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The Kenny Report | 21 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Love from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Kenny Report tonight. The fight to bring
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  Speaker 1: the ndis under control. Aspect to former INDIS Minister Linda Reynolds,
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  Speaker 1: more bushland and forest destroyed to make way for the
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  Speaker 1: renewable energy roll out. I'll catch up with the man
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  Speaker 1: mapping this around the nation. Jd vance off to Pakistan
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  Speaker 1: for talks with Iran over the war. As Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: promises to finish what's become a very unpopular war in
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  Speaker 1: the US. Christen Tate will join me on that. Two
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  Speaker 1: and a half years after hundreds of young people were
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  Speaker 1: slaughtered at Israel's Nova music festival, other festivals ignore the
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  Speaker 1: innocent victims. All that plus economic mismanagement, horrendous heritage buildings
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  Speaker 1: and old fashioned teachers. With Tim Blair, Cuzi O'Brien and
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Senna Tiempo, let's get into it. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of budget speculation going on at the moment, and most
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  Speaker 1: of it's deeply worrying instead of hearing about how the
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  Speaker 1: government might be able to rain in its record spending,
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  Speaker 1: to get on top of inflation, to stop piling up
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  Speaker 1: the debt, and to protect our children from bearing the
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  Speaker 1: burden of our plot profligacy. Profligacy, I should say, instead
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  Speaker 1: of that, instead of that sort of sensible economic management.
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  Speaker 1: All we're hearing about is new plans to tax us more.
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  Speaker 1: Labor as ever wants to spend like a drunken sailor,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems to think it can break in more
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  Speaker 1: tax dollars without any downside, without any ramifications. This is
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  Speaker 1: economic delusion, of course, it's economic madness. Just like labor
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  Speaker 1: keeps talking about increasing real wages without increasing productivity. Unless
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  Speaker 1: we become more productive, we can't afford higher real wages.
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  Speaker 1: Any increases in wages, we'll just fuel inflation and kill
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  Speaker 1: business and industry. Productivity, of course, is the key, and
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  Speaker 1: most of what labour has done at the behest of
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  Speaker 1: its union masters has only stifled productivity. So we are
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  Speaker 1: on a bad trajectory of low growth, high inflation, high spending,
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  Speaker 1: high debt, wages growth with stagnant productivity, high immigration, with
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  Speaker 1: insufficient housing construction, and high energy costs driven by un
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  Speaker 1: climate posturing. And if you think this can't get worse,
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  Speaker 1: just look at what labor is proposing to do confronted
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  Speaker 1: with a housing crisis. Labour's answer, according to the budget speculation,
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  Speaker 1: is to increase taxes on housing. If you reduce capital gains,
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  Speaker 1: tax discounts and negative gearing on housing. That's just another
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  Speaker 1: way of saying you are increasing taxes on housing if
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  Speaker 1: you want more housing, if you want more people to
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  Speaker 1: invest in housing and build more houses, than increasing taxes
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  Speaker 1: on housing is madness. It'll have the opposite effect. It
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  Speaker 1: will reduce housing supply. And then there's energy. We also
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  Speaker 1: have an energy crisis. We need more liquid fuels, we
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  Speaker 1: need more gas and electricity too, and we need prices
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  Speaker 1: to be lower. At least the opposition understands that the
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  Speaker 1: answer is abundance.
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  Speaker 2: The best stock of fuel is the stock of fuel
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  Speaker 2: that you can be taking out from under the ground
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  Speaker 2: for decades. That's not thirty days of stocks, that's thirty
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  Speaker 2: years plus of stocks.
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  Speaker 1: And that means you have.
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  Speaker 2: To get our explorer is going. You have to incent
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  Speaker 2: them to get out there and to drill and find
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  Speaker 2: those reserves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's as simple as that. We need more energy
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  Speaker 1: at lower prices, so go out and find the resources.
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  Speaker 1: But again, all the budget speculation points to the opposite
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  Speaker 1: approach to Labour wanting to increase taxes on gas.
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  Speaker 2: There's a proposal around for twenty five percent tax which
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  Speaker 2: would close down on the gas industry, and that is
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  Speaker 2: the intent of that tax. Now, right now, we need
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  Speaker 2: more oil and more gas. That way we get affordable
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  Speaker 2: energy in this country. That way we have the fuel
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  Speaker 2: security we need.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good luck to Angus Taylor with that common sense
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  Speaker 1: and sound economics. The alb and easy Labor government wants
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  Speaker 1: to do the opposite. Labour's plan, backed by the Greens
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  Speaker 1: and the Tills, is to spend hundreds of billions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars more expanding our renewable energy, which is intermittent, so
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  Speaker 1: it's expensive to store, and it all needs to be
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  Speaker 1: backed up by generation from you guessed it, fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 1: Our energy self harm is so startling. Now that it's
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  Speaker 1: been noticed in wash Washington.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone sees again how critical energy is. People get complacent
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  Speaker 3: about it. You know, Australia has you know, they just
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  Speaker 3: rely on China in Southeast Asia to deliver them all
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  Speaker 3: their energy resources. But yet Australia is an energy rich country.
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  Speaker 1: Europe.
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  Speaker 3: You could say the same thing about what I am
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  Speaker 3: proud of is the United States today is the largest
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  Speaker 3: exporter of natural gas in the world this month the
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  Speaker 3: next month will probably also be the largest exporter of
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  Speaker 3: crude oil on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the US Energy secretary there, he's their minister for
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  Speaker 1: energy effectively, and he's got more of an idea than
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  Speaker 1: our own minister. And if you doubt the American expertise,
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  Speaker 1: then consider even the recent American experience. I'm old enough
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  Speaker 1: to remember when then Prime Minister John Howard met the
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  Speaker 1: terminator YEP. Twenty two years ago. Howard went to California
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  Speaker 1: to meet the then Governor Arnold Schwarzeneggame and the purpose
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  Speaker 1: of that trip was to push for a gas import
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  Speaker 1: terminal to receive Australian gas off the coast of la
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  Speaker 1: Back then, just two decades ago, the US was running
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  Speaker 1: low on gas and oil and was looking to new
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  Speaker 1: sources to import those resources. But it never needed that
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  Speaker 1: import terminal in the end, because instead the US under
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  Speaker 1: George Bush drilled for more resources and they used new
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  Speaker 1: fracking technology to not only make itself energy independent, but
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  Speaker 1: to become the world's biggest gas exporter, selling more than Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Now that energy agenda has only accelerated under Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And whether you love Trump or loathe him, his administration
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  Speaker 1: knows exactly how these things work.
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  Speaker 3: And hopefully the common sense of the Trump energy agenda
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  Speaker 3: spreads and we see a revitalization of energy, oil and
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  Speaker 3: gas production in Europe, in the nations of Asia. The
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  Speaker 3: world's abundantly full of energy. Let's get rid of the
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  Speaker 3: climate called better energize our world. That's a way for
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  Speaker 3: more prosperity. That's a way for more peace.
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  Speaker 1: Prosperity and peace. What more do you want? Instead of that,
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  Speaker 1: we have a prime minister running around the region pretending
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  Speaker 1: that he's haggling for more fuel, and a Climate and
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  Speaker 1: Energy Minister in Chris Bowen. Yeah, now, just think about
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  Speaker 1: how ridiculous that title. Is. A minister who's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be in charge of the vital supply of energy, the
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  Speaker 1: thing that drives our economy and underpins our lifestyle. But
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  Speaker 1: he's also in charge of the climate, something he can
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  Speaker 1: never have even the tiniest influence over. Anyway. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we have. We have a Climate and Energy Minister, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the nonsense we get from him.
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  Speaker 4: This is a fossil fuel crisis, right, This is a
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  Speaker 4: fossil fuel supply crisis. Our first focus the PM's mind
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  Speaker 4: has been to a secure supply of film to Australia.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean in the longer term, you can't make
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  Speaker 4: the point. The more we sort of transition to renewable energy,
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  Speaker 4: the more sovereign is our capability.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a government that thinks Chinese solar panels and
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  Speaker 1: Chinese turbines and Chinese batteries powering Chinese cars gives sovereign
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  Speaker 1: capability not to China but to us. In Australia. We
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  Speaker 1: are in real strife. We are a ship of fools
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  Speaker 1: heading into stormy waters. Some of you will be aware
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  Speaker 1: that in California we've just had the annual Coachella Music Festival,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to mention something pretty sad about it.
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  Speaker 1: This festival happens each year near Palm Springs in southern California,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a kind of upmarket woodstock. It's woodstock by
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  Speaker 1: Gucci for designer label Hippie. I had to look at
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  Speaker 1: the headline acts this year and believe me, unless you're
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  Speaker 1: into Justin Bieber or Sabrina po Carpenter, it's probably wasn't
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  Speaker 1: your thing. Now. The reason I want to mention it
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  Speaker 1: this year is because of the anti Israeli stuff we
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  Speaker 1: continue to see around the world, and the anti Semitism
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  Speaker 1: and the blatant misinformation about Israel, the hatred directed at
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  Speaker 1: its people, and the inhumane efforts to unremember the Israeli
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  Speaker 1: victims of terrorism, war and of the October seventh atrocities. Now,
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  Speaker 1: all innocent victims deserve to be remembered. And New York
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  Speaker 1: band The Strokes certainly made sure that Palestinian victims of
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  Speaker 1: war were remembered at Coachella while portraying Israel as the aggressor.
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  Speaker 1: But it was who was not mentioned that was brought
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  Speaker 1: to my attention. Remember, of course, that some of the
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  Speaker 1: worst atrocities of October the seventh, twenty twenty three happened
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  Speaker 1: at the Nova Music Festival in southern Israel, when terrorists
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  Speaker 1: attacked young music fans partying for peace and a warning,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you some of this stuff. It's horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was the Nova Music Festival that was
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  Speaker 1: the EPI center for widespread atrocities on that day. I've
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  Speaker 1: been to that site and seen the memorials and met survivors.
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  Speaker 1: So I was taken aback last night when I saw
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  Speaker 1: a post by Israeli blogger and charity worker a Ron schoenfielled.
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  Speaker 1: Over the last two weeks, my feed has been full
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  Speaker 1: of Coachella, he said, main stage clips, headline artists, thinking,
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  Speaker 1: the crowd, the whole machine, doing what it does every April,
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  Speaker 1: and I keep waiting waiting for one artist to say
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  Speaker 1: the word Nova from the stage. Yeah, here are young
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  Speaker 1: people celebrating music like the young Israelis were at Nova
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  Speaker 1: and having fun like the Israelis were at Nova. Only
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  Speaker 1: almost four hundred Israelis from Nova couldn't be at Coachella
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  Speaker 1: or any festival or any place this year because they
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  Speaker 1: were slaughtered. Aron went on to make his point explicitly
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  Speaker 1: waiting for one festival to hold thirty seconds of silence.
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  Speaker 1: He posted, waiting for one headliner, any headliner, to acknowledge
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  Speaker 1: that two and a half years ago, three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy eight people were murdered at a music festival in
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  Speaker 1: southern Israel for doing the exact thing that their crowd
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  Speaker 1: was doing that night. Nothing. Not at Coachella, not at Glastonbury,
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  Speaker 1: not at Glastonbury, not at Lollapalooza, not at Primavera, not
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  Speaker 1: at any of the festivals, the hundreds of festivals that
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  Speaker 1: have happened since October the seventh, it does seem inconceivable
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  Speaker 1: that at these music festivals they wouldn't show solidarity, not
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  Speaker 1: remember those murdered by Islamist extremers at Nova, by terrorist
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  Speaker 1: outfits that would do the same at Coachella if only
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  Speaker 1: they could get there. It shows how desperately so many people,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the arts, want to unremember the Israeli victims.
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  Speaker 1: It's an obscene act of neglect and indifference. But let
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  Speaker 1: me end on something positive. This year we saw the
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  Speaker 1: first Israeli performer at Coachella, Niga Erarors.
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  Speaker 5: Men where you look at sickness glow.
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  Speaker 1: Eraors resisted threats and abuse but still performed. And she
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  Speaker 1: said she had some universal universal sentiments and avoided the politics.
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  Speaker 2: And I come from a very.
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  Speaker 6: Very very complex part of this planet, and to get
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  Speaker 6: us all here doing this was too kind of like
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  Speaker 6: forces that I didn't.
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  Speaker 7: Know that I had.
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  Speaker 8: At the same time, I'm just.
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  Speaker 9: Heartbroken and sad because of things that are happening at
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  Speaker 9: home and around it. I just love this music things
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  Speaker 9: so much, and right now we're doing this thing is
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  Speaker 9: exactly what I'm doing it for is to put a
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  Speaker 9: bunch of strangers together and make them feel like a
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  Speaker 9: family united around something.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much for giving me this.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing it.
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  Speaker 5: This is Walchelda.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, she was there all right, and Israeli made it.
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  Speaker 1: But those who were killed at Nova and those who
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  Speaker 1: had taken hostage, they deserved to be mentioned there too.
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  Speaker 1: Labor will announce reforms to the National Disability Insurance Scheme tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: as we've been saying for years, it's long overdue. With
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  Speaker 1: predictions the scheme will have one million participants and cost
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  Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars a year by twenty thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the Treasurer Jim Chalmers speaking yesterday.
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  Speaker 10: The NDIS is growing too fast for Australians to afford.
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  Speaker 10: The NDIS that we have today is not in highly
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  Speaker 10: consistent with the ways that we thought about it at
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  Speaker 10: the start.
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  Speaker 1: Former NDIS Minister Linda Reynolds wrote in The Australian yesterday
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  Speaker 1: the NDIS is losing the support of Australians and hurtling
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  Speaker 1: towards fiscal and operational collapse. Linda Reynolds joins me in
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  Speaker 1: Our Lives from Perth. Good to talk to you again, Linda,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about hurtling towards fiscal and operational collapse. How
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  Speaker 1: could it collapse operationally?
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  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, the scheme has become so complex. It basically
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  Speaker 11: was flawed from its inception, and rather than working on
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  Speaker 11: a multi partisan basis, the governments of the day, various
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  Speaker 11: governments chose to review and make piecemeal reforms that actually
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  Speaker 11: made the scheme more and more complex, rather than fixing
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  Speaker 11: the problems that actually ailed it, and that has continued
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  Speaker 11: over the course of the last four years.
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  Speaker 12: So when I became minister five.
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  Speaker 11: Years ago, it was crystal clear that the scheme was
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  Speaker 11: uncontrollable for two reasons. One is that the legislation was
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  Speaker 11: fatally flawed and hadn't been corrected. And the second one
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  Speaker 11: was the intergovernmental agreements with states and territories which allowed
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  Speaker 11: them to walk away and say you're the extra cost
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  Speaker 11: is your problem, not ours, and that has has continued on.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to say I always thought this scheme would
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  Speaker 1: be problematic. I thought when Labor proposed it back in
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  Speaker 1: the Regulard years, the opposition should have opposed it, although
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  Speaker 1: you probably can have stopped it, because I thought the
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  Speaker 1: sure we want to see the best services for people
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  Speaker 1: with disabilities. But I thought it was better to let
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  Speaker 1: the state governments handle it because they're closer to the
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  Speaker 1: action and they could manage this state by state. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: we have this vast new federal infrastructure, and it was
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  Speaker 1: always going to be rooted and always going to be problematic.
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  Speaker 1: But having said that, let's try and tackle a couple
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  Speaker 1: of key issues where you'll have some great insight. One
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  Speaker 1: of those, as you just mentioned, is the agreements with
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  Speaker 1: the states. If you're going to have this big federal scheme,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a system where the states are able
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  Speaker 1: to help more people get on it, but then they
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  Speaker 1: don't pick up any of the financial responsibility. How can
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  Speaker 1: you make it more directly accountable in that way?
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  Speaker 11: Well, there's two options now before the federal gup, before
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  Speaker 11: the labor government.
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  Speaker 12: One is to take over the.
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  Speaker 11: Scheme so it is only the responsibility and there one
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  Speaker 11: decision maker, which is a federal government.
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  Speaker 12: So that's one option which they could pursue.
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  Speaker 11: The second one is to change the legislation so that
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  Speaker 11: the federal government can actually make changes. And the second
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  Speaker 11: thing that they need to do, as I said, is
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  Speaker 11: to completely change the agreement with States and territories. But
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  Speaker 11: the history of this Chris is really important. So when
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  Speaker 11: the NDIS was suggested, I loved it. I like perhaps you,
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  Speaker 11: but I loved it because it was such a liberal congo.
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  Speaker 11: It wasn't conceived as just another welfare scheme that treated
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  Speaker 11: everybody the same. It was an insurance actuarial based scheme
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  Speaker 11: for individuals no fault, who would get supports to lift
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  Speaker 11: them out of the squalor that many people were living
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  Speaker 11: in in the state and territory systems. So the states
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  Speaker 11: and territories had failed and a lot of our most
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  Speaker 11: vulnerable Australians with serious disabilities were living in Charles Dickens
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  Speaker 11: like facilities.
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  Speaker 12: Only fifteen years ago.
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  Speaker 11: So this was a scheme that would give them the supports,
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  Speaker 11: gives them choice and control over their own.
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  Speaker 12: Lives, and get the supports nothing more and nothing less
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  Speaker 12: than they actually needed.
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  Speaker 11: And as an insurance based scheme, it was supposed to
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  Speaker 11: be financially responsible and live within its means. But that's
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  Speaker 11: not the scheme that was set up and unfortunately it
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  Speaker 11: is completely moved away from that.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 11: That is not the problem of the staff, but it
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  Speaker 11: is the problem of successive governments and to fix it
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  Speaker 11: is going to take time, but it's going to take
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  Speaker 11: a plan crease.
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  Speaker 12: And that's what I want to.
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  Speaker 11: See from the federal government tomorrow from Minister Butler is
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  Speaker 11: what is the plan.
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  Speaker 12: To transform the scheme into what it was designed to do?
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  Speaker 12: And just two other quick things, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: At the time the NDIS was established, there were two
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  Speaker 11: other key reforms that were supposed to happen. The second thing,
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  Speaker 11: in addition to the NDIS was a national Injury insurance scheme,
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  Speaker 11: which again was supposed to be no fault national scheme,
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  Speaker 11: so anybody who had an accident over the course of
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  Speaker 11: their life, not just moti vehicle accident, but you know,
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  Speaker 11: falling off a ladder, a medical accident, or injury, or
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  Speaker 11: in many of the other ways that we can injure ourselves.
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  Speaker 11: That was supposed to be schemed for those people, and
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  Speaker 11: that was never implemented.
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  Speaker 12: Additionally, states and territories undertook they undertook.
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  Speaker 11: To deliver the support for the three and a half
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  Speaker 11: plus million other people with lesser degree of disabilities and
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  Speaker 11: provide them the support they needed in schools and in
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  Speaker 11: the community, and they never did that either, which has
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  Speaker 11: put unsustainable pressure on a fatally flawed scheme.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you say, is so complex, and I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you. If it was an insurance scheme where people
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  Speaker 1: effectively had a pull of money that they could spend
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  Speaker 1: and spend it wisely that that would be a much
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  Speaker 1: better outcome. Instead, it's said it's just a government cash
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  Speaker 1: poll that people can raut. But the other factor that
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to address, and it is to
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  Speaker 1: clamp down on eligibility. Surely we're seeing so many young
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  Speaker 1: boys in particular being diagnosed with autism at a certain
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  Speaker 1: level that attracts all sorts of funding through NDIS. There
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  Speaker 1: must be other areas too with it. Just need to
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  Speaker 1: be tighter as to who's eligible and perhaps means test
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  Speaker 1: all of it.
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  Speaker 12: Two things.
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  Speaker 11: First of all, I do not agree with means testing
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  Speaker 11: because means testing makes it fair and square.
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  Speaker 12: What labor love best a good welfare system.
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  Speaker 11: So the universality of this scheme, and I think for
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  Speaker 11: your viewers, think about if any of us have a
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  Speaker 11: motor vehicle accident. Under most state and territory schemes, we're
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  Speaker 11: automatically covered and we get assessed for support that we
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  Speaker 11: need for our individual injuries. And that's what the NDIS
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  Speaker 11: was supposed to be for our most sort of It
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  Speaker 11: was estimated three hundred and fifty four hundred thousand Australians
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  Speaker 11: with the most severe and permanent injuries and illnesses.
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  Speaker 12: Would get this scheme.
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: So if you look at it the other way, go
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: back to what was intended and over time reduce the
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: scheme down to those with the most serious and permanent disabilities,
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: they then get the support they were supposed to and
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: they can live their lives of lives respect and they
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: can realize their individual aspirations which they couldn't do previously.
• 22:05
  Speaker 12: And then everybody else.
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: So those.
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: With autism, with developmental delay, with less severe psychosocial illness
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: need to be translated back into the community and provided
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: the support that the governments were supposed to do.
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: State and territory.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that should get help, but not on the NDIS.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: It's a mess. We'll see what Mark Butler comes up
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: with tomorrow. Thanks so much for joining us. Lindon and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the Reynolds there the former Liberal Senator for West Australia
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and NDIS minister back in the day five years ago.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Tim Burn now from the Daily Telegraph.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Catch up with him in the Wimber and Tim I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: love your column this week targeting I'll make Paul Keating.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I'll just remind people what Paul Keating had to say
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about Angus Taylor's statement on immigration last week. We showed
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: it on the program on Thursday. He said the Liberal
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Party battling an extreme version of itself. One nation has
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: again fallen back to its default political political policy of racism.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Sitting beside Taylor at his policy launch was mister racial
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: opportunism himself, John Winston Howard late of anti Asian migration
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, the picket fence suburban racism of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: his first round as Liberal leader. I mean this is
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: just bile, isn't it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: Oh?
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, And just by the way, as quickly, I've apparently
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: borrowed a shirt from Linda Reynolds. Apologies for that. But
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: with mister Keating and his complaints about white picket fences
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: and suburban racism, racism, he's been saying this for thirty
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: or forty years now, and is he not aware? And
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: perhaps he isn't aware the makeup of Australia has changed
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: a great deal during that time because of immigration and
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: a lot of people who are moving to one nation,
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: or who are still voting conservative or moving towards conservatism. Whatever.
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: They're either immigrants or the children of immigrants. Australia was
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: an immigrant community that is largely at the moment deciding
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: that we've got too many additional emigrants. It's not anti immigration.
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: It's the numbers, it's the peak arrivals. It's the assimilation
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: that is the complaint. It's nothing to do like if
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: Kenning wants to talk about racism so on, he's sounding
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: even older than he is, which is pretty damn old.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but doesn't he also understand that those sort of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: attacks over the years, so especially relating to border protection
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: issues and the likely that's just been counterproductive because of course,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: as you point out, most Australians don't think like this,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: So instead of attacking the liberals, he's effectively attacking mainstream Australia.
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: Oh one hundred percent. And as well, what we've seen
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: is labor have moved towards the liberals position over the years.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: You know, it's not so many years ago that labor
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: was massively against you know, offshore treatment and so on,
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: and they've had to come around to it. They've had
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: to recognize that it's a lot more humane to deny
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: people the access to Australia that it is to encourage
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: them to come and kill them at sea, which is
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: what was happening under the Gillard and rug governments.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And just by the way, Keating seems to have a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: very dim view of the suburbs. He came from Bankstown.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Most Australians live in suburban Australia. He seems to think
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it's a terrible concept as he sits there at Potts Point.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: What is the matter with suburban Australia, Like, I've never
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: got this this and it's shared by a lot of
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: Keatings kind of I guess you'd say his class, his cohort,
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: this sort of inner city cosmopolitan elite who just have
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: it in for the suburbs. I mean, seriously, the suburbs
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: are paying your way, Paul. It's their taxes that have
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: been They have been kicking in for the best part
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: of your entire professional life, so you know, a bit
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: of respect.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He might be living at Pott's Point, but he's doing
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: it on suburban money. On I want to have a
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: look at this Fara by election where it looks like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you know, the sort of Till type independent backed by
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the left, no doubt could get Up a battle between
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: them and One Nation Get Up of funding them with
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars funding. Here's one of their ads.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I congratulate Senator Trump and the United States.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: One Nation supports Trump over your family pot One Nation mast. Yeah,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so interesting to see how this plays out.
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: It's interesting that Get Up, who were basically, if you
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: look at their financials recently, I thought they would have
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: been after donations rather than handing them out, rather than
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: running a campaign. They'd be campaigning for their own existence.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: It's an intriguing ad too, because it's very nineteen eighties.
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: It's very old school, you know, labor or liberal stared
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: political ad, you know, scary voiceover. This is going to happen.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: It might be get Up's last sort of swing as well,
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: because as I say that, the numbers aren't looking great
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: these days from all accounts, and if this, if they're
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: going to be using the Trump line, it's got a
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: hint of the last throw about it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Let's see how Yeah, they've kind of been replaced by
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the Tills. Get Up, the hard left and the Tills
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: emerging into one and now they'll be now they'll all be.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what color you get when you when
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you mix up and get ups orange with the tills,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: but we'll see.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: I think the color is is what you see on
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: the footpath outside of pub leader.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Joining us, Tim, we'll catch up with you later in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the week. We better go to a breakdown on the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: other side of that. We're going to talk about how
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the bush land is being destroyed to make way still
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: for so much more of the renewable energy rollout. Let's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: get back to how Labour's green dream and the environmental
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: damage that it's doing to get to net zero. Environmentalist
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and photographer Stephen Nawakowski has shared some new vision from
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: construction of the Lotus Creek wind farm in the Central
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Queensland renewable Energy zone at the top of the map
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: on your screen between Rockhampton and McKay. Take a look
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: at this. Let's go to Stephen Nilkowski now in Queensland.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, against Stephen, It's incredible to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: see this scarring of the landscape ongoing and you're spending
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of time documenting it for the country.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: That's right, what I see happening across the nation, in
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: particularly Queensland is atrocious, abhorrent behavior. This should not be
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: happening in this day and age. If climate, if the
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: climate issue is such a big issue, well then you
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: think the solution is by keeping trees in the ground,
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: keeping wilderness intact, keeping biodiversity intact. But what we're seeing
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: is the exact opposite. We are blasting out mountains left,
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: right and center, right down in the Great Dividing Range
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: of Queensland. And what scares me and many others that
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: know what's going on is that this is just the
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: tip of the iceberg. You know, when there's another well
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: over five thousand wind towers proposed. That footage you see there,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: all those mountains in the distance, they're all going to go.
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: So they're all being flattened right now as we speak,
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: all those mountains off in the distance.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: That's scarring. It's incredible to see. I mean, you make
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: such a good point. We do actually have a carbon
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: pollution reduction machine that's called a tree. And the more
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you knock out, of course, the less so they're going
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to sequest the CO two and produce oxygen. But also
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that when you show us that vision of those ridge stops,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: being bulldozed and areas of forest cleared, when there's already
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of these wind farms in place, but so
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: many more planned. And they're right along that ridgeline, right
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: along close to the coast, right up the east coast,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: along the Great Dividing Range. It's got to be endless.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Well, that's right, And that's what scares me the most
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: is that there is no endpoint because to try to
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: electrify everything is completely impossible, and we're going to destroy
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: the environment and destroy our economy, destroy manufacturing and everything
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: to try to achieve what the government is trying to achieve.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: All go as far as to say this is the
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: biggest policy failure of our lifetime.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Now, it's actually terrible, there's no doubt about that. I've
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: come to that conclusion myself because of the fact that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: we're doing all this, we're spending all this money, we're
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: wreaking this environmental damage, and yet the system still won't work.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: We're still going to need fossil fuels to back up
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the renewables, which is why I know you agree that
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: what we should be doing is going to compact the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: nuclear arrangements where we have a reliable nuclear energy and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: without all this environmental damage, but labor won't look at that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I was just interested, Steven to see you feature in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the Spotlight documentary on Sunday night. I highlighted that on
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the program here last night. People have gone off and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: watched that online. Now, it was good to see you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: getting that message out to the mainstream. It seems incredible,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: but a large sections of the Australian community just don't
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: know that this is going on because it's not seen
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: often enough in the commercial media, let alone the ABC.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, that's right. It was great to have a
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: mainstream TV station cover this issue. It's long overdue. In
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: actual fact, you could do a six part or ten
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: part mini series focusing on all the different issues environmental destruction,
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: loss of high value agricultural land, grid stability, the cost
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: of all this, the material material resources that are required
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: to try to achieve this. There's a lot many more
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: issues to be covered, and I'm hoping that this program
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: might have opened the box for other commercial stations to
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: take an interest in what's going on and cover more
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: aspects of this issue, because, like I said, it's one
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: of the biggest, biggest issues that I think that we'll
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: see in our lifetime, and there's just so many communities
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: out there suffering. So, for example, there's around one hundred
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: and eighty community groups around Australia that are now actively
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: engaged in pushing back against projects in their regions.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we've spoken to quite a number of those and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: we'll keep following this issue. Steven, thanks so much for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: joining us. One hundred and eighty groups, one hundred and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: eighty groups pushing back against these renewable and transmission projects
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in their part of the country. It's just a scandal
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: what's going on. That vision from Stephen is just extraordinary.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: We've got to take a break. On the other side,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about jd Vance, the US Vice President after
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Pakistan for talks with Iran soon as Donald Trump promises
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to finish this war and strike an historic deal. Kristen
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Tate will join me now. Each year we love bringing
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you the Nanny State Awards thanks to the Center for
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Independent Studies. Now they've launched a new award, the Heritage Howsers,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: showcasing the most questionable heritage listings and proposals right around
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the country. Joining me now is Peter Tulip from the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Center for Independent Studies, Peter, thanks for joining us. We're
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: going to go through the Heritage Howlers for this inaugural year,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: but tell us why you wanted to highlight this issue.
• 33:31
  Speaker 14: Australia's got a housing crisis and part of the problem
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: is that we're locking away a lot of unremarkable in
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: fact in some ugly buildings that they're being preserved by
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: their heritage.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: So we whack heritage listings and all sorts of buildings
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and this helps to styiny development, including for the new housing.
• 33:50
  Speaker 14: And it's partly stopping the new housing bit. Often what
• 33:53
  Speaker 14: is being preserved isn't especially remarkable or interesting. No one
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: disagrees with reserving really important or really old buildings or
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: attractive buildings, but that's not what's happening. Actually, the heritage
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: system is run amok. They're preserving a lot of as
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: we'll see, fairly ugly buildings.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: We had a lot to choose from. What we're going
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to go through now is the three prize winners. The
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: top three will start with the third place and coming
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: third the bronze medal and the Heritage Howlers is the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: MLC building in North Sydney. Tell us about why this
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: was listed.
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: Oh, I think they figured, you know, if you turned
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: a filing cabinet into an.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Office block, how should it look.
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: So this building is preserved for its architectural distinctiveness.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Notable for its early use of glass curtain wall. It
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: was the first high rise office block in North Sydney's
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Business district when it was completed in nineteen fifty seven.
• 34:54
  Speaker 14: So they say it's architecturally distinctive. To me, it looks
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: like two rectangles together. The many of us think these
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: buildings are not that attractive.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Heritage listed from nine to fifty seven. Let's go to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the silver medal winner the second place, and this is
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the Merybeck Victoria and Sydney's in a west. It's electricity substations.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Can you believe that? In Merybeck in Victoria and another
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: one in the Inner West of Sydney they have listed
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: these substations historically significant for their association with the establishment
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and development of the Brunswick electricity supply network.
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: I think an electricity substation is one of the very
• 35:39
  Speaker 14: few buildings that's actually improved by letting teenage run am
• 35:43
  Speaker 14: up with their spree cans. There.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, as a heritage listed electricity substation.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: This is madness.
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: I one of the purposes of heritage system, if it
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: was working well, would be to preserve a tractive buildings
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: and increased neighborhood amenity. I think preserving electricity subsessions does
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: the exact opposite.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly heritage. Let's go to the winner, the gold medal
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: in the Heritage Howlers this year. It's a seven story
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: car park at the corner of Gratton and Cardigan Streets
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in Carlton in Victoria. It's listed as a heritage building
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: because of its local aesthetic significance and its representative value
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: as a car park. It's striking, robust and bold. It's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a bloody ugly car park.
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: This is a cultural treasure, Chris. Some people just see
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: this is who we are, where we came from, what
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: keeps us, what we have in common. That's what heritage
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: should be about. But a multi story car park, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: think is even uglier than an electricity substation.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: It's just incredible to see people trying for heritage listening
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: for those buildings. Thanks for bringing them to us, Peter,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I agree with that gold medal winner.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I agree the worst of them is the car park.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Honestly the heritage listed ugly car park. Now I'm going
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to cross to our US contributor to Christian Tata in
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: just a moment. But first the US President Donald Trump.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: He's been busy overnight on truth social again, posting that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the deal that we are making with Iran will be
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: far better than the Iran nuclear deal penned by Barak
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Hussein Obama and sleepy Joe Biden. One of the worst
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: deals ever made having to do with the security of
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: our country. It was a guaranteed road to a nuclear weapon,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: says Donald Trump, which will not and cannot happen with
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the deal that he's working on. It's a deal. If
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a deal happens under Trump, says Trump, it will guarantee peace,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: security and safety not only for Israel and the Middle East,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: but for Europe, America and everywhere else. It's understood now
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that Vice President jd Vance will head to Islamabad soon
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: for more talks with Iran. So I asked Kristen Tye
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: what she thought of these prospects.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Yes, look, of course I would like to be optimistic here,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: but it's a little difficult too, I will say. In
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Trump's statement, He's absolutely correct about the previous administrations, which
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: were extremely weak in dealing with role. I will also
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: give the president credit. He is an incredible deal maker.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Years ago, before before Trump ever entered politics, I read
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Art of the Deal and he laid out what essentially
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: has become his foreign policy playbook in that book he
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: wrote many decades ago. It's incredible. So you know, if
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: anyone can get this done, perhaps it is Trump. And
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I will tell you patients is running very thin for
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: this in the United States, and I do fear voters
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: are starting to kind of lose the thread and lose
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: hope in Trump and the administration when it comes to
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: this issue.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet that's the case, because in the rest
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: of the world, the impatients and the dread is very
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: very strong. I think one of the problems here Christian
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: is people see this through rational terms. People assume that
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with a rational actor. Of course, we expect
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: America and Israel, and the European nations and Australia to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: all act rationally, but you can't expect that of Iran.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Iran is an Islamist theocracy. It is run by people
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: who are religious extremists. They believe they're on some sort
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of holy mission to rid the world of Israel and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Jews and the great Satan America. So it's very hard
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, even if he's talking about the art
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: of the deal, to deal with people who are irrational.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and it's even more difficult for people
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: here in the United States and these western countries to
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: grasp that because we're so far removed from it. I
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: will say, I talk to a lot of voters of
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: different political stripes, and what I keep hearing, Chris, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: people are having trouble following what the latest is in
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: this conflict. People are asking me what happened to the
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: bread and butter issues that we all lined up for
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: and voted for Trump to take care of. We've got
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: crime in our cities. I just read a report today
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: ten percent of all births in the US our anchor
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: baby berths. We have, you know, all these problems with immigration.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Trump definitely helped with, you know, closing the border, but
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: there's still a lot more to be done. There's still
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: a lot of inflation going on. We're paying over four
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: dollars a gallon of gas. People are starting to say, Okay, yes,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: we totally support Israel. We don't want it on to
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: get a nuclear weapon, obviously, but this is really starting
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: to overshadow the real issues that formed a once in
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: a generation coalition really that voted for Donald Trump and
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: got into office a second time in a non consecutive term,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: and people are getting very frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's just expand on that point, because I want
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to go to Kamala Harris, of course, the woman that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump bait at the last presidential election. She's seeing
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the political opportunity here in her criticism of the war
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  Speaker 1: and Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 13: Have a look, he entered a war, got pulled into
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: it by Bibntna, who, let's be clear about that entered
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  Speaker 13: a war that the American people do not want putting
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  Speaker 13: at risk American service members.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be a line that resonates with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of voters, isn't it Christian? Whether it comes from
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris or anyone else.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And unbelievably, she's saying the same things there that
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: I'm hearing a lot of right wing influencers, politicians and
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: pundits saying, Now, do I think Kamala Harris would do
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: a better job leading our nation in this conflict. Absolutely not.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: You give me the choice between Kamala and Donald Trump,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: I'm going with Donald Trump any day. However, Yeah, these
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  Speaker 5: lines are absolutely resonating. She is saying what so many
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Americans are thinking, regardless of whether it off The Democrats
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: would handle this issue better, which you know, of course
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think they would. They haven't in the past.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: But yeah, this is this is going to be used
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: to hammer Donald Trumps and the Republicans more broadly, had
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: of a really critical midterm election coming right up.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those mid tens are going to be fascinating, depending
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: of course, on what happens in the Middle East in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the coming weeks and dare we say it months. I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: want to go to some energy advice. The energy debate
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: is palpable here in Australia, where we are an energy
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: rich nation. We've tenned ourselves into an energy basket case
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: because of our dreams of a zero world, our delusion
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: about saving the planet, even though we're one percent of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: global emissions. Your Energy secretary had some very good advice
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  Speaker 1: for Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look Australia has you know, they just rely
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: on China in Southeast Asia to deliver them all their
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: energy resources. But yet Australia is an energy rich country.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: The world's abundantly full of energy. Let's get rid of
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: the climate cult better energize our world. That's a way
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: for more prosperity. That's a way for more peace.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Get rid of the climate called get into some shape
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: affordable energy. Can we borrow your energy secretary and swamping
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: out here? You can have Chris Bowen lba's energy minister instead.
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  Speaker 6: No, thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys have insane goals for net zero by
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: twenty fifty or something, and it's really harming the country.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, your country is just so uniquely rich
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: in energy, and it's just it's painful to hear about
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: how that's not being utilized and taken advantage of. I
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: will say we do have issues with this here in
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: the United States as well, especially on the state level.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: I live in Massachusetts, and I mean the green mandates
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: in just that one little state drive up energy costs
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: through the roof for residents there. So I feel your pain.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: But yeah, of course, you know it's it's these these
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: mandates are just hurting working class people as usual.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: You should be grateful, Kristin, because the greens and the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: teals and the labor rights in Australia are saving your planet.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Thank you. That's so much for the expensive energy.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Kristin, We'll catch you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: next week.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Chris.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll have a panel with Susie and Steven.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about how many of us in Australia at
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the moment are not too happy with the way things
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: are going, and we'll also reminisce about old fashioned teachers
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and go away. Let's catch up with Susio o' brien,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: News Corps National Education editor joining us from Melbourne, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: of course Steven Senna Tempo to Doble see breakfast host
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in Canberra. Good to speak to both of you. Although
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be too happy, I guess I'm noticing this
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: story from the Australian National University, a survey about how
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: satisfied we are, and for the first time, Susie, it
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: says more than half of us. More of us are
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: dissatisfied with the country's direction then are satisfied with it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty ominous outlook.
• 45:07
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I know, my kids blame my generation. I'm sure
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: lots of other people do.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Too.
• 45:11
  Speaker 12: This is just extraordinary.
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  Speaker 15: For the first time, fifty nine percent of people say
• 45:16
  Speaker 15: that they feel a bit worse off than fifty years ago,
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: and fifty eight percent say they have no confidence that
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: things are going to get.
• 45:24
  Speaker 12: Better in the next fifty years. Is this the first
• 45:27
  Speaker 12: time that this kind.
• 45:28
  Speaker 15: Of outcome has ever been seen? That we're doing worse,
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: worse on health outcomes, worse on optimism, worse on happiness
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: than the generation is before us.
• 45:38
  Speaker 12: It's awful.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: It is a worry, and there's something logical about it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: This is not silly, this is not irrational, Steve, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I'm very conscious of this as a father of four boys.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I know as I think back through my family history,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I know every generation got a better go We all did,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: and we all lived in better times. And I don't
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: have that confidence about the future for my children.
• 46:07
  Speaker 16: No, And I don't think it's surprise should be as
• 46:09
  Speaker 16: a surprise to anybody, because you know, we are living
• 46:12
  Speaker 16: in a time where we've never been governed worse than
• 46:15
  Speaker 16: we are. Our economy is tanking for no particular good
• 46:17
  Speaker 16: reason it shouldn't. We've got a political class that is
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: just completely out of touch with the people. They're supposed
• 46:23
  Speaker 16: to represent, and we're coming off the back of a
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: generation of people that are generally less resilient and have
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: a more pessimistic outlook in general. You know, once upon
• 46:33
  Speaker 16: a time we were taught to sort of suck it
• 46:35
  Speaker 16: up and get on with life. But we're now talking
• 46:37
  Speaker 16: about a bunch of kids that can't do that. They're
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: not equipped with the skills to do that. So there's
• 46:41
  Speaker 16: no wonder that they think the future is going to
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: look even worse than it is now. I'm going to
• 46:44
  Speaker 16: say I'm not surprised that people think that it's worse
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: now than it was in the past. I'm not as
• 46:49
  Speaker 16: pessimistic about the future as some others might be. But
• 46:52
  Speaker 16: it's interesting if you couple this with the news dot
• 46:55
  Speaker 16: com dot Au Great Debate survey today that found that
• 46:59
  Speaker 16: most people will think that the most entitled generations are
• 47:02
  Speaker 16: Gen Z and Baby boomers. So maybe that says something
• 47:05
  Speaker 16: about it. And Susie's right that her kids blame her generation.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're too entitled. I'll tell you what though, Debt
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: is a big part of this for my mind, Susiani.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: In the budget, we'll hear Jim Charmers and Anthony Albertiz.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: He try to tell it, they'll be throwing out more
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: money to their targeted groups, saying that they're looking to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: get rid of any sort of intergenerational one fairness. But
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the most unfair thing is to have all this spending
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: locked in and all this debt because we're not paying
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: for that. Now kids are going to be burdened with that.
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, this is generational debt. Generationally transmit a
• 47:41
  Speaker 15: debt one hundred and forty three billion dollars in cumulative
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: debt by the time the federal budget gets handed down
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: next month.
• 47:50
  Speaker 12: It's just extraordinary.
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: And you know, we're in a position now where experts
• 47:54
  Speaker 15: are saying that like there's one in two chants now
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: of a serious recession. Unemployed him at nine percent something
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: like that is projected, House prices through the floor, inflation
• 48:06
  Speaker 15: through the roof. No wonder young people particularly are so
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: you know, feeling so overwhelmed by the future because the
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: present is looking pretty damn dire as well.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a worry, I tell you what.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Talking about people who should be worried about the future.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: How about the UK Prime Minister Kerestarma. Here he is
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: in the House of Commons last night trying to deal
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: with this controversy over Lord Mandelssohn.
• 48:31
  Speaker 17: The Foreign Office officials who made that decision did not
• 48:35
  Speaker 17: pass this information to me. It's beggars belief that throughout
• 48:41
  Speaker 17: the whole timeline of events, officials and the Foreign Office
• 48:46
  Speaker 17: saw fit to withhold this information.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: He's toasters and he, Stephen, he's got to be.
• 48:54
  Speaker 16: You know, when you start to throw the bureaucrats under
• 48:56
  Speaker 16: the bus, you know you've got to your final straw.
• 48:58
  Speaker 16: But it's just I think it's amazing that how quickly
• 49:01
  Speaker 16: this bloke has imploded after such an emphatic election win.
• 49:05
  Speaker 16: I've never seen a government that has fallen apart as
• 49:08
  Speaker 16: quickly as his, and the fact that he's hung on
• 49:10
  Speaker 16: this long is probably the biggest.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Surprise for me. Yeah, I think he's being saved by
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the fact that there's no obvious successor. Stephen, Susie, I
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about you HARKing back to the teachers
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties, but we're right out of time.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: We might come back to that next week. Thanks for
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: joining us, Susie, and Stephen. I appreciated I was taught
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: in the eighties as well, and I have fond memories
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: and not so fond memories of some teachers. Just quickly
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: some of your feedback from what we had to say
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: last night that spotlight special on Channel seven about the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: renewables energy disaster. One viewer says, I watched seven's report today.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I was horrified, emotional and very angry watching it. Everyone
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: in Australia should be made to watch this and find
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: out the truth. Thanks so much for joining me. We'll
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: keep on those issues and we all catch up with
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Susie next week to talk about those teachers. Is favorite
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  Speaker 1: quidlin h