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Are you on the masculinity to fascism pipeline? | Maintaining Frame 151 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian Iho with Alison and this is maintaining frame
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  Speaker 1: number one fifty one. Are you on the Masculinity to
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  Speaker 1: Fascism pypeline where we're going to be responding to intersectional
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  Speaker 1: bell Hooks fanatic Bryrony Claire. I think she's a New
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  Speaker 1: Zealand is producing some of the finest feminists these days.
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  Speaker 1: And by finest, I mean like black hole rage inducing.
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  Speaker 1: And she's been she's been drawing, she's been connecting the
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  Speaker 1: dots on masculinity and its link to fascism, especially I
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  Speaker 1: guess masculinity in confidence, but also masculinity when in when
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  Speaker 1: in crisis, when men suffer, they make lives worse for women.
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  Speaker 2: Also, so masculinity both.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a masculinity and it's it's it's in, it's
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  Speaker 1: in its ascension is bad because it's masculinity, but also
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  Speaker 1: when masculinity is in a state of you know, disarray
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  Speaker 1: and christ it's also bad. It's it's almost like it's
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  Speaker 1: just bad almost like yeah, almost like unless it's like
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  Speaker 1: one hundred in service to women. She does say that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there is positive masculinity. So it's like, well
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  Speaker 1: there must be something, Oh, I see. It's when men
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  Speaker 1: are doing exactly what you want all the time without question, I.
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  Speaker 2: See, and also taking blame for having done exactly and
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  Speaker 2: that somehow had a negative effect on you. Okay, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Men only exist.
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  Speaker 2: As women's will, which they don't have to take responsibility for,
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  Speaker 2: because if they did, then they'd have to accept that
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  Speaker 2: yesterday they chose something that today they found inconvenient or
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  Speaker 2: upsetting or impactful in a way that they don't like today,
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  Speaker 2: and they would have to take responsibility for having chosen
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  Speaker 2: to do that. And that's men's task too, that's men's.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we're gonna be looking at Briar and Eclaire.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to do some things before we do that? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, Okay. So this was a request by Richard Bier.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you Richard Berre for this lovely request. And
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  Speaker 2: I did, in fact go through every single one of
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  Speaker 2: byrony sources, and I have actually a very petty request
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  Speaker 2: of Brian that we go to exactly the timecode for
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  Speaker 2: sixteen because I.
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  Speaker 1: Am going to starting there.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have to start I want to start there.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have to continue on from there.
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  Speaker 1: We should at least play her little like super snarky, passive, aggressive,
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  Speaker 1: smug intro and then which is purely just you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to set the tone, and then we can get
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  Speaker 1: into the well.
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  Speaker 2: Specifically, I want to go to four sixteen because that's
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  Speaker 2: where she brags about her sources, and I, as much
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  Speaker 2: as I want to tear into her for the bullshit,
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  Speaker 2: I would like to actually point out to her and
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  Speaker 2: her audience we'll never see this, but anyway, we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to it when we get to four sixteen. I just
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  Speaker 2: I have a particular bone to pick with four sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to read do the intro, that's fine,
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  Speaker 2: but at some point, yeah, very early.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So those are the things, shall.
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  Speaker 1: We All right, let's go ahead and listen to Briar
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  Speaker 1: Renyclare talk about the masculinity crisis to fascism.
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  Speaker 3: Pipeline messaging of men struggling to be men has been
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  Speaker 3: around since Me Too happened in twenty seventeen. Guys are
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  Speaker 3: saying that they're scared to give a woman a compliment.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like they're got to be persecuted just for
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  Speaker 3: being a man. And then in comes Trump for his
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  Speaker 3: second when after losing in twenty twenty, he certainly made
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  Speaker 3: sure that people are going to be loyal to him
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  Speaker 3: this time. The messaging has been very clear. The measure
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  Speaker 3: of a man depends on how much he is fed
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  Speaker 3: by sorry respected by other men.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we don't have to get into any of that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, just just go to four sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's jump ahead to four sixteen is for me?
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  Speaker 3: Fine, Okay, whatever sculinity crisis even come into play, well,
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  Speaker 3: they're exploring it today. That's why I've been working on
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  Speaker 3: this for literal months and reading some very heavy books
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  Speaker 3: and studies about this. My lovely patrons, you've already got
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  Speaker 3: the extended stop.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing you read. Nothing in your sources was heavy. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: required more than three brain cells or perhaps just the
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  Speaker 2: ability to read. None of it, did you. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: about fifth grade level written like for for readers at
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  Speaker 2: a fifth grade level, opinion pieces in like CNN, right,
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  Speaker 2: these these these were not This was not heavy reading.
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  Speaker 1: It was today. Yeah, you read USA Psychology. We'll show you,
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  Speaker 1: guys the sources.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys, oh good lord. None of this, None
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  Speaker 2: of this was an Actually maybe the Pew research, maybe
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  Speaker 2: the Pew research, maybe the philosophical work on how Americans
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  Speaker 2: are developing their identities in the age of mass media
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  Speaker 2: done by some psychologists in the fifties. I doubt she
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  Speaker 2: read the book The Psychology today. No, there was nothing. Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I think there was some vanity fair yes reading, is
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  Speaker 2: it this is heavy.
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  Speaker 4: We Forum word in black, Yeah, National Geographic Reuters, USA Today,
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, NBC News.
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  Speaker 2: I just I want to say, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: see heavy reading, just take a look at the titles
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  Speaker 2: of my book Bookshelf. Yes, I am book Flexing. You
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  Speaker 2: you are I am the book Chad, and you are
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  Speaker 2: the other dude. You are the Virgin Byrony. Okay, let's see.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I wanted to say is that she says
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  Speaker 2: she is she she pretends to be so well researched
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  Speaker 2: on this topic. It took her months, guys, to read
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  Speaker 2: all of these like one page articles from news sources
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  Speaker 2: on the left that are all written to a fifth
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  Speaker 2: grade level. And this is heavy research. This is heavy research.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, gotta be all right. So let
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  Speaker 1: me see first time cold that I got here. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go ten, ten minutes and thirty two seconds. So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about I'm jumping ahead on
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  Speaker 1: her explanation of what fashion is because essentially she lays
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  Speaker 1: out what fascism is, and I think we all know
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  Speaker 1: like how these people define it, and now it's time
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  Speaker 1: to connect that to men, because that's what men are.
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  Speaker 1: They're a little fashion. If every one of them is
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  Speaker 1: a little Mussolini, you.
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  Speaker 5: Should be a monster, you know, because everyone says, well,
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  Speaker 5: you should be harmless, virtuous, you shouldn't do anyone any harm.
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  Speaker 5: You should sheath your competitive instinct.
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  Speaker 1: You shouldn't try to win.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to be too aggressive, you
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  Speaker 5: don't want to be too ASSERTI if you want to
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  Speaker 5: take a back seat and all of that. It's like, no, wrong,
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  Speaker 5: you should be a monster.
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  Speaker 3: Bins masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: That I think that's her friend of hers or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but monster. It's a
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  Speaker 1: feminist woman making fun of making fun of I guess
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  Speaker 1: men for being men. Yeah, yeah, that which she does
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  Speaker 1: not understand. And of course they meant they try to
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  Speaker 1: frame Peterson's quote in anative way, but it's just true,
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  Speaker 1: like only only people who don't understand that we don't
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  Speaker 1: live in a utopia right now, and that there is
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  Speaker 1: evil and hostility and danger and you have to be
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  Speaker 1: on the lookout for that and being weak and complacent
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  Speaker 1: and bending the knee is not going to protect you
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  Speaker 1: or the people you care about. And literally that's that
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  Speaker 1: falls on men, whether they like it or not, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's just what the reality is. So some men or
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  Speaker 1: most men are going to be like, yeah, that's how
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  Speaker 1: we have to be, and women like this will shit
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  Speaker 1: on that because they don't want men standing up for
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  Speaker 1: themselves or being like being capable of violence, which they
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  Speaker 1: have to be. It's just the reality, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it's funny because they probably defend the monster
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  Speaker 2: fucking or genre of romantic fiction.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, probably like the werewolf like smut. Yeah, I'm sure, yep.
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  Speaker 1: You ever see those ads on YouTube. There's like these
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  Speaker 1: weird like AI ads that have that are supposedly selling
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  Speaker 1: like uh fiction, and you'll see ads for them on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: and they're always like I think they're honestly, I think
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  Speaker 1: they're aimed at women, but they're like these weird like
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, she was a vampire and yet she
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I don't know, like she desired more.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like these really like cringey Twilight style
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  Speaker 1: fan fix that are becoming like available for purchase and
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  Speaker 1: they're all like lurid and sexual and stuff, and I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is basically women's fiction. I mean, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: think it is. You were the one talking about what
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  Speaker 1: the state of fiction is today, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: it because boys aren't reading books because nobody's writing books
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  Speaker 1: for them.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, No, and you're right, but I'm just pointing
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  Speaker 2: out that right now, people from this political spectrum are
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  Speaker 2: justifying erotic fiction around monsters, and yet, yeah, condemning this
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  Speaker 2: guy for recognizing that women don't want they.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want, well, he's not talking about Peterson's not even
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  Speaker 1: talking about what women are attracted to. He's simply talking about, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, essentially, what I think him and Joe Rogan
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  Speaker 1: were talking about was there is a an effort to
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  Speaker 1: you know, essentially demonize masculinity, and he was basically making
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  Speaker 1: the defense for it and saying, no, we need it,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But he was also saying that you don't just stay
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  Speaker 2: a monster, you learn.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's it's all about a monster that's under yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that has that under control. That's that's what he's saying.
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  Speaker 1: But they're leaving that out of the context, right because
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  Speaker 1: they want see what prior and he wants is for
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  Speaker 1: her audience to have a certain emotional reaction to that.
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  Speaker 1: So she doesn't like fill in the gap, she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: provide the context she just shows Peterson, who's like, what
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  Speaker 1: is he known for crying a lot on camera when
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  Speaker 1: thinking about like what people are going through, especially men,
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  Speaker 1: And that's and and then this is the clip she
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  Speaker 1: shares like it's obviously manipulation. So yeah, I think it's effective.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but anyway, I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more at this clip.
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  Speaker 3: Masculinity crisis has happened multiple times over the past hundred years.
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  Speaker 3: Even men are oppressed you see, and you know what,
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you, But what men are oppressed buying
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  Speaker 3: is patriarchal masculinity and the expectations put on men to
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  Speaker 3: be able to uphold this perfect image of what a
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  Speaker 3: man should be.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, all right, So men are oppressed by the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they're expected to become men in patriarchy and
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  Speaker 2: rather than just remaining like women, isn't isn't that fascinating?
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  Speaker 2: It's like men are oppressed by the fact that they're
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  Speaker 2: not like us. Isn't that like basically every colonialist justification,
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  Speaker 2: like not just like toxic colonialist justification in all of
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  Speaker 2: human history. We're liberating them from not being like us,
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  Speaker 2: and this is acceptable when women directed at men. Oh
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  Speaker 2: I'm liberating you from not being like me, because I
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  Speaker 2: am the standard of human being, a human being. Even
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  Speaker 2: at patriarchy's worst, these women never say that patriarchy liberates
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  Speaker 2: women from femininity in order to be men. There's always,
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  Speaker 2: and even in their perception and even in how they
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  Speaker 2: perceive patriarchy, patriarchy still allowed women to be feminine, that
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  Speaker 2: still regarded women as being feminists, being a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: Even the worst patriarchal oppressor that they can point to
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  Speaker 2: says that women should be feminine, They should be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to be feminine, they should be femine. Right, But this
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  Speaker 2: woman is saying men should not be allowed to be men,
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  Speaker 2: they should not be allowed to be masculine, because that
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  Speaker 2: is it's not just depression of women. Guys, you're oppressing yourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said so many times, seventy two genders, seventy
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  Speaker 2: two legitimate genders, and men is not one of them.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, it's just such incredible and titled arrogance
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  Speaker 2: to say, yeah, no, men, you're being oppressed by not
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  Speaker 2: being me. Like how narcissistic is that? He fue And
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  Speaker 2: then she shows Don Draper. Let's give a little background
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  Speaker 2: to Don Draper. He is presented as an incredibly damaged
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  Speaker 2: human being who is a product of sexual assault. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So he is a victim of sexual assault. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of his behaviors appear to be a result of it,
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  Speaker 2: and she's presenting this as the masculine ideal. His behavior
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  Speaker 2: is not the masculine ideal anywhere. It is the behavior
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  Speaker 2: of a damaged man, right. And that's that was the
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  Speaker 2: That was the that was the thrill of it, wasn't it, ladies.
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  Speaker 2: You got to see this damaged man implode. It was
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  Speaker 2: like some kind of snuff porn without the murder.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you get to vicariously live through his traumas
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  Speaker 2: and just almost so delicious. Right, this man is not
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  Speaker 2: an ideal for anyone. It was certainly wasn't even the
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  Speaker 2: ideal of the time, right, there are and I looked
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  Speaker 2: into this one guy. You know, you always have the
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  Speaker 2: one guy who's like the the feminist who has to
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  Speaker 2: sign off on this crap and say, oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there were this sort of it sort of captured the
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  Speaker 2: particles of the time and a kind of a loose
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  Speaker 2: net of meaning and you know, and you know it's bullshit,
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  Speaker 2: And but others said that there was no guy like this.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there was some maybe a guy who had problems
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  Speaker 2: with filandering, a guy might have problems with drinking or
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  Speaker 2: with secrecy, but this Don Draper having all of these problems.
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  Speaker 2: They said, yeah, there's no guy like that. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's other men, other actual advertising agents from the age
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  Speaker 2: that's that actually think that the depiction in mad Men
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  Speaker 2: is not only false, it's actually insulting to the time,
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  Speaker 2: to the men of the time, the men and the
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  Speaker 2: women who were part of that, and the guy who
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  Speaker 2: ended up being whoever this writer was, who wrote this,
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  Speaker 2: I never.
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  Speaker 1: Wrote the guy who wrote for the script or the
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  Speaker 1: or was mad Men based on like a book or something?
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  Speaker 1: Or I watched mad Men. I watched about five or
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  Speaker 1: six seasons of it, and I enjoyed it for what
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  Speaker 1: it was, which was just entertainment. I never thought it
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  Speaker 1: was history. I never thought it was a documentary. I
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  Speaker 1: knew the characters were like over the top, and I
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  Speaker 1: knew the people who created the show, you know, couldn't
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  Speaker 1: know what life was actually like in advertising in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, and they were just like what was the sixties? Right?
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  Speaker 1: So like chauvinism, white dudes, you know, and that was
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  Speaker 1: basically what they did right homophobia, Like, there was like
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  Speaker 1: a whole bit where one of the guys was gay,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like a big thing on the show,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, it's just TV, and
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  Speaker 1: it's actually I got bored. It lost its edge when
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  Speaker 1: they killed off what's his name, Richard Harris's son, who
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: was one of the characters. I can't remember his name,
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  Speaker 1: but he commits suicide in the show. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was from stress and because he was gonna
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: lose his job or something. And of course, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a real men's issue that Mad Men.
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  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, nobody finds it relevant to bring up
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  Speaker 1: because we got to talk about how they're always drinking
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  Speaker 1: and woman nights and smoking and stuff. So anyway, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Alison, go ahead, what are we going to
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  Speaker 1: say about that?
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  Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is that the man who
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  Speaker 2: Don Draper, like the name uh Draper Daniels, I think
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  Speaker 2: he was nothing like Don Draper. You didn't have the
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  Speaker 2: personality flaws. He ended up marrying a fellow ad executive.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: People didn't even know that. Yeah, they were adding female
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  Speaker 2: ad executives at the time, and the guy this guy
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  Speaker 2: was based on married one. I think they were they
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  Speaker 2: were later because I don't think they had any children,
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  Speaker 2: but there was a it was a marriage of equals.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that wasn't depicted in the show. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, you always have the one guy who
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  Speaker 2: signs off on the feminist interpretation of everything, and then
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  Speaker 2: there was the other dude who was like, yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is actually insulting to the people of the era.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is a poor depiction, they said. He
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  Speaker 2: actually said the business side and the difficulty of it
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  Speaker 2: was depicted well. But then they course drift into the
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  Speaker 2: personalities because everything has to be about drama, and that's
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  Speaker 2: where he felt like it really fell down because it
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  Speaker 2: didn't like Don Draper doesn't respect, doesn't represent any man
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  Speaker 2: that he knew. His flaws were taken from multiple men
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  Speaker 2: and put into one man, and they were considered flaws.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy, who's an malgam of everything that these
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  Speaker 2: men at that era would have considered a flaw in
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  Speaker 2: a man, and they put all those flaws together into
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  Speaker 2: a Frankensteinian connection creation and Byrony right here says, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was the ideal of the time, it's what do
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  Speaker 2: you do with such phenomenal idiocy?
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  Speaker 1: And then she has the advacity.
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  Speaker 2: To think of herself as.
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  Speaker 6: One of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: No point in your rambling incoherent response were you even
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened
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  Speaker 6: to it. I award you no points, and may God
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: have mercy on your soul.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: That's what you respond with.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Indeed, the sheer chatspa of this woman saying that
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: she reads that anything that she's ejaculating in this lukewarm
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: mid wittery is a result of any kind of intellectual
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: heavy lifting. That's what galls me most.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay, all right, I got I got a super
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: chat from Guild of Arcane Lore for five ninety nine
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Canadian oh, six ninety nine Canadian Thank you, And they
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: say patriarchy, if it exists, is to protect women, not
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: oppress them. Thank you for that, Guild of Arcane Lore.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: All right, So.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: A that is a significant number that he shows six.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe in Canadian dollars in Canadian pesos maybe thank you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: for the for the pesos. Thank you for the monopoly money.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm joking. I'm joking.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: What Orpheus in the special Chat says, subjugating women isn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the same as protecting women. Lamaut, No, it isn't. That's why,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that's not what men did in the past. They didn't
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: subjugate women. They protected them. And in fact, that entire
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: narrative that men subjugate women is used in order to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: manipulate their desire to protect women. You're part of a farce.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Wake up, Okay, let's keep going, all right, Yes, let's dose.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: More and jeff what a man should be and try
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: and to succeed to those standards and cryptalism. Patriarchal masculinity
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: affects men by drafting them into wars, of having to
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: fit into the provider role, to cutting themselves off from
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: feeling and processing their emotions in a healthy way from youth,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: which means that they don't know how to handle them
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: when they grow up from the shop.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just stop for just a second, Okay. Maxim
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: masculinity is why men fight wars, Like if only men
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: weren't men, then would there would never be war? Because
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: women they never fight. They never fight with each other.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: They never fight with other people. They never demand that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: men fight for them. One of the things that she
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: leaves out, by the way, is all of them. When
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: she says men are pressured into X, she doesn't say
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: who pressures them. She doesn't say where any pressure to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: be masculine comes from. Well, it's not from then, it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: not from other men. And that's why she won't because
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: if it was from other men, she would just say
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it's from other men. But she doesn't say that because
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: she knows that's a lie. So she just says society
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: does this, and what so what we need to do
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is we need to go find society and since society
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and give them a good talking to about how they
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: are imposing things on men. But we can't do that
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: because society is just like this abstract thing that you
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: just use, so you can avoid saying, oh, this is
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: something that women do. And the reason why it's not
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: because we think I don't think it's possible to get
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: women to stop being women, Like I think that's just
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: kind of a pipe dream. Okay, But if we understand
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that women are the ones that create the pressure in
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: most cases for men to behave a certain way, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: men just do that because women ask the question and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: men answer generally. Then feminists will have to shut up
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: or they would have to go after women, and they
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know that's not going to work out. So what they
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do is they do it in little ways, like if
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a woman comes across as a little bit too pro man,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: then they attack that woman, call her a pick me
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: or whatever, a handmaiden of the patriarchy, And that's their
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: way of like sort of giving women nudges. But they
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: don't they do it by I think, creating like a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: chilling effect. You know, well, we went up to this
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: woman because she betrayed the sisterhood. And but that doesn't
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: mean that this isn't a society problem. Hm.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I just want to point out that feminism is the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: last excuse to target women because they're women.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: For certain thing, the only one, right, Yeah, it.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Really is the only one. You can justify doing anything
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: to a woman if it's in the name of feminism,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: which is actually I find that sort of scary, but
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I guess other women are okay with it. Okay, let's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, we got another special chat. Do you want
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to respond to it? So?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, is it a paid special.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Or Brad no, no, it's it's a free one. But
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Brad Wilson, I'm just gonna highlight this because this is, uh,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: this is I mean, this is useful because this is
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: where people's default settings. This is what I'm talking about
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: when I talk about how most people are on the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: default settings. This is the default settings. Okay, so Brad
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Wilson says, but if you were given the option to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be able to break up with abusive partners, own land, vote,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: express opinions, drink alcohol, or not be able to do
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: those things, what would you pick? And then he says
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: literally less literally this is this is so good. This
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: is so good. Hold on, literally less than one hundred
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: years ago, many of these thugs were still happy. He
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: means things literally.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Just maybe one hundred or so years ago. We've been
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: in such a few years ago.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I yes, I guess if you give
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: all the power to half the population, that can be good.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: But historically they have not been incredibly good. Okay, I'm listening,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: he says, So go ahead and respond if you want to.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'd have to reconstruct the argument here, because, uh,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: give all the power, given the option to be able
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to break up with abusive parties. You don't know anything
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: about the past, go read about it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Why do you think men would use power to harm women?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Why would they do that? Why would How have we
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: survived as a species from the beginning of our species,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: from before we were even humans? How is it possible
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that we're still around having kids and getting married and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: starting families if men were just putting women under their
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: heel for all of history, how is that possible?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Let me do a thought. Let's do a thought experiment. Here.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: We have two tribes. One tribe, the men derive an
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: identity from making sure their women are provided and protected. Right,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So they make sure that they're fed, they make sure
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to fight off the tiger of the lion, and they
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: take an identity for it. So that's men work. Fair enough,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So there's a bit of a and in all hunter
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: gatherer tribes there is a demarcation of what's men's work
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: and what's women's work. But they take an identity from
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: protecting women from predators and making sure they have food. Right,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm feeling comfortable and happy, all right.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Then we have a second tribe, and that tribe is
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the tribe of feminist and dronicus. Feminists and dronicus what
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: that what that means is the man as invenisioned as
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: envisioned by feminist conjecture. So, you know how we have
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: economic theories and usually they have to simplify people's behavior
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: into a sort of an organism that doesn't resemble a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: human being, which we call homo economicists. This is feminine
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: feminists and dronicus the feminine, the feminine feminist man as
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: envisioned by feminist conjecture. We have a tribe of feminist
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and dronicus. They prioritize using rape and be to keep
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: their women in line. They make their women work for them.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: They subjugate them, and the way that past societies subjugated slaves,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: they ensure that women are the ones going after the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: deadly predators, right, which, at the end of the ten years,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: which tribe survives.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on, all right, Well, one more thing.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: He's he's kind of challenging you, though, he says, Okay,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Why do you think so
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: many people have mongol DNA in them today?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Uh? Because women really like conquerors. I mean, we assume
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that it's all rape don't we we do?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Why do we assume that, Allison? Why do we assume
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that we don't know? Like you couldn't even prove it
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: with a rape kit. The only thing you could prove
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is that sex happened. So why do we assume that?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Where do where do our assumptions come from? Before we
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: even get into the data.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But let let me ask you ask him? Is he
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: talking about the migration of the step people?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: No? He just no, he's just he says, it's all rape.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It's documented, it's all rape with Mongols apparently.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are you okay? All right?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Well that that means that Genghis Khan is basically all men.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: This is what we all are now, okay.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right? So we live in the feminists and
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: dronicus is now Genghis Khan. It isn't an issue.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Of So Genghis Khan is an example of one man
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: who has access to multiple women. Right what's happening in
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the dating market right now? Right now? What's happening? A
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: very small percentage of men are getting access to a
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: large number of women based on what their status.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, based on their looks, based on their personality type.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: You know, in some cases based on their ability to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: do violence to other men. Like, here's the thing. Like,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: the other thing is that when the Mongols came through,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they killed all the men. So if the women want
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: a child, who's it gonna be with?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to the men of the tribes that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the Mongol conquered? Oh, but that doesn't matter because they
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: were killed by men. Therefore it doesn't matter. Right, It's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like how it's like how prison rape doesn't matter. The
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: male victims of prison rape don't matter because they're raped
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: by men. So like when men do something, it cancels
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: out any suffering that men experience.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Why would men construct a system in which they have
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to kill each other to get reproductive opportunities? What does
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: that make sense? Okay mm hmm, all right. And also
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I looked at this. I looked at the I actually
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: did some analysis. It might be simply in part that
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: we are we have Genghis Khans or DNA. I think
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: that we actually have like a DNA sample because he's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a famous guy and he was buried somewhere that we
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: could actually locate if we just found random Mongol peasant
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: or random Chinese dude from that far back and had
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: his DNA and then just calculated how many descendants he'd have.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It probably wouldn't be that dissimilar. And the reason why
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: is because of just you know, each generation, like we're
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: go far enough back, we're all like tenth cousins.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean yeah, if you find if you're if
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you're cherry picking one guy who was a conqueror who
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: had sired lots of children, and then you're using that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to support the argument of like historical oppression of women
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: by men everywhere, then that's the straw man like I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I'm I don't I'm not. I'm I don't know if
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I have Genghis Khan in my line, but that doesn't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: make me a better person that someone, you know, than
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: another guy that does. And again, I think that the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: truth is is that it's probably not simply you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: people just getting dominated by men everywhere. I think that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of times women also just they made the choice.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: They were like, well, I guess we're part of this
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: tribe now, and that's it. They were like, we're trying
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to change our fashion sense and language because that was
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the world we lived in, you know.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the other thing is that women raping men
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: is also documented in the past. I don't know about
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the Mongols raping people being specifically documented, but if it was,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: then it would have been documented in a You.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: See gangis Khan like with a line of women and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: he's telling some other guy. I write that down. Oh god,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it's ancient. Hiss too soon, too soon? Okay, that's too
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: close to home.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm skeptical on the documentation. I had to look,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I'd have to look at it. But the other thing
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: is that we have documentation of women raping men. Does
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that mean that every woman is a rapist and has
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: created a matriarchy in which rape is used to subjugate men, Like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: look at the story the Handmaiden's Tale is based on.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That's like, remember when we went through that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, the Bible, right, it was yeah, yeah, Joseph, No, no,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it was from the Old I believe it was the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Old Testament. I forget that, the Old Testament. I'm terrible.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm more terrible with names because you know, getting nervous
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: on streams, so my brain half my brain shuts down.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: But it was, uh, the Jacob. I think it was Jacob,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Jacob Jacob. But anyway, you could you could Oh.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. It was Jacob.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could have just retitled that entire biblical story
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: is how can we traumatize Jacob today? Because he was
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: he was so subjec to sexual sexual assault.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And sexual expectation.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: He was prostituted by one of his wives to another
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: of his wives for a man Drake Rout the guy
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and his one wife actually demanded that he have sex
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: with her or she was going to kill herself. I mean,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you read that story, and somehow Margaret Atwood took a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: story that was wall to wall the sexual abuse of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: man of a man in the Bible and turned it
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: into the Handmaiden's Tale. That's that is Actually that is
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: prototypical feminism. It's like, oh, men are victims of something,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: but how can we refraid return this into women being
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: victims of it? Oh?
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Going?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: All right, anyway, let's keep going. And now, so one
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: thing you guys will notice is that Briann Eclair loves
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like movies and TV, so she'll often reference it, which
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is hilarious because it's completely useless to have a serious discussion.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Oh here's a fictional I'm gonna use this to make
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: my point, and it's like, yeah, but that's made up.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway, share concept of masculinity being so fragile that any
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: sliver of doubt that gets thrown your way means that
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you have to fight to defend your manhood and the
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: absolute crushing way of trying to be the standard and
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: have all of the correct symbols of me.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I just say, real quick, that's scene an American psycho
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: with the business cards. It's absolutely absurd, which is why
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: everybody loves it. It's not because men are seriously thinking, yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that's totally me. Guys like no, it's a ridiculously absurd scene.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: That's why it's so funny. I don't know, I don't
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: know if you understand, like comedy Brier Declaire, but that
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: scene is on purpose stupid, Like it's we always make
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: reference to it my friends and I, you know, whenever
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: we do anything. Oh that's bone, you know. And the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: font is something called silly and rail. Let's see Paul
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Allen's Patriots, right, and it's so great. I love it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite part of that movie, Like it's everybody's favorite.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: But anyway, and she's like, this is proof of masculinity
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: in crisis. Oh my god, ladies, why do you take
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: things so seriously? I got a super chat from the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Assassin of the Gray for twenty dollars, Thank you, Assassin
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: of the Gray, and he says, the entire notion of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the Handmaid's Tale makes no sense. In a Western civilization
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: dealing with an extinction level event, fertile women would be
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the new celebrity class, weighted on hand and foot, who
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: could do no wrong. Absolutely, yes, yeah, like it, You're right,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. I think that
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: what's her name? The person who wrote it, I forget
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: her name, but she thought she cooked, and a lot
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of women think she did. Like this is what I mean. Like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you know, we joke about how like kind of low
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: IQ and simplicity. This is this these arguments are, but
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: like they're really popular with Norman midwits that like to
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: feel smart. M hm.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, masculinity when we're at it costs a
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: liven crisis, a housing crisis where it's really incredibly hard
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: to get a job, let alone a well paying and
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: secure job, and wealth disparity has only gotten worse from
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, with the pandemic starting there we can't forget
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: how many companies that basically oligak is now at this
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: point for other brand.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Huh, that was the point. It was enforced consumption, which
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: made many people massively rich.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And Briann Eclair supported it, like she still thinks the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: pandemic's going on now and she's all about like everything
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that came with it, but she also has complaints. It's like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: but you probably supported this, Like if I don't know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't get a chance to look into it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But if there's a housing crisis in New Zealand or Australia,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: which I think is where she is, like, what cast
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: why is it? Could it be? Could it be mass immigration?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Could it be inflation? Could it be the tanking of
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: your currency? Could have some like you, you want to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: blame men for this somehow, but I feel like it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: probably somebody else's fault, a different group of people. But
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: anyway I want to jump to because you'll let me
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: labor speech. I don't really care about that. Elevenveh No, wait,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that's yeah. This is Ben Griffin's perceptions of crisis in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the history.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Of masculinity ands and companies that they own. It is
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: hard for men to get any of those signifies to
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: be able to feel like a real man. Things are
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: not good. That's for any gender, not just men. Take
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: a typical.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Case, any gender that is, all the other genders have
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: it worse than men. That's that's what she should say.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: But well, okay, so what about women's signifiers. Like here's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: the thing, Like, what was the meme that men can
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: just live in a room with a desk in a
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: computer with a like a mattress on the floor.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like men, men, you know, can just have
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: this and and I forget what it is, but it's like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I can't believe men could live like this kind of
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: a thing. And it's just like an empty apartment with
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you know, a futon, a TV and a PlayStation or
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: an Xbox or whatever, you know, and that's it. And
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the men are like, yeah, that'll work, like maybe a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: bean bag chair if you're feeling really luxurious.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at like what women expect in terms
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of signifiers, like the mc mansion, which used to be
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: a big thing a decade ago when people could still
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: buy houses, you know, and all the status symbols in
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the mc mansion, and then the the whole recently the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: TikTok or the Twitter thing with women saying they wouldn't
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: date a man with an android phone.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Remember that, Oh, I remember, Well, there's the list of IX,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: which is ever expanding.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: The list of can really be concluded down to don't
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: be poor and don't be feminine men, Like, there's one
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: ick was having an umbrella or uh, what was giggling
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: finding things funny? Like there was one woman who's like, uh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: disgusted by men when they laughed. It was anything expressing
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a human emotion or a frailty or a vulnerability. Any
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: anything that presented men as not of use in that
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: moment wasn't it could potentially become an ICK. That was
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: men not being dangerous, angry, or not useful. So the
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: only way that men could avoid becoming an ICK or
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: creating ICKX in women would be to be dangerous, angry,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: or useful. If you look at the entire list of X,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: and we went through the whole thing, I remember multiple
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: lists of X trying to understand it. And that's that
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: is my conclusion from all of the IX that I've seen.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: If you want to avoid women's X, be dangerous, be angry,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: or be useful, at all times. Yep, at least those
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: women who write lists of X and you don't think
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that like does so? Really, who are men being this for?
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Who are men adopting this persona for? Is it because
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: they're trying to trying to attract other men?
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Is that what this is? Are these guys like showing
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: off their their bone white business car. I don't know
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: why she didn't realize that that was satire. These guys
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: are flexing their muscles. They're getting the big, the fast cars,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: they are the vast expensive cars. They're doing all of
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: these things. They're pursuing this kind of macho and they're
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: doing it, of course because they want to attract theemboys.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: That's it is. It is not patriarchy. It is the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: tyranny of the femboy. Meemboys are driving everything. Behind everything
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: is a femboy and a man who wants to appeal
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to them by becoming more masculine, more dominant, more muscular,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: you know, by being dangerous. Yeah, that's what it is.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: That's who the men are. We've been figured out here, Brian.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I think we've we've got it. Men are adopting these traits.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: They're making money, more money, than they need. They're getting swoll,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they're becoming confident, you know, they're doing all of these
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: macho things for the femboys.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I think that whenever what I'm noticing, I mean, I've
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: seen this for a while, a trend of feminists not
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: addressing the elephant in the room, which is when they
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: make these critiques of society and they leave out the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: h If they leave out a gender and they keep
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: it like gender neutral, then they're usually referring to women.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: But they don't want to refer to women, so they
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: just say society. They just say, you know, civilization, they
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: say modern world whatever, like they name the country, but
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: they don't say like women. That's because they really want
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: to say women, but they can't because it will kill
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: their argument. It'll deflate their argument, and they're trying to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: sell women on this, so blaming women doesn't work. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: then but when it's time to address men, they will
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: be very clear and say that it's men. So that's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: how you know, there's got to be like a term
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: for it. It's like argumentum add you know, erasum womanum
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: or something. But they just leave women out of the equation,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: even though they're totally part of the equation, like when
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: she talks about how masculinity equals capitalism, which she you know,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put in quotes because I know when
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: when communists say capitalists, they're just talking about property rights.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: But they can't say property rights because property rights are
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to those, and they can't attack that. So
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: instead they make up a word called capitalism and they
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: attack that, and and then they they you know, claim
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: a bunch of negative things that come with it. But
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a part of that that they critique is materialism, which
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: she will talk about, or consumerism, which she will talk about,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and the and the truth is she'll say, oh, it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the system. But who are the biggest purchasers? Is it
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: men or women? We just talked about how men are
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: willing to live well below you know, any luxuries that
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: they don't if they don't need to. They're just like, oh,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I just want a place to live and food on
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the table and you know, maybe some entertainment and I'm good.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: And but women are the biggest spenders. They're the ones
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: who's not only do they spend they get money spent
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: on them by men, but they almost always spend their
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: money on themselves. And so like they have you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the people talk about the wage gap, but the wage
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: gap doesn't matter, you know, even though it has been
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: debunked endlessly, But it's irrelevant because what you make is
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: not as important as what is spent on you, like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: what do you get? Right, And so men spend their
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: resources on women, and women spend the resources on women,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and women also get resources from the government, like this
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: is on average overall all the time. And yet they
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and yeah, they may spend it on like whatever because
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: they have so much of it. And so then you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: get these these you know, these feminists that essentially created
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the system that we're in with the things that they
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: push for. And they come forward and complain about capitalism
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: because they think it's like doing harm and they and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: obviously they don't blame men directly for that, so they
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: just call it capitalism. But then they say capitalism is
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a masculine thing, so this way they can blame men indirectly.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I think that we're pretty much going right out blaming
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: men at this point. If you're conflating masculinity with fascism,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I think you're sort of blaming men at this point.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And if you're saying that men are a problem in
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: crisis and when they're confident, you know, I actually think
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that men are a hell of a lot more deeper
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: than this perception is allowing them. I think that like this,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: this is this. This perception is that when men are
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: not capable of doing these signifiers that make them more
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: attracted to someone, the femboys. Right, when they're not able
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: to attract a sufficient number of femboys, it's like they
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: take their their their their their child and their toys
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: have been taken away, and they throw a tantrum. And
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that's a really simplistic understanding of the situation for men. Yeah,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: and it's it's actually a very trivializing understanding, and I
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: think it ultimately, at the end of the day, also
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: trivializes women. But that's a but. I think I think
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: at this point we can say they are pointing to
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: men as the problem, men in masculinity as the problem.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And I think one of the judging from the fact
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that Bearny bear any Byron is a a communist, I
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: think that what she's taking aim at is men's identification
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: with work and meritocracy, because I guess if we get
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: rid of that, we can have our perfect communist utopia
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: in which no one works.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: And yeah, but that's but that's that's not going to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: happen either, because she's going to expect men to work,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: just like, not complain and not have opinions men, because
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: somebody's got to keep her little Christmas lights on and
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: her makeup coming and her cheap clothes, like, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like you can see how she's living that she obviously
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: expects the labor of men to continue, even if she
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't think that women should work, or at least not
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: work as hard. So I don't know, And it's all
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: rhetoric at the end of the day, designed to emotionally
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: manipulate women, which, by the way, women are I just
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: watched the video from Coilette, but I already knew this.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for a while. Women are
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: becoming way more radicalized than men are. Despite all the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: claims that men are becoming radicalized, besides all of the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: all of the fear mongering coming out of here from
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: people all over the place, women are becoming way more radicalized.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And it has more to do with women operating in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: their peer groups online that you know, exploit their let's say,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: their desire their agreeableness and their desire to, uh, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: make make everybody happy. I guess like that it's there.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I want to say compassion, I guess, but I don't
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: know if it's quite right. But it's definitely exploitative. So anyway,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: let's let's continue.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: So the skilled workman out of employment. He walks from
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: factory to factory, knowing his own skill, but driven away
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: each time because his labor is not wanted. The wife
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: has probably gone into the think of the degradation of
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: that man's manhood. That is, our wife should become the
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: breadwinner instead of himself. That was a speech from nineteen
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: eleven that the labor MP James O'Grady made masculinity is
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: something to be reformed.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: And okay, so a comedy guy spoke about how hard
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it is for male workers and talked about emasculation, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you're using this as.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Data, Well, there is something to this, Okay, all right,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: she's essentially saying that, and somebody else pointed this out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: During the Great Depression, there was no big uprising of
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: men because they all regarded as a personal failing. Right,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. She's like, Oh, he feels like
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: he isn't a man. Yeah, he feels like he isn't
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: a man. He feels like it's a personal failing that
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: he can't work right, and everywhere those women like if
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: you read something that she's probably never read of mice
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and men. Okay, oh no, actually was I think we
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: might have been the grapes of wrath.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't when she says a labor party, So
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like there was the guy who was American.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it matters.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: But it's it's I mean, the Great Depression was around
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the world, and it might be something that relates. But
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: in one of Steinbeck's works there's a woman, a wife
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: who basically berates her husband and says, well, if you
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: had a job, then you would be the man and
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I would listen to you.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: So there was pressure put on these men by women
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to provide. This wasn't just an identity that men put
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: on themselves. Women also put it on men, and they
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: shamed men for not being able to live up to
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: that expectation of being a provider. And so we have
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: all of these men out of work, and in some
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: in some places this would have led to an uprising,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: but specifically in America and probably in the Western cultures,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: it didn't because these men saw their inability to get
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: a job not as a problem with the system, but
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: as a problem with themselves. So what they're pointing at,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: what Byrony is pointing at here, I think I said
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that right, is that it was men's identities that kept
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: them attached to this particular system. However, what they're doing
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: is not saying, hey, this is a way that you're
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: being constrained. What they're doing is they're actually insulting masculinity
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: entirely in associating it with evil. And yeah, it's a
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: it's a I think I think that's what they're what.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I think that's what the analysis is is that the
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: attachment to the job is what keeps them in a
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: position of servitude to the system, and they want to
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: break the system. But the problem is that they're not
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: reckingzing that any productive system needs to have a way
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: to incentivize productivity and people. You need to give people
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: a reason to work.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't want to do that. I don't
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: think it's a mistake or an oversight. I think Brian
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Neclair just does not give a shit about men. She's
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: you men are an obstacle. There's the obstacle because when
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a man has like his meaning, you know what his,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and she talks about like, oh, you want to work
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: for Jeff Bezos. Actually I think that a lot of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: men would just start their own business. But whatever, like
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you you will again, as usual, women engaging in women
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: like this, engaging in apex fallacy where they look at
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the top guy. You want to work for the richest
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: guy in the oligarchs. No, actually, most guys just want
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to start their own little thing and do that. But
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: but again it's she doesn't think that. That's the men
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: who are that have like a mission. She's what men
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: are looking for. And a lot of times that mission is,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: you know, taking care of your loved ones, protecting the
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: people you love, your family, your friends, whatever, your wife.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: That drives them to be like, you know, independent and
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: work for themselves. And they're gonna want to they do
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: things like acquire currency and and that kind of stuff.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: But she that's an obstacle to these people because they
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: don't want that. They she doesn't want. That's that's why
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it's not she's that they are not noticing this. They
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to address this because ultimately they don't want
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: they want us to live. I guess in some society wherever,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: somehow we just have shit and everyone shares it all
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the time and nobody works, and the idea that that
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: means that there people will be purposeless is irrelevant. She
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't care. And ultimately, like, even in that women will
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: still at least be able to like reproduce, but men
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: won't have anything, and they don't care. I mean, they
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: don't care. Like I don't think this is an oversight.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is ignorance. I think this is
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: evil and hatred of men and everything men stand for.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Because everything that she attacks all of the systems. And
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't make a distinction between feminists and communists,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: because there isn't one like they to them, men and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: masculinity is the obstacle to whatever their goals are, whether
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that is you know, control or the.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Desire for a merit based system.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which which men need. And that's why she says, oh,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: do you really want to be competing with other men
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: all the time. It's like, actually, most of the time
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: men just cooperate, so that that's you're you're you're creating again,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you're creating you know, uh, tension, whether where none really exists.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Then don't compete against other men. They compete against goals, yes,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: and outcomes and environments like that's I mean. And then
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: they do also compete against other men, but often in
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: a cooperative way. I mean, even war is ultimately a
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: very cooperative kind of activity. Mm hmm. It's it requires
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: a great deal of cooperation to prosecute. So yeah, that no,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I think that. And honestly, like, look at all of
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: this that's being presented as masculinity. You realize that this
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: was all that feminists left to men, Like.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it's all it's all there, it's all
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: their cartoonish.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Cartoonish this funny. It's like feminists constructed the stereotype about
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: what masculinity is. They literally, like in the seventies, the
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: masculine norms had all kinds of things like honesty, integrity,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: supporting your family and friends, providing and protecting, you know,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and and going out of your way to sacrifice for
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: others as part of masculinity. And they winnowed it down
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: over the decades to playboy that's it, and all of
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: these stereotypes about masculinity right, and then feminists take their
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: stereotyping about masculinity and say, well, why why do men?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Why do men want to be this way?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, this is all like advertising and fiction, that's it,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and that's what they think. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Like I said, what man spreading? Like here's like a
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: guy man spreading. This is masculinity, Like I do you
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: guys think? Like do you get on the train You're like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna man spread the shit out of this chair?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think that? Or do you just sit down
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: like I'd like, I don't know this woman is I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: don't think. The thing that I know for sure about
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: feminist is they do not understand men, and they really
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: don't understand masculinity, and they have no interests in it,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: no interest.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Constantly under surveillance of how I made my two thousand
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: series years ago, just how binary.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Is constantly wait wait, wait, masculinity is constantly under surveillance,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: and yet who what sex is going on podcasts and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: constantly complaining about having to prove Megan Markle, I have
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: to prove I'm a good friend. I have to prove this,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: that and the other thing, which sex is constantly under
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: surveillance by members of its own group? Is it really men?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Because I'm pretty sure that men are not surveilling each
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: other as much as women are, is what I was
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: getting at?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Oh? For sure? For sure?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Like this constant need to maintain this particular quality about yourself, right,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: this performance requires It doesn't just require a constant feeling
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: of inauthenticity, of trying to generate an impression in others.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: It also not all. It also fears and desires constant
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: surveillance by others. Right, you cannot be a performance without
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: an audience, But you when an audience is present, you
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: are being surveilled, You're being watched, things are expected of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you in terms of a performance. So I'm like, she's saying, well,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: it's this constant surveillance that men have against Is that
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: really true? Though? Are men constantly looking at each other?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to find a crack. I'm going to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: find a thing I can I can drill down and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: make him feel insecure about himself. Oh oh is that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: mustache a little bit uneven?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah? No, And we and you can look at the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're here and you're still
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what we could constantly be talking about.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Look up the data on bullying online. When women, women
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: experience bullying from other men way more than men, uh
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and way way more than even men experience from other men.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Women are, like I've said many times, the social media
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: is call of duty lobbies for women, like they are
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: brutal to each other. And it's all all the time.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, like even and very young too so and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that's because that's the social sphere. Like women like run that,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: they run that. So anyway, go to Instagram or TikTok
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and you'll see it's all it's all women. But let's uh,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: let's continue.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: How homophobia was incredibly rampant and men had to constantly
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: be proving themselves through these patriarchal masculinity struggles.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood creates all the content
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: that you guys can respond to and then say this
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: is this is reality, Like you're delusional? What, yeah, I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: don't I.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Don't recall there being a hell of them. I mean
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of don't be gay kind of stuff.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: And also these are teenagers. Teenagers are crushanting up each
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: other's asses about being right or being approbate, you know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: like deviating from whatever standard they're upholding. You know, there's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: still kids. They still got that little bit of psycho
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: psychopathy that kids have. They're just learning to be adults.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, I'm not convinced.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: No, no, though, this is like, but there's always being
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: asserted that men do this, or at least suggested. They
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: can never really make the claim directly because it's just
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: not true.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: But the term metrosexual existed for men that had a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: shower and didn't just do the sniff test before they
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: put on an outfit. When I grew up in the UK,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: there was this chocolate bar called Yorky which was specifically
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: targeted not for girls, so just for men. And that's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: because eating chocolate.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Does that Does that candy bar still exist? It's you see, like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: this is how she This is her this is her
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: academic research. This is the extent of a rigor that
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: was a commercial for a chocolate bar.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, but does it still.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Do they still do those commercials though? Because I want
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: to know, they should, They should bring that. There're no
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: way they get arrested because in the UK they'd probably
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: send the cops to the Nestley Building or.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Something of insecurity.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: So your red for the new Chocolate Bob was a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: little bit misdier news do you guy? Isn't it okay?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: So ben are insecure? But we can no longer have
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: a commercial like this because it offends women's sense of self.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: But come on, like there's some there are things that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: are now we cannot that people can't say in the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: UK because it offends women's sense of self and makes
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: them feel insecure. Right, we have laws against women being
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: made to feel insecure, and you're telling me that men
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: are the insecure gender.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, right, yeah, Like in Nottingham and some
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: other parts, like you can get a you can get
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: fined or arrested for flirting wolf whistling. In Scotland, you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: can get in trouble for boasting about sexual conquests in public.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean, like it's Scotland. Like you go to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: any bar and there's probably guys there, you know, probably
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: wearing kilts, playing bagpipes and bragging about their conquests. I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: imagine that's what I imagine in Scotland. Looks like it's guys
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: in kilts, bagpipes and claymores. Maybe maybe some face paint.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Well it's a little ex accurate perception.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well exactly if we're gonna lean in the cartoon,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: let's go all let's go all the way. All right,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: let me see what the next bit is. Yorky. It's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: not for girls, no, no, let her finish their Oh
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: yeah sure, sure.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Was considered to be effeminate. That adspread things like you
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: got the vote, be happy with that, save your money
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: for driving lessons, King size.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Love that not available in pink. These are amazing. I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: think all of this is this mac Please, I want
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: that truck to be shaped like a giant penis. Let's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: just go all in.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of this is now illegal because it made
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: women feel insecure. They had to make they had to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: get rid of a fundamental part of democracy, which is
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: free speech, because they felt insecure about themselves. And yet
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: it's men who are insecure.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: It's not Queen's size. All of this in the two
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: thousands was a backlash to the Gilpaler movement that was
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: happening in the nineties. Very important that men stay on top,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: and in order to be able to do that.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: You need no power men down. And you know what,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I actually read Christina Hoffsummer's War on Boys. The thing
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: that happened in the nineties was this whole reviving Ophelia
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: thing in which girls were seen as being suppressed in school,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: that they didn't have a voice, that they were being crushed.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: There was absolutely no evidence behind it, none whatsoever. So
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: they the Gilliam was the person she proposed this, and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: no evidence was required. People were just, oh, girls are
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: victims of something that has to one hundred percent be true,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: no evidence required. And that's empowerment. Is it being a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: victim of society's empowerment? Interesting?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, boys were actually falling behind in schools at
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: the time, which is still unaddressed, and nobody cared.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't matter because you know, I watched Mad
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Men and American Psycho and I know what, man, that's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: the truth about men. I mean, I saw it on TV.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: And my stereotype I'm smart.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my stereotypes about.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Stereotypes about what men are. Tell me that men, if
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: they have problems, it's just because they got their toys
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: taken away herpiderp Yeah, it's just And what they did
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: with boys eventually is that they describe boys as being
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: victims of not being girls, like patriarchy forcing them away
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: from behaving like girls, being like girls. So and then
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: they started medicating boys so that they would act more
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: like girls, or at least more passive. And now we're
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: finding out just how bad those medications were for their health.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, all right, all right, uh so I jumped
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: ahead a bit. We're gonna talk about masculinity, and let
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: me see, this is nineteen fifteen. I'm just double checking here. Yeah,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: she tried to, like, well, talk about the nineteen fifties
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: because she This is another thing that she does, is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: she kind of front loads everything by saying, these guys
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: want to go back to the nineteen fifties, but we're
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: the fifties. Good. But like you'd have to you'd have
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to be as correct in your assumption that this is
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: what these people you're refuting want. I don't know, I
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone's ever said that, like, but whatever, whatever,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. She has to refute it that way.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: She gets to tear it down because she's an intellectual.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: A love of strong man and state power and politics
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: driven by grievance and anger. That sounds an awful lot
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: like the US.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Right right angry man who.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: You fight at least in La misz though a Friday
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: against the rich, you're literally punching down at people less.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Privileged than you.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Who the there was? It was a clip of from
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: American Psycho. She's refuting Patrick Bateman, fictional character from a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: book written by.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Some Who are these men? In reality? You're saying or
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: punching down at who? Who are they?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Apparently it's basically just like the people who voted for
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Trump in America.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they are punching down at who.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Irony, women and minorities, even though a lot of minorities
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: voted for him, but they were minority men, so that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: they're just men now? So yeah women?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but how how are they don't know?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: With their vote?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Where's the punching?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: They're gonna take away all women's rights and bring back
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the Handmaid's Tale or.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Trump in order to punch women. And you probably think
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: that because the Democrats artificially framed this around abortion rights,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: which I see haven't really changed significantly since he got
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: in office, because I'm pretty sure that wasn't his men date.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: His mandate was not to oppress women and turn them
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: into literally chattel like one hundred or so years ago.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: I don't see it happening.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that wasn't what men voted for.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: The same thing like that? I don't Was there an
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: appreciable difference between abortion rights prior to Trump taking office
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: and after, as far as I can tell, No, it's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: just it's just gone back to the states, and the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: states are making the decision, and he's basically he basically
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: didn't he just say to the conservatives yet, no, I'm
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not gonna make a federal ban on abortion. Sorry.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Then with that, well, I think so that was a
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: while ago.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just we're just sending it to the state.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: So nothing has changed. You made that this huge thing,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: and nothing has changed. I remember I talked to Natty
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: about this and she was talking about, Oh, it's gonna
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: be the Handmaiden's tale. Oh really is it? This is
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: like one hundred and twenty days in Where are the handmaidens? Right?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Yep? No.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Talking about the economy, which is an improvement as far
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, a significant improvement over all of the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: bullshit you were talking about prior so, And you really
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: think that men voted for Trump to stick it to women. Like,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to defend Trump, I just want to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: defend reality. Okay, you think that men voted for Trump
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: to stick it to women. No, I think they just
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: voted for Trump because they felt like he actually understood
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: what the word economy meant.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: You would think a billionaire would understand that. Also, I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: think that there was a lot of men that were like, Okay, look,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: we got to step up and make our voices. Like
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: they left it mostly to women to like do it.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: But then the women just went crazy. Like I said,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: women are increasingly more radicalized, especially younger women, Like they're
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: super radical now. It's not even close to where men
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: are at. So uh okay. So anyway, saying a.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Five billion loss, what, I don't know if it's an improvement,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Like honestly, oh, he's talking about the stock market.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: The stock you know, the stock market. Trump doesn't control
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: that though. People people react to that. And yes, whenever
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: there's a shake up, people freak out and things happen
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to the stock market, but that's that's because they don't
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: chill the fuck out. And wait, that's got nothing new
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: with him. So yeah, I mean, like you get people
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: to emotionally, and like, what do I care if the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: fucking guy from you know, like the these multi millionaire
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: guys and that run the stock. I don't have stock.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: I'm barely scraping by, like most people don't have stock.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: You're talking about ship that affects like a tiny percent.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I thought you guys cared about the guy, the working
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: class people, not the billionaires that like ship tons of stock.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Oh we care about them now, okay, sor right, But
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's it's it's yeah, like I'm not
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: going to uh sit again. I'm I'm I'm a filthy
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: centrist or something. I'm a filthy men's issues advocate. That's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: my only platform.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: M hm.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: This situation, we're still now talking about the economy. This
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: is what we should have been doing when we were
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: when you at least my opinion, when we're talking about
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: electing a politician, because it all comes down to that.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's like the money. That's it. Jobs, money, security,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, like border security, military security, whatever, that's it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: That's it. Women wanted to do. They wanted to make
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: it about themselves. We were done with that. So like
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: that and and The thing is, yes, they're doubling down,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: they're becoming more extreme, they're becoming more radicalized. I mean,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, except you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: hopefully they'll shake out of it and realize that, you know,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: men were doing what men did was not in their
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: own best interest so much as everybody these best interests.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: They were just doing what they felt was right. And
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of women voted for that too, So it's
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: not even really just a gender thing.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to point one other thing out,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: all right, The economy was going off a cliff, and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: I talked to Brian about this like some months before
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: the signs. The thing is that it's not even that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: the economy has been mismanaged by the government. Is that fundamentally,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: governments don't create economies, and this economy came from a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: very specific, single source about ninety years ago. What we
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: have been enjoying, you know, it has it sprang from something,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: and we no longer enjoy that thing. So we were
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: going everybody's going off a cliff regardless, and somebody like
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: somebody actually doing something probably better than doing nothing. That's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: all I can say. So I said then that Trump
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be able to recover this, but nor would
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: he make it happen. Right, guys, I don't think that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the government. I don't think the government makes economies.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, last thing on this, then we got
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: to get back to the video like we've been. The
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: government has been kicking the can down the road for
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: a long long time. Yes, there was no there was
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: no way that this guy was gonna come in and
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: completely fix it because it's where where you're trying to reverse,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: like several decades of damage. Okay, So the best we
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: can hope for is that there's a first steps towards
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: making it right, and then you just got to hope
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: that people the people make the correct choices in the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: future that we can get back on track. So this
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: is not something you can blame on the current administration
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: or even the past administration. This has been going on
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: for a long time, yeap. So that that's all you
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: can say about that you can And unfortunately it means
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be some short term suffering because you have
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to like it's like, you know, you let your room
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: get dirtier and filled with more trash and you leave
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: shit lying around and then there's mold, and then you
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: get cockroaches, and then you get rats, and eventually somebody's okay, look,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta clean this up. And yeah it's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: gonna suck, but we gotta do it. And maybe you
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: have to like replace some stuff, and maybe you have
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: to throw things out that you you know, that just
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: is like you can't salvage or whatever, and you gotta
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: get the orchand man to come in and clean it.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: But it's you can't ignore it. You just can't let
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: it just keep going. So that that's just the way
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: it is. That's just the reality. But anyway, back to
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: the video, because that's not where that's not what we're
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: here to talk about. Let me see nineteen thirty four
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: masculinity in crisis and it's men's fault. Okay, yeah, Golden
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: age of was it ever real? Right? So twenty twenty one,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: let's go here.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: I think these young men are twice as likely to
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: see Trump as a positive influence compared with the broader population.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: The broader population. Whenever, again, whenever there's an absence of
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: stating like a demographic and it's a gender demographic or
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: a section demographic, she's talking about women like she's saying
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: more men supported him than women. Yes, we know that's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: what the election shows. And then she like has this
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: exasperated like like it's the worst thing. I can't believe it.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: They just.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Worst kept out of politics because this has become let
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: me tell you, electing a president, electing a prime minister,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: that's basically electing a pit mechanic. All right, we shouldn't
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: have this level of hysteria around it, no offense. We're
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: not electing a god, We're not electing a king. We
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: are not electing Satan, right, and we're most likely not
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: electing Hitler.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: We are electing somebody who hopefully will do the least
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: amount of damage to the thing that we all arrive
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: rely on to get from A to B. That's it.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Why has it become ah, he's a fascist? Like why
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: has it become that all of this hysteria, all of
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: this judgmentalism, you know what I mean? Just this like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: this moral judgmentalism. Can he do the job is he
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: going to do to provide a better service? Like this dramatization,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: this idea that the world is going to end like this.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: This is the problem that I have with all of this.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: It is too much. It is too emotional. It's a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: funny thing saying it's just.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Way too it's emotional on purpose though, it's all it's like.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: The thing is, this isn't about I don't know how
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: many times I have to say this, this isn't actually
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: about Trump at all. It it's just about men, and
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: and it's all about like, how many men can we
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: like She She makes a reference to Rick I forget
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: his name is like Ross something Ross. He's like a podcaster,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Theo Vaughn, another podcaster, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, jd Vance. What do they all have in common?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: They're all men, They're all men, She doesn't like, do
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: they do you think they're all they all get along
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: with each other? Not likely, not likely at all. Right,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Aiden Ross, that's his name, Aiden Ross. They're they they're
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: just they're just men that are like I guess you
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: could say right of center, but I don't even think
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that matters that much because I think that ultimately they
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: are men that are in the way. That's what it is.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: They are men that are in the way of what
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: she wants and what she wants. I mean, if you
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: ask her, she probably won't be able to tell you,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: because women almost never know what they want. But it's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: definitely not these men making any like having any influence
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: or talking to each other or whatever. Like I mean,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: she basically lumps them in with Don Draper and Patrick Bateman.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: So and those characters don't even have anything in common
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: other than their men. Like, that's it. They're men, It's
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: what it is, not Bob loss.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Well, she says, well, we you know, the feminist stereotype
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: about men is bad. Men should should should take responsibility
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: for it. But your stereotype about men, you're the one
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: who thinks this about men. It's not the way men
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: actually are. But the the other thing is what I'm
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: trying to get at, is this right, She's saying, men
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: think that Trump is going to be is going to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: have a positive effect, right, Like the guys are like, yeah,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: I think that he'll have a positive effect in the
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: ten year treasury yields going and he She's like, oh
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: my god, it's fascy. It's like thinking in such incredible
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: black and white when these guys are probably probably not
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: even they're they're thinking, Okay, he's gonna have specific good
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: effects on maybe the economy, maybe not getting into more
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: forever wars, this kind of thing. It's all more on
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: a logical level, and she's taking it into this black
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: and white moral extremism. Like I don't these guys are
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: not gathering and saying, oh, are gonna stick it to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: women because they're a a bunch of evil satan. That's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: is you know, they're not doing that. They're thinking about
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: rational positive change. Whether or not they're right is irrelevant.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: It's they're not thinking about being evil. They're thinking about
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: very pragmatic, potential positive changes that they believe that Trump
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: is going to bring into the world. That doesn't mean
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: he's going to but that's what they're thinking. You get
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And she's thinking, oh, they're this is
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: horrible fascism, and it's like this kind of moral overwrought
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: black and white. It really is a female problem. Like
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: they think politics is about excluding the bad men, right,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: rather than who is going to functionally do the job
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: or do the least damage right. Who understands the word yield?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Does Harris? I don't know?
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, well again, they didn't. They didn't run anything
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: except woman, woman of color, that's what we got. You
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: accept it? What are you a bigot?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, but you know that that again that the
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: people who voted for this, they were just thinking about
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: what made sense to them and they did that and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: that was it. But again, what she doesn't like is
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: that he's a man that it's got none of the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: policy stuff matters. He's the man you're not supposed to like.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: She doesn't like him. It's again Andrew Tate, Aiden Ross,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson. Uh, you know Trump Vance,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Four years ago it was Mike Pence.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Now he's like, okay because I guess, like, because he's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: not liked by those other people, right, so it it
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: really doesn't matter. Like it's just an emotional thing. That's it.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: It's me not getting my way now.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: What Peckston writes in the book Connectomy of Fascism, the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: legitimization of violence against demonized internal enemy, brings us close
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: to the heart of fascism. For some, that fascist violence
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: was more than useful. Violence often appeals to men at
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: too young to know.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: It well, it wrote. They wrote that it appeals to men,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: so it must be it must be true.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, who which side of this argument said there are
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: no bad tactics, only bad targets. Like if you want
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: to talk about extremist violence, I think you got your
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: own to take responsibility for, not just push it on
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: the right wingers who aren't actually really that known for
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: their extremist violence, at least in the States as far
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: as I know. But it's like, yes, young men without
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: its strong sense of themselves or their self worth as
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: men are attracted to violence as a way of proving value.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: It's like, Noam Chomsky. No, not Noam Chomskyuh. Michael mccluan said,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: people without identities resort to violence. People without a sense
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: of self, like a positive sense of self worth and connection,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: not just because they're just exists, but that they can
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: build something in conjunction with participating in society. You lack that,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: you get drawn to violence. People without identities are drawn
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: to violence in order to establish worth's And it's a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: really really sad thing. But this is as much a
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: problem on the left as it is on the right.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: It's a problem of any kind of extremist rhetoric where
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: you start talking about how violence is the answer and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: how there are no bad tactics, only bad targets.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Like anyway, all right, I got a rumble RD I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: forgot to read from earlier. Nova Fan twenty one gives
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: us a dollar. Do we get any super childs We
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: haven't got any super chowds, and says feminists. Yeah, he
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: says feminists. You men have male privilege. Your benefits come
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: at our expense. Men. Never knew I had this, but
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I like it. Feminists, No, you're supposed to not want it. Yeah,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: it is. That's what.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Incidentally, that guy, the feminists we were originally responding to.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: I know that you were trolling him.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Nova.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: You were, you were cost you were role playing as
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: a feminists andronicus the stereotype.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I'm smoking cigars, beating on women. Well, I don't know,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: drive in my Bugatti on the on the Sun's trip
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: with my aviators on and a humongous mustache. Take that women, Okay, break.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Put send in those super chow's. Feed the badger, don't
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: just tip. Also, there was a comment in the special
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: chat I wanted to address, all right, which one, Uh,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: there's only one special chat, No, I.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Know, but which comment is it?
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: It was by this this individual, Mike morin.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: He was saying, why did the the story around the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: story around the tariffs changed three times? I don't care
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: you're You're not getting the overall point. A discussion on
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: the utility of tariffs is fundamentally in a different dimension
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: then calling your political opposition a fascist.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: One is about how to deal with the system in
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: a functional manner. The other is about moral black and white.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: And I actually read almost all of our sources. I
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: do it for you, guys, and I read all of
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: the stuff about the definition of fascism, and essentially all
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: it was is a bunch of people trying to justify
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: using the word against somebody they don't like.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, you guys. I honestly am utterly
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: baffled why the left supposedly hates Donald Trump so much
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: When he was okay with gay marriage in the beginning
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: of his presidency, he actually protected states making decisions on
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: abortion rights and opposed a federal ban on abortion. And
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: he's actually deported less people than Obama. And by making
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: it very public, he's also made it very possible for
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: his actions to be scrutinized in that area. So why
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: do you hate the guy? So much because the thing
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: is that I used to be pretty I guess left
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: until I realized that I in order to remain left,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: I had to start to defend corporate media, forced consumption
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: by pharma, and all kinds of other crap that I'm like,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: what is this. This is establishment crap. This is establishment
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: authoritarian boot licking. That's what this party has become. You
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: don't like the guy because he is anti establishment. I mean,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: you could have an argument that maybe he isn't, but
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's why you dislike him, Right, Okay, it
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Ultimately, it doesn't matter going around the tariffs.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: The fact that we're talking about tariffs and talking about
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: the economy is a significant step forward over talking about
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: calling our enemy the fascists or the bad word that's
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: going to shut them down. This kind of moral black
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: and white thinking. You all talk about nuance, but you.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Have none nuance for me and not for thee. All right,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: let's move up to the fragility of masculinity.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: Especially with right wing masculinity. And yet Elon Musk was
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: begging people to please buy his cars, and even Trump
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: did this whole like what was it? Qvs? Sort of
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: like hey, you should buy this car. And like you
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: saw what he was reading. It was literally just an
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: ad read for Tesla speaking of alon gender affirm and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: care for men is highly prioritized. Just look at how
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: much research has gone into erectile dysfunction in comparison to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: women's issues.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: So general affirming care is men is a men thing
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: because research is done into uh, erectile dysfunction, That's what
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: she's saying. So that's pro male. Who benefits from men
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: solving the problem of erect child dysfunction? Do women benefit
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: at all? Do families benefit? Why would why do men
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: do it? Is it just to have fun? Or is
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: it because they want to start families? Why would a man? Like? What?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: What's the significance of that?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: What is she saying that?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: There isn't a she's saying that. Let me go back
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit because she she puts up a little blurb.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: It's not in her list of sources.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: But research has gone into.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Says here, there's been This is just like a random blurb.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even know more as.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Many studies into male erectal dysfunction as pre menstrual syndrome.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Than pre menstrual syndrome. Despite less than twenty percent of
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: men suffering from D and PMS impacting ninety of women.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Have we like addressed the issue of PMS though, like,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: don't we have things for that? Yeah?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: We do, first of all. And also, I don't see
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: a source for that, And I did not see anything
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: in her sources for that.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: No, I looked through her sources and I didn't see
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: one for this.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: So this is not actually sourced. So this could be
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: complete bullshit. I don't know, because there's no freaking source.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: But even if let's say no, but even if we
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: were going to say take this as writ the implication
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: is is that this is considered gender affirming care. And so,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: first of all, that that's that's that's a separate issue
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: from the way that gender firming care has been used
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: in common parlance in the last decade or so, which
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: is specifically referred to people who want to transition from
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: one sex to the other. So what you're doing is
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: you're broadening the definition of general firming care, or at
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: least you're repurposing the definition to essentially make men privileged
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: in the in the an environment of general firming care,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: because according to you, we have spent five times as
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: many studies or there have been five times as many
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: studies into erectile dysfunction than pre menstrual syndrome. So erectildis
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: function exists women most affected.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: But here's the other thing. A lot of this erectile
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: dysfunction is for women. Yes, I know, for pharmacy, pharmaceutical profits,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: you know those things like this is the other thing
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: that really annoys me about the whatever this is, I
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: don't even want to call it. The left, the authoritarians,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: the obaoids, the people who fetishize authoritarianism. Right, they have
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: taken criticism of things like the pharmacy, like the pharmaceutical industry,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: and they've turned it into oh, we're just going to
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: we're just gonna lay this on the feet of men.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: So this is men's fault. No, this is actually a
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: result of possibly predatory pharmaceutical activity. Right, you have to
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: have five times as many studies to have viagra go
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: on a market, Okay, because they can make so much
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: money off of it. But viager itself, for example, has
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: side effects that affect men. And it's also you know
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: those ads where I don't know if you've ever actually
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: I think they might have been a c holis ad
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: where they have the women and they're dancing in the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: street and they're there.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: There's one way they have ads for ed stuff like
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: it's women, it's women, it's women's testimony. He's like, oh
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: my god, it's women.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: And then there's this one woman on a bicycle and
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: she's got her feet up in the air and she's
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: so thrilled and she dances into her house with her husband.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: That's an ad for a rectile dysfunction. Why because it's
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: for women. It's for women who want their partners to
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: function in that way. So it's for women's sexual interests.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: So this is really unfair because there's a huge and
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: again it's for women's sexual interests at the same time
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: as there are actually pretty terrible side effects for men.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: You know, women can learn they could just learn to
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: live without that that indicator of their sexual desire as
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: they get older, so to preserve their men's health. But
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: they don't want to do they Okay, m.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: I got another super a rumble rand sorry from Nova
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Fan twenty one. He says if Mike Oran was a
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: real man, he wouldn't leave the special chat. Lol. Whoa dude, whoa?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: We don't go around to defining what a real man
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: is in this channel.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: No, all right, rechtil dysfunction in comparison to women's issues.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: But when we're talking about gender affirming care, think about
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: the hair plugs or hair transplant, whatever you want to
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: call it. That Elon Muscot. More men in Hollywood have
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: had this or similar gender affirm in care to target
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: hair loss than you may think, But it's never referred
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: to as gender affirm in care, right, That's only ever
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: for dirty, nasty others, you know, trans people in other words, are.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: You are you putting the trans wars on men's feet?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Like really, I'm sorry, most of the people that I've
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: seen who are really incised over this are women.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: It's it, though, Alphin. It's men and society. That's what
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: it is. It's men and society.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to reduce my eye things, all right.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Actually see.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so so now getting hair like you know,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: like uh, trying to treat male pattern baldness is gender
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: firming care. And again again she she's brought in the
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: definition for that, but she's also again talking about like
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Hollywood celebrities, not regular guys, not regular guys that generally
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: like just kind of live with it, like, oh, I'm
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: going bald. Oh well, like that's what most men do, right,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm going bald. Oh well, right, I guess I
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: live with that. Maybe I'll just shave my head now. No,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: she's got to like, oh, look, you know these rich,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: famous men are getting gender firming care. Why do I
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: fucking care what see Correll does with his personal life.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: He wants to keep getting work, so he's gonna get
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get hair plugs or whatever.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: She's trying to make it set. But here's the other thing.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: So is all plastic surgery gender affirming care for women.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: In that? And that's the patriarchy because of beauty standards,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: even though men legitimately do not like plastic surgery on
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: women most of the time. But no, no, no, that's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: But but seriously, like, if that's gender affirming care, okay, yeah,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: you're right, And she's just gonna make that probably she probably.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Would make that argument, absolutely she would. It's beauty standards,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: unfair beauty standards. Like literally, I just watched the video
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: with Lindsay today about a woman who got a BBL.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Do you know what a BBL is?
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: A Brazilian butt lift.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: They're very yeah, Brazilian butt lift, and it it she
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: she it's really gross, okay, but she had to get
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: it removed surgically because of all of the problems she
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: was having with it. Like it was like the the
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: incisions would would apparently still really bad, like like necrotic stink,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: like something dyed in her butt cheeks, okay, And it
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: was like this whole saga of all of this ship
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: and I and and Lindsay and I were watching her
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: talk about this, and I was like, men don't want
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: this ship? Why do women think men want this? Like
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: just go to the gym and do squats.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, i'sn't actually give you butt.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: And honestly, yes, like the BBL is just a shortcut
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: for people who don't want to do the work. And
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: the truth is, men generally, i'm fairly certain, don't want
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: any of that, Like unless you're really superficial people who
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: live in LA maybe, but like most guys, no, that's.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: That's I don't know if that's really the takeaway. First
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: of all, there you know there's body types you just
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: can't get a butt like that. It's just not Yeah.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Well but then men are gonna have there.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: But the thing is that here's what you do. You'd
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: be reasonable, Yeah, you'd be reasonable about your options, like
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna have like the perfect ten gigantic booty. Fine,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: be reasonable about being not settling, but just letting go
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: of the expectations of a guy who's gonna want that,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: right mm hmm. Like this is the thing, Like somebody
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: was talking about how women become more attractive and I'm like, well,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: but at some point you just gotta be like, Okay,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: I have what I have and I'll get what I
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: get the end.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Most men are fine with that, like unless you're trying
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: to you know, like unless you're like Shannon Sharp, you
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: know who is like this fucking x NFL star millionaire
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: who's dating like women a lot younger than him. Unless
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: you're one of those guys, most men are just like, yeah,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: you know, like we're both gonna grow old, we're both
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: gonna lose our looks. It's fine, Like that's just just
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: be comfortable understand your mortality and it's a lot easier.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: But we were getting way off. I'm just saying that
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: the plastic surgery thing. Men are not into that, not
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: generally no like that. So you ladies, if somebody, if
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: somebody is telling you that men are creating those beauty centers,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: they're lying to you. They're lying to you. Okay. I
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: think sometimes women get other women to do that shit
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: to sabotage them. Honestly, yeah, I do. I think they do.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: But anyway, let's keep going.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Your care is the same as when women get breast
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: in plants. And also, I don't want anybody mocking these
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: guys for feeling worried and feeling like they had to
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: get hair plugs or had to do get rogaine or whatever.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: All of the many things which guys can do to
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: make sure that they have a full ahead of hair.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: Care is a good thing. Aren't you for gender firming
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: a care? Now you're saying you should just like yourself
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: as your well.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Why don't try trying to havercake too. She's got to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: be like not body shaming, but also shaming men somehow.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: So it's like, how do I how do I square
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: this circle? Why are these videos fifty minutes long? Because
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of acrobatics that takes place, and it's
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: very clumsy acrobatics.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: It's deep research that you oh, a lot of insight into.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: H We're just not ready. We're too low IQ for
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: I ho for the day that stereotypes about men are
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: seen as gigantic social faux pause, just like stereotypes about
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: other groups. Yeah, well, actually I don't. We could go
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: either way with that. Everybody can be stereotyped or nobody.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: All right, let's jump ahead. We're getting close to the
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: end here where this is the fragility of masculinity. I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: think it's like forty minutes right here. I guess, man
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: in the living.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Room, Hi, neighbor, but you're not gonna find me pitying
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: a guy with enough money to end world hunger, which
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: he still refused to do, even though someone provided him
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: with the plans and exactly how to do it.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Oh God, he can buy the world. He can buy
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: everyone in the world one meal.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, do you understand? Eight billion? Okay? So how much
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: is Tesla or Elon Musk worth? Like maybe thirty billion
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: or three hundred billion? I don't know, one trillion? Who knows?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Here, here's something funny that Brian needs. I wonder why
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: she doesn't ask Larry think to do that. He's worth trillions? Hmmm, Oh,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: but Larry fing is one of your billionaires or trillionaires rather,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: so we don't want to ask him. He's one of
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: the good guys. But he's also not solving world hunger
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: even though he's a trillionaire. It's like, by her logical
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Blackguard of Black Rock and Vanguard could solve this problem,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: but they're not doing it.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: The un that if they gave him a budgeted breakdown
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: of how six billion could solve end world hunger, he
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: would do it. Yeah, they gave him the budget. Yeah, no,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: that there is no budget. They gave him a bunch
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: of bullshit that wouldn't work. This is the problem. Okay,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: you dump whole bunches of food on nation and other cultures,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: you are actually suppressing their ability to develop their own
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: industries and their own businesses. It's sort of like you
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: dump a whole bunch of welfare on black communities and
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: what you end up doing is out competing their men
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: and driving black men into social poverty. This sort of
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: the same thing. And then you also have the rise
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: of warlords because when you drop gigantic bunches of resources,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: then it becomes about controlling those resources and controlling the
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: distribution of those resources rather than building them. It's an
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: absolutely retarded idea, and it's annoying to keep having it.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: It's not even childish, it's it's not even infantile. It
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: is absolutely divorced from anything resembling reality. And Brann Eclaire
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: with her ninety two thousand subscribers and all of the great,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: well not great, but like rich feminist authors that she quotes,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: like bell Hooks that also make these same arguments, rich
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: rich scholars, Yes, a lot of them getting that USAID money,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: by the way, which probably why she's really like hating
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: on Musk right now, even though he literally made a
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: car that was good for the environment, which I'm sure
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: she's supported before she realized that he also wanted to
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: do something good for everybody. That made sense. But uh,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: somebody in the chat said that Elon is worth three
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four point five billion dollars. And again,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: these people think that Elon Musk just has like that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: in his pocket, like cash, Like when you say so
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: and so is worth this much, that's not that doesn't
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: mean that's what's in his bank account.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: It's in his businesses.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what he's investing that in his businesses and
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: in his employees, you know those people that you hate
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: so much because you hate him so anyway, it's just ridiculous, and.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: With the plans and exactly how to do it. Who
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: also allegedly keeps on sneaking out women to impregnate in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: order to have what to reach legion level before the apocalypse.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Musk's messages reportedly read, will need to use surrogates. He's
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: an absent father to goodness knows how many children. At
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: this point, I don't have pity for the billionaire who
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: can literally afford every single luxury in the world is
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: insisting on making everyone else's lives incredibly hard in order
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: to serve his own ego. Like is basically what.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: Happens elon making your life hard.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: He's he's one of the bad men. All of the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: bad men are bad.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Operationalize that statement, please. I just like I again. I'm
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: going back to my reading of their their article or
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: her opinion pieces on fascism. They were trying They're trying
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: to construct a definition of fascists that is objective, but frankly,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: they're trying to construct that while having the motive of
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: simply wanting to apply it to whomever they don't like,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: and whomever they don't like for whatever reason, are people
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: who are not towing the line with this kind of
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: disturbing government deep state corporate collusion, which itself is actually
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: more of the traditional definition of fascists. So when you
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: have this kind of entrenched deep state bureaucracy that ends
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: up colluding with business to do things like force consumption
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: on people, that's actually fascism.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, to the outside of the state. Within the state, well.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: That's that's more. That's more communism, but everything in line
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: with state control. And but but really just this this
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: axis of collusion between corporatism and government, and that is
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: the closer to the actual definition of fascism. And what
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: they're doing is they're dancing around that because they want
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: to be able to use the bad word against the
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: people they don't like. But they're the fascists.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think that like I don't know
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: which cut. It's sort of a chicken or egg thing.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: So like I don't know if like attacking masculinity so
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: you can get to socialism and communism, or if it's
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: getting to socialism and communism so that you can attack
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: masculinity I'm not. I think that it's maybe the former,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: not the latter, But this is ultimately an attack. The
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: reason why we're talking about this is not because we're
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: debating the merits of fascism, of which there are none.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Of course, these people always project anyway, and that's why
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: it sounds like the thing that she's saying that we're
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: doing is the thing that she wants. But it's it's
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: ultimately because she's attacking men, and she's using proxies that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: she thinks are the best examples of the kind of
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: men she wants to attack that she's using to attack
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: other men. So it's going That's why I said, like
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, you know, Aiden Ross,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Theo Vaughn, Donald Trump, Andrew Tate, it doesn't matter. They're
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: all they're all different guys, and they're probably don't like
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: each other from one you know, they disagree on this
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: or that, but they're on the wrong side of her
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: religion basically. So anyway things.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: When trying to keep it with patriarchal standards meets with
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: hyperindividualism and cryptalism, it's not the best, brightest, kindest or
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: hardest working that rise at the top. Oh no, and
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: for a strange reflection.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: So let me this is where she talks about the
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: fragility of masculineo again, let me just go back a
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: little bit. Or she makes her case about this is
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: after this the breeding, huh, it's consensual?
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Also, none of these men are really right wing, like,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: no conservative at all?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: No, No, Most of the guys were Democrats or on
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: the left, and some of them still are in a
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: lot of ways. I don't think Elon Musk has changed that.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: Much makeup, Like, are those eyelashes gender affirming? Care?
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: Yes? Now, it's not what women do, it's patriarchal standards.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: She is also not immune to the thrall of the patriarchy.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: So I am just knows how many children at this point,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: I don't have pity for the billionaire who can literally
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: afford every single luxury in the world is insisting on
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: making everyone else's lives incredibly hard in order to serve
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: his own ego. Like Elon, is basically what happens when
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: trying to keep it with patriarchal standards meets with hyperindividualism
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: and capitalism. It's not the best, brightest, kindest or hardest
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: working that rise to the top.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: What properationalize this friend? You're just throwing out a lot
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: of insults.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: She is just you know, it's funny because she's attacking
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk for being you know, like a sperg like
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: because he is right, Like, there's like several moments where
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: she pokes fun of his awkwardness. And essentially, of course,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: because when when you do that to a man, all
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, ableism doesn't exist as a concept anymore.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: All bets are off. Sure, he's on the spectrum, he's
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: weaponized autism, he's nuclear like uranium autism. But I'm going
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: to ignore that because he's a man that I don't like.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, it's just it's all free rate.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: And that's why these things, these terms like you know, ableism, agism, racism, sexism,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm done with them. They don't exist to
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: me because nobody uses them consistently and they're not really
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: useful anyway. So because these people are going to just like, oh, well,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: you know not now, sexism, not against man. They have power,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: power and prejudice.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Right, why would people empower own so many excuses for
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: why they can be dismissed.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and for a strange reflection on today's version of
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: masculinity and consumerist culture, we can look to American Psycho himself,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: Patrick Bankman, another movie which has been horribly misinterpreted. The
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: whole thing is a same a man who is mediculous.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we know that, but we don't care. Yes,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: American Psycho is obviously a sad tire trying to take
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: the piss out of men, and yet we meaned it
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: anyway because we don't care. It's like Fight Club, We
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: don't care. We know what you're trying to do with
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: Fight Club, with American Psycho, with American History X, with
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: you know, mad Men. I don't know. There's probably other
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: movies you guys can name Joker, you know. Well, we're
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: just gonna embrace it. Okay, this is what you think
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: about us. We're gonna meme it now whatever. I mean,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: fucking uh, Starship Troopers. You know, she gets upset because
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: she thinks that we don't have media literacy like her,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: because she's you know, educated, intellectual. But the truth is,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: we think it's funny that you get so upset that
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: we deep like that we raised this up. You know
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: Ryan goslin Ken from the Barbie movie. People mean men
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: were meaning and they're like, you're not supposed to do that,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to feel a different way, and guys like, nah,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: I don't care, you know.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway, I want to hear her about how
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: he's perceived and the importance of climbing that corporate ladder
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: and earning the admiration from others men really masculinity and.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: What I said, he looks like he just got cream pied.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's again, like there was. It was very recent.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: There was a story where the writer of the original
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: book American Psycho, who I believe was a gay man,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: and he was trying to do a critique of you know,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: consumerism and capitalism and materialism in the eighties, and like
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: the whole thing was obviously the commentary he was trying
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: to make, and he was baffled by the fact that
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: so many young guys on the internet were making Patrick
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Bateman out to be a mean hero and they were
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: He was like, they don't get it. They didn't see
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: what I was doing, they didn't understand my vision. And
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, no, we don't care, like we're gonna
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna death of the author starts here. Now we're
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: gonna do it right, And I'm like, yeah, I'm with
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: you on that. Let's see Paul Allen's interpretation of the movie.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: If he if he said that this is a critique
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: of materialism, that's what people have embraced.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well not but but again, who embraced it? Because
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: you're showing me the men in the movie. Also, his
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: wife or the woman he was supposed to marry, was
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: as bad, if not worse than he was. But like
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: nobody talks about that, huh.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: But he was also like he was also called out
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: his fellow men for being well, he was sensitive.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah the who quit it with the anti Semitic remarks. No,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: but he was also desiring something more. That was kind
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: of one of the central things was his struggle with
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: you know, like he didn't like that life. He wanted
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: to change that, but his fiance was fine with it.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: She was like, well, this is the wedding, we had
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: a plan like this, blah blah blah. So I mean,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: but the thing is is that we can see that
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: it's just a movie, and it's not a documentary like Adolescence.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: It's not trying to be reality, right, and if you
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: just see it as a movie, you don't let it
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: like consume you in the same way that these people
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: get consumed by it. Because if you guys noticed, it's
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: something that I've said many times, these people, feminists, progressives, whatever,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: they will reference themselves to make a point about reality.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: So they live in perpetual delusion, referencing academic work by
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: other feminists and other leftists or whatever. And also they'll
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: reference pop culture made by people like them, because Hollywood
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: is overrun with these people, and they all believe the
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: same stuff, and they all act in the in this
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's all this like incestuous cycle of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: people passing bad ideas around. And when somebody steps outside
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: of that and says, actually, no, that's all wrong, they
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: lose their minds because they think you're shattering reality. And
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: then they try to insult you and say, oh, well
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: you do obviously you you like media literacy. No, you're
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: feeding into your own bullshit endlessly. It's just an endless
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: cycle of feeding. It's like the plug that's plugged in,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: like the power strip that's plugged into itself, and you
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: think you've made something and you just and that's what
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: she's doing. That's why she has to make references to
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: pop culture while also critiquing it to suit her, so
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: she comes across as slightly more intellectual than the people
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: that she's using as a reference. And that's that's where
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: it goes. That's the carousel of of the of of
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: whatever this cult is. And when I say, well, you know,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not part of that. I know what you're doing
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna take what I like from it
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: and ignore the rest, and they flip out, Oh, you
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: just don't Why don't you get what I'm doing. Why
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: aren't you absorb urbing this this propaganda? It's like, no,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: because I know what it is.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: And the other thing is that memes I don't think
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: are meant to be taken seriously.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: I think people I want you to these people that
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: why can't the they mean, they can't have you taking
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: things not seriously, like you have to take it seriously,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to cry at the end of you know,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: American Psycho, I guess, or at some point, I don't know.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious. I love that movie. I know
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: what it's trying to do, but I still like it.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: I don't care, so all right.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: Let's keep going, all right, Consumers times like it wasn't
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: the eighties like it is now has allowed a lot
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: of men to get in on this grift too. But
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: brands also know that, well we made it cut a
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: lot of money by making men feel like they need
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: to buy all of this stuff to be able to
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: be a high status man. Right, so men have become.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: These are you flipping kidding me? Now? You're basically projecting
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: women's problems onto men? Right? Which gender? Which sex? Said?
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: Having an eye and an affordable android is a is
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: an ick in men like you are projecting status they
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: seeking through purchasing consumer goods onto men. You really are,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: That's not That is not a male trade as much.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess maybe for a certain subset of men,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: but for most men, they want to make money so
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: they can afford a family and the average women and
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: have a bunch of average kids. That's it.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Yep. The average man wants an average woman so they
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: can have an average family.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so some I scraped my elbow. Oh, I know,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: I know when it happened.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit left in this is basically the
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: last cl and I wiped out playing with.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: My dog his influences, so they'd rather think of themselves
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: as leaders. But it's all still linking back to all
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: of this stuff which people can buy, you know, sponsored
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: stuff and buy my course and all of this other
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: bs because how masculinity is performed today is by wealth
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: and cloud. However, on the flip side, it is really
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: important to stop it to prove that you're real.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Oh for the love, like tell me you just do
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: not understand, like I mean, I you don't underta. It's
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: like this argument. I got into it with this person.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe I've mentioned this before, this woman who called me
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: a pick me.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: And she's which happen? Yeah? It was.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: It was a common train on on the on No, No,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: not on X. It was on your Yeah, it was
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: on the Honey Badger radio channel. And she said, I
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: hope men pick you, and I'm like, well, they sort
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: of did. I guess you guys support me? Is that
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: considered picking? I mean you also you support Honey Badger
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: ato who supported my projects. And she said, well, I
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: hope you enjoy your sperm on the brain or whatever it.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: Pickmies get from women or from men. M I just
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: looked at them, like, you know, it's not really about well, actually,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: actually what I asked was because at the very beginning
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: she was complaining about men not accepting the fact that
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: it's always women who choose, so always women who get
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: what they want from men. So men need to get
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: on the right the same page and realize their worth
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: is what women want from them. And then she ends up, well,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: whatever it is pickbies want from men. I'm like, well,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: what do you want from men? Like it's it's this
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: is how you define yourself is in terms of getting
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: what you want from men. But the but when I
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: stepped away, I was thinking about it and I said,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: she fundamentally doesn't understand it because she sees things in
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: terms of what she wants from men, and I'm looking
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: at it in terms of what I want foremen, right,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: what I want to see foremn. So she's looking at
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: it in terms of what she wants from men, and
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it what I want to see foremen,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: what I want to see happen for men. And it's like,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: this is the same thing. She doesn't understand men, Like
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: she just is talking about something that she has absolutely
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: no understanding of and it's really astounding because she's completely ignorant,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: and she's completely righteous in her ignorance. She thinks these
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: examples are men and masculinity. She thinks feminist stereotypes are
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: men in masculinity. Patrick Bateman is men in masculinity, even
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: though I don't know any man who has wears face
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: masks or like peals does face peals right, or obsesses
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: over even knows the difference between like, I don't know
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: bone white and China white. Right. Yeah, Like she thinks
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: these guys are men. Don Draper is a man like
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: that's a prototypical mess. We're not even We're beyond the step.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: Remember I said that feminists say that the average man
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: has the motives of a criminal man and the means
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: of an elite man. We're beyond that.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: Men are just these guys, these Frankenstinian constructions by Hollywood,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: like Don Draper, which a man of that era said, Yeah,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: there was no guy like that. Maybe some had some
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: of one of his flaws each, but nobody had that
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: many disastrous flaws because he's not a character. He's not
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: a man. He's somebody's snuffborn like that and that's really
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: what turned me off. I like, watch God, I'm like,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: this is not this is not a character. This is
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: a fetish being shown on film, you know, being shown through.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: But regardless, my point is she doesn't understand men. Right there,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: she just made the most ignorant, fricking statement in this
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: entire thing. Men perform masculinity, No women perform femininity. They
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: see themselves in terms of a performance. You are taking
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: your cognitive framework and you are applying it to men.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Men don't perform masculinity like an actor. They do it
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: like a builder, right, They build. That is masculinity. They
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: see themselves in terms of an external standard that they
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: live up to. They see themselves in terms of their
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: actions and their effect on the grain her world. It's
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: not a performance, it's an action. Do you see what
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Brian. And she doesn't understand. I understand that
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: because because if she like an overabundance of testosterone for
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: a woman, but she doesn't understand that at all. It's
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: beyond her comprehension that somebody could take an identity not
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: from the perception of other people, like from how other
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: people see them, but from what they do and how
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: they act in the world. And not only is this feminine,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: this is actually a type of feminine that's never grown up.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: Which are you surprised looking at her?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: All?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: So no, it's a type of feminine that never realizes
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: itself in terms of protecting and providing anything else. But
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: you're not even itself. You can't even conceive of that, right,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: It's a completely It is a feminine that hasn't even hatched.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: She is fetal feminine. She's like the fetal cells of feminine.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: And because most women at some point start to have
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: to recognize their actions, they have to have a job
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: where they have children, or they get a dog, you know,
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: like something something happens that makes them get out of
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: that and realize that it's not a performance, it's actually
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: your actions that matter. And I'm I mean, I try
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: to think about this and think, Okay, what where does
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: this make sense? This behavior? And I can think of
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: one place, one anecdote that makes this make sense. Makes
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: I was on I'm actually afraid of flying, right, And
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: I have xanax, and I have all these techniques that
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: I have to go through so that I don't freak
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: out when I go into a plane. And I sat
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: beside a woman. I think I was going back from
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: I think it was like the uh, the Canadian con
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, it's like was a men's issues conference.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: And I sat beside by myself beside a woman and
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: we talked and she was interesting. I think she's more
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: of a conservative. She had a ranch that she worked
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. And she talked about going
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: through some really serious turbulence with her kids and she
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: was absolutely terrified. But for her kids she pretended it
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: was a roller coaster ride so that they didn't get traumatized.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Because if that, you know, if mom is okay with it,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: then then it's not really that big a deal. Right now,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: that's a performance, and it's a performance that's actually for
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: to benefit someone. So maybe that's where that kind of femininity,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: that feminine performance is actually necessary, because at the end
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: of the day, she has to perform being calm, she
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: has to perform oh this is fun, even though she's
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: screaming inside, because otherwise her kids are going to be traumatized.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: So maybe there's a purpose to feminine performance. However, I
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: don't see any purpose to this, and I don't think
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: that she I don't even think she understands what I
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: just said, because at the end of the day, it's
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: a performance, but it's a performance, not she wants to
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: be seen in a certain way, but she wants to
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: be seen in a certain way to protect someone else.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: And I don't think Byrony. I think that would just
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: blow her mind, the idea that she's defining herself in
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: terms of the benefit and well being of another creature
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: that isn't her, isn't Byrony. Okay, that was a long digression.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: So it's all right. I got a super chat. I
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: think we up here, so a super child. It's a
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: super chat. Senior Sticks gave us two dollars. For some reason,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: it didn't show up in my chat, so this might
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: have been from a while back. I'm sorry, about a
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: half hour ago. And he says, there is always the
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Libertarian or Green Party. Thank you, Senior Sticks. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: well again, she would probably hate you for that, though
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: she would hate me for that because well, yeah, because
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: you're throwing your vote away. It's not in service to
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: whatever she wants. The point, it's not about who you
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: vote for unless you're voting for what she thinks she
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: should vote for. It's about the fact that you're making,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: you know, a choice without her consultation. That's really what
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: it's about. But yes, thank you for the thank you
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: for the super chat. Okay, so I think that's it really.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, she just references more movies and TV shows
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: and we've gone for over two hours, so she doesn't
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: really have any thing except men should be essentially, you know,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: deffering deference should express deference to women.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, deference to women. She doesn't understand male cognition,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: like that's why she says it's a performance. And she
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand no men taking identity from their actions. It's
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: why they don't necessarily have as much of a concern
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: over people's opinions that women do. And it's impossible not
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: to notice how much concern women have over people's opinions,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: Like that one exchange that I saw on Twitter in
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: which a woman was arguing with about how Zoomer men
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: are evil because they don't think women have an internal life,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: and I pointed out that the only person who could
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: know that is her, So she's literally saying that I can't,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't recognize my own internal life unless
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's signed off on and validated by someone else's opinion,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: which is exactly what they're saying. By the way, when
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: they say that women don't have an internal life like,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: they basically are saying everything that women are has to
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: be signed off by the opinions of others. But this
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: is not about that, Like seeing yourself in terms of
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: an action or a goal is not about seeing yourself
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: in terms as a performance for the opinions of others.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: So she doesn't understand that, she doesn't understand the worst
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: of it, and she doesn't understand how that mindset might
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: have resulted in the development of the very systems that
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: allow her to exist. So she's going to be like, oh, no, masculinity,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: it's fascist, and the only way that men cannot be
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: fascists is by becoming feminine or serving women utterly without
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: ever back talking. It's ultimately, there's no room for independence
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: in this, no room for men's in dependents. So what
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: does that mean? It means we no longer if women
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: like this are in power, and they are, we no
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: longer get to enjoy the benefits of men's mental toolkit
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: or anything that comes out of it. So kiss kiss
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: the economy behind it goodbye, Kiss the utilities, goodbye, Kiss
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: garbage collection in Birmingham, goodbye you, kiss it all everything
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: that men mostly do, kiss it all, goodbye, sayonara, and
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: we've chosen.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: Looking through my notes that I took on her. Oh,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: every single one of her sources, which they aren't by
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're just news articles. Most of them are news
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: articles from like MSNBC and shit the Guardian. Like, really,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: you get paid for this? She has like a bunch
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: of patrons that she gets like that, you get she
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: probably is taking up She's probably getting some money from
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: fucking three letter agencies even now. Yeah, I know that
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: these women get paid.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: I know that, all right, Well, regardless, it's just there's
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: a timeless essence. Okay, so this is one definition of fascist.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: Can we just say, well, there's a timeless essence that
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: can be downloaded on any period And that's what we're
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: seeing right now. It's a timeless essence fascism. What do
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: you think the debate over whether Trump is a fascist
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: has become so trenchant in the last couple of weeks
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: or month. This is one of her resources on what
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: is fascism? I mean, we could have known who he
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: is since twenty fifteen. He certainly ticks off a lot
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: of the boxes if you want. He's illiberal. He leads
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: a mass emotional movement. He's a charismatic leader in his
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: own way. His movement is very much rooted in blood
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: and soil. A really bizarre fascination with masculine supremacy and power.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: Really is there a really like is okay? I mean, check, check,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: check check. Wouldn't masculine supremacy and power involve all men
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: not just one man? This is the thing, Like the
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: strong man is strong because all the other men are weak.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: Like at a society where all men are strong doesn't
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: invite strong men, it actually invites cooperation and consensus. It's
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: like Goodafi before he was deposed by whatever American interests,
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: I think deep state interests. He said, like there's no
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: there's no secular society, Like there has to be a
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: strong man because all the tribes are at each other's throats.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: But if you have a system where all all men
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: are seen as having authority and authority through their moral excellence,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: like in Christianity, then you end up with a system
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: that is that is actually very good for cooperation. But anyway,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: all right, tearing down masculinity leads to strong men, That's
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, because it all gets like,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: why does Andrew Tate get so much attention because they're so,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: they're so. There are a lot of men who have
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: been told that masculinity is worthless. Right, there wouldn't be
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: an Andrew Tate if everybody was still pair bonding and
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: men were seen as having great deal of value to society,
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't need the guy. Okay, I anyway, so I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did look through all of her sources. I looked
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  Speaker 2: she was she was trying to I swear to god,
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  Speaker 2: she was sourcing through brute force, like she was pretending
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  Speaker 2: like she had done all this research through sheer brute force.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of this stuff didn't seem to really relate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still quite curious about. Maybe you can answer this
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  Speaker 2: what ugly laws? The ugly laws?
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  Speaker 1: Ugly laws?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she said that. Oh I guess. I guess one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that she was theorizing is that JFK
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  Speaker 2: is going to institute a bunch of laws against autism.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I think they're gonna test number one test. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I know the UK is doing a thing where they're
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: going to test children who want to transition for autism,
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  Speaker 1: because that is like, there is a correlation between children
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  Speaker 1: who want to transition and autism, and yeah, are trying
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  Speaker 1: to you know, like take steps not to like do
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  Speaker 1: something irreversible to a child, and of course people like
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  Speaker 1: this are freaking out about it.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of She has a lot of
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  Speaker 2: boobage going on here.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I don't know, Alison, I'm not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: look at that, you are.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if it did it? Can we can we
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  Speaker 2: talk about the thematic implications of.
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  Speaker 1: That of what of the boombage? Yeah, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I I I don't have an opinion. I suspect that
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  Speaker 1: there's like straight up machine guns under there, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't trust it.
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  Speaker 2: She's a fat fought.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those awesome powers fembots to kill one
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  Speaker 1: of the Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, does she not like maybe she's a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Squint.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, once again, I'm gona tell y'all, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to send us a message, go to feed the Badger
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  Speaker 2: dot com slash just the tip very best way to
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  Speaker 2: send us a tip and a message. I apologize for
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  Speaker 2: putting that thought into people's heads, and yeah, do you
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  Speaker 2: have anything any final words, Brian before we cut out.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, these people always project, and you know she's no exception.
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  Speaker 1: So like the thing that she's warning against or trying
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  Speaker 1: to warn against, is basically the thing that she wants
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  Speaker 1: to do. And it's clever in a way because she's
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  Speaker 1: using the one thing that her audience is already prime
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  Speaker 1: to fear, which is men, in order to you know,
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  Speaker 1: push the message. And again I will remind you that
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  Speaker 1: women are the ones that are becoming really, really radical,
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: and there's a pretty decent video on Coilette that talks
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: about it, but we have talked about it on here
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  Speaker 1: already and it is it is a product of the
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  Speaker 1: social environment that women, young girls especially are growing up in.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: So Brianny Claire should probably like talk to the women,
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: but of course she doesn't want to change that. She
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: wants them to be revolutionaries, violent revolutionaries even But yeah,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're seeing it, and there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: more female violence as time goes on, and we'll see
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: Feminists are not going to say anything about it, but
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  Speaker 1: we will because that's what we do. So anyway, that's
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  Speaker 1: all I gotta say about that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well then yeah, take it away.
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  Speaker 7: Activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines. They
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 7: are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking deal with,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 7: especially if you have like especially if you have like
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 7: a couple of dudes who have good memory. On top
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  Speaker 7: of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked