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The Kenny Report | 17 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Federal Labor Party caught in a bind as the
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  Speaker 2: CFMEU corruption scandal deepens and the union's tentacles reach into
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  Speaker 2: the ALP. I'll get the views of a labor insider.
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  Speaker 2: He might have been blackballed by Donald Trump, but our
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  Speaker 2: man in the United States, Kevin Rudd, dares to offer
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  Speaker 2: advice to other ambassadors. The ABC is again using your
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  Speaker 2: tax dollars to pump out misleading anti Trump bile I
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  Speaker 2: took to Annalise Nielsen at the Republican Convention in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen joins me too. We'll look at more idiocy
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  Speaker 2: from Chris Bowen. And of course we've got the Wednesday rangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start tonight on home soil and this omni shambles
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  Speaker 2: involving the nation's most militant union, the thugish CFMEU.
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  Speaker 1: This union is known for its Bobby Boyd tactics.
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  Speaker 2: It took over representation of construction workers where the infamous
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  Speaker 2: Builders Laborer's Federation left off after it was deregistered in
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  Speaker 2: the wake of corruption scandals. Royal commissions and other investigations
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  Speaker 2: have led to a series of criminal prosecutions and millions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars of fines against the CFMEU. No one should
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  Speaker 2: be surprised about its antics. The CFMEU is affiliated with
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  Speaker 2: the ALP.
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  Speaker 1: This is what the ALP is.
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  Speaker 2: It's the political arm of the union movement and the
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  Speaker 2: CFMEU is one of the largest financial donors and through
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  Speaker 2: its factional power structure, this union wields enormous political power
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  Speaker 2: inside labor, especially through the Socialist Left faction. The Socialist
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  Speaker 2: Left faction, by the way, includes among its senior members,
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  Speaker 2: the Foreign Minister Penny Wong, the Queensland Premier Stephen Miles,
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  Speaker 2: former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and his successor Jacenta Allen,
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  Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister Anthony Albanisi. So the political gravitas
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  Speaker 2: of the CFMEU scandal cannot be overestimated. As nine media
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  Speaker 2: newspapers and television reports over the past week have detailed
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  Speaker 2: more shocking allegations of thuggery, bribery and alleged corruption.
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  Speaker 3: The ladies stamming development is this vision captured inside the
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  Speaker 3: cfmeu's Sydney office, appearing to show the new South Wales
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  Speaker 3: branch boss Darren Greenfield being passed five thousand dollars in cash. Now,
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  Speaker 3: these pictures are from a hidden police camera, evidence that
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  Speaker 3: was instrumental in him being charged with corruption in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty one. He denies those charges and is still at
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  Speaker 3: the head of the brand.
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  Speaker 2: This is terrible stuff and it impacts on all of
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  Speaker 2: us because this activity, these alleged illegal practices, dramatically increased
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  Speaker 2: the costs of all construction, especially major government projects, so
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  Speaker 2: we all end up paying the bill through higher property
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  Speaker 2: prices and higher tax But the same labor politicians who
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  Speaker 2: know this union is a major donor and holds factional
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  Speaker 2: power within their party, well they're surprised.
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  Speaker 4: I know there has been some commentary of oh, but
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  Speaker 4: everybody must have known. Can I just say and ask
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  Speaker 4: journalists to take journalists.
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  Speaker 5: At their word.
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  Speaker 4: This has been published as news, a lot of it
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  Speaker 4: has been published as exclusive. There is no doubt that
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  Speaker 4: new information has emerged in recent days and over the
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  Speaker 4: last week.
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  Speaker 1: Labor is now being pushed into action.
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  Speaker 2: The cfmemeu's notorious Victorian boss John Secker, resigned last week
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the revelations.
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  Speaker 1: The union says it's.
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  Speaker 2: Going to investigate the allegations itself, which is pretty laughable.
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  Speaker 2: The alban Easy labor government now says it will force
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  Speaker 2: independent administrators to run the union branches, but have a
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  Speaker 2: listened to the Industrial Relations minister when asked about whether
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  Speaker 2: labor should should stop taking money from the CFMEMEU.
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  Speaker 4: I've referred to the decisions they made quite properly. They're
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  Speaker 4: not made by ministers. These decisions. I usually only find
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  Speaker 4: out about amounts when journalists know the numbers. It's not
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  Speaker 4: something that interests me.
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  Speaker 2: Really, a labor cabinet minister can't offer a view on
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  Speaker 2: taking money from this outfit.
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  Speaker 1: That's a classic. It's a classic case of you know
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  Speaker 1: the story.
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  Speaker 6: Awboll sayss nuts not fensible, shore nuts not.
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  Speaker 1: She can answer for he gets you.
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  Speaker 6: He thinks is not not not fensible. Shut us.
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  Speaker 1: Look, this is a serious problem for labor.
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  Speaker 2: Remember one of the first things that Albanize did on
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  Speaker 2: coming to Offers was to get rid of the tough
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  Speaker 2: industrial relations cop on this beat, the Building and Construction Commission.
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  Speaker 1: The Albanesi government.
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  Speaker 2: Did the union movements bidding and got rid of this
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  Speaker 2: body for the second time. So a large part of
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  Speaker 2: any blame over the re emergence of boy or criminal
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  Speaker 2: behavior surely must lie at the feet of the alban
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  Speaker 2: Easy labor government. But in the United States, where incredibly
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  Speaker 2: the Teamsters union boss endorsed Donald Trump at the Republican Convention,
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  Speaker 2: the former labor Prime Minister now Ambassador to the US,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd, well, he thought the allegations of union criminality
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  Speaker 2: were good for a laugh, referencing the infamous US teamster
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  Speaker 2: boss and convicted criminal Jimmy Hoffer, who disappeared in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, thought to have been murdered by organized crime figures.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm waiting for SECA to set himself up in
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  Speaker 7: Australia to address the next Federal Council of the Liberal Party, and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure he'll be invited.
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  Speaker 7: Well, fu Teamsters, Jimmy Hoffer.
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  Speaker 2: Not funny, Ambassador, at least not back in Australia where
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  Speaker 2: your boss, the current Prime Minister, is in all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of strife on this issue.
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  Speaker 8: This possible response from Anthony Albanezi would be to a
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  Speaker 8: point an administrator to the CFMU. That's like going into
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  Speaker 8: one of the bikey organizations and the police saying, well,
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  Speaker 8: let's just change out the leadership here and put in
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  Speaker 8: an administrator and somehow the activities of the bikes will
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  Speaker 8: correct itself. It's a complete nonsense. It's an abrogation of
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  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister's responsibility. The only thing that's changed here
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  Speaker 8: is that the Prime Minister's mates have been caught on tape,
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  Speaker 8: and that's what's happened here. The Prime Minister has known
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  Speaker 8: of the activities of the CFMU for years and years.
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  Speaker 2: The ACTU has now suspended the union. No doubt Labour's
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  Speaker 2: National executive will soon take action and probably stop taking
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  Speaker 2: donations from the CFMEU for a while. At least, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they should donate the millions they've already received to charity.
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  Speaker 2: What Labor should do is dump the union from its
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  Speaker 2: organizational structure and reinstate the ABCC.
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  Speaker 1: The tough cop on the beat.
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  Speaker 2: Just on Kevin Rudd and that Republican convention in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 2: It was a pretty revealing interview he gave to former treasurer,
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  Speaker 2: former US ambassador and now Sky News roving reporter Joe Hockey.
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  Speaker 2: We all know Rudd has never been light on for
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  Speaker 2: self belief. If self belief equated to political awareness, he'd
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  Speaker 2: still be Prime Minister. But nothing we've seen from Rudd
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  Speaker 2: tops this. This ambassador who tells us he's developing relationships
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  Speaker 2: with the Republicans by texting them with no word on
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  Speaker 2: whether they're even returning his text. Well, he's now deigning
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  Speaker 2: to offer advice to other Washington ambassadors.
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  Speaker 7: What I say too many ambassadors in Washington is it's
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  Speaker 7: really important to chill.
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  Speaker 1: Just chill.
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  Speaker 7: A simple reason is, if President Trump's elected on the
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  Speaker 7: fifth of November, We're not going over some chasms for
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  Speaker 7: US in Australia and for allies United States. This is
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  Speaker 7: a perfectly navigable and manageable set of relationships for the
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  Speaker 7: next four years.
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  Speaker 1: This is too much, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: We've had tantrums about Chinese scripts, We've had tantrums about
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  Speaker 2: meals on planes, We've had silly claims to be an
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  Speaker 2: economic conservative, but this trumps them all.
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  Speaker 1: Pardon the pun.
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  Speaker 2: This bloke is telling other ambassadors not to be too
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  Speaker 2: worried about a Trump presidency when we all know his
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  Speaker 2: social media posts have said Donald Trump is a traitor
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  Speaker 2: to the West and that with News Corp is involved
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  Speaker 2: in rancid treachery, but also called Trump the most destructive
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  Speaker 2: president in history and said he was dragging America and
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  Speaker 2: democracy through the mud. And this bloke now tells his
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic mates on the cocktail circuit to chill. Maybe his
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  Speaker 2: ambassadorial will be more likely to listen to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And he's now Australia's ambassador in Washington.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I don't know. He won't be there long
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  Speaker 9: if that's the case. I don't know much about him.
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  Speaker 9: I heard he was a little bit nasty here. He's
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  Speaker 9: not the brightest bulb, but I don't know much about him.
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  Speaker 9: But if he's at all hostile, he will not be
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  Speaker 9: there long.
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  Speaker 1: Aha.
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  Speaker 2: This must mean that both Rudd and his mate Anthony Alberizi,
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  Speaker 2: who appointed him, are hoping that Trump has become as
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  Speaker 2: forgetful as Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise, if Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Returns to the White House, why would they expect the
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  Speaker 2: president to even deal with Rudd, Which leads me to
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  Speaker 2: one thing that Rudd did get right.
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  Speaker 7: The challenge will be first encounters and how we manage
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  Speaker 7: that in a positive way. If President Trump is elected.
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  Speaker 2: You can say that again, good luck establishing your text
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  Speaker 2: based relationship with Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Mark to White House.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe if Trump wins Elbow should call rud home and
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  Speaker 2: reinstate Joe Hockey. I'll have plenty more on the Republican
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  Speaker 2: Convention and the way Donald Trump's old opponents are now
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  Speaker 2: endorsing him in just a few minutes with Annalise Nilsen.
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  Speaker 1: But let me just update you on a couple of things.
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  Speaker 2: I showed you this appalling display first last night, the
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  Speaker 2: show in Sydney on Sunday by comedy rock band Tenacious D,
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  Speaker 2: starring the comedian Jack Black and he sidekick Kyle Gass.
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  Speaker 5: Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Next time, just appalling.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, one innocent man is dead, two people are
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  Speaker 2: seriously wounded, and this clown is barracking for a successful
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: assassination attempt. Next time, I told you last night that
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  Speaker 2: canceled a concert in Newcastle. Will Now Black has distanced
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  Speaker 2: himself from the attempted joke, the rest of the Australian
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  Speaker 2: tour has been canceled. Gas's agent has dropped him, and
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  Speaker 2: we might not hear from Tenacious D ever again. This
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  Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome has been so strong for so long.
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  Speaker 1: It's been fueled.
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  Speaker 2: By biased and deceptive media and self evidently it leads
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  Speaker 2: to appalling behavior, So it pains me to say that
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  Speaker 2: the ABC in this country is still wasting your money
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  Speaker 2: producing more fuel for the Trump hatred fire. I missed
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  Speaker 2: this on Monday night. I was too busy with my
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  Speaker 2: docco but I want to make sure that you haven't
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  Speaker 2: missed it. It's very disturbing and a terrible misuse of
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  Speaker 2: tax dollars. The ABC has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt of your money and months of their time
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  Speaker 2: on another four corners hit job on Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 9: Now they don't get elected, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 9: bloodbath for the country.
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  Speaker 10: Real estate shark, reality TV stars for the United States president.
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  Speaker 1: They're now convicted criminal, is an idiot, He's just an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there they go again, the scary music, misleading people
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  Speaker 2: with that blood bath line again that I've showed you
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  Speaker 2: time and again is deliberately taken out of context and misrepresented.
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  Speaker 2: Are they trying to suggest that electing Trump, who was
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  Speaker 2: elected before and then defeated, don't forget they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: suggest electing him will lead to chaos and the end
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  Speaker 2: of democracy. But get this, after compiling this taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 2: hit job and having it ready to go, when there
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  Speaker 2: was that shocking assassination attempt on the weekend that wounded
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  Speaker 2: Trump and killed a supporter. The ABC didn't have the
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  Speaker 2: decency to delay their peace. In fact, they just dropped
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  Speaker 2: in some vision of the crime, and they seem to
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  Speaker 2: pinnot on the Trump factor, a classic case of victim blaming.
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  Speaker 8: They do worry there's a real group of American citizens
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  Speaker 8: who are willing to engage in violence for Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look at what happened already.
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  Speaker 10: There's being violence, but it's being aimed at Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Just extraordinary, isn't it your taxes at work? The ABC
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  Speaker 2: frames this contest just the way the hateful left in
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  Speaker 2: the US, just the way Joe Biden does, not as
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  Speaker 2: a normal election, but as a battle for the very
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  Speaker 2: future of democracy in the United States.
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  Speaker 10: Almost four years after being cast out by voters, Donald
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  Speaker 10: Trump is back and he has a plan to rebuild
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  Speaker 10: America in his own image. To some he's a savior
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  Speaker 10: and to others an autocratic Over the next two weeks,
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  Speaker 10: Four Corners brings you a special series on the battle
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  Speaker 10: for American Democracy.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't be the same without all that scary music, would it.
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  Speaker 1: This is just scandalous stuff.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC can't influence US politics with this so called journalism,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not informing Australians with it. In fact, they're
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  Speaker 2: misinforming us. So what's the justification. They're just using your
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  Speaker 2: money to indulge their own ideological grievances. It's biased and
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  Speaker 2: it's reckless. Remember they did this before with a three
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  Speaker 2: part series.
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  Speaker 11: Tonight, we begin our special three part investigation into the
• 14:45
  Speaker 11: story of the century, the election of US President Donald
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  Speaker 11: Trump and his ties to Russia. Tonight, Secrets, Spies and
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  Speaker 11: Useful Idiots. In the second part of our special series
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  Speaker 11: on Donald Trump and his Russia connections, we bring the
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  Speaker 11: story of two key players central to the allegations of
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  Speaker 11: collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
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  Speaker 1: The Kremlin's puppet.
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  Speaker 11: Master now has America dancing to his discordant tune. He
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  Speaker 11: couldn't have planned it better.
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  Speaker 1: Just laughable, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: That million dollar exercise is still up on their website,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's entirely wrong. They just trotted out the
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  Speaker 2: same discredited, now disproven, wild leftist fantasy about Trump being
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  Speaker 2: elected because he was a puppet of putin. No correction,
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  Speaker 2: no apology, And now they're added again on our tax dollars.
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  Speaker 2: As I keep saying, there is no one in charge
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  Speaker 2: at the ABC because they know it's not your ABC.
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  Speaker 1: They reckon it's their ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Queensland and the town of Stanthorpe now
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  Speaker 2: and catch up with One Nation leader.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson. Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: There's something that's been occurring to me over the past
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  Speaker 2: few days when I've looked at this hatred and bile
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  Speaker 2: and demonization that's been directed at Trump, and I just
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  Speaker 2: see so many parallels to what you've experienced in politics.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with a lot of what Trump has said
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  Speaker 2: and done, and you know, back in the day, I
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  Speaker 2: used to disagree a lot with you and have done continuously.
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  Speaker 2: But I just think that the exaggerated demonization that is
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  Speaker 2: now becoming the wind underneath Donald Trump's wings is exactly
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  Speaker 2: what you've experienced. Hasn't all that hatred actually put steel
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  Speaker 2: in the spine of your supporters and won you votes
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  Speaker 2: over the years?
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  Speaker 12: Well, lot has Chris. I was demonized a lot by
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  Speaker 12: the media. They took parts of what I said and
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  Speaker 12: they made a clickbait and they actually put out their
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  Speaker 12: own perception of what they want to tell the public,
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  Speaker 12: which was not my whole story. So anyway I've people
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  Speaker 12: may not know this. I had actually a death threats
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  Speaker 12: against me, and I had Federal police protection for twenty
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  Speaker 12: four to seven for eighteen months. And my daughter they
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  Speaker 12: had to get her out of school, get her out
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  Speaker 12: of ipswitch because there was a threat against her as
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  Speaker 12: well at one stage when she was only what fifteen
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  Speaker 12: years of age. Even my court trial, that was all political.
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  Speaker 12: Peter Beatty changed the legislation prior to my court case,
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  Speaker 12: which was a fine or a six month jail term.
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  Speaker 12: He made the sentence seven years retrospective. That's what Labour did.
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  Speaker 12: So it was I've copped so much thrown at me
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  Speaker 12: and the perception that people have, you know. And it
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  Speaker 12: started when they said that I wouldn't represent the Aboriginal
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  Speaker 12: people and I never said it at all. It was
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  Speaker 12: never the case. Yet the Australian printed it, it went
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  Speaker 12: through the court system, was found that's not to be
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  Speaker 12: the case when they listened to the full context of
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  Speaker 12: the tape recording. And yet it's never been retracted enough,
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  Speaker 12: you know, a little piece in the back of the newspaper.
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  Speaker 12: But still that what you did with the Australian Right.
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  Speaker 12: They still put out an editor stood out that I
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  Speaker 12: said I wouldn't represent the Abiginal people. So I have
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  Speaker 12: to wear this all the time. The perception that people
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  Speaker 12: have about me and my policies is not the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, those out examples and reminders you've given us.
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  Speaker 2: It just confirms to me that you must see the
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  Speaker 2: political and personal experience of Donald Trump, and you must
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  Speaker 2: empathize with that very personally, but also politically. You must
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: see that his opponents are making some obvious mistakes.
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  Speaker 12: What happened was that at my period of time, the
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  Speaker 12: first couple of years I was in Parliament, and I
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  Speaker 12: actually traveled the country for nine months of the year.
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  Speaker 12: I traveled length and breadth of this nation. I spoke
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  Speaker 12: to the people. They knew what came from my lips.
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  Speaker 12: I didn't rely on the media. That's why to this
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  Speaker 12: day people still are there supporting me. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 12: what Trump's doing. He's getting out connecting with the people.
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  Speaker 12: They're hearing from him because people don't trust the media anymore.
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  Speaker 12: I'm sick of the biased media. I'm sick and tired
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  Speaker 12: of these ones with their own agenda, the media that
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  Speaker 12: are lazy these days, terribly lazy. They just report something
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  Speaker 12: else that someone else has put out, don't do their research,
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  Speaker 12: don't put the work and effort into it.
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  Speaker 1: Well. To a large degree, I agree with you. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I love this show.
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  Speaker 2: I love just talking to people and hearing directly what
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  Speaker 2: they've got to say. And I love hearing from people
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with. I wish more people from the left
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  Speaker 2: would come on and share their views, but they don't
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  Speaker 2: like the debate. Just before I move on though. The
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  Speaker 2: other similarity with Trump, when you look at the policy
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  Speaker 2: focus at this Republican convention, it is on immigration. Immigration
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  Speaker 2: is such a palpable issue in the US that would
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  Speaker 2: not surprise you one bit, given, of course, how important
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  Speaker 2: it is in this country too.
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  Speaker 12: Most definitely, and immigration is the whole thing affects people
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  Speaker 12: stand a living way of life. I've just been through
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  Speaker 12: stand for Thorpe and spoke to some of the business
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  Speaker 12: people there. General, the homeless here is horrendous to a
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  Speaker 12: lot of people there. A house is three hundred and
• 20:05
  Speaker 12: fifty to four hundred dollars a week for rental accommodation.
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: They can't build any new houses here because guess what,
• 20:11
  Speaker 12: the council hasn't got isn't releasing land because they can't
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: pump the water, so the pumping facilities here are actually
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: beyond use. So they can't increase the housing here. Yet
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: they keep bringing more and more migrants into the country.
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: They can't move to country towns because they don't have
• 20:28
  Speaker 12: the infrastructure. Stanthorpe was in drought there and I came
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: up here that time to help them cut water up
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: here to give them support. They've done nothing to look
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: out the infrastructure of putting in security and water security
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: for these country towns. Yet the immigration they're bringing in
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: is destroying it and we can't keep up with it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: Melbourne Easy said he'd pull back on immigration, which they
• 20:51
  Speaker 12: haven't done. That's the problem it is that needs to
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: be pulled right back until we actually put in the infrastructure.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: They recognize the problem, they promised to pull it back.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: They accuse anyone of talking about of being racist or xenophobic,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: yet they have not followed through. We'll keep on the case. Pauline,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Pauline Hanson there live from Queensland.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Bali now because that's where
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: we're going to find the former Labor Front bencher Michael
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Danby interrupting his holidays there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Michael, were good to speak to you.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm really keen to get your take on this CFMEMEU
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: controversy scandal. Now, of course, any individuals in that union
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: who are facing allegations, they're responsible for their own actions
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and we'll let the processes play out. But the financial
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: donations to the ALP and the factional power of the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: CFME you within the ALP, it's political power within the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Labor Party.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I mean that the federal government is in a bind here.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: They can't just say that they've got nothing to do
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: with this mob, can they well?
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Elbow got rid of them for different reasons in twenty nineteen.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: But before I do that, Chris, I want to commend
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: you on your folks us on the ABC's Mad program
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: on Trump. Look, Australians learn more about what's going on
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: with this potentially new administration from you, from Joe Hockey
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: who's over there covering the convention, and from Aaron Mullin,
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: who's been interviewing Trump's future national security advisors. Then the
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: infantile drivel being pumped out by four Corners.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: No, you're right, it's embarrassing and it's a ways of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: our good tax dollars.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But let's get back to one of the sessions.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: There's so much stuff of interest to Australians to learn
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: and where we're getting none of it. We're just getting
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: the usual hacknet.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Let's talk ABC another time. But the CFMU. How much
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of a problem is it for your own colleagues in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the federal labor government.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Well, just thinker Ellen. It's a very big problem for
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: her because she was Infrastructure Minister for all those years
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: under Dan Andrews. You can't claim that she didn't know
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: what the CFMU was about doing, given the fact that
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: they constituted the majority of the workforce for the projects
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: that she was pushing. It's a consistent pattern, isn't it, Chris.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: There's no proper royal commission federally or state into COVID.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: There's no judicial inquiry into anti Semitism on the Australian campuses,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: and now we're not going to have a royal commission
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: into the CFMU. It's not good enough for the CFM.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: You'd have an internal investigation. That's just them trying to
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: get ahead of the curve. It's not good enough to
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: just cause the money from this potentially crooked organization. They'll
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: never get the four million dollars that they've received donated
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: to charity, as you suggested. But it's you know, we're
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: going to have half measures. They'll try and get away
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: with it, the socialist left center Allen will try and
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: escape through. It seems to have been a terrible mistake
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: to have abolished those two oversight organizations into the building
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: construction area, which has always been a problem. It should
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: do what Bob Hawk did to the CFMU used predecessor,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: the blf D register.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Get rid of them all together exactly.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And what about their influence within the party now, especially
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: through the socialist left faction.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: How significant is that?
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Well, the Labor Party of Victoria is unrecognizable, almost doesn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: exist since the membership were virtually abolished. The left wing
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: unions are the absolutely dominant influence and all of the
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: leading Victorian ministers, the brilliant Andrew Giles in Canberra and co.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Are all the progeny of not just this union, but
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: this whole formation that's been set up that benefits this group.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: It's very far from the days of Kim Beasley, Bob Hawk,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: even Paul Keating, and you know, Shorten and Gillard were
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: a lot better than them. Julia was in the left,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: but she was a very sensible person and I don't
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: think she would have let allegedly crooked behavior take place
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: and the Labor Party to receive money from it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Hell of a worry, A lot more to unfold, as
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you say, our royal commissions would seem to be in order.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it. Michael Danby
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: there live from Balley. It's just so wonderful how we
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: can catch up with people anywhere anytime these days. It's
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: got to go to a break. On the other side
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of that, we're going to look at the day two of.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: That National Republican Convention. It's wrapped up.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I've got all the latest from Annalise Nilsen in Milwaukee.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It's been a big second day in Milwaukee at the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Republican National Convention.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Many of you would have been watching highlights during the day.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of heavyweights endorsed Donald Trump, who again made
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a grand entrance but didn't speak.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: One man who did speak is the.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Majority House leader Steve Scalici, who was nearly killed by
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a left wing extremist at a charity baseball game in
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: Many of you know I was the survivor of a
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: politically motivated shooting in twenty seventeen. Not many know that
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: while I was fighting for my life, Donald Trump was
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: one of the first to come console my family at
• 26:27
  Speaker 13: the hospital.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: As you now, as you know, our own analyse Nilsen
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: is in Milwaukee, and I asked you to give us
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: a sense of day two.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Look, it was an absolute rapturous applause when he came
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: in again, But it was slightly different vibe in the
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: room from when he was first seen after that assassination
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: at Tamps, Pennsylvania, because people were quite emotional, and I
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: didn't even realize just how emotional Donald Trump was until
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: I watched it back and saw that he was tearing
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: up in that vision. And so today had more of
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: a celebratory atmosphere. And for all our coverage, for all
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: us saying this, it's not that we're fan going or
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: we're part of the rah ra of the event. It's
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: the fact that there was any chance this wouldn't be
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: like that, and there's any chance that the Democrat convection
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: is going to be bitterly divided that people are going
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: to be depressed in the room. So that is the
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: genuine sense we're getting here, is that people feel like
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: they're excited. Everything's come together after years of turmoil, most
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: of the legal cases against Donald Trump have fallen by
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: the wayside, that they now are looking at potentially winning,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: and everyone likes a winner, especially in America. So the
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: idea here that everyone feels like that they're close to
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: getting the White House back. There is a real mood
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: of celebration.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's great an analysis. I saw your analysis
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: yesterday too, and a lease about the way that the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: assassination of Temper has helped to unify the Republican Party.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt there are a lot of Trump skeptics.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: In the Republican Party.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of them have fallen by the wayside or
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: been converted. And that's really been a central theme of
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: what we've seen at the.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Convention today, hasn't it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: The former primary Republican primary opponents of Donald Trump lining
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: up to endorse him, and none more important, of course
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: than Nicky Haley.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 28:16
  Speaker 14: Donald Trump has my strong endorsement period. I'm here tonight
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: because we have a country to save, and a unified
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: Republican Party is essential for saving her.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Alas, Nicky Haley might not have been the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: most popular speaker at the convention, but I thought her
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: message was probably very important for people watching at home,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: for swinging voters, if you like, because she said, you
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: don't have to agree with Donald Trump on everything to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: support him in this race.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Look, that's exactly right. And the thing is that that
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: she spent her campaign saying it's time for change, that
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: chaos follows Trump wherever he goes, and we need something fresh.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: But now we have the hardcore political calculation of you
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: have two choices or three if you want to vote
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: for RFK Junior, which both sides are trying to talk
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: down as an option. So when she was making this speech,
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: it was very much the idea that you can have
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: criticized Donald Trump, you don't have to like the guy,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: you don't have to feel guilty for voting for him.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: And when she's talking to those voters that Donald Trump
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: might have alienated in the past, especially some of the
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: criticism I hear from people who like Donald Trump and
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: vote for him, as they say, I hate the way
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: he talks on Twitter, I where she would just shut
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: his mouth a bit more and get on with the job,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: because they like his policies and they like what he
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: actually did. So she's talking to all of those voters.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: And obviously Donald Trump realizes there's a value in that too,
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: because he welcomed her on the stage. She just easily
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: could have never extended that invitation. And I think this
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: again shows that we're dealing with a different Donald Trump
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: than we had the first time around. This is politician Trump.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: This is the Trump who knew that he was better
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: off not saying anything in the debate with Joe Biden
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: and letting that play out rather than jumping in and
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: steamrolling him and making it all about Donald That's a
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: very different guy than we saw go down the Golden
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: escalator before the twenty sixteen election.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a sense that he senses the electorate is
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: coming to him and he needs to welcome voters rather
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: than to agitate and polarize to drive people to him.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating to watch.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Another important speaker today was another former Republican primary candidate,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: as Is vivek Ramaswami.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: His speech really.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Focused on some of those focus on some of those
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: key policy areas the Republicans are really driving home, like
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the war on identity politics, and also the wrong stand
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: on immigration.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Here's a bit of Ramaswami.
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: We believe in merit that you get ahead in this
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: country not on the color of your skin, but on
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: the content of your character and your contributions. It means
• 31:15
  Speaker 15: we believe in the rule of law. And I say
• 31:18
  Speaker 15: this as the kid of legal immigrants to this country.
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: That means your first act of entering this country cannot
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: break the law.
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: That is why we.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Will seal the southern border on day one.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Vic Ramaswami there and Elise give us your sins and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Elise of the way this convention is trying to define
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: these major policy battles in the election campaign.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Well, they're focusing on the things that voters are concerned about.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: But the reality is Donald Trump will do what Donald
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Trump wants to do. There's been a lot of people
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: trying to influence the policy of the potential Trump administration
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: to take credit. I mean, if you look at this
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: Project twenty twenty five, which was put together by the
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Heritage Foundation, a very influential right wing think tank in Washington, DC,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: it's just a bit ambitious to say I'm going to
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: do the blueprint and show you what I'm going to
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: do in a Trump administration. When it's up to Trump,
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: it's a bit like me redoing our TV lineup and
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: telling the CEO I'm the star now and we're going
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: to do it this way, like that's nice that the
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: MUSC will make me call. So it's become a real
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: focal point for people criticizing the potential Trump administration or
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: voting for Trump again. They're saying that this Project twenty
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: twenty five is going to be a disaster and something
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: to be terrified of. But Trump's already dropped it, saying
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: I have nothing to do with it in a truth
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: social post, and I do think that's true. I think
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: he'll do whatever he likes. So yeah, a lot of
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: what is being put together in this convention.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this Project twenty twenty five is essentially like think
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: tanks putting up a wish list. It's like saying in
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Australia that the Labor Party is going to do everything.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: The Australia Institute says it is a bit.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Of a furfee.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Although those policies I've got to be looked at just
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: let's go to the incumbent president. Joe Biden has been
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: trying to do some media, trying to do some rallies,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: trying to recover to some degree. But if people are
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: expecting the Democrats to pull back, to realize that they're
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the toxicity of their attacks on Donald Trump, they're demonizing
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump isn't working.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't seem that he's in any mood to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pull back.
• 33:23
  Speaker 16: Is Joe Biden just because you must lower the temperature
• 33:28
  Speaker 16: our politics is really to violence. It doesn't mean we
• 33:30
  Speaker 16: should stop telling the truth.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Who you are, what you've done, what you'll do, that's
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: fair game. Yeah, well, decoding that analysis.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: He says they're going to keep demonizing, attacking Donald Trump.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But they've done it for four years, eight years. Really,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I suppose it's too late for them to change tack.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it worked, it worked in twenty twenty.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: But the problem is the calculations just very different. And
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: when Joe Biden is stick digging his heels in, it's
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: just making it that much harder for everyone else around him,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: And the closer they get to the DNC, the Democrat
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: National Convention, just the less they can do. So this
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: is really coming down to the wire for any opportunity,
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: and they're obviously enjoying the fact that the media spotlight's
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: gone off them while there's been this complete shift of focus.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Of course, because the attempted assassination of Donald Trump and
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: then the RNC was always going to be a bit
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: of a breather for them, But the reality is it's
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: going to buy it eventually. US is a non compulsory
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: voting system, and people don't tend to get out to
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: vote if they're unenthusiastic. It's a killer. They tend to
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: get out if they're excited for a candidate, or they're
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: scared of something, or they're a very specific issue voter.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: But to have kind of an uninspiring candidate, and they're
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: just going to keep playing all of Joe Biden's gaffes
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: every time he goes out. Now it's all we do
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: is watch for what he's going to mess up next.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: And so that's I mean, don't forget there's another The
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: books too were coming on the debate between doctor Trump
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: and Joe Biden. It's going to be a nightmare for them.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not till September. There might be a new
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: candidate for the Democrats. By then we will see. Thanks
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us down at least really appreciated.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Lots more to come in the next couple of days.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: Thanks Chris.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: She is a star.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I'll back her in when she goes to the CEO
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: with that plan. Great stuff from Alalie Nilsen there in
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the US. Now after the breaking, on to catch up
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: with Zoey McKenzie, the Liberal MP from Victoria, We're going
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to talk about the Energy and Climate Minister Chris Bowen,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the known nukes guy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: He's been at it again. So the Climate and.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen spoke in Canberra today and as usual,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: he talked a lot of gibberish. Have a look at
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: him sharing these statistics.
• 35:51
  Speaker 17: The emission's reductions from closing an average cool fire power
• 35:53
  Speaker 17: plant in twenty twenty five rather than twenty forty nine
• 35:57
  Speaker 17: is the annual emissions of over fifty million cars.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: So what this is meaningless? Tosh?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Why doesn't he share some meaningful statistics, like how global
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: emissions are continuing to rise, like Australia's one percent share
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of those global emissions is already falling, like China has
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: increased its emissions in the past year by more than
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the total emissions from Australia. You know, numbers that show
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that what we do is inconsequential. Why does he refuse
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to admit that his haste is reckless and illogical given
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: what we're doing is having zero net zero impact on
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the climate. Instead we get this alarmist nonsense.
• 36:47
  Speaker 17: Every year, more of us are sweltering through increasingly deadly
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: heat waves, and some of us are too regularly watching
• 36:55
  Speaker 17: the floodwaters creep higher as others wait for the reins
• 37:00
  Speaker 17: more frequent, enduring droughts.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: This is just not true. We are not having more
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: droughts or worse drouts. The science and the record does
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: not support that we're not having worse floods either. He
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: shouldn't make this stuff up, and if he insists on
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: making it up and trying to scare everyone, perhaps he
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: needs to first work out whether we're getting wetter or
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: we're getting drier, because we can't be doing both. Mate,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in Victorian Liberal MP Zoey Mackenzie. Zoey,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. It just drives me to distraction
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: watching the nonsense from this bloke and to get to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the real policy issue here. Everybody wants reliable power without emissions,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So why won't Chris Bowen even consider the one known reliable,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: dispatchable base load power form power source that does not
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: have emissions in nuclear.
• 37:57
  Speaker 18: It's extraordinary, isn't it. Today he's spent too much an
• 38:00
  Speaker 18: hour again talking about the coalition's plan for cheap, consistent
• 38:05
  Speaker 18: and clean energy, attacking it, insisting that a premature retiring
• 38:10
  Speaker 18: of twenty seven baseload stations is absolutely compulsory in the
• 38:13
  Speaker 18: hope that the sun will keep shining and the wind
• 38:15
  Speaker 18: will keep on blowing. Will let me tell you, neither
• 38:17
  Speaker 18: is happening here in Victoria. For the last three weeks.
• 38:19
  Speaker 18: It is freezing. People are relying on their gas appliances
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: that they know the state government will try and take
• 38:24
  Speaker 18: out of their hands in years to come. So again,
• 38:27
  Speaker 18: it was just a bunch of bubble and squeak from
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  Speaker 18: Chris Bowen as we're.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So it's incredible. Now, yeah, that's no.
• 38:33
  Speaker 18: Real honesty about where we're going.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, as I pointed out, the claims he's making about
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: this climate emergency are just wrong. And I'd love him
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to come on any time and talk about it. But
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: let's have a look at what he had to say
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: about the coalition's.
• 38:46
  Speaker 17: Policy Tradings will have a choice between paying for Peter
• 38:51
  Speaker 17: Dutton's uncosted, unexplained and undeliverable nuclear actors, or continuing with
• 38:56
  Speaker 17: the Albanesi governments and the experts plan to get on
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: with the job of delivering more reliable, cheap renewables bringing
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: down emissions at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Zarah, he's got really two big problems with that argument.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: First is he has to convince us that what he's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: doing at the moment is working. We've got unreliable power
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and more expensive than it's ever been.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Where's the evidence that his plan can work?
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: So that's an excellent point.
• 39:25
  Speaker 18: And to give you two examples, just in my electorate alone, Chris,
• 39:28
  Speaker 18: we're meant to have the renewable energy terminal built by
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: the state government in the Port of Hastings.
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: It's where they're going to erect.
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: I think it's eighty story high wind turbines dominating the
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: western Port Bay and the Unesco biasphere, dredging up all
• 39:45
  Speaker 18: the kind of marshland around there to send these giant
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: things out to sea. Except that Tanya Plipasik has canceled it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: She canned the idea. So left hand isn't telling other
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: left hand what's happening. But as a result of which
• 39:58
  Speaker 18: that wind farm out from the seas from gibbs Land
• 40:01
  Speaker 18: isn't getting built any time soon.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: There's another example.
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: We have plans for solar farms on my electorate, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 18: we can't get permission from either the residents or the
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: energy companies to build it, so instead we rely on
• 40:13
  Speaker 18: eight diesel generators over summer.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: To power the potentula.
• 40:18
  Speaker 18: So what I'm trying to say is even at the
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: micro level, it's just fantasy.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I aren't coming to foinition.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: They will not get there.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Everyone around the country can see that, I think increasingly.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: The other problem with his argument, of course he's sort
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of demonizing nuclear energy. Well, he has to explain how
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: nuclear energy can't work in Australia, that it's affordable and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: reliable and being expanded threefold in twenty of the best
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: economies in the world.
• 40:43
  Speaker 18: Exactly right, thirty two countries have it, fifty are looking
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: at it. We can be the fifty first. Most of
• 40:48
  Speaker 18: Western Europe is now powered on nuclear energy. France keeps
• 40:52
  Speaker 18: itself in economic buoyancy because it is the nuclear power
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: base of.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Wes exactly looking after its mates, including German. Can you
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: believe how.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: The worm has turned the Germans relying on France for
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: some clean power.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Zoey, appreciate it, Zoey McKenzie there
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in Victoria. You got to move quickly to a break.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that Wednesday wrangle with Liz
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: and Justin, we'll talk about Kevin rud changing his tune
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: on Donald Trump, plus a surprising reason that more Australians
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: are choosing gas. Let's get into some wrangling with Late
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I call you the Late Show, Debate show, the Late Debate,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: but Tom old enough to have watched The Late Show
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: on the A b.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: C Book Place many years ago. This story joining.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Us and Justin Smith back from his stinters and ABC
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: leftist polymister, good.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: To good to join us, mate, good to have you,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Good to have you back. Let's start.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Let's start off with your time at the ABC. Was
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: it fun?
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: Oh yeah, it was fantastic talk radio nothing like it
• 42:02
  Speaker 19: loved it had a ball again, mate, I.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Do love talk radio, but the ABC has never asked
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: me to fill in the shift there, and it's at
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: least yours finished up justin a lot better than Antoinette latoofs.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But we'll see how that one plays out.
• 42:17
  Speaker 19: I don't mention the war, mate, don't mention.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: The war before we go to the US gas. We've
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: got local governments and state governments and even some federal
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: politicians want everybody to get off gas. But reports now
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: saying more and more homeowners want gas, obviously because it's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: great for heating your home, but also with power supply worries,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: electricity worries, people are thinking, well, if there's a blackout,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: at least I can still cook my dinner, justin.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Does it surprise you or not?
• 42:46
  Speaker 19: Now, it doesn't surprise me that they're talking about it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 19: But I've got to admit I'm with you a lot
• 42:50
  Speaker 19: about this. They'll be prying gas out of my cold
• 42:54
  Speaker 19: dead hand. I've got to say, I, buddy, love it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 19: I love gas in the kitchen, and the thought of
• 42:59
  Speaker 19: it being replaced with something else just sends shivers down
• 43:02
  Speaker 19: my spine. But I don't know what I'm going to do.
• 43:05
  Speaker 19: I'm going to have to give it up at some point.
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: I know, Yes, hold on, I'll hold on I'll hold on.
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: If you do it, I'll be right next to you
• 43:16
  Speaker 20: in the trenches. What this says, though the facts that
• 43:19
  Speaker 20: these gas companies are saying, we've gotten unprecedented amount of demand,
• 43:22
  Speaker 20: people saying we want gas in our homes. What this
• 43:25
  Speaker 20: says to us is, despite all the lobby groups, despite
• 43:29
  Speaker 20: all the fear mongering, despite government being like climate communism
• 43:34
  Speaker 20: or bust, that everyday person is like stuff, here is
• 43:38
  Speaker 20: I want gas in my home. And lastly, this also
• 43:41
  Speaker 20: goes to show why government has now resorted to just
• 43:46
  Speaker 20: mandating no gas, like we've seen in Victoria. If you're
• 43:49
  Speaker 20: building a new home, if you're building a new block
• 43:53
  Speaker 20: of apartments, no gas.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Terrible it is. This is why I came into this.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: What counsel is doing don't remind.
• 43:59
  Speaker 20: Me of government who can't bring the people with them.
• 44:02
  Speaker 20: Then they just go what we're forcing you.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Well, people know what works, and gas fires work. And
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: we spent untold money on big renovations at our place.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: The best thing was the gas fire.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I'll be there tomorrow night watching the footy glass of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: red gas fire. Wait and yeah, this is outrageous that
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: they try and legislate away from us.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Hey, just quickly. Another bit of madness in the Victoria
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: justin where the.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Cancer councils wanting to ban junk food ads on your
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: public transport. I mean, people can make up their own minds,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: can't they about what they're going to eat?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Oh made?
• 44:38
  Speaker 19: Look, I hate the idea of banning stuff too, but
• 44:41
  Speaker 19: I've got to say obesity and poor nutrition is at
• 44:45
  Speaker 19: the base of some really awful problems in Australia. Can
• 44:49
  Speaker 19: we not look to America and see where they've been
• 44:52
  Speaker 19: going wrong? And I'm not trying to swing off the
• 44:54
  Speaker 19: Americans here, but in the last few decades they have
• 44:56
  Speaker 19: really gotten down a bad track. Do we want to
• 44:59
  Speaker 19: go down and we heading down that direction? Do we
• 45:01
  Speaker 19: go about something? But I'd love to see your jung
• 45:04
  Speaker 19: food app. I would like to lose three kilograms. Do
• 45:07
  Speaker 19: you think the government can do that for me?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Or do you think at some stage we actually run
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: our own lives?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 45:13
  Speaker 19: Let me go quickly to the US. We're going to
• 45:14
  Speaker 19: talk about targeting kids. You're not a kid, Chris. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 19: had a kid, mate. We're talking about targeting I have kids, mate, And.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I know what you do when you raise kids.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: You raise them to make the right decisions at a
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: certain point of their life.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: They do make their own decision.
• 45:27
  Speaker 20: You're asking the government to be the parents.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Raise my kids. Cigarette adds. There, let's have cigarette adds,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: so we'll get the government tell what they should be.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly unbelievable. Let's go to the US, where things are
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a lot more sensible.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Despite all the demonization and hatred in US politics, Joe
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Biden doesn't sound like he's going to pull back on
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: his attacks against Donald Trump.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Have a listen, just.
• 45:52
  Speaker 16: Because you must lower the temperature, our politics is really
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: to violence. It doesn't mean we should stop telling the truth.
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: You are, what you've done, what you'll do. That's fair, Haim.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Look, I reckon.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: This is reckless list because what he's saying is really
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the victim of most of the hatred in Donald Trump
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: should be the one to lower his temperature.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: The rest of us will keep attacking him.
• 46:16
  Speaker 20: And what he's doing here is sticking with the DEM's
• 46:19
  Speaker 20: narrative of no, we have the upper.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Ground in the high moral ground.
• 46:23
  Speaker 20: The morality of this, yes, we're up on the high horse.
• 46:26
  Speaker 20: We have the high moral ground, and it feeds into
• 46:30
  Speaker 20: that very dangerous narrative of well whatever happens, is it
• 46:33
  Speaker 20: really undeserved, and that is something that simply cannot continue
• 46:39
  Speaker 20: along this trajectory. We've got months until the election. Heaven knows,
• 46:44
  Speaker 20: I doubt very much this is going to be the
• 46:46
  Speaker 20: first and only attempt to take Donald.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Well, the speculatufft.
• 46:52
  Speaker 20: And it's barely been what three days, that horrific incident,
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: and Trump's life was spared by less than a millimeter,
• 47:01
  Speaker 20: and yet he's not ramping it down at all.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's incredible, justin Look, we all know about Trump's rhetoric
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and what some of his supporters have done, but can
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: we have someone from the Democrat.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Side or for the broader left, at some stage.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Admit that their constant demonization of Trump, their constant suggestion
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that the very future of America is at stake, is
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: amplifying the whole situation, and they need to pull back too.
• 47:28
  Speaker 19: While it's probably a good point, I don't think they
• 47:30
  Speaker 19: necessarily need to pull back.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 47:32
  Speaker 19: I don't think Trump should be above criticism, and I
• 47:35
  Speaker 19: must say that he is still alive. But hang on
• 47:42
  Speaker 19: a second. You want me to be standing here speaking
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: in front of for the Democrats, I don't think they
• 47:46
  Speaker 19: should be pulling back. What they should be doing is
• 47:48
  Speaker 19: putting up better candidates. They should have had somebody better
• 47:52
  Speaker 19: running against him when they put up Hillary. Somebody should
• 47:54
  Speaker 19: have hid somebody better even with Biden. Now, yeah, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 19: they should have somebody better, and they should go even
• 47:59
  Speaker 19: high on Trump right now, you know putting you know, look.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: You don't have it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: It didn't.
• 48:07
  Speaker 20: It's rhetoric telling people, believing people, very honest people, that
• 48:12
  Speaker 20: this guy, Donald Trump is a threat to our democracy.
• 48:16
  Speaker 20: He is a very real threat.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Here's a threat to the democracy. He refused, he didn't
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: want to start last time.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: He stirred people up and was a convicted between.
• 48:29
  Speaker 20: The dead people voting, between the ballot stuffers which were
• 48:33
  Speaker 20: caught live on air by.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: No, you can't prove it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, excuse me. We're out of time now on
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: this issue. There we have the two ends.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Of this debate.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: It'll keep going for a few more months yet, but
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: we can just finish off the show then with a
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: little bit of Donald Trump uniting us all in some
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: amusing moments. Yeah, they played more than a minute of
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: that had the Republican national conviction and justin Liz, love.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Him or hate him, you can laugh at the village
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: people video. Oh absolutely, and he loves it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: He loves it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: That is his dance. He is unashamed of it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he'll do it more than once. Rally.
• 49:29
  Speaker 19: You can't laugh at it, no, Oh yeah, I think
• 49:32
  Speaker 19: it's fantastic. I think it's great. Okay, yes, although he
• 49:36
  Speaker 19: probably doesn't think it's a joke as the only problem.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: He probably thinks he's in the village. That's all the time,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: No more wrangling. Thanks for joining us. Liz will be
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: back at ten o'clock and Justin Smith will join us
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: again next week. Time now for Peter. Cheers,