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Best of Ian Furness 9/29 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: ian furnace.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, I didn't think we'd be here
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  Speaker 2: and having our final Molly Watt Monday on a Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: to wrap up the season as the playoffs were beginning
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  Speaker 2: elsewhere in baseball. But here we are. That's exactly what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly where we are. We are doing a Molly
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  Speaker 2: Watt Monday brought to you by Simply Seattle for the
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  Speaker 2: final time that is scheduled this season. I say that
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  Speaker 2: because the boys are on such a massive retainer financially
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  Speaker 2: that uh, that they're, they're always, that they're always on standby, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and always just in case, because maybe we'll see a, uh,
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  Speaker 2: a manager get hired or whatever it might be. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say this big thanks to simply Seattle
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  Speaker 2: and want to promote what they've got going on right now.
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  Speaker 2: to Jake, to the entire crew, Addy, everybody over there
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  Speaker 2: at Simply Seattle for all their support. I know they
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  Speaker 2: do some stuff with Chris too. So we thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Could not thank you guys enough for all your help
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  Speaker 2: this year. All right, boys. We didn't do it yesterday
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  Speaker 2: because Jerry was speaking under the glaring lights of a
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  Speaker 2: of an interrogation. Uh, but, uh, we, we will go
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  Speaker 2: around the horn as always got a lot of topics
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  Speaker 2: to discuss, but, uh, opening comments. I'm going to switch
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  Speaker 2: it up today. Chris, you're going first fire away.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going first, by the way. Uh, I'm, I'm disappointed
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  Speaker 4: if you didn't say my zoom name.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I will it's Mariner closet organizer 69.
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  Speaker 4: What an impressive closet I built there. You know, you like,
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  Speaker 4: you take a look at the fact that I was
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  Speaker 4: able to put together, uh, a closet that would hold
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  Speaker 4: a press conference for a major league baseball team is
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  Speaker 4: pretty damn impressive. Um, Lincoln bio, um, boy.
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  Speaker 2: California closets are one of those real professional ones. When
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  Speaker 2: you can get Mariner closet organizer 69 to come to
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  Speaker 2: your house and build the same thing with a little
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  Speaker 2: backdrop and lights and everything.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When, when a certain member of the media sent me
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  Speaker 4: a full zoom around of the, uh, press conference, I
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  Speaker 4: was very impressed with my work. Um, Boy, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's just I'm so sad that we're not talking about
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  Speaker 4: a Mariner game today. In fact, I would be kind
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  Speaker 4: of sad that they were playing today because I would
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  Speaker 4: want them to be one of the top two seeds, right?
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  Speaker 4: The automatic advance to it. But I sure would have
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  Speaker 4: loved to have seen this team play in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: And yet there's part of me that I know I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to come across as the big negative Nelly that
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  Speaker 4: is so glad the season is over because it just
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a fun year, man. It just wasn't fun to
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  Speaker 4: watch this baseball team Nathan brought it up over and
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  Speaker 4: over again because he just can't help repeating himself and
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  Speaker 4: also because he's really smart. Just the unathleticism that we
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  Speaker 4: saw from this baseball team in 2026 and the lack
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  Speaker 4: of fundamentals, the lack of excitement. It just was such
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  Speaker 4: a bummer to watch these guys for 162 games, and
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  Speaker 4: that should never be the case. You should never hate
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  Speaker 4: watching your favorite baseball team. You should never hate watching
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  Speaker 4: your favorite sport. But I got so down on this team,
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  Speaker 4: in part because I was so high to begin the
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  Speaker 4: year and my silly little demands, that it just became
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  Speaker 4: painful and heartbreaking to watch this baseball team. Now, that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean there weren't good things. Randy Orozarena was an
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  Speaker 4: absolute treat to watch this year. Seeing some of these
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  Speaker 4: young guys come up and do what they did was
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  Speaker 4: a treat to watch as well.
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  Speaker 6: But it was.
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  Speaker 4: It really was... The dessert after a terrible, terrible meal.
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  Speaker 4: Just an unbridled lack of joy to watch this team.
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  Speaker 4: The joyless suck factory one more time. I hope 2027
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  Speaker 4: is better. I hope 2027 even exists. But good riddance
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  Speaker 4: to 2026, man. Joyless suck factory.
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  Speaker 2: That might be the, that's the, that's the, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not refuse to lose. It's not, no, no, nope.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is. Jake, get my t-shirt ready. Joyless
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  Speaker 2: suck factory. Nathan.
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  Speaker 6: There's been one thing we've been doing this show for
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  Speaker 6: five years and my gosh, so many things to, I
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  Speaker 6: think six years, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we started during COVID.
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  Speaker 6: We've been, Yeah, I'm not sure anymore.
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  Speaker 4: 2021 is when we really started.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, six years. My gosh, thanks to Chris and Ian
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  Speaker 6: and all of the producers, people at KJR, the people
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  Speaker 6: who listen, Simply Seattle, et cetera. That is a long time.
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  Speaker 6: We've been doing it for six years. What's the one
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  Speaker 6: thing that we have all universally praised the Mariners without
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  Speaker 6: exception for? There's one thing, and it's not pitching development.
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  Speaker 6: And it's this organization's ability to throw a ceremony, to
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  Speaker 6: put on a show. They are very, very good at it.
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  Speaker 6: And as I've kind of let the season end, and
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  Speaker 6: I didn't really want to try to react in the
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  Speaker 6: moment over the last 48 hours, because everything that's happened
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  Speaker 6: has been kind of scripted. We kind of knew what
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  Speaker 6: was going to happen to a certain extent over the
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  Speaker 6: last 48 hours with Dan Wilson stepping away. And then
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  Speaker 6: the press conference, and they had the temerity to actually
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  Speaker 6: call a press conference. It's a shame they don't have
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  Speaker 6: a really nice media center to have press conferences in,
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  Speaker 6: but Chris did a great job with that closet. So Chris,
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  Speaker 6: good job there. Watching it all play out, that was
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  Speaker 6: the thing that I was struck by. you know, letting
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  Speaker 6: Dan Wilson go out there or making, letting, it was
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  Speaker 6: some combination of victory lap and humiliation ritual where he
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  Speaker 6: went out there to talk about, and I felt terrible
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  Speaker 6: for him, where he was crying through that press conference
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  Speaker 6: and talking. It's clear this man took his job very
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  Speaker 6: seriously and knew that he had failed and it was
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  Speaker 6: a hard thing for him to do. Jerry DePoto going
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  Speaker 6: out there in funeral black, reading off the bullet notes
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  Speaker 6: of accountability that ChatGPT gave him that he asked about
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  Speaker 6: before the press conference and Cracking John Stanton out of
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  Speaker 6: cryo freeze to do his big well-lit one-on-one prescripted interview
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  Speaker 6: with a media personality. All of that ceremony. That's what
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  Speaker 6: all of this last 48 hours has been. The Mariners
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  Speaker 6: have known for weeks now that their season was a
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  Speaker 6: failure and they've had time to prepare a ceremony and
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  Speaker 6: nobody does a ceremony like the Seattle Mariners. And at
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  Speaker 6: the end of all of it, all I can think
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  Speaker 6: about is not a single damn thing is going to change. Again,
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  Speaker 6: all of the same people that make all the decisions
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  Speaker 6: are still here. They think that they can do exactly
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  Speaker 6: the same things that they've always done. The ownership is
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  Speaker 6: going to continue to do things exactly the same way.
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  Speaker 6: They're not talking about changing processes. They're not really talking
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  Speaker 6: about changing rosters. They're not talking about changing anything about
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  Speaker 6: how they do business because they don't think they're doing
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  Speaker 6: anything wrong. Still, after all of that ceremony, And I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to be honest with you guys. I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if I can keep doing this with
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  Speaker 6: these guys. I just don't. I just don't know. Headed
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  Speaker 6: into 2027 if I can do it. I'm so tired
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  Speaker 6: of feeling so disrespected by everything these people do. And
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  Speaker 6: you know what's part of that? Let's go back to
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  Speaker 6: that closet. The media is a conduit to the fan base.
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  Speaker 6: And when you disrespect that team, and the only, I
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  Speaker 6: haven't heard any good reason. I've asked, is there a
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  Speaker 6: good reason to shoehorn everybody into that tiny little closet
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  Speaker 6: space to do that when they have that giant? I
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  Speaker 6: saw the Ken Griffey Jr. Hall of Fame. I was
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  Speaker 6: at that press conference in that beautiful, nice space in
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  Speaker 6: that press conference. The only reason to do that is
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  Speaker 6: because you don't like the media, because you're affronted by
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  Speaker 6: the media. And because by extension, you're affronted by the
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  Speaker 6: role they play, which is to report the things that
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  Speaker 6: you do and say, to your fan base, the people
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  Speaker 6: that pay for everything that you do. So that's an
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  Speaker 6: intentional choice to do that. Does that sound like a
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  Speaker 6: group or an organization that feels genuinely bad? Does that sound,
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  Speaker 6: or are they just going to go through the motions?
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  Speaker 6: Are they just going to go through the ceremony of
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  Speaker 6: genuflecting some sort of apology? John Sands is going to say,
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  Speaker 6: I'm embarrassed. And Jerry DePoto is going to talk about accountability.
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  Speaker 6: And Justin Hollander is going to talk about accountability. There's
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  Speaker 6: no accountability. Who hired Dan Wilson? Does anybody know?
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  Speaker 2: We still don't.
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  Speaker 6: We still don't have any idea.
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  Speaker 5: Nope.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody knows. Justin Hollander said today that he's going to
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  Speaker 6: be doing his first managerial search. So that means he
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  Speaker 6: didn't have anything to do with hiring Dan Wilson. So
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  Speaker 6: we still don't know what's going on there. Nobody has
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  Speaker 6: changed anything. And it just feels, I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: take up too much time here. I'm so defeated by this.
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  Speaker 6: It's so, so draining to have to go through this
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  Speaker 6: for another offseason.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that jumps out, guys, is that– because, Nathan,
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  Speaker 2: as you're talking about that, and I think you always
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  Speaker 2: want that hope leading into the next year, right? Like
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  Speaker 2: if you don't make the postseason, if you don't get
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  Speaker 2: to accomplish what you want to accomplish, what have you,
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  Speaker 2: you want to have that. And it's funny because I think–
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to pivot back to what you were saying
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  Speaker 2: in a second, but this just came to my mind.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to just throw it out there. Chris, I'll
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  Speaker 2: start with you.
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  Speaker 7: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't make the postseason. which if they did, that
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  Speaker 2: would have been the seventh time in franchise history over
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  Speaker 2: 50 years, which in our world would seem like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that's a pretty good thing. Is it safe to say
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  Speaker 2: that even if they had snuck in this season, unless
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  Speaker 2: they won it all, would have still been a failure?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, just going back to what I talked about,
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  Speaker 4: for me anyway, yeah, absolutely. Sneaking into the postseason you know,
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  Speaker 4: at 82 and 80 or 84 and 78 or something
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  Speaker 4: like that would have felt terrible. You know, anything but
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  Speaker 4: getting to the World Series was going to feel like
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  Speaker 4: not good enough to me. And it's not based on
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  Speaker 4: the fact that I thought the roster was so good.
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  Speaker 4: It's based on the fact that you told me the
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  Speaker 4: roster is so good by bringing back said roster. After
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  Speaker 4: being seven or eight outs, it seems like no one
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  Speaker 4: can get that number right, by the way. It changes
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  Speaker 4: every time. Being very close to getting to the World
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  Speaker 4: Series and bringing back that same team, making just changes
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  Speaker 4: on the margins. Brendan Donovan for Jorge Polanco, pretty much
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  Speaker 4: the only major change that you bring there. You told
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  Speaker 4: me that anything but getting to the World Series was
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  Speaker 4: going to be disappointing. And real quick, just on what
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  Speaker 4: Nathan was saying. The thing about what the Mariners did
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  Speaker 4: is they know you're going to forget about this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: They know that you're going to not care about it
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  Speaker 4: in November and December so they can get away with it.
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  Speaker 4: Don't let them get away with it. Don't let the
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  Speaker 4: Seattle Mariners get away with it, man. Tell them how
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  Speaker 4: you feel. Tell them that this is not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: Tell them that holding a press conference inside of a
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  Speaker 4: basically closet that I designed very well is not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: tell the Seattle Mariners that it's not good enough because
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  Speaker 4: this isn't good enough. But yeah, to answer your question, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: anything but getting deep into this postseason was going to
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  Speaker 4: be significantly disappointing for me and a lot of fans
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  Speaker 4: that I've talked to.
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  Speaker 6: Nathan. Yeah, they couldn't win the worst division in the
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  Speaker 6: history of Major League Baseball coming into a season where
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  Speaker 6: they were supposed to be the best team or the
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  Speaker 6: second best team in the American League. I think if
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  Speaker 6: they were in the playoffs, I talked about like basically
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  Speaker 6: being full sicko mode all September where the only thing
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to see if they're going to get in
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs was do it in the most disgusting way possible.
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  Speaker 6: They couldn't do it. I'd have still been every single
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  Speaker 6: thing that I just said, I would 100% say if
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  Speaker 6: they had made the playoffs because it would all still 100%
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  Speaker 6: be accurate. This season, the process of this season was
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  Speaker 6: a miserable failure and the outcome reflects that process that
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  Speaker 6: they've gone through all year long. And just one last
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  Speaker 6: thing on that press conference. Man, I saw some people
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  Speaker 6: pushing back on Softie for asking some questions down there
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  Speaker 6: really quick. Dude, press conferences are not liturgy. They are
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  Speaker 6: not sacred rituals. They are ideally places where people in
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  Speaker 6: power stand accountable to a curious and skeptical media apparatus
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  Speaker 6: to deliver information to their fans. And it is ridiculous
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  Speaker 6: that Dave is... Okay, Softie's many things, and a lot
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  Speaker 6: of them I probably don't agree with him on. He
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  Speaker 6: is him because he is a passionate fan. He cares
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  Speaker 6: about his teams more than anybody in the world. And
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  Speaker 6: when they win, he's the happiest man alive. And when
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  Speaker 6: they lose, he's as upset as anybody else. And I
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  Speaker 6: will venture to say, I bet he was more upset
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  Speaker 6: about the Mariners season. than anybody else at that press
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  Speaker 6: conference yesterday in any role because he cares. And that's
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  Speaker 6: what fans deserve to have represented when they're doing that
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  Speaker 6: kind of stuff. So good for him for going down
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  Speaker 6: there and asking some tough questions.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. Yeah, I agree with you. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, me defending and sticking up for Big Phil
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  Speaker 2: in the afternoon is– painful experience, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: do it anyway. I'm not happy about it either. None
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  Speaker 2: of us are. No, none of us are. No, I,
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  Speaker 2: that was a funny thing. There was a pushback there.
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  Speaker 2: Someone who you used to work with or you hired,
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  Speaker 2: I think Nathan, if I'm not mistaken, and she's pushing
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  Speaker 2: back and I'm like, well, feel free to ask the
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  Speaker 2: same questions.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And, and I would also like the condescending tone, which
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  Speaker 2: kind of feels like that just comes out of that
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  Speaker 2: building sometimes towards him and others that aren't part of
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  Speaker 2: the inner circle that aren't there every day. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the three or four people that are there every day
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  Speaker 2: at home games and stuff like that. I mean, Jess
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  Speaker 2: goes down, Benton goes down here and there for us.
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  Speaker 2: You know, none of us are beat writers, so to speak.
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  Speaker 2: But the condescending tone that she had and others had,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, first of all, there's no
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  Speaker 2: bigger name in Seattle sports media than him. There's nobody
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  Speaker 2: that has more equity than him. There's nobody that should
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  Speaker 2: be asking the questions more than Softie.
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  Speaker 5: Period.
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  Speaker 2: We regret the air.
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Seriously. You're not talking about some intern that showed up.
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  Speaker 2: I've gone to Seahawk press conferences when I was there
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  Speaker 2: every day. And there'll be a news reporter coming in
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  Speaker 2: from one of the news stations that's asking questions after
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  Speaker 2: a big thing happens. And I'm like, hey, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: your space. You can sit this one out. That's not
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  Speaker 2: the case with him. He's Seattle sports, man. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: like when, when draws and gas stepped aside, he's got
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  Speaker 2: the title. And, and, and I think if you're a
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  Speaker 2: Seattle sports fan, a Mariners fan, you without going full,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Jack Nicholson, you want him there. Like you
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  Speaker 2: want him asking those questions. Cause no one else is,
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  Speaker 2: no one else is.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I want to, we only got a couple minutes here
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  Speaker 2: left in this segment, but just to, just to kind
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  Speaker 2: of circle back. 76 and 86. Sheehan said two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: most disappointing season in the century since 2000 for a
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  Speaker 2: major league baseball team. Is this the most disappointing season
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  Speaker 2: ever for the Mariners, Chris?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, pretty easily. And again, it starts with the expectations.
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  Speaker 4: But just like looking at an MVP runner-up who was–
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  Speaker 4: one of the worst hitters in baseball for the overwhelming
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  Speaker 4: majority of the year. Looking at a guy who had
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  Speaker 4: three top 10 MVP finishes in his first four years
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  Speaker 4: be just an average dude who looked like he regressed
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  Speaker 4: more than he improved. Looking at this bullpen that I
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  Speaker 4: think we all had high hopes for and seeing it
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  Speaker 4: be slightly below average. Looking at this starting rotation that
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  Speaker 4: we all had high hopes for. be slightly above average
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  Speaker 4: and then when you look at not just the division
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  Speaker 4: but the American League on the whole guys the Cleveland
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  Speaker 4: Guardians won 85 games and they are the two seed
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  Speaker 4: in the American League that's beyond pathetic that you if
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  Speaker 4: I would have if you would have told me the
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  Speaker 4: Mariners were only going to win 85 games this year
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  Speaker 4: I would have been disappointed To think that they just
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  Speaker 4: had to be a slightly above average team and get
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  Speaker 4: in this thing and see what happens and to not
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  Speaker 4: do it. Oh, this is easily the most disappointing team,
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  Speaker 4: not just in Mariner history, in all of my life.
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  Speaker 4: This is the most disappointing Seattle sports team. And that's
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  Speaker 4: saying something, man, because I have been disappointed for most
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  Speaker 4: of my grumble, grumble years. But this, this is the
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  Speaker 4: absolute worst.
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  Speaker 2: This is the worst, man.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: No doubt about it. Most disappointing year.
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: Nathan, you want to finish it off here? Yeah, I
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: don't know if there's any way that you can. I
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: was kind of on the fence because I was never
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: as high on this team coming into the season as
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: I feel like some other people were. But the way
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: that the season played out and we talked about it
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: going down the stretch and I just said it, I
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: think like three minutes ago. They couldn't win the worst
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: division in the history of the sport. The sport is
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: 150 years old. The Houston Astros won the pennant at
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: 81 and 81. You let the Houston Astros, who I
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: think you were 13 and three against or something like
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: that this year, win the division. Your most hated rival
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: had their worst year in like 13 years and you
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: still couldn't do it. It's the most unforgivable, shameful, pathetic
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: season by a Seattle sports team that I can remember, man.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: It's just, They have squandered now twice in the last
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: five years. They have sat on the precipice of shooting
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: off into a space that they have never been before
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: as far as success is concerned after 2022 and 2025.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: And through their hubris, their lethargy, their mediocrity, and their
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: lack of ambition, they have completely fallen on their face
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: both times. And this time stings a lot worse in 2023.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: We'll come back. Final segment. Bring up a topic we
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: talked about earlier. Is the issue ownership or is the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: issue the baseball operations side? We'll ask the boys that
• 18:02
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• 18:07
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• 18:09
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• 18:12
  Speaker 2: years that we've done this. They've been there with us
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: since the start. They do a lot of stuff on
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Softie's show as well. We could not thank that local
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: company enough for what they do for us, this show.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: just real, just real fast. Cause I want to wrap
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: up with marriage real fast. We were just looking, we've
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: got the, uh, the, the Braves and the Phillies on
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: right now, the playoff game, first playoff game being played.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Same.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: There are thousands of empty seats. Now my initial reaction
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: always is Atlanta is a crappy sports town and it is,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: it's like the most overrated sports city in America. Screw
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you NHL for even mentioning the name out loud for
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: further expansion for a third time. Um, But Chris, just
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: like for me, and Nathan, jump in real quick afterwards,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: especially when you have kids, like baseball's insistence on playing
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: day games and not overlapping and stuff, which the NBA does,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the NHL does, in the playoffs is just mind-boggling to me, Chris.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: And what this also points to you is that boy
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: oh boy is attendance not the main revenue thing for
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: baseball anymore in fact it's not even close because if
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: it was you wouldn't be playing this game at this
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: time on this day like on a tuesday like if
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: you're going to play the afternoon games it makes sense
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: saturday and sunday but on on a tuesday this just
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: goes to show you that attendance is not the driver
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: but it's very i feel bad because you know i
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: totally agree atlanta is a super overrated sports town and
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Bring back the thrashers.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Come on, Ian.
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: Stop it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Bring them back. Stop it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: No, definitely not. It's sad for those kids because those
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: are the people that we want watching these games. They're
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: the people that we want growing with the sport. uh,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: a game at 11 AM Pacific time and 2 PM
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta. It's, it's tough to argue that that's great
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: for the local and the young interest in the game.
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: I just, yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Nathan, go ahead real quick.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's just a real bummer. It's just, you know, and,
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: and you, you both hit it on the head and
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: what what's going on here is that it's not What
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: works best for fans? How do we get the most
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: people interested and engaged in this? It's just like so
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: many other things that are going on in our life.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: There was one dude that wrote a really big fat
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: check from what would be NBC in this case or
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: TBS or whoever to MLB and they cashed it. And
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: because of that, that's why we have to deal with this.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: And it's just up to us to figure out how
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: to deal with this very suboptimal arrangement. It sucks.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking, can you imagine the Sixers and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the Knicks playing at 11 o'clock in the morning in
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: an NBA playoff game or the Avalanche and Dallas Stars
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: playing at noon on a Tuesday? It just would never happen.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: those two leagues happen to be smarter than baseball, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: we'll find out how dumb baseball is here in the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: next few months when we have a lockout. Okay, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: brought this up earlier. Nathan, I'll start with you. Bigger
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: issue for this team moving forward, is it the ownership
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: group and how they operate, or is it Jerry and Justin?
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: I think that the biggest issue here is the ownership situation,
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: and if I had to weigh it, I would say
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: something like 65 to 35 or 70-30 or something like that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: And I think, and to be perfectly frank, I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: part of that is Born out by the fact that
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: ownership continues to allow Jerry and Justin to have their
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: jobs because they're just satisfied and content with the status quo.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: And because the bar is so low in this organization's history,
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: and so many of these guys have had their tendrils
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: in this organization for so long, whether they were technically
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: in the ownership group or they were managing partners or
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: whatever it is. I don't know what designations they have.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: They've all been around here for so long, so they
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: know how low the standards are. And they can look
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: at the last five years and know that they're making
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: grip loads of money and say, well, it's slightly better
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: than it usually has been. We've made the playoffs 40%
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: of the time in a league where 40% of the
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: teams make the playoffs. You guys should all love us.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: This is perfect. And I think that's the main issue.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: I think that the ownership, I think Mike Verrill's column
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: in the Seattle Times today was really spot on. It's
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: like we've said, they would like to win. They really
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: would like to win. John Stanton would really like to win.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: But they're not obsessed with it. They're not willing to
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: do the things that are necessary to make winning the
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: fundamental priority of this organization. And they've said that out
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: loud and shown it with their actions over and over again.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: So I think given that circumstance, you have to be
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: a really good front office in order to build a
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: World Series winner here. And then that's when I would
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: trickle down and say, I don't think that the Mariners
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: front office is bad. I just don't think that it's
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: good enough to deal with this.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Chris.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Ian, do you watch Shorzy?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, I've watched a few episodes.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: With my buddy, Terry Ryan in it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: There's a quote where it's a kind of a running
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: theme where Shorzy and those who haven't watched it, it's terrific.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Check it out.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Hulu, whatever.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Um, they say that the guy loves to win, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Shorzy kept saying, but he doesn't hate to lose. And
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: that's the thing with the Seattle Mariner ownership group is
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: that I know that they would love to win, but
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: they don't hate to lose. And as long as that's
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: the case, there are going to be issues. As for
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: a number on blame between them two, I'd go somewhere
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: between 53% and 55%.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Do you see what I did there?
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: God bless you. It wasn't me this time.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Like, seriously?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: God. You're welcome. They're going to be looking for a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: new manager. Chris, what are they looking for? What do
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you think they should be looking for?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what they could be looking for, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I'll just promote this, by the way. I did a
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: video for my wine enthusiasts on four guys that I
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: would love to hire and two guys that I would
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: just stay away from. I think the most important thing,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of people keep talking about that. They want
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: a hard ass that they want somebody who's going to
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: be pissing vinegar. I think the most important thing is
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: getting that team, that fun team that looked like they
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: were having fun in 2025, getting that version, keeping the
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: clubhouse in line, of course, but something that is going
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: to bring out the joy of, And these guys, someone
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: who has experience, there's such an obvious, I'll just say
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: right now, hire Tori Lovato. Tori Lovato is a perfect
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: candidate for this. He makes so much sense because he's
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: someone who's handled clubhouse as well. He's had success. He's
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: dealt with less than spectacular Arizona budgets and well, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: still been able to produce at the highest level. That's
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the type of guy they should be going after. There's
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: going to be competition for him too, but that's the
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: type of guy, someone who's going to bring out keep
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: the people in line, avoid these silly little mistakes, but
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: you want that guy who's going to bring the joy
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: into this clubhouse again. Nathan, let me get you just
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: a final word from you. Like you said, you're kind
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: of exhausted by the team. They've kind of sucked the
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: life out of you. I think a lot of Mariner
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: fans feel the same way. There's no doubt about that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: What brings you back?
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: I have to think about that, Ian. And I was
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: thinking about before we came on the show, what created
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: this show was that Kevin Mather was so comfortable and
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: entrenched in what he was doing and the way that
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: he thought that he could go in front of a
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: group of strangers with a microphone and essentially spit on
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: everyone beneath him, fans, players, team employees. And he felt
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: totally fine doing that. There was not an issue for him.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: And it only became an issue because fans saw it
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: and they got outraged. The team wasn't upset about it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: They were upset that we were upset about it. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: then they were forced to act by our outrage And
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: it was that level of comfort and entrenchment that led
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: to that kind of behavior. And now we're here, I guess,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: six years. I thought it was five, six years later.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: And I look at the powers that be, whether that's
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Jerry DiPoto and Justin Hollander or John Stanton and his co-owners.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: And I see people that are just incredibly comfortable. They
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: feel so entrenched. And I hear Jerry and Justin talk.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: And they say these buzzy corporate catchphrases about accountability and
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: what they need. I didn't really like, by the way,
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: that Jerry said that bad defense was a choice yesterday.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: That was pretty funny. That was probably my favorite quote
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: that we got out of that press conference. But that's
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: what's contributing to this. I am a Mariners fan. I've
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: been a Mariners fan. I've been probably cognizant enough to
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: be a Mariners fan for about 40 years now. So 80%
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: of the organization's history. I can put up with losing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I can put up with failure. I've found joy. Some
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: of the most enjoyable memories of my life are amidst
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: absolutely atrocious Mariner seasons. I can deal with it. What
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I can't deal with is living in a world and
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: rooting for a team where results don't matter. And that's
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: what I feel like I'm living in. And that's what
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: I feel like is making my fandom harder and harder
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: to grasp for myself. I need to know that somebody
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: with some power somewhere, cares a little bit about winning
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: the way that I do and the way that Chris
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: does and the way that grandma does and the way
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: that all of these people have given so much of
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: their time, energy, love, passion, joy, all of the things
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: that we do that make this organization possible. None of
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: this happens if we don't care. If we all woke
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: up tomorrow and decided we didn't care about the Seattle
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: Mariners or about Major League Baseball, the team would just
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: not exist. And they would just have a big, empty,
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: nice building that they'd have to fill with concerts. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: I want somebody somewhere to show me that they care
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: and make me feel okay coming back. I don't even
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: care if they succeed. I just want to know that
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: they care. And I'm not sure if I'd think that
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: they do at this point.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to encourage everybody to go to Mile Why
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. Subscribe. Chris, now I've got to go. We're
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: going to go. I have to go. It makes it
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: sound like I'm being held hostage. I will go because
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I'm curious. I'm actually really curious. Great tease. You should
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: do radio sometimes. Um, yeah, you should do radio. The
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: two guys that you say, absolutely not. Um, I can't
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: wait to go listen to that on the way home
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: on the drive. I'm like, that's going to be interesting.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: And the four guys they should, I think, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: as you're saying that, and, and Chris was talking about
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Tori Lavella, that's, I think that's the first step to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: get to what Nate just said. Hire somebody that inspires
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: some confidence in you, that you feel like it's a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: legitimate managerial hire, not a first-time manager like Service or Wilson,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: but someone who gives you a little bit of juice.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go listen to that. I'm going
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to encourage everybody, go subscribe to MyOI, please, and go
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: support what Chris does. He does everything, not just Mariners,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but everything out there at MyOI. Thanks again to Simply Seattle,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Jamie and Company, for all your help. Molly Watt, 15.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. We joke about it all the time.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: We always wonder if we're going to do this thing again.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Life gets in the way. People are busy. Things are happening.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I've told you this before. It is the segment that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: we do every week that I get the most feedback on,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: good and bad, the most passion, good and bad, from
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: everyone involved, fellow coworkers or listeners. I get texts from
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: people all the time. What are those guys going to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: say on Monday? I can't wait to hear what they're
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: going to say on Monday. You guys have built up
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a brand. We have a ton of fun doing this.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I look forward to it every Monday, win or lose.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Believe it or not, all three of us would agree,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: winning's better. We're talking about a winning baseball team is better.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But when they're not winning, this is not state radio,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: and we're not going to pull any punches. You guys
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: aren't going to pull any punches. And I just want
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to say, Chris, Nathan, thank you. Thank you so much
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: for another fun season. Hey, man, I just got to
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: say one thing real quick.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: So.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Kevin Shockey called me the day after the Kevin Mather comments,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: and he said, Chris, can you please come on the
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: radio and talk about it? And I had no desire.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I just didn't want to. And he begged me. He
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: begged me to come on. And thank God he begged
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: me because, boy, has this been the most important thing
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I've done in my media career. And I know Nathan
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: always jokes that he doesn't have a media career, but
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: bull crap. Bull crap, you absolutely have. I almost said
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: the other word, but I didn't.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ashley, stand by.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: Shockey, you had to pay tribute.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: I understand.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: No, I said bull shit, but I didn't say it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Nathan Bishop, thank you so freaking much, man. Thank you
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: for being... one of the kindest people, one of the
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: smartest people, one of the most compassionate people, one of
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the most honest people, and just one of the most
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: good people in this industry, because a lot of people
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: can say that we are negative and that we are
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: quote unquote haters, but no, it's the opposite. We are lovers.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: We love the Seattle sports scene and we love this
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: baseball team and we only want the best of it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: And we want to be caretakers of this team. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's very many better caretakers than Nathan Bishop, man. Like,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I just can't thank you enough for this. And I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: thankful for you, Ian. I'm thankful for Jess and Ashley
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: and everybody. But who I'm really thankful for today is
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Nathan Bishop.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: I love you, man.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: Hey.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: I love you both, man. Thanks for that, Chris. Guys.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: I don't have anything else to say. That was too
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: much for me.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Good way to end it.
• 30:42
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• 31:28
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• 31:31
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• 31:34
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: So getting in and out on a workday is actually
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a huge pain in the butt. So I'm not terribly
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: surprised this isn't a sellout or even close to it. No.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: We were talking earlier, if the Mariners were in, they
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: would be playing at 2 o'clock today, it does appear.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: And that was the case last year. They played all
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: their weekday games during the daytime hours, which is just awful.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's just awful for baseball fans, Joe. I mentioned this earlier,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and I know they don't want to have games overlapping,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: but if it's good enough for the NBA and the NHL,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: which it is, and you pick and choose and it's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a cumulative audience, kind of like college football, I'm not
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: sure why baseball has this insistence to play. The wide
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: shot they're showing right now, it may be a 60% full.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand the reluctance to have games on
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: multiple networks like the NBA and the NHL do in
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. at night, you know, whatever, where people can
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: watch it or go to it. Just bad for business,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure the TV networks determine what happens too.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: No, I disagree. And I like the fact that you
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: can basically watch all of the games and the playoffs,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: whereas NBA, you've got so much more overlap. And let's
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: not forget too, the NBA and NHL don't play on
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: consecutive days. So it's easier to plot out games at night.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: When not everybody is playing every single day. So I
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: actually love the way MLB does it. I get that it's,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a, it ends up, you know, coming
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: down on certain fan bases. They're always going to put,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you know, the big market team in the eight o'clock
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: slot this year. It's the Yankees and the Red Sox.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And you look at the numbers and it's hard to
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: argue with that, but I do understand that it can
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: be frustrating if, especially in the first round where. Because
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: you're playing three straight days, the time slots are locked.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: You can't play at 2 o'clock one day.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: If you play at 2 o'clock on Monday, Tuesday, you're
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: going to play 2 o'clock on Wednesday. And then based
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: on what's still going Thursday, maybe you get a later game. No,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I completely get the local arguments, but as more of
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: a national guy, I would– I much prefer this to– Ian,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember in 95. So 94,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: they set this up, but of course we didn't have
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: a postseason that year. But in 95, MLB couldn't find
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: demand for its TV contract. It basically self-produced its playoff coverage,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: and it was all regionalized at 7 p.m.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Eastern.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: So you couldn't watch any but one game. You couldn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: even see the other ones. I mean, this was obviously
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: 30 years ago, and cable was different, and streaming was different.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: But I remember on a phone with a friend who
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: had the then Indians Red Sox series going and getting
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: play by play for him. Cause they were playing like
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: this awesome 15 inning game that I was in Los Angeles.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I had no access to. So I, I'd say this
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: is much, much better than it was for a while.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: By the way. Yes, we do remember 95. That was
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a magical year of Edgar's double down the left foot.
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And every Mariner fan right now is going, I'm sick
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of hearing about 95. I'm done with 95. I want
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: something besides 95.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Me too. I'm still waiting for Joey Cora to get
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: back from his route to first base.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Cheating cheater.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It is funny how you're right, though. Some teams, like Atlanta,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: get stuck in this. The NFL playoffs have that too.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I think Houston and or Jacksonville will always play the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: The 1 o'clock Eastern Saturday game on the first round
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: of the NFL playoffs. It's like written in stone. Whoever's
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: out of the AFC South is going to play that game.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Hasn't that actually become the 8 o'clock streaming game? The
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Amazon-only game now?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Netflix or something. The NFL can.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: Do whatever it wants.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: You can put playoff games on streaming and people just
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: wear it. But yeah, so there was also in the NBA,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and I know that's a sore spot up there, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: they'll always put like a Hawks-Raptors series on NBA TV.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: As opposed to Turner or whatever.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: This is a couple of years ago. But yeah, there
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: would always be the NBA TV series that nobody wanted
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. When you have playoffs of this size,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: some series is going to be the one nobody wants
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: By the way, now we've cracked the code. It's Atlanta,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: whether it be the Hawks or the Braves.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: This is an Atlanta thing, Jill. That's 100% an Atlanta thing.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Joe Sheehan, Joe Sheehan Newsletter, JoeSheehan.com. We have the end
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: of the year Mariners press conference, I'll call it, yesterday
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: with Jerry DiPoto speaking and Dan Wilson stepping down on Sunday.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: No one has still 100% clarified if it was a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: firing or a resignation, although he says there may be
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a role for him inside the organization. Still, Dan said
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: that on Sunday. We'll see. But now the Now the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: search is on for a manager. Before I get to that,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: we've talked about them at Nauseam the last few weeks.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: You had the famous quote, most disappointing team in this century.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Walk us through, help Mariner fans understand what happened and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: can it be fixed in the short term? Was this
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: just an aberration and a one-off, as DePoto was trying
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to say, or there's some deeper issues that Joe Sheehan
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: sees with this organization?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: The single biggest factor this year was the core of
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: the roster didn't play well. That's Crowley, that's Naylor, that's Rodriguez,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: that's the starting pitching. It wouldn't have taken much better
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: performance to finish 82-80 and win the division. So that's
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the single biggest thing. I think Wilson... was exposed as
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: a poor tackle manager. And people will argue that it
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: goes back to last October. And that did not help
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: them at key spots in the summer where there were
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: games they lost that they should have won. And you
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: could almost directly tie it to Williams' ineffectiveness. And, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: beyond that, I'm not sure. I mean, I think that
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: that's really the big thing. It's the best players on
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: the team didn't play well. The manager didn't manage all
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: that well when they kind of, on the margins... And,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: you know, you point to injuries, too. I think we've
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: gone over and over the Matt Brash thing. And I've
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: described it as the piece out of the Jenga tower.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: And it really exposed the rest of the bullpen.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I think if you give.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Them Brash, not only does Wilson end up looking better
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: because he has, you know, he's got a better pitcher
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: back there to go to in big spots. But I
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: think it lines everybody up a little bit better behind
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: him for Aaron. You know, Bizzardo had his big year
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: last year and he regressed as you would expect him to.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But because of the absence of Brash, he was pitching
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: in much higher leverage than he might have been otherwise.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: And they just didn't have a second option. Once you
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: got past him, it was like the Cooper Criswells of
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the world. And it really was a fall off from
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Munoz to Bizzardo and what was left. So, yeah, I
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: think that as much as I've talked about Wilson, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: do think you've really got to focus on the team
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: stars who just didn't really come up well. And then
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: the starting pitchers down the stretch. I mean, I was
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: even saying as late as mid-September, if they can just
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: get into the tournament. Give me Gilbert, Wu, Kirby, all
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: those guys in a bit of best of situation. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: those guys really spit the bit down the stretch. So,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you know, those would be, I guess, the three biggest things.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: And of them, they've addressed one in Wilson. You can't
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: really do anything about, I mean, you're not, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Naylor's got four years to go on his deal. I mean,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: all three of these guys are signed to the Rapture.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: So you're running them back next year. And I think
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you hope that you're going to bring along Cole Young
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: will be in his third year. And I'm a huge
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Cole Young guy. I think if nothing else, he's going
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: to be plus 15 defender at second base. And if
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: he just is an average hitter, that's a winning player
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: for you. Emerson, hopefully healthy with the wrist thing, comes
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: back healthy. You've seen what Lazaro Montes can do. You've
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: seen what Kate Anderson can do. These guys are going
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: to bring into the team next year. So they're actually
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: going to get younger. And, you know, maybe the biggest
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: thing is to try to get the biggest, scariest, hairiest
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: bat you can. And that's probably not going to be
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: in free agency. That's probably going to be involving, involve
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: trading a pitcher, but you know, identify the corner outfielder
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: you want to bring in and see if you can't trade,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: whether it's Kirby or Wu or Gilbert for that guy,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: you know, Riley greed or somebody we talked a couple
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago about, uh, trading for one of the, uh,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals catchers and kind of moving him into a
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: catcher DH role with, with, uh, Cal rally. So, uh,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I think that's gotta be the big thing. I think
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you've got to go out and transfer some of this
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: great pitching value into an upgrade in somebody who's going
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: to come in and bat third.
• 39:36
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• 39:51
  Speaker 2: a call, 425-255-0500. Joe, the radio or Rosarena thing is
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: one that's interesting to me, and it didn't really get
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: asked yesterday to Jerry, but the insinuation is, and just
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: listening to what he says— is that Randy's gone. He's walking.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: He's out of here. 5.7 war player this season. Far
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and away the best on the team. Cole Young, by
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the way, was second. Nobody else was above three. And
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: so Randy walks. I think that's the unfortunate thing. It's
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: like you automatically, if we assume he's gone, you've taken
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a step back. And now you have to work hard
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to replace him. And as you just mentioned, Riley Green
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: or whoever, you're also going to have to give something
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: up as opposed to retaining a guy that you traded
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: for a few years ago And I think that, to me,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is a little bit frustrating. It's just unfortunate that that's
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Orozarena's 31. And if you look at the game now,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: 32 tends to be the cliff year. We had this
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: huge fight last year on Slack about Pete Alonzo and
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: the Mets letting him go. And, of course, he went
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: out and had a big year at 31 for Baltimore.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: But hitters fall out of the league much earlier than
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: they used to. And I know Orozarena was good for
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: them this year. But even though he's fast, he's always
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: been an awkward left fielder. if he loses any skill
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and left, what are you going to do with him?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think the bat's going to be a DH
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: bat down the road. Um, and I, I have no
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: problem letting go a guy who, you know, when I'm
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: letting go of his 32, 33, 34 seasons, because those
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: just tend to be all declined. Now there's just no,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: you can come up with exceptions, but I mean, even now, look,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: you know, Mookie Betts, Mookie Betts was an MVP candidate
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: three years ago. And if you look at his numbers,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: and this is a superstar, this is a hall of
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: famer and guys like that are losing it earlier than
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: they used to. So again, I actually think not signing
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: a Rosarena to a three-year deal and using that lineup
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: spot through a trade perhaps to go out and add
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: a two- to three-year solution who's currently 27 or 28
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: is a much better use of that lineup spot. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: think if you lock in a Rosarena for three years
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: and it starts to decline, now you've got a real problem.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And I would project a Rosarena to decline starting next
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: year just based on everything we know about the aging
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: curve in 2026.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I guess one of the things that would scare me
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit is watching the Naylor situation this year.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Wondering if it was a one-off or is he starting right?
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: That is a little bit of a test case. You're like, uh-oh, uh-oh,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: is that going to happen?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: The saving grace there is that the AAV is pretty low.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I want to say it was a five-year, $ 90 million deal,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: so $ 18 million a year. If he's a two-win player,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: you're basically breaking even. And I expect some bounce back
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: from him next year. He's a couple years older than Orozco.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I want to say he was 28 when he signed.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: So you've actually got– he's two years younger than– two,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: three years younger than Rosarito. You can still expect him
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: to bounce back and be productive for another year or so,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: whereas it would not– just if you– I don't mean
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: to give you homework, but if you look at everybody
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: who was 31 last year and then look at them
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: this year, you're just going to see a decline as
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: a group. And if you go back a year, 31
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to 32, you're going to see the decline as a group,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: whereas a few years back it was 34, and years
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: before that it was 36. So the age of that
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: sharp decline just keeps moving up a couple of years because, and,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: you know, we talked about this, the pitchers are witches now.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: If you don't, the second you lose a little of
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: that natural hand eye, a little of that natural quick twitch,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: you get chased out of the league faster than you
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: used to.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I think back, you know, when you bring that up,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I think back to John Olerud. Like one year, John Olerud,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: still John Olerud, you know, slapping balls all over the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: place and, you know, left center, right center and doing
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: his thing. And the next year he couldn't catch up
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to a ball. Like literally it happened in the course
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: of one off season. So there's no doubt. It's a
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: crazy sport in that regard, right? Like just that little
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: decline can change everything.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: That's a great example because that happened for him at 37,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: at 34. So you go back 20 years, and 34
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: is when that would start to happen for guys. And
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: he's never really the same after that. He was an
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: all-star caliber player at 33, and then he was average
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: at 34, and then he was basically kind of done
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: at 35. And that process now happens from 32 to 34.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Torrey Lovallo is a guy that people are linking to Seattle.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: He was with Arizona this season. They finished two games
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: out of a wild-card spot in probably the toughest division
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: in baseball. Well, not in the American League East, at least.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: 86-76 record. 14 games behind the Dodgers, but as I mentioned,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: just two games out of a wild-card spot, despite being
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: 10 over 500. Whether or not he returns to Arizona
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: remains to be seen. It sounds like he might be
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: looking around elsewhere in baseball. There might be some competition.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: But Torrey Lovallo in Seattle, would that be a fit
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: in your mind?
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, sure. I'm a huge LeBolo fan. I think he's
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: one of the six or seven best managers in the game.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be silly for the Diamondbacks to let
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: him go. If you look at what he's done with
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: everything that's gone wrong with this team, they signed Corbin Burns.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: They've gotten almost nothing out of Burns in the last
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: two years. The two best relievers, Justin Martinez and A.J. Puck,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: threw a combined 15 innings this year. Corbin Carroll, I
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: think we're going to learn, was hurt for the last
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: five months of the season. And they got to win
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: in two games of a playoff spot. They had a
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: better record than, what, four AL playoff teams? Three AL
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: playoff teams? So two years ago, they won 89 games
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: and lost out a three-way tiebreaker. I don't think Lovullo
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: has done a bad job there when you consider the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: resources they have, the talent they have, and the context
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: in which he's performed. I think if you can get
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Torrey Lovullo to manage your team, I want this to
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: be a process. I want them to look around. But
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: if Torrey Lovullo is let go by the Diamondbacks, you
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: signed him yesterday, he would easily be, for me, the
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: best managerial candidate out there. Wow.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: They'll have competition, though, right, for him? around baseball?
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think everybody wants to, I'm, I'm
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: low man on Alex Cora. I think Alex Cora is
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: still living off of 2018 with the Red Sox.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: And because he wasn't there when it bottomed out in 2020,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: like that stink isn't really on him. But I personally
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: would have Lobulo well ahead of Cora. So I think
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Cora is going to be first in line for whatever
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: job he might want. I mean, it's been, he's been
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: tied to the Phillies since the day he was fired
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: by the, the Red Sox. And then, You know, everybody
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: else can be fighting for that next guy. The Mets
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: have already locked up Andy Green. You know, we'll see
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: what the Angels do. Kurt Suzuki was on a one-year deal. So,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: you know, they could retain him, but that job is
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: technically open. If I'm Lovullo, I'm looking around. I think
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: the Mariners are, if not the best. No, you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: it might be the best job available out there. But again,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: that's me looking at the talent level and saying, you know,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I want this team because I think this team can
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: bounce back to 95 wins next year.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Well, that's my question. By the way, Austin Riley, nice
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: when your No. 8 hitter hits a three-run home run, huh?
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Atlanta now leads 5-3 and heading to the top of
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the ninth in that first game against the Phillies. I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: was just going to ask you that to wrap things up.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: How good a job is this? Because I think a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people here wonder that. They wonder about ownership.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: They wonder about Jerry DiPoto and Justin Hollander and how
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: how hands-on they are, is ownership really truly committed to
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: winning and all those things. This is why we love
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: having a guy on from back east that looks at
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: baseball from a national perspective. How good is the Mariners' job?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I think being frustrated with Mariners' ownership is fair, but
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: when you look around at Bob Nutting, and Bob Castellini,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and the Sherman tanks in Kansas City and Miami, and
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: the really bad ownership situations, you appreciate that the Mariners
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: are probably average as far as that goes. I personally
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: would like to work with Jerry DiPoto. I think Jerry DiPoto,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: he's got to get somebody to do the front-facing stuff
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: for him. where he doesn't talk to the media, and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: other people handle that stuff, because I think that's where
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: he gets himself in trouble. He's said some things over
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: the years that have alienated fans, and I think he's right,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: but he shouldn't say them. The job is a PR component,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: and I would have no problem if I were looking
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: for a managerial job working under Manners ownership and working
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: under Jerry DiPoto. I think that's a really, really good
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: landing spot for anybody who wants a job. And you
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: know me. I mean, as a guy on staff, I
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: don't believe he was one of the ones. Did they
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: cut Manny loose yesterday? I know they cut a bunch
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: of guys loose yesterday. Cut who?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Manny Acta?
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: Yes. Yes.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: He was one of the guys cut loose?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: He was one of the guys cut loose.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: That's funny. You've got a really good managerial candidate already in-house,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: and you fire him as a guy. Don't get me
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: started on Manny Acta. But I think that Lovullo to
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the Mariners would be good for both sides.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: They retain the pitching side of things. Pete Woodworth and
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: his staff on the pitching side. Everybody else got let
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: go yesterday.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: That's weird given the collapse of the rotation down the stretch.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Isn't it? I thought that was strange. I think we
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: all thought that was strange. And then he says, well,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: you know, the new manager is going to have complete autonomy. No,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: he's not. He's stuck with the pitching staff.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: If it's autonomy to fire the guys that you.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: Retain, sure.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Define autonomy. Listen, for folks that are jacked
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: about the playoffs, even if our local team's not in it,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Joe Sheehan Newsletter, tell folks about what you've got going
• 48:38
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• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Uh, Joe Sheehan.com. I've, you know, did a piece, I
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: did a piece yesterday about, uh, overall trends. I think
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: we'll see in the playoffs. I thought there wouldn't be
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of runs scored. So eight runs in eight
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: innings in Atlanta makes already makes me look dumb. Uh,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: you've got a stat blast today. I did a whole
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: bunch of stat notes on teams. We'll do full previews
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: for the remaining series, the four division series, and then
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: the LCS and the world series. Some of the most
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: popular stuff I do all year is cover the playoffs.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: So check it out.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You can see excerpts and actually, uh, samples of previous years,
• 49:08
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• 49:11
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• 49:15
  Speaker 3: before the World Series ends. And then you know there's
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of off-field coverage in the offseason
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: there won't be any way to avoid the fact that
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: hey we got.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: To cover the lockout And the good news is, I
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: heard him say this, Ashley, a couple weeks ago. Joe said, hey,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: just check in any time in the offseason if need be.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I did hear him say that. I believe you said that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we end when the Mariners season ends.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: That's your call.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I'll come on any time.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And we will, and trust me, we'll lean on you
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: probably as the playoffs get deeper. We'll lean on you
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: when the managerial search heats up or they hire somebody
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: and we'll lean on you when we have to deal
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: with the nonsense that will be the collective bargaining agreement
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and labor strife, which will happen. We will talk again
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: very soon. In the meantime, Joe, first of all, big
• 49:56
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• 49:59
  Speaker 2: We did it a few years ago. We're off for
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: a year or two. We're back in the last few
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: years doing this. I really enjoy the conversations every Tuesday.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I know our listeners do as well. So Joe, thank
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: you so much. Joe Sheehan newsletter, joesheehan.com. Go check it out.
• 50:11
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• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Nate. A lot of fun talking to you and
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Anders and Jess and Ashley and everybody. And like I said,
• 50:18
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• 50:20
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• 50:21
  Speaker 2: There you go. JoeSheehan.com, folks. Go check it out. We'll
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: take a break. Come back. We've got a Daily Power
• 50:25
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• 50:27
  Speaker 1: It's time for Ian's weekly visit with John Lund, Unleashed,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the Bay Area rock star who Ian's been kicking around
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: for a couple of decades. They'll be talking NFC West,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the Niners, and the Hawks. Sponsored by Chambers Bay Distillery, land-crafted, ocean-aged,
• 50:44
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• 50:47
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• 50:47
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• 50:51
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• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Bites in mixed seating spaces.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: With barbecues, Bar seats, tables, and couches.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Now attempting to keep the 49ers stocked to a minimum,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: here's John Lund with Ian.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to Chambers Bay Distillery, the brand new sponsor
• 51:06
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• 51:09
  Speaker 2: a Tuesday here on the radio show. Chambers Bay Straight Bourbon,
• 51:13
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• 51:17
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• 51:20
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• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the oak barrels mature in a floating boathouse on Puget Sound,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: where the natural movement and maritime environment enhance the aging
• 51:33
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• 51:36
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• 51:40
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• 51:42
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• 51:45
  Speaker 2: checking on possible shipment of a gift to you.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Let's go.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: To you, sir, down there in the John Lund headquarters,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: wherever that may be today.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: Here's the thing.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: You'll have to send it to the 3-0 castle.
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: You see, I don't know if I can speak with
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: you today.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Because you're just 2-1. I knew that was coming.
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: And I'm 3-0. It's a beautiful castle here.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: I wish you could stay, but it's much too uppity
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: The view is wonderful.
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: The food, the grapes. Oh, it's just amazing.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: You guys beat Miami. You beat Miami, man. You beat
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the JV team.
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: We beat the Rams.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: And we appreciate that. They didn't beat a duck.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: They didn't beat an old Oregon duck, Marcus Mariota. Marcus
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: Mariota looked like a Hall of Famer.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: What was that?
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: What happened to Mike McDonald?
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Was Mike McDonald.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Hungover on those third downs?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: They had.
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: Listen.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: The Marcus Mariota led Washington commanders had 280 yards of offense.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it was really the defense's fault,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: or maybe just maybe it would have been the three turnovers.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: That might have been the problem. I could be wrong.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I tell you, when we had Sam Darnold here,
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: he never threw.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I think I'm coaching. I mean, when he was under
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, he never threw. Because he never played. He
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: never played. Come on, man.
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: Don't confuse the people with the facts. He never threw
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: three picks.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He never threw pick sixes. He never did any of
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that here.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: So that must be like he's just not under the
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: hand of Kyle Shanahan anymore, and clearly he's lost his way.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: He may have to come back. He may have to
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: come back to.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: Get a refresher course.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: We don't do that here. We don't throw pick sixes
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: around here. This just in from Alan and the crew
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: at Chambers Bay Distillery. Tell Len to go buy a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: plastic bottle of Potters.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a feeling that that sponsor would be short-lived.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I thought that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: That was like, hey, tell that guy we're not sponsoring
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: this crap.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: Are you kidding me?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Tell him we're done. They're Husky fans, too. If you
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: want to start trashing Washington, that'll really help process. Oh,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: my God. That was horrible.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: Minnesota. Yeah.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: Just because Minnesota, Michigan, I think are on big Fox
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: noon kickoff thing or whatever that thing is.
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: It's like, that's not a good PJ.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: Fleck running all around. Like he's Sean McVay. I mean,
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: what the hell is that on your home field?
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened to Washington's quarterback, man?
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: I thought that guy was supposed to be good.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: LSU wanted to pay him like $ 10 million, didn't they?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he's upset because he's only making
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: $ 4. 5 million, so he's pretty upset by that. I would
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: be too. That is not much. That is not much money.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Do not refer to them as we, by the way,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: because that's not a we. It's not a we thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: It's not an Ian thing by any chance. That's a
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: good point. I might have been saying.
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: I'll take that one back.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: One thing.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: I'll take that one back.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I might have been saying roll the boat on Saturday night.
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: So.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: Row the boat.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: Row the boat.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Minnesota. Land of a thousand lakes. All right, let's get
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: to it. What the hell's going on? What's going on
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: in this year's NFL? Let's share something fun for a second.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Let's share something fun. Did we all enjoy watching not
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: just the Rams lose, but lose where they really kind
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: of got screwed over? I thought that was sensational. It's
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: one thing to lose when you just get whooped and
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: beat like the Niners did to them the first week,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: but really... A couple of egregious calls going against them.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm sure you guys down in
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: the Bay Area did, too. I loved it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I loved every second of it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: Like, oh, yeah, it should have been an interception and
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: this and that.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: You can't look at PI. And then I was watching
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: ESPN the next day, and they were saying how they
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: should be able to look at pass interference again. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I have Mike Ferreira on my show from Fox. Mike
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: lives in Northern California.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Like they tried it for that one season and all
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: season long, he was just, he said behind the scenes,
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: people were losing their minds. It'll never come back. It's
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: just the dumbest concept ever. And you know, look, it happens,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: but it couldn't happen to a nicer team. Like, here's
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: one thing we can agree on that. Seeing the Rams
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: at one and two, when all the preseason hype and this,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: that the other, and it's like, you got to play man.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: And by the way, the other great thing that you
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: saw was how many times Aaron Donald got pancaked twice.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, just smoked twice.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: And look, at least pro football focus, whatever you believe
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: on that, they have Denver as the number one line
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: in the league, and that's.
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: A good offensive line.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: And Aaron Donald did next to nothing, and then you
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: didn't have Miles Garrett, whatever, and no Puka Nakua.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: That's part of the league, and it's part of injuries.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I couldn't have, because the best thing in
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: sports right now to me, is when Sean McVay takes
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: his play card and hits himself in the head with
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: it because he knows the game's over.
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: That was awesome when that happened.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: He just points himself in the head on that fourth
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: and one or whatever it was. Points himself in the
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: head with his card and it's like, dude, put that
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: on a loop, a never-ending loop.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I love it. The Aaron Donald thing's an interesting one
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: because I was going to ask you. I watch him
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and it's They focus so much on him in the broadcast.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: And rightfully so. The guy's a first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: He's coming back. He's a huge name. Multiple-time Defensive Player
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: of the Year. All those things. And as you watch him, like...
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: He'll make a play, but it's not like he makes
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: that many more plays than, to me at least, the
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: average guy.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: When you're talking to your NFL guys down there, what
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: they're saying, I'll probably talk to Cosell about it on
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Friday a little bit and just say, hey, what are
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: we seeing from Aaron Donald? Because they put a lot
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: of eggs in that basket. I mean, obviously the Miles
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Garrett thing, he'll come back at some point, and that's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: going to help them immensely. But they're thinking, hey, we
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: get these two guys– Now, Garrett's going to help him immensely,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: but if Aaron Donald's just a guy, now maybe he
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: ends up getting better as the year goes on, gets
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: his ski legs, but if he's just a guy, that'll
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: be a disappointment for them.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: Well, here's the other thing too, is, and I don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: know Seattle's cap situation.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: So you can tell me that, but you know, it's.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Not like he's cheap.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I think he's making like 20 million bucks and I
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: expect him to get better, but a 35 year old.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: Guy who hasn't played for two years, I don't care how.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Good you are. There's probably going to be some drop
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: off at the beginning.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: And I do expect him to get better.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: However, if he doesn't, Let me give you an example,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: say with like the 49ers, the 49ers have a Superbowl
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: caliber offense and they Mike Evans are not Purdy's playing
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: at a really high level.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: And your guy McCaffrey starting to warm up a little bit.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: They finally went with, I think with 19 touches in
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: the backup only at four. So, you know, Kyle's going
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: back to the, to the well on that a bunch
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: of times, George Kittle, six catches for 82 yards and
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: two touchdowns. He, even though he's coming out from the
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Achilles at eight at age 32, But their defense, the
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: numbers lie. The metrics say that the defense has given
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: up like 16 points a game, and they're 3.7 to carry,
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: and they're this great defense.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: They're not what they were. They're not a Super Bowl-caliber defense.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: It's just been, like you said, some weak competition, and
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: the Rams stunk. because of the travel at the beginning.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: So they're going to have to do some work.
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: On the defense.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: They've got $ 50 million in salary case cap space, which
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: is number one in the league. And they've got extra
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: picks and all this kind of stuff. They're in a position,
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: as you know, with, okay, there's a bunch of injuries,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: especially on the defensive line. They can go out and
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: get somebody, you know, they, they've got, they're going to
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: have that ability and I don't Seattle may, but the
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: Rams don't, you know, the Rams have put so much,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: like you said, that money in this, this whole thing,
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: the eggs in the basket of Aaron Donald, he was
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: their big pickup. And at the deadline, unless I'm wrong here,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: they don't have money to do that. They don't have
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: endless money. And so they've got age. They've got injuries.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: They're already starting out a little bit slow. and they're
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: not going to have that ability to go make that
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: big splash. The 49ers do. Like I said, I don't
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: know what the cap situation is for Seattle. I'm sure
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: John Snyder's great at manipulating, and it's a fluid situation.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: You can always redo a guy's.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Contract or whatever to get somebody in, but the Niners
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: don't even have to do that. They could add one,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: they could add two guys at the deadline on their
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: defense because their defense needs it. Their offense, Super Bowl caliber,
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: their defense is not.
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  Speaker 2: This is the third straight home game for the 49ers
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: coming up against Denver, huh? What are you playing, a
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: whole back half of the schedules on the road or what?
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And that's where it is, is they're going to
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: get off to a great start.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't even be shocked.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: I'll probably be a hundred percent wrong in this because
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: that's what I am. So don't bet, bet against me. You'll,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: you'll make a bunch of money, but I mean, they
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: could be nine and one. I mean, I think they're
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: going to lose up at Seattle.
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  Speaker 7: I don't, I don't think they.
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  Speaker 2: Win that game. It'll be good, but I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to win that game, but they, all.
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  Speaker 7: The rest of their schedule, it's not really a tough schedule.
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  Speaker 5: But then they get to the backside of the schedule,
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  Speaker 5: and it's, you know, the division games and Kansas City's
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  Speaker 5: in there and Philly's in there, and Philly didn't look
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  Speaker 5: very good last night. But, you know, there's a lot
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: of tough games, and a lot of those games are
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  Speaker 5: on the road in the second half of the season. So, yeah,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: they could build a real gaudy record, and everybody could
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: be looking at the 49ers and going, hey, they look
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: pretty good. And not that they're not, but the backside
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  Speaker 5: of their schedule is where the tough games happen, and
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  Speaker 5: a lot of them happen on the road.
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  Speaker 2: hurting you a little bit. And I would just kind
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  Speaker 2: we know this, there will be at least one, probably
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  Speaker 2: two wildcard teams out of the NFC West. So you
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: start looking around the rest of the NFC, that right-hand column,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: that lost column, they start adding up. And I'll just
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  Speaker 2: look to the Dallas Cowboys right off the get-go at
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  Speaker 2: one and two. They got issues down there again. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: They got issues again down in Dallas. They've given up
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  Speaker 2: 82 points already this season.
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  Speaker 5: Wow. You know, and, and years and years and years ago,
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  Speaker 5: I covered them. And the problem in Dallas is number one,
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  Speaker 5: the owner.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't die to win.
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  Speaker 5: He, he, his main thing or his scoreboard is on
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: the financial side of things. And he creates these issues
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  Speaker 5: and there's a weird pressure. And Texas is just a,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: is a football state. And it's just, it's, it's almost
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  Speaker 5: like playing in New York, playing for the Cowboys. And
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  Speaker 5: sometimes you can handle it. Sometimes you don't. And he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't quell the things down. You Jerry goes to the
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  Speaker 5: middle and everybody starts asking Jerry questions.
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  Speaker 2: It undermines the coach, whoever is the coach there.
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  Speaker 7: He doesn't want a big-name coach.
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  Speaker 5: He wants somebody he can control. The whole dynamic in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: Dallas is not conducive to winning. And they thought they
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: fixed their defense.
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  Speaker 6: They did not.
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  Speaker 5: Dak is always a conversation point. He doesn't always handle
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  Speaker 5: it the best way.
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  Speaker 2: They're just a mess.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: George Pickens is going back to moody George Pickens ways.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's hard to play there. And I just
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: don't think they have the personnel. And everybody said that
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  Speaker 5: they were going to have this great defense.
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  Speaker 7: I don't see it.
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  Speaker 5: And then you, you talked about like the NFC, there's
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  Speaker 5: something around the Eagles. I don't know what it is
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  Speaker 5: because I thought AJ Brown was going to be addition
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  Speaker 5: by subtraction.
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  Speaker 7: There's still a weirdness.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe it's Nick Sirianni and he needs to go, but
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  Speaker 5: the Eagles, I don't think are a contender at.
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  Speaker 7: This point, even though they're two and one, they're just
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  Speaker 7: too weird.
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  Speaker 5: Chicago last night was great. You had the third stringer
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: is their defense, the defense to give up 37 or
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  Speaker 5: the last two weeks.
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  Speaker 7: I don't trust Minnesota at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, no. I mean, we all know Kyler.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Kyler's Kyler's not the answer. And I don't
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  Speaker 7: think that Wentz at this.
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  Speaker 5: Point is a, is a full-time starter. Um, Um, so look, I,
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  Speaker 5: all these, the Packers are a complete mess. The lions
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: don't have a defense. So, you know, for all those
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  Speaker 5: things that are happening, it's still going to come down
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  Speaker 5: to the NFC West.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I don't care that the ramp, just like.
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  Speaker 5: You said, I don't care that the Rams are wanting to,
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  Speaker 5: it's going to come down to the Rams, the Niners
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  Speaker 5: and the Seahawks and the other divisions are good. And
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  Speaker 5: somebody might be able to do something, but You know what?
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  Speaker 5: And I don't believe in anybody in the South. So
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  Speaker 5: I like the numbers that Shuck is putting up, even
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: though he's a former Duck. I mean, he's putting up
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: some numbers for New Orleans, but they're not very good.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to come down to the three teams that
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  Speaker 5: you and I are always talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like I said, the hard thing here in this
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: division is that one of those teams is going to
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  Speaker 2: have home field advantage, and the other two have to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: go on the road. Because there's going to be two
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: wildcard teams coming out. It's like the AL East in
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: baseball this year. You know, three best records were all one, two, three,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: those three teams. And yet two of those teams have
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: to go on the road for the postseason when it's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: all said and done. John Lund joining us, brought to
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• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: and people were chiming in on the text line, we're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: going to bust your chops here about yet another injury,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Bosa hurt, and you don't even have enough room on
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: the injury list right now. You can't even do that.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: And then the next day, Julian Love, we find out,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: is hurt, and he's going to miss the game. So
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: both starting safeties for Seattle are out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, and, and the starting right guard, which
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: everybody used to hate on. Now they're like, God, when's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Bradford coming back? We need Bradford. It's like, weren't you
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: guys all hating on Bradford a year ago? I could
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: have sworn that was the case. Uh, but, but the injuries,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: what the hell happened to Bosa?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: It's the weirdest thing. I mean, I don't even know
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: what to say anymore. You know, like we, every day
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: we're like, if you got a theory.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: If you got it, you know, Bosa's played on a ball.
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  Speaker 2: He's had a lot of injuries.
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  Speaker 5: He's had three ACLs, two on one, his right knee,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: one on his left. He's had all sorts of muscle injuries,
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  Speaker 5: but they work out like crazy, but you're starting to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: see him like, is he, you know, is Nick mostly
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: going to be Joey Bosa? I mean, Joey Bosa is 31.
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  Speaker 2: He's out of the league, right? He's just had so
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  Speaker 2: many injuries.
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  Speaker 5: And Nick is going down that path. And I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if it's because they work out too hard or
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  Speaker 5: whatever the case may be. But so he was warming
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  Speaker 5: up before practice last Thursday and he pulled a calf muscle.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Like who does that in warmup, you know, just really weird.
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  Speaker 5: And so he's out at least three weeks. And so
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: they had to bring in Matthew Jude on it's two
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  Speaker 5: position groups.
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  Speaker 7: It's the defensive line is the wide receiver.
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  Speaker 5: So they, they had to bring in Matthew Jude on
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  Speaker 5: who hasn't been effective since like 22.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: And he was with the Ravens and the, and the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: And then they brought in Brandon cooks.
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  Speaker 7: Who's been on just.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: About every team imaginable for the wide receiver group because
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: it's every single week. And when Kyle does his press conferences,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: We carry it.
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  Speaker 7: But I tell the guys, I'm like, let's just carry
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: the first.
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  Speaker 5: Five to seven minutes. Cause that's the injuries. And that's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: all that really matters. Who cares about all the other,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: you know, side talk. But it's, you know, who's going
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: to play this week. And he's saying like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Mike Evans at 33 is day to day. Aren't we all,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: but Mike Evans at 33 might play, might not play.
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  Speaker 5: They've already got a ton of injuries at wide receiver
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  Speaker 5: and then defensive line. It's like, what's going on with
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: both of what's going on. You know, there's tons of
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  Speaker 5: different guys.
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  Speaker 7: So they're having to.
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  Speaker 2: Bring in these vets.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this, this thing that happened during the pandemic
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  Speaker 5: where you could put these veterans on a practice squad,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: it might as well be the 49ers rule. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they've got like three or four vets on their practice
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  Speaker 5: squad because if they, you know, they may activate an
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  Speaker 5: opinion on who can play, but like Brandon cooks may
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  Speaker 5: play this week off the practice squad. Cause we don't
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  Speaker 5: know what's going on with Mike Evans and all Evans
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  Speaker 5: has done is.
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  Speaker 7: He's got 12 passes.
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  Speaker 2: He's got 12 first downs and three touchdowns. He's been ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: And what happens on every play, what Evans has meant
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: to them is on every play, why Purdy is better.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: I think is that he's got an advantage with Kittle.
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  Speaker 5: He's got an advantage with CMC and he's got an
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: advantage of Mike Evans. Evans is six, five with 35
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: inch arms. I know he's been around forever, but like he,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: if it's contested, he's going to get it. So Purdy's like, okay,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: I got three advantages when I snapped the ball. And
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  Speaker 5: if Evans is out, then that's a, that's a major
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  Speaker 5: deal for.
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  Speaker 2: The 49ers offense. He's been awesome. Yeah, he still may
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: have the best defensive player in the division and maybe
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: the conference as well in Warner. I know people get mad.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: What about Fred Warner? He's good. We saw last year
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  Speaker 2: when he was out. He had 17 tackles.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He had 17 tackles last week.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: He's 29.
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  Speaker 7: He's coming off a major injury.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's going to be two linebackers. These guys
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: go to the Hall of Fame and everything, and it's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: a different age or whatever. When all is said and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: done with this age of linebackers, it's going to come
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: down to Fred Warner and Bobby Wagner. Those are the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: two guys that had the speed and could cover everybody
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: and yet could still thump you in the middle.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: They could blitz.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: They could do everything. To me, those are the best
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: two linebackers of the generation. I'll give Bobby Wagner a
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: ton of credit, Utah State Aggie. But him and Warner,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: they're the prototype linebacker that you want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. All right, we'll take this off and say
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  Speaker 2: goodbye and good luck against the Broncos. God, second week
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: in a row we're in Seattle rooting for the Denver Broncos.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: We feel dirty. Absolutely dirty about that.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: I know, that is.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Just awful.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: That is really dirty.
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  Speaker 2: When we check in next.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, root for Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I know. And by the way, I know
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: you got to go, and I know I was.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Late, but one really quick thing. Yes. Mike McDonald would
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: never give up play calling duties. Kyle Shanahan would never
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: give up play calling duties.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: Why is Sean McVay giving up play calling duties.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: To Davis Webb?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: It's like, Davis Webb, you.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: Want to go somewhere else and be the OC and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: possibly head coach?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: You hired Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 7: To call plays.
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  Speaker 5: In Denver, and then they're struggling offensively.
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  Speaker 6: It just.
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  Speaker 5: And he's getting pissed, too. You can see on the sideline, like,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't call this.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Every cutaway is Davis Webb sweating. Like, oh, my God,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: what am I doing? This guy's looking over my shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: I'm done.
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  Speaker 5: He did his fourth game calling games against the Rams,
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  Speaker 5: and there's Sean.
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  Speaker 7: Payton with years of experience in the Super.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: Bowl, and he's not calling plays?
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  Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: What are you doing?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I know you've got to go. I've got to go.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you next week when we're getting ready
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  Speaker 2: for the game against the 49ers. See you. That's John Lund.
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  Speaker 6: Bye-bye.
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