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Aidan Pitcher | The Christian Reeve Podcast #192 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guest is a musician, up
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  and coming from Newcastle. His name is Aiden.
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  Pitcher, welcome to the show. Aiden, Aiden.
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  Hello, thank you. Pleasure, to be here.
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  It's a pleasure to have you met. I think.
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  I think you might actually be my first guest from Newcastle, so
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  that's cool. Make love for the Newcastle
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  people. Shout out to Gaston, I don't
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  know if he watches this video is acting friend.
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  I met from from Newcastle. Let's talk about Newcastle for a
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  second that why is everyone so friendly and Newcastle will give
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  it to be. Bet is probably just because we
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  are we all have one thing in common in New Castle.
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  That's just football. But everyone loves football
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  because obviously you don't really have much there over
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  there. The football club.
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  So everyone's all connected on one thing.
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  Would you would you say like everyone is, is kind of really
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  into their football Newcastle? Then there's like no one.
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  That's not really a fan. Nice from my experience this
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  year. It's very rare to find someone.
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  You doesn't go to the football. Okay.
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  Well how do you feel? How do you feel about what's
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  going on recently with the the club being acquired by a cult
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  member who were the investors are?
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  But they're I believe it might actually make Newcastle the
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  richest Club of the world or certainly the top five.
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  How do you feel about that? well, there's people obviously,
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  who aren't okay with it because it's Saudi Arabia and the okay,
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  The human rights. The way I think of it because it
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  there's or most people know that the new car sometimes it still
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  going us oil money, he will up. If you look at the other clubs
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  like Muncie, same thing, they've got oil money is up.
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  So it's like, how can you accept one called having a?
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  Just because they're already big, but we can't accept us
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  having it. And I think it's just like we're
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  And back to where we used to be. And I think people are scared of
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  that because, you know, one of the best teams it's true in
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  England. So it's always felt quite weird
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  that, you know, Newcastle is always had a huge football
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  stadium, but then you spent the better part of let's say 10 15
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  years or something like that in Championship, I don't think it's
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  ever gone lower than that and it's weird.
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  You know because Newcastle use To be in the Premiership used to
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  be a big team, obviously. Alan Shearer was one of the
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  bigger players back in the day and there's no reason why it
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  shouldn't be and it's, it's an interesting thing as well.
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  I think from an investment standpoint, I mean, it's kind of
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  obvious why all the Investments are in the big clubs.
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  Now in major cities in England, because it's like, for business,
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  it's good to teach it clear its goods, but it it's kind of
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  changed things in a way that is quite divisive and causes you
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  know, you've got to Camps because it's like, it's great
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  for the game of football. In the sense that you've got
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  more money, more access to as opposed exciting players, which
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  makes the league more fun excetera.
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  But then as you say, like, it's coming from a source, that's not
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  It's no great. Really is a just on a side note
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  related to this. So in the news recently so I'm a
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  big wrestling fan, big professional wrestler.
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  Also my dhoti used to wrestle this here in Berlin.
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  Okay, well we'll Circle back to that.
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  So in the other if you've seen the news but WWE, they will
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  report its been denied but it's going back and forth right now
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  that it's reported that the reports that I've seen it,
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  actually the same people who bought Newcastle United, that's
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  weird, which is A weird concept, forget my net around just
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  Newcastle, United's owned by the same people who owns WWE.
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  It's not a contest where X is cut.
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  This kind of its kind of like the got the guys that own.
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  Aw, they own Fulham, Football Club, and then the Jacksonville
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  Jaguars. And the state's a second is so
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  weird here in Tony carcass any cons, obviously his Indian
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  Heritage I think Pakistani or something like that, but he's
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  Born and raised in Chicago, Illinois, in the states.
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  So there's this like American guy that's like chatting about
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  Fulham. Football Club was like, you
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  know, full on the hill. They had a really good like was
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  it like season and everything and it's just weird hear it
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  because he does go there. He's invested in it but it's
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  just it's just weird like because they're another team.
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  Yeah they got they got a lot of money and Phillips good club
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  always have been, but it's like, it's interesting like how many
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  clubs are being acquired in these locations, and what that's
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  going to look like I suppose in a way or make the Premier League
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  more competitive, which is good, but then My worry is the
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  Baseline, how it affects the fans genomic because that's
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  always how it goes like football, the history of
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  football is it started with, you know, miners Miners and mining
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  companies that like basically put together They like a
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  football teams for fun. Just that for fun.
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  They're like they're in Little League like instead of a fun and
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  then those mining to them. He did.
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  Yeah. Yeah yeah.
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  Back in the day, it was just like a Pastime.
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  It wasn't really like everyone in even I think like the 50, 60,
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  70, s, whatever, they still had like, full-time jobs, and they
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  were just doing the football on the side.
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  Yeah. And then somewhere in life, I
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  think the 80's 90's is where it all changed.
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  Justin, that's where like all the money came in and stuff.
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  But that's not to say that like players aren't still passionate
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  because clearly they are, but there are a lot of people that
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  you can see are just solely driven by money.
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  And yeah, it does affect me personally, right?
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  It affects the game negatively in many ways and it's like, I'm
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  not the world's biggest football fan.
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  I've always looked at it kind of like, oh, I watch International
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  quietly. Follow my team, but they suck
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  but I love them. Queens Park Rangers, that's my
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  team. Yeah, it's painful being a QPR.
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  So that's the interesting thing about us as well.
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  If you look at us we're funny one because we got acquired from
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  debt in. I want to say the early 2010
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  something like that and I we were really in debt.
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  There's like I don't know if this is true but there was an
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  old story that apparently we were so badly in debt.
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  At one point in League two, that the fans were paying the players
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  wages. I don't know if I believe that
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  but it sounds like like it could be true because luckily day it
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  was like our but the best thing we could hope for is to beat
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  like working Wanderers away on a Sunday or something like that
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  was the biggest hope we can ever hope for and then fast forward
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  used to have some, some point in history.
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  Yeah, yeah, no, no. I think, I think we ones
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  through, we never want any major trophies, but we would one point
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  in the 90s, when the Premier League first began, we were I'm
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  a big contending like at least top 10 team I would say.
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  Yeah. And we had some good players.
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  Les Ferdinand back in the day, even in the most recent one,
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  where we actually got the the money we it was embarrassing
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  that we bought a bunch of players and they kind of gelled
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  but didn't and it's like the perfect example.
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  A showcase example of what not to do when you get a bunch of
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  money in football. I think now we're doing what
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  we're supposed to be doing, which is weird.
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  Building up the academy, we're building up players, but the
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  problem is those players, it's a bit of a Southampton deal where
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  they'll don't get built up. They go really get really good
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  and then they just leave. It's weird.
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  It's like a fetus. It like, it was like that for us
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  for a while. Back in the day we used to loan.
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  Some of the Tottenham has a had a close relationship, QPR and
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  they would loan some of their like, reserve players to us to
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  use who just weren't getting any football.
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  I won't get into play and it's like, well, why not, if they're
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  there, why don't give him some people like it.
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  But yeah, that that was painful as you keep your fantasy that
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  because this like, oh, is it ever going to get to a point
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  where we actually, I don't know, Bill build a good team and I
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  think it's beginning to happen now.
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  But as I say I keep an acute interests and I've just seen
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  them over the last five or ten years or whether it's been than
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  it's just perpetually stuck at like 9th Place is it's almost
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  more interesting when your team is doing badly and fighting for
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  relegation because it's like more exciting.
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  Are we gonna make it? We can give it a really good
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  because of fun. So I know the feeling of they
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  hoping you're not going to get relegated every season.
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  Yeah. Well, Feelin only just went
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  away, not too long ago. They because, obviously, with
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  our previous owner, my cut sleep, we thought we were going
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  to go down every season, and we wouldn't have been disappointed
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  because we just saw it coming. Because it didn't do anything
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  that the club he didn't buy players.
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  He didn't want money. Did they were like eight year
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  olds one had any chance been a long-term player who weren't
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  even that good? And he took us used us as a
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  marketing thing, like putting Sports Direct logos everywhere,
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  like he, they I think he went to a point and I think IG happened
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  where he managed to get us to be called Sports Direct Arena.
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  And it's just like, no, no fun called it up.
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  We just started st. James's Park.
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  Yeah, it'll always be, it'll always be some James Park.
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  Some things don't change. Yeah.
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  I think I But stuff like that. They because obviously wasn't a
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  football person. He was just a businessman.
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  I think that you didn't actually really understand what the club
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  really meant to us, right? Because he was just destroying
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  it and he knew he was destroying it.
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  Because we going back and forth into the championship.
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  It's quite similar to what's going on with with man.
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  You all the man you found that are here to talk about the the
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  glazers and their ownership of the club.
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  It's the same thing they feel like it's killing the club and
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  like it's caused so many problems and you know obviously
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  there was a point where they were dominant to the point where
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  it was almost sickening you know and now it's like it's so far
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  the opposite way. I mean there's slowly building A
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  up again, but point is to look so cool.
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  Wild for them to do it. Like, hmm, they they've been
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  away from completely dominating two figures.
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  Now, last major trophy was the Jose.
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  Jose Mourinho only deal which was interesting because he won
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  them a title and they still fired him.
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  He won them, the Europa League of, I believe, And they still
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  find him which and that's another thing as well.
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  Like Premiership management is to it's just a joke, like you'd
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  be lucky to stay in a job for like, six months.
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  It's just weird and it's either you get kicked out or you just
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  end up destroying the club by staying there too long.
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  Was that the old saying you either die a hero or live long
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  enough to see yourself become a problem?
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  I feel like that's the that's what's happened with Ronaldo.
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  Yeah, he played too long and he was a hero, but he played too
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  long and some sub become the villain of the game.
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  So we're what do you think of that?
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  Move down the Seer. That's how you pronounce her,
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  I'm making. I think is, I don't even think
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  you should be a club by now. Because yeah, he's got ability.
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  But this time, dude, it's not the attitude that you meant to
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  having the modern-day game. You're supposed to be passionate
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  and you can't say he's not passionate, come on.
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  Well he's passionate. Yeah clearly that's that's the
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  problem. Two passions in his Club in that
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  I agree with that. I don't think I've ever seen
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  him. I've been people before
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  handbook. That's true.
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  I don't think it's interesting because when you compare Messi
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  and Ronaldo, like it's known the messy fell out with the board at
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  Barcelona, but I don't recall him ever saying anything.
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  In the media about it? I don't recall him ever dis in
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  the club like he was very thankful and graciously upon
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  exiting and stuff and they obviously said lovely things
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  about him. The way out as well here.
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  I agree. Like I think I do think you do
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  have to give something without us some leeway though because
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  obviously, he lost a child, this this past year.
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  And that's, that's going to affect anyone.
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  But to be fair in the Years prior to that, he still had that
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  attitude. So I would tend to agree with
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  you that there's nothing wrong with being passionate about what
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  you do, but I don't think it. You should be passionate at the
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  expense of others. It's, yeah, you know, like gone.
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  Well, the I move that the sir. It's rumored that he's got a
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  contract for it next season. We got top four.
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  Yeah. Comes to us on Long, which is
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  obviously a matter if he takes. And I don't think Eddie will you
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  because not to you'd be mad. Because the thing that I see how
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  is he looks for players who have a certain attitude so he can
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  grow them as a whole. Here's the thing, though.
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  I agree, however, not bringing Ronaldo to Newcastle would be
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  bad business. They just showed in the media
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  like how much the club's fallish followed following grew after
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  Ronaldo joins. It was like 700,000 before he
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  joins their up to the level of every million followers.
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  Yeah. And that's that's like you can't
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  talk football and management without talking business.
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  Now, that's just unfortunately, just a part of it it is
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  unfortunate that that's the case now but it it just is so you
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  just gotta live with it like You can't do anything about it.
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  Now it's gone too far with how much evidence is involved.
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  I heard something that's what I've been if this is true but
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  apparently we. Now those said that he isn't
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  interested. He's done with European
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  football. I don't believe that for a
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  second. I'm sorry.
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  Like if there's a chance to play with us was because apparently
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  he wanted to go back into the Champions League so he can get a
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  higher record. Yeah.
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  Why would she be in the truth? Yeah.
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  Even if he joined you on, what is it?
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  Genuine loan, isn't it? Yeah, so you joined alone.
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  Is that okay? I don't know this before but if
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  you play with the team on loan and you win, does that count as
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  you winning with them? Yeah, today.
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  Okay. Yeah, so would it would count?
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  Okay, that's interesting. I'll be honest, I would love to
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  just see him in a New Castle shirt just for the spectacle of
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  seeing it. Like it just be weird.
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  Doing because I don't know, like, I'm Manuel, Newcastle,
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  direct Rivals. I suppose one Premier League
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  Rivals. Yeah, but not in, but not like
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  as fiercely as like menu, Liverpool.
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  Our biggest rival. I think you might know about it.
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  Is a new custom. Something that's hard to forget
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  that either, but we haven't played in ages.
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  Normally, its geographical isn't it?
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  So it's like whoever's the closest team to you mr.
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  Bigley arrival. But there Was the reason why
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  ours is so Fierce, they pretty much hatred.
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  It's because obviously we're Rivals because of how close we
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  are, but we're also Rivals because of the Civil War, right?
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  Okay, because it was the jordi's on one side and it is a markings
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  on the other side. Okay?
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  So we all had a Clash So, I think that's the reason why it's
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  Dems to that point, because it's with the Civil Wars, It's a
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  religious thing. They, the, the reasoning behind
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  it. I've never heard about this, but
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  this is interesting and it was something that's just completely
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  like complete hatred Between Worlds because obviously those
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  of civil war between us, we didn't really get along after
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  that. And then we ended up being all
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  right with each other. It's something apart from its
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  support for the hatred stayed and bottle.
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  It's interesting. As well, isn't it with football?
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  Because it's like, you still have those Fierce rivalries, but
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  you don't really have. As far as I'm aware, the firm's
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  anymore. The, the fights people meeting
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  up to fight. I mean, maybe some of that still
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  exists, but as far as I'm aware, that there's fights they all.
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  But it's not like because of the Rivalry anymore.
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  It's a I just Hmm, Hooligans like football Hooligans being
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  they. There was a Chelsea game.
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  I believe the sorts we beat them.
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  There was a joke, the Cobra Chelsea fans who weren't too
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  happy about it. We'll try to understand because
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  obviously losing's not a happy feeling but there was a Chelsea
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  fan stomping a jordi's head and there was a joy, he got whacked
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  in the head with a bottle. Bye.
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  Chelsea fan. And it's just say it's football.
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  They where they one of the most passionate clubs and fun
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  barracks. And probably in the world and we
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  don't go out, I don't get that. And that kind of mentality
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  exists in a lot of different, not just in a physical
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  mentality, but also like I see it in wrestling people arguing
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  online saying like, oh, your opinion is wrong.
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  I see it in music, you know, I see it in.
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  Yeah, fandoms, it's like people get so aggressive about this and
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  I get like what you like is an extension of you.
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  You it's personal. I understand that.
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  But like it doesn't make any sense, like, if your team loses,
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  your team loses, you like when it when England lost to France I
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  wasn't annoyed at the French. I was like they just played
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  better than us. Yeah.
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  That's it. You know.
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  It's so I was questioning They that was smart.
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  We did. Yeah, nothing is back on to what
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  you said about. How it's a music man?
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  I know what you mean because like There are people who like,
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  if someone says to an artist, I don't like your music, right?
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  And then they just go off and then like, you should like, my
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  music in there. And it's just like Because I've
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  had people come up to me before and say I don't like him use it
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  and I that's fine. Yeah.
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  Well people coming up saying, I don't like rock music.
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  I'm just like that's fine then, why not you?
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  Yeah, I wonder that sometimes like I get sometimes comments in
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  my live streams where they're like, oh, I don't like this
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  thing that you do or I don't like this.
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  And I'm like, okay, why are you telling me this?
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  Just just go, leave. Go for it.
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  Something you do like like that? I don't have any ancient.
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  Like, I don't mind what people don't like me or don't like
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  things about me. Or like it's, I don't care.
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  First and foremost, and secondly, you shouldn't care,
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  you know? Because there will be people
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  that love, you know, people hate you.
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  It doesn't matter what you do in life, but because of something
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  in music is, if someone comes up to you and says that, they don't
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  like a certain thing, right? When you change it.
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  And then it turns out there was a majority of people who did
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  like it. Hmm, just gonna walk away.
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  Yeah, I mean, it depends, doesn't it if you get
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  constructive criticism and it makes sense sure.
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  A great constructive criticism. Now I can completely take up.
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  Yeah, but some of us do I say I don't like your music.
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  I it doesn't bother me. Hmm.
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  Now I should it just makes me go.
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  All right? But not the branch for you.
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  Yeah, find a bandit. You aren T.
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  Exactly. It shouldn't, it shouldn't
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  matter because there's a lot of musicians who take that sort of
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  stuff to the heart, especially in the modern music.
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  Hmm. History, there's a lot of eyes
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  to take it to heart and people say that but I'm just like, if
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  you don't like my music you don't like my music.
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  I can't change it. So why should I bother myself
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  getting upset about it? It is tricky.
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  I mean, I think sometimes like whether a particular, yeah,
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  there's sometimes those people that you want desperately to let
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  your stuff and they don't. And that can be that can meet
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  that can be hard but you know it's just I don't I think it's
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  an important life lesson for anyone.
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  Especially anyone that's listening right now.
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  Like try to always remember that like at the end of the day it's
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  okay not to be liked. It's okay.
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  When people don't, like certain things that you've done, or, you
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  know, whatever the case we would be like, it's okay.
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  It's not the end of the world, we're not the most popular band
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  in the world, right late. We've got loads of people who
• 23:20
  don't like us. Yeah, but that's just how it is
• 23:25
  in men, especially music. We're going to have people who
• 23:28
  like you and you're going to have people who don't.
• 23:30
  Yeah. Which is a lesson that I feel
• 23:34
  like a lot of its need to learn is that there's always going to
• 23:41
  be someone who doesn't like music.
• 23:43
  Exactly. Yeah, there's nothing, there's
• 23:44
  nothing you can do about that either.
• 23:46
  You just have to kind of accept it and move on and go from
• 23:50
  there, really? Yeah, they are, I understand
• 23:53
  like being upset about it and like, maybe just crying for a
• 23:57
  little bit. But then, when you start letting
• 24:00
  it late, Dictate everything. Yeah.
• 24:04
  Now, I know. You're right.
• 24:05
  You're right. Like you can't, I think the
• 24:07
  point that you raise their about not letting people drive the
• 24:12
  ship like that, but your fans should never be driving the
• 24:16
  ship. Like you should take on board,
• 24:18
  what they say. Definitely pay attention to it,
• 24:23
  but the artist ultimately has to be what's right for them.
• 24:26
  That's why I like and I had to understand this to like there's
• 24:30
  so many artists that I listened to that.
• 24:33
  I'll give you a really good example, right?
• 24:34
  So I'm a big fan of Mac DeMarco, right?
• 24:37
  And I kind of felt like when he went independent and he released
• 24:41
  his last album in 2019. I felt like it was, I was a bit
• 24:46
  disappointed, they were there were some few good tunes on
• 24:49
  there but it It just felt like such a departure from like I
• 24:52
  feel like he needs a little bit of that direction.
• 24:55
  Maybe or input from like a not necessarily a record label.
• 24:59
  But like from that industry I don't know.
• 25:02
  Like sometimes with artist goes fully independent, it's not
• 25:04
  always the best thing for them. If they've had assistance for, I
• 25:08
  don't know, but it I don't know. Like the way I looked at it and
• 25:13
  start part of Music. They like, It's a lot harder
• 25:19
  than it looks for sure. Absolutely.
• 25:22
  But what I wanted to drive out this they're just real quick as
• 25:25
  they also did like discussion man.
• 25:28
  We go and that's different places.
• 25:30
  That's how it's going to be. You know.
• 25:33
  All I wanted to say is that I think it's important.
• 25:36
  Oh, we lost you there like he's back, he's back, he's back.
• 25:38
  Okay. Hey guys, it's important to do
• 25:45
  what's right for you? Yeah and not.
• 25:48
  Pay too much attention to what the critics will say.
• 25:51
  Like, you know, you're not every album that you release is going
• 25:54
  to be different. You're always going to get
• 25:56
  people that say I preferred what you did, like five our palms
• 25:58
  back, ten albums back. You know there's people that
• 26:00
  will say that you sold out is people that will say this that
• 26:03
  and the other like you got to do what makes sense for you and the
• 26:06
  end of the day. Everyone's Craig, everyone is
• 26:12
  music. Is that if you're going to do it
• 26:16
  to the best of your ability as to be, The thing that you can
• 26:20
  get losted, mmm, like, especially like live that when
• 26:27
  you perform it live. It's you're not completely in
• 26:30
  the music. And given the best show, you can
• 26:35
  to the funds because you're doing something that doesn't
• 26:38
  feel completely, right? Yeah.
• 26:41
  Just to try and please someone else.
• 26:44
  It's never going to work out doing that.
• 26:47
  You've got a take on criticism and do what you can with it and
• 26:55
  they always be open to it. Don't compete for that out.
• 26:58
  They don't eat, they don't be cocky or anything.
• 27:01
  Don't go, I'm the best in the world that don't be cocky about
• 27:04
  it. Take the criticism, take on
• 27:06
  board, but at the end of the day, do what?
• 27:11
  You feels right for you to be able to do to the best of your
• 27:15
  ability. Because if you're not doing it
• 27:17
  to the best of your ability, it's not going to give a good
• 27:20
  show. Great.
• 27:21
  I think I think also as well being a musician is a lot like
• 27:26
  being in a relationship. Both the relationship that you
• 27:30
  have with your band mates or just in general the connection,
• 27:36
  you have to music like if your heart is not in it.
• 27:40
  It's not going to work out save a relationship.
• 27:42
  You got, you got a love it. I love it because if you wanted
• 27:48
  to do music for a job like what I do, You have to love it
• 27:56
  because if you don't, then the more funds you get the bigger
• 28:01
  you, get the more shows you. You will therefore have to do
• 28:06
  y'all not enjoy it and you'll just end up feeling like your
• 28:09
  stock, talk us through where you're at right now like because
• 28:14
  I know you're on the younger side.
• 28:15
  I think you're like 18 19 right now, something like that, right?
• 28:19
  So presumably you've been playing music for a little bit
• 28:22
  and, you know, your You get into it and you've I know you've got
• 28:25
  a band that everything going but like took a talk to us a little
• 28:27
  bit about where you're at with music and what your goals are.
• 28:32
  Well, I'll just start off today, where I was in the beginning.
• 28:39
  Okay, well, it was in the beginning.
• 28:40
  I actually was a solo while it's doing like, more on popular
• 28:47
  stuff because obviously, I was just what was big at the time
• 28:53
  and I was just say finally got far to pop and then I started
• 28:57
  going Well, I don't really like pop, mmm.
• 29:01
  And I don't like singing Pop. and, I'm just say, but I love
• 29:09
  rock and I love singing Rock so maybe I can just get people who
• 29:15
  love rock. To like me.
• 29:18
  But because even though there's fewer people, it still They
• 29:24
  found it so you can yet have a connection with like whether
• 29:30
  it's 1 2 or 3 people or 100 people thousand.
• 29:35
  It's still a fan base that you can connect with and then I met
• 29:43
  the lead guitarist for the band. He's really young.
• 29:51
  He's 15. And it was at the same Festival.
• 29:58
  I was playing with with. A volunteer type and okay like
• 30:07
  me just doing songs but having different people like I'm sure
• 30:11
  exactly. So I was doing a gig part in the
• 30:19
  park, I don't know if you know that but it's a more pissed.
• 30:23
  So I was doing that and then I went off to cool down after in
• 30:29
  to like settle down because staying there too.
• 30:32
  The rest of the festival and then I just saw him playing and
• 30:38
  I was just like, he's unbelievable.
• 30:44
  It's just like, because with rock It's because of backing
• 30:51
  vocals in older and I was just like he can sing.
• 30:56
  And he can play the guitar, like a God.
• 30:59
  Don't, well, he plays with like A sort of
• 31:16
  uniqueness that you only get when you put your entire soul
• 31:22
  into play, they when he's playing.
• 31:27
  Because I know it's playing. You know, it's in which is that
• 31:33
  when someone singing is easier to tell because you can hear the
• 31:35
  boys. Yeah.
• 31:36
  But if there's a guitarist that you can tell who it is, why
• 31:42
  they're playing, because of how unique they are.
• 31:47
  And how much so, how much of their own.
• 31:49
  So they put into it. That's a great player.
• 31:54
  Every, it's a really good point. I shall I saw some video the
• 31:58
  other day so co.labs type thing where it was something crazy was
• 32:03
  like, oh imagine you're playing like a Coldplay song and then
• 32:08
  slash features to do a solo over.
• 32:11
  Is that a bizarre collab? But the guy that was imitating
• 32:15
  /. Hailed it as far as the Cadence
• 32:18
  and the start of play and whatever.
• 32:19
  And it when I was sitting there thinking, like, yeah, like /
• 32:22
  does have a very unique style of play that you can't really I
• 32:26
  can't think of anyone that really sounds like like him.
• 32:29
  Like it's an unmistakable thing. Like you said like there are
• 32:32
  just certain you know vocalist/guitarist even drummers
• 32:35
  bassist even like all those different instruments there will
• 32:39
  be like specific I don't know tones or playing Styles or just
• 32:44
  interested intricacies little things here and In there that
• 32:47
  make them unique and make them stand out and make them, you
• 32:50
  know, just memorable. I guess the main guitars that
• 32:54
  I've seen kind of unlike You know who they are when they play
• 33:00
  with Brian May from queen as soon as he plays you can like
• 33:08
  dries or just go to another room but still there to hear it.
• 33:11
  You'll know who he is. Yeah.
• 33:14
  They because he just got such a uniqueness to his play in that
• 33:23
  it Makes it. So watchable like you want to
• 33:30
  watch it, you want to go an admirer?
• 33:33
  You want to go? She's playing in a way I've
• 33:36
  never seen before. Hmm.
• 33:38
  In anyone else? Because Brian May, Brian me, you
• 33:43
  can tell, who is when playing Jimmy Page from Led Zeppelin,
• 33:48
  you can tell what's him. So watch, as I mentioned, from
• 33:51
  Guns and Roses, you can tell. But then there's some guitarists
• 33:55
  who are Great guitarist and their own, right.
• 33:59
  Absolutely amazing. But don't have a uniqueness and
• 34:04
  just sound like, another really good guitarist suggesting that I
• 34:11
  know what you mean. Yeah, it's like, it's like I
• 34:15
  saw, I've seen about a thousand million.
• 34:18
  People do like versions of Jimi, Hendrix songs.
• 34:22
  And, you know, sometimes they're very faithful to the original,
• 34:26
  sometimes they'll be out there, but generally speaking, I've not
• 34:29
  really been that impressed. I think the only time I last
• 34:31
  time was ripe really impressed. Was what's the name of that guy?
• 34:36
  Stevie Stevie Ray Vaughn. I think his name is who would
• 34:41
  kind of expand upon it. He's very Jimmy asked, but he
• 34:44
  had his own style and then there was, it was a guy recently.
• 34:47
  I can't remember his name, but like, it completely blew me away
• 34:50
  because he took Hendrix stuff. But he put his own style on it
• 34:55
  and it just it blew my mind. It was like a reinvention as a.
• 34:59
  Yeah. And that's always key.
• 35:01
  Is like, okay well if you cover and something make it your own.
• 35:07
  Hmm. Don't just make it sound like
• 35:11
  the original. Make it your own and make it
• 35:14
  sound like you. So people can go oh that's a
• 35:19
  great different. Version of this song.
• 35:24
  And so just, this is someone who's good at it.
• 35:26
  So it's always funny as well like when the cover is better
• 35:30
  than the original. So it's been like, I mean, this
• 35:40
  isn't my opinion but it's pretty much the world's opinion.
• 35:48
  Valerie by Amy Winehouse, which was originally by the zutons.
• 35:54
  I prefer these Newton's the same.
• 35:57
  I mean, zoo on Camp, man. Yeah.
• 35:59
  Like, that's the thing, like I heard it on in a bar the other
• 36:02
  day and I was like, damn yeah. Like The Originals it kicks us
• 36:06
  like dirt, it's different. I don't think that one is better
• 36:13
  than the other. I think they're just, they're
• 36:15
  like different songs because the the Amy Winehouse version is
• 36:19
  like kind of I don't even know what a cool is.
• 36:23
  Just an upbeat pop, funky kind of vibe and then the zutons
• 36:27
  version is a very gritty standard Rock tune.
• 36:31
  That's got quite a lot of like the singer really busts.
• 36:34
  His Vocal cords on that, just goes for it.
• 36:38
  And anyone that's listen to the zutons first and second album,
• 36:42
  especially the first ones who tan fever.
• 36:45
  There's just so much going on, musically?
• 36:47
  Like they're an amazing band, seriously underrated and it's
• 36:52
  weird because like I guess they'll always only ever be
• 36:54
  known as far as like for having written that song and then for
• 36:59
  it to have been covered and hey look the royalties for life, you
• 37:02
  know, I mean but they are unmistakably brilliant.
• 37:06
  And, and I really do.
• 37:18
  I feel like it was a time, then if you go back, if you go back
• 37:23
  over the years, like certain years, like, you'll find that
• 37:26
  there are tunes, that are big for that year, but they become
• 37:29
  like, obscure or like, I'll give you a really good example like
• 37:33
  in in the early 2000s. There was bands like a hard fire
• 37:38
  that was particularly year when this band hard-fi, I kid you
• 37:41
  not. They dominated for like a year
• 37:44
  or something that a particular summer, like they just had an
• 37:47
  album out. It was everywhere.
• 37:48
  You heard it all the time but you don't really hear it on the
• 37:51
  radio anymore. There are some songs that stay
• 37:54
  in there, get played and played and played and played, and then
• 37:56
  they get eventually transitioned into like oldies or whatever,
• 38:00
  but yeah. And then like, there's always
• 38:03
  some things which stay there through What time at night.
• 38:07
  Yeah, but that's like very few they Livin on a Prayer by Bon
• 38:12
  Jovi. Always be a song that if if you
• 38:19
  hear it you're going to burst out with the Koreans.
• 38:24
  Maybe it may, I'd hate it but I figured so overplayed, I can't
• 38:27
  stand it. I get it against the Wolverines.
• 38:31
  Yeah, it shows how timeless it is because that will just like
• 38:36
  they're paying off the radio stations and it's very certain
• 38:42
  songs that happens. I was talking on the livestream
• 38:45
  about this, the other day about, you know, like you got like
• 38:47
  Wonderwall suppose, a Teen Spirit, like all these songs
• 38:50
  that it's almost taboo to even play.
• 38:53
  The Anymore line, if you do get re-arrested them when I do music
• 38:56
  lives and someone requests wonder what I just assume
• 38:59
  they're trolling and sometimes people are serious.
• 39:02
  They really want to hear it. But I just assume it's a troll
• 39:05
  become. So overplayed to a point where A
• 39:09
  lot of trolls were using that as a child so when someone serious
• 39:14
  with it comes along it's just that it's just a truck but that
• 39:18
  song is an example of the time that song which is a kind of
• 39:23
  played too much, but like if you hear it live you're going to
• 39:26
  sing to it. Oh don't get course but if you
• 39:28
  just hear it they if you they on Spotify.
• 39:32
  Yeah and it comes up you just going to skip it but I was
• 39:37
  determined. Yeah.
• 39:38
  Probably. Probably, yeah, it's just like
• 39:42
  sometimes it's songs that are played to it.
• 39:45
  I think playing a song to more can in some cases, Brewing the
• 39:50
  song. Yes.
• 39:52
  Because it just gets to a point where you've heard it too much.
• 39:57
  It's annoying to listen to but that's kind of the whole point
• 39:59
  though, isn't it? Like there's nothing wrong with
• 40:02
  that song but the song Wonderful by races is a, it's a, it's a
• 40:06
  great song. Really written track.
• 40:08
  It's just over And that's what makes it unbearable.
• 40:13
  Nothing else? Yeah, if he just wasn't played,
• 40:15
  it would be like a tune. That you'd want to hear, you
• 40:19
  know, that even though you don't like Living on a Prayer, they
• 40:24
  what? I hate it because it's over
• 40:26
  plane. If it wasn't.
• 40:26
  Okay, door the time. Like I hear it.
• 40:28
  I I like instrument at that. You can't deny it's a good song.
• 40:31
  It's a well-crafted structured song.
• 40:34
  It's just I think what made it. So big was the fact that it was
• 40:40
  So unique at the time like we have the yeah at the start of it
• 40:46
  where they used voice Bob. Yeah, over on the guitar and how
• 40:54
  it was quite very different. Actually, from most important
• 40:59
  job is songs, they could the fact that it's quite slow, but
• 41:05
  at the same time, still got the heaviness and I know what you
• 41:15
  mean. Like, by all intensive purposes.
• 41:16
  I should like it, but like, I can hear it in my head right now
• 41:19
  and I just, I can't stand it. I think also Bon Jovi, they Jon
• 41:25
  Bon. Jovi's got an amazing boy,
• 41:27
  special. It is 100% one of the best
• 41:31
  voices. In that genre in the world.
• 41:36
  But the thing is his voice. If you keep hearing it for a
• 41:43
  certain amount of time they over and over and over again, you
• 41:47
  start hearing the bolts in it. Maybe, I mean, I look at it more
• 41:54
  like I just whenever I hear tracks from an artist like the
• 41:59
  overplayed I always think the same thing which is I prefer
• 42:02
  their other songs. Like take.
• 42:04
  Take Nirvana's nevermind album right everyone goes on and on
• 42:08
  about Smells Like Teen, Spirit all are great song.
• 42:11
  Ang generation-defining and they're right sure.
• 42:13
  But that ours is but it's not the best song on the album.
• 42:17
  I mean, you've got breathing drain, you lithium Polly
• 42:22
  something in the way territorial pissing like it's a fucking
• 42:26
  amazing album and all those tracks on there.
• 42:29
  Are ten. Thousands of others.
• 42:32
  Is there is a great song very well written but I do agree with
• 42:36
  you is not the best song on the album.
• 42:37
  It's one of those things. If you go to a lot, if Go to a
• 42:41
  gig. Oh yeah, you're in a Guitar
• 42:43
  Center or something. And someone starts playing that
• 42:46
  everyone groans or just looks and gives them like the war.
• 42:50
  They give them the, why you stand why are you playing
• 42:53
  Stairway to Heaven in the guitars?
• 42:55
  Yeah, yeah. It's no stairways tonight like
• 42:57
  come on like no. No but it's true, like people
• 43:00
  will get pissed off. Yeah, it's it's, it shouldn't be
• 43:05
  like that, but it's because it's the go-to like, oh my God,
• 43:07
  imagine how many fucking talent shows like hi.
• 43:11
  High schools around the world where that song has been played.
• 43:15
  It's been paid to death. Smells Like Teen.
• 43:17
  Spirit is just like the real, not like the whole reason
• 43:21
  because it was very well, written good lyrics like good
• 43:24
  Voyage, good instruments. But I think, A very big reason
• 43:28
  on my still considered overplayed, and it has played
• 43:33
  all the time. It's a fight that is just such
• 43:36
  an easy song, to bang your head, to sure.
• 43:39
  They will. Temple is very like, you're not
• 43:43
  going to break your neck. If you have to be like most
• 43:47
  metal songs, I got ya, I got ya. It's got a certain Vibe, but
• 43:53
  it's a bit like, Songs can be completely, they just annoying.
• 44:04
  I will say it backwards that employee.
• 44:06
  I say this may be one of the reasons why a lot of these
• 44:09
  tracks become so big is because they're so easy to play.
• 44:13
  Yeah, we noticed that like Nirvana songs are really easy to
• 44:16
  learn Oasis songs, easy tonight. It's all basic chords bar,
• 44:19
  chords, whatever. Like they're pretty
• 44:21
  straightforward. Which makes them more
• 44:23
  accessible. I do, completely agree with
• 44:27
  that. If you have a song that's like
• 44:29
  really simple in that, people can learn it, Young guitar.
• 44:33
  Easy people can learn the vocals easily that I get in songs.
• 44:39
  We're like with certain bonds, people want to sound like the
• 44:44
  best singer in the world. Yeah, but I don't know.
• 44:47
  That people won't be able to sing along to one a song that
• 44:52
  they can sing. Along too.
• 44:53
  Yeah, if you do in the song, that is completely impossible to
• 44:58
  play along to on guitar or sing along to people, just going to
• 45:03
  go, well, can't sing to this because when I'm in the car,
• 45:07
  when I'm in the car, I want to, when there's music on I wanna
• 45:10
  sing along. I want to be like jumping up,
• 45:13
  but not jumping, come in the cart.
• 45:14
  So I'm gonna go play devil's advocate for a second because I
• 45:17
  do agree with you. But at the same time you could
• 45:19
  make this argument about something like someone, like
• 45:21
  let's say, Adele, right? Elise.
• 45:23
  Right? You could make the argument that
• 45:25
  while none of us can sing to that level guess there's no
• 45:29
  point but then you still can't you sing sing along too late.
• 45:35
  Even if okay reality or like yeah I get it okay enough to
• 45:44
  sing along to the she does. It's still you can still sing
• 45:50
  along to it without doing the bulk or oh.
• 45:53
  Okay. So she is some Simplicity of
• 45:55
  Destruction? Maybe.
• 45:57
  Yeah. Well because obviously I'm a
• 46:01
  glam rock singer in a glam. Rock band.
• 46:03
  Everything. Okay.
• 46:05
  But mad. All right, everyone loves a.
• 46:08
  Do I love a do? Yeah.
• 46:11
  And I when I say that to people like God I love it.
• 46:14
  Do people like you shouldn't Has your rock wall because I'm just
• 46:19
  say, well, she's one of the most amazing booklet.
• 46:24
  I got to say, I think that's a younger mentality here and
• 46:27
  forgive me for saying this, but what I mean is, like I remember
• 46:29
  when I was your age like and I know people hate when people say
• 46:32
  this, but trust me, when you're my age, you'll be saying this
• 46:36
  it's just but no. But I remember what it was like
• 46:39
  back then and almost like people setting rules and or you can't
• 46:43
  listen to this because you're this.
• 46:45
  And it's like once you get to a certain age, That no one gives a
• 46:48
  shit like, yeah, like II know people.
• 46:51
  And I myself included, we're will be like whoo, Cannibal
• 46:54
  Corpse or Katy Perry like in the same playlist it'll be.
• 46:59
  It's like a good tune is a good too, but I've never understood
• 47:02
  that mentality. Like I had that when I was at
• 47:04
  school because I listened to quite a lot of different things
• 47:08
  at school, pop rock, metal, wrap, everything Grime, and then
• 47:15
  as I got older and I became like a musician, I Are you listening
• 47:18
  to everything because, yeah, it's moves Bishop musicians or
• 47:21
  tell you obviously everything is interconnected and once you
• 47:24
  start exploring and learning about music and, oh,
• 47:27
  everything's connected. It's all one big tree, right?
• 47:31
  And you learn so much you gain so much.
• 47:33
  And you realize that many artists including pop artists
• 47:36
  are often heavily inspired by artists.
• 47:39
  You never would have thought about.
• 47:41
  Like it's just crazy to really think about, but let's explore.
• 47:46
  Yeah, I sort of explore because it's not often you hear about
• 47:50
  people playing in glam, rock bands these days.
• 47:53
  Yeah, where did that come from? What what's the scene saying
• 47:55
  these days? Well, obviously I was brought up
• 48:01
  with like glanced off because my dad was Like probably one of the
• 48:08
  biggest glum funds out of like Motley Crue Guns and Roses Dead
• 48:14
  flat. Put it on and they so I was
• 48:19
  pretty much brought up with it. And it's just like you can get
• 48:28
  lost. They with me, I get lost in that
• 48:31
  type of music, like I get completely absorbed into it.
• 48:37
  And they kept they, when I'm singing it.
• 48:41
  I feel free enough to like, entertain the people who are
• 48:48
  watching me. They say I was doing Opera
• 48:50
  because I can't sing up for which is awful to him.
• 48:55
  You can sing opera? Yeah.
• 48:57
  Wow, I'm always tempted. Ask the demonstration Jesus.
• 49:02
  Wow, my grandma. Is a master Bob for fun.
• 49:09
  So They shared an opera song as her wedding dance.
• 49:18
  So as soon as you found out because when I sing, I've just
• 49:22
  got a natural vibrato, which helps about her a lot.
• 49:25
  Okay? So I was like started playing
• 49:27
  around with it, and I just got word that Not necessarily the
• 49:33
  greatest, but I've got. A range, thanks and good enough
• 49:38
  range for Opera I know every time because, you know, we're
• 49:43
  singers and you go to see grandparents.
• 49:45
  So your parent, they go single Summit singing.
• 49:53
  Les Miz you can't just things we tell the - of it.
• 49:59
  It's that now don't like that music.
• 50:05
  But like, I mean, I've completely forgotten what we're
• 50:10
  talking about because I've been on the tangency Young from
• 50:12
  there. I was I was just intrigued about
• 50:14
  how you got into glam-rock really, and yeah.
• 50:17
  So because it's kind of, it's a, it was very much, an 80s thing
• 50:21
  or 70s, 70s 80s, thing more, so 70s and then obviously, it went
• 50:26
  more to like hair metal in the 80s but these days I mean I
• 50:30
  still see bands like that every now and again but it's not like
• 50:35
  If you're talking more Revival territory now really, if it's
• 50:39
  good, if it comes back, it will be a viable.
• 50:41
  And, you know, the scale of that.
• 50:42
  I mean, is anyone's guess, but since you're in a senior that
• 50:46
  something that you're doing, like I just like to learn a
• 50:48
  little bit more about that, I guess.
• 50:51
  Well, Well, it doesn't really get the credit that it deserves
• 50:57
  because everyone always goes us just about sex.
• 51:00
  It's about drugs, as well as alcohol.
• 51:03
  But if you go back to the power Ballads of Guam, it's about
• 51:07
  heartbreak and love. And it's about serious topics
• 51:14
  that at that time, it I mean nowadays as for pop is he has
• 51:18
  talked about love, not very canola but at that time were
• 51:23
  Rock Graham was the only one doing it.
• 51:26
  Like we're not the only ones because there was definitely
• 51:30
  other people, but like the dance stuff.
• 51:35
  It was just your hands up in the air and dance and the formula as
• 51:43
  it Glam rocker. Yeah.
• 51:45
  There's no problem. It's getting your hands up and
• 51:47
  done but I've just been completely obsessed with the
• 51:54
  80s. Because obviously, both my
• 51:59
  parents were in the East and so the age was pretty much how I
• 52:05
  grew up even though it wasn't in the eighties because they still
• 52:10
  live. Like they were in the east.
• 52:20
  Right next to the record player, right?
• 52:23
  Rights to me with a Motley Crew vinyl in it.
• 52:27
  Good lad good lad There's Hope for the future.
• 52:32
  Yeah it's just a completely different sound to the modern.
• 52:37
  Yeah because obviously it was they used the older equipment
• 52:43
  because that's what they had at the time.
• 52:46
  The voices were a lot different. Because the voices that we have
• 52:51
  now will probably not be seen as as good as these voices.
• 52:56
  But now it's the other way around because people you at the
• 53:01
  age, people just want to have a good time so they can comes to
• 53:05
  their, just got some and with glam And how it's, like,
• 53:13
  completely different to heavy metal.
• 53:15
  And yeah, it's a type of, like, rocks.
• 53:23
  That's metal thing that you get, the heavy Vibe out of it.
• 53:26
  You definitely get in there, all that stuff.
• 53:31
  But it's like, you can move around to it and you can they be
• 53:37
  lit in there? there's when you singing glam,
• 53:46
  it's a it allows you to put more emotion in than what it does
• 53:49
  singing like death metal, black metal and all that anybody.
• 53:53
  But a lot of people might disagree with you.
• 53:56
  Yes. Lord here.
• 54:12
  but I do respect it, and I do think that it's Should stay
• 54:20
  because it makes. A lot of people happy, it makes
• 54:24
  a lot of people feel the same way and it does move certain
• 54:28
  people, but with glum, it can move. more people in a sense
• 54:36
  that it's more of his honor that most people can not get their
• 54:44
  head around to listen to, and I are.
• 54:47
  Okay. Not like, I want to listen to
• 54:49
  us, but like, Yeah. I'm alright with this being on
• 54:55
  but like because obviously a lot of people in my family they like
• 55:00
  G but like then they'd be like death metal and they're like, I
• 55:04
  can't understand a word he's saying.
• 55:07
  And then on occasions, I have to go.
• 55:09
  So she has to be there. It goes like I've seen a lot of
• 55:18
  women. Death metal vocalists.
• 55:20
  Yeah. Who have really good and it at
• 55:25
  what they do. And just say, You have got to be
• 55:30
  really skilled but also you have to love that.
• 55:34
  So monster put the time and effort into learning how to do
• 55:37
  that because it's not a skill. That just comes naturally.
• 55:43
  Pretty much take. You have to.
• 55:45
  Learn is true. You do have to work at it.
• 55:47
  Like I can sing the Distortion could obviously on my Glam Rock
• 55:51
  eyeball. I can't sing like that.
• 55:56
  They hmm and I've tried and I can't so it's just say you have
• 56:01
  to really love it to do that. Let's go back there.
• 56:05
  In that sensor. It is loved by a lot of people.
• 56:10
  In a certain group of people who just love metal.
• 56:17
  I think, I think glam metal is it's a shame how?
• 56:24
  Because obviously used to be one of the most popular, if not the
• 56:27
  most popular genre at the time, it was dating me and I'm not
• 56:37
  really bothered that it's not. The top anymore.
• 56:40
  But it it is a bit of a shame that it's considered like, a
• 56:48
  dead genre by a lot of people, a lot of people think it because
• 56:53
  to be fair, and I know that if I'm going to get anywhere with,
• 56:57
  but I'm already starting to get somewhere, but if I'm going to
• 57:01
  get Today, a point web. People are, okay, listening to
• 57:07
  us and not going on. They turn that off.
• 57:11
  Or are we just leaving the gig? Hmm.
• 57:16
  It is a hard job because it's a Jean has considered dead by a
• 57:20
  lot of people not by me. Because obviously, I love it.
• 57:26
  But like a lot of people, they have a lot of negative things to
• 57:32
  say about it. When there are also a lot of
• 57:35
  positive things to say about, because obviously being in that
• 57:38
  genre, I know the nigga is like, I know that ain't Glam.
• 57:43
  They didn't really toward the best about women and hmm.
• 57:48
  But then you look at rap, which is one of the biggest things and
• 57:53
  genre in the world right now, they talked even worse about it.
• 58:00
  Yeah, I mean it I suppose there's always an opportunity
• 58:03
  isn't there too? To change that German like, oh
• 58:06
  so you obviously had work done by answer, we talked about
• 58:10
  right. all the Glam stuff, but we We have made it an agreement
• 58:17
  with each other that we aren't going to have anything in our
• 58:20
  songs, which has a talking negatively about any gender or
• 58:27
  sexuality or whatever like it. Because obviously, it's not,
• 58:32
  right? Because there are like a lot of
• 58:34
  songs we say negative stuff about gay people, people saying
• 58:40
  stuff about women and we don't, we just don't want to be that
• 58:44
  bad. if we want to be a band that accepts everyone, because
• 58:51
  Obviously, you are who you are and you can't change it because
• 58:55
  if you do, try to change it. You just going to Be stopped in
• 58:59
  a place that you don't want to be.
• 59:02
  Yeah, totally agreement. It's really refreshing to hear
• 59:05
  that as well. I think these days, it's
• 59:08
  important to recognize and it always has been.
• 59:10
  But I think it's especially important now with the Advent of
• 59:13
  the internet and the reach and everything, accessibility two
• 59:16
  things, music and media Etc. It's even more important to be
• 59:20
  conscientious of what you're putting out there and to make
• 59:23
  sure it's appropriate and then it you know like for instance in
• 59:29
  my community online, I get People from all walks of life,
• 59:33
  backgrounds, you name it. Sometimes you get like
• 59:37
  unfortunate, horrible trolls and they try to make fun of things.
• 59:40
  And that one thing I've always been big on is that trans rights
• 59:44
  and stuff, you know, it's not something that I thought I would
• 59:47
  find myself. You know, coming out and being
• 59:50
  public about sport like obviously I quietly supported it
• 59:52
  but I just never did. I mean, like I never felt like
• 59:56
  I'd be I always thought I'd just be a quiet, kind of supporter of
• 59:59
  things and that's it and just and do my My own thing kind of
• 1:00:03
  thing. But then I started seeing like
• 1:00:04
  trolls in the comments saying nasty things.
• 1:00:06
  And I always made a point of being like, hey, just so, you
• 1:00:08
  know, I support this Fuck these trolls.
• 1:00:13
  And I think bringing it back to the music like it's important to
• 1:00:16
  make those statements and to be like, hey yeah, we're in support
• 1:00:19
  of this. We're in support because when
• 1:00:21
  you, when you say that, like, sometimes people might look at
• 1:00:23
  that and be like whatever, like who cares, right?
• 1:00:26
  You know, just do what you're doing.
• 1:00:27
  Stop making statements. But sometimes it's important for
• 1:00:29
  people to hear that, you support that because it's like, oh,
• 1:00:33
  okay, they support me. They support, who I am.
• 1:00:36
  And once used to be, that's one of the big reasons why Bye.
• 1:00:42
  Why we want but we're not going to put any lyrics are like, mmm,
• 1:00:50
  they just being horrible to. Yeah that's like any sexuality
• 1:00:54
  or gender or race or whatever because we want like people who
• 1:00:58
  do dig on use it, we want them to feel like Because obviously
• 1:01:04
  there are fans. We want to include our funds.
• 1:01:07
  They we don't want them to go are they won't accept me.
• 1:01:14
  Being like their Farms, won't accept me being a fan because
• 1:01:19
  I'm trans, or I'm gay or whatever and I'm just, I just
• 1:01:24
  want to be this. I want our band to be an open
• 1:01:28
  space, a space for anyone to be able to show who they are and
• 1:01:37
  just be who they are. Because if you're not being who
• 1:01:40
  you are, as I said before, what not be stuck in a good place.
• 1:01:45
  We're going to be talking about those because you're pretending
• 1:01:48
  entertainment. The reason.
• 1:01:50
  Why why I think that people really need is for who they are.
• 1:01:56
  Obviously I'm not. I'm a straight man, but like I
• 1:02:02
  have had to hide who I was for a long time, because no one really
• 1:02:08
  accepted me because obviously, I'm autistic and I have ADHD.
• 1:02:16
  I've got a lot of issues that people didn't accept about me,
• 1:02:19
  and I had to hide away. So where people just went our,
• 1:02:25
  he's thick, he's gone because I was hiding the fact that I
• 1:02:29
  actually have it. She's a autism and ADHD they go.
• 1:02:33
  Yeah. He's just a hyper little twat or
• 1:02:35
  a sorry if that's the word, I can't say for sure there's a lot
• 1:02:41
  of things that people didn't accept about me when I did open
• 1:02:45
  up. About it.
• 1:02:47
  But when I did open up about it I felt like there was a huge
• 1:02:53
  weight lifted off my shoulders and I was just like, all right,
• 1:02:58
  so you don't actually you're not an actual friend because you
• 1:03:02
  left. So I'm fine with that.
• 1:03:05
  How we find my people because when you start to be who you
• 1:03:12
  are, you find out who really cares about you and he doesn't
• 1:03:19
  reach as they major thing in life because you find out the
• 1:03:22
  people who don't care about you and you just leave them to not
• 1:03:28
  care and you just don't care about them.
• 1:03:29
  We just own easier said than done but like you can start to
• 1:03:36
  build the process of they don't like me.
• 1:03:40
  So I'm just going to leave and find the people who do So that
• 1:03:46
  that's because pretty much all of the band members, actually,
• 1:03:50
  every single one of us, including our managers had
• 1:03:54
  issues in the past of not being accepted. so, We want people to
• 1:04:04
  feel accepted by us because we do accept everyone.
• 1:04:09
  So we want everyone to feel that way.
• 1:04:11
  Beautiful message, man. I'm sorry to hear you.
• 1:04:14
  Had to go through those two to experience that if you had a
• 1:04:20
  message that you could send to anyone who might be in a similar
• 1:04:25
  position, what would it be? The DM.
• 1:04:32
  Stay true to who you are. No matter, what anyone says,
• 1:04:37
  don't try and hide yourself away because if you hide yourself
• 1:04:40
  away, you just don't forget who you are and you're not going to
• 1:04:43
  like being in the place that you're in.
• 1:04:45
  So, never hide Who You Are. And never give up on what you
• 1:04:50
  want to do. Because no matter what, people
• 1:04:52
  say, as your limit, your limit is whatever you think it is.
• 1:04:57
  So, if you believe you can make it go for it.
• 1:05:02
  Inspiring stuff. Thank you so much for sharing.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah. I'm just going to hit you up
• 1:05:07
  like a bunch of random questions so we'll see.
• 1:05:09
  You see how you get along with all these, what does Human Being
• 1:05:14
  Human mean to you? It's a to me, it's a blessing,
• 1:05:23
  having life and being able to go through this journey from start
• 1:05:30
  to finish. It's a complete blessing to be
• 1:05:34
  able to have that to be able to go through this journey through
• 1:05:39
  the good times and the bad times because there are bad times.
• 1:05:44
  But then you always enjoy the good times and even sometimes
• 1:05:46
  switched on. You don't even realize, but the
• 1:05:51
  bad times make the good times that much better.
• 1:05:56
  So, I think that's a complete blessing to be alive and to be
• 1:05:59
  human. Beautiful.
• 1:06:01
  I have to say very wise for your AIDS.
• 1:06:03
  I'm very impressed. I wish I wish I had my shit
• 1:06:06
  together at your age loads. Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Very very impressed then clearly very well raised.
• 1:06:11
  What would you like your legacy to be?
• 1:06:16
  I wanted to be a legacy of acceptance and being free to be
• 1:06:23
  who you are. And I wanted to be a legacy of a
• 1:06:26
  like it's hard to put this into words because I know I'm trying
• 1:06:34
  to say just a legacy of be who you are, don't let anyone drive
• 1:06:45
  you down and a legacy of Just done.
• 1:06:50
  Some live shows, please, please dance.
• 1:06:58
  What's the best advice you've ever received?
• 1:07:04
  It's probably from my grandma, a couple years back when I was
• 1:07:08
  going through a really tough time of depression and trying to
• 1:07:16
  commit suicide, many times a power.
• 1:07:19
  Sorry to hear that she, she she's gone through the same
• 1:07:25
  things as me, which I never knew until I opened up about her.
• 1:07:28
  And she told me And I never knew that because she's the most Sake
• 1:07:33
  O be in happy personal. And she just said, The world.
• 1:07:44
  Never stops for anyone but you can keep up with it.
• 1:07:52
  And don't let anyone push you down so you can't keep up with
• 1:07:56
  it. Because if you don't get up
• 1:08:01
  after being pushed down, you're not going to catch up.
• 1:08:05
  But if you keep getting up after every here, you will eventually
• 1:08:09
  catch up to the world. Deep stuff right there, thanks
• 1:08:16
  to Sharon, for sure. Is it C is a very wise woman.
• 1:08:22
  What's the biggest life lesson? You've learned so far?
• 1:08:25
  The biggest life lesson, and, Probably that. whatever you want
• 1:08:37
  to do, you can do it, but you have to put in the work, no
• 1:08:41
  matter how good you are, no matter how good you think you
• 1:08:44
  are or how good do you actually, are you have to work for it and
• 1:08:50
  you have to put effort and time into it because if you don't,
• 1:08:55
  even if you're the best thing in the world, if you're not putting
• 1:08:58
  the time and effort in no one's going to know it's because You
• 1:09:03
  know, out there for people to see.
• 1:09:07
  So it's just work for what you want and you will end up getting
• 1:09:12
  it. But you got to work and you
• 1:09:15
  gotta put in the effort in the time for it could not agree.
• 1:09:19
  More man. Could not agree more.
• 1:09:21
  He mentioned them off camera before before we begin that you
• 1:09:25
  live on a farm. I've I've, I've lived on a farm
• 1:09:28
  before. Let's trade Farm stories, talk
• 1:09:31
  to me about living on a farm. Well, first office as usual.
• 1:09:36
  Before we actually got started, Wi-Fi is awful, but it's good.
• 1:09:47
  It's like everywhere around you is nature.
• 1:09:54
  There is very few stuff around you which is my maid.
• 1:09:58
  And you can just enjoy the nature and enjoy.
• 1:10:01
  What? What ended up being created?
• 1:10:07
  On this Earth. by reason, I don't know, but it's is living
• 1:10:13
  on a farm is beautiful because it's just nature all around you
• 1:10:20
  and also that animals that are there, like, It's amazing.
• 1:10:27
  Just seeing them every day and apart from, when you wake up is
• 1:10:34
  really annoying because they use the ones that do wake you up.
• 1:10:38
  When you meet people from the city and stuff, do you ever
• 1:10:41
  notice or that may be friends? That you have that have
• 1:10:43
  completely different upbringings, like maybe more
• 1:10:45
  residential, something like that.
• 1:10:47
  Is there anything that you notice that starkly different in
• 1:10:50
  your perspective as a result of having lived on a farm?
• 1:10:58
  I think it's more like I'm more in touch with the nature side of
• 1:11:03
  stuff and that they just walking through but buildings every day
• 1:11:09
  and I'm just like Vulcan through Bulls every shit.
• 1:11:18
  So it's just like, It is, it is different, but obviously there
• 1:11:25
  are definite, some of the similarities as well, but it is
• 1:11:30
  different than the way that would be brought up because
• 1:11:32
  obviously being brought up in a city completely changes, they
• 1:11:37
  prospective and all that and being brought up on a farm,
• 1:11:41
  like, I have been dating. It. it also changes your
• 1:11:50
  perspective in a different way because they oh, burning the
• 1:11:56
  completely different lady and the city.
• 1:12:00
  You got loads of people around you and you used to having
• 1:12:04
  everyone around you and all the buildings and all and someone
• 1:12:10
  raised on a farm like me. Used to. being alone, most of
• 1:12:16
  the time not like in a bad way because obviously I did and I
• 1:12:23
  still do have friends but I'm used to being by myself on the
• 1:12:31
  times. I'm just say doing nothing.
• 1:12:34
  But they because I can't really ask someone.
• 1:12:41
  Do you wanna go out today on this?
• 1:12:42
  I want to go miles Isaiah Expedition.
• 1:12:47
  Yeah, so I'm by myself most of the time over than times.
• 1:12:56
  I'm with my band, but I do still try to make sure that I spend
• 1:13:00
  time with my friends who aren't in the band because obviously,
• 1:13:03
  but the Bonsai family, they but my friends are still need to be.
• 1:13:11
  A part of the lines and still be there.
• 1:13:15
  So it's pretty much. I mean, it's similar like very,
• 1:13:22
  very close, but there are some massive differences on my when
• 1:13:28
  you live on a farm. You brought up pretty much.
• 1:13:33
  Having few people around you. and then, when you brought up,
• 1:13:41
  And see, there's loads of people around you.
• 1:13:46
  So, because I had, She dropped out of school.
• 1:13:59
  Ages ago. So I was even more by myself.
• 1:14:03
  He said, okay, what I would have before then And just for the
• 1:14:10
  people watching at, don't recommend dropping out, stay in
• 1:14:15
  school and keep yourself educated and try to beat that.
• 1:14:21
  You can cuz You think it'll be more exciting not being in
• 1:14:28
  education, but just as boring. So, what you doing now, instead
• 1:14:33
  of school always, you know, you're a bit older now, you're
• 1:14:35
  18, how you you work in? Do you have, like, a particular
• 1:14:40
  career field that you're working on, in addition to the music?
• 1:14:46
  Right now, I'm a bartender. All right?
• 1:14:52
  local pub and Villages just like Five, ten minutes away from me.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah. And then on my time off do music
• 1:15:06
  and gig grounding all are Which is a weird combination jobs
• 1:15:15
  because it doesn't leave you with that much time.
• 1:15:19
  Hmm, what you want to do? Because obviously, sometimes in
• 1:15:22
  there all night and but, it pays so I'm not happy with it but
• 1:15:31
  it's a decent job but like Some of the people in the bar.
• 1:15:39
  Just idiots. And Not not in like a bad way
• 1:15:44
  but like you know, like sometimes can be a bit mean
• 1:15:48
  we're like okay what by that? I mean I'm not really with the
• 1:15:52
  words because they try to play around too hmm.
• 1:15:55
  So friends. Yeah I've been locked in the
• 1:15:59
  cellar before by someone. I was just trying to restock the
• 1:16:08
  He drinks. And then there's this one guy,
• 1:16:11
  which is a story that I find quite funny now, didn't at the
• 1:16:15
  time, but now I find it quite funny.
• 1:16:18
  There's this, there's this man who He tried it.
• 1:16:24
  He ordered a plane. He tried to get away with not
• 1:16:28
  paying for it and I said, may need to pay for, and said, I
• 1:16:33
  did, he said, I did, he serve doesn't just like, I literally
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  remember. It was me serving you.
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  And it was like, we just be nice and I was like, well, I just
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  hate for it to spin. Nice.
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  We do it. I just left off.
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  Come on really makes race pretty much the house is the job.
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  And then after that, he actually went into swing for it and just
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  like me, I don't care how many times you going to swing.
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  It is, I'm still gonna keep asking, but I'm worried cause we
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  job. But, anyway, see you just?
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  You just like this. You're like, can you Hi click
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  customer service stories for your time.
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  Haven't got a crazy customer story but I've got a crazy
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  co-worker story. Go for it. the don't work
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  anymore there because they got fired but They were the one to
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  drink on the job because the alcohol was there to do it.
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  So we've been doing that for a while and had been caught and
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  then I just saw them. We just like what in the world
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  he did. There's literally a customer
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  waiting. There's just happen to you by
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  yourself a drink. They know, no enjoy it.
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  There was like 15 people waiting to be served and they're in the
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  tri just pouring themselves and kind of just when I first
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  started just early years serving a pint and then saw him step it
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  and I'm just like, What is he's just like?
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  Wait wait a bit longer because I'm here now.
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  But you gotta serve them and it's not as cool as I made it
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  out to be. But it's just, I can I can never
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  I can imagine the awkwardness because I've worked as a
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  bartender worked Pause, I know how is this?
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  Some people just really awkward that what there was a guy that
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  was caused in in the place that I worked most recently and it
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  was just, it was just fascinating in retrospect
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  because it happened once or twice.
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  So, we started monitoring them and then they just kept doing it
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  and we're like, wow. Like I wonder how many drinks
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  they're going to steal. He got to like five in the end
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  and then we discovered this guy was like stealing from the till
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  stealing from other servers. It was It was kind of wild in
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  retrospect was like I can't believe.
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  Believe this guy was here for this long and got away of this
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  this long like wow okay keep away and as we bought more than
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  people think. Yeah I think he thought he could
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  get away over as well because I remember what I remember being
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  told about how he got fired. And apparently, The Story Goes
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  that the the manager had some Choice words for him and then
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  The guy said I what how did you catch me or not have maybe know
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  how did you catch me about? Or what's your proof is what he
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  said. And he said me we have you on
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  CCTV it. Apparently the guys response was
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  a fuck like, oh no, you remembered my master plan and
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  it's like, dude, there's cameras everywhere like in the
• 1:20:13
  particular bar that he was working at say this is the
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  station where it's working. Making these drinks, right?
• 1:20:18
  The cameras, literally right there.
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  So it's like overhead sees everything that you're doing,
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  there's no way you can be seen unless you're Underneath that
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  camera like making a drink. It's just bizarre.
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  Yeah, I guess maybe just was a bit dim, I don't know.
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  I mean, you're only got these, these types of stories from bar
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  where it's true. It's true.
• 1:20:40
  As we draw things to a close for today.
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  Do you have any upcoming projects or some final thoughts
• 1:20:44
  that you'd like to share with our listeners?
• 1:20:46
  Well, we've got a gig that we rehearse and for whoo.
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  Quite Quite heavily. It's not too soon but that it's
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  on the 26th of August and it apart in the park in more Perth,
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  tickets are being sold. So if you want to check us out
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  they're not too expensive to take it.
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  So if you do want to check us out we'll have not told us the
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  name of your band mate. What's the name of the band
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  record Les way? Things.
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  There's, which actually ties in with another thing is actually
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  m. we do have a weird inside joke with funds on band members
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  and even the manager which is a they because something is not
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  our name once in the went, because we're talking about the
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  band and the mispronounced a name like Also check out lesbian
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  wings, like I'm just like, not all named not on it, he just
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  took it anyway, why not? Yeah, go with it.
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  Yeah, that's what, yeah. So, apparently, I don't even
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  know if this is true. I just got told that is the in
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  friends Fresh. So you just say, All right, we
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  just call the wings and I'm we just found out what that man?
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  Who gets like, so the wings sounds.
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  Pretty terrible. Pretty sure it's taken as well.
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  Yeah, I think so. I was told that is so
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  influential. Why not just do Les Wings.
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  Anyway, the girls off the tongue.
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  It sounds cool. So we just went with it right on
• 1:22:59
  man. Well, I wish you the very best
• 1:23:01
  of luck with your gig and you're gigging, and then I know you'll
• 1:23:04
  do well, got a good head on. Those shoulders are going to be
• 1:23:07
  absolutely fine and yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure having
• 1:23:10
  you on the show. Thank you so much.
• 1:23:12
  You know, my pleasure. It's been great.
• 1:23:15
  Thank you so much and to the listeners of the My podcast is
• 1:23:18
  always be safe. Be well, and I'll see you in the
• 1:23:21
  next one.