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Bomani Jones Talks Tom Brady, Kyrie Irving Trade, Lebron's GOAT Status, Game Theory + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning Breakfast club morning.
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Speaker 1: Everybody is tj Envy Charlemagne the guy. We are the
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Speaker 1: breakfast club. We got a special guests in the building. Yes, indeed,
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Speaker 1: Monty Jones, welcome back. While you get that seat and
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Speaker 1: I got to sit over here and this joint you know,
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Speaker 1: y'all y'all are throned out. Y'all are really minimizing your
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Speaker 1: guests with this whole strategy. How does that work? We
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Speaker 1: have multiple guests, like and so who gets the throne?
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Speaker 1: Sound like y'all just need a whole bunch of thrones.
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Speaker 1: Like I've seen this like Kylie Coward he said that
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Speaker 1: set up, but his desk was up here and his
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Speaker 1: guests would be sitting down there. Lebron always sitting in
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Speaker 1: the high chair on the shop. Everybody else sitting on
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Speaker 1: the ground. I see what this is. Well, Charlemagne, bout
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Speaker 1: the thrones? Okay? Were about the thrones? I thought because
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Speaker 1: he was short, he wanted to be a little highest
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Speaker 1: is the reason I thought. But you just never know.
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Speaker 1: I just like to set up. I like how it
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Speaker 1: looks to a camera. But welcome brother, even to a
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Speaker 1: game theory? Man, Yeah, man, how are you feeling. Hey man, we're,
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Speaker 1: you know, out here on the stroll selling these ways
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Speaker 1: for everybody, anybody that wants me to walk to stroll
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Speaker 1: to look pretty. That's the end of like the trickiest
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Speaker 1: part of it. But doing the show itself, Man, it's
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Speaker 1: been great like this. I mean, this is the thing
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Speaker 1: that I always wanted to do, and now we get
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Speaker 1: to do it, and we get to keep doing it.
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Speaker 1: At least we get to keep doing it through this season.
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Speaker 1: I don't get to make decisions past that. But we
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Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about today. So let's jump
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Speaker 1: right into Super Bowl this weekend. Who you got and why?
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Speaker 1: All right? I'm going with the Chiefs. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know if the Chiefs are the better team, but I
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Speaker 1: just can't pick against my homes. Man. How's his leg though?
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Speaker 1: How's his foot? I mean, he got two of them,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like one of them might
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Speaker 1: not be as good as the other one was, but
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Speaker 1: he got to like and I made this mistake the
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Speaker 1: last time they had the Super Bowl, Like, I'm not
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Speaker 1: picking them because they had my homes because that got
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Speaker 1: me in trouble when they lost to the Bucks. But
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Speaker 1: I can't pick against him. Well, then that Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: you probably could have after of who they were playing, well,
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It wasn't about Tom Brady. It's when I
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Speaker 1: turned the TV yall and saw they had all them
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Speaker 1: back up offensive linement, and immediately I was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be wrong on television the ball Like sometimes you
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Speaker 1: just look up. The game doesn't have to go. I
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Speaker 1: just saw to du that left tackle who got Cam Newton.
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Speaker 1: Damn they're killed in that Super Bowl. I was just like, up,
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Speaker 1: sometimes you're wrong. Yeah. Now you did say, Tom Brady,
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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Brady finally retiring? Dude forty
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Speaker 1: six years old? Like, I don't even understand what the delivery.
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Speaker 1: He's still competing, He's still competing, But some of the
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Speaker 1: dudes that are hitting him into kidneys like this, this
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Speaker 1: is just me personally. I would imagine at that age,
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Speaker 1: I am forty two, and I know how much you
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Speaker 1: can hurt just working out, just waking up. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this dude's out here get getting buy out by everybody,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you know, I think I might
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Speaker 1: want to do that, na na na nah. So I
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Speaker 1: am amazed that he pulled it off for as long
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Speaker 1: as he did. And I am glad that he walked
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Speaker 1: away before it got to be terribly embarrassing because he
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Speaker 1: was gonna be out here next year. It was gonna
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Speaker 1: be depressing for all of us think oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: what if he don't went to San Francisco or something.
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Speaker 1: It's still been looking depressing. Man. Everybody gets old. Like
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Speaker 1: I know, he got out as a stretching and his
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Speaker 1: strawberry ice cream and everything else. But in the end,
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Speaker 1: I mean, he can't eat strawberries. That's his thing. He
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Speaker 1: does not eat strawberries. Everybody gets old. And I think
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Speaker 1: Cass like him and Lebron have fooled us into thinking
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Speaker 1: that you can live forever. Nope, everybody that's thought they
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Speaker 1: could go forever, it's gone one day too long. And
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Speaker 1: me to sit there and cry, well, we never we
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Speaker 1: had We really never saw Brady have a decline. I
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Speaker 1: just don't think he had the team around him this year. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's good to get out ahead of
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Speaker 1: that clime. It's coming, like no matter who you are,
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Speaker 1: it's coming. Now. You mentioned Lebron, is Lebron the goat.
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Speaker 1: Now he's about to pass the record in the next school.
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Speaker 1: A couple of days, the conversation is coming back. No,
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Speaker 1: why no, because there's a dude named Jordan. I agree,
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Speaker 1: that's what I mean. That's that's no insult to Lebron.
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Speaker 1: But like I remember, at one point, it's like fifteen
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Speaker 1: years ago and I was doing radio and I would say,
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Speaker 1: Lebron James is the best player I ever saw, and
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Speaker 1: I had this whole clinical argument, like he does this
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Speaker 1: better than Mike, he does this better than Mike, he
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Speaker 1: does this better than Mike, and I could go through
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Speaker 1: all of that, and then you go to YouTube and
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Speaker 1: you're like, what was I talking about, Like none of
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Speaker 1: this matters. There was that dude, and then there's everybody else,
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Speaker 1: like the last dance, which was so funny because it
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Speaker 1: was so clear that Mike looked around and was like,
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Speaker 1: these kids just think I'm about some shoes. I need
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Speaker 1: to show them who they are. And then I watched it.
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Speaker 1: It was like, YO, great idea, Mike, because I don't
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Speaker 1: see how they could watch this and think anything other
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Speaker 1: than there's never been anything like this before. No insult
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Speaker 1: to Lebron, you know. But I also think that part
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Speaker 1: of the scoring record of what's important to him is
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Speaker 1: he's still making that case, right, I have a case
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Speaker 1: against Jordan, assist and scoring everybody. I'm just here to
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Speaker 1: tell you, I don't think you have a cay. It's
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Speaker 1: cool to be yourself, right. You just gotta realize you're
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Speaker 1: not gonna convince us like the people who you have
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Speaker 1: not convinced it's over. That decision has been made. The
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Speaker 1: ones that know you cool, they're gonna ride with you,
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna decide this is your program. Everybody else. Now,
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Speaker 1: we made our call. I don't have bron over Kobe,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's wild. See I think that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. We always think Kobe is the
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Speaker 1: closest thing to Jordan, right, and people don't want to
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Speaker 1: give it to Cobe. That's steven Na Smith say. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to give it the Kobe because all he
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Speaker 1: did with mimic Jordan. You know how good you gotta
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Speaker 1: be the mimic Mine don't know. I give him credit,
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Speaker 1: But that's like saying that Shane is better than somebody
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Speaker 1: because he's the closest thing to Biggie. Now, great, Kobe's
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Speaker 1: a lot better than Sean was as a rapper, But
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Speaker 1: it's just like he reminds me of isn't quite enough.
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Speaker 1: Lebron got too many victories. Like I know Kobe has
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Speaker 1: the championships, but that run basically from twenty ten to
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen, when he's going to the
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Speaker 1: finals every year and the only thing that's constant is Lebron. James,
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Speaker 1: y'all only do that with Braun When it comes to
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, nobody said the Bills one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest football teams of all time. They went to the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl four times, but they didn't go to Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl eight times, and they didn't win the four right, right,
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Speaker 1: But they didn't. But if they had won a couple
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Speaker 1: of long the way we could talk about Like I'm
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Speaker 1: an Atlanta Braves fan, right, I don't say they're the
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Speaker 1: greatest baseball run of it just because they had fifteen
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Speaker 1: straight division championships or anything else, but Lebron being the
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Speaker 1: constant between two franchises and a whole bunch of different
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Speaker 1: ways to get this done. Nah, man, you can't. There's
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Speaker 1: no shade as you can throw on what he I'm
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Speaker 1: not throwing shade. I'm just saying he's the person that we,
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, we make a concession too when it
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Speaker 1: comes to not winning. That's fair. And when Kobe was
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Speaker 1: missing the playoffs and out here the last four years
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Speaker 1: looking you know, beat down and everything, stay passed problem,
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Speaker 1: that's right, but you cut them slack for it, Like,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. We cut Kobe a lot
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Speaker 1: of slack. He was hurt. I think the one thing
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Speaker 1: that Braun doesn't have that Kobe has that Jordan has
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Speaker 1: is the will to win. There was just something different
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Speaker 1: about Jordan when he was on the court in those
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Speaker 1: final minutes. You knew he wasn't gonna lose this game.
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Speaker 1: The same thing with Kobe. Brun not so much. See,
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Speaker 1: I disagree. I think Kobe had the will to take
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Speaker 1: shots every time. Like when we talk about the mama
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Speaker 1: mentality stuff like it's it's been long enough now that
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Speaker 1: we can have an honest reassessment of Kobe. And so
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Speaker 1: the thing for me about that is every time you
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Speaker 1: hear about Kobe and the drive and the passion and
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Speaker 1: everything else, it's all about one man. Kobe's thing is
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Speaker 1: I am going to get myself all the way right,
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Speaker 1: and if the rest of y'all do it, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: be cool. Right. What made Braun different than Kobe was
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Speaker 1: I can take Braun out here with four dudes that
6:35
Speaker 1: we get off a fifth avenue, and he'll be like
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Speaker 1: Buddy from the sand Life. If you go stand over
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Speaker 1: there and hold your glove up and just stand right there,
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Speaker 1: the ball's gonna come to you. That's what Lebron's got,
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Speaker 1: what Kobe's guy is. Man. If y'allould just give me
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Speaker 1: the ball and just let me get these buckets, this
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Speaker 1: will be our best chance. I don't see that as
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Speaker 1: the will to win. I see that as the will
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Speaker 1: to be the person who does the thing. Jordan was
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Speaker 1: like that, Jordan. I think part of that's the North
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Speaker 1: Carolina thing, where now then you had to get a
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Speaker 1: ball to somebody else and then go figure it out.
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Speaker 1: But Jordan had a better understanding the team dynamics. They look, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm not an only child, but I grew up kind
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Speaker 1: of as an only child playing basketball in a driveway.
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Speaker 1: That's Kobe. Kobe got a driveway game, right. He got
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Speaker 1: all by himself, moves all that stuff. When you imagine
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Speaker 1: you ain't got to think about nobody else. He's shoot
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Speaker 1: doing crazy fall aways. And everything else because you're playing
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Speaker 1: in the driveway by yourself and then he gets out
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Speaker 1: with other people. And that was the whole thing with Kobe.
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Speaker 1: The whole way was like figuring out how to interact
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Speaker 1: with other people. It was a human thing. But I
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Speaker 1: also think it was a basketball thing. And I go
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Speaker 1: with Lebron for that reason. Over that, like when Lebron
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Speaker 1: had that squad and No. Seven, Kobe can't get that
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Speaker 1: team to the finals in the East or either way,
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Speaker 1: because that's not how Kobe gets down. Lebron out here,
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Speaker 1: got Jeff McKennis out here looking like something that he
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Speaker 1: never could be. Yeah, now, Kyrie, Irvy, that was just mean,
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Speaker 1: that's what I do. Now he just got traded to
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Speaker 1: the Mavericks. What's your thoughts on on Kyrie? Does that
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Speaker 1: make that team better, worse or it doesn't matter. I
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Speaker 1: have no idea, and I don't think anybody. I don't
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Speaker 1: think anybody has no no. But he's another dude that's
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Speaker 1: in a similar place where his individual game is just
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Speaker 1: so incredible, like saying, he's the best ball handler that
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen, not even close, right, But how many
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Speaker 1: games he gonna play? He got all kinds to not
8:18
Speaker 1: show up, not coming to work. Now he's dealing with
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Speaker 1: a dude who's not accustomed to give him the ball
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Speaker 1: to anybody else. Neither one of them plays especially well
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Speaker 1: off the ball, But I don't But with the nets,
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like they got better either. Like this
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Speaker 1: is the rare time I look at the trade and
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, everybody wanted to do words. Huh. Ain't
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Speaker 1: that so? Because I told Kyrie he was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: the word was out that he might sit for the
8:37
Speaker 1: rest of the year if he doesn't get traded. Yeah,
8:39
Speaker 1: I bet you want that Max deal. You're gonna get
8:42
Speaker 1: out here and play because that's all you can do
8:44
Speaker 1: to get this money. That the worst, I should say,
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Speaker 1: the worst let down to NBA history ever. James Harden, ever,
8:50
Speaker 1: Durant ever, Kyrie ever ever doesn't make any sense. First
8:54
Speaker 1: of all, they played like a game and a half together,
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Speaker 1: like in some total. But no, ever, I can't think
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Speaker 1: of anything. Remember how we thought about that year the
9:01
Speaker 1: Lakers got Gary Payton and Carl Malone and they were old,
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Speaker 1: and we thought it was a let down When they
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Speaker 1: went to the finals. These dudes won a series, one
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Speaker 1: single solitary series and I'm just waiting to figure out
9:15
Speaker 1: when they're gonna trade Kevin Durant. But what do you do?
9:18
Speaker 1: What do you do with Kevin Durant? You to Brooklyn
9:19
Speaker 1: nets And if you are Kevin Durant, what do you
9:21
Speaker 1: want to go? Well, I can't go where it's the
9:25
Speaker 1: best place for me to Wars she had never left.
9:30
Speaker 1: I don't blame them for leaving, like I didn't blame
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Speaker 1: Kyrie for leaving Cleveland, the same way I didn't blame
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Speaker 1: Durant for leaving Goldstake. I didn't blame Kyrie for leaving
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Speaker 1: Cleveland because he left Cleveland at the same time that
9:39
Speaker 1: I left Highly Questionable to go do High Nude High.
9:42
Speaker 1: The Questionable was a very successful program. If I want
9:44
Speaker 1: to do that for the rest of my life, we'd
9:46
Speaker 1: have been down there making easy money living in Miami.
9:49
Speaker 1: But I needed more right like it wasn't I was
9:52
Speaker 1: had a very nice seat in somebody else's car. I
9:54
Speaker 1: wanted to drive a car, So sometimes you gotta go
9:57
Speaker 1: drive a car. Right. That's where ky he was when
10:00
Speaker 1: he left Cleveland. What if you're not a driver, though,
10:02
Speaker 1: well he thought he was a driver. I personally believe
10:05
Speaker 1: that I was a driver, But I have to say
10:07
Speaker 1: that car I drove on high dude didn't quite stay
10:09
Speaker 1: on the road right. Luckily I got another chance to
10:10
Speaker 1: drive a car, but he wanted to be a driver.
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Speaker 1: You deserve a chance to see if you can do that,
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Speaker 1: if somebody would give you that opportunity. With Durant, can
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Speaker 1: you imagine being possibly the best player on planet Earth?
10:21
Speaker 1: And they'll never love he as much as this other
10:22
Speaker 1: dude right here, And everybody loves Steff right, So if
10:26
Speaker 1: it comes down to a battle of like who side
10:28
Speaker 1: we got, you're never gonna win over Stepp. And in
10:31
Speaker 1: fairness to Steff, always say this, we don't let that
10:34
Speaker 1: man be a person. And so we act like, oh,
10:36
Speaker 1: step will have no problem with Kevin Durant being very
10:38
Speaker 1: you know, it'll be easy. I assure you. It was
10:40
Speaker 1: not right. That man's got an ego, just like everybody
10:42
Speaker 1: else has an ego. So you on somebody else's team,
10:45
Speaker 1: you and somebody else's city, you're the best player in
10:47
Speaker 1: the world, and nobody cares because it's his And so
10:51
Speaker 1: he I felt like Durant one of something that was
10:54
Speaker 1: more his own. Except the problem was he brought his
10:56
Speaker 1: fuck up homeboy with him, and it became his team
10:59
Speaker 1: because when you're the one that messes everything up, it
11:02
Speaker 1: becomes your team because you're the one that we got
11:03
Speaker 1: to worry about all the time. And Kevin Durant, that dude,
11:06
Speaker 1: he's so cold that you never have to worry about him,
11:09
Speaker 1: and that gets old, man. That's right, that's right. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of Steph, I love talking spots. You know what, we
11:15
Speaker 1: can talk about so many other stuff. And I asked Stephen,
11:17
Speaker 1: they the same question when you talk about generations, right,
11:20
Speaker 1: when you look at Stephan Braun over the last ten
11:23
Speaker 1: fifteen years objectively, who who whose error really wasn't This
11:29
Speaker 1: is a this is a spicy one that I've been
11:31
Speaker 1: dealing with and trying to figure out myself, because the
11:33
Speaker 1: truth is Steph Curry won four championships on Lebron's watch,
11:37
Speaker 1: that's right, and beat Broun twice, beat him twice three
11:40
Speaker 1: times actually yes, three times, three times. Yeah, And there's
11:43
Speaker 1: no way around that he beat him on his watch
11:46
Speaker 1: while Lebron was still in his project. Let's say the Warriors,
11:50
Speaker 1: and I don't think this is going to happen, but
11:52
Speaker 1: let's say the Warriors won a championship, this year, and
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Speaker 1: that would mean that Steph had five championships and Lebron
11:58
Speaker 1: has four. Okay, I could say Lebron's a better player
12:02
Speaker 1: than Stuff. How could I say that the era did
12:05
Speaker 1: not belong to step step changed the game. He revolutionized
12:09
Speaker 1: the game of basketball and ways Braun didn't everybody played
12:13
Speaker 1: like stuff. Yeah, it's tricky though, Lebron couldn't revolutionize it
12:16
Speaker 1: because you look at Broun and you're like, oh, I
12:18
Speaker 1: can't do that, right, Like it just it's just not
12:21
Speaker 1: an option, right, Like I can't. I can't, Like there's
12:24
Speaker 1: no way that I could ever look in the mirror
12:26
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, I got that, No, and I
12:29
Speaker 1: was not happening. You feel like abouteff shooting, right, But
12:31
Speaker 1: that's the problem. People feel like that they can't do
12:34
Speaker 1: that shit either, Like I can't imagine coaching a youth
12:36
Speaker 1: league basketball team right now. For Yeah, I thought he
12:39
Speaker 1: was chucking. I was like, he has to be chucking.
12:40
Speaker 1: The way he was shot looked like he was chucking.
12:42
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, man, I was that year that
12:44
Speaker 1: Steph killed the NC double A tournament I covered. I
12:47
Speaker 1: was in the building for the first two rounds. I
12:49
Speaker 1: even told him because It kind of like changed the
12:51
Speaker 1: trajectory of my life because I was there and in
12:53
Speaker 1: between jobs, and I was watching that and I was like, no,
12:55
Speaker 1: I gotta be around this forever. Like it was that
12:58
Speaker 1: big a thing. But he was out there, He's like
12:59
Speaker 1: a hundred four five pounds. The jersey was falling off
13:02
Speaker 1: of him and dog, he was just demolished. And then
13:04
Speaker 1: they played gonzag in the first round. They had a
13:06
Speaker 1: couple of NBA players. He's just doing it to him playing,
13:09
Speaker 1: you know, just playing with regular old dudes who could
13:10
Speaker 1: get into Davidson. Right. Then they played Georgetown the next round.
13:14
Speaker 1: Georgetown was the number two seed, and Georgetown should have
13:16
Speaker 1: won day game. But that's a whole nother discussion. And
13:18
Speaker 1: Steph's doing all that and you watch it and you're like, well,
13:21
Speaker 1: he can't do that in the NBA because he's just
13:23
Speaker 1: too small. That was all it is. And then you
13:25
Speaker 1: realize after they changed the rules in the NBA, actually
13:28
Speaker 1: he can do this in the NBA. Right, So he's
13:31
Speaker 1: one of these dudes we question really just because the size.
13:34
Speaker 1: It was never a question of whether or not you
13:35
Speaker 1: had the talent or anything else. But man, if you
13:37
Speaker 1: put like a couple of tattoos on that dude. We
13:39
Speaker 1: talk about him like he's Alan Iverson because he's got
13:41
Speaker 1: handles like that. He had all of it, and at
13:45
Speaker 1: every turn he's like, I'm better than y'all think, and
13:47
Speaker 1: we're like, but stuff, we think you're the greatest shooter
13:49
Speaker 1: ever because you're really No, No, he was better every year.
13:51
Speaker 1: I got to wind up coming on the microphone and
13:53
Speaker 1: being like, guys, I swear I was saying this stuff
13:56
Speaker 1: was really good, but you were right. I did not
13:58
Speaker 1: say he was as good. I know the next time
14:00
Speaker 1: might see him, he gonna have something to say to me,
14:01
Speaker 1: because he finds out everything everybody says that it's little
14:05
Speaker 1: bideous slight, and he's gonna say something to He ran
14:08
Speaker 1: up on one of my homeboys who comes to the
14:09
Speaker 1: league because we had had a podcast discussion where I
14:12
Speaker 1: was trying to make the point he's a system player
14:14
Speaker 1: but also the system, but all that got heard was
14:17
Speaker 1: he's a system player. This is years later. He walks
14:20
Speaker 1: up to my man. Not bad for a system player, Huh.
14:24
Speaker 1: I don't think cats understand. I don't think people, Yeah,
14:28
Speaker 1: I don't think people quite get what kind of dude
14:29
Speaker 1: he is he just went to Christ's schools. That's all
14:31
Speaker 1: it is. But like but otherwise now here like us.
14:34
Speaker 1: Statement makes all the sense in the world though, because
14:36
Speaker 1: he is the system, but the system is built around him.
14:40
Speaker 1: What it is and the point we were trying to
14:42
Speaker 1: make is there's a lot of guys where you'd be like, yo,
14:44
Speaker 1: we need to win the game. Put four dudes at
14:46
Speaker 1: the bottom, you at the top. You gonna make it happen.
14:49
Speaker 1: He's not the first choice that I make to do that,
14:51
Speaker 1: which is different than guys that are typically that good.
14:54
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody trying to hear nothing that came after that though,
14:57
Speaker 1: shape and then a boy, we're out there one another one.
15:04
Speaker 1: I'm not dig in the playoffs. I never not sleeping
15:07
Speaker 1: on golden thing. Never know. That's the Clay Thompson is not.
15:10
Speaker 1: What Clay Thompson was becomes the hold up. My thing
15:14
Speaker 1: with the Warriors is it's hard to play for now
15:15
Speaker 1: and play for later at the same time if you
15:18
Speaker 1: have the opportunity. My thing is, I trade them young dudes, really, Wiseman,
15:23
Speaker 1: Moody or Commander Really, if I could get Kevin Durant back,
15:26
Speaker 1: I'll trade them all. Yeah, I mean of course yes,
15:29
Speaker 1: but I trade out like one or two. It's hard
15:31
Speaker 1: to have a bunch of dudes in their thirties and
15:32
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes it's like twenty one and like
15:34
Speaker 1: make your team happen at the same time. That's just me.
15:37
Speaker 1: I would get the young dudes out of there to
15:38
Speaker 1: try to win while I got Steff. And if I'm Steph,
15:41
Speaker 1: I go in there kicking and screaming about it as
15:43
Speaker 1: the NBA getting too violent. Now, I seem like that
15:45
Speaker 1: people are fighting more violent. I've always said, it's not violent.
15:49
Speaker 1: It's getting back to it. He's getting back to the Detroit,
15:51
Speaker 1: New York. You know why, because good basketball doesn't make
15:57
Speaker 1: people watch. Passion makes people watch. Correct, Like you think
15:59
Speaker 1: about that terrible basketball or the nineties of the late
16:02
Speaker 1: two thousands where you got finals games where a team
16:05
Speaker 1: is scoring in the fifties, But we view that more
16:08
Speaker 1: nostalgically than the game we watched. Now. We like watching
16:11
Speaker 1: dudes elbow with each other. We like watching dudes put
16:13
Speaker 1: each other around. And I said something on Game Theories
16:15
Speaker 1: the first words the season one where I was like,
16:16
Speaker 1: you realize, that's a whole generation of NBA fans that
16:19
Speaker 1: have never seen their favorite players in the fight. We
16:21
Speaker 1: have seen every single one of our favorite players everything
16:25
Speaker 1: fight somebody John, all of them top to Bobs, Yea
16:31
Speaker 1: Kobe ever did we ever? We had never seen any
16:38
Speaker 1: of these cats fight. So like that level, I'm down
16:41
Speaker 1: to see some pushing around. Like one of my favorite altercations,
16:44
Speaker 1: Joe ll NB and Karl Anthony Towns had one because
16:46
Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns was like, look, I know the rest
16:48
Speaker 1: of y'all think I'm gonna sucker, but I'm not taking
16:50
Speaker 1: that from you, and finally decided he was gonna fight him.
16:53
Speaker 1: Now where I get worried, you'll see this story about
16:55
Speaker 1: John Morant and the laser beam was gone to ye on,
17:00
Speaker 1: this is my only thing about that. Okay, now you're
17:03
Speaker 1: from not too far away where he's from from something. Yeah,
17:06
Speaker 1: I don't know what part of South Carolina that is, right,
17:09
Speaker 1: like in terms of like what it's like on the ground,
17:11
Speaker 1: but a country country. People don't understand that country got
17:14
Speaker 1: real also right, I don't know how he rolls, how
17:17
Speaker 1: he gets down, but I know a lot about Memphis.
17:20
Speaker 1: And you can play this game with that laser dot
17:22
Speaker 1: on the team bus with the Paciers. If you want to,
17:24
Speaker 1: and if you want to play these games with your
17:26
Speaker 1: NBA friends, go ahead, watch your step in that city
17:31
Speaker 1: that you live in. And that's my thought about that,
17:33
Speaker 1: Like if you ride around with your partners and that's
17:35
Speaker 1: they get down and you still got these dudes around you,
17:37
Speaker 1: which makes me wonder what you and your daddy be
17:39
Speaker 1: talking about. He had every single game and you still
17:41
Speaker 1: riding around the dudes. That's laser beam and strength. Like
17:43
Speaker 1: people like, like, what exactly are you talking about? But
17:46
Speaker 1: I hope he's careful. I really hope. There was the
17:48
Speaker 1: other story. I don't know if you saw that. Somebody
17:50
Speaker 1: sued him, um basketball playing basketball at the house. Yeah,
17:53
Speaker 1: you're I was team job. Basically, some young man that
17:58
Speaker 1: he's known forever was playing ball at his house and
18:00
Speaker 1: they had some heated altercation and the young man says
18:02
Speaker 1: he accidentally threw a ball that whiz passed Jah's head
18:06
Speaker 1: and y'all looked around allegedly and said should I do
18:09
Speaker 1: it to him? And they said yes, and they gave
18:11
Speaker 1: that board the beats um, but he was like seventeen.
18:14
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Now that comes down to a philosophical question
18:17
Speaker 1: as to like how old how old is old enough
18:19
Speaker 1: to get your ass kicked for acting like? How b
18:22
Speaker 1: seventeen year old? Somebody? Seventeen year olds pretty big man.
18:25
Speaker 1: I think seventeen was enough for me. Like at seventeen,
18:27
Speaker 1: I recognize the girl. Man, like what my ass? But
18:29
Speaker 1: then they say the NBA did an investigation and find
18:31
Speaker 1: out they couldn't confirm the laser star. Yeah, they couldn't
18:34
Speaker 1: confirm it. But uh, here's what I here's it's sound
18:38
Speaker 1: like they couldn't confirm they couldn't confirm that the laser
18:41
Speaker 1: was tied to a gun. Ridge is fair, and I
18:43
Speaker 1: think it's in all likelihood and boards are just playing
18:46
Speaker 1: around in the car with a laser. Reje had one
18:48
Speaker 1: this morning like that. I think we all like maybe
18:53
Speaker 1: I'm just from Texas. We don't play like Shannon Sharp.
18:56
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts? I love Shannon All getting with a
18:58
Speaker 1: couple of people on the court because at one time,
19:00
Speaker 1: if you agree with somebody in the corn like that,
19:02
Speaker 1: you get thrown out. I love Shannon though. Shannon is
19:05
Speaker 1: one of my favorite. You're not getting kicked out of
19:08
Speaker 1: the Staples Center whatever they call it now when you
19:11
Speaker 1: the number one lebron James fat right, let's go there.
19:14
Speaker 1: My my favorite thing about that though Dylan Brooks he
19:18
Speaker 1: was ready for that. Dylan Brooks didn't want that. I
19:20
Speaker 1: think it was Desmond Baine was the other dude that
19:22
Speaker 1: came over there. Desmon Vaine. They really want that either.
19:26
Speaker 1: Steven Adams, Oh, suddenly we have a fair fight. Steven
19:32
Speaker 1: Adams feels no paid because it perfects to pay, like
19:34
Speaker 1: like he had to reach on Shannon to mother dudes
19:37
Speaker 1: who sh had a sharp would to beat the dog
19:39
Speaker 1: shit out of the listen. You know before you go on, man,
19:43
Speaker 1: I was talking about game theory. You do game theory
19:45
Speaker 1: by yourself with talking about Shannon. When you see these
19:48
Speaker 1: heated altercations that Shannon and Skip Bayler's get into it,
19:51
Speaker 1: even saw stephen A and Jay get into yesterday. Jay williamsay,
19:55
Speaker 1: that's just something that comes with the territory. It kind
19:57
Speaker 1: of depends on the dynamic that you have with your
20:00
Speaker 1: co host. But yeah, that can I mean, you think
20:03
Speaker 1: about it, man, Them dudes is up there holling at
20:06
Speaker 1: each other for two and a half hours day, right
20:11
Speaker 1: like y'all eat here kicking it right like like the
20:13
Speaker 1: nature of your show is not antaggonistic. Right, y'all. They
20:17
Speaker 1: go at it and with the ego the Skip has
20:20
Speaker 1: and I know Skip, I know, like I don't know
20:23
Speaker 1: them like real close, but I know them well enough
20:25
Speaker 1: to talk about it in this context. And what happened
20:28
Speaker 1: was like I saw another woman with Shannon and Skip,
20:31
Speaker 1: and I may be out of turn because I don't
20:32
Speaker 1: work at that network, but Shannon didn't have to say,
20:36
Speaker 1: you could have took down the tweet. No, no, no,
20:38
Speaker 1: just let that go. Just let that go. And Skip
20:39
Speaker 1: didn't have to be like, I'm not gonna take it
20:41
Speaker 1: down and let me explain why and didn't. Whatever the
20:44
Speaker 1: old fight was happened right in front of each other.
20:46
Speaker 1: And what I've said and I hope for them is
20:49
Speaker 1: this this TV thing that back and forth only works
20:52
Speaker 1: at the people think you like each other, Like if
20:54
Speaker 1: they know you don't like each other, feel like you
20:56
Speaker 1: don't like each other, it doesn't go court has and
20:58
Speaker 1: will bond scream at each other and may be heated
21:01
Speaker 1: at each other sometimes but always at the end as
21:03
Speaker 1: a reminder that they like each other. Stephen Ay and
21:06
Speaker 1: Jay got a little bit of a different dynamic because
21:09
Speaker 1: it ain't their show, it's his show, and the last
21:14
Speaker 1: thing I saw on there, and I haven't talked to
21:15
Speaker 1: either one of them about this, but Jay did something
21:18
Speaker 1: that would have got me right there with Steven Ay
21:20
Speaker 1: with stephen A is like, Yo, you always tell me
21:21
Speaker 1: what you find interesting. Why don't you just say what
21:23
Speaker 1: you mean? Like, no, hold on, we're not doing passive
21:25
Speaker 1: aggressive about this, Like stephen A. Smith is not a
21:27
Speaker 1: person that's here for your tiptoe. He's right here say
21:31
Speaker 1: what it is that you think. But on this issue,
21:34
Speaker 1: they've gotten in these arguments. I was trying to YouTube
21:36
Speaker 1: the full segment and I found another one and them
21:39
Speaker 1: holing at each other about Kyrie Irving right, like it's
21:43
Speaker 1: that one is particular and in ways seems personal to
21:47
Speaker 1: both of them for different ways. Stephen Ay, he got
21:49
Speaker 1: contacts with those people over there and talking to them,
21:52
Speaker 1: and every now and then they'll be like, yo, I
21:53
Speaker 1: don't care about you or your daddy. So like it's
21:55
Speaker 1: clear they got their thing. Jay Williams went to do.
21:58
Speaker 1: Jay Williams is from their New Jersey school Basketball World,
22:01
Speaker 1: so they both bringing whatever their things are into this.
22:05
Speaker 1: But they got shows where people just like arguing each other.
22:07
Speaker 1: None of the shows I've been on dan ain't Bill
22:09
Speaker 1: for that. Me and him couldn't hoilight each other like that.
22:11
Speaker 1: Oh God, if I hollow that poplo like that on television,
22:13
Speaker 1: they send me to jail. Like it's just it's not
22:17
Speaker 1: or at least I get to tension. It's not. The
22:20
Speaker 1: dynamic did not allow they stop Asian hate all kind of.
22:26
Speaker 1: But our dynamic and our interaction didn't work that way.
22:29
Speaker 1: Skipp and Shannon, when they're on good terms, they can
22:31
Speaker 1: do it. But now that's the thing, when you got
22:33
Speaker 1: that we highlight each other television show at sometimes it
22:35
Speaker 1: ain't gonna it ain't gonna be games, right, So how
22:38
Speaker 1: do you navigate that hosting your own you know we're
22:41
Speaker 1: gonna be good with some roll. How do you navigate
22:43
Speaker 1: that hosting your own show? Oh, I ain't gotta argue
22:45
Speaker 1: with nobody no more. Yeah, but I'm talking about you know,
22:47
Speaker 1: we know people like to see some type of conflict. Yeah,
22:50
Speaker 1: do you feel the need to like stir something? No,
22:53
Speaker 1: because I can't the kind of conflict that we're talking
22:55
Speaker 1: about here, Like I feel honest saying this, and I
22:59
Speaker 1: don't think aybody's gonna look at me for being a
23:01
Speaker 1: jerk for it, right, would you want to argue with
23:04
Speaker 1: me on television, No would you? No, Like I wouldn't
23:08
Speaker 1: want to argue withoud be. I can have a conversation, conversation,
23:11
Speaker 1: but like y'all bring it to you right now, most
23:13
Speaker 1: people aren't. Like, that's not a winning proposition for most people.
23:16
Speaker 1: So you can't approach somebody like BUMI emotionally, I'm gonna
23:19
Speaker 1: lose everything. But then I can't approach them emotionally because
23:23
Speaker 1: then I just look like a bullet, right, I don't
23:25
Speaker 1: look like like I like it works better, Like if
23:27
Speaker 1: you saw the thing I had with Jake Paul the
23:28
Speaker 1: other that back and forth I knew going in if
23:31
Speaker 1: Jake Paul tried me, I'm gonna just let them do it.
23:33
Speaker 1: Let's keep going, okay, okay, Like I'm a video game
23:36
Speaker 1: boss when it comes to arguing stuff like, I don't
23:38
Speaker 1: have to prove anything to those people, so I can
23:39
Speaker 1: just lay back and go with it what I find
23:41
Speaker 1: works better for me. Like when my podcast, people like
23:44
Speaker 1: to hear me talk to my friends, Like they don't
23:46
Speaker 1: want to hear me in conflict. They want to hear
23:48
Speaker 1: me chilling because that to them is like the refreshing
23:51
Speaker 1: part of it. It's like, yo, right, Baumney's actually just
23:53
Speaker 1: like one of our friends. We can just hang out
23:55
Speaker 1: and talk about this stuff. But other people, I get
23:58
Speaker 1: why they feel like they gotta And I'm not saying
24:00
Speaker 1: that the people we talked about a manufacturing conflict, but
24:02
Speaker 1: I know why a lot of people feel like they
24:04
Speaker 1: have to manufacture conflict. But I can just make people
24:06
Speaker 1: man getting out of bed, like I ain't really got
24:07
Speaker 1: to try hard to get them to that place. Well,
24:11
Speaker 1: we appreciate you for stopping through broo game theory. What's
24:15
Speaker 1: what's the days again? Is it still Sunday? Oh no,
24:17
Speaker 1: We're on Friday. Now. Friday's eleven eastern on HBO on
24:20
Speaker 1: HBO Max BEI all right, after Real Time with Bill
24:22
Speaker 1: Maher And this week, I believe our in studio guest
24:25
Speaker 1: is Gilbert Arenas. Okay, yes, this should uh, this should
24:29
Speaker 1: be interesting. This is the rare time where I'm like,
24:32
Speaker 1: what in the world am I gonna do with this interview?
24:33
Speaker 1: I have this go any direction? So we got that
24:37
Speaker 1: getting ready for the super Bowl. You've a good, good,
24:39
Speaker 1: good conversation. Though you know one thing other thing's gonna
24:42
Speaker 1: ask you. People will look at you and they see
24:43
Speaker 1: you on HBO and they think, man who some people
24:46
Speaker 1: might think, but money came out of nowhere, but they
24:48
Speaker 1: don't realize you've had a long broad got created at
24:51
Speaker 1: the debate, I was just having in here earlier because
24:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, there's no point of entry to
24:55
Speaker 1: to podcast or I have no idea how you do
24:58
Speaker 1: it anymore, Like I was. I was talking to Jamal
25:01
Speaker 1: about this yesterday when she was like, if somebody young
25:03
Speaker 1: came ask you how you get in the game, what
25:05
Speaker 1: would you tell them? And I would tell them I
25:07
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, turn your compute on because because I
25:10
Speaker 1: feel like you haven't skipped any steps. Being that you
25:12
Speaker 1: haven't skipped any steps, you have the skill set to
25:14
Speaker 1: sustain where you are. I feel like with these new people,
25:17
Speaker 1: they just turn on the microphones start their podcasts and
25:20
Speaker 1: they haven't acquired any skills from the skifferent steps. And
25:23
Speaker 1: I don't know where you get them, right, Like I
25:24
Speaker 1: don't know if this podcast school right, Like I don't
25:26
Speaker 1: know if you know, like if the colleges or whatever
25:29
Speaker 1: or like teaching people how to get in and do this.
25:32
Speaker 1: But like I remember when I first got in the game,
25:35
Speaker 1: I got in writing and I did skip steps, but
25:38
Speaker 1: I was working with editors and people who were making
25:40
Speaker 1: me better and then gradually, like there were things that
25:42
Speaker 1: we figured out and we got to the place where
25:44
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, cool, this is where I am. But
25:46
Speaker 1: now with the podcast game, when I talk to people
25:49
Speaker 1: and they asked me like what can they do to
25:51
Speaker 1: get on? They never asking me how to make they
25:54
Speaker 1: work better. They're like, hey, so what can I do
25:56
Speaker 1: with my Twitter or my TikTok, you know, to get
25:59
Speaker 1: people to see it? And I'm like, look, network can
26:01
Speaker 1: sign yeah, and I'm like exposed to get you exposed,
26:04
Speaker 1: Like if your work is not ready to be seen,
26:07
Speaker 1: you don't want This is where people talking about coming
26:08
Speaker 1: in here just a little bit earlier, like hey man,
26:10
Speaker 1: people are gonna give you one shot. Like if what
26:12
Speaker 1: you got ain't there, you don't want to put that
26:15
Speaker 1: before the world. So you need to do whatever it
26:17
Speaker 1: takes to make your work better and then hope that
26:19
Speaker 1: the people who listen to you will share. Like Chuck
26:22
Speaker 1: d says something it's like ten years ago online, I'll
26:24
Speaker 1: never forget, And his point was if you have a
26:28
Speaker 1: band or a rap group, whatever it is, and you
26:30
Speaker 1: got a Facebook fan page, and that Facebook fan page
26:33
Speaker 1: has ten fans. Your fan page needs to serve those
26:37
Speaker 1: ten fans. They're all like corporate thinking is I'm gonna
26:41
Speaker 1: serve all these people who ain't there, serve those ten people,
26:44
Speaker 1: and then those ten people will tell somebody else about it,
26:46
Speaker 1: and now your ten might turn to twelve, and then
26:48
Speaker 1: your twelve might turn to fourteen or whatever it is.
26:51
Speaker 1: But what they could do is get you your own
26:54
Speaker 1: little audience and serve it and get better and get better,
26:58
Speaker 1: and then from there somebody might notice you. But even
27:01
Speaker 1: like it was ten twelve years ago, like I got
27:03
Speaker 1: on TV via Twitter, right, I got the attention to
27:05
Speaker 1: people who made decisions sending tweets. Twitter so overcrowded and
27:09
Speaker 1: nobody does anything productive there. I don't even know if
27:11
Speaker 1: you can impress anybody on Twitter to get off. So like,
27:15
Speaker 1: if you want to do this, you better love it,
27:16
Speaker 1: because since everybody else is doing it, it ain't gonna
27:18
Speaker 1: be no money out there for you very long either. Exactly,
27:22
Speaker 1: this is a tough game right now, that's right, as
27:25
Speaker 1: you get you exposed Jones, that's right, watch either to
27:28
Speaker 1: a game theory man just Friday, right after Bill Mah
27:31
Speaker 1: Bill it's the Breakfast Club, Go Morning, oh Man. The
27:33
Speaker 1: throne got a wire.