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What do the Navy UFO videos really mean? · Daniel and Kelly’s Extraordinary Universe

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  Speaker 1: Listen everyone. I love getting your emails. No, no, I
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  Speaker 1: really do. That's why I answer all of them, usually
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  Speaker 1: right away. But recently I've been getting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: email asking about one particular topic, and of course it's
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  Speaker 1: a topic that's near and dear to my heart and
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  Speaker 1: one that I've talked about a lot on the show
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  Speaker 1: You Guessed It. It's aliens. Those crazy videos with the
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  Speaker 1: tic Tac ship and those pilots saying these things are everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and it starts to feel like the opening scene of
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  Speaker 1: a science fiction movie on Netflix that you didn't mean
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  Speaker 1: to watch, but you can't turn off. The kind where
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  Speaker 1: the news reports weird events around the world while scientists
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  Speaker 1: are scoffing. So of course you want to know are
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  Speaker 1: today's scientists actually scoffing or are they preparing for the
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  Speaker 1: first Interstellar Physics Conference. Hi, I'm Daniel. I'm a particle
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  Speaker 1: physicist and I really really really want to believe in
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  Speaker 1: the aliens And Welcome to the podcast Daniel and Jorge
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  Speaker 1: Explain the Universe, a production of My Heart Radio in
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  Speaker 1: which we talk about all things alien, not just extraterrestrial intelligence,
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  Speaker 1: but the universe itself, which sometimes feels downright alien, with
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  Speaker 1: its weird quirks and strange neutron stars and potential alternate
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  Speaker 1: dimensions and weird emergent properties like space and time and
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  Speaker 1: general relativity and ice cream and hamsters and lava and
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  Speaker 1: all that crazy nonsense. We explain all of it to you.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the challenges of this universe is that
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  Speaker 1: it seems a little alien that we look at it
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  Speaker 1: and we don't quite understand why it is the way
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  Speaker 1: that it is. It seems different from the way that
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  Speaker 1: we expect from the fact that time isn't universal and
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  Speaker 1: velocity is purely relative to the weird randomness of quantum mechanics.
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  Speaker 1: We feel like we are living in a universe that
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  Speaker 1: we might not be able to understand. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I personally am very much looking forward to the first
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  Speaker 1: Interstellar Physics Conference where we can hear about other intelligent
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  Speaker 1: beings and their struggles to understand the universe. It's my
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  Speaker 1: fervent hope that they have different struggles, that they worry
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  Speaker 1: about different things, that there are different things in the
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  Speaker 1: universe that they struggle to understand, and things that we
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  Speaker 1: struggle with they find simple, and so maybe they can
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  Speaker 1: explain them to us. Discovering alien intelligence would be so valuable,
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  Speaker 1: not just because we could learn physics, not just because
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  Speaker 1: they might give us insights into the deepest nature of
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  Speaker 1: the universe, but because it would directly answer one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest questions in the universe. And that's, of course,
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  Speaker 1: are we alone? Is intelligent life unique to Earth or
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  Speaker 1: has it cropped up all over the galaxy. We just
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  Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that question. So people have
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  Speaker 1: been watching the skies, you know, for decades and for centuries,
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  Speaker 1: and we've all heard reports of flying saucers and easy
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  Speaker 1: things in the sky and crash laying things at roswell.
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  Speaker 1: But it's been sort of easy to dismiss because they
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  Speaker 1: come from people without a lot of credibility or telling
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  Speaker 1: tall stories. But recently there have been videos released from
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  Speaker 1: a much more credible source, not weird cranks on the
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  Speaker 1: radio at three am. We're talking about fighter jet pilots,
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  Speaker 1: people who have been through intense screening. They fly zillion
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  Speaker 1: dollar jets at supersonic speeds and they can drop death
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  Speaker 1: from eighty thousand feet, So they got to be clearheaded.
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  Speaker 1: These people have some credibility, and they've seen some weird stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and they got it on video, and they released it
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  Speaker 1: to the internet, and everybody is talking and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of those people are also emailing me to ask me,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about these videos? So on today's podcast,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be asking the question, what do the Navy UFO
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  Speaker 1: videos really mean? This thing has percolated to the highest
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  Speaker 1: levels of our culture. Even Obama said, and I quote,
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  Speaker 1: there's footage and records of objects in the skies that
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  Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain
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  Speaker 1: how they move their trajectory. They did not have an
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  Speaker 1: easily explainable pattern, and so people take it seriously, trying
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  Speaker 1: to investigate and figure out what that is. He's not scoffing,
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  Speaker 1: he's not dismissing it. He's not saying alien conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying, hey, there's stuff out there the US government
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  Speaker 1: does not understand. And the reason that it's so exciting,
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  Speaker 1: so tempting to believe that this might actually be aliens,
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  Speaker 1: is that it comes at the same time as we
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  Speaker 1: are understanding much more about the prevalence of life supporting
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  Speaker 1: planets around the galaxy. You know, only twenty five thirty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, we didn't know if there were planets around
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  Speaker 1: other stars, and so only recently have we actually known
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  Speaker 1: that there are planets all over the galaxy, and not
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  Speaker 1: just a few planets, but a lot of planets, billions
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  Speaker 1: and billions of planets, lots and lots of Earth like planets.
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  Speaker 1: We now estimate the twenty of every star in the
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  Speaker 1: galaxy see has an earth like planet. So that's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of potential places for life to start. But of
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  Speaker 1: course we take a clear eyed view on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know that just because there are lots of
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  Speaker 1: places for life to start, that life has started in
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  Speaker 1: lots of places. It could be very, very rare. It
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  Speaker 1: could be that we are the only ones, and though
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  Speaker 1: there are billions of opportunities, it's a once in many
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  Speaker 1: billions kind of thing. We also don't know if there's
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  Speaker 1: intelligent life in all those places. It could be that
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  Speaker 1: there's life all over the galaxy, but it's mostly moss
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  Speaker 1: and algae and little microves, nothing that would make a
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  Speaker 1: ship and fly all the way over here and scare
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  Speaker 1: our navy pilots. But it makes us wonder, because there
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  Speaker 1: are so many places for life to live. We wonder
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  Speaker 1: have they come to visit? Is this them coming to visit.
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  Speaker 1: But on the podcast, of course, we don't just speculate.
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  Speaker 1: We dig into it. We delve deep to try to
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  Speaker 1: find some real answers. So on today's podcast we have
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  Speaker 1: a very special guest, someone who will tell us exactly
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  Speaker 1: how to look at these videos and what they mean.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, it is my absolute pleasure to welcome
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  Speaker 1: the podcast Nick West, who is the founder of metabunk
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  Speaker 1: dot org, a forum about the debunking of conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 1: and the author of Escaping the rabbit Hole how to
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  Speaker 1: Debunk conspiracy Theories using fact, logic and respect because a
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  Speaker 1: long history and as deep expert in these questions and topics,
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  Speaker 1: and recently wrote an op ed in USA Today about
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  Speaker 1: these very videos. So Nick, thank you very much for
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  Speaker 1: joining us today and for sharing your expertise with us.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me very glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit first about your background,
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  Speaker 1: how you got into this game of debunking crazy ideas,
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  Speaker 1: What did you about it, and what is your expertise. Well,
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  Speaker 1: my deep expertise going back a long time is I'm
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  Speaker 1: a video game programmer, which may not say on sound
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  Speaker 1: like particularly relevant stuff, But what idea is a video
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  Speaker 1: game program, but was programming a couple of things. One
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  Speaker 1: is computer graphics, which is how you say a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a model of the world, a three D model
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  Speaker 1: of the world, and you create two D images, so
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  Speaker 1: you have some kind of internal representation of the world,
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  Speaker 1: and then you translate that to the screen. And the
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  Speaker 1: other thing I did is physics, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: probably not quite the physics that you have, the advanced
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  Speaker 1: physics that you talk about a lot of the time,
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  Speaker 1: but relatively simple stuff like mechanics, the laws of motion
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  Speaker 1: and velocity and acceleration and things like that, because we
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  Speaker 1: have to simulate objects within the games flying around in
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  Speaker 1: this three D world, and in my case, it was
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  Speaker 1: a skateboarding game Tony Hawks Pro Skater, and so you
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  Speaker 1: you would model things like the skater rolling up hills
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  Speaker 1: and jumping off ramps and things like that, so you're
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  Speaker 1: familiar with the basics of how to calculate things like
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  Speaker 1: acceleration and velocity and collisions and force and mass and
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  Speaker 1: things like that. In the aliens ever appear in these
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  Speaker 1: Tony Hawk skiing games, they do, actually, yes, And in
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  Speaker 1: one of the games, there's actually an area fifty one
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  Speaker 1: where we have a flying sourcer and you can actually
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  Speaker 1: this cheat codes where you can play as an alien.
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  Speaker 1: But this is all completely unrelated to my later interests,
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  Speaker 1: So you know what was What happened with how I
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  Speaker 1: got from A to B from the video games to
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  Speaker 1: debunking flying sources was after I kind of sent my
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  Speaker 1: retired from the industry. I was just working as a
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  Speaker 1: consultant for a while, and I had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: spare time, and I was doing things that I found
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  Speaker 1: personally interesting, and I was learning to fly, and I
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  Speaker 1: got interested in conspiracy theories, and in particular, this is
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  Speaker 1: one called the chem trails conspiracy theory, which is the
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  Speaker 1: idea that the government is secretly spraying trails behind planes
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  Speaker 1: to poisonous or change the weather or the climate. And
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  Speaker 1: I got really into doing stuff like tracking down the
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  Speaker 1: planes and you can actually look them up an online databasis.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of the mathematics I talked
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  Speaker 1: about in the video games coming very handy there, because
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  Speaker 1: instead of taking a three D image and turning into
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  Speaker 1: the two D, you're taking a two D image and
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  Speaker 1: turning it into three D. You've got to kind of
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  Speaker 1: interpolate and extrapolate things a bit more because you've only
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  Speaker 1: got two dimensions, but it's the same kind of video
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  Speaker 1: spatial reasoning that you use, and so I got good
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  Speaker 1: at doing that with contrails, and then that kind of
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  Speaker 1: lead naturally, there a bunch of other conspiracy theories to
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  Speaker 1: the UFO stuff, and people started sending me pictures of
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  Speaker 1: UFOs and videos of UFOs, and I started getting into
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  Speaker 1: tracking down what these things actually were, what we're being
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  Speaker 1: shown in these videos and these photos, and I just
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  Speaker 1: find it a lot of fun and it's really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And so you got interested in these conspiracy theories because
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  Speaker 1: you were worried about chem trails and contrails, or because
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  Speaker 1: you were interested in the whole phenomenon of conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in figuring things out, and so I like
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  Speaker 1: to figure out what's actually going on. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're look into something like the chemtrails conspiracy theory, it
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  Speaker 1: becomes readily apparent, fairly quickly, there's nothing to it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really think there was anything to it to
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  Speaker 1: start off with, but people make a claim of evidence
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  Speaker 1: and they say, you know, contrals shouldn't persist or something.
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  Speaker 1: You'll look it up. When you find that other contrails canvases.
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  Speaker 1: That was obviously nonsense. So I kind of enjoyed tracking
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  Speaker 1: down things like that, and I also enjoyed explaining is
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  Speaker 1: the people and it's you're not knowing, it's like an aha,
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  Speaker 1: I got your type way, But more just how do
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  Speaker 1: you get across to people what the reality is and
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  Speaker 1: if they have a misconception about something, how do you
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  Speaker 1: explain what that misconception is. So it's been a fun
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  Speaker 1: challenge for me. And I've even dabbled in talking to
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  Speaker 1: people who think the Earth is flat, which is always
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  Speaker 1: makes you interesting conversations, but it also touches upon real
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  Speaker 1: issues of geometry essentially like an optics and how you
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  Speaker 1: perceive the world, which again goes back to the video game,
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  Speaker 1: a thing of you know, you've got three D two D.
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  Speaker 1: It's just all things that have interested in me and
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  Speaker 1: I generally I'm viewed as a debunker of conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: because when I look into them, they tended not to
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  Speaker 1: hold up to scrutiny. As I'm looking into things like
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  Speaker 1: flat Earth or you know nine eleven was an inside
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  Speaker 1: job with an ano thermity. You look into things like
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  Speaker 1: that and they don't hold up, so I end up essentially,
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  Speaker 1: you know, debunking things. But that's not what I'm setting
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  Speaker 1: out to do. I'm setting out to figure out what's
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  Speaker 1: actually going on. Well, it seems to me a very
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  Speaker 1: natural extrapolation from what we do in physics all the time,
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  Speaker 1: taking a set of data and trying to use it
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  Speaker 1: to build a model of the universe that's coherent and
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  Speaker 1: consistent and that stands up to examination from multiple perspectives.
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  Speaker 1: And here you're taking, you know, a two dimensional image
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  Speaker 1: and trying to understand more deeply what's actually going on.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like a natural extension of that as well.
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  Speaker 1: And I just have to add for our listeners that
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  Speaker 1: I discovered when I was looking into your background that
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  Speaker 1: you and I have another connection, which is that this
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  Speaker 1: Camp Trails paper was actually written with a close friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine. Here you see, I Steve Davis, who was
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  Speaker 1: an established scientist. He told me that when you guys
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  Speaker 1: put out this paper, you've got a lot of how
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  Speaker 1: she'd say, popular pushback, Yeah, very much. So, like the
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  Speaker 1: paper is kind of consensus paper, essentially synthesizing consensus by
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  Speaker 1: asking scientists. And Steve did a lot more working than
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  Speaker 1: I did. I was just kind of helped formulate the
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  Speaker 1: questions and find photos and things like that. But we
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  Speaker 1: tried to reach out to as many scientists as possible,
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  Speaker 1: there were domain experts, and ask them, what do you
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  Speaker 1: think that this this photo represents secret spraying or something else?
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  Speaker 1: You know, and and you do you think these these test
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  Speaker 1: results represents something? And a lot of people thought that
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  Speaker 1: we were joking and they were the email back and say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what is this? You know what's going on
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  Speaker 1: here by you even doing this and this This is
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  Speaker 1: a common problem in addressing pseudo scientific claims is that
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  Speaker 1: genuine scientists do not want to waste time with these things.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't get people investigating the claims of kempshell
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  Speaker 1: believers or nine eleven believers, or even like UFO believers,
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  Speaker 1: and so it can creates this false illusion of balance
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  Speaker 1: or no balance in a way like that they think
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  Speaker 1: that they have all the science on their side because
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  Speaker 1: there's no rebuttals to that science. But the reason there's
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  Speaker 1: no rebuttals is that the serious scientists think that these
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  Speaker 1: claims don't even deserve addressing. But then I come in
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  Speaker 1: there and I started trying to address them. Some of
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  Speaker 1: these claims, And of course I'm just essentially a lay
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  Speaker 1: person who's good at looking of things in Google and
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  Speaker 1: good at doing three D geometry, but you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not not a scientist. So it's always been a problem
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  Speaker 1: of arguments from authority where you know, they say that
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  Speaker 1: they have science on their side, when really they don't,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't realize that. And you find that making
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  Speaker 1: these arguments carefully and clearly based on the penetrates somehow
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  Speaker 1: to these folks who believe these theories. Do you feel
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  Speaker 1: like there really are open to the evidence. It does
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  Speaker 1: people when presented with a clear explanation for something, they
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  Speaker 1: generally respond fairly well to it, but there's lots of
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  Speaker 1: factors that play into that whether it actually works or not.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a thing in science communication called the backfire
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  Speaker 1: effect where if you give people information that's contrary to
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  Speaker 1: their beliefs, sometimes it makes them believe those things even
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  Speaker 1: more because they have to. They feel like they're in
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  Speaker 1: an other serial situation and they feel like they have
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  Speaker 1: to fight back. So if you attack their beliefs, it
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  Speaker 1: strengthens their belief because it's almost like are testing their
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  Speaker 1: belief And if you don't actually break through their wall
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  Speaker 1: of disbelief in your theory, then they think that they
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  Speaker 1: have one and they believe or the test of being challenged,
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  Speaker 1: and so it ends up not working. So you have
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  Speaker 1: to do it carefully. And this is another challenge that
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  Speaker 1: I have is is how do you communicate the reality
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  Speaker 1: of the situation to people who believe the opposite without
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  Speaker 1: making them believe that opposite thing even more. And that's
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  Speaker 1: something I talk about quite a bit in my book
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  Speaker 1: How to Treat People with Respect and get through to them. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think that listeners to this podcast are sort of
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  Speaker 1: entranced by the possibility of extraterrestrial visitors and aliens in general,
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  Speaker 1: as am I of course, but also open to scientific
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  Speaker 1: explanations and eiger mostly to hear the truth to know
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  Speaker 1: what really is going on in the universe. Sometimes what
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  Speaker 1: we discovered by the universe is bonkers and hard to
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  Speaker 1: digest and can be stranger than aliens visiting. So we
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  Speaker 1: definitely need to keep our minds open to all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of crazy realities, but of course it needs to be
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  Speaker 1: supported by the science. So now let's turn to the videos.
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  Speaker 1: In questions only, if you could briefly describe to us
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  Speaker 1: what we see in these videos before we get into
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  Speaker 1: the process of how to analyze them and what we
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  Speaker 1: think they actually mean. Can you walk us through some
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  Speaker 1: of them? Sure? Those actually six videos that have been
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  Speaker 1: released over the last few years. So they kind of
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  Speaker 1: divided into two sets. The three older videos that are
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  Speaker 1: kind of seni official U. S. Navy videos, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's three more videos that were a lad more recently
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  Speaker 1: play to a filmmaker Jeremy Corbell, and he's released these.
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  Speaker 1: The first three ones are the ones that people talk
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  Speaker 1: about the most because they've been around for a while
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  Speaker 1: and that the Navy has actually said that they are official,
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  Speaker 1: and as you released official copies of them. There's three
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  Speaker 1: of them. They're called flear, go Fast, and gimball you
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  Speaker 1: these little little acronyms, which are actually the official names
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  Speaker 1: that they were given by the U. S. Navy. So
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  Speaker 1: I think these names actually have some meaning. But that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much all that the Navy tells you about them.
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  Speaker 1: So each of these videos is a black and white video.
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  Speaker 1: They were all taken with a piece of equipment called
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  Speaker 1: the raytheon Act flair pot, which is an advanced targeting
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  Speaker 1: advanced targeting forward looking infra red I wish is you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of fancy, but it's essentially it's just a big
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  Speaker 1: camera that's very good at zooming on things and tracking them.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just this targeting part essentially, the fits on
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  Speaker 1: the planes. And these are infrared videos, so not in
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  Speaker 1: the visible light. They're largely infrared. One of the videos
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  Speaker 1: has a section which is in what they call TV mode,
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  Speaker 1: which TV mode is just a regular a regular video,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't actually look that much different to the
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  Speaker 1: to the infrared. But most of the videos are just
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  Speaker 1: the infra red, so what you're looking at is heat.
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  Speaker 1: They're also a little confusing because what you see as
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  Speaker 1: heat shows up as black in these videos is in
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  Speaker 1: black hot mode most of the time in these videos,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's kind of confusing in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: feeling that you're looking at an actual object, because it
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  Speaker 1: seems like you're looking at a physical object when really
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  Speaker 1: you're essentially looking at a very bright light bright it
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  Speaker 1: would be a bright white light if you were looking
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  Speaker 1: at it, if you had infrared vision yourself, you would
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  Speaker 1: just see bright light coming from and you're not really
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  Speaker 1: seeing the shape of the object. What they show is
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: like the Flear one kind of shows what looks like
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: a distant object that kind of like bounces around a
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: little bit, and you didn't see very much as very
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: small and fuzzy. This is the one sometimes referred to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: as the tik tak. Yeah, sometimes refers to as a
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: tik tak, although the shape in the in the video
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: isn't really like a clean cut tik tak, is almost
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: more like a peanut shape. It's kind of like it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a little waste in the middle. And this was something
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that it went along with an encounter and actual eyewitness
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: encounter by pilots who actually saw something that they described
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: as a TikTok, And then later another pilot took this
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: video and said that it was, you know, the same
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: thing that people assumed it was the same thing, but
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you know, it shows something off in the distance and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: it's not really moving in the video very much. But
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the other two videos do actually show motion, which is
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a lot more impressive. There's one called Go Fast, which
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: looks like the camera is just a been looking down
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: at the ocean surface and then this object whizzes interview
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and then the camera tries to track it and follow
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: it and then eventually kind of locked on and then
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: it starts following this object and it's whizzing really really
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: fast across the ocean surface, at least that's what it
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: looks like. And then the third video, gimbal, is the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: one I think that's the most visually impressive and people
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: have often cited as being the most compelling. You have
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a video out there because it shows a flying surcer
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: is what looks like a flying source which shows a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like a top type ship, almost almost diamonds
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: shaped with a little bit rounded with like little spikes
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: at the top from the bottom and on the end,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and it looks like it's flying along over the top
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: of some clouds, and then it looks like it slows
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: down and then it does this weird rotation where it
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: kind of rotates so it's almost like standing on its end,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and then it rotates the past vertical and it seems
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to be hovering in that position about the clouds. So
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it looks really impressive. If you were looking for a
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: video of a UFO flying is also doing something amazing,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it seems like here it is almost like something you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: would put in the video game. And so to be clear,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: these three videos were sort of released together but they're
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: not necessarily connected. Like the first one, the tic TAC one,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the FLEAR one was an incident in two thousand four
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: off the coast of southern California, whereas the other two
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: were nearly ten years later, and we're taken by planes
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: operating off the east coast. Yeah, that's right. There were
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: eleven years later, I think in two thousand and fifteen.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And the first earlier video of the FLIR video taking
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and four was actually leaked in two
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, so it's actually been knocking around on
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the Internet and people have been looking at it and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: analyzing it for were well over a decade, so it's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: not like it's this new thing that has just suddenly
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: been dropped by the US military. The other two videos
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that are connected, they were actually taken by the same
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: weapon system operator on the same plane, the same pilots
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: and everything. You can tell you there's information on the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: screen that matches, and the voices the same thing. It's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: so much newer video, but you know, it's still is
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: still a few years old. But that one came out
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: in at the end of two thousands and seventeen, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: it was kind of leaked out by people who used
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to work in the Pentagon. There's a guy who you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: used to work in the Pentagon, and he says he
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: worked on this program that studied unidentified aerial phenomena, which
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: is the kind of the more politically correct term for
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the UFO is like UFO without all the baggage of
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: little green men and flying scurces, but essentially talking about
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the same thing. It's unidentified flying objects and identified areal phenomena.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So this guy, you know, he worked on this program
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: which did some study of unidentified area but not phenomena,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and he knew about these videos apparently, and then he
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: worked to get them cleared for release and it kind
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of got them out. But there's some dispute about how
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they got out of the military. It wasn't entirely happy
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: with it that they think that he misrest misrepresented what
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he was going to do with them. But you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be relevant really because they're out now and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the military has said, you know, these are real things.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: They were taken by Navy pilots and they were classified
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: as unidentified at some point. So here we are, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: when we say real things, we mean the videos are
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: videos taken by these airplanes. Now that the Navy or
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the government is saying what there are videos of the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: videos are real videos, it's what they're saying, and they
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: show something. I mean that it's not like a son
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of simulation. There's something there. There are these white dots
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: or these black dots represent actual things that were there,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that were flying. Essentially, no one's suggesting that they are fake,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: but no one's also really well that the government isn't
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: suggesting that they are alien flying sources. So those the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: first three videos, and then there were some new videos
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. Yeah, there was this one came
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: out called The Well. It doesn't really have an official
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: name because it's not really an official video. They were
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: all leaked to this filmmaker and a journalists to too
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: several people. There's a filmmaker called Jeremy corbell In a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas journalist called George Knapp, who are kind of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: like partners in crime, a crime, but you know, the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: partners in their endeavor in releasing UPHO videos, and apparently
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they want to send them a bunch of UFO videos
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that were recorded by the U. S. Navy of by
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: people on ships. US Native personnel. And so the first
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: one is called the green Pyramid video, and it appears
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to show a flying green triangle that plays across the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: sky and it's it's flashing a little bit, and then
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: its life passed two other flying green triangles, and everyone
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was amazed at this. It was described as the most
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: incredible UFO video of all time, better than the gimbaled
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: video because it showed an actual flying pyramid and people
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: assume that's what it was because that's what it issues
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in the video. Then there was another one called the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Omahaspea video, which shows a black heat source kind of
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: this ending and then going behind the horizon. And then
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: those the Omaha Radar video, which just shows by thirty
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: seconds of a radar screen that shows some tracks on
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it and people are talking about them, and then not
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: entirely show where they are. So those are the six videos,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: which sounds like a whole bunch of evidence, a lot
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of wonderful evidence for UFOs, but when you start digging
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: into them, because the magic kind of falls away, all right,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So we will dig into them in just a moment
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and talk about what your process is for how you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: analyze these and figure out what you think is going on.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But first, let's take a quick break. All right, we're
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: back and we're talking to Mick West about what's going
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: on in these videos that the Navy has released that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: contain these strange objects that some people are claiming our
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: evidence of aliens, and other people are more skeptical. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Mick is an expert in debunking these videos and understanding
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: from a two D image what we are actually looking at. So, Mike,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I want to hear about your process for how you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: take these things apart and understand what's likely going on.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: But first I want to share with you the results
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: of a poll I gave to our listeners. I asked
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: them this morning, what is the most likely explanation for
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the Navy UFO videos? And half of them said that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it was nothing remarkable, a third said it was some
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: secret military technology, thirteen percent of them said it was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: clear evidence of aliens, and five percent claimed it was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: likely manipulated video. So that's sort of a snapshot for
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: where our listeners are in their minds, And so I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: think we'd love to hear about what your process is,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: how you analyze these videos, how you take them apart. Well,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: first of all, I think we can gond just count
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the last one that there are edited videos that being
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: confirmed to be real videos taken by Navy personnel by
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the Navy, and in my analysis of it, I haven't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: found anything at all that suggests that they are fake
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in any way. They appear to be taken by pilots
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: on planes or sailors on ships, and to represents something
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that that's actually showed up in the camera when they
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: were filming it. But how do you know that the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: video itself is authentic, Like maybe the Navy believes it,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: but how do we know that the sailors themselves. Haven't
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you modified this data? Can you see like the metadata
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: or somehow verified the authenticity of the digital You can't
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: see the metadata, But just looking at the video, there's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: nothing at all to suggest in it that it was fate.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: They look genuine to me, you know, just in the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: very self consistem. If you do the analysis and what
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: actually happened throughout the entire video, there's there's nothing that
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: suggests anything that various is going on self consistent meaning
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for example, the reflections and the angles, the texture of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the video, but it remains the same like when people
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: added things you often see things like some areas of it,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I have a different kind of noise in the background.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I would look for lighting as one of the things
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that is fate, but you know, this is an infrared video,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't. There's nothing that suggests it from an
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: infre prospective that there's anything going on or anything like
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the light comes from one part in in one point
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of the video and the other part and the other.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just nothing left out to me. It's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: difficult to test videos like this because there are almost
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: no videos to compare them against. It's a classified system,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the ALEO system, and so if you want to find
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a video to see, you know, here's a genuine APT
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: flaw video, and here is this one maybe is fake.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: These are actually the best at FLE videos that we
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: actually have available because the military does not release this
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: type of footage. There's nothing at all. There's a better
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: quality than the gimbal video or the go Fast video.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So there's a great videos from from that perspective. So
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: we should assume that the Navy has done some internal
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: authentication to verify that they're not being duped by their
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: own sailors, that they understand these systems better than we
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: obviously do. So we have to just take their word
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: for it that the US government is not purposely putting
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: out things they know to be false and move on
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: from there. I think definitely with the first three videos
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: because they are Navy pilots and they would have had
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to have faced it in the cockpit essentially, because these
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: things get recorded on tape that is installed on the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: system in digital form, and there such a chain of
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: custody essentially, so you know, the pilot would not have
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: faced in the cockpit. The other ones, the triangle video,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, it is possible that the guy was just
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: messing around. When you look in the actual explanation making,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: we can kind of get into what's actually going on,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: but he could have actually have created this effect himself
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: or herself. And then this the sphere of video and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the radar video, they have the sounds of multiple people
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: acting as if they are in a c i c.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Combat information center like the room and the ship where
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: they have all these screens and they look at incoming
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: threats on the radar and whatnot, and it all sounds
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: very genuine. So if that was faked, they would have
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: had to get a bunch of guys to stage this
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: whole thing, and I think the military probably would have
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: explained what was going on by this point if if
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: he was faked to that degree. So you know, I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: think we can we can take it as read that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: these are genuine Navy videos, all right, And then we're
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: looking at the videos, we're interested with what could explain
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: this would how could this possibly be something earth bound
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: or prosaic? So how do you analyze it? How do
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you take it apart? Well? Yeah, what when I look
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: at in these videos is, first of all, I look
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: at what other people have claimed about them, because that's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the most important thing where to start off with is
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: if a claim is made about a video, you can
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: see does this claim actually hold up? Because these are
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: other people who say they've done analysis of the video.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm first of all checking their analysis to see
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: if it got holds up, because it's kind of pointless
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: meeting a completely different set of analysis and coming to
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a different conclusion if I don't look at their analysis.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: So in the first video, the FLEAAR video, the claim
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is made that the object on screen moves in such
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a rapid way that it's it's experiencing g forces much
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: higher than a human powered craft could do. Human power,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: human pilotive craft could actually do it just doing like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: fifty g s or something like that. So some quite
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: high number, much higher numbers have been speculated to the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts, up to several thousand g's, but that's kind
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of all different kettle of fish here. By fifty gs,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you mean the acceleration. You think changes in velocity. To
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: change the position on screen would require a certain velocity,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and you've got to get an eid velocity with an
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: attraction of the second, which means you have to have
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: very rapid acceleration, which means obviously very high forces upon
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the occupants of the craft or the craft itself, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: some very powerful means of propulsion, which you can really
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: only do with without technology if you have some kind
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of powerful rocket attached to the object, or if it
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: was a very small object and you had like minigiat
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: engines or something like that. But so, you know, I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: started to look at that, and I think, you do
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the mass if it is moving, then yes, it is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: actually experiencing these these high accelerations. But then I started
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: going through the video and I'm looking at all the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: indicators on the screen, and it tells you what mode
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is in and what zoom level it's in, whether it's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: in TV mode or infrared mode. And yeah, I noticed
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that whenever it did this this movement on screen, it
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: was actually switching which camera it was using, So it
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: would be switching between say TV mode and infrared mode,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and then the object would do a little movement. If
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it's for between wide angle and narrow angle, it would
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: do a little movement. The camera has to do these
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the gimbal rock corrections occasionally where it traverses the forward direction,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it has to rotate the camera around, and when it
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: does that, it also does this little movement. And then
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: right at the end of the video you get the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: same type of saying. The camera mode changes, the camera
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: loses lock on the object, and then the object drifts
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: off the side the screen. So I noticed all these
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: things lined up, and then I noticed that the heading
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: on the top of the screen, which tells you which
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: where the camera is pointing relative to the plane, starts
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: off on the right. I think it's like five degrees
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: right something like that, and then it moves over to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: eight degrees left, so it's traverting like ten eleven or
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: twelve degrees over the course of the video, so essentially
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it's tracking left. And I noticed that every time the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: camera lost lock because it did a little camera movement,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the object moved to the left as if what had happened,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: which is the camera has stopped tracking. And so I
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: did the math on this, looked at the angular speed
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of this the camera, and then based on the field
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of view of the camera itself, figured out how long
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it took the object to leave the screen and take
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it out his angular speed. But it's traversing like the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: half a degree, which is just that that half of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the camera that gives you another angular speed, and these
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: two angular speeds matched. So what seemed to be happening
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: was the camera is tracking this object. It occasionally loses
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: LCK and regains it, and then at the end it
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: loses luck and doesn't regain it, so it stops tracking it,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and so the object just continues moving. So it didn't
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: appear to be doing anything that had amazing g forces.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: In fact, it wasn't accelerating at all. There was there
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: was almost no perceptible acceleration from this object. So what
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here is an image on the screen
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: from a camera in motion taking a video of something
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: else in motion. And what you're saying is that to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: understand the motion of the object itself, you also have
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to understand the motion of the camera because the image
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: is relative to the camera, and so if it's drifting
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: on the screen, you don't know necessarily if that's the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: camera turning or if that's the motion of the actual exactly.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Like if you imagine you you've got some binoculars and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you're looking at the plane up in the sky, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: far distant plane, and you're just tracking it by following
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: this this thing, but you occasionally it goes behind the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: three or something that you have to move a position.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: You'll see the plane will just all around in your
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: field of view. And then if at some point you
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: simply stop tracking it and you hold the binoculars in
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that position, that the plane will appear to continue going.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And I think essentially is what we're seeing here, and
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that's what matches all of the on screen display. You know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the user interface on the screen displays all these these angles,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and the camera modes. It all basically lines up with
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this explanation I see. So you're not just speculating, you're
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: not just finding some alternative explanation that the camera motion
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is causing this apparent motion of the object. You're actually
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: seeing confirmation on the screen itself that reads out what
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the camera is doing, that tells you that everything that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the object appears to be moving is in fact just
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: due to the motion of the camera exactly. Yes, every
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: every time the object appears to move, it is in
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: sync with some kind of change of the camera. Either
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the camera is to it's gimble correction, or it's changing
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: mode from one mode to another, or it's changing zoom level,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: so it's changing the optical pathway within the camera. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you actually kind of see this at one point in
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the video. The object appears to zoom off really really
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: quickly to the bottom left corner in an incredibly high
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: rate of speed, where hundreds hundreds of gees of acceleration
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to get to that speed internally almost instantly. But you
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: can see that coincides exactly with a switch in the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: optical pathway from the narrow field of view to the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: wild white field of view. And it's exactly the same
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: type of thing that happens. If you say you've got
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a microscope, you're looking down the microscope, and you it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: got these different lenses down the bottom. If you rotate
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the magnification the objective down below, you will see the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: image shift and move, and that's what we're seeing in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: this video. At the act same time, this object does
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: this like movement off to the side. You see that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they're switching from one optical field of view to another.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So they're changing the duty internally with mirrors. It's not
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: actually lenses, because they use mirrors for infrared cams to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: reduce the absorbs of the light. It's it's a lot
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: more effective use knows, But so they're rotating these mirrors,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: this set of mirrors in and then what happens in
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the next few frames is it magically appears right back
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: in the middle. So it's obviously never moved though it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was there, but the movement of the camera made him
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: move off to the site, exactly the same as you
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: know when you rotating microscope, everything moves off to the side,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and then bang, it appears back in the middle again,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: but in a different magnification. So if you're just looking
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: at the camera footage, you might be confused at first,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: but if you were there in real time, your brain
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: is pretty good at sort of subtracting your motion from
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: your model of what's going on, Like if you're following
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: something with binoculars, you know if you've tweaked the binoculars
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: or not. Weren't there also eyewitness accounts of these objects.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Weren't the Navy pilots themselves surprised at the motion they saw?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: How do we account for that? Well, the thing is
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: there are eyewitness account but they're not all the same thing.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: They're not all what was seen in the video. So
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: we have some eyewitnesses who said they had an encounter
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: with a tick tak shaped objects. It was like a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: fort long tic tac that kind of mirrored their motions
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and moved around and then flew off very rapidly. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: then an hour later another plane went out and took
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: this video, So we don't know if it's the same thing.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: So it could be that you could be the same thing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But in the video we can tell that nothing amazing
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: is going on in terms of certain movements and high accelerations.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But we do have this eye when it's account from
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: an hour earlier of possibly a different object, possibly to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: say a lot Joe that was just moving rapidly this time.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know what that was. Have
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a few ideas that hypotheses that might work to do
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: with parallax and things like that, but I don't think
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing as in the video. And unfortunately
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: no shade against navy pilots, but I witness accounts are
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: famously unreliable. It really can't be probed in any detail.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So we really just have to look at the evidence
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: we have in front of us. Indeed, and in Navy
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: pilots are very highly trained and they're very good at
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: identifying other planes, highly trained and doing that and you know,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: plane from different angles and things. But what we're asking
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: them to do here he identified something that is world
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: remained unidentified even after they saw it, so that they
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: never actually identified it. They saw what looks like a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: tic tac shaped object, like a giant propane tank. They
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: gave that description, and maybe that's just what it looked like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe that was what it was, but then
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the movement. Is that what actually happened or is that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: just how they perceived the movement because it was a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: type of thing that they were not so familiar with.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: If you don't know how big something is you do
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: know how far away is it? They said it was
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: forty ft long, But how did they actually figure that out?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: They never actually explained that. And they said that they're
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: very familiar with looking at hounted which is a type
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of plane theft like the f A A team, which
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: is forty ft long. And he said it was about
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the same size as that. But that's to me, sounds
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: like he's used to seeing things that are forty ft long,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and so he just automatically fit this object, which may
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: have been ten ft long or twenty ft long or
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: eight long into that mold because he didn't know how
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: big it was. He then don't know how far away
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it is. If you think something is forty ft long
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and it's actually twenty ft long, then the actual distance
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: is half what it actually appears to be. So he's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: thinking something flying really fast over there, it could have
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: been flying really slow much closer to him. So that's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the clear video. Then let's go through the other ones
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to go fast in the gimbal videos. Okay, so the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: go Fast video, actually it looks like something moving very
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: fast over the surface of the ocean. But here, luckily,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: there's some very simple mathematics that we can do because
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: on screen we have three numbers, which is all we
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: need to figure out what's going on. Really, we have
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the altitude of the plane, which is twenty five thou
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: feet and it's that's in the bottom left corner. So
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: barometric altitude so it's based on the pressure is close enough,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: so it's about We have the range of the targets
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: because it actually gets a radar lock on this target,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: so it knows how far away it is. He knows
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: it's three point three nauticable miles away line of sight
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: from you to this object. And then we also have
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the plant angle, which is the angle down from horizontal
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: that the cameras, which I believe is a sauted around
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: mine twenty two twenty two degrees down, so we know
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we're at twenty five feet. We're looking down at twenty
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: two degrees at something which is three point three nautical
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: miles away. So this diagonal line down is say it's
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the high potent use of a right angled triangle. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: again what we're looking at is the center of the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: screen is some object and in the background is the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: ocean moving past it. And it appears as if it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: schimming just over the surface of the water incredibly high speeds.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: So again, like what I'm doing here is I'm looking
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: at the claims that are made. So the simple claim
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is that you know, it is scheming over the service
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of the ocean at really high speed. So I'm saying,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: is it actually doing that? And if we can use
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: these numbers to figure that out, then that will prove
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: or just prove that particular hypothesis. So you know, we've
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: got these three numbers, you know, the range, the altitude,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and the slant angle. We can do very very simple mathematics.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: We are right tangle triangle and this we have an angle,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and we have the length of the hypoten news, which
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: just takes the sign of the angle and multiplied by
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the hypoten news and it gives you the opposite leg
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of that triangle, which is the heights below where you are.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: This is just high school mathematics. It's tenth grade mathematics.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: If you take tenth grade triggonometry, that you would you
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: would learn exactly how to solve this very very simple problem.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You can draw a diagram super simple. Turns out it's
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: not actually low The object is not low down at
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. It's actually halfway between where
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the plane is and the ocean, which means that if
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: it's halfway between you and the ocean, then if, for example,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't moving at all, what we would see on
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: screen would still look exactly the same as we see
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in this video. It would look like it's moving very
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: rapidly over the ocean. Because the plane that we're taking
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the video from, one of the other numbers we see
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: on screen is that it starts out with a camera
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: fifty degrees to the left. So it's kind of like
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you're going along in a car and a faster or
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a train, and you're looking out the side window of
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: this train and you see something like a building in
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a field far away, and then the mountains behind it.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: If you just focus on that building, it will look
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like it's kind of skimming past these mountains. The mountains
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: will pay to move behind it if you look on
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: onto that. If you look onto the mountains behind it,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it will look like the house is moving past. It's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it's the parallax effect, and when one thing appears to
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: move relative to another because of a change in the position,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: all of the viewpoint. So you're able to look at
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this video and measure the distance between the planes taking
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the video and the object and show that it's much
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: closer to the plane than it is to the surface
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: of the ocean, that the claim that it's right above
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the surface is just an illusion. And then it's actually
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: much much higher above the surface of the ocean. It's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: not really closer to the plane than the surface of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the ocean is actually halfway. It's actually almost exactly in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the middle, which is like the ideal position really for
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: this this parallax alluvision to happen if it wasn't moving,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: which it is actually moving, But imagine if it wasn't moving,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: and you draw a line from your plane through this object.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: You know, she's hovering in space down to the surface
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of the ocean, and you think, you know, you move
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: your plane at two thirds the speed of sound in
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: one direction. The other end of that line, that line
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of sight is going to move in the opposite direction
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: at two the speed of sound. So if you think
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that the object itself is down by the surface of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the ocean, it would look like it's moving over the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: ocean at the same speed as your plane, except in
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the opposite direction, so you get this weird delusion. But
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: besides this, the simple observation that it's in the middle
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and that it doesn't necessarily need to be moving. We
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: can then actually go in and calculate how fast it
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: is moving because we know time comes into it is
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that's a factor here. So we have like thirty seconds
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of the video where we have a lock on this object.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: We have a range, and we have a slant angle,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and we have a bearing angle relative to the plane,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and we also have the tailt angle of the plane's wings.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's getting a little bit more complicated.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Now we have more variables, but we can say the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: kilt angle of the plane's wings, and we can use
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: just standard calculators to figure out what the rate of
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: turn would be in degrees for second, so we know
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the plane is just turning to the left and amount.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: We also know how fast the plane is going because
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we have that number on screen. Although the number there
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: is the calibrated despeed, not the true air speed. You
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: have to convert them solves. It's a little bit more complicated,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and even though this is one of the simpler videos,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: things get complicated. So we know the angle and the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: range at the starts, and we know the angle and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the range at the end. So if we draw a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: little back to diagram with a plane in one position
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: at the start of this segment, and then the plane
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: where it ends up at the end of this segment,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: which kind of forward in a bit to the left
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and turn a bit, we can draw two lines from
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: those positions and see where the target actually is relative
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to the plane, because we know how far away it is,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and we know the angle to look at, so we
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: know where it is in plane space plane relative space.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And then you've got those two positions, you draw a
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: line between those and you measure the length of that line.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: That is, how far that object has moved in the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: absolute coordinates where the plane started. So knowing what you
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: see on the screen and knowing the position of the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: camera at all times, you can completely reconstruct sort of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the three D story of what actually happened. Yeah, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: actually created a little interactive Vetter diagram where you could
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: adjust to various parameters because there's some uncertainty. Is to
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: know exactly what's going on in terms of how fast
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: this is rotating, how fast the plane is turning to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the side, but what you can do is you can
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: just see the range of values this object might have moved,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: which gives you the range of possible velocitudes. And it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: turns around. It's something of the order of around like
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: forty or fifty knots. You know, it's like forty four
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: fifty five miles per hour, which is very very slow
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: for a flying object, and in fact it's about the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: exact same speed as the wind at that altitude. Typical
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: value for wind as high altitudes is anything from like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: thirty knots up to a hundred knot so it's it's
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: entirely consistent with something just simply sitting in the wind
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: than being blown by the wind. So just like a
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: balloon under no power at all being blown by the wind,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: exactly like a balloon. And in fact, the balloon is
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the most likely hypothesis for another factor, which you can
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: also get from the more information that's in this video.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: It's quite remarkable how much information is in there. The
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: video is in black hot mode. Is an INTREDI video again,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and it's in black hot. So if if it was
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: hot it was a jet plane, for example, you would
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: see the heat of the engine show it was black
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: but this just shows there was a white dot, which
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: means it's actually cold. It's actually colder than the ocean.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: You can see it's actually colder than the surface of
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the ocean, which appears darker behind it. And that would
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: be really weird if it actually was moving very fast,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: because you'd see no emission. But since it's not moving quickly,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it makes sense that it's not emitting any heat exactly exactly,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and that's one of the claims that has been made.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: This was an extraordinary craft, you know, simply a you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a jet flying very fast. It's not amazing. But the
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: reason there was claimed to be extraordinary was that it
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: was cold. They had no visible flights evises or anything
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like that. He just appears as this dot. That's that's cold.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, a dot lit is cold. Drifting at
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: wind speed is just a balloon because it would take
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: on the temperature of the air around it and just
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: be moving at the same speed as the wind. So again,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: once you you dig into it, everything fits this new
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: hypothesis of it being a balloon, which kind of the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: thought arises naturally, what moves out wind speed in the air,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: And there's anybody you know, this either a plane pretending
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to be a balloon or it is a balloon, so
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: it fits. And obviously it disproves the earlier hypothesis that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: is some incredible craft moving without means of propulsion. Well,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I always wonder what happens to the balloons that are
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: released at like gender revealed parties, and maybe some of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: them end up as you know, claimed aliens and my
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: navy pilots will never know. All right, So that's the
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: flear Tic Tac video as well as the go Fast video.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: What about the gimbal one? The one you said is
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: claimed to be the most dramatic, lying slaster video we've
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: ever seen. It is if you don't know what's going on,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: But once you do know what's going I said, it's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: still kind of interesting. Again, like you do. The what's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: my process here is to look at the claims that
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: are made about this video. One of the claims dates
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: back to when it was originally leaked by the New
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: York Times in two thousands and seventeen. The title of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the article was called Glowing Auras and Black Money, And
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the reason they called it Blowing Auras and Black Money
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: was that what you see on the screen is this
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: black source of shaped object, but then around it there's
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a white aura like kind of a white glow around it,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: which looks very unusual. But then when you know that
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: this interred video where black is heart, that implies what
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you're seeing around the object is cold, So you're seeing
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: what is it? What could it be? Is it like
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: a hot object with cold air around it? And it
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: seems like something that's physically impossible, and in fact, if
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it was cold, you wouldn't actually see it because air
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: essentially is transparent to the infrared, so it takes a
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: loss of heat to actually see heat coming off of gases,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: so you wouldn't actually see it if it was just
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: cold there. So people hypothesized about it being some kind
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: of space warp or something like that, some kind of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: us walk in the nature of space time around this object,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and that's what it means. The propulsion is being suggested
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: by this strange aura. So what I did there is
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I went to look for other thermal camera footage. Now
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: we don't have this particular camera that the actual camera,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: but we do have lots of footage from thermal cameras,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: just like things like surveillance cameras and people doing experiments
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: with little film and cameras. I have a little thermal
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: camera myself somewhere in my desk, and you can you
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: can do this experiment. And what I found was that
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: this type of glowing aura around a black hot shape
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: is actually remarkably common. I found it in numerous other videos.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I found it around the exhaust of jet plane to
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: either be a black with a white aura around it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I found it around a dancing girl. Someone took an
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: inter picture of a small girl who was dancing and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: she appeared as black and she had this white aura
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: around it. And it turns out that this aura is
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a common artifact of thermal cameras. I thought you were
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: going to say that this dancing girl was probably an alien. Well,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and that's the possibility, of course, but you know, low
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: down on the list, so you know, I find out
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: that this lowing aura, I mean, the first claim that
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: they made about the video didn't actually hold up, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't actually evidence of anything at all. It
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: was just a normal expected artifact of the camera. When
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you say artifact, you mean that we're not seeing something
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that's actually there. We're seeing sort of like something that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: happens to the screen as the data is taken. Yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: it's a sharpening artifact, and the reason it appears is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that to increase the visual contrast of objects, that use
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: a thing called an unsharped mask, which is an old
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: photography technique, is actually a physical photography technique where you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: kind of you take a blurred version of the image
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and then you subtract it from the image itself and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it accents the boundaries between light and dark. So it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: a very good way of increasing the contrast. But if
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: you boost it very high, which you do if you
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: want to see things very clearly and you don't really
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: care so much about image fidelity, you create these areas
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: around things and you actually you see it in iPhone photography.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: If you zoom in on the edges of things, you
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: will see a kind of a light dark boundary between
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: dark light things. So you can get these kind of issues.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Are just a few pixels if that, But that's standard,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a standard image sharpening artifact in digital photography, and so
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: this is probably done by the camera online automatically. This
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: is not like some post processing that was done in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the studio. This is just digital processing in the pipeline.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: This was done in camera essentially, and you can see
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't occur around the numbers on the side of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the screen, so it's just part of the video feed itself,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and it's something that they can actually switch one or
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: off in the camera because it's just a standard like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: sharpening setting. So then while we're seeing is a hot object. Yes,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: so what we're seeing is a black hot object, which
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: just means hot object. So then they claim that it
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: shows an object which is rotating, which kind of implies
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to things. I mean that one is that it implies
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: that what we're seeing is the actual shape of the object,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: this kind of source of shape thing, and that what
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: we're seeing is that object actually rotate thing. So you
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: start looking into that and you think, you know, is
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: there an alternative to it being a physical object? And
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the alternative that I came up with was that it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: could be the glare of an object. If you take
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: something like a flashlight and kind of flashlights shining at
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the camera here, it creates a big glare. You see.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I've got a small flashlight here's about the size of
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: my eyeball, and I changed at the camera and I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: got this big glare that's always the size of my head.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So you can get these big glass Now, this isn't
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: just something that occurred to me out of the blue.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: This is something that came directly from a previous case
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: that I had investigated, called the Chilean Navy UFO case,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: where there was a similar looking kind of big black blob.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: It was a bit more irregular this one, and some
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: investigation of that one by tracking down the actual radar
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: tracks at that time, and we knew all the GPS
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: coordinates and everything, so we didn't really need to make guesses.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: We figured out exactly what it was this object. It
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: turns out this big amorphous black blob was actually an airbus,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: a three FOURT, which is a four engined plane, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: each of the four engines was creating a infrared blare. Again,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it was infrared footage that was about maybe ten twenty
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: times as big as the actual engine itself, and they
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: all kind of merged together into this one big block.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So when I saw this other video, this gimble video
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of something in the infrared, almost my first thought was,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: could this be like in that old case, like in
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the Chilean Navy uf case. Could it be the glare
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: of the engine that's obscuring a distant plane, and so
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I started looking into that as a hypothesis, the kind
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: of answers you know, what's actually going on here. So
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: if you look into you know, the one aspect of it.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: This most impressive, the rotation of the object, something that
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: came out after simply just studying it over and over again.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: What I would do is I take the video into
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: a program where you could scrub rapidly through the videos
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: that you you can move the position of the playhead essentially,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: so you can go backwards and forward. So I was
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: having the object going like this, tating, and then I
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: noticed that in other parts of the screen there were
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: these are vague shapes, there were also rotating. So at
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the same time as the object rotated or appear to rotate,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: we saw other bits of light within the scene rotate.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, how could this be? I mean,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the only thing that makes any sense is that the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: camera itself is rotating, and if the camera rotates, then
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: all of the lights in the scene with rotate. Now,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: this is where it starts to get a little bit complicated,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and it's a little bit difficult to explain, and people
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: have a hard time with this. If you rotate a camera,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: then the picture of what you're looking at will also rotate.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And so but what we're looking at here, and I'm
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: saying the cameras rotating, but only this little glare in
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the middle of the screen rotating, and these these other
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: shapes are rotating. But the thing about this particular camera
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: system is that it's the way it is mounted. It's
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: mounted on a two axis gimbal, and when it moves
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: from left to right when it's trying an object, it
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: can't just smoothly do that because it's it's only a
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: mounted on two access and you get this thing called
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: gimbal lock, which people are familiar with from all different
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: like robotics has this problem where a robot can't smoothly
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: go through one particular angle, so it has to do
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: this rotation, which means that the camera rotate. The camera
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: has to rotate to get from lecture right. You don't
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: want the whole scene to rotate. The pilots watching the scene,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want the horizon has suddenly flip upside down.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: So even though the camera is rotating, the horizon stays
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: exactly a level. But so what's happening though, is that
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the camera's rotating relative to some part of the equipment.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: With that, it's within essentially that it's in this big
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: pot and it's looking at through this window. And so
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: my hypothesis there was that because it's rotating relative to
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the window, the shape of the window or what's on
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the window is creating the shape of the glare. So
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the camera rotate, rotates the horizon. It then has this
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: system to rotate everything back. But since the cameras rotated
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: relative to the horizon, the shape with the glare relative
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: to the rise and changes. You know, it is difficult
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to explain. I came up with a simple demonstration that
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I actually show this on CNN. I have this bit
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: of glass, it's a filter camera and filter, and I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: can rotate it and I can kind of point my
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: simulated a glare at the camera and if I hold
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: a bit of glass in front of it, and you
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: can see that whenever I take the bit of glass,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the glare rotates. You see that that line its diagonal.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Now to go. Sorry's so if a camera rotates, a
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: glare is relative to the orientation of the camera, the
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: shape of the glass relative to the orientation of the camera.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: That will rotate as well. Then you when you when
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: you de rotate it to get the horizon level, the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: glare appears to rotate. And it's just difficult to convey,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: as I keep saying. But the reason they keep saying
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: that is that people when they hear this explanation, they
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: think that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I can't
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: understand what you're talking about. You know, it's mental gymnastics.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: But just because something is a little difficult to convey,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong. If you take the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: time to actually look into what's actually going on here,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it does actually make sense as as the most plausible explanation.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So then did a little bit more work, a little
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: bit more digging here. I looked at the patents for
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: this camera, the Apler system, and found out that, you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: it has this this de rotation mechanism to de rotate
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: images that rotates when the camera rotates, and it actually
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: specifies in the patent that it needs to do this
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: gimble correction. It's around plus alinus three degrees or thereabouts,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: which is more or less where it's doing it. The
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: big rotation happens here when you get close to zero degrees.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: So again everything kind of aligns up with this, with
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: this other hypothesis that it is a glare, and it's
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: kind of essentially confirmed by the fact that the other
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: light patterns in the scene rotate when the glare rotates,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: it exactly the same point in time, and there really
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: isn't an alternative explanation for that other than the camera rotation.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: So what we're seeing here is a hot object with
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: an artifact giving it this aura, and then we're also
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: seeing this rotation which comes actually from the rotation of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the camera relative to some screen or some lens in
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: front of it. Yeah, exactly. But there's even more with
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: this this video like these, you know, like I said
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: that it's setive, is simple, and it's easy to look
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: at them and they go, whoa, it's amazing. That must
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: be a UFO because it looks like something that's amazing.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: But you can dig in even more to this, and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: we see again we have the numbers on the screen,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: we have the bearing of the object relative to the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: front of the plane, and it can narrows down. So
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: it starts out we're looking out of the left window
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: again at this this this object, and then we turned
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: around into a looking more straight on at it, and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you notice the motion of the object. It looks like
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: it's whizziting across the top of the cloud. But then
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: later it seems to slow down and almost stop, and
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that coincides with you the plane that's following it turn
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: around so it's facing it. So I think, again, what
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: we're seeing is parallax movement. And you can again do
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the mess. You can see where these objects might be
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: and how far away they're moving, and just it doesn't
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: actually take very much to create a solution of parallax.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: So the claim that it's flying along and stops and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: then rotates, it doesn't really hold up when you investigate it.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: It seems like something that's simply flying away from us,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: like another jet or a drone or something like that,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: or you know, perhaps an alien spaceship. But it's something
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that's flying away from us that it's hot. We are
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: looking at it from the side, and we turn around
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: to face it, and we get this illusion of parallax.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And then when the camera has to do is gimbal
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: role correction, we get this illusion that the object is rotating.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And I think that's that's what we're seeing. It doesn't
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: identify what the object actually is. That, like I said,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: it could still be an alien spaceship, but it does
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: mean all these claims that people have made about it
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: do not hold up to scrutiny. There's nothing amazing being
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: demonstrated here. It's not hovering on its end, it's not
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: got a glowing order of warping space around it, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: it's not covering, it's not stopping. It's just something that's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: basically just flying away and it's hot. So it's not
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that we can tell what it is that we can
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: say that is or is not an alien, But the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: things that have brought it to our attention it seemed
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: weird and seemed difficult to explain, are actually possible to
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: explain with much more prosaic theories. Yeah, so we have
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: unidentified object, but we don't have an unidentified amazing object.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: It's real, but it's not spectacular. Right, there's a whole
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: other acronym. All right, I want to talk about the
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: newer three videos, but first let's take another short break.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: All right, we're back and we're talking with Mick West.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: He was giving us a detailed accounting of his understanding
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: of what's going on. In these apparent UFO videos, these
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: U A P videos that were released by the Navy,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about is potentially credible
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: evidence for visiting extraterrestrials. And Nick is talking to us
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: about how he analyzed these videos and what he thinks
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: they might possibly mean. So we talked about the three
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: older videos. Tell us what you think about these more
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: recent videos, the ones that came out in two, Flying
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Triangle and the zig Zagging Submersible spear. Tell us about
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the well, the Flying Triangle one, I think is the
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: most entertaining one. It looks very impressive, like you see
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: this screen triangle. Night What we're looking at here is
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: night vision, which is different to infrared. Most of the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: other videos are are infrared cameras. This is a night
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: vision camera, and so what's the difference. The night vision
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: is image intensification. So it takes what you can see
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: be in very faint light and it magnifies the light.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It has this intense multipliitube. When photons come in, it
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: creates a cascade of electrons and it creates a dot
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: on the screen on the other side, So you get
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: a much more powerful signal from just essentially individual photons
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that creates an image that it's it's it's night vision
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: is commonly used by troops and they have one attached
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the helmet that I mean, they flip it down and
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: then they go out into a bill holding or whatever.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: It does need a little bit of light. Sometimes this
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: supplements it with a short wave infrared light, like a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: little intra red flashlight, which adds to the amount of
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: a visible light which is visible and infrared spectrum. But
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: it's not a thermal camera. It's not a thermal infrared camera,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: so it's a different type of thing. We're not seeing
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: heat sources. We're seeing actual lights here, so that the
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: analysis has to be very different because of that. So
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: we see a flying triangle and it's you know, it's
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: this little green thing and it moves across what looks
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like stars, but actually a lot of what you're seeing
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: on screen is not stars. The little points of light
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you see on screen, or what's called scintillation, is just
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: kind of random electrons inside the multiplieritube in the image
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: intensive fire, So we're not actually seeing a triangle moving
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: across the staffield that's that's visible in this in these
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: these things, so we see a triangle, and the first
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: thing I noticed about it was that it was flashing,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and it was flashing in a way that very closely
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: resembled the flashing lights of a plane. And I thought,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's this is an alien UFO or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: some kind of Chinese enemy drone that's trying to sell
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: the attack or whatever it's supposed to be, why does
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: they have standard navigation lights? So then I looked up
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: the rough location of where that ship was. It's the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: US sr US All and they released the log book
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: of it, or it came out with a Freedom of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Information Act request and we know where it was. And
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of off the coast between San Diego
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and Los Angeles, just going to south of Catalina Island,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: and that's right on the fly path of planes coming
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: in towards L A. X And Airport. So there was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of planes just flying over roughly at
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that time. So I thought, you know, it's flashing like
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a plane. It's in a location where planes fly overhead.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Could it be that it was a plane? And you know,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: obviously it doesn't look like a plane. It looks like
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: a triangle, like a flying triangle. And the whole triangle flashes.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: But again I kind of realized what might be going
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: on here just simply from past experience, because I've seen
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: many videos and I thought, you know, maybe it's just
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit out of focus on. What we're seeing
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: here is what's called boki, which is the shape that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a point of light takes when it's out of focus
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: if you take a picture. This is something you see
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: in portraits a lot. So take a picture of a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: person and behind them there's some lights, like like a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree or something like that, or a little point
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: lights you see in YouTube videos as well. People wantn't
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: have very lights behind them, and then they're out of
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: focus and you'll generally see around shape around them. Sometimes
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: you will see an octonal shape or a hexagonal shape.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: And what you're seeing there is the shape of the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: aperture of the lens. Like if you take a typical
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: lens like like this one here is it's just a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: regular camera lens, and you look at the interior of it,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you can see it's gonna round his shape. This one's
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: actually an octagon, and it's gonna blurry in this this video,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: but you can see the shape of that and that's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the shape of the point of light takes. But if
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: you have a lens that has a triangular aperture, then
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: when you look through that and take pictures with that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: that I'd been out of focus, then the lights will
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: show up as little triangles. So my hypothesis there was
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: that this is in fact a plane. This has just
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: a bit out of focus. The flashing is the flashing
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: lights of the plane, and it's a triangular shape because
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: of the triangular aperture of the camera that he's taking
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: this video. So then you know, I've come up with
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: this immediate hypothesism, like ten minutes to come up with this,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: because you know, just kind of recognized the type of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: things I'm looking at. I've got to try to find
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: more evidence for this. So going back to the very
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: start of the video, you see some dots in the distance,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and then originally I thought these were distant planes flying
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: towards the boat, with somebody else pointed out that these
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: actually were stars. And you can tell that the stars
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: because they match the constellation of those particular stars. This
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: one start called I think arc tourists. And then there
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: is the planet Jupiter, and Jupiter of course moves through
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: the sky is not in a fixed place. So we
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: took the actual data the incident nineteen saw what Jupiter
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: was relative to these stars, and it's an exactly that spot,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: so we know exactly what we're looking at that court
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: part of the video. Now at that part of the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: video is not zoomed in, so we can't see the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: triangular shape of these things. There's there are only a
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: few pixels. This is very very low resolution video. But
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: what we can do is we can take this position
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: of where these stars are and then kind of move
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the camera because you can see moving relative to the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: clouds that appear, and so you can track where it
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: is and then where it ends up at at the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: end of this video where you see this this flashing triangle,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and then you notice at the end of the video
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: there's two other triangles appear, one above the other, two
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: other faint triangles, and the fliers past them. And the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: people meant who made claims about this video claim that
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  Speaker 1: these are the two triangles, were two other drones or
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  Speaker 1: alien spaceships or whatever they were to other U a
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  Speaker 1: p s. But I did this this tracking of the
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  Speaker 1: position of the camera across the sky, and it turns
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  Speaker 1: out if you start with these stars over here and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: you end up over here, there's two stars right in
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  Speaker 1: that position where these two supposed you U A P
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: S actually are. So we know now that these two
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: lights are actually stars, but these two lights appear as triangles.
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  Speaker 1: The only way that can happen is if they are
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  Speaker 1: triangular booky, so that essentially it's kind of paste close
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  Speaker 1: that there's there's nothing else that could possibly be other
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  Speaker 1: than triangles created by the tremblor. But you know, you
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: didn't stop there. Of course, we keep going try to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: find more evidence that people say, well, the standard night
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: vision binocular that they're using the Army, the PDS four team,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have a triangular aperture. So I theorized that maybe
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: that the sometimes people actually change the aperture of the
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  Speaker 1: lens cap to have less light coming in. If you're
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in a situation where you've got quite a bit of light,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: you know, a fairly well liest situation, you can actually
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  Speaker 1: have too much light and you don't need it, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: you can reduce this this aperture in front and get
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: better focused. Smaller aperture is better focused. That was a
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: little bit of a long shot, but Luckily happened then,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: was that somebody on my forum Meta Bunk looked at
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  Speaker 1: his night vision min ocular they just happened to have,
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  Speaker 1: and he saw that it had a triangular aperture. So
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: he took his night vision milecular out and started filming
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: stars and planes going by, and it looked exactly the same.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was exactly the same. We had the scintillation, we
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: had the stars, we had the planes flashing, we had
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  Speaker 1: the same size, the exact same size triangle. So he
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: did that, and you made some videos and that kind
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: of explained this to people, and I think that explanation
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: is largely taken hold of other people have found the
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  Speaker 1: night vision mile oculars had these triangular apertures, and they've
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: gone out and repeat it exactly the same people who
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: were once skeptics. They were like, oh no, that couldn't
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: possibly happen, and then they were like, oh wait, let
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: me look at person, and they take the video and yeah,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it all lines up. And then, maybe most convincingly, though,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you're seeing objects in this particular video which you know
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: are point sources, these stars in Jupiter which are appearing
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: as triangle, So you know that the triangle shape in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: this video even though you don't have your hands and
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  Speaker 1: that actually monocular are artifacts, and so then and then
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  Speaker 1: you additionally reproduced this using similar equipment in other videos.
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  Speaker 1: So that seems pretty clear that it's it's not a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: strong case for a flying pyramid. And yeah, the people
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: who released this video are kind of still clinging onto
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: the possibility that he might be something something amazing. I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: think they just kind of don't want to let go
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  Speaker 1: of this this idea. And you know, there's there's a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: small amount of justification to it. If this is a
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  Speaker 1: video that is part of the UAP Task Forces investigation,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: which according to the Navy it actually is, then you've
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: got to say, why didn't the Navy figure this out?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: And to which the answer is maybe they have. Maybe
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: they have figured it out, but at the time this
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  Speaker 1: might have been something that seems to be unidentified, especially
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: to the person who took this. This thing like this,
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  Speaker 1: So this guy is he's not a vision minoculars on deck.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: He see some flashing lights overhead, Actually intact, he's not.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: He doesn't even see that. He's looking at the Jupiter
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and then it's just around for the clouds. And then
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you noticed this there's little flashing lights up there, and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: he goes, oh my god, it's triangular shapes. What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: And so he films it for a while and it disappears.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: He gets his his camera out in his filming it
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: through the night vision mile ocular and then he makes
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: the report and says, I saw a triangular shaped craft
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: flying over the ship. And initially it becomes this unidentified
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: events and they don't know what's going on. But later
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I think anybody with any technical chops who actually looks
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: at this video will figure out what it is. And
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just me. Other people came to it immediately
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: the same conclusion. Other people completely independently of me, went
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: out and took a video with the night vision mile
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: oculars with triangular apertures, and all came to the same conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, yes, the Navy would have figured out
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  Speaker 1: what it is. And perhaps they have another releasing a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: report in just a few days on their analysis of it.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what they say. But tell us quickly
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: about this last video. This zig zagging submersible sphere, the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: zig zagging submersible sphere, it doesn't zigzag again. What we're
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: seeing here is camera movement. And this is something that's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: even more apparent than the Flair video. You see a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: dark shape again, it's black his heart. So we're looking
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: at something that's hot. It could well be a glare.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Anybody probably is a glare. But it looks at the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: first leg it is zips over to the left, and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: the zips over to the right, and a zips there
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: is a left episode in the right. What's happening there
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: is there's somebody in the ship with a little joystick
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: who is moving the camera trying to get a lock
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: on this this shape, and it's getting a visual lock
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: on the shape of the camera. Just it's kind of
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: like when you do motion tracking in ABE after effects
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: or somebody say, like track this objects. All he's trying
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: to do, basically, is to get the cursor around this object.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: So he's moving at election right from right, So the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: object itself isn't moving a left and right. It's moving
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: at the constant velocity, which could be hardly moving at all,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: because we don't know what the relative speed of the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: ship is or what we're seeing on the ocean surfaces
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: that the motion of the ocean, or is that the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: motion of the waves and the wind that gives an
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: illusion of motion, so we're not seeing something very rapidly moving.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: But then it appears to kind of drop down to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: the ocean and disappear into the ocean. And people have
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: suggested that this is what they call a transmedium craft,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: like it's it flies in the air and then it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: flies in the ocean. And you know, for a start,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: like when we're looking at something that's descending increatively slowly,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: it's very slowly down to the ocean, and then it
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: kind of disappears. And if you look at what actually
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: happens when it disappears, that's really interesting. You zoom in
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: and go frame by frame. It doesn't like go behind something.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It's not like you know, it's like a round object.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Going behind something would be like you see half of
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: it when it's half behind it and it disappears. What
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: it appears to do is it appears to shrink into
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: like a little point and disappear. Now that would happen
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: if it was a glare and instead of going into
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: the ocean, it was actually just disappearing behind the horizon.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: You know, the Earth, this is a sphere. So when
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: we look out over the ocean, the horizon is kind
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: of like a very shallow hill. So something's are away
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and goes down below that, it will disappear, and it
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: will disappear by shrinking. If it's a glare, like if
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I have a glare. Again, if you shine a light
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: at the camera and moving down behind something you don't
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: see it like being cutting half, you will see it
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: actually shrink. It stays the same shape and shrinks right,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: and it shrinks, And this is exactly what we see
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: in the video. In fact, we see it disappear and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: then can pop up a little bit and then the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: spear again. So I think the most likely explanation to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: that I haven't identified it, but the explanation for this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: strange behavior is that it's disappearing behind the horizon, and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: we're seeing it being obscured by way. It's just on
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the horizon. They're going up and down, so you see
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: it disappear and then briefly appear behind a wave and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: then then disappear again. So it could be as something
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: like a distant plane or some kind of craft flying
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: away from the camera, and it could be tens of
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: miles away, maybe even a hundred miles away, and it's
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: descending because it's getting further away, and so it gets
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: closer to the horizon. And then when it gets to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: the horizon, it's not actually in the water. It's just
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: very very far away. It gets obscured by the waves,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: and then eventually it's lost from site. I don't know
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: what's actually going on, but it doesn't seem to exhibit
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: it's not zigzagging, and it's not exhibiting any apparent trans
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: medium activity. It doesn't necessarily look like an alien flying submarine.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: That's right, you know. It looks like a slow moving
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: heat source that disappears behind the horizon. All right, so
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for telling us about all of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: those videos. Let me ask you a more hypothetical question now,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: which is, can you imagine a scenario where you see
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a video that you think is consistent with, you know,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: some sort of unexplained extraterrestrial craft. What would it take
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: to convince you that what you're looking at can't be
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: explained by you know, other more prosaic theories. Well, this
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: kind too fast to that. So one is like, if
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: you see a video of something that's really amazing, you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's aliens or if it's humans, because
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: someone's could have invented some new technology. But let's say
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: you know, what would be the video evidence of something
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: that amazing and she was an amazing technology like a
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: warp drive or anti gravity or something like that. And
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I think that the evidence you need there is independently
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: measured things from two positions, essentially, so with video, like
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: having two videos taken by two different people of the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: same thing from known locations with known cameras, so you
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: can then triangulate what's going on so that you can
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: actually see it is actually making this particular sac of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: motion in three dimensions. So when you're looking at something
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: in two dimensions, you don't know if something is is
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: small or far away, and you don't know if what
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: you're seeing is some kind of optical effect in this camera.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: If you have two videos, that eliminates a lot of
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: that possible confusion and you can see it it is
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: actually moving. And if you have more video, that's even better.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: And then on top of that, if you have radar data,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: that's going to be great too as well. So you
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: know multiple readings of the same exact event, not you
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: know things that happened roughly at the same time, but
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the same exact thing doing something amazing would demonstrate it
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: that it was actually doing something amazing. And so when
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: you take one of these videos and you find another
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: explanations and it makes sense to you that doesn't require
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: invoking aliens, what do you feel. Do you feel like, ah, ha,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I cracked a puzzle. This is super fun, or do
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: you feel, oh, that's too bad. I was kind of
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: hoping this might be aliens or some combination. Well, I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: always hope it might be aliens, but I don't have
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: very high hopes, so I don't have great expectations that
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: are being aliens. If if it did turn out to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: be something amazing, it would it would be flabergasta and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: it would be totally amazing. So usually when I figured
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: something out, it's just like figure it out, no, no, no,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I solved the puzzle, because that's what it is for me.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: A lot of the time is if you're trying to
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: figure out the puzzle, so there are all these little clues,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the things I talked about in these videos.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're looking at like ten fifteen different little clues
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: in the video, and once you figure it out and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: you know you're you're beating other people to figure it out.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: That's kind of a fun thing too, because it's a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: little bit of competitiveness in it, because we're all trying
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: to solve these things. We'll trying to figure out what
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: they are, and if you managed to do it, it's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: fun little feather in your cap. Well, that's what we're
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: all trying to do in sciences and for the true
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: nature of the universe. Based on the pieces of evidence
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: we have, it's all just one big detective story. So
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: let me ask you a non scientific question, since we
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: obviously don't have evidence one way or the other, do
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you have a personal feeling for whether there are extraterrestrial
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: civilizations out there in the galaxy? Well, my personal feeling
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: is just I think, similar to most people, that the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: universe is so big that it almost seems inevitable that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: then must be some kind of life out there. I mean, sure,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: maybe we are the first life to arise in the universe,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: but I think given the size of the universe, it
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: seems fairly likely that some kind of civilization has risen.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe not very very complicated, but you know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's self replicating organisms elsewhere in the universe,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: but you know, civilization is a little bit more complicated
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: than that. But yes, I think it's out there. I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: just don't think there's any good evidence that they've come
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: visiting anytime recently. Absolutely, I agree. And something that convisits
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: me as well is that we have all these videos,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: but they are all of totally different kinds of apparent phenomena.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: If we had like nineteen different videos and they all
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: showed the same kind of ship doing the same kind
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: of trick, that might be tele convincing story, because in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: the end, what we're looking for is a coherent explanation
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: for everything. Certainly possible that extrass reels have visited and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: they're sneaking around and were occasionally capturing glimpses of them,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: But six completely different kinds of aliens, flying completely different
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: kinds of ships that can do six completely different things.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: That's a little harder to swallow. Yeah. Here we have
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: like a we have a flying take tack, We have
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: a hovering flying source of top type thing, and we
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: have a flying cold object actually other ones that are
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: all hot, and then we have a flying flashing triangle,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: and then we have a flying hot sphere that des
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: sends into the ocean, so that, yeah, why don't we
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: have two videos, even even at seferent times, to just
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: to show the exact same amazing thing. And that's too
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: bad because I personally would love if aliens came to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: visit and could help us unravel some of these secrets
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: of the universe. And I hope that if they do,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: they don't hide and then to sneak around, they just
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: you know, land on the White House lawn and start
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: to talk to us. All right, well, thank you very
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: much macke for sharing with us your experience and your
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: expertise and walking through the details of these videos. They
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: are interesting. The videos themselves are amazing, but it may
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: be that they don't show actually amazing craft. Thank you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: very much for having me love very interesting topic and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I love talking about it, all right. Thanks again, and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: thank you everybody out there who stuck with us for
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: this long and very detailed, but I think illuminating podcast
• 1:16:27
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• 1:16:30
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