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Speaker 1: Is the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Well, Angus Taylor is already taking up the fight to
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Speaker 2: the Abenezi government. Yet already the new Liberal leader is
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Speaker 2: under pressure from conservative liberals to follow through and his
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Speaker 2: talk about cracking down on the kind of people we
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Speaker 2: led into the country. Pressure on him today to say
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Speaker 2: that he really does mean it, and particularly when it
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Speaker 2: comes to immigrants from many Muslim countries, because there's been
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Speaker 2: an extraordinary league today of a secret Liberal plan drawn
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Speaker 2: up under former leader Susan Lee to restrict immigration from
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Speaker 2: thirteen countries with regions controlled by Islamist terror groups. And
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Speaker 2: in a minute I will show you exactly why the
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Speaker 2: number of Muslim imigrants we take in is a big issue,
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Speaker 2: why it's in fact a critical one. I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: something that I don't think i've heard any politician raise.
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Speaker 2: But let us start with the good news for Liberal supporters.
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Speaker 2: Start where Taylor and his new deputy Jane Hume from
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Left are comfortable fighting the government on its
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Speaker 2: appalling economic record. Now I have to say the Taylor's
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Speaker 2: offer to join the Prime minister to work out the
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Speaker 2: big savings cut this country needs, well that was just
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Speaker 2: the stunt and not a particularly clever one. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what government is going to ask the opposition for help
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Speaker 2: to govern the country and what opposition would want to
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Speaker 2: share the blame for doing so. But at least Taylor's
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Speaker 2: offer did flush out treasure Jim Charmers, who's looking increasingly
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Speaker 2: like a desperate man, has been found out. I mean
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Speaker 2: he's had all that swagger yet all that failure.
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Speaker 1: I mean, now, ah.
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Speaker 2: Today, Oh, how dare Taylor tell that great Charmers what
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Speaker 2: to do?
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor is the architect of the Liberal Party's policy
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Speaker 3: for higher taxes on workers, bigger deficits, and more debt.
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Speaker 3: After the way he failed our shadow treasurer, he should
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Speaker 3: be let absolutely nowhere near a budget.
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Speaker 2: I do think with Chairman's recordar failure, he shouldn't be
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Speaker 2: leading near the budget that there he is. Jane Hume
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Speaker 2: this morning gave Chalmers the almighty whack he deserved.
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Speaker 4: I love the fact that Jim Chalmers has spent so
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Speaker 4: much time looking at numbers that don't exist, that are
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Speaker 4: entirely irrelevant, when he could be looking at his own
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Speaker 4: How about Jim Chalmers looks at three point eight percent
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Speaker 4: increase into in inflation. How about he looks at a
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Speaker 4: three point six percent core inflation rise or a cash
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Speaker 4: rate that's now at three point eighty five percent, which
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Speaker 4: means that the average Australian's mortgage is twenty four thousand
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Speaker 4: dollars more than it was just four years ago.
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Speaker 2: If Boff baf so, the government has a fight in
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Speaker 2: a sands with these two on economics. But Angus Taylor
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Speaker 2: knows that he also has to fight Pauling Hanson's One
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Speaker 2: Nation on Australian values, especially immigration. So Taylor, at his
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Speaker 2: first press conference as leader back on Friday, pose in
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Speaker 2: front of no fewer than six Australian flags, were not
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Speaker 2: one Aboriginal one, which is a dramatic contrast of Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albanezi, who regularly poses with just one Australian
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Speaker 2: flag alongside two race flags, which are symbols really of
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Speaker 2: out increasing tribalism.
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Speaker 1: But already with this, I'm asking, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, will Taylor back up that tease with the flags
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Speaker 2: with some real action, I'd be saying, well, look, naturally,
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Speaker 2: then follow through as Prime Minister in order that only
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Speaker 2: the Australian flag be flown over Commonwealth buildings. Because slogans
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Speaker 2: are easy, actions are hard and That is the test
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Speaker 2: that some of his colleagues have set for Taylor today
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Speaker 2: with a brutal leak. Now, the issue is immigration, especially
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Speaker 2: from extremist Muslim hotspots.
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Speaker 1: Since Taylor's big.
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Speaker 2: Win over Susan Lee on Friday, he said again and
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Speaker 2: again he won't just cut immigration, but stop certain kinds
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Speaker 2: of immigrants coming here.
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Speaker 1: This is his slogan.
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Speaker 5: Clearly, the numbers have been too high and the standards
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Speaker 5: have been too low.
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Speaker 2: I've heard that a lot, you'll hear it more. But
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Speaker 2: what would Taylor actually do?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 2: We hear reports that he may cut net immigration to
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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy thousand people a year, when the
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Speaker 2: Albanese government brought in more than three hundred thousand immigrants
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Speaker 2: net in the last full year of figures. So that's
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Speaker 2: already a good start. But who who will he let in?
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Speaker 2: Or more to the point, who would Taylor keep out?
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Speaker 2: Who are these people who keep out who don't share
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Speaker 2: our values?
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Speaker 1: As he says?
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Speaker 2: And Taylor again offered a tease when he was interviewed
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Speaker 2: here on scone News yesterday by Andrew Clenel.
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Speaker 6: Since the nineteen seventies, when GoF Whitlam ended the wide
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Speaker 6: Australian policy. We've had a non discriminatory immigration policy. Are
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Speaker 6: you looking to end that? Would you like to see
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Speaker 6: less immigrants from Muslim countries?
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Speaker 5: Now? Our focus is on bringing people to this country
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Speaker 5: who believe in our values, who come here because they
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Speaker 5: know this is the greatest nation on earth. They want
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Speaker 5: to contribute and they want to be part of our
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Speaker 5: way of life. Now, if they reject our core beliefs,
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Speaker 5: if they reject our focus on democracy, the rule of law,
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Speaker 5: obeying the law, our basic freedoms, freedom of speech, freedom
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Speaker 5: of religion, if they reject those things, the door must
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Speaker 5: be shut.
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Speaker 6: Less Muslim immigrants. Is that what that means? Who's disregarding
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Speaker 6: our way of life?
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Speaker 5: Well, Andrew, we've seen a non citizen in this country
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Speaker 5: in recent times disregarding our way of life in an
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Speaker 5: extraordinary and tragic way.
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Speaker 2: So it's just the hint at the very end there
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Speaker 2: maybe Muslims, or maybe not not exactly.
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Speaker 5: That this is not about any particular race or religion.
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Speaker 2: So I'm sure you'll think I did. That didn't sound
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Speaker 2: very convincing, And this morning came a bombshell that lead
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Speaker 2: to the News, Court papers and to Sky News. Cameron
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Speaker 2: readin of an immigration policy that Susan Lee had drawn
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Speaker 2: up before she was booted out, but hadn't released. Big
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Speaker 2: mistake by her and hadn't even taken to her shadow cabinet. Now,
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Speaker 2: this draft policy recommends suspending immigration from regions controlled by
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Speaker 2: one of fifteen terrorists organizations, not necessarily whole countries, but
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Speaker 2: certainly regions. Now the policy says the proposed policy could
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Speaker 2: result in up to thirty seven regions under the control
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Speaker 2: of fifteen listed terror organizations being designated, and goes on
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Speaker 2: to list thirteen countries, all majority and countries except for
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Speaker 2: the Philippines and Cameroon, where Muslims are a significant minority,
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Speaker 2: and the others are Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Libya, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Palestine,
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Speaker 2: Somalia and Yemen. Now you might note that not mentioned
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Speaker 2: is any region in India where the Bondai gunman that
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Speaker 2: Taylor mentioned at the end of that long answer actually
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Speaker 2: came from. Now, Taylor didn't have much to do with
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Speaker 2: drawing up this draft policy to restrict immigration from those
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Speaker 2: thirteen countries. His office told SKA News he had gone
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Speaker 2: through it line by line. He hasn't approved it, So
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Speaker 2: it seems to me that he's being issued a challenge
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Speaker 2: by some in the Liberal Party, conservatives, I presume. But
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Speaker 2: is this really a fight that Taylor and his deputy
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Speaker 2: Jane Hume really want because you know, the heat would
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Speaker 2: really be intense on them. You know, your erasers that
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Speaker 2: are the Liberals, are anti Muslim and the whole lot.
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Speaker 2: And Taylor yesterday was really very eager to say he
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Speaker 2: didn't have a problem with Islam.
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Speaker 5: We have many moderate, sensible Muslims who absolutely reject what
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Speaker 5: happened at Bonda and they want to be part of
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Speaker 5: the Australian way of life.
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Speaker 2: But here is where the liberals and labor in particular,
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Speaker 2: by the way, Labor in particular, need to understand something
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Speaker 2: that is troubling to say, and so troubling that few
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Speaker 2: people there say it. Yes, the majority of Muslims in
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Speaker 2: this country are peaceful, but the difference between a moderate
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Speaker 2: Muslim and an extremist is potentially much fuzzier than Labor
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Speaker 2: or the liberals say, and it's a difference that explains
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Speaker 2: why the number of Muslims we let in does matter.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the fact that our Grand Mufti, Australi's
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Speaker 2: highest franking Muslim cleric, doctor Ibrahim Abu Muhammad, also condemns
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Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre as a crime against humanity, yet defended
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Speaker 2: even more brutal October seventh slaughter of twelve hundred Israeli Jews.
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Speaker 1: Just one week after that horror, He.
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Speaker 2: Said the Palace in his faith for their lives and
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Speaker 2: defend their land legitimately. In fact, he co signed a
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Speaker 2: fatwah last year by the International Union of Muslim Scholars
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Speaker 2: say people of Islam and all its countries Muslim countries,
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Speaker 2: not ours, had an obligation to wage jihad against the zionithentity,
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Speaker 2: Israel and all those who participate with it on the
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Speaker 2: occupied land. So he defends the slaughter of Jews there,
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Speaker 2: denounces slaughter of Jews here. What's the difference, Well, the
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Speaker 2: biggest difference is that most Muslims don't consider Australia a
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Speaker 2: Muslim country or not. Yet we are in what is
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Speaker 2: called the house of war, where Muslims do not rule
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Speaker 2: and are weak, and so come here under an implicit
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Speaker 2: covenant to obey our laws. And to underline this point
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Speaker 2: about how small and conditional is this difference between an
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Speaker 2: extremist and moderate Muslim. I'm going to win with two examples.
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Speaker 2: Two excerpts from a q and A session that was
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Speaker 2: posted by a most prominent Muslim moderate, Sheikh Shady Ursuliman,
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Speaker 2: president of the Australian National I Mum's Council, posted some
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Speaker 2: thirty years ago. It was asked by a follower, this
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Speaker 2: frightening question.
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Speaker 7: Can we take non Muslim women in the West as slaves?
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Speaker 7: Because they are sending troops to fight in Muslim countries?
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Speaker 8: Can we take non Muslim women as slaves? Now?
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Speaker 2: A Christian preacher would respond, are you crazy? No one
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Speaker 2: should enslave women ever, not in Australia, not in the
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Speaker 2: West ever. But the Qurand does not forbid it. So
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Speaker 2: this was shakeshad this answer.
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Speaker 9: When you enter this country, you enter, let's say again,
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Speaker 9: this is that hard. Let's say it's that hard, which
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Speaker 9: means that it's a state of war. But you've entered
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Speaker 9: this country under their agreement, which means you are boyed
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Speaker 9: by it, which means you're not allowed to kill anyone,
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Speaker 9: touch anyone, or harm anyone. Leave the country and then
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Speaker 9: come in as a fighter and then take them as.
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Speaker 8: A slaves and the fight by yourself, fight.
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Speaker 9: A nation of twenty million, and let us say, hey,
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Speaker 9: you get how far are you going to go?
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Speaker 8: And then this is does not make sense at all.
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Speaker 2: And to a final example, making clear that what you
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Speaker 2: would consider extremest behavior would not be considered extremists even
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Speaker 2: by moderate Muslim if the conditions were right, like if
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Speaker 2: there were more of them. Shake Shadey was asked about
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Speaker 2: jihad here fighting to impose Sharia law.
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Speaker 7: And some people even clear that we should phys clear
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Speaker 7: fight for it.
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Speaker 10: Now that there is no doubt every single Muslim must
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Speaker 10: believe in the implementation of the Charia. Every single Muslim
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Speaker 10: must believe in the implementation of the Charia. But it's
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Speaker 10: not about talking about implementing the Chadia. How are you
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Speaker 10: going to implement it?
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Speaker 8: You don't have power, you don't have strength.
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Speaker 9: Talk about then you want to implement an Austin country
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Speaker 9: when you are a state of strength and power, when
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Speaker 9: more people embrace Islam, when you have Muslim or Muslims
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Speaker 9: around you.
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Speaker 2: Numbers do matter. Numbers do matter. So what will Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor promise to do about it? Let us now see,
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Speaker 2: let us hope.
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Speaker 1: Joining me.
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal president, Michael Danby, former federal
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Speaker 2: labor politician, a chairman of the Joint Standing Committee on
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Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade. Michael Danby Angus Taylor has
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Speaker 2: been given a policy recommending a restriction on immigration from
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Speaker 2: areas in thirteen countries where Muslim extremists dominate.
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Speaker 1: Is that a good idea?
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Speaker 11: Well, it's very focused.
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Speaker 1: It's on.
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Speaker 11: Not bands on entire countries, it's bands on areas from
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Speaker 11: those countries where there is Islamist extremism. So I think
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Speaker 11: it's going to be very hard to argue against. I
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Speaker 11: think it's been floated in order to see what kind
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Speaker 11: of a reaction it would get, and I think after
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Speaker 11: BONDI it's going to be harder to argue against, particularly
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Speaker 11: when Secure Starmer is pushing the same kind of policies.
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Speaker 11: Michael Danby said this was a leak just as a
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Speaker 11: sort of trial balloon.
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Speaker 2: Is that how you see it? Why do you think
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Speaker 2: it was leaked? Michael Kroger, And do you think it's
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Speaker 2: a good idea?
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Speaker 12: I'm not sure why, but it's certainly gonna help Angus
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Speaker 12: Taylor and seventy to seventy five percent of the country
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Speaker 12: would agree with that policy. The rest, you know, you've
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Speaker 12: got the extreme left and those that you know it's
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Speaker 12: too complex for them. But overwhelmingly, what's the coalition saying
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Speaker 12: people had come from Islamic terrorist parts of the world
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Speaker 12: shouldn't be allowed into Australia. Why would that be controversial?
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Speaker 12: Andrew in the slightest. So let's just hope that policy
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Speaker 12: is approved and released imminently because we've got a by
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Speaker 12: election down here, a state by election. There's a federal
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Speaker 12: by election in New South Wales came up, as we know,
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Speaker 12: and the principal reason for one nation's rise from six
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Speaker 12: to twenty eight percent is because the average Australian out
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Speaker 12: there is seeing what's happening around the world, is seeing
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Speaker 12: what's happening in Western countries. I've heard snippets of speeches
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Speaker 12: by Marco Rubio and now understand that Western civilization is
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Speaker 12: under threat unless you stand up against this littus extremism.
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Speaker 12: And that's why it over majority of a strange would
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Speaker 12: support this policy, and let's hope ANGUS releases it sooner.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure that it was one that he
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Speaker 2: wanted to lead today because he could barely mention Muslim
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Speaker 2: Islam yesterday today is all about Islam and the day
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Speaker 2: he was giving his big economic speech. So I'm not
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure about that. That said Michael Danby
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Speaker 2: Taylor starts, so far, what do you make of it?
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Speaker 11: I'm yet to be convinced. You wish all people who
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Speaker 11: are starting off in politics, well, but I would have
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Speaker 11: gone for Hasty but you know, I'm not a liberal
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Speaker 11: and I'm not choosing who their leader is. So he
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Speaker 11: has a lot of meat to put on the bone.
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Speaker 11: And he's got a big problem with that by election
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Speaker 11: that's going to take place in Farah one nation and
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Speaker 11: the Independent is often running and with Susan lay the
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Speaker 11: incumbent not being the candidate, he could lose. And what
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Speaker 11: would happen if that's the first by election of his
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Speaker 11: leadership and he loses, it to be really a bad
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Speaker 11: sign for him.
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Speaker 12: Michael Kroger, Well, I think he started well. He's onto
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Speaker 12: the economy, tax debt, housing, and immigration, which are exactly
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Speaker 12: the topics he should be on. And to repeat and
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Speaker 12: to take Michael's point, to do better in Farah in
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Speaker 12: the by election than fifteen or twenty or twenty three
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Speaker 12: percent whatever, we're on. You're only going to do that
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Speaker 12: if you announce some policies. It can't be on good intentions.
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Speaker 12: And you know, a new leader in a new leaf
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Speaker 12: unless unless there's something out of the new leaf. So
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Speaker 12: he needs to formulize that formulate that policy, get it approved,
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Speaker 12: and get it released so people have got some meat
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Speaker 12: on the bones, you know, for you're talking about a
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Speaker 12: liberal principles. That's great, but it doesn't affect people. They
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Speaker 12: want to know exactly what the policy is. So the
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Speaker 12: city does that the better. The one other thing I'd
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Speaker 12: say about Angus is I think he's been getting some
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Speaker 12: advice because if you'll notice, since he became leader, his
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Speaker 12: interviews are short. His statements, the way he presents his arguments,
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Speaker 12: they're shorter, they're sharper, they're clearer, which is regretably what
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Speaker 12: he didn't do so much as shadowed forever where he
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Speaker 12: tended to be a little bit long winded. But he's
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Speaker 12: been very powerful in his presentation over the last few days. Short, sharp, direct,
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Speaker 12: no waffle, and you can feel that he's starting to
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Speaker 12: cut through already. So I think he's made a very
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Speaker 12: good start, and it's helped by people like Jane Hume,
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Speaker 12: who are very economically literate doing what she did this morning,
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Speaker 12: as you just showed Andrew.
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Speaker 2: I thought she was very good there, and I did
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Speaker 2: think Angus stated delivered a very good speech of the
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Speaker 2: Center for Independent Studies today, But I don't know that
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Speaker 2: many people who hear a word of it. With this
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Speaker 2: the Muslim immigration issue front and center. The Liberals used
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Speaker 2: to put one nation last, Michael Danby when deciding their
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Speaker 2: preferences at election. You know, one nation said, oh, that's
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Speaker 2: the beaesel Bob, that's the devil. We can't do anything
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Speaker 2: with them, which was I thought was ridiculous. Former Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier Jeff Kennett now says they should actually swap preferences
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Speaker 2: with one nation.
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Speaker 1: Is he right?
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Speaker 11: How far things have changed? That's what the Liberals have
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Speaker 11: got to do. They've got to explain if they're going
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Speaker 11: to do that, why one nation has changed, why the
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Speaker 11: circumstances have changed, what the issue of immigration in particular
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Speaker 11: is about, as with these thirteen countries that they've identified.
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Speaker 11: Unless they do that and they sit back and just
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Speaker 11: get hit by the Labor Party and the left wing
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Speaker 11: media led from Ultimo, they're not going to be able
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Speaker 11: to do that and they'll be excoriated. But Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 11: is holding the One Nation back in Farah in the bush,
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Speaker 11: and I would say they'd be very formidable down there,
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Speaker 11: and that Liberals would have to consider it from the
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Speaker 11: regional and rural point of view, or however difficult it
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Speaker 11: may be in the city.
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Speaker 2: Well, that Pharah by election cause boss and Lee announcing right,
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Speaker 2: I'm out of here.
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Speaker 1: If I can't be the leader, I'm out of here.
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Speaker 1: And why not.
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Speaker 2: She's won seven elections, She's just been humiliated and off
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Speaker 2: she goes. I think she deserves her retirement. But it's
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Speaker 2: a very very difficult by election. Michael Kroger now One
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Speaker 2: Nation last time around, going to less than seven percent,
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Speaker 2: seven percent, it's going to be a huge test for
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Speaker 2: them and their momentum to win it. It's also a
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Speaker 2: huge test for Angus Taylor to win it. I don't
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Speaker 2: know what the Nationals will do. I saw the Bridget
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Speaker 2: McKenzie say we're going to run the candidate. I don't
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Speaker 2: know they've actually decided that formally. That would split the vote.
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Speaker 2: What do you think would happen? What should happen? How
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Speaker 2: big is this? I can't think of a bigger by
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Speaker 2: election than this one.
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Speaker 12: Look, it's very important, Andrew for two reasons. It's hard
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Speaker 12: for a new leader to build momentum if you lose
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Speaker 12: a by election early on. You know, in a liberal
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Speaker 12: seat that we've held for over twenty odd years, Susan
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Speaker 12: will have a personal vote. The one nation in votes.
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Speaker 1: On the increase.
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Speaker 12: Without policies, it's hard, it's very hard to hold that.
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Speaker 12: And secondly, it's important because it tells you whether it
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Speaker 12: will tell you whether one nation is increasing its momentum,
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Speaker 12: building its vote, or whether it's going to hit a
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Speaker 12: brick wall. If it's a brick wall in Parah that
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Speaker 12: could retard its progress around the country, you know, the
20:45
Speaker 12: press will start saying they've peaked and et cetera. Not
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Speaker 12: a serious party government. So it's a profoundly important by
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Speaker 12: election for Angus Taylor. So far, one nation as one
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Speaker 12: nation is concerned. I've read, you know, some of their policies,
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Speaker 12: but on government departments, et cetera. Look, unless you see
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Speaker 12: a full economic treatise from one nation, what are they
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Speaker 12: going to do about government spending, about tax rates, et cetera,
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Speaker 12: et cetera. They're not a serious partner in swapping preferences
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Speaker 12: with because whilst whilst they're extremely popular in relation to
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Speaker 12: immigration issues, what does it mean for the Australian economy
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Speaker 12: Now it is very hard to cut government expenditure, very
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Speaker 12: hard to cut recurrent expenditure. No one wants to increase tax.
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Speaker 12: So you're going to have to want to know exactly
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Speaker 12: what they're proposing to do in that because if you
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Speaker 12: swap preferences with them, you're impliedly endorsing their policies. So
21:43
Speaker 12: that's an open question and it's one that shouldn't be
21:46
Speaker 12: rushed into. And I think ultimately it's not something the
21:49
Speaker 12: party would do because I think on economics they're not.
21:52
Speaker 12: They don't have the restraint that the coalition will need
21:54
Speaker 12: to show leading up to the twenty twenty out election.
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Speaker 1: Andrew, here's the problem.
22:01
Speaker 2: The Liberals have fewer policies than one nation. It's incredible
22:04
Speaker 2: to say, but they do. One nation is a far
22:07
Speaker 2: more policies.
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Speaker 1: It's really weird. You've got one.
22:10
Speaker 2: Nation a party with a very few candidates but a
22:14
Speaker 2: lot of policies. You've got the Liberals with a lot
22:16
Speaker 2: of candidates but very few policies. My god, I think
22:19
Speaker 2: they probably need any port in a storm at this stage.
22:22
Speaker 2: Michael Krogan, Michael Danby, thank you very much to you both.
22:27
Speaker 2: After the break huge protests yesterday against the Iran's Islamist regime.
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Speaker 2: Well there's a difference. No police attacked Australian flags flown
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Speaker 2: even in Israeli one. What does that tell you about
22:38
Speaker 2: the difference between these protests and those anti israel ones
22:42
Speaker 2: in our streets.
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Speaker 1: There were massive protests.
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Speaker 2: In America, Canada, Germany on Saturday against the Islamist regime
22:58
Speaker 2: running he ran the pests two in many of our
23:01
Speaker 2: big cities. Now, that Iranian regime has not just sponsored
23:06
Speaker 2: terror abroad, including in Australia. It is not just financed
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Speaker 2: terrorist groups such as Hamas Hezbala and the Huties of Yemen.
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Speaker 1: It has this year murdered.
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Speaker 2: Tens and tens of thousands of Iranians who've been protesting
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Speaker 2: for freedom. And President Trump is sending planes and now
23:25
Speaker 2: two aircraft carrier groups ahead of a likely strike against
23:28
Speaker 2: the regime. Now, the protests in Australia on Saturday, they
23:33
Speaker 2: were very different, very tellingly different to the pro Palestinian
23:38
Speaker 2: protests that we've seen clogging our streets for a couple
23:43
Speaker 2: of years now. One difference Saturday's protests, the ones against
23:48
Speaker 2: the Iranian regime did not include attacks on police, and
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Speaker 2: the one in Melbourne included not just Iranian flags but
23:56
Speaker 2: even in Israeli flag and Australian flags. In fact, around
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Speaker 2: the country Australian flags were also flown by people demanding
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Speaker 2: democracy in Iran and the fall of the Islamist regime
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Speaker 2: and its leader. You don't see Australian flags of the
24:25
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protests through You're not a single one have
24:28
Speaker 2: I seen. I think that says something. Joining me are
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Speaker 2: sociologist SAMMYA Khani, who has helped organize some of the protests.
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Speaker 2: SAMMYA Khani, thank you so much for your time. We
24:40
Speaker 2: don't see the Australian flag at pro Palestine protests, but
24:43
Speaker 2: we did at these protests against the Uranian regime. Is
24:47
Speaker 2: the difference here that your protests are for democracy and
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Speaker 2: against Islamist tyranny?
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Speaker 13: Absolutely. We've been trying to tell world that we are
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Speaker 13: a peace loving nation seeking democracy not just for the
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Speaker 13: Iranian people, but also for a better world where we
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Speaker 13: can be allies of the Western countries of the developed
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Speaker 13: countries and developing countries, and in most of our protests,
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Speaker 13: not just Australia, we try to respect the flag of
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Speaker 13: the country where we protest, respect the police of the
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Speaker 13: country where we protest, and appreciate the opportunities that has
25:30
Speaker 13: been given to us to freely protest for a democratic Iran.
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Speaker 2: Well, the protests, particularly in America and I think Canada
25:40
Speaker 2: were very big. Now the Iotolas took over Iran in
25:45
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy nine revolution, how they changed Iran and
25:49
Speaker 2: why does this matter to Australians.
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Speaker 13: Yes, to your point, in terms of the size of
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Speaker 13: the protests, yes, we had around two hundred, two hundred
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Speaker 13: and fifty thousand Iranian Iranians protesting in Munich and around
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Speaker 13: half a million Iranians protesting in Toronto. These are one
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Speaker 13: of the two of the largest cities that we had protesters.
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Speaker 13: Ayatolas took over the country. Since then, our resources, our
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Speaker 13: oil money, the country's largest resources, have been spent on terrorism,
26:28
Speaker 13: on expansionist ideologies of the Ayatola where they seek establishing
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Speaker 13: the Sharia law and an Islamist state in countries in
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Speaker 13: the region and supporting their proxies in the region like
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Speaker 13: Hisbo La Huthis and Hamath and destabilizing the countries that
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Speaker 13: have those proxies in them, especially even in Palestine and
26:56
Speaker 13: Iraq and in Syria. In Iran, people all are starving.
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Speaker 13: The inflation rate is rate is the highest among the
27:06
Speaker 13: world countries. And also we have lost a lot of
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Speaker 13: resources throughout the forty seven years of the Islamists taking
27:16
Speaker 13: over Iran. And one thing that is important to Iranians
27:21
Speaker 13: is to for the world to understand that it is
27:25
Speaker 13: Iran versus the Islamic Republic that has occupied the country
27:30
Speaker 13: for seven forty seven years using our resources for their
27:36
Speaker 13: as I said, expansion is ideologies.
27:41
Speaker 2: It's incredible. You know, they've got money for a nuclear
27:44
Speaker 2: weapons program, but they don't seem to have enough money
27:47
Speaker 2: to bring even water to the capital city, Tehran, which
27:50
Speaker 2: is in desperately short of water. It's just quite astonishing
27:54
Speaker 2: the mismanagement there now. The sun of the last Shah
27:58
Speaker 2: of Iran before these revolution, he seems now to be
28:02
Speaker 2: the figurehead leader of the resistance. So he used to
28:04
Speaker 2: be written off as a nonentity, you know, someone with
28:08
Speaker 2: no future in Iran.
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Speaker 1: Does it seem to be the case anymore?
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Speaker 14: Here is millions of Iranians inside and outside of Iran
28:15
Speaker 14: are united around these four core principles Iran's territorial integrity,
28:22
Speaker 14: individual liberties and equality of all citizens, separation of religion
28:28
Speaker 14: and state, and the Iranian people right to decide a
28:31
Speaker 14: democratic form of government.
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Speaker 1: Samir Khani.
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Speaker 2: The protests within Iran, they seem to be largely suppressed.
28:42
Speaker 2: So how is democracy going to come to Iran now?
28:49
Speaker 13: As you know, the Ayatola is capable of killing as
28:53
Speaker 13: many as they can to stay in power. So Iranians
28:57
Speaker 13: cannot defeat the Ayatola armed bare handedly on their own.
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Speaker 13: They need help. Iranians are desperately asking for international intervention
29:09
Speaker 13: because that is the only way we can get to
29:13
Speaker 13: a free Iran and a democratic Iran. And by intervention
29:17
Speaker 13: we absolutely mean getting some help from in terms of strikes,
29:23
Speaker 13: targeted strikes where the regime can be weakened so Iranians
29:28
Speaker 13: can determine how to get back the country and establish
29:33
Speaker 13: a democratic system within the country.
29:37
Speaker 2: So it looks like Iran's freedom risks in Donald Trump's hand.
29:41
Speaker 2: Samo Connie, thank you so much for your time, and
29:43
Speaker 2: may I congratulate you too and all the other protests
29:46
Speaker 2: for showing the pro Palestinian group exactly how a peaceful
29:50
Speaker 2: protests in Australia should be run.
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Speaker 13: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for having me.
30:00
Speaker 2: Well after the break the panel is next to plus
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Speaker 2: a new word of advice to liberal hero jasent to
30:08
Speaker 2: Nampa Jimpa Price. The time for fighting fellow liberals is
30:12
Speaker 2: now over. Like I said, Angus Stala today gave a
30:19
Speaker 2: good speech to the Center for Independent Studies on his
30:22
Speaker 2: economic agenda smaller government, lower energy prices, less red tape,
30:27
Speaker 2: more freedom. I thought it was good. I mean lack
30:30
Speaker 2: obviously so early hard proposals, but it sounded very good.
30:35
Speaker 2: But I have to underlying then how significant it was
30:39
Speaker 2: that someone in the Liberal Party, in my opinion, meanwhile,
30:41
Speaker 2: leaked Susan Lee's immigration policy proposal to the media and
30:46
Speaker 2: overwhelmed that speech elite. This plan, drawn up under the
30:50
Speaker 2: former leader to restrict immigration from thirteen countries whom Muslim
30:55
Speaker 2: terrorists either ran the whole country or parts of it,
30:58
Speaker 2: now suggested to me, as I've said before, that some
31:02
Speaker 2: conservative liberal politicians have doubts just how hard anger stated
31:05
Speaker 2: would go to somepunfriendly immigrants coming here. On the other hand,
31:09
Speaker 2: I now see complaints in the media from two of
31:13
Speaker 2: these liberals, Paul scar who's actually was the immigration spokesman
31:18
Speaker 2: for the liberals, and the Susan Lee. I never saw this,
31:21
Speaker 2: I didn't endorse it, and he's on a moderate and
31:25
Speaker 2: even John O. Dunniam Is Home Affairs is oh, look,
31:30
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I never sawt blah blah,
31:33
Speaker 2: and he's actually conservative, So I don't know. Was it
31:37
Speaker 2: Susan Lee of sort of someone close to her suggesting
31:42
Speaker 2: how tough she would be in contrast? I don't know
31:47
Speaker 2: what could be a really positive thing, as Michael Craiger
31:50
Speaker 2: was suggesting, could really turn into a bit of a
31:53
Speaker 2: hand grenade.
31:55
Speaker 1: Anyway.
31:56
Speaker 2: Joining me is the panel Lisa got a former foreign correspondent,
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Speaker 2: founder of Adoni Media and scone you host the nikkerdi Georgio.
32:04
Speaker 2: Lisa gotad has already gone a bit messy. This leak
32:07
Speaker 2: of the immigration policy. What was that all about?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, you're certainly right there, Andrew. Look I look at
32:13
Speaker 15: this two ways. First of all, when I first saw it,
32:15
Speaker 15: I thought, perhaps this is a leak from Angus Taylor's
32:17
Speaker 15: camp to try to set him up so he can
32:19
Speaker 15: push this conversation out around immigration. Then you find out
32:22
Speaker 15: it's a leak supposedly from Susan Lee's camp. Now, I
32:25
Speaker 15: would think they thought they were being very smart with
32:27
Speaker 15: some sort of strategic master stroke that you could then
32:30
Speaker 15: wedge Angus Taylor just as he's out there trying to
32:32
Speaker 15: reset the framework and reset a new narrative. However, when
32:36
Speaker 15: you look at this, I think Taylor can use this
32:38
Speaker 15: to his advantage because what he has right now in
32:41
Speaker 15: Australia and you just mentioned the headlines and the disunity
32:45
Speaker 15: within the Party of Hey, I had nothing to do
32:47
Speaker 15: with that. He has a live focus group now to
32:50
Speaker 15: see what the reaction is to this hardline immigration policy.
32:54
Speaker 15: You've got over half of Australians who are saying in
32:56
Speaker 15: a survey that they think immigration is too high. The
33:00
Speaker 15: hot issues they put it behind health, cost of living, immigration.
33:04
Speaker 15: Most Australians want this discuss I think the Right have
33:07
Speaker 15: been very scared about pushing it too hard. Susan Lee
33:10
Speaker 15: may very well opened up a window for Taylor to
33:12
Speaker 15: put this out there, see what the public opinion is,
33:15
Speaker 15: and if he's smart, set some leadership around this and
33:17
Speaker 15: actually use it to his advantage.
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Speaker 2: Well, Denika to Georgia that would require very nimble and
33:25
Speaker 2: fast footwork from him, because right now, like the headline
33:28
Speaker 2: in the sidneymon Herald, is I never agreed top liberals
33:33
Speaker 2: bork at least hardline immigration policy that is not quite
33:37
Speaker 2: what you want when you fly, if you know, as
33:40
Speaker 2: a sort of focus group, to have some of your
33:42
Speaker 2: own or did he say no, no, no, don't like it.
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Speaker 16: No, Well that's a problem, and don't forget there were
33:47
Speaker 16: some moderates in the party, Andrew who were even scared
33:50
Speaker 16: of the term mass migration. They said that that was inflammatory.
33:53
Speaker 16: So you do wonder whether it is actually coming from
33:55
Speaker 16: that moderate flank. I just can't believe it. Susan Lee
33:58
Speaker 16: sat on this, this is a sort of policy need
34:00
Speaker 16: in this country. I also wondered whether maybe it was
34:04
Speaker 16: leaked from backers of Hasty to try and really push
34:08
Speaker 16: Angus Taylor to make a decision. But I think that
34:12
Speaker 16: he's got to own this. I think he has to
34:13
Speaker 16: act on it now because he came out yesterday saying, well,
34:16
Speaker 16: we're not going to release a discriminatory immigration policy. Well,
34:20
Speaker 16: the problem is, and that's been the case for successive governments.
34:23
Speaker 16: But the problem is Andrew is that Australia has changed.
34:26
Speaker 16: The face of Australia has changed. Weich has had our
34:28
Speaker 16: largest terror attack on home soil. There have been other
34:30
Speaker 16: attacks in recent years. You've got flags of terror groups
34:33
Speaker 16: being flown, Anti Semitism is running rife, You've got hate
34:38
Speaker 16: preachers as well. So there needs to be a hard
34:42
Speaker 16: and fast policy or we might go down the path
34:44
Speaker 16: of the UK if we're not slowly going there already. Look,
34:48
Speaker 16: I will say this about Angus Taylor. I think he's
34:50
Speaker 16: been talking very tough on immigration. It's the first time
34:54
Speaker 16: I've really heard a liberal leader come out so blatantly
34:56
Speaker 16: basically saying well, if you don't fit our values, you're
34:59
Speaker 16: not welcoming this country. And you know, for conservative voters,
35:02
Speaker 16: I think a lot of people have been wanting to
35:04
Speaker 16: hear that for some time. But it's got to translate.
35:07
Speaker 16: This can't just be a leadership change. It's got to translate.
35:10
Speaker 16: So I guess we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 2: Well, even you had Anthony Albanezer in Australia speech saying, look,
35:21
Speaker 2: you know we want people to throw their leave their
35:26
Speaker 2: old hatreds behind. I mean he's on the bandwagon too.
35:30
Speaker 2: The point is, what will you do about it. Everything
35:34
Speaker 2: rests on that. Now I mentioned you know here already
35:37
Speaker 2: we've had two senior liberals disown this flag wave, you know,
35:43
Speaker 2: this kite flying proposal, So that's no good goes through
35:48
Speaker 2: the heart of Have the liberals learned to keep their
35:52
Speaker 2: arguments private?
35:53
Speaker 1: Now?
35:54
Speaker 2: I've been a very big admirtage just into Nampa jimp
35:56
Speaker 2: for price, but I have to say I've been getting
35:58
Speaker 2: more and more concerned by what seems to me a
36:01
Speaker 2: little ack of discipline. You have Angus Taylor reportedly about
36:05
Speaker 2: to give her a front bench position today. She didn't
36:08
Speaker 2: just walk back a partial apology she gave her supposedly
36:11
Speaker 2: offending in the in Australians worse in my book that
36:15
Speaker 2: she's still a liberal fighting other liberals today publicly attacking
36:20
Speaker 2: Faction leader Alex Hark for insisting that she apologized to
36:23
Speaker 2: in the industrais here she is no.
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Speaker 17: You know, to suggest that I'm somehow racist toward any
36:30
Speaker 17: group of people is bloody ridiculous. Mister Hawk there had
36:33
Speaker 17: a good old crack and you know I had a
36:38
Speaker 17: very stern conversation with him. Don't try to gaslight me
36:43
Speaker 17: or accuse me of something I've done and have not done.
36:45
Speaker 17: And don't try to force me to apologize for something
36:49
Speaker 17: that doesn't require an apology. And don't apologize on my
36:53
Speaker 17: behalf either. I've got my own voice.
36:59
Speaker 2: Lisa got a after a new leader's elected, that is,
37:03
Speaker 2: you just shut your zippet. Really, what will it take
37:07
Speaker 2: for liberals to stop attacking other liberals?
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Speaker 14: Oh?
37:09
Speaker 15: If only we knew that answer, Andrew, if only they
37:11
Speaker 15: knew that answer. I don't understand the infighting and why
37:15
Speaker 15: they consistently want to have this out in the in
37:17
Speaker 15: the public public forum. We don't need to hear it.
37:21
Speaker 15: They've they've just like you said, elected a new leader.
37:24
Speaker 15: Susan Lee with this leak, basically what she's done. If
37:26
Speaker 15: this fails, if Angus Taylor doesn't show leadership on this
37:29
Speaker 15: and get this right, she can then sit back and
37:31
Speaker 15: her faction can sit back and say, well, the party's
37:33
Speaker 15: fallen apart under his watch now, because they've put all
37:36
Speaker 15: the blame on her. So she's positioned herself with this
37:39
Speaker 15: leak by being able to do that, But the party
37:42
Speaker 15: isn't helping itself. And as you say, you've already got
37:44
Speaker 15: two people out there now saying well, hey, we had
37:46
Speaker 15: nothing to do with this policy, this hardline policy and
37:49
Speaker 15: stepping it back. And that's within one day. Taylor's been
37:52
Speaker 15: in the chair for three days and they already can't
37:54
Speaker 15: get it under control.
37:58
Speaker 1: Oh there's just what do you I mean, Tanika?
38:01
Speaker 2: Some people go say, oh, look, you've been really hard
38:03
Speaker 2: on you know, angers stating yourself. Hey, I'm not a
38:07
Speaker 2: liberal MP. I'm a commentator calling it. Like I said,
38:09
Speaker 2: I'm fighting for ideas, not a side for Just send
38:12
Speaker 2: a Nampa jimper Price to take a leisurely whack at
38:16
Speaker 2: Alex Hark in public today. I think it's a sheer
38:19
Speaker 2: indulgence or am I wrong?
38:20
Speaker 15: No?
38:21
Speaker 16: I think you're right. I think the timing is absolutely appalling.
38:23
Speaker 16: The man's barely been in the job a couple of days,
38:26
Speaker 16: you know, lay off. The other issue that I have
38:29
Speaker 16: is that the coalition and the Liberal Party have just
38:31
Speaker 16: spent the night past nine months talking about themselves. They
38:34
Speaker 16: finally got a new leader. I mean many within the
38:36
Speaker 16: party have been pushing for a new leader. Well they've
38:38
Speaker 16: got it and they're still talking about themselves. Andrew. That's
38:42
Speaker 16: not what the public want to hear. So you know,
38:45
Speaker 16: look full credit. I you know, I really admire just
38:48
Speaker 16: sent a Nampa jimper Price. I think she's a wonderful
38:50
Speaker 16: politician and if she is going to get a call
38:53
Speaker 16: up to be on that front bench, then I think
38:55
Speaker 16: that she deserves it. But now is not the time
38:58
Speaker 16: to be whacking your colleagues. Now is a time for
39:00
Speaker 16: unity to say, hey, you know what, we are a
39:02
Speaker 16: genuine contender. Let's get the band back together and let's
39:06
Speaker 16: actually put some good policies to work.
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Speaker 2: Lisa got crystal ball from early signs. How do you
39:16
Speaker 2: think this is this new change of leader is going
39:19
Speaker 2: to work out?
39:20
Speaker 15: Look, I think he's going to prove his metal over
39:22
Speaker 15: the next few days. How he handles this blueprint that's
39:25
Speaker 15: been leaked on immigration right now, he's reactive, right, So
39:29
Speaker 15: he's there answering questions how much of this is do
39:32
Speaker 15: you agree with? What's your stand on this? Where will
39:34
Speaker 15: you take this? He needs to take control of the
39:37
Speaker 15: narrative because if he doesn't do that, he immediately loses authority.
39:41
Speaker 15: And from there we saw it happen with Susan Lee.
39:43
Speaker 15: She didn't come out with any strong policies. She was
39:45
Speaker 15: all about the process and all about talking. Then there
39:47
Speaker 15: was all the infighting going on as well. Angus Taylor
39:50
Speaker 15: has to run a really tight ship and he needs
39:52
Speaker 15: to be really tight on what his decision is around
39:54
Speaker 15: driving this immigration debate.
39:56
Speaker 2: Now, Dnika to Georgia, thank you very much to you both.
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Speaker 1: Coming up next.
40:06
Speaker 2: Why an owner of Manchester United had to say sorry
40:11
Speaker 2: about what immigration was doing to Britain and why he
40:13
Speaker 2: was right Plus Prince Andrew warned ex Prince Andrew So
40:24
Speaker 2: Jim Ratcliffe is the latest prominent Britain to protest the
40:28
Speaker 2: way mass immigration has changed his country. Now this billionaire
40:32
Speaker 2: is a co owner of Manchester United, is under fire
40:35
Speaker 2: for saying this.
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Speaker 18: You can't have an economy with nine million people on
40:40
Speaker 18: benefits and huge levels of immigrants coming in.
40:45
Speaker 1: I mean that the.
40:45
Speaker 18: UK's being colonized. It's costing too much money. It will
40:49
Speaker 18: cause the UK has been colonized by immigrants, really.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it.
40:58
Speaker 2: In fact, Jim Radcliffe is wrong. There aren't nine million
41:01
Speaker 2: Britain's in benefits. Are you crazy? There are ten million.
41:05
Speaker 2: But it's had to apologize for saying immigrants of colonized
41:07
Speaker 2: Britain and the Football Association is investigating whether it's brought
41:11
Speaker 2: the game into disrepute. Joining me from London's talk TV
41:14
Speaker 2: hosts The Bolt Report regular Samara Gil Samara, Great to
41:18
Speaker 2: see you again. What has the reaction been to Sir
41:20
Speaker 2: Jim's comments The establishment is coming down in like a
41:24
Speaker 2: ton of bricks is partially apologized.
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Speaker 19: We're the public, the public great to be here, by
41:30
Speaker 19: the way, Andrew the public. They're very divided on this.
41:35
Speaker 19: It's really caused a ruckus over here in the United
41:38
Speaker 19: Kingdom because I think obviously the word colonialization is very
41:43
Speaker 19: sort of it's contentious over here, unfortunately, just because of
41:47
Speaker 19: Britain's history, and I think as well, when you get
41:50
Speaker 19: such public figures like Jim Ratcliff, who you know, is
41:54
Speaker 19: highly influential over in the United Kingdom, seen as a
41:58
Speaker 19: mainstream person, I was very quick to point out he
42:01
Speaker 19: actually backed Labor in the twenty twenty four election over here,
42:05
Speaker 19: So you know, when he comes out and says that
42:08
Speaker 19: he thinks the UK has been colonized, it's quite serious.
42:11
Speaker 17: Now.
42:11
Speaker 19: I mean, let's just look into the definition quickly of that.
42:15
Speaker 19: It's the process by which a group of individuals settle
42:18
Speaker 19: into a new territory and establish control over it. So
42:23
Speaker 19: when we kind of look at that we can see
42:25
Speaker 19: when we've got these pro gaza MPs like people like
42:29
Speaker 19: Ikbal Mohammad who are advocating for first cousin marriage in
42:32
Speaker 19: the United k also people that run on a purely
42:35
Speaker 19: pro gaza ticket that you know, there are certain factions
42:39
Speaker 19: of society that haven't integrated and that have siloed themselves off,
42:43
Speaker 19: and that's just a product of mass immigration. I think
42:46
Speaker 19: immigration in general is a positive thing for countries like
42:51
Speaker 19: the United Kingdom if they treat themselves like a golden
42:55
Speaker 19: ticket country whereby which they take the best and the brightest.
42:59
Speaker 19: But what didn't even say in that little speech over
43:03
Speaker 19: there is that we've actually got a million foreign nationals
43:06
Speaker 19: on benefits in the United Kingdom as well. So I
43:10
Speaker 19: really think this unfettered migration is what's a causing massive
43:14
Speaker 19: issues with community cohesion, but be creating this underlying tension
43:20
Speaker 19: that has given to both an extreme left wing political
43:25
Speaker 19: movement and a new brand of conservatism.
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Speaker 2: Well, honestly, when you look at colonialism, as you know,
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Speaker 2: in the sort of ancient Greek sort of meaning where
43:39
Speaker 2: they'd be settling, you know, founding a colony, a little
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Speaker 2: town in some foreign country that is happening to Britain.
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Speaker 2: You've got you to go down London'swidge We're road. I
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Speaker 2: mean you would swee you were in downtown Bay Route.
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Speaker 2: You go to parts of Birmingham, you go parts of
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Speaker 2: Manchester and rather do I need to go on? I
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Speaker 2: mean it does increasingly look as through some parts of Australia,
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Speaker 2: like if the Conclothes being set up in a foreign country,
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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you isn't he correct in there?
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Speaker 19: I mean totally if you had one million British people
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Speaker 19: go into Bangladesh into one certain area, of course, then
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Speaker 19: that area would probably start looking a little bit like
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Speaker 19: England and they would start, you know, English people would
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Speaker 19: start putting their sort of architecture and everything around it.
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Speaker 19: So it really does go both ways in terms of
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Speaker 19: how you can view this. And yes, there are no
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Speaker 19: go zones now in the United Kingdom. There are places
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Speaker 19: that are not recognizable, but that's because of a failure,
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Speaker 19: in my opinion, by government policy allowing just thousands upon
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Speaker 19: hundreds of thousands of people in I mean, we had
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Speaker 19: in twenty twenty three one point four million immigrants come
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Speaker 19: into the United Kingdom, and of course I'm one my
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Speaker 19: so I can't talk about this purely as a British person,
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Speaker 19: but unfortunately for me, you know, I have very strict
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Speaker 19: visa restrictions. And unfortunately, when he talks about the benefits
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Speaker 19: bill of some of these immigrants that are coming into
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Speaker 19: the country is because they're the ones actually having kids,
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Speaker 19: while the Europeans are kind of abstaining from that. So
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Speaker 19: there is a multitude of issues that go down the
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Speaker 19: line as to why this is happening, and in my
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Speaker 19: opinion it is government failure that is at the root
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Speaker 19: cause of it.
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of government, well, actually royal failure. Andrew Beton Windsor,
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Speaker 2: the man formerly known as the Prince, has been worn
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Speaker 2: by Britain's top prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: Nobody is above the law. Nobody is above the law.
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Speaker 2: As the top prosecutor has said, because Andrew apparently peddled
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Speaker 2: confidential information to the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, the pedophile financier
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Speaker 2: who put him up in his houses and all that.
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Speaker 2: And this is information that Andrew got when taxpayers were
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Speaker 2: flying him around the world's UK's trade envoy, where it's
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Speaker 2: been photographed spending a lot of time with girls and
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Speaker 2: blah blah. This morning sounds ominous.
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Speaker 19: I think it really does. When you get the top
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Speaker 19: legal professionals in the country calling for this, then you
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Speaker 19: know we're at crisis point now. Of course, it's been
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Speaker 19: a tale of two men, because our former US ambassador,
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Speaker 19: Ambassador to the US, Peter Mandelson, has also been, you know,
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Speaker 19: in a very strong letter, called to testify in front
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Speaker 19: of Congress because of all the information that he knows.
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Speaker 19: So I don't think that we can have a double standard,
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Speaker 19: you know. I mean, Andrew's been above the law for
46:46
Speaker 19: so long. Hearing the sickening details that have come out
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Speaker 19: about some of the abuses of power of the accused
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Speaker 19: abuse is of power that he did while he was
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Speaker 19: using his princely name and his princely titles just make
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Speaker 19: you think, my goodness, what has he actually gotten away
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Speaker 19: with here? So, I mean, he said in that newsnight interview,
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Speaker 19: the infamous one which he shouldn't have done, or that
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Speaker 19: he probably believes shouldn't have done, that he would go
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Speaker 19: and testify in front of Congress. So I think that
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Speaker 19: he should stand by his promises for once in his
47:19
Speaker 19: goddamn life.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: The US is considering giving refugee status to an asylum
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Speaker 2: seeker in Britain Coskin if he loses a court case
47:34
Speaker 2: this week, prosecutors are appealing a court decision to quash
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Speaker 2: this man's conviction for burning a Koran in front of
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Speaker 2: the Turkish embassy.
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Speaker 1: What is this about?
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Speaker 19: I mean, I know we haven't got much time, but
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Speaker 19: in Britain, that's the place where the guy who tries
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Speaker 19: to stab you while you're burning the Quran is someone
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Speaker 19: who doesn't get jailed, whereas you have to go through
47:57
Speaker 19: a lengthy legal process as though who has burnt the
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Speaker 19: Quran in order to admonish yourself of any guilt. I mean,
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Speaker 19: this whole case is insane. We know that the US
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Speaker 19: has reached out and said that they might grant him asylum.
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Speaker 19: This guy is an actual asylum seeker for once. He's
48:14
Speaker 19: fleeing danger. He was a victim of Islamic terrorism, so
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Speaker 19: he claims, and he would like to be allowed settlement
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Speaker 19: in the UK. I've spoken to ham It multiple times.
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Speaker 19: He deserves to be in this country, but unfortunately anyways,
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Speaker 19: total fuss.
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Speaker 1: Gotta go. Samara gil thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Up next to Sherry Mason. Good night,