that it's the podcast
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'cause I get to keep it real. I can say whatever words I want
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to say and I don't have to worry about like getting blocked.
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That's the whole benefit of a podcast.
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Oh my fucking God. And Hitler's today too, because
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we don't have to worry about like, framing it in a way so
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that they don't block our shit. Exactly.
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Let's take it back to like 2005. No, not 2005. 2007, late 2007,
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early 2008. I was in fifth grade and it was
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in choir. And these two girls who I could
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not stand, I guess Mariah's OK, but it's Tanner and Mariah.
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They would always do the duet and it was they would sing our
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song, right. But I finally went and listened
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to the song on my own and it kind of grew on me.
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Like I'm not a country person for the most part.
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Like I like Beyoncé's country, but that's just because it's
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giving me old Negro spiritual vibes and it connects me back to
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the roots. But I was listening to our song.
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I'm like, OK, I can kind of get down with this.
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And so that was the first song I heard.
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I think I listened to Love Story off of Fearless.
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For the most part, it was just the singles.
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I did not like Speak Now until after the era's tour.
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So crucify me if y'all want to, but now it's one of my favorite
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albums. Actually.
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Speak Now, Taylor's version. Love that.
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Then we go into Red. The singles for Red hit with me.
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I did not like the rest of Red for the most part because again,
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I'm not really a country person. 1989, it was this Polaroid and
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I'm like, OK, I like this. This is different.
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This is alternative. I was the very first album I'd
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listened to all the way through. It was the very first out of all
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the music I'd ever listened to. 1989 from start to finish was
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it. So I'm liking this.
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Our reputation comes out. I love it.
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Now, here's where things get interesting.
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Lover comes out. Now, if you remember, this is
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around the same time that all the companies started becoming
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black for Black History Month during February gave her pride
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Month. And it just felt very
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commercial. Yeah.
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My initial thought when Lover came out and I was listening
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like, Shay never made anybody less gay.
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And I was looking at the music video.
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I'm like, OK, Taylor, you have business.
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I see. Like, I don't know why you doing
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all this? This is kind of weird, like this
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weird energy, but whatever. I didn't look much past it
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because my experience as a black man is companies and celebrities
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are going to get their money, they're going to Co-op something
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and whatever, It's fun. Yeah, that makes sense.
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And so we get into the folklore and Evermore eras after that
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because the pandemic started. Didn't like Evermore.
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It's still not my favorite album and I know all the lesbians
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going to kill me for saying that.
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But they are going to kill you. They're.
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Going to kill me. I don't know.
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I know it's not necessarily for me to begin with anyway.
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There's some songs on there that I like.
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Of course, though, like the songs on the Errors tour set
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list. Those are my favorite on the
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album. I digress.
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Midnight's drops. And my first thought is, oh, OK,
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Taylor, we've stood up on our two feet.
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Now we're off our knees. We're not begging these men to,
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like, pay attention to us. We're who don't want to be
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married. You said it in lavender haze.
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You said it in midnight rain. Feels like you're in this
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healthy point where you've gone through therapy and now you're
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processing it. And you don't need validation
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from other people. Yeah, she's like, I'm grown and
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I'm not going to be begging for this guy to love me, but it did
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feel like all of that kind of went to shit and TV.
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We did in there and then she announced the concert, right?
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And my mom was like, Sydney, you should go to the concert.
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You really like Taylors music? I'm like, I don't do concerts
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like that. Mind you, the Airs tour was my
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first concert. I told her.
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I will let you. Yes, it was my very first
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concert ever, I told her. Oh my God, you're never gonna
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enjoy a concert again. She got me in the pre sale for
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the last night of Los Angeles. I didn't know anything about the
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Eras Tour. I didn't really watch much.
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I didn't know what it was going to be.
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I didn't even know the significance of Los Angeles.
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I was part of no clown theories. Always listen to Taylor's music
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and this is what really got me here.
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Through the lens of just like listening to what she's saying.
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We always respected her for her songwriting and her ability to
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tell a story. Let's point out me and you are
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at this concert together, unknowingly with Karlie Kloss.
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You know what, if I would have known what Gangler is, I would
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have showed my black ass so hard y'all wouldn't have been able to
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contain. I go to the concert and I was
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just like whoa, like the somebody gave me a friendship
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bracelet, which I still have an environment just felt so awesome
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and I just followed in love with the Eras tour.
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I came home and I'm listening to Maroon and all I hear is this,
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she says. The lips I used to call home.
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So scarlet it was. And I'm like, none of them know.
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Upper lip having white men that she's dated have scarlet red
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lips. Yeah, they're actually very
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pale. I'm like, huh, That's
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interesting, right? I see Travis Kelce's name start
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to appear. Is she trying to get herself
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cancelled to release? What I thought right?
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Overexposed. Like I was realizing it to begin
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with. Right.
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The article had just dropped about her and Beyoncé having the
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best tours. Taylor Swift was officially a
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billionaire and when that article talked about her being a
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billionaire it's like her limelight in the the the media
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like blew up after the 1989 Taylor's version.
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And like time, Person of the year.
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So she was getting all this media coverage.
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And so I thought the Travis Kelce thing was like, like, I
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off the bat, without even knowing about Gayler, I'm like,
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this is a stunt. So we continue to go through the
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Eras Tour and she like Travis Kelsey gets louder and louder.
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She does Karma is the guy on the Chiefs.
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And the entire time I'm just confused.
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So I'm like, if this was like my big moment, why would I ever tie
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it to somebody who I could break up with?
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It would mar the the moment for me if I let you in that quickly
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to something so big, to somebody so new into this equation so
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quickly and so boldly and so upfront, knowing the attention
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of the fans. I'm like, something still isn't
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semen right here. So this is when the wheels are
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turning. Shortly after that, TTPD drops.
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All I'm going off of is what the fans are saying.
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I'm not a gaylar yet. Not really.
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I'm associating with the fandom a little because I just want
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reputation. That's my album.
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And then the era's tour came back in Europe with the TTPD
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set, and when the I Can Do It with a Broken Heart came on,
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those men picked her up in suits, stripped her down and
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forced her to perform. I'm just like seeing that even
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General Sookie were like, that's so sad that she was feeling like
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she had to do all that came out in the lesbian bodysuit.
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Now you're seeing Gaylord content.
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I've seen game of content, but I don't know it's game of content
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because all of y'all were cryptic and scared that y'all
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were going to get hate card with the comments.
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So nobody was saying the loud part, the quiet part out loud.
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I was struggling in the comments.
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I'm like OK, So what does this mean?
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And somebody commented if you don't know that you don't need
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to know. And I'm like what?
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Wait, you're just. I want to know like I want to
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know. She comes out in that lesbian
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bodysuit and my friend Sarah texts me, I love Sarah to death,
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she says, not Taylor Swift coming out in the lesbian
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bodysuit. And I said, girl, you tripping
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you what you on like whatever. About a day or three later,
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after watching a couple more shows, I sat with that and I
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literally said to myself, how many other times have you done
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the same thing where you just kind of brush off that with
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Taylor Swift? Yeah, and you're like.
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My brain immediately went back to how you get the girl because
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I remember hearing that song in 2014 and being like, oh, she's
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singing this from the man's perspective.
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And I just asked myself, what if she wasn't?
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Oh, wait, you also did this with the Lover era.
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When I went back and watched me and when I kind of just looked
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at it and started doing more research on it, I'm like, wait a
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minute, no, this, this, all this makes a lot more sense now.
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I would just listen to songs and I would hear the things.
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I'm like, that ain't straight, That ain't straight.
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That ain't straight either. You once you like have that
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perspective in your head when you're reading her lyrics or
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listening to it, it changes everything.
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And it's because it's so crazy because like it seems so obvious
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with that perspective in your mind going back and listening to
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it. But like, if you are not
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thinking she could be gay, you know what I mean?
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You you could make excuses for everything, but how many things
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can add up before it's just an entire story about her
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sexuality? Exactly, but even when she had
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came out with it's nice to have a friend in Dorothea, I remember
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like, Oh my, all the gaylors are freaking out and I just started
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freaking out because I'm like, oh, crowd freak out.
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We're going to freak out real quick, even though I learned so
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many things by uncle being a Gayl.
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And then I'm like, Oh, you did that with that doing that, like
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everything started to just the domino skated in a line for me.
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But when she two things happened when she did Travis Kelsey on
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stage, when she brought him on stage, I was like, oh, snap,
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this is some this has to do something with reputation,
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because you look at I did something bad.
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The song everybody was clowning for and it really does fit
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Travis Kelsey perfectly. Like his ex girlfriends call him
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a narcissist. The NFL people in the NFL call
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him a narcissist. It's not something taboo to say.
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Like don't get mad at me, get mad at barstools and everybody
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else and all the NFL tabloids saying he needs to be suspended
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for his behavior. I don't know how you can yell at
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an old man on national TV in the Super Bowl, scare him, and
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people not think bad things about you.
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But apparently everybody's a bootlicker and they're weak in
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the knees and they'll defend things because they want to.
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It is. Filed the crowd dismissal of all
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of these things that Travis Kelsey have done that's has done
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that's more than an ick that is all of these microaggressions.
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It's like, OK, so you're going to be like you're happy that
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Trump is there. You're going to scream at your
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coaches face. You're going to express all of
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these anger issue problems. And as you said, it is really
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lining up to be like Tom Hiddleston, this overexposure
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character that all of a sudden she meets him one month later,
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she's meeting his mom. She's going on this worldwide
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tour around Europe very similar to her heirs to her with Travis
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and boom, reputation comes out. You did something bad.
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You broke up with him. I totally agree.
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It lines up for her to break up with him.
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No 100% and I think I can't get over Trump comment because that
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was like y'all you have a right to think what you want to think
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but realistically pick a side right?
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Because you can't sit here, look at Reputation Stadium Tour and
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see how Taylor Swift was very emotional about her sexual
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assault and being believed, right?
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Right. And to then go around and be
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like her boyfriend had to say her boyfriend had to say this
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because his owners like Trump and whatever and this is his job
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and whatnot. When this is literally the
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person that has attacked you, sicked his mob of half a million
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Americans on you. And then after that mean all you
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swifties look like fools because she got booed at the stadium.
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And then he goes and double S down on his tweet and all of
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y'all are like. There is.
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There's definitely PR involved in the NFL.
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Whatever it is, you do not have to say you are happy Trump is
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attending the game. What you can say is no comment.
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I don't care who's in the stands.
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I'm just excited to play and have my family there.
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It is ridiculous how they are defending that.
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He says he's excited and happy. I forget what word he used, but
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along those lines. They honor.
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One word that is bizarre. You would think they're they
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Hitler's like like we can segue into Hitler's now.
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You would think because they're so hell bent on defending Taylor
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Swift from anything and being like that's disgusting.
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That's an appropriate stop talking about her, whatever.
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But right when it comes to someone actually talking about
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her bully, regardless of politics, her bully, it's what
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is he supposed to do? Defend her?
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What? The same way y'all be coming for
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our throats on the Internet. Defend her.
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Yeah, for real. The enemy, not Trump.
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Exactly. Yeah, they they become to with
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us harmless queers thinking she's queer.
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That is not even close to the energy they bring towards
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conservatives or people like talking about her in like the a
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gross sexual way that gaylors never talk about.
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And that's where, really, the Gaylord awakening kept getting
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stronger too. Because, and this is where we
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get into the era of me cussing people out.
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Yes. And this is when we started
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having phone calls because I would get a text message being
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like, can I call you one second? And I'm like, hell yes.
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First time we talked I can't I remember you texted me on
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TikTok. You messed me on TikTok and I
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gave you my number because I barely look at DMS. I can't even
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remember what the 1st. Conversation.
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I don't know, but then you. But then we called and we we
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were talking about like reputation for like an hour and
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we were talking about how fucking disgusting hetlers can
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be with their sexual innuendos being like truth dare, Yeah.
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Truth Dare, Scouts Honor, and I think we come at Gaylord saying
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that we were sexualizing her, failing to realize that they're
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just illiterate and if they have a problem with that, not that
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they know what that word necessarily means.
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The the issue here is that sexualization isn't saying I'm
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listening to Taylor Swift's lyrics and that she she could be
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queer. Sexualization if they couldn't
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get it was what Joe Coy did when not Joe Coy when Joe Coy made
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that joke about Taylor Swift being on the TV on the NFL and
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like, you know, she made that scowl at the Golden Globe that
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LA newscaster unnecessarily brought up the fact that this
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was an argument that her and Taylor that her and Travis Kelce
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had in the bedroom. That right there sexualization.
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You made a situation sexual when it didn't need to be sexual,
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saying double standard that you would have there when you would
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watch, you know, tik toks get 300,000 likes because Travis
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Kelce has big hands. They'd be like what in the
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scouts honor? And I want to pull up the
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receipts with this too because I got all the screenshots on my
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phone but I'm just like y'all don't be.
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You realize this play is about you.
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You there's this idea that Taylor Swift has said she's
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straight multiple times. Lie to Taylor Swift has said
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that she doesn't like gaylors Not true what she had.
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What has she said? She has said stop talking about
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me getting married, which they do consistently and then two
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like I am more than a one night. So she in that same sentence,
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she's saying don't be be obsessed with like me getting
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married and then also stop sexualizing me.
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And she's been very outspoken about like I'm an independent
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woman, like I'm more than my relationship, whatever.
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And yet the fans that are coming at us, they're the ones being
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called in. They're the Sarahs and the
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Hannahs and the Sunday Best and the ones sexualizing them at the
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same time. And that's where I got to the
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point where I'm like, TTPD is about the fans, but then I'm
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also like, who do y'all think Lavender Haze is about?
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Because you're the only person that cares about Taylor Swift in
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her relationship. Swifties the rest of the world
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do not give. Anyway, whole point is is that
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when you look at those songs, like she's obviously talking
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about her fandom. Why does she say he wanted a
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bride? I was making my own name.
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I guess sometimes we all get just what we wanted.
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She doesn't want to be a bride. Want to be a bride?
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Why was she turning down marriage proposals and champagne
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problems but then in less than a year want to get married and run
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off with Travis Kelsey and have baby everything like that?
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Like if all of this is true, like they're saying, like she
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wants marriage so desperately, which she has repeatedly said
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she does not, why wouldn't she have like taken Joe Allen on a
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red carpet? Like why hasn't he taken Travis
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Kelsey on a red carpet? Why hasn't she taken anyone on a
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red carpet? She will be in public with these
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people, but not when it like comes to her own like work.
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Like why is Travis Halsey not an award show?
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They won't answer that question. And that brings us to
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iHeartRadio Music Awards, which would be comical if she even
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like had a red carpet debut with him at the iHeartRadio Music
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Awards, which is just hilarious. And I literally had someone in
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my comment section be like, where else would she have
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debuted him? I'm like every like any other
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award show that she's been to in the last two years, which is
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pretty much all of them all the in the last two years and she's
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been dating Travis Kelsey for two years.
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He doesn't have practice every single goddamn day.
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So it's like there's a reason why she's being public with him
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in the ways that benefit her. He doesn't want him to be in a
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red carpet picture with her. With respect to the iHeartRadio
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Awards, that was intentional, that was purposeful, that was a
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message, and it was the same message.
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I think the reason why a lot of gaylords get excited was because
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it's the same message that happened at the Heiress tour
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with the surprise song set, and you look at all of the stuff
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that was leading up to that by big creators talking about.
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This is why I think she's going to debut him at the red carpet.
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This is why I think that that, you know, reputation or debut is
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coming like they were clowning for all these things.
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They hyped it. She didn't just not release it.
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She she didn't show up. And the ghosting aspect is
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something that gaylors have been saying.
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We're waiting for the ghosting to happen now.
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The ghosting could have happened with many different people.
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It could have happened because she kept the Prince or she
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ghosted the Prince, but kept the cast cast that was burning down.
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So she could have ghosted the Prince.
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Or it could also be that the Prince in this case was
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necessary was the fandom as well, and that.
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She boasted them and stopped giving them everything.
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And pretty much after she won the talent show of the Arvis
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Tour and did the Super Bowl stuff.
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You ain't heard nothing from her.
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You ain't You've gotten a couple of things here.
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You've gotten a couple of murder drops.
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She's taking your money, but she hasn't really said hi to you.
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She she's hosting the. Fans.
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So she does that, she goes and then she gives them a song to
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where basically she could have introduced it with this is a
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song about how much it sucks to be famous.
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It's a repeat of the same story that she's told on the Eras
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Tour, which is you're only seeing exactly what you want to
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see from me. It's the loudest that I'm just
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giving you the fairy tale, the straight fan fiction that you
21:02
want it for so long, but the end is near.
21:06
Show you what you want. I can show you your dream and
21:10
your fairy tale. I can show you lies.
21:13
And this is a cycle that's been going on continuously.
21:17
And then she showed it in Mirror Ball.
21:19
It's so random and like it's, it's funny because straight
21:23
Swifties and beyond straight Swifties headlers are so focused
21:27
on this idea that like she's talking about the fans.
21:30
Sometimes they've caught on to this idea.
21:32
They're like, oh, she's talking about the fans, but they don't
21:34
realize the fucking play is about them.
21:36
It's not like, thank you, but this is hard.
21:39
It's you're ruining my life. Oh, exactly?
21:42
Yeah. And she was like the heiress to
21:45
her is the hardest thing I've ever done beyond hard work.
21:48
I think it's because she was playing this person that wasn't
21:52
her, and she's getting tired of having to put on the play of a
21:58
whole other person. They're like, oh, I'm sure she's
22:01
tired. And it's like, Oh my God, she's
22:03
tired of like your brain rot. She can be thankful for her
22:07
fans. She can be thankful and love
22:09
them for what they've allowed her to have and at the same time
22:13
be like fame is ruining me. The front that I have to put on
22:18
to keep this level is ruining me.
22:20
The front that I've had to put on to get here.
22:23
The biting of my tongue. The not being who I truly want
22:25
to be. This carefully curated image to
22:28
keep you coming back for more. To keep you wanting more music,
22:31
which is basically heart breaks of my life to keep feeding you
22:35
that. Yeah, is like hurt herself in
22:39
order to keep the level of fame. And that's what I've always
22:43
thought that the errors to her and her doing all these re
22:47
records. I and I still kind of feel this
22:50
way, but also I kind of feel like I'm still have no idea what
22:53
she's going to do next, but I feel like she's on her last
22:57
hurrah of of Taylor Swift, corporate Taylor Swift.
23:02
She's like I'm going to re record all my albums.
23:04
I'm going to do this final eras to her.
23:06
I'm going to do the final fairy tale romance, the the completion
23:11
of what everyone wanted from me. And if you go back and watch
23:15
Miss Americana, I don't understand if people don't get
23:17
it. But like, she's very clearly
23:19
being like, I only have a few more years left to do, like be
23:24
at the peak. She's very focused on success,
23:26
too. And I think she knows she can
23:28
only be at the peak if she is this corporate Taylor Swift.
23:32
And I think that she's trying to do everything she can, savor the
23:36
moment and hopefully let go of what corporate Taylor Swift is
23:41
and like, be herself. Question mark.
23:44
And I feel like I'm getting that from mirror ball too, because
23:46
it's like when the circus comes down, when even when the air is
23:49
tour is over, she's still kind of in this phase where she still
23:54
has to please the fans. And it's not just a performance
23:57
on stage, it's a performance of like her image.
24:01
Fans will be like, well, why would she lie to us?
24:03
And I question that word lie, OK, Don't look at it like lying.
24:07
If you're somebody watching this who doesn't like gaylorism.
24:09
I think we all agree Taylor Sote has an amazing publicist tree
24:12
pain, right? We agree with that, right?
24:15
And we know people, Swift manages her image very well,
24:19
right? They know that Tree Pain is an
24:22
amazing publicist, but in the same breath they will say why
24:25
does she need PR? So I think the problem is that
24:27
people see her as a personal brand and not a corporate brand.
24:31
So would you say Taylor Swift acts more like Charlie D'amelio
24:37
or would you say she acts more like Tide?
24:42
Right. Right.
24:43
Who do you think? Great comparison.
24:45
When you look at that aspect, it's like, OK, now you can
24:48
realize what she's doing is marketing to you.
24:50
In the same way that Tide has their target audience of
24:55
suburban white soccer moms with two kids who drive a van.
24:59
When their kids play sports and they get grass stains on their
25:01
shirt, what type of music do they want to hear?
25:04
Yes, she's changed her sound, but her stories are the same.
25:09
Even in her searing, songs that I do think are very searing but
25:14
are the ones that are more marketable are like I did
25:17
Something bad. And kind of like these
25:20
Midnight's Karma songs, they're still within a box of reason
25:25
where if you're conservative or a little bit more traditional,
25:29
you could be OK with that. The songs that she's really
25:33
having these deep criticisms where I feel like you're able to
25:36
kind of like understand her brain a lot more.
25:39
They're like Cassandra and like the prophecy and like some
25:45
folklore stuff where aren't getting as much attention.
25:49
They're like kind of hidden. And these are the songs that are
25:52
like. Family, the pure greed, The
25:53
Christian chorus line. And no one listens to that song.
25:57
I do, but like, they're not fucking listening to that.
26:00
And I want a whole album of her being so fucking for real.
26:04
And I feel like she's slowly starting to maybe incorporate
26:07
some more honesty her ending the errors to her on not this like
26:13
corporate high note. Everyone's going to drag me for
26:16
that and be like, how dare you criticize the her last night of
26:20
the errors to her, whatever. It's not criticizing, but you
26:24
can tell she was done. I was in Vancouver for the last
26:27
night. It did not hit like LA and it
26:29
didn't hit like the last night in London.
26:30
Anyway, the whole point was that that that show just was like, it
26:33
was nice to be in the stadium. It was nice to hear the music,
26:36
but you could definitely just feel like it was.
26:39
She did all the same outfits. She threw off everybody's
26:42
theories for the most part. If you were clowning for certain
26:45
things, she threw off the Gaylord theory.
26:46
She threw it all and it was just kind of like, I'm done.
26:49
Let me get on my jet, let me look like I'm going to Kansas
26:52
City, which I thought was like girls stand up.
26:54
But like the just the whole thing just kind of felt very
26:58
anticlimactic. And I'm not mad about it.
27:00
I was very happy to be there. I'm happy a lot more people got
27:03
to to to also let she opened up the stadium.
27:05
And I think in that regard, that's what makes it like, you
27:08
know, it's for her. She's like, I don't want to hear
27:11
any more of these theories. And then in this celebration,
27:14
this award of Bass Tour of the Century was her kind of being
27:19
like, this is this was so hard and I didn't think I could do
27:22
it. I think it's giving an
27:24
interesting reflection now looking back on it on like, is
27:28
this the fairy tale? Because when Hetlers hear her
27:32
say, I can, I can show you lies. They think that's only when she
27:36
was going through a breakup with Joe Allman.
27:38
They think that after that she was in pure bliss with Travis
27:42
Kelsey on the Heiress tour. She is saying to us the whole
27:46
Heiress tour was incredibly difficult and I think it's
27:50
beyond just her like physical. I mean, obviously it was very
27:54
physical to her, but it's like an emotional roller coaster of
27:59
her and she has to consistently feed people and give them what
28:03
they want on all ends of the spectrum.
28:05
She shut off her emotions. She on something else.
28:09
She got into character and gave the fans a show.
28:12
She gave pieces of herself so that people can have a good
28:15
time. So like after we heard from her
28:18
last week, talking about mirror ball and talking about heiress
28:20
to her, some people were saying like, I think she's going to
28:23
release reputation soon. She had the snake necklace.
28:26
What do you think is going to happen next?
28:28
Do you think she's going to continue to ghost us?
28:30
Do you think that she's going to continue to not have face
28:33
pictures of her and Travis together?
28:35
Like what are your predictions? You want to know what I want?
28:38
I want to know what you want and I want to know what you think.
28:41
I want her to never give them reputation.
28:43
I don't want them to ever give. I don't want to give them baby.
28:45
I'm OK with her declassifying it.
28:48
In 50 years, what do I think will happen?
28:50
Everybody's starving right now. The media is starving for Taylor
28:54
and Travis stories, the fans are starving for their Tavis
28:58
content. And I think everybody has a lot
29:01
of expectations and people are getting tired.
29:05
And I think the longer they go without hearing from Taylor and
29:09
seeing or getting any music or anything like that, I think the
29:13
harder a breakup will land. Because listen, I'm going to be
29:18
honest with you and I don't care what these Swifties want to say.
29:21
Anything else like that? Travis Kelsey has a type and
29:24
Taylor Swift has a type. And I'm not trying to be that
29:27
person. They can crucify me if they want
29:29
to. Travis Kelsey likes chocolate.
29:32
All he's ever dated was chocolate, that's all.
29:35
If he likes women. That's what I'm just saying.
29:39
That's always been kind of my mindset.
29:40
If people want to get mad at people saying that, they can get
29:42
mad at people saying that. I think that it's really hard to
29:45
look past that gold rose though at the Super Bowl because in the
29:49
sharing of clothes. But let's just let's just keep
29:51
it PG for for the people who are already probably offended by a
29:54
lot of the things that I've said.
29:55
No one's going to be offended because no one's listening to
29:58
this that doesn't already probably think that Ross and
30:01
Travis are dating. I totally see her dragging on
30:06
the reputation thing for so long because I feel like that's the
30:09
only thing that Hitler's and Swifties think about right now.
30:13
And I am a number one reputation stand.
30:16
Like it hit me when I was a sophomore in college.
30:20
It was like my self-proclaimed like Batty era.
30:23
I was like so obsessed. It's like my personality like it
30:26
became my everything. So don't get me wrong viewers
30:29
when I say like I love reputation.
30:31
I would be OK if it's dragged on longer because I feel like
30:35
that's the only thing Swifties are asking for right now and she
30:39
likes to not give people what they want sometimes.
30:42
It's like Taylor Swift is more than just reputation also and I
30:46
feel like they condense her down to the next album they want.
30:50
A lot of people think Debut was coming 1st, and I kind of pushed
30:52
back on that because like Taylor Swift's about her money and she
30:55
wants to be commercially successful.
30:57
I think that she's going to release reputation because the
30:59
vault tracks to fire. I think that's going to burn it
31:01
all down. I think that's the facade.
31:02
And then you got to ask the question, do you still want me,
31:05
Taylor Swift? Taylor's version?
31:06
Do you still want me, man? Love love.
31:10
I like debut coming last. I I love that idea because it
31:14
honestly, I was thinking and I think all a lot of gaylors agree
31:18
on this sentiment that you just said Rep vault tracks are going
31:22
to be some of her gayest and best tracks that she's ever
31:25
written. We know this because this there
31:28
was a longer time in between 1989 and reputation.
31:31
There's more time for her to make music.
31:32
Maybe she took some of the karma and put them into Rep vault
31:35
tracks. This is also when she's
31:37
supposedly dating Karlie Kloss, etcetera, etcetera.
31:39
I was under the assumption that if she releases that, that she's
31:42
going to release all these fans. So like there's no point of like
31:45
releasing anything else. So debut has to come first.
31:47
But I love the idea that it's testing if people are still with
31:52
her and her true self, like her first album, her innocence, her
31:59
like childhood after she burns it down with reputation and.
32:04
When you go back and look at it, if the reputation vault tracks
32:07
turn out to not just be loud and gayest, but just actually
32:10
straight up come down, say it and burn down the facade, right?
32:14
I go back to Guilty as Sin where she says my bed sheets were
32:17
ablaze. She's been using this fire in
32:20
the dream. She was using it with Wildest
32:22
Dreams. That kind of led into the Easter
32:24
eggs with TTPD. I think that TTPD was the litmus
32:28
test where it's like, if you're listening, then you're
32:31
listening. This is the morning warning,
32:33
right? That no one heard TTPD?
32:36
Was it because I cannot make any of those songs about a man?
32:39
When some of the stuff goes back to Red, it's funny.
32:41
Everybody was like, oh, mother was mad at us with this album
32:44
and then they forgot it when they could figure out a man to
32:46
point it to. All you want is Grey from me.
32:49
When she did her National Boyfriend Day collection, it was
32:52
Grey. It was, it was all the merch
32:54
that you had before all the stuff y'all probably buy,
32:57
bought. And she's like, by the way, here
32:59
it's here it is in Gray. You think I'm happy?
33:01
You're expecting this love album.
33:02
What did I give you? I'm telling you I'm sad.
33:05
I'm mad at you. I'm black and white.
33:07
I'm in beige graze. I have no color.
33:11
The colors out of her face, she is feeling no joy.
33:15
And they're like she's the happiest she's ever been.
33:18
It's psychotic. I feel like she's stuck in this
33:22
cycle of constantly creating another era of herself.
33:27
And I feel like Mirror Ball is showing that too, where she's
33:30
still constantly showing new facets of herself, like AKA eras
33:35
of herself that people can relate to.
33:38
And I feel like she's on this wheel and she needs to just jump
33:42
off completely and like no more eras and just like her.
33:48
Eating into grey. The air.
33:51
Is into Gray and I'm going to get someone back.
33:54
These eras have to fade into Gray because I'm getting someone
33:59
back. I have to let these eras go to
34:02
get you back. Like she can't be and get what
34:06
she needs in this cycle and like Cage that she's in.
34:11
The other thing that I think we were talking about that we
34:13
completely forgot we were talking about like 30 minutes
34:17
ago was I can show you lies. And we're talking about how
34:21
Hitler's are very scared about this idea that she's lying to,
34:24
to to them. They're like, well, she would
34:27
never lie to us, even though she's saying I can show you
34:31
lies. But I think that's a really
34:33
interesting like you were saying, like, what is the
34:35
definition of like lie? Is it really that bad of a
34:38
thing? We need to remember we don't
34:41
really know her. And what does lying mean?
34:46
Like queer people lie all the time.
34:48
I. Want to take that a little bit
34:50
deeper because I'm willing to make it something bad because
34:53
she's told you Mastermind was the laying of the foundation for
34:58
that and then she just comes out and straight up and says it.
35:02
Now, if the fans we all agree, right?
35:05
Gaylor or whatnot. Mastermind is a song about the
35:07
fans. And what does she use to
35:09
describe to herself? She says, no one want to play
35:12
with me as a little kid. So I've been scheming like a
35:16
criminal ever since to make them love me, to make it seem
35:19
effortless. Who is them?
35:20
The fans. Them is the fans.
35:22
She's been scheming to make you love her.
35:27
And that was the first time that she felt the need to confess.
35:29
And then she says I'm only cryptic and Machiavellian
35:32
because I care. She's been telling you to get
35:35
her dictionary. Your dictionary.
35:37
Machiavellian is someone who is cunning, manipulative, and
35:42
willing to use any means necessary to achieve their
35:47
goals. OK So what do you think she
35:48
knows about this word? Cunning and manipulative.
35:50
They're skilled at influencing others and using them to their
35:54
advantage. self-interest. They prioritize their own goals
35:57
and interest above everyone else.
35:59
And strategic. They are good at planning and
36:02
executing long term strategies to gain power.
36:04
The Machiavellian leader will climb that ladder quickly.
36:08
But you burned all your bridges just to get she goes on to I can
36:12
show you lies. It's not about she's not that
36:15
down bad about Maddie Healey girl.
36:17
He's been breaking up with men since I was in fifth grade.
36:20
She describes these men. This is one of the things that
36:22
you kind of brought up with. I did something bad.
36:24
Let's talk about hits different. Let's talk about my boy only
36:27
breaks his favorite toys. How does she describe men as
36:31
dolls, as kins, as playthings for her to?
36:34
You she is trying to get Swifties to think that she's the
36:40
victim and she's playing everyone.
36:43
She is not the victim anymore and just because she's like sad
36:47
and TTPD doesn't mean that she's this like child.
36:52
Like you said, she's Machiavellian, she's cunning,
36:53
she's manipulating people. Do we really think that she went
36:58
from reputation and how she's talking about men and several
37:03
albums later there's an entire TTPD about Maddie Healy, This
37:07
guy, she had a one month situation ship that destroyed
37:09
her so bad. Like she's kind of using this
37:12
like a power grab. That's why I think, listen, I
37:15
don't know what happened that maybe she couldn't come out in
37:17
some other like twist of fate of lover or her management or
37:23
fucking Scott Borchetta, Scooter Braun, who knows.
37:25
But I think we're missing a huge point here.
37:28
Not us, but other people that like she is playing a straight
37:33
Taylor Swift character to be the most powerful person in the
37:35
world and she's using this as the last shot she can.
37:39
This is the only way she can be as successful as she can as she
37:42
is. One of the things that you know,
37:45
manipulative and deceitful. One of the things that that's
37:48
able to do is she knows her target audience so well.
37:51
And I am I got to say this with love to any Hitler out there
37:55
who's watching this. Taylor Swift is not you.
37:57
Like if you continue to identify your grown ass adult
38:03
relationships with Taylor Swift lyrics baby, you are the
38:06
problem. Like I said, she uses these men.
38:09
Like you were just saying about manipulating her fans.
38:12
What is the number one thing we hear when news anchors or
38:17
anyone's talking about Taylor Stone, how iconic she is or
38:19
reporters or anything like that, What is an important thing they
38:22
say? She is so successful because she
38:25
is relatable and people relate to her lyrics.
38:29
Everyone's like I relate. I can see myself in that song.
38:32
She almost dresses. This is a theory that I really
38:36
like that she kind of dresses. Not even necessarily in the
38:39
price of her clothes because like it's so fucking expensive
38:42
for what? But she is intentionally like
38:44
not slaying so that she like looks relatable to people that
38:48
want, you know, suburban conservatives that are like, Oh
38:53
my God, that's just like me. I wear a weird Plaid skirt with
38:56
my stupid boyfriend and so relatable.
39:01
So she's intentionally giving people a looking glass like
39:05
mirror ball into a song into her songs so that they can feel like
39:10
they relate to it, but it's manipulative.
39:12
Is this really how she feels, or is it because she knows it's how
39:16
they feel and that they can see themselves in these songs?
39:20
Completely right, because there's no other reason for her
39:23
to create music that isn't relatable.
39:26
I don't think anybody thinks any other artist does this.
39:30
I think sometimes we listen to songs in that we think that
39:35
these are, I look at every artist this way, that these are
39:37
songs about their personal life and there may be some personal
39:40
aspects to it, but there is no relating to somebody in that
39:46
price class for the most part, maybe in some of their early
39:49
music, but as they they have rich people problems, they have
39:53
rich people things that they're dealing with.
39:55
And I think with love songs, I think people think, well,
39:57
everybody goes through love. It's all the same, but it's not
39:59
the same for them either. That's what I really like.
40:01
The New Romantics theory in general is that these people
40:04
are. To the industry and to even the
40:07
more powerful people expendable, they're manipulated and they're
40:11
used to just make other people money.
40:13
Just even how you brought up Taylor Swift dresses a certain
40:16
way. Taylor Swift got more money in
40:17
her pinky finger than most people have.
40:20
Like, yeah, she did some slays, like with respect to some.
40:23
Well, not all of them, but like when she would show up on the at
40:27
the Super Bowl and whatnot. But like Taylor, he has no
40:30
reason to dress that way. Most people don't dress that way
40:34
who are in her class. You almost have to try to not
40:38
slay that hard. There was one outfit where it
40:40
was like 1/4 zip and she had her hair in a braid and I was like,
40:45
this is what a rich soccer mom looks like.
40:48
This is not what a celebrity superstar looks like.
40:53
And she has to have a stylist. No stylist, I don't care how bad
40:57
they are, is going to say let's put you in 1/4 zip.
41:00
It's because they have a very specific idea of what she's
41:05
supposed to be looking like and trying to look like right now.
41:08
And it's like a Republican congressman's wife.
41:10
She has a brand and it changes for who she's trying to appeal
41:15
to and what audience she's catering to at that moment.
41:18
And anyone think thinking that she doesn't need PR or doesn't
41:21
use PR and like all of these decisions is delusional or?
41:26
100%. I know we kind of talked about
41:28
Tavis, but like what do you think is going to happen with
41:32
this year's football season because he's resigned?
41:35
Do you think they're going to stay together?
41:36
Do you think that he like, do you think she's going to be at
41:40
the like the football games like she usually is with the errors
41:43
who are being done? Like what do you see?
41:45
I don't see her doing that. I mean, it won't shock me.
41:48
I see anything as possible. Although you know what, I was
41:52
low key starting to believe with the way that she had been moving
41:56
with the Super Bowl and after the Vancouver era's tour that
41:59
she was going to walk the red carpet with that man.
42:01
I low key kind of could see it happening.
42:03
But now that she didn't do that, and not only did she not do
42:07
that, but she basically got an award for the best tour of the
42:11
year. And she's like, yeah, I know I
42:12
ain't showing up for that. Like either the breakup would
42:15
happen. If it's going to happen, it
42:16
would happen before that or she wouldn't show up to like a lot
42:20
of the games and he would look sad and they would make her the
42:22
villain and then she'd break up with him.
42:24
But she has no reason to continue to put herself in the
42:26
spotlight. I think he got he continued on
42:29
because he had his contract and I think he there's no way he's
42:32
going to want to retire without playing as many seasons as his
42:35
brother did at the very least. So but I think that that makes
42:39
sense that he's going back into football for sure.
42:41
I do think that I don't see her being with this man for long
42:45
term though. I mean like shock me though, if
42:47
you want to prove me wrong. If she gets engaged, they have
42:49
babies. I'll shut the hell up and be
42:51
like, OK, well, I probably. Shut the fuck up still.
42:55
But then I'll probably just be dragged into a mental hospital.
42:59
I'm still saying her lyrics were still gay though, so.
43:01
Yeah, right. Like she could still be by
43:03
there's. No way you get to make yourself
43:05
the cop of a gay town knowing the history of Stonewall like
43:09
that doesn't. I think that like, even if she's
43:13
not with Travis, it doesn't mean we have to like him.
43:16
And if she's with him, dude, that's embarrassing.
43:20
I. It's the fans that have made me
43:22
dislike that man more so. Totally, totally, absolutely.
43:26
Culture around it is really disgusting and very much 40
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years ago, very traditional. The focus is so much on he's so
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much taller than she is. He leads her.
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She doesn't have to think when she's with him.
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It's it's disgustingly sexist. There was one thing I wanted to
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say though, it is just a message to auto gaylors out there
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watching. We'll close with this.
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Stop letting people talk to you like they're crazy in your
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comment sections. That's not one piece of advice.
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You know, people only treat you the way that you allow them to
44:00
treat you. And I addressed this because I
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know there's a good platform here.
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I've addressed this in some videos, but I've seen it even in
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the Reddit where people will talk about like, I don't like
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the way that Sydney will cuss somebody out on the Internet.
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I think the hate was getting to no, the hate wasn't getting to
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me. It was proving a point that you
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start bringing the same if you give the energy back, people are
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going to stop messing with you. Have you realize I haven't had
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to cuss somebody out in my comments for a long time.
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That's because people got the message after 1520 times they
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let me know yeah, they may say that I'm crazy.
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They already think I'm the enemy.
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They already think you're the enemy.
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There's going to be no High Road pleasing them.
44:42
They already have their preconceived notion of you in
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your mind. So do not let somebody you you
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can be respectful. You can be calm, but you ain't
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got to let somebody walk all over you.
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And that was the reason why I really took that approach,
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because I was somebody in elementary school who used to
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get bullied all the time. And I realized people stopped
45:01
messing with me when I stopped letting them mess with me, when
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I stopped letting them get away with that.
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Sometimes you got to put that emotion on the shelf and cuss
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somebody out. And when you cuss them out,
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generally they'll leave you alone.
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They are not going to respond with logic and patience because
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right, just like you said, they view us as the enemy.
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They. Are not they?
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They're not engaging in good faith to begin with.
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Exactly there. Is one person who did end up
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learning and that was my friend Hannah Trudeau.
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She's gonna get a shout out because I remember one time I
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did drag her through the mud and she's like, wait, wait, I'm so
45:32
sorry also that mean. And I'm like, OK, I'll take it
45:35
now. Like at the same time, it's like
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when you know, they're not engaging in good faith.
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I don't. I don't really see a reason that
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if they're going to call you out your name and spit on your
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ancestors grave and call you every name but the name your
45:48
Mama gave you, what's the point? Always good people are always
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going to not like you if they don't want to like you.
45:54
For example, with black people. But you won't call me a *** to
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my face, will you? You'll call me my back because
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you know what'll happen if you say it to my face.
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Because inherently, you know, I can be a problem.
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So sometimes you just need to be the problem.
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They won't say why they don't like you, and that's why it's so
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frustrating because you feel like you're dealing with someone
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who is actually conversing and having an argument, but they're
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not. They already have, like you
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said, like preconceived notions. They already have the bigotry.
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So I think like you said, either like respond with the same
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energy they gave you, block them, or like move on.
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Yeah, that's it. Love.
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OK, let's close with that. Everyone go follow Sydney.
46:33
It's so fun. I'm so glad we could get our
46:36
schedules to line up because I've been trying to get you on
46:39
this pod for a long time. So thank God.
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What else? Just a reminder to subscribe on
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YouTube on Patreon if you want to listen to that bonus episode.
46:48
And happy spring. Hopefully all of our depression
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is over. Bye, guys.