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Arnold Schwarzenegger _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _587(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a legendary actor, bodybuilder, tastemaker, really, in
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  Speaker 1: the world of bodybuilding. He was the governor of California.
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  Speaker 1: When you think of the American dream, he is pretty
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  Speaker 1: much it. The second season of his Netflix show, FUBAR,
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  Speaker 1: is dropping soon. We're going to talk about that and
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  Speaker 1: a lot more. I'm honored to sit down with the
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  Speaker 1: one and only Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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  Speaker 2: So where do you work out of? Where do you
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  Speaker 2: work out of?
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  Speaker 1: I live in Nashville, Tennessee now.
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I lived here for about 12 years.
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  Speaker 2: That's a growing city now, isn't it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's growing fast because it's safe. They have, you can
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  Speaker 1: have a weapon if you need to. So you can,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think there's that semblance of you can
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  Speaker 1: take care of yourself type of energy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so, and it's a friendly community. And it's very safe,
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  Speaker 1: you know. It's like a lot of cities, some of
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  Speaker 1: them get kind of dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: It's known for its country music, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever listen to country music growing up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, not growing up. Growing up was kind of
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  Speaker 2: rock and roll. You know, the 50s rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: Did they have any, cause you grew up in Austria, right?
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  Speaker 1: Or till what age?
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  Speaker 2: Austria, yeah. I was in Austria until I was 19.
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  Speaker 2: And so we were, there was a program that was
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  Speaker 2: called Hit Parade. And the Hit Parade.
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  Speaker 1: A television show?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. We didn't have television. So we just had
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  Speaker 2: the radio at home. But I had then bought... I
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  Speaker 2: was like 15 and I just bought my first transistor radio. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In a little plastic box, right? And I paid off
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  Speaker 2: like 50 shilling a month until it was paid off
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  Speaker 2: a year later. But then that always took down to
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  Speaker 2: the lake where I grew up. We were sitting around
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  Speaker 2: the boys from a village and we were listening to
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  Speaker 2: this hit parade. It was from seven to eight at
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  Speaker 2: night on Wednesdays. And there was like Little Richard and
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Berry and all of those guys that were, you know,
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  Speaker 2: big in the 50s and 60s. And so I grew
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  Speaker 2: up with that. And that's why I have that station
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  Speaker 2: in my radio, 50s at all times.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so you still listen to it?
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  Speaker 2: I just love it, right? Then when I came over here,
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  Speaker 2: I became aware of a little bit of the country,
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  Speaker 2: Western kind of music.
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  Speaker 1: Did you go to a concert in Austria? Was there
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  Speaker 1: a concert you ever went to before you came here?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I could never afford a concert. Are you
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  Speaker 2: kidding me? I had no money, but I mean, when
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  Speaker 2: I came over here, I then became aware of the
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  Speaker 2: country Western songs, especially Johnny Cash. He did a television show,
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  Speaker 2: a weekly television show, and it was great, great music.
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  Speaker 2: And so I fell in love with that. And then
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  Speaker 2: friends of mine here in America then took me to concerts.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was like a jazz concert. or a
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  Speaker 2: country Western concert and all of this stuff. And so
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  Speaker 2: then that's when I started really getting into it. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I loved the music, but then when you
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  Speaker 2: grow up in Austria, the most of the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: you hear is really Austrian music, you know, the kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing. Beautiful music. But I mean, that's what you
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  Speaker 2: hear on public radio and public television also. That's what
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  Speaker 2: you see. And you see operas and you hear concerts.
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  Speaker 2: And then my father himself was a musician. He played
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  Speaker 2: six instruments.
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  Speaker 1: Six instruments? Wow.
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  Speaker 2: All kind of like a fligelhorn, trumpet, saxophone, clarinet, all
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of traditional music he would play?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Very traditional because he was the conductor of
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  Speaker 2: the Chantemarie music, which is the police, the country police,
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  Speaker 2: like the sheriffs.
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  Speaker 1: Chantemarie it's called?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chantemarie is a French word. Chantam. And so he was...
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  Speaker 2: He was a gendarme, he was a police officer. And
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  Speaker 2: so he played in that Gendarmerie music.
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  Speaker 1: Would he play at home or where would he play?
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  Speaker 2: He, he, he practiced at home. You know, he would,
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  Speaker 2: while I was training, I remember I was doing my
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  Speaker 2: workouts and he would be standing, the window would be
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  Speaker 2: open up at our house and he would be kind
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  Speaker 2: of playing out to the window, out the window. And
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  Speaker 2: there was a kid that was my age. that lived
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  Speaker 2: 150 yards away from us. It was one of my
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  Speaker 2: best friends. And he also learned how to play the
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  Speaker 2: trumpet at the age of like 13 or 14. So
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  Speaker 2: he would play over there, and then my dad would
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  Speaker 2: play over here, and they were going back and forth
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  Speaker 2: like that. It was really fun.
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  Speaker 1: Like a couple of birds almost.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I never, for some reason or the other,
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  Speaker 2: my dad always wanted me to get into music.
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  Speaker 1: Not as a professional, but I mean- Did you try
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  Speaker 1: it at all?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tried it. It just didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: What instrument?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he tried with trumpet, obviously. Then he thought that
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  Speaker 2: he can seduce me kind of into the music because
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  Speaker 2: I liked Elvis. So he said, well, why don't you
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  Speaker 2: learn how to play the guitar? I don't play the guitar.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a farmer that is 100 yards up the road.
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  Speaker 2: He plays the guitar and he can teach. He's also
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  Speaker 2: a teacher. And so I would go to him. But
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  Speaker 2: I just could see right away that that was not
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  Speaker 2: meant for me.
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  Speaker 1: Was there a lot of like when you were a
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  Speaker 1: child in Austria, was there a lot of like individualism
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  Speaker 1: or was it, were things very like regimented? Like in
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  Speaker 1: America you could like, you can be an individual, right?
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  Speaker 1: But some countries it's a little bit harder to kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, you know, be an individual and have a voice.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what was it like there when you
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  Speaker 1: were young? Did it feel like things were regimented or
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  Speaker 1: it was okay to be rebellious? What was it like there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was rebellious in the way because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: think about it. Soccer, and track and field, they were
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  Speaker 2: kind of like the in sports. But when I was
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  Speaker 2: exposed to weightlifting and to powerlifting and to bodybuilding, I
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  Speaker 2: fell in love with that. And also because my heroes
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  Speaker 2: like Reg Park and Steve Reeves, they were doing Hercules
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  Speaker 2: movies and I just started looking at those movies, right?
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  Speaker 2: And so I said to myself, I want to be
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  Speaker 2: like that. I don't want to be a top soccer player.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be like that. I want to have
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  Speaker 2: the muscles like that. And I want to get into
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  Speaker 2: movies like that. And so that all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: became my dream.
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  Speaker 1: So you really wanted to be like this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was fixated. I was like, kind of
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  Speaker 2: like concentrating that I kind of put visually my head
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  Speaker 2: on Reg Park's body. And I said to myself, there
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  Speaker 2: was a picture, a famous picture where he won the Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Universe contest in London in 1951. And when I saw
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  Speaker 2: that picture, it was like him holding the trophy and
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  Speaker 2: flexing his bicep. Yeah. And then I said to myself,
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  Speaker 2: can you imagine if this is me? I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: make this me. And so that's what I was training for.
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  Speaker 2: So my parents thought that it was kind of, what
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  Speaker 2: is that all about? Where did that come from? And
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  Speaker 2: the whole neighborhood was kind of like wondering, what is
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  Speaker 2: this guy doing training every day, two hours, three hours
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  Speaker 2: a day? I came home. and instead of having lunch,
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  Speaker 2: I would put my sit-up board up on the kitchen table,
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  Speaker 2: and I would be doing sit-ups, 500 sit-ups during lunch.
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  Speaker 2: So you were addicted to it. Totally, totally addicted. Because
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  Speaker 2: I was driven by my vision. It was always there.
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  Speaker 2: Even when I was in school, I would sometimes just
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  Speaker 2: wander off when the teacher was teaching out there, writing
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  Speaker 2: up something on the blackboard, and I would be looking
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  Speaker 2: at that, and then all of a sudden, he could
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  Speaker 2: see that I was just kind of like, staring off. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he threw a chalk
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  Speaker 2: at my head and bang. And I looked back again.
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  Speaker 2: He says, he says, Arnold, I'm up here. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I know you're looking at the beautiful trees out there.
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  Speaker 2: They're more beautiful maybe than me, but you got to
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  Speaker 2: listen to what I'm saying here. So, so I've noticed
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  Speaker 2: I was always kind of drifting off and, uh, daydreaming, visualizing,
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  Speaker 2: visualizing my dreams, always visualizing my dreams, being on that stage,
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  Speaker 2: the Mr. Universe contest, doing maybe Hercules movies, going to
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  Speaker 2: America and all of that. So it was very different.
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  Speaker 2: So that was not the norm. So I did step
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  Speaker 2: out of the norm. Because everyone else was talking about, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go and get a job with the
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  Speaker 2: government because I want to make sure that I collect
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  Speaker 2: my pension when I was 65. I had no interest
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  Speaker 2: in any of that pension. I mean, what are we
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  Speaker 2: talking about now? The age of 18, we start talking
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  Speaker 2: about pensions. I mean, it's crazy, right? But that's... the
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  Speaker 2: European way. Everyone looks for stability, especially in those times
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  Speaker 2: where government was really ruling. So then that's also, I think,
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  Speaker 2: an explanation of why when I came over here to
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  Speaker 2: America in 1968, and I saw Hubert Humphrey and Nixon campaigning.
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  Speaker 2: Hubert Humphrey, who is Hubert Humphrey? He was the vice
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  Speaker 2: president under Johnson. Okay. And so he was campaigning to
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  Speaker 2: become Well, Johnson was after Kennedy. Then Humphrey was his
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  Speaker 2: vice president. So he was running for president. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like he eats gumdrops, that guy. And so it
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  Speaker 2: was really interesting when I listened to the debates. and
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  Speaker 2: I didn't understand maybe three-quarter of it, but I had
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  Speaker 2: a friend that spoke German, and he translated for me.
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  Speaker 2: And when I heard of what Nixon said, it was
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  Speaker 2: so opposite of what I grew up with, which I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like. The government was kind of in charge of everything.
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  Speaker 1: In Austria?
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  Speaker 2: In Austria, yeah, exactly. And since I was in Germany
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  Speaker 2: and in all those countries over there in Europe, socialism
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  Speaker 2: was the system that I grew up in. So when
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  Speaker 2: Nixon spoke, I felt like, wow, get government off your back.
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  Speaker 2: Get the government off your back. That sounds great. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And lowering the taxes. Strong military, strong police force, strong economy.
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  Speaker 2: Let the people be free. Let them shop all around
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  Speaker 2: the world. And blah, blah, blah. And I said, this
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  Speaker 2: is like unbelievable. And then when Humphrey spoke, it was
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  Speaker 2: like I was back in Austria. So then I said
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  Speaker 2: to myself, what are the parties here? Because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: understand really the parties yet. Why?
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  Speaker 1: What was it about Humphrey's that made it feel like
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  Speaker 1: you were back in Austria?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he said, government is the solution. Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 2: I see.
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  Speaker 1: So he was more like the cage.
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  Speaker 2: We all know that the government is not the solution.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the free enterprise, the economy and
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  Speaker 2: all this. You got to let people be free and
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  Speaker 2: not be controlled by government. Government is good, but you
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  Speaker 2: have to find kind of the middle ground of all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't, if you rely solely on the government
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  Speaker 1: for your life, then you'll just be a, you'll be
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  Speaker 1: a part of the government basically.
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  Speaker 2: And you become a vegetable. Yeah. Because they create the
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  Speaker 2: safety net, then you don't have the will to really
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  Speaker 2: kind of make it on your own. So what the
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  Speaker 2: big advantage of coming to America was that there was
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  Speaker 2: no safety net. So I was on my own. So
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  Speaker 2: I had to get really creative. Okay. How can I
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  Speaker 2: go and go to school and educate myself? How can
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  Speaker 2: I go and get more English classes? How can I
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  Speaker 2: go to Santa Monica city college and at the same
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  Speaker 2: time work and at the same time train five hours
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  Speaker 2: a day and do all of those kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: So this is, But it was up to me now
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  Speaker 2: to be successful, not up to the government.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: So the government was providing the opportunities and orders, the structure.
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  Speaker 2: But that is what I enjoyed. And so this is
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  Speaker 2: why I became kind of like a Nixon Republican. And
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  Speaker 2: people always were kind of like, especially in California, which
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  Speaker 2: is a much more liberal state. So I really enjoyed it. Nixon,
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  Speaker 2: of course, came from California.
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  Speaker 1: Question, Arnold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Was it scary to tell your parents that, to leave Austria?
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  Speaker 1: Did people do that at the time? I'm just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit curious on what it was like to say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving here and I'm going to go to America.
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  Speaker 1: Was it even a popular path for people to go?
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  Speaker 2: Well, remember, I started saying this when I was 10. Ah,
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  Speaker 2: I see.
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  Speaker 1: So it had been, your parents knew it was in
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  Speaker 1: your head.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I saw a documentary, a black and
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  Speaker 2: white documentary in the school. They showed always those films
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  Speaker 2: with this eight millimeters, whatever, films on the little screen.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, television was not the common thing
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  Speaker 2: at that time in Austria. So we didn't grow up
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  Speaker 2: with that. But they showed the film and they saw
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  Speaker 2: a documentary about America. Now you see the Empire State Building.
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  Speaker 2: I said, wait a minute, this building is like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a hundred times taller than any of the buildings in Graz,
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  Speaker 2: where I grew up, right, in Austria. And then I
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  Speaker 2: saw the Golden Gate Bridge, then I saw the Pacific
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  Speaker 2: Coast Highway. I saw all of this kind of, you know, great,
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  Speaker 2: great things. I saw the six-lane highways. I saw the
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  Speaker 2: big Cadillacs, you know, with the big fins sticking out,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: The ladies, too.
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  Speaker 2: And then we had all these little kind of cars
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  Speaker 2: and Muscle Beach and all of this stuff that did Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I got to go to America. I got
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  Speaker 2: to go to America. This Austria is not the place.
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  Speaker 2: It was almost kind of like that my gene was
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  Speaker 2: over here. You know, so it kind of, I gravitated
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  Speaker 2: towards America. Not that I hated Austria, but I just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to leave and go do something different. So my
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  Speaker 2: parents always saw me as being different. So it was
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  Speaker 2: not a surprise to them that I wanted to go
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  Speaker 2: as soon as I was through with high school and
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  Speaker 2: trade school, that I wanted to go into the military.
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  Speaker 2: So I went into the military because after you go
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  Speaker 2: and serve in the military, then you can get your
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  Speaker 2: passport and you can travel.
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  Speaker 1: So you had to go to the military to get
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  Speaker 1: your passport in Austria?
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  Speaker 2: That's right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is it still that way?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's different now. Everything is different
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  Speaker 2: because everything has changed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had a brother as well, right? Did
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  Speaker 1: he go to the military?
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  Speaker 2: He was in the military. Was he older or younger?
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  Speaker 2: He was a year older.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, cool. What's his name?
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  Speaker 2: So he was a year Meinhardt.
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  Speaker 1: Meinhardt.
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  Speaker 2: Meinhardt, yeah, exactly. So he was a year earlier, but
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  Speaker 2: he passed away, as you know. I didn't know it.
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  Speaker 2: At the age of 24.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: He passed away.
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  Speaker 1: That's him right there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, this is Franz Dichinger. He was my training
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  Speaker 2: partner in Munich. So after the army, the Austrian army,
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  Speaker 2: I immediately left to go to Munich because I got
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  Speaker 2: an offer. Because now, in the meantime, I became the
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  Speaker 2: European champion in bodybuilding in the junior division. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: you go to the military. So I became this. While
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  Speaker 2: I was in the military, I won this title, best
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  Speaker 2: built man of Europe, junior. God. You know, I was
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  Speaker 2: 18 years old. So now I got this offer in Munich,
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  Speaker 2: that's the biggest gym, to go and become a trainer.
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  Speaker 2: So I said to myself, okay, I'm going to serve
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  Speaker 2: out my term here, get out of here a year later,
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  Speaker 2: and then I go to Munich and I become a
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  Speaker 2: trainer there. Now then, I can train anytime, 24 hours
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  Speaker 2: a day, because I actually lived in the gym. So
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  Speaker 2: I could get up, literally, if I wake up at
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  Speaker 2: three in the morning, And, you know, I can, let's say,
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  Speaker 2: I can fall back to sleep. I go out to
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  Speaker 2: the gym.
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  Speaker 1: How did you live in there? Like where? They just
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  Speaker 1: had a bed in the side or something?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It was a little room. It was from here
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  Speaker 2: to there where you would sit and a bed and
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  Speaker 2: just a little kind of a thing with a cabinet
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  Speaker 2: with drawers. I put my stuff in. That was it.
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  Speaker 2: That was it. And then I walked out of it.
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  Speaker 2: It used to be an office there for the gym.
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  Speaker 2: And I just moved in there because I had no money.
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  Speaker 1: And you were like, this is what I do all
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  Speaker 1: the time anyway. This is like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was in heaven. Yeah. Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I went out there, turned on the lights,
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  Speaker 2: and I was posing with all the overhead lights. I
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  Speaker 2: was posing in the mirror all the time. At night,
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  Speaker 2: I would wake up, and I would go out there posing.
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  Speaker 2: So I was very intense and very passionate about bodybuilding
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  Speaker 2: and perfecting my body and going to London to that
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  Speaker 2: very same contest that Reg Park won, the Mr. Universe.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And that very same year when I went out to Munich, 1966,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I became now Mr. Europe, literally two months later. And
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: then best built man of Europe. And then I went
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: to the Mr. Universe contest with the age of 19.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I was the youngest competitor and I came second.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And where was that held at?
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It was in London, the same stage as Reg Park.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So you still hadn't made it to the US yet?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: No, no, not yet.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: And was your brother also lifting weights? Was he a weightlifter?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: No, he was not interested. He was much more, I think, academic,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I would say, because he read a lot and he
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: studied a lot. He was really good in school. I
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: was not that good in school. It was just so-so.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Did you guys get along pretty well? Is that him
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: or no?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: That's him, yeah. That's Meinhardt.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool. What is Meinhardt?
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Meinhardt, yeah.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I just wonder what it would be like, because I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: have a brother too, so I'm just thinking sometimes like
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: it would be, yeah, I just think about my brother
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a lot, so I guess I was just curious what
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it was like, what your brother was like.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Well, he was different than me, but we did hang
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: out together. He did come to the gym every so often,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and he worked out with me, but he was not
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: into it. He wasn't passionate. He is naturally, he had
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: a better body than I had, actually.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a really V-shaped body, had wide shoulders,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a very, very small waist.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: God, they always give it to the person that doesn't
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: want it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a guy like that.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But that's, I think, what is interesting about it is
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that you struggle much more in the beginning and to
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: catch up, and then all of a sudden... you see
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: your own potential. You don't see it in the beginning.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: But then, I mean, I think it was like going
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: to the gym was my first time where I got compliments.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Because my parents weren't into that. It was the Austrian
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: kind of upbringing, kind of everything, they correct everything. The
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: grades are no good. And the soccer, why didn't you
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: kick the ball? You were like 10 yards away from
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the goal. You didn't kick it in. You tripped over
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the ball. I mean, what the... come on out it
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: was always some kind of always trying to correct you
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: exactly that's right yeah it was always a complaint and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: then if you made a mistake you get smacked and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: stuff like that so it was that kind of upbringing
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: but it was very helpful to me because it actually
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: gave me the motivation to leave Austria.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: And it gave you control I mean if you're bodybuilding
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: it's just you against you there's no You don't have
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to depend on anybody else. I mean, I guess you
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: have to depend on the judges when you go to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: actually compete. But day to day, it is you against
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: your own emotions and mentality and ability.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, but also at the same time, even though it
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: is a sport that you are on your own, but
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: in the end, you still rely on your training partners.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I was very fortunate always that I had the mentality of...
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: being able to attract the best training partners. So I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: had guys that were as hungry as I was, because
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that's the important thing. If you have someone that is
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: not as hungry, then it doesn't really mean anything. If
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you have someone that competes with you, that counts out
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the reps, then he wants to do an extra two
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: reps more than you do, and you get up the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: weight and all this stuff. So I always say it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: good training, but I'm a big believer in that we
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: really can't, in the end, do anything by ourselves. That's
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: why we say, don't call me a self-made man, because
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a product of a lot, a lot of help,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: if it is in bodybuilding, or just, I mean, think
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: about Joe Weider. After winning two Mr. Universe titles in London,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: the amateur Mr. Universe, the following year, 1968, the professional Mr. Universe.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: So I was like the youngest Mr. Universe ever.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And that was the year after you got second?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That's right. Okay. And you were 20 years old. 1967,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I was 20 years old. Wow. And I wanted to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: become the youngest Mr. Universe. So now I'm down that stage,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: exactly where Reg Park was, and winning the Mr. Universe.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And not only that, but Reg Park immediately sent me
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a fax.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And....
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, to London. He said, I want to invite you
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: to South Africa to give posing exhibitions and do strongman
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: act down there. So I was invited by Reg Park,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: which eventually then within a, uh, by end of the year,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I went down to South Africa.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And you still hadn't gone to the U S yet.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I haven't gone to the U S. What brought me
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to the U S was, which was kind of my dream.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Someone would notice me in bodybuilding that it would take
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: me to, because bodybuilding was an American sport.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Not a European sport. It was American sport really. And, uh,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So I all of a sudden get this invitation from
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Joe Weider, who was the publisher of the muscle magazines.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: He published like four big muscle magazines, Flex and Strength
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and Health and all of these magazines.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we used to get some of them, I think,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: We didn't use them. And muscle and fitness, all of this.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And he had also an equipment company, the food supplement company.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Because it's weights, right? I've seen the weights before.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It's weights. It's the food supplements. And his brother was
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the head of the organization, the Bodybuilding Federation. Got it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And this is when you came to the U.S.? Yeah, so.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: He brought me over in 1968.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, before we get there, Arnold, and not to interrupt
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you or anything, but you did a show, you went
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to like one of the first interracial shows that was
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in South Africa?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: That was later on.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was later on, okay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: So that was 1975.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Got it, okay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So you get to the U.S.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Very good research.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Do you remember your first, thank you. Do you remember
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: your first day in America?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. It was in Miami. I went to Miami
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and I was competing there in a competition. And then
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: after that, I came out to California and I was
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: picked up in California at the airport by a bodybuilding
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: photographer by the name of Artie Zeller and Dick Tyler,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: who wrote for the Muscle Magazines. They picked me up
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and took me to an apartment that Joe Wheeler rented
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: for me. And it was fantastic. I mean, from then on,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I got all the help in the world now because
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that's when I really realized the generosity of the American people.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, they gave me, I mean, the bodybuilders, there
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was Thanksgiving came up after that because I came over
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: here in October, November was Thanksgiving. So there was, there
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was like this whole thing about, you know, giving me
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: pillows and giving me, blankets and giving me dishes and silverware.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Where were you, homeless or something?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Say again? Why were they giving you all that? Because
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: when you move into an apartment, what do you get?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a furnished apartment.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And you were living in LA at that point?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in the valley, over there in the valley.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And then all those bodybuilders came to me and they
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: brought me all this stuff. It was like unbelievable. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I could not even believe how generous they were. And
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: this was a lot of times people that didn't know
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: me at all. But just because bodybuilding and joining a club,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you know, you become kind of part of that family.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And so they were very, very sweet and kind. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I would never forget that. That's actually what made me
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: then think about, well, when I ever make it, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: will give that back. I will help other people myself,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: What's it like finding a gym that really fits you? Like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: what's that like at that level of bodybuilding? Were there
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of gyms you tried out and you're like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: this isn't it? Or did you already know where you
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to be?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I came over here, there was a gym called Vince's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Gym that had all the champions training.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Where was that located?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It was over in the valley. Okay. In Ventura Boulevard
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: in North Hollywood. And a very, very famous gym. This
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: is where, you know, Larry Scott, Mr. Olympia trained, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Don Howard, it was Mr. America, and Don Peters, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: all those guys were training there. And then I ventured
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: over here every so often for powerlifting. There was a
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: gym called Gold's Gym. Not many bodybuilders trained there. Some,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: but not many. Most of them were like shot putters
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and powerlifters and weightlifters and so on. And it was
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: a much more rough gym. But somehow, because of the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Austrian gym where I kind of started the first three
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: years in this weightlifting club, it reminded me of that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: So I started getting more and more attracted to that gym.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And then I moved from the valley over here.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: To Venice.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: To Venice. And I was still part of Santa Monica, actually.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It was, you know. Ashland, one of the streets not
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: far away from here. And then I went daily training there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And then Gold's Gym, then other bodybuilders came from all
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: over the country to train there too.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Because you were there?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I was there and that was, Joe Weider now
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: started writing in his magazines about Arnold is training in
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Gold's Gym. And, you know, if you want to go
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and train in a great place, this is the place
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Was it hard for you to train? I mean, were
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: people at that point just standing around watching you train?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: No, because there was a lot of, you know, I mean,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: this place was filled with great bodybuilders. Oh, I see, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So then others came out here from Florida and from
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Kentucky and from New York, and they all started joining
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Gold's Gym instead of training there. So this was kind
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of like the place that had the best bodybuilders in
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the world training in Gold's. That's how Gold's Gym became famous.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: You know, because it was a little gym. It was
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: not big. It was 3,000 square feet, I think it was.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember when I first moved to Los Angeles,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: we went to Firehouse. I don't know if it's still
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: there or not.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Firehouse.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Was that the place? It was a big protein place.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It was like a, was that, I think.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: It was- Well, Firehouse now is a restaurant down there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: It used to be like a place where you could
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: get literally like a bowl of chicken.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you still can get there. You can- Get
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: great scrambled eggs.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: You can get like 30 eggs or whatever.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. It was like, yeah, I remember I ate,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I ordered like a month worth of food right there
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: just for, just at lunch. Yeah, it took me like
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: five hours to get out of there just because I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: didn't want to like.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was never a big eater. So to me,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: that meant nothing. If I had a little steak and some,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: two scrambled eggs, I was perfectly fine. I was full.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: For the day?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Not for the day, no, but let's say in the morning,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: steak and eggs or scrambled eggs or something like this.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I always had to take protein drinks in between meals
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: because I could never eat enough to get my 250
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: grams of protein because I weighed 250 pounds. And the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: idea then was that for every kind of pound of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: body weight you have, you should have one gram of protein. Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: When, cause I used to buy, I don't know if
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I used to bodybuild. I used to use steroids when
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I was like growing up and just lift weights a lot.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I loved it for years, you know? And I think
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: whenever I get like, you know, whenever I quit working
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: as much, I'll probably try to get back more weightlifting.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Was steroids pretty popular then or what was it like?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Was that part of the, because I'm sure it was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: part of the culture.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Well, no, it was not yet, but it was something
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that was in the beginning, very experimental. So would you
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: hear it? Like, would it be like on the black
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: market or it was just like public? It was just
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: like people would talk about it like as a supplement.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It might be in some places it was in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: black market. I don't know. But all I know is,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: is that we always went to a doctor. because they
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: want to make sure that they measure your blood pressure
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and they check your health and all of that stuff
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: because it has side effects. Oh yeah. And especially if
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: you take it beyond of what they recommend. So if
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: they recommend, let's say one shot a week and you
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: start taking one shot a day or something, which is
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of course the case, a lot of the day, that
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: people are overdosing, and that's why you see some bodybuilders
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: actually die, because of the overdose of drugs and all
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: this stuff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Did you see friends go down that road, or other
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: bodybuilders go down that road where they would get addicted
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to it?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Not in my days. It was the new, but now, it's,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I think, really somewhat, I would say, out of control. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No. There's no move that ever made career-wise. I thought
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  Speaker 2: my moves forward, and when I should retire from bodybuilding,
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  Speaker 2: when I felt like, okay, I don't have the joy anymore.
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  Speaker 2: After five Mr. Universe competitions that I won, Mr. World
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and Mr. Olympia six times, I retired in 1975 after
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that competition in South Africa that you mentioned just earlier.
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  Speaker 2: So that was kind of the last competition. I did
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: come back in 1980 again for the Mr. Olympia, But
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  Speaker 2: that was really just an afterthought. But I mean, really,
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  Speaker 2: I retired in 1975. And- After the South African show?
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  Speaker 2: After the South African show, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about that? Because
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  Speaker 1: I bet it was really interesting. Just South Africa is
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: probably my favorite country. I mean, it is beautiful.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It is a gorgeous country. And of course, at that time,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: blacks and whites and everyone was separated. I mean- by
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: separated meaning they had different rights. You know, the whites
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: were the ones that ruled the country. The blacks were
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: kind of kept down.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Was Desmond Tutu down there at the time? Do you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: know if he was speaking?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course he was. But I mean, the whites
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: really were kind of in control.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: They were kind of the leaders of it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The Dutch and the British. It was always a
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: fight between those two in the parliament and all that.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: And so then I got to meet and to know
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the Minister of Immigration, And he was also minister of
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: sports and minister of labor and blah, blah, blah. So
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: he was a very, very powerful guy in administration. And he,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: when I met him, he said to me, Arnold, when
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: you come over here to South Africa and you do
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: posing exhibitions and strongman acts, you should also go to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the townships.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: To the townships?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I said the townships.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Like the Sowetos?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course, I did not know. So he then
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: explained it to me. And then he would organize with
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the Reg Park together for me to go in because
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it was not the safest place in town. Not that
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: they wanted to do harm to you, but I mean,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: for someone like me to come in there and to
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: do a demonstration there, I mean, everyone got lit. I mean,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: they were drunk. They were celebrating that someone would come
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: in and give them the respect and do something special
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: for them. So very appreciative, right? So I would go
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in there. And I was in the cage.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Into the Sowettos? Is that what it's called? Can you
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: bring that up for me, Nick?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the townships. They're all over the place. In every
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: town in South Africa, there's townships like that. There's places
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: where the blacks would live, right? Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think they're called the Sowettos.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Are they or not? That's one of them.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sowettos. Yeah, I think so.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So in any case, so I would go in there
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and do a demonstration and do my posing and lift
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: weights and all of this kind of stuff.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: In these small townships? Yeah, there was like.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You know, thousands of them surrounding and then just, you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: screaming loud and having the greatest time. And then we
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: would go out.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, they would put you on the grill. I'm surprised.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I bet they were star so hungry. Sometimes they were like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: look at this wealth.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It was, it was fantastic. The reception and everything. So,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: but the reason I mentioned that is because it led
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to the conversation with, uh, you know, uh, that minister
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: of sports, um, and, uh, He said to me, he says,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: we should have an international competition here in South Africa.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: He says, we should work together on that. And I said, okay,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: we will. And his name was Dr. Kornhoff. Dr.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Kornhoff?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Dr. Kornhoff. And he was an extraordinary man, very, very smart.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: But it just shows you that there was people like
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: him that already wanted to do more for the blacks
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and to, Diversify. To elevate him. Yeah, create. So he then,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I set him up with Ben Wieder, with Joe Wieder's brother,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: who was the head of the International Federation of Bodybuilding.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: They got together and they hit it off really well.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: And so Joe Wieder and Ben Wieder worked with him
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to bring the Mr. Olympia contest to South Africa, to Pretoria,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the capital of South Africa. But the conditions were, that
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: they were able to have a mixed audience.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so black and white audience. Had they done that ever? Never.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Wow. So there was the first time there was black,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it was blacks, but there was not just black and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: white in South Africa. There was a group that was
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: called blacks. There was a group that was called colored.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: There was a group that was called Indians. There was
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: a group that was white. I mean, there was like
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: five different Asians. So everyone was different.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: A lot of variety.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: It was kind of like, it was not considered we
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: are all equal there, right? And so what Ben negotiated
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: was that we have a mixed audience with anyone, no
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: matter what their nationality and what their kind of color
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: is or religious beliefs, anyone should be able to come
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: to this competition. And also, not only that, but to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: be a judge. We will have also half black and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: half white judges, blah, blah, blah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: So was that scary to go before a black judge?
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Did you think that they would judge you fairly? I
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: would be No, not at all, because they were not.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was competing in America at that time already.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, you were used to it. And I was used
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to it. We had Leroy Colbert, who was the first
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: guy with the 122-inch arms, big, big bodybuilder from the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: 50s and 60s. And he was a judge in New
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: York several times. And he was a totally honest judge.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: There was other black judges. So that's the great thing
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: about bodybuilding. In bodybuilding, there was no prejudice. There were
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: some people... in party building that were prejudiced. But in general,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: especially under the Wieders, the Wieders, I think because they
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: were Jewish. I think it had something to do with
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the fact that they were that kind of open-minded about it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot of times they're the leaders in
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: promoting diversity.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: That's right, yes. There was no prejudice there at all.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, there was a guy
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: by the name of Bob Hoffman He always made sure
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that when they had the AAU, had the Mr. America competition,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: only whites could win. No black could win there. Oh, really? Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: So that was really embarrassing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: So there were some barriers within the.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: There was guys like Sergio Liver that would be competing
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: in 1966 or 1965. in the Mr. America, and he
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: would get beaten by white guys. And it was totally unfair.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Or Harold Poole got beaten in 1963 by Verne Weaver,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: which I thought was unfair. So what they did then was,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: because there was now two federations, there was the IFBB,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: there was the AEU in Napa.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: AEU?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: AEU, exactly, American Athletic Union. So they then went from
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that federation over to the IFBB, And there, Sergio Leiva
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: won immediately. He became Mr. America, he became Mr. World,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: then Mr. Universe, then Mr. Olympia. And he actually, in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the first Mr. Olympia competition, Sergio Leiva beat me. 1969, fairly.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was no complaints there at all because
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: he was extraordinary, right? And so then in 1970, I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: came back and I beat him in the Mr. World
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: competition in Columbus, Ohio. And then two weeks later in
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: the Mr. Olympia in New York. So we were big rivals.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And that was, of course, a big admirer of his
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and a big idol. And he treated me really well.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: We went to Chicago and trained together at the Duncan
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: YMCA and all that stuff. I wanted to learn from him.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I love the YMCA, don't you?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. It's great.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of the YMCA. It's just
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: kind of like they're always a little bit, like it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: never perfect there, but everything's kind of like, a little
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: bit old enough where I like the equipment, it's never
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: too fancy.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can get the job done. So to me,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: it's not about the luxury, it's just much more about
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the will to succeed. and when i see pictures online
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: of bodybuilders that are training in the sand in africa
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: right now blacks that are having cement weights on a
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: bar god and a cheap bench And when they do
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: their bench press, and the other day I saw one
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: of those kind of videos, and they get up from
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the bench, I'm looking at it and I say, this
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: guy could win Mr. America or win Mr. California or
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: something like that. He looks extraordinary. So it's really not
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the technology so much. It helps you, but I mean,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: on the end it is really, What you have to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: work on is the will to succeed.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, the will was the best. There's nothing better than
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: just having like a little weight bench outside in your
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: backyard or something and you go out there or in
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: your garage and it's just your.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I did my deadlifts right in front of the house
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: in Graz, in Tal, which now is a museum and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the house where I grew up in.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Your home is a museum where you grew up?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: The home, exactly, yeah. I'm going to go over there
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: in two weeks. Our pump club is meeting there with
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the European bodybuilders members from the pump club and then
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: there's some Americans that also coming over there.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: That audience in South Africa, what was, did, did it
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: have the, the feeling during the show of like, this
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: is like a novel thing. This is like a, like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: was there that energy in the, in the, in the event?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: There was so much energy in that auditorium and it
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: was not a big auditorium. It maybe held, I would
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: say 1500 people, I would guess. Um, And it was,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the energy was fantastic. The joy of being together was fantastic.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: And I really think that had a tremendous impact also
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: on the future of South Africa. And it was just
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: wonderful that there were leaders there that believed in that
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and wanted to organize. And everyone, the police and everyone
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: was really cooperative. Everyone worked together. So it was a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: fantastic show, a fantastic competition. And of course I won.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So it's always a fantastic competition, you know, when you
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: win your sixth Mr. Olympia. But I... What was interesting
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: about it was I got $ 1, 000 cash price. And I
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: was really upset about that because I felt like, wait
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: a minute. In 1965, 10 years ago, Larry Scott, when
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: he won Miss Olympia, got $ 1, 000. And now 10 years later,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: we still get $ 1, 000. So that's what made me actually
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: motivated to go then in front of the IFBB, the
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: International Bodybuilding Congress, and to ask them for permission to
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: organize the next year's Mr. Olympia in Columbus, Ohio. And
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what we did. I got the permission and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: then we upped the cash price to $ 5, 000, then to $ 10, 000,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to 20, we doubled it every year. And now we're
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: giving over a million dollars away for cash prizes for
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the Arnold Classic.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: What's like one of the things right before you go on,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: because I'm guessing you're backstage, right? You wait to go
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: on and they call your name out and then you
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: go out and do your poses. Is that how it goes?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's, in those days, the way it worked was
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the whole lineup of all the competitors. Now, you have
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to understand, Mr. Olympia means that you have to have
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: won a world championship title before. So Mr. World, Mr. International,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: or Mr. Universe. So those guys are the top guys.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So you have like six or seven guys that are
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: on the stage. And so the judges, they ask you
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: to order come out. You have a certain time at
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: one o'clock, be ready for pre-charging. And then you come
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: out and then you stand there. And then the judges
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: will shuffle you around. And they says, okay, can number
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: seven go over where number one is? And number one
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: goes over where number seven was. You know, they just
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: see them next to each other, different people next to
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: each other. Then they say, turn around, turn sideways.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: What's the scariest way to be turned? Was there ever
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: a part where you're like, this is, I got to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: kind of cheat this angle a little bit?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, for me, it was basically always a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: tremendous joy to be up on stage because it's one
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: of those things where you feel like when you're really ready,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I always felt kind of like in most cases that
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I was so ready that no matter what angle it was,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I was ready to go and I had always a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: smile on my face. And I flexed everything. And the
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: key thing is that you have practiced your posing enough
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that you can stand there in a flex position. It
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: looks relaxed. You stand there like this, but you still flex.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: You keep the stomach in and you keep the abs
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: flexed and the calves flexed and the biceps and the
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: triceps flexed. So that was the idea. And I was
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: always having great joy with that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So it's a lot of acting too. It's kind of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: some acting up there.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It is one of the great forms of acting. Why?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: because you cannot go and say to the judge, look
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: at me, I'm the most perfect up here. Look at
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: my abs. No, you have to do all that without talking.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: You have to communicate with them and also with the audience.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Because remember that the sound of the audience is very
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: important because you want to get big applause. So the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: judge say, oh, this guy got the most applause. I mean,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: he definitely, you know, has the best body. So, but
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: then you wait for the individual posing. So then you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: come at one after the next, you do your three-minute
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: posing routine.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And what's the tricks there? Is there any trick of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the trade, a last-minute thing you used? You would pinch
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: your tits or just rub some molasses into your lips?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: What was a last-minute thing people would do, put ice
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: under your arms or something?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: No, I think the key thing is just that when
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: you go there, that you're so ready that you don't shake.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: You get how many bodybuilders, I'm sure you've seen it,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: they hit a shot and then after a few seconds,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: they start shaking.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, so that's bad?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: For that level. I mean, it's natural when you have
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a Mr. Venice Beach competition, Mr. Muscle Beach. Or Mr.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Montgomery, Alabama, yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Beginners, of course, they make mistakes and they're not as
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: well trained. But when you get to the Mr. Olympia level,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: it's unacceptable.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you want to make it look so that
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you want to control the shake.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: You hit the shot. And you smile, you look at
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the judges and you smile. And then you smoothly move
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: into the next shot. And then hands, just a movement.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: It has to be all very gracefully and no shaking.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So that again, that you say to the judges, look,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I am so ready for this. Unlike maybe the others.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: So that's what it is. So it's all about the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: seven Ps. you know the seven P's, proper prior planning
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: prevents pissed poor performance. And the Marines, they have that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And so that's- Proper prior planning prevents pissed poor performance.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Prevents pissed poor performance, exactly. So that's what it's about.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: It's the same there. You come prepared. You make sure
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: that you work, everyone has weak points. So you have
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to make sure that you worked as much on your
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: weak points so that the judges see that you're not blind.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: that you noticed that last year you maybe had not
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: so defined legs. Yes, maybe you won, but the legs
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: were so-so. And then the next year when you come back,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: you have to have ripped legs. So then the judge said,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: that guy got the message. So this is what it's
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: all about because in the end, you really are an artist.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You're a sculptor. You're not just the athlete that is competing,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: but you're the sculptor. You're sculpting on your own body
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: instead of a chisel and a hammer that you kind
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: of sculpt a physique. You do it now with machines
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: and with the reps and the different exercises where you say,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I need a little bit more of the rear deltoids.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I need a little bit more separation in the front
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: between the deltoid and the pectoral muscle. I need a
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: little bit more cut on the lower abs. I need
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the calves to be balanced. They're not big enough for
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: the arms because it should be the same size as
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: your arms are. And all of those kind of things.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: So you become kind of like an artist in your
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: own body.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: That's what the idea is. Did you ever like have
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to work out the top of your feet or your hand?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Were there things you could do for your face even
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that?
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: No, no. I mean, there are people that pay attention
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: to that. I didn't. Right. To me, it's always about
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the bottom line.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So, but what is it that we're doing here? What
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: we're doing here is we are showing the most perfect
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: physique and who is the best in actually displaying that physique.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Because it's all about, you know, presentation, presentation, presentation. It's
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: like a piece of art. You know, you can have
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: a painting that is maybe amongst many other paintings and
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't even notice there's a Picasso. But then when
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you put it up there on a white wall and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: in a beautiful gold frame, with a special lighting, and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: then you have someone talk about it, now you can
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: auction something off for a lot of money. So it's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: all by presentation. And so this is why I think
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the same is also in bodybuilding, the way you present
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: your body, the way you present your muscles. Indeed.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: At that point, I mean, I can see now how
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: even like lobbying for certain things to be changing in,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: like in the prize money, right? I can almost see
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: where your direction comes to even end up in politics, right?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You can start to see it like, well, this should
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: be more, there should be some adjustments. You weren't just
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: like a competitor, you were also somebody who was examining
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: how things were run and how they could be better,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: especially when you were partnering with guys like uh, Ben
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: wider and stuff like that. And probably inspired by those
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: guys to probably get this larger vision of things that
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: were going on. Um, did you, when you got into film,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: so at that point, you know, how to act, you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: how to impress the front row, you know, how to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: use probably every element of your body to impress people.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: So that kind of just leans leads kind of perfectly
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: into acting.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but remember that what is key in all of
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: this stuff is also personality. And I don't know if
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: you can train a personality or not. I mean, I
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: don't know what you think about that. But, I mean,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I think some people just don't have the greatest personality. Oh, yeah,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: some people are boring. And then some people have a
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: great personality.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: You know, and so I think that I developed over
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the years, not that someone taught me that, but I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: developed a personality that, because my joy for whatever I
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: did came through. So when people talked to me about
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: bodybuilding in those days, I was not shy of the press.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Other bodybuilders for decades didn't talk to the press. So
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: when I came over here, people thought that when they
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: saw my body, they thought it was a football player
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: or it was a wrestler or something like that. But
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the last thing they guessed was a bodybuilder. So they
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: didn't know about bodybuilding. So I, in 1974, I hired,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I was the first bodybuilder to hire a publicist. And
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: so we went and did talk shows, the Johnny Carson show,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Murph Griffin show, Mike Douglas show, and all of those shows.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: And were there football teams that tried to get you
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: to come and play for them? Did you ever get
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: an offer?
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: No, because, I mean, I think I made it very
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: clear in my interviews that my vision is to be
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the greatest bodybuilder of all times and to go then
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: into acting. So even when people came to me, because
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I was always very good in business, I studied business,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I got my degree in business while I was over
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: here doing the training for bodybuilding. At SMC?
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Did you go to SMC?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I went to Santa Monica City College, to UCLA, and
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: got my degree in business. It was like business administration.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I was just naturally always gifted for making deals and
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: being creative. Got it. I always understood how it works.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: In bodybuilding, for instance, it's one thing to say, okay,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to up the cash price. to $ 20, 000. Let's
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: say from like within a three year period, we had,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: we give away $ 20, 000 and the beginning, but then you
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: have to say, okay, where do we get this money from? Ah, sponsors. Right.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: So now I have to go out and hustle the sponsors.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And this is now, of course, we have the biggest
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: bodybuilding and fitness convention in Columbus, Ohio, in the world.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: We have 200,000 people coming through there in three days.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: We have every company displaying their products, their machines, their
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: food supplements, clothing. The Arnold Classic. It's always the first
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: week in March. And it's three days, the whole thing.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: So now, like I said, Now we raise enough money
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: where we can give away over a million dollars. As
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: a matter of fact, this coming year, you're going to
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: go up to a million and a half dollars. So
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: it's all kinds of great things happening. But I was
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: able to build it to that because I have a
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: business mind. And I know exactly how that works and
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: how do we attract everyone and bring everyone together.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Were there women all weightlifting at that time or no?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: The first Miss Olympia competition was a guy by the
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: name of Schneider. from, he was from back east, from
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia area. And we did that together.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, you guys started it?
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, because the women were all kind of complaining,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: why can't we compete? So we did a little, shall
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: we call it Miss Olympia. And because the International Federation
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: of Bodybuilding at that point had no interest in women bodybuilding.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Why was that, do you think? Was it just their
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: view of women at the time?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: No, at the time, it was they were stuck in,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: we created this federation for the guys. Oh, yeah, it's
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a boys club. It's fair. It's like gym owners like
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Joe Gord, he would not let women train. Why? Not
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: because it was against women. No, we love women coming
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: in there. But he figured, I don't have the room
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: for another bathroom here. I have 3,000 square feet. I've
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: only for the man, the shower and the bathroom.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Some of those girls are pissed standing up.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. Yeah. But I mean, we had
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: women coming in and their watches work out, but they
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: couldn't train there until they got in a bigger space.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And then women were included in the whole thing. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: so the federation was a little bit reluctant to do that.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: And when we did the Miss Olympia and all of
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: the girls really enjoyed that, that they were able to
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: go on stage and to also compete with the muscles
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. The Federation then woke up and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: they said, okay, we're going to get involved in that
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: and we're going to go get them. And since then,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: it has been booming, you know, and they've been doing
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: not only bodybuilding competitions, but, you know, fitness competitions and
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: beauty competitions.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Does Arnold Classic have a women's division?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. I didn't know that. Sorry.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Look at these chocolate babies right here, huh? Yeah, everybody
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: kind of gets chocolatier, huh?
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: They're tanned. Now you have this tanning stuff.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Was it real tanning back then?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: No.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: What was the key to the best tan? The best tan.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: We got the best tan that we could get. So
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I would work out a lot of times outside in
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the weightlifting platform in Venice.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I love that. So you get kind of tanned all
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: over the place. Doing chin-ups and doing bench presses and
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: incline and dips and all this stuff. Then we would
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: jump in the ocean again, come back and work out
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: some more and all this. But in the end... We
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: then added to that tan, tan in a minute, by
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Helena Rubenstein. So I don't even know if this exists anymore.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Bring it up tan in a minute, huh? That 60-second sous-vay.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: They call it. In those days, it was the big trick.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: So you put it on with a sponge. You just
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: poured it out on a little plate. You put it
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: on with a sponge, and you had a buddy of
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: yours that did your back and stuff. Oh, yeah, romantic.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. So this is what they did.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: That's why a lot of, today they spray it on.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: They have actual experts come to the bodybuilding show and
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: backstage there's people that manufacture this tanning stuff and they
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: would then help bodybuilders and just spray it on and
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: all of that. So it's much more professional today.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But at the time, so they would put that tan
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: in a can basically?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would put it in a bottle. It was
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: in a bottle.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: And you'd have a friend do your back. Would anybody
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: ever sabotage somebody and not do their back really good?
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: No, but I mean, there were some people that were
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: really stupid and then did not know how to put
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: it on. It would show kind of streaks because they
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: didn't have the right sponge.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little mulatto around the wrist.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: So we put on just a light kind of layer.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: It was all about just a little subtle thing because
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: it's not going to make you win. It just makes
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: the photos look a little bit better when you have
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit of color.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And what was it called if somebody went too dark?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Would you just call them a little chocolate bunny or something?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: No, it was up to the individual. As a matter
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: of fact, they tell you that you can see in
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: our Arnold Classic, a lot of times when the guys
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: turn around, you sometimes don't even know who is black
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: and who is not.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I know.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: It's the best. Because they're so dark now, the tanning
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: has gotten so sophisticated.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a perfect guy. When he turns around,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: you would think it's a black guy standing there.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: For sure. And a nutmeg fella, yeah. That is just
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: a little molasses baby. That's so remarkable. In business, they
• 57:01
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• 57:05
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  Speaker 1: slash Theo. Okay, Dad, showtime.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: No! No! I'm very protective of my team. Witness protection
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: was our only choice. But all of us living under
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: one roof can get awkward. Nope. Oh, no.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Bad Donnie. Bad Donnie.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Hello, Luke.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Credo.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Underneath the foreign stars in a foreign place. Greta Nelson,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: East German spy, disappeared in 1989. Your eyes are wide
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: and the fan plays. Everybody wants you. Cool, Dad.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Your terrorist friend is amazing. Who the hell.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Is that? Theodore Chauvin. former MI6 agent.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: He works for me.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Together, we'll destroy the world.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: You're gorgeous.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Are you serious? You spying on us? Us spying on you?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Well, Emma's pregnant. That got your tongue? I hope not.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I may need it in the future. She means sex.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: World War III is about to jump off. Get out
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: of there! Ready?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: No!
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: No! Hold on, old man!
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Boom! i told you i'm.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Back i want to talk about your new show you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: do have some some stuff just so we make sure
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: we talk about it man foobar i watched your first
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: episode so i guess it's not out yet right no
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: um and it's season two it's kind of great because
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: it brings me through all this like nostalgia of watching
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: you over the years right like I feel like it's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit of all, like to me, this is
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: perception and it could be judgment, but a little bit
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: of like all your roles into one. Did it feel
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: like that a little bit when you're shooting it or?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the idea of the show is, of course, when
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you act out, then you find those moments where you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: can play all of the different roles. But the idea
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: of the show is just to do like what we
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: did with True Lies, what Jim Cameron did with True Lies, right?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: So it was like, how do we go and do
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: a show where you pack it with action, and also
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: with comedy, with humor, and also with kind of soap opera,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: various relationships, interesting relationships, and so on. And so I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: think that the writers did a really good job because
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: just like in True Lies, I'm the number one spy
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: in this show. But when I come home, so I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: kick ass out there. I take care of the job
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: all the time, wipe out the enemy, all the terrorists.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: But when I come home, I have to deal with
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: the everyday crap. Like we all do, right? You have
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: to worry about the kids. The wife is mad at
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: you because you were gone for a week again and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: you couldn't really explain. I always, because my wife does
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: not know that I'm a spy, so I always had
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: to lie. And if there's this equipment company and there's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: a health convention there, they have to go to this convention.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I have to then come home and have to make
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: up stories. I said, The sales guys are really interesting.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: He said, I tried to sell my equipment there and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: over there talked about his life cycles. All of a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: sudden they said, I was so upset about this whole,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: and so, you know, you just make up all these stories,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: which is, but I'm getting, you know, there's a divorce
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: there then, you know, then my daughter all of a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: sudden is in the CIA and then she's also a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: spy and all of this stuff. So there's all these
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: conflicts that are going on and it makes it a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: really interesting show then to watch because there's relationships, It's action,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: it's funny and all that. And so Nas showed it
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: very well, the last series and now the second season.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: And so now we see how that is doing.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like a level of also nostalgia
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: just getting to see you still operate in these roles,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like you've just, you've continued to keep your,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're, you know, you just continue to want
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: to work. It does, because you don't have to work anymore.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something. I love to work. Why?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Because it makes you active. And I just think the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: most important thing is as we get older, you don't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: have to worry about any of that right now. But
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, eventually you will. When you get older, you just,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: you have a tendency of sitting around. You have a
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: tendency of not moving as much. And so it forces you.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So when you do a movie, You have to get
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: up at six in the morning. You have to get
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: to the set. You have to go and prep. You
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: have to go and practice the action and all that
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: stuff in the fight scenes. You have to do the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: rehearsals of the scenes. And you work until night. Right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Then you go home and you fall bed tired. And
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: then you get up again in the morning. And remember,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the most important thing for your brain is to go
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: and practice and to kind of do challenging things with
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: your brain so you don't get Alzheimer's and other kind
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: of diseases like that. So it makes you memorize lines,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: long scenes, and especially in TV, you do like six
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: to eight or 10 pages a day. And then I
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: play chess on the side while I'm waiting for the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: scenes and all this. Just keep always going. So to me,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: the important thing is because I feel like if you rest,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: you rust. And so it's all about movement. It's all
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: about keep moving and keep moving and keep challenging yourself
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: because as soon as we retire, You know, things go south.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just something that happens to.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: The brain and to the body. Especially Alzheimer's. Especially, it's Alzheimer's.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger Alzheimer's, they almost seem like they would be neighbor.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, no judgment or anything,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: but it almost seems like that would be the one
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to look for you because of just your same letters,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: some of the same letters even.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I have enough with my heart problems. So, I mean,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about another problem forever. You know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: for the last 25 years, I had heart surgery. you know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: three times and all that kind of stuff. And valve
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: replacements and all that stuff. It's a congenital thing from
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: my mother. She had it from her mother and all
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: that stuff. And so I have to deal with that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: all the time. But everything is good because I train
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: every day and I exercise and I watch what I eat,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: which is I watch the food and then I eat it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Did you ever have a stroke and you just kind of,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: you're like, I've kind of had that before, I can
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: get through the rest of the day?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, none of that.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about though?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Like, did you ever have like, Because sometimes you'll get
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: a pain or something and you're like, I think I'm okay.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Did you ever have like, I'm assuming if you had
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a lifetime of like having heart issues that you would
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: start to be like, ah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: That's gonna be okay. No, it was never, I always
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: was kind of in front of the situation. So that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: means that I remember when I took my mother to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: the hospital here when she was here visiting, she always
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: had an episode and I took her to UCLA. That's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: when we found out that she had a valve problem.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: And the doctor then said to me, he says, make
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: sure that you also check yourself. He says, because this
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: is something that's a genetic thing.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: So it's almost like a gift that she got to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: be here and you got to go through that with her.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So I, from that point on, always went to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: the doctor. And the doctor said to me, he says, well,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: you have, at one point he said, you have a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: problem with your valve, with your aortic valve. And you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: don't have to do anything now. He says, but as
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: soon as we see it going down, We want to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: catch it before it goes down because otherwise it affects
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the order itself and blah, blah, blah. So the bottom
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: line is I stayed on top of it. So when
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: I got my surgery, open heart surgery, I went in
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: there because I made an appointment. So there was no episode.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: There was no stroke. There was no heart attack or anything.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Never had any of those kind of things. So I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: always was ahead of the game.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Was it scary when they put you under? Like were
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: you kind of scared? Did you make sure it was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the best guy doing it, Arnold? Because you've got to
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: have the best guy. Of course it's important. Did you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: look him in the eyes and take him off the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: side and say, hey, let's make sure we do it good?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't have to do that, no. I would
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: do that for sure. I knew this guy's history. Dr.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Stans was his name. They did the first two surgeries.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And he was like the top of the top. So
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: there was no.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Two ways about it. You've had a very blessed and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: interesting life, right? And you've had it, so you know. Um,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: at what point you're probably, I would say it's, I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: think it's fair to say you're probably in the second
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: half of your life. At what point do you like,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: do kind of like goal, like goals turn into like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: legacy if, if in your mind at all, if it does.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean that to be a uncomfortable question.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, does your brain start to adjust where like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: these are my goals and then like, okay, this is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: a legacy that I want to leave. Does that make
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: any sense or no?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it is always important to think about.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: you know, the idea of that we should leave the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: world a better place than we inherited it. And so
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: my whole life was always about, okay, how can I
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: make this a better world of the knowledge that I have?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: So for instance, in fitness, in bodybuilding, I went around
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: the world to promote the idea of weightlifting and weight
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: training and resistance training and made it then popular, right?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Because we had to figure out a way of penetrating
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: through the general public that thought that bodybuilding is just
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: flexing your muscles on stage, but they didn't realize that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: bodybuilding is something that you just get a healthy and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: stronger body for whatever you do. You maybe need it
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: for tennis. You maybe need it for your bicycling. You
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: maybe need it for your whatever sport, like UFC fighters
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: are working out. Oh, the first time I heard of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: fitness was through you. It was through you. But I mean,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: that was the idea. I wanted to not just lift
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: myself up, but I wanted to lift the rest of
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: the bodybuilding movement up. And so it was always something.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: So now, of course, 50 years later, there's a gymnasium
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: in every hotel in the world. There is a gymnasium
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: or weight room in every kind of a military installation
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: or base.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: There's those guys we saw there doing those curls with
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the cement.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So people are lifting weights everywhere. Every high school,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: every college, every sports team, everyone has weight rooms. So
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: this is where we are now. So this is why
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I felt really proud of that, that we were able,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: with the help of Jane Fonda and other kind of characters,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: that were helping women with the fitness movement. And so
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: we really elevated the fitness sport to something really, also
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: a huge economic contribution that it made. So to me,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: that's important. When I became governor, I wanted to make
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: sure that we have healthcare for everybody. I want to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: make sure that we have a clean environment, that we
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: fight pollution and to pass laws to reduce the pollution
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: in California by 25% and all that. So I continued
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: on creating an environmental organization and to have our world
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: summit in Vienna every year where all the environmentalists come
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: together and talk about how do we go and fight
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: pollution and all that stuff. So we have one coming
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: up in 14 days now again. And so it's always
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: after school programs, for instance, when I realized that our kids,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: that 70% of the kids come from a home where
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: both of the parents are working. So there's no way
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: they're picking them up after 3 o'clock from the school.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: So there's kids standing around after school and not doing anything.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: So then I found out, well, this is the danger
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: zone for kids between 3 and 6 o'clock because there's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: no supervision. So they get involved with drugs, with gangs,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: with violence, with alcohol, teenage pregnancy. I said, this costs
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: the community a lot of money. Let's do something about it.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Everyone was complaining about it, but they weren't doing anything
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: about it. So I stepped out and I started the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: afterschool programs. And it has been a huge hit. We've
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: raised over the last 30 years. 4.5 billion dollars we raised.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: All over the country. We have been to millions and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: millions of kids. We've helped with afterschool programs with great
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: success rates and all of this stuff. So to me,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: it's all about how can I make this a better world?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: So this- I see what you're saying. So you feel
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: like a lot of your legacy has kind of been
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: lived along the way.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not like this should be my legacy. I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: don't think that way, but I think about I want
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: to improve the world, especially now. But, I mean, think
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: about it. I'm an immigrant. I'm an immigrant that came
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: over here and got every opportunity in the world because
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: of America.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: America gave me everything. They gave me the money that
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I have made, the career in bodybuilding, the career in acting,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: the wonderful family. all of that stuff is because of America.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: So to me, it's a natural thing that they give
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: something back to America because I love this country.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Well, you're one of the most jacked immigrants too that
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: we've ever had probably, I think, for sure.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. And you're competitive about it. I love
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: that I can feel how competitive you are. And that's great.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: You have to be competitive because also America is a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: platform for if you are competitive and if you choose
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: to apply yourself that you can reach some of your
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: dreams and goals and aspirations. Do you think that it's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: still possible? Like you've had this, you've gotten to live
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: in America for a while now and have a good
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: breadth of understanding here. You've gotten to work in politics.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Do you think the American dream is still possible? Or
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: do you think there's things happening these days where we're
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: not helping that along?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you, I didn't study this issue, right?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: So I couldn't really give you facts and figures. But
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: what I can tell you is, no matter where I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: go in the world, People come up to me and says, Arnold,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: can you please help me get to America? So that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: never has changed. It doesn't matter to immigrants. People that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: want to come here, they don't know what the political situation,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: they don't care if the Democrat is in power or
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Republicans in power, what the Senate says, what the Congress says,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: what the governor said, nothing. They just want to come
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: over here. They want to get a shot. So this
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: is what it is. And they have to do it
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: the legal way. So that is the key thing to me,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: is to do it the legal way. So anyway, the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: bottom line is, I think the opportunities are there. When
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I go down to Gold's Gym, I see this guy
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: from Africa that was competing in my bodybuilding shows in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: the Arnold Classic and was in one of the top
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: three and all that. Then he became a personal trainer.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: He's charging $ 200 an hour. He's driving up one day
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: with his blue Bentley. The next day he's driving up
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: with his red Ferrari. And I mean, this is a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: guy from Africa that came over here with nothing. So
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: this is a young kid. He's like maybe 35 or
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: 40 years old. And look at what he does. So
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: there's trainers down there that are from different countries. There's people,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: if you're willing to work, that's why I always say
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: to people, I say, work your ass off. Don't ever come,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: this is my big advice to immigrants. I said, don't
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: ever come over here to just use this country. I said,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: give something back. Think about that you want to work
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: your ass off here. You want to educate yourself here.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: You want to contribute to America here. That's what you
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: want to do. Because the very fact that you're allowed
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: to come over here, you should go and have that
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: mentality of wanting to give something back. That's the bottom line.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Amen, man. And I think that goes to, even as
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: you're saying that, Arnold, it's making me think about like
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: even our relationships that I'm in or business situations. I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: should think of most things as that way. Like, let
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: me give something to this, right? Whatever this is, if
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: this is a relationship with a spouse or a girlfriend
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: or a boyfriend or if it's a team that I'm
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: on or just a commitment I've had, if I'm going
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: to spend an hour with my son or my mom
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: to do something, let me give something to this, right?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Let me not just take even this moment for granted,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Let me be here and be present
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: and apply myself so that we create something that, just
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: so I'm honoring the fact that I even have this
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: moment in time.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. And let me tell you something, that as soon
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: as people realize that they're not self-made, that there were
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of people involved in where you are today,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of people. You couldn't operate without the engineer.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: You couldn't operate without the deal that you got to
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: do this and blah, blah, blah, and all this kind
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: of stuff. You have to recognize that because when you
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: recognize that you're not self-made, that people have helped you,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: that is what makes you then click and say, I
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: got to now help other people. I have the responsibility
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: to help other people. And then you realize how much
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: joy it brings you when you see that you have
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: an impact And you can help other people. That's why
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: we have the Pump Club. And that's why we do
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: the Arnold Classic and the promotion of bodybuilding and environmental
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: stuff and the afterschool programs. I mean, to go to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: one of this afterschool program conventions and to hear the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: kids' stories, it just makes you feel so good that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: you did that, that you raised the money. We have
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: poker tournaments at my house where we raise like seven,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: $ 8 million sometimes. And then we put this right into
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: the afterschool programs. So this is where the action is.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: And you can do all of that because, as I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: always say, the day is 24 hours, and I talk
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: about it at great length in my book, and it'll
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: be useful. I talk about all of those kind of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: principles of giving back and having a vision and don't
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: listen to the naysayers and all those kind of things.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Who do you go to for your inspiration? Do you
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: have a coach or a mentor over the years? Do
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you go to Tony Robbins? Do you hire some of
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: these guys who are really good at this type of
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: stuff to help you in certain speed bumps in your life?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I, I would say that I have always had mentors.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Like I, you know, the weeders, uh, that, that helped me.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: And I looked up to them. Reg park is something
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: then bodybuilding that I looked up to. Then later on
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: was like Ronald Reagan, when he was governor of California,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: then became president and Nixon and people that I looked
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: up to, or George Schultz, who was secretary of state
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: on the Reagan, uh, that then became my mentor when
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: it became governor. and told me about how to work
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: together with Democrats and Republicans and not just it's my
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: way or the highway type of thing.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Did you get to meet Reagan?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for many times.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, what was he like, man?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: I was at the White House. I was invited to
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: state dinners there and everything like that.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: They have good food over there?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Say again?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Good food over there, huh?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they know how to cook.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Hell, yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah. God, I love that. And then also Nixon.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was down at the Nixon Library, I remember,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: in the early 90s, And that's when Nixon, just without
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: telling me, called me up on stage and wanted me
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: to give a speech. So I told him how I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: became a Nixon fan. And when I came over here
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: to this country and all that stuff, he loved it.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: He said to me, he says, oh, you should become
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: governor of California. It was really great. So he was
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: one of the guys that always pushed about.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's Bob Hope right there.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: I just got back. I just did a show in Qatar. Qatar? Oh,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: you did? It was pretty cool, yeah. I happened to
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: just be over there. Trump was over there speaking too
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: at the same day, but we just did a show
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: for the troops.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But this is a great thing
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: that you do.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: It was awesome.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: I tell you, there's nothing that they appreciate more than
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: to go there and do schmooze with them, take photographs
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: with them, or tell them some jokes. I remember I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: did it with Jay Leno.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: It was hit or miss. There we are right there. Oh, man,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: look at that. Look at that team. A couple of
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Ku Klux Sands men. That's the joke I made. Pretty
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: good joke. I think it's good.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: When you look at- Do you do that often? Do
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: you do shows for.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I did it for a long time and then I've
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: taken a break recently.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: For troops? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I did it for a long time and then I've
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: taken a break recently, but this really reignited me on it.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: I was actually texting- a couple friends of mine and saying,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: let's go do some just even close bases that are
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: close to us in America. Just whatever we can, let's
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: start to do it a little bit more. And I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: think we're going to start to do it more. So
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited about that. I feel really lucky. I mean,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: my whole job is freedom of speech, right? So it's like,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: if people aren't protecting that, you can't even be a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: comedian in some countries.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. No, I think it's a great idea. And,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: of course, I remember that when I was in my
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: bodybuilding days, I was invited to go on the aircraft carrier, Norfolk, Virginia,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: and to go and train with the sailors and to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: show them how to exercise and all that stuff. It
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: was fantastic.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I bet they loved that.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: It was up there. Ever since then, I really... found
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: it really enjoyable to go if it's down here then
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: there's in diego the pendleton or any of those military
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: bases or if i go to seoul south korea or
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: the japan or anywhere i go middle east i was
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: in kuwait.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: And visiting oh yeah it's fun over there.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Working out with them it's like three four in the morning.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Dude when i work out with them they don't give
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: a shit i'll tell you that.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Well i tell you that uh There's some really serious
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: lifters there.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they do not want to see me do anything.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I usually stand on the side and just drink. I'll
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a protein shake. But when you,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: what about like, was it hard with your whole life?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Was it tough to be like, was it ever tough
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: to be a good husband or be a good dad?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Like if so much of your job takes like your
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: work side of you, because I noticed for me, like
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not married yet. I would like to find a wife,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: but it's hard for me to even find time, you know? Like,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: is it like, were there moments where, because your life
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: gets so big, right? And you've had a big life.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's like you, Arnold, and then the other guy, hey, Arnold,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: he's a fucking drawing, I think, right? So you're like,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: the name is yours, really. Like, does it ever get
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: hard to be a parent or something? Because of how
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: big you're.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Everything that you want to
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: do that is really good, and you want to go
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: all out, it's difficult, it's challenging. But I was very
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: fortunate because I married a woman that understood that I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: have to work. And she didn't complain about it. So
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: we got together and they understood that right away because
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: of the family she came from, the Kennedy family, right?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: So Maria Shriver was like, she understood that all of
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: her- Bobby Kennedy, she related to Bobby Kennedy? Exactly, yeah.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: So if it is John F. Kennedy, if it was
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy Sr., when he ran for president, I mean,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: her father ran for president and for vice president. And
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: all of this. So, so she was used to that.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Everyone has to go out and work. The energy left
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: the house in the morning and they came back late
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: at night. And, or like, for instance, he's been late on,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: you know, was traveling around the world for special Olympics because,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: and her mother was also a workaholic. And so she
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: understood that. And so when, when I was going on location,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: when we had kids, she would go and she would
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: stop her job in, in New York, the NBC job
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: that she was hosting the morning news. And, uh, She
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: will stay home and she will stay with the kids.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: And so this is why we have four terrific kids
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: that we created together. And Patrick, of course, we're very
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: proud of him.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I love his new show.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: So cool.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: He did a great job.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: He did a fantastic job. And Catherine is fantastic and
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: writes books and all this stuff.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: And who are your other two children?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Christina and Christopher. And Christopher is also in show business.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: He's working for a production company. He reads more scripts
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: than I ever read in my whole life. But I mean,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: so it's really great to see older kids then have
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: one son outside the marriage, which is Joseph. And Joseph
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: is also doing terrific in real estate. So it's a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: key thing is to really concentrate on being a participative
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: father when you have kids. Because you got to go,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: they want to see you ski when you go up
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and say, let's go skiing. They don't want you to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: just send them up in the mountains in the cold
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: weather where they freeze their butt off. They want to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: see you sitting on a chairlift, go up with the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: skis and ski with them. So that's what they did.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: So they, of course, they hated it. when they were kids.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: They said, oh, dad, let's go in. I want to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: get a hot chocolate. They said, there is no hot chocolate.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: There's skiing. I said, this is ski mountain, not a
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: hot chocolate mountain. I said, what's the matter with you kids?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: You know, and then they were crying in the chair
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: and the people were going up there and the chairlift
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: and we were skiing down and skiing down for three,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: four hours. And then we had the hot chocolate and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: we had the lunch and all that stuff.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: And now.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: When they go up to Sun Valley and they go skiing,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: they stop me and they say, dad, I just want
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: you to know how much I appreciate that you made
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: us ski. Because now I ski fantastic. I can go
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: down on any run. And they think of you when
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: they do it. That's what I always tell my friends.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: I say, don't just go and take pictures of them skiing. No,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: you put the skis on, you put the ski boots
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: on and you go and do it. It's the same
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: with playing soccer. I was playing soccer with my son.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: And he goes, you got to go and participate in
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: all of this stuff. And so this is what I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: believed in. I went to all the games with my wife. Oh, damn.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: My God, brother. Well, Andy Leibovitz can make anyone look good.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. My gosh. No, but you know what?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I just gathered from some of your things is just
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: the application of self, right? And that you have to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: go get it. You have to go do this, right?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Do you know Bobby pretty good? Bobby Kennedy is a
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: friend of mine.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Bobby, I mean, let me tell you something about Bobby.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's one of my favorite guys. I know him
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: from recovery. We go to recovery meetings together.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: But think about this for a second. I'm running for
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: governor in 2003. And all of a sudden, I get
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: a phone call from Bobby, who I knew very well.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: And Bobby and Joe Kennedy, his brother, his older brother,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: And they were always really kind of nice to me
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: and kind and inclusive and stuff like that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Well, fuck you, you're the damn terminator. They gotta be
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: at least cordial.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: No, no. But I mean, you know, some people are
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: kind of like, oh, who is this new guy coming
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: into the family.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Type of thing. Oh, I see. Especially their family. Cause
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: it's a prestigious thing.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: So, but they were really nice. So Bobby calls me
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: and he says, Arnold, you're Republican. Republicans are not known
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: for their environmental records. He says, I'm an environmentalist. He says, yes,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm the head of the river keepers and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: all that stuff is. And, uh, I have a guide
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: that you should have a new team that can educate
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: you really about the environment. I said, well, think about it.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: It's really nice. I said, who is it? Terry Tamanen.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: He says, let me send him over to your office.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: He sent over Terry Tamanen. We hit it off right
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: away really well. And the next thing I know is, is,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: is we're working together. He's part of the team. And
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: then when it became governor, and I think that contributed
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: to me becoming governor because I saw this whole idea
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: that I want to be environmentally friendly. I want to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: reduce greenhouse gases. I want to get the environment, that
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: renewable energy up in California and all of this stuff.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: So the next thing I said, I become governor. He
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: becomes now Terry Tammen and becomes the head of the
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: EPA and all of this. But this all happened in
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: my knowledge about the environment and all this happened because
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: of Bobby Kennedy. So that's the kind of a guy
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: he is. I mean, he's like, didn't say, oh, you're Republican.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna campaign against you. No, he was 100% on board.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: He wanted to wish me good luck. And he did
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: wish me good luck. And he wanted me to win,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: not because I'm a Republican. He just felt like, oh,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I like Arnold. I wanna help him.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I want the good guy to win, no matter what
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: side he's on.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So that's the kind of a guy Bobby is.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: So I think the world of him.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's cool. We had him on the podcast when
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: everybody was thinking he was kind of crazy during the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: pandemic and stuff. And he was concerned about just people's
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: health and well-being with vaccines and stuff. We had him on.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I've always known him to be just a
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: neat guy. You know, he's my friend. Yeah, I'm excited
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: for him. I'm curious to see what it's like once
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: you get into office. How can you still keep your
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: beliefs or not? Or do things get heavily compromised, do
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: you feel like?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: It is compromised. You have to.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: You have to compromise.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Because the whole world doesn't think exactly like you. Remember
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: what Eisenhower said. Eisenhower said that politics is like the road.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: The left, the right is the gutter. And the center
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: is drivable. And that's exactly the way it is in politics.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: You have to understand that there's a sweet spot. You know,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: like the teacher in golf hit the sweet spot. Or
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: in tennis, they hit the sweet spot. There's a sweet spot.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: to find exactly so he can get a deal made
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: and that he can move things forward. It's not exactly
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: your way. I mean, I remember with the infrastructure, I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: wanted to build $ 100 billion worth of infrastructure, but they
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: only agreed on around $ 60 billion. So I didn't get
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: my way. With the financial situation, I wanted to wipe
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: out the deficit. And I was not able to do
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: that with all these Democrats around. They love to spend money.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: So I was stuck with it. But the fact of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the matter is we could improve the situation and I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: was able to work together with the Democrats on environmental
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: issues and infrastructure issues and so many other healthcare issues,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: so many other issues, education and all of this stuff.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: And we did really fine and had a great time
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: up there being governor of the state of California.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: But it's about compromise. I mean, you've said before that
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: you can't do everything. You can't do it all by yourself, right?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: No, it's not a dictatorship. So you have two parties.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: If ever within your own party, they think differently. So
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: you have to face reality. The trick is just to
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: not hate the other side because they think differently. It's
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of like figuring out how can we work
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: together and how can we do something that's really good
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: for the people. That's the bottom line.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: They just had, do you think we'll ever have a
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Republican governor again in California? Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, if someone has a good program and
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: if someone is organic, I mean, with me, it was
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: possible because I had a great mentor, number one, which
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: was Pete Wilson, who was a governor of California, two terms.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: And he helped me.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Pete Wilson.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Pete Wilson. Yeah. And he helped me, you know,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: with the race a lot. And then I also was
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: organic because, you know, people saw that I did not
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: come out of nowhere where I always said and went
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: from acting to politics. I mean, I had, I was
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: working with special Olympics for decades, going around the world
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: to help special Olympics and to get recognition for them
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: and to be able to do get jobs and to have,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: you know, be able to live anywhere they want and
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: to get into sports, Special Olympics sports programs. nor is powerlifting,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: nor is, so I went always fighting for equality, including
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: in South Africa with Nelson Mandela. We were there together
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: fighting for Special Olympics. So the people in California saw
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: all of that. And also me starting the afterschool programs
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: and having an initiative that I went to the people
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: a year before in 2002, and the people voted 57%
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: in favor of that initiative to help afterschool programs. So
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: I was already in there, and I was working with
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: President Bush being the chairman of the president's council on
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: physical fitness and sports. So I was already giving back
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: and giving back and giving back. So when I said, now,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not interested anymore in just doing another movie, I'm
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: more interested in getting the state of California back on
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: its feet because we had blackouts, we had huge deficits,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: you know, the illegals were getting driver's license. There was
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy stuff that was going on here.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: And I said to myself, you know, the Indian gaming,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: They didn't pay taxes and they did all the gaming
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: and made billions of dollars. And their workers' compensation costs
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: were high and people were moving out with their businesses
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: in California. I said, I will bring California back. No
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: matter how many people were campaigning for Gray Davis, who
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: was governor then. Clinton came out and campaigned for him.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Gore came out. John Kerry came out. Al Sharpton. All
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: of those guys came out to campaign for him. I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: said to Bush, I said, no, no, don't come out.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: I don't need that. It's between me and the voters. Yeah.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: And so I convinced the California people, and that's how
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: I became governor. That's why I got a huge majority
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: of votes. But it was organic. So many of the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: guys come from real estate and they say, well, I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: want to be governor. I have the money now. People
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: don't buy in on that stuff.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Right, you can't just buy it. I don't think you
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: can just buy it. You had Bloomberg tried to do
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: it a few years ago. It didn't work.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be real. And you have to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: be able to have a vision. Remember, again, it goes
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: back to the book, be useful. Rule number one is
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: you have to have a clear vision. You can't just say,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: I want to be governor. What is your vision? If
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: someone sits down and says, what is your vision of
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: your California? Right. Remember that Teddy Kennedy, the problem he had,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: when they asked him, Roger Mudd asked him when he
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: announced to run for president, and Roger Mudd asked him,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: he says, why do you want to be president? Teddy
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: couldn't answer it. You know what I'm saying? So it
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: was like, well, my mother, Rose, she always taught us
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: to give something back. So it didn't work. People didn't
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: buy it. Even though he was a great public servant,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: he did a great job, the senator, but he couldn't
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: sell it. So you have to come out of the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: gate and really be very forceful and let the people know,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: I know what I want to do, and I'm going
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: to fight for you, not fight for me. I don't
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: want to be a political hack. I don't want to
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: be just another Republican that wins the thing. No, I
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: want to fight for you. So that was the whole
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: theme of the campaign.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: They have like, they just had where they found like
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: 20 something billion dollars that was like, it was supposed
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: to be earmarked for homeless help in California that went missing, right?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: How does money go missing once you're in these places,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: do you think? Is it just like people, what does
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: it say? Newsom confronted at press conference about 24 billion
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: spent on tackling homelessness. Like, how does stuff like that,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: and it didn't have to be this specifically, but once
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: you're in office and you see these huge amounts of money,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: how does stuff like that just go by the wayside
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: where it gets, you know, lost or missing, hypothetically, do
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, let me just say, none of
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: those politicians I would want to run my company.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: None of those companies, none of those politicians I would
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: like to hand over my checkbook, my bank account and say,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: you manage it now. Right? So that's where it starts.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: So they're not that smart when it comes to solving problems.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: And so I can totally understand how $ 24 billion is
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: missing because it's wasted. They cannot even show it. They
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: cannot even have any accountability. But this has been going
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: on for 20 years now. We're not talking about just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: for the last few years. This has been going on
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: and on. Everyone has been complaining about the homeless, but
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: they don't create, they don't really tell you that this
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: was created by the politicians, the homelessness.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Did Reagan create it, though?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: No, no. It was created by having people go and say,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: we don't want no growth in California. So when I
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: came over, it was 19, 20 million people in California. Well,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: they built six-lane highways. So now when you go to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: 40 million people, you would know mathematically now you need
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: 12-lane highways, meaning six lanes, and then on top of it,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: you build another freeway, right? so that you don't have
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: traffic congestion. But that's not what they did. Then when
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: you go from 20 to 40 million people, then you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: need twice as many houses. You need twice as many
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: apartment buildings. You need twice as much of everything, schools
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: and everything. And they didn't. They didn't take care of
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: them because the environmentalists thought that if we say no growth,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: then no one will come. But in the meantime, no
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: one gives a shit about that. They come anyway. And
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: then they somehow then live three people in one apartment
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: or five people in one apartment. Or sometimes, you know,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: workers that sometimes live 10 people.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: In one apartment.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: They'll really be laying on each other's backs.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: So then what happens now is when you have a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: limited amount of housing, now the prices rise. So now
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: when the prices go up, the value of the apartment
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: building goes up. So the unit that used to cost
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: $ 600 now costs $ 3, 000 a month. But the salaries, the
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: wages didn't go up accordingly. So now you have people
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: that are economically homeless. They cannot afford paying for their
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: rent anymore. So this is created by the politicians. And
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: now remember what Einstein said, the people that created the
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: problem cannot solve it. So they are doing the same
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: thing over, which is another thing Einstein said. If you
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: try to do the same thing over and over again
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: and expect different results, that's the definition of insanity.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: And it feels like that's where we're living.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: So this is what we're dealing with here. So we have,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: you know, the city here is not able to manage
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: this whole thing. On a state level, we are not
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: able to manage this whole thing. So it's like I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: had to go. I mean, we had the homeless veterans here.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: camping out in front of the Veterans Administration up there
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: in Westwood.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right over there, 405 in Santa Monica.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: In front, right in front of the four years. They're
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: camping out there and no one is helping them. So
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: I went and I started making a deal and I said,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: can we not put inside some houses, little houses? And
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: they said, yes. And we started, I donated the money
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: And we started building houses. And since then, there's now
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: hundreds of houses inside the Veterans Administration. And the homeless
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: are gone. Because they wanted to help the Veterans Administration.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: But it took a while. And the city kept saying, oh,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: it is too difficult to do. And this is really
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: challenging to do. I said, watch that. Within two months,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: we had those houses there. And we created homes for
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: 25 people so they could move in. Just to show
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: to the city, it can be done. Don't give me this,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: it can't be done. Anything can be done if there's
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: a will to it with the whole thing. Amen.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: I have two quick questions for you just about people.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today, Arnold. Thanks
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: for the inspiration. I feel like this has been an
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: inspirational conversation for me. You never know what certain conversations
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: are going to be like. Thanks for your contributions to
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: entertainment and to just, it's evident that you, you know,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: you are the American dream and it made me feel
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: like it is still possible, which I don't know if
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I even felt like that when I started this conversation.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get to meet Michael Landon before?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: You didn't? I love him. He was one of my favorites.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: And did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson before?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: What was he like? Do you have any good, like
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: a cool story about him?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Really nice man. I mean, he was very nice. He
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: came to my trailer several times when I was filming
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: over there in Universal lot, the studio. And then we
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: had also dinner several times. I remember one time with Katzenberg.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: and maybe it was even Katzbeck that organized it. I
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: cannot remember anymore. But I mean, yeah, I mean, he
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: was a wonderful, wonderful guy.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Would he tell stories and stuff like regular people? Because
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: they always make him seem so quiet.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: No, no, he's quiet. And it could be because he
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: wanted to protect his voice. And he was odd.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: No two ways about that. But he was very, very
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: nice and very interesting and fascinated about different things. And
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: he was, many times he also felt like you're talking
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: to a child.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I could see that for sure.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: You know, he would shift into this thing where things
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: that children are really into, you know, kind of like
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: riots and Disney or something like that that he would
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: talk about that really interested him. And so it was
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: kind of a, Interesting thing, but you can see the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: way he grew up and with the amount of fame
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: that he had, how difficult it must have been for
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: him to handle all that.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can't even, yeah.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: To be this genius of a musician. I mean, it's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: like unbelievable. And it's sad that he got addicted to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: this kind of, you know, sleeping thing.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Propofol, I think, or something, yeah.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: And then took too much of it and passed away.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: It was a huge loss for the world because he
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: was just such a fantastic entertainer. Yeah.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll see his children every now and then. I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: cross paths with his daughter every once in a while.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Anything else that you want to share, Roland? I think
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: it's been a good conversation. Do you guys feel like that?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: I think that the key thing is that we pump
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: up while you're airing this interview. that you show every
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: 10 minutes a trailer of- FUBAR? FUBAR.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: And then while I'm talking, you show a little bit
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: of clips again, and then a little bit of that.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Let me help you with the editing, okay?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, I promise you this. I will certainly support it,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: and I'll watch some more of it. I'm going to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: get some of my friends to watch it. We grew
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: up watching just so many of your movies. The Lady
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: with the Three Breasts, remember that one? She was like, God.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, from Total Recall.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I recall those a lot, brother, you know?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Total Recall, yeah.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: And I totaled them up three every time. But thank
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: you for that. That was the first breast I was
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: ever allowed to see a little bit. But thank you
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: so much, man.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It was great. And remember, I hope this is
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: not the last time. They do it again sometimes. Oh, no.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: I would love to do this again.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: That was fun.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you so much. Just
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: say something nice about each one of your children so
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: one day they'll be able to see this really fast.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm proud of all my children. I'm very proud
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: of Catherine. who has three kids now herself, and was
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: writing books. And she's the greatest mother. She's just like
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: her mother, Maria, that was a really fantastic mother. And
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: I'm very proud of her. I'm proud of Christina, who
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: is also into producing and doing TV shows, documentaries, and
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: all that.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Here in Los Angeles?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then, of course, Patrick. Schwarzenegger, you know.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just saw his new show.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: So good. He's doing really well. I'm so happy that
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: his acting career is taking off. You know, this is
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: something that he really was very passionate about always. Christopher
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: is doing a great job. I mean, he just lost
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: 150 pounds. No way. Yeah, so he used to weigh 350.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: He's now down like 210 or something like that.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, he must be feeling so much healthier, huh?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: He feels really great. Works out in Gold's Gym. every day,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: and I know that I'm really proud of him.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: You get to see him there sometimes?
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see him all the time. Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, Joseph is a fantastic human being.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: He's into real estate, he's into acting, and he's going
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: into training, he works out all the time. So I'm
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: really proud of all of them. Yeah. And none of
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: them is into drugs, none of them is into alcohol,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: any of those things. So it's really fantastic to see them.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: And I have also a nephew here. I mean, he's
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: really fantastic.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Patrick Knapp is his name.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Patrick Knapp is his name?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick Knapp, exactly.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: That's Catherine's kids? He's my entertainment lawyer. I mean, so
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: I brought him over from Austria because my brother passed away.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: So this is Patrick right there.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: This is your brother's son?
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: This is my brother's son, yeah.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: So he was three years old when my brother passed away.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: And then so he went to school over there and everything.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Then I brought him over to also go to Santa
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Monica College, go to UCLA. go to Hastings Law School.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: That's your path, Santa Monica to UCLA. That's right, yeah.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Does he remind you of your brother?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. He reminds me a lot of my brother, yeah.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'll bet your brother's super proud of you, man.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: And thank you so much, Arnold, for just all your
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: contributions and for your time today.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: My pleasure.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Yep, you guys go watch FUBAR.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: piece of mind I found.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I can feel it in my bones.