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How Timing, Paint Quality, and Design Choices Change Your Home · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Home
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Speaker 1: in Progress by Repcolite Paints, sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And
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Speaker 1: first things first, I've got to get this out of
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Speaker 1: the way right away. Last weekend there was a mistake
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Speaker 1: at the station and they ended up airing the same
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Speaker 1: first segment two weeks in a row. I apologize about that. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: it was a segment about me, you know, grating cheese
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Speaker 1: for pizzas and accidentally grating my knuckles as I did so.
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Speaker 1: So it was a little gross and you had to
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Speaker 1: hear it twice, you know, and again I apologize about that.
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Speaker 1: It was out of my hands, but I apologize. However,
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Speaker 1: some good came out of it. One of our contractors, Joe,
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Speaker 1: I won't say his last name because he didn't give
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Speaker 1: me permission to do so. But one of our contractors, Joe,
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Speaker 1: heard that segment this second time and he sent me
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Speaker 1: a link for a gore rotary grading tool. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this thing is absolutely amazing. You know. You slap it
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Speaker 1: on your counter. It's got a little suction cup thing
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Speaker 1: that holds it in place, and it will grate cheese,
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Speaker 1: it will chop vegetables, all kinds of things. I don't
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Speaker 1: have to touch it. I just put the stuff in
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Speaker 1: a little hopper and I got a little tool to
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Speaker 1: kind of mush it down, and I just spin it
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Speaker 1: and it grates it automatically. You know. It's hands free,
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Speaker 1: you know. So I'm not going to be grading parts
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Speaker 1: of myself into the pizzas, into the cheese for the
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Speaker 1: pizzas anymore. You know. That's great for everybody, you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just so pleased with this now. Of course, the
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Speaker 1: model that he sent me, the link to the model
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Speaker 1: that he sent me, was a primo model, you know,
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Speaker 1: absolutely primo and so far out of my budget that
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Speaker 1: I almost passed out when I saw the price tag,
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Speaker 1: because when I saw the picture, I was pumped. When
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Speaker 1: I clicked the link and saw the price tag, that's
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Speaker 1: when I passed out. But when I came too, I
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Speaker 1: searched further online and found something similar, you know, the
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Speaker 1: cheapot fake version. I found that, you know, something that
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Speaker 1: I could afford, and I bought it immediately. I had
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Speaker 1: it within hours, and it's now sitting proudly in my
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Speaker 1: kitchen waiting to be called into service. I'm just hoping
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Speaker 1: that the cheapo model won't. You know, who knows. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I'll be finger free next week and I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: about the mishap that happened. It still won't be Joe's fault, though,
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Speaker 1: because Joe linked me to the real deal I cheaped out.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm super pumped. Every time I make pizzas,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to think about Joe. Every time my family
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Speaker 1: eats pizzas that are topped only with cheese and legit
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Speaker 1: pizza toppings, They're gonna think of Joe. So anyway, I
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about that a minute. Now that's out
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Speaker 1: of the way. Let's get onto business, and let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the weather. Now. I know we're in April, and
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Speaker 1: I know we've had some decent days, but I'm still leery, right,
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Speaker 1: still leary, still a little cautious. This is Michigan, after all.
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Speaker 1: You know, I made it through March. But if we
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Speaker 1: get a lot more cold weather, which we undoubtedly will,
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Speaker 1: I know it's coming. When that happens, I'm gonna be
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Speaker 1: so crabby because cold weather this time of year always
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Speaker 1: brings out the child in me, you know, not the
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Speaker 1: happy child, the one tossing a temper tantrum in the
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Speaker 1: grocery store because he wants a candy bar, and Mom said, no,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want a candy bar. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's an analogy, an analogy. I could have said that
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Speaker 1: a lot cleaner. It's an analogy. But what I do
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Speaker 1: want is to go outside and not have to scrape
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Speaker 1: a layer of frost off the windshield for any number
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Speaker 1: of reasons. One because I'm sick of it. I'm sick
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Speaker 1: of scraping frost off and I'm sick of being cold.
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Speaker 1: And two, this is probably the biggest reason. I'm short.
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Speaker 1: And I drive a ridiculous truck. You know, it's a
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Speaker 1: work vehicle, and I'm very appreciative. You know, it's wonderful
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Speaker 1: to have this, but I need to be picked up
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Speaker 1: every morning and lifted into the driver's seat basically, or
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Speaker 1: I need a running start and then I need to
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Speaker 1: jump to get in. So you can only imagine what
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Speaker 1: scraping the windshield is like for me. So anyway, blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah, I'm sick, sick, six, sick of the cold weather,
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Speaker 1: I'm sick of March, all of that. But we're heading
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Speaker 1: into April, and that means that eventually the weather's going
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Speaker 1: to get consistent and warmer, and spring is eventually going
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Speaker 1: to get here, and when that starts to happen, in fact,
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Speaker 1: it's already starting to happen right now. When the weather
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Speaker 1: starts to turn even a little bit, people start asking
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Speaker 1: about exterior painting. They want to know when is it
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Speaker 1: okay to get outside and start working. Well, years back,
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Speaker 1: you had to wait for temperatures between fifty and eighty
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Speaker 1: five degrees. However, in the early two thousands, paint manufacturers
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Speaker 1: Repcolite among them, started releasing exterior paints could be used
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Speaker 1: in temperatures down to forty degrees and less, and the
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Speaker 1: actual labels on those cans usually say down to thirty
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Speaker 1: five degrees, which is really kind of nuts. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's just above freezing products that do that really change
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Speaker 1: when your painting season can begin. But of course, you
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Speaker 1: know it's not just straight up that easy. There's a
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Speaker 1: catch or a caveat, or a few concepts to keep
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Speaker 1: in mind. Temperature is only one piece of the puzzle.
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Speaker 1: There are a couple other factors that matter just as much,
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Speaker 1: maybe more, And if you get these wrong, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: really matter what paint you're using. So let's walk through them.
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Speaker 1: The first thing you need to keep in mind is
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Speaker 1: something most homeowners don't think about, and it's this the
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Speaker 1: temperature that we see on our phones. That's just the
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Speaker 1: air temperature. But what actually matters when you're painting is
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Speaker 1: something that we talk about all the time on the
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Speaker 1: show here. It's the surface temp you know, the temperature
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Speaker 1: of the siding, the wood, the trim that you're putting
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Speaker 1: paint on, and those can be very different. You know,
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Speaker 1: the air temperature to the surface temperature, they could be
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Speaker 1: very different. You know, picture the west side of your
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Speaker 1: heard house on a cool spring morning. The air might
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Speaker 1: be fifty five degrees, feels fine out there, maybe the
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Speaker 1: sun is starting to warm things up, but that west
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Speaker 1: wall has been in the shade all morning. You know,
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Speaker 1: that surface might easily still be hovering around forty degrees
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Speaker 1: or lower depending on the night temps, and it's possible
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Speaker 1: it could be too cold for the paint. So surface temperature.
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Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, and if you're curious about how
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Speaker 1: you figure that out, just get a very inexpensive infrared
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Speaker 1: thermometer twenty bucks. You can pick this up and that
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Speaker 1: will tell you what that surface temperature is and you
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Speaker 1: can use it on all kinds of other things. You know,
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Speaker 1: people use it for cooking and grilling and all kinds
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Speaker 1: of other things. But it will definitely help you figure
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Speaker 1: it out the surface temperature when you're painting. So we've
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Speaker 1: got air temperature and surface temperature covered. Now, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about dew point. Dew forms when the surface gets cold
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Speaker 1: enough that the moisture in the surrounding air can no
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Speaker 1: longer stay airborne. It condenses, it settles under the surfaces
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Speaker 1: water droplets, and the temperature where that happens is called
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Speaker 1: the dew point. So the general rule when you're painting
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Speaker 1: outside is that your surface temperature should be at least
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Speaker 1: five degrees above the due point before you start painting.
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Speaker 1: A lot of pros like ten degrees just to be safe.
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Speaker 1: This isn't really all that complicated. Maybe it sounds complicated,
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Speaker 1: but it's not. Our phones weather apps usually give us
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Speaker 1: the due point. Just compare that due point to the
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Speaker 1: surface temperature. If your surface temperature is fifty five and
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Speaker 1: the due point is forty eight, you're in good shape.
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Speaker 1: If they're getting close and that surface temperature isn't more
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Speaker 1: than five degrees over the dew point, it's probably worth
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Speaker 1: waiting a bit, and this becomes especially important at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day because as the temperature drops, you
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Speaker 1: can get into trouble pretty quickly. All right, now, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about moisture in the surface that you're painting. This
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Speaker 1: is one that can absolutely ruin a paint job, and
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Speaker 1: it's really common this time of year. Wood is poorous,
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Speaker 1: it absorbs water, and after a wet winter, after rain
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Speaker 1: in the spring, that moisture can still be inside the
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Speaker 1: wood even if the surface feels dry in the sun.
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Speaker 1: And even previously painted surfaces, they're not immune. You know.
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Speaker 1: Water can get in through cracks, it can get in
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Speaker 1: through endngrain, it can get in around trim and so on.
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Speaker 1: Metal and vinyl they're different. You don't have moisture inside
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Speaker 1: of them. But wood and masonry you gotta pay attention.
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Speaker 1: And no amount of good prep, no amount of prime
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Speaker 1: or no amount of premium paint is going to save you.
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Speaker 1: If the wood or the substrate is too wet, that
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Speaker 1: moisture gets trapped, tries to escape, and eventually it's going
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Speaker 1: to take the paint with it, peeling, bubbling in a failure.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do? How do you know when
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Speaker 1: a surface is dry enough to paint well. There's another
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Speaker 1: relatively inexpensive tool that can come in really handy, a
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Speaker 1: moisture meter. It's a little handheld gadget. It's going to
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Speaker 1: tell you how much moisture is in the wood or
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Speaker 1: the surface or whatever you're looking in this instance, if
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Speaker 1: you're painting outside, you're looking for a number below fifteen percent.
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Speaker 1: Once you start getting above that, you're taking on risk
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Speaker 1: when you continue to paint. If it's pushing twenty percent,
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Speaker 1: just walk away and let it keep drying. Again. This
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Speaker 1: is not an expensive tool, but it's one that can
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Speaker 1: save you from a lot of headaches. Now, speaking of headaches,
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Speaker 1: here's something that causes a fair amount of them when
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Speaker 1: people are painting outside in the early spring. It's called
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Speaker 1: surfactant leeching. And we've talked about it a lot in
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Speaker 1: the past, usually in regards to bathrooms, but it applies
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Speaker 1: outside as well. See inside your paint are compounds called
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Speaker 1: surfactants that help the paint spread and adhere and do
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Speaker 1: all kinds of paint things under normal circumstances. Normal conditions,
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Speaker 1: you never even really notice that they're there. But if you,
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Speaker 1: let's say, paint too late into the early evening in
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Speaker 1: you know, early spring or late fall, and the paint
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Speaker 1: doesn't have time to dry before the temps drop overnight
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Speaker 1: and do forms. Well, those surfactants can get pulled to
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Speaker 1: the surface, and what you end up seeing are streaks,
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes shiny, sometimes slightly discolored, usually more noticeable
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Speaker 1: on darker colors. You know, here's the classic scenario. You've
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Speaker 1: got a beautiful sixty two degree afternoon, so you paint
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Speaker 1: the sunny side of the house. Everything feels perfect, right,
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Speaker 1: you nailed it. But then the night comes in and
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Speaker 1: it drops down to thirty eight or so do forms,
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Speaker 1: and the paint was still curing. Now you end up
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Speaker 1: in the morning you find streaking on the house. You
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Speaker 1: don't wake up streaking, Oh please, no, don't wake up streaking.
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Speaker 1: You wake up, get dressed, fully dressed, You go outside,
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Speaker 1: and you find streaking on the house. People have a
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Speaker 1: meltdown at that point. Now, the good news is that
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Speaker 1: it's mostly cosmetic. It's gonna fade over time. But it
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Speaker 1: doesn't look great right at the beginning. And it's kind
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Speaker 1: of the thing that really really frustrates people. The way
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Speaker 1: around it is relatively simple. Don't just look at the
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Speaker 1: daytime high pay attention to what's going to be happening
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Speaker 1: overnight too. That's one thing you can do. Another thing
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Speaker 1: you can do, and this is probably the best thing
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Speaker 1: you can do, and it's going to help you with
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Speaker 1: a lot of the different variables or situations that we've
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Speaker 1: been talking about. It's to use the right product, you know,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about just a low temp paint.
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Speaker 1: That's important, but this is something a little different than that.
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Speaker 1: It offers a little more than just being a low
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Speaker 1: temp paint. Benjamin Moore's element Guard it's definitely something to
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Speaker 1: consider here. We talk about it a lot on the show.
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Speaker 1: It came out a couple of years ago, but I
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Speaker 1: really like this product. First off, it can be applied
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Speaker 1: at low temps, you know, like we've been discussing. But
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Speaker 1: more importantly, it's rain resistant. It's moisture resistant in as
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Speaker 1: little as sixty minutes. You know, most exterior paints need
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Speaker 1: several hours before they can handle any moisture. Element Guard
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Speaker 1: is formulated to handle humidity, damp conditions, even wind driven
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Speaker 1: rain much faster, you know. And what's really interesting to
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Speaker 1: me is you can control a lot of the things
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Speaker 1: that we talked about. You can paint at the right time,
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Speaker 1: you can make sure that the surface isn't damp, and
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Speaker 1: all of those things. You can do all the right
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Speaker 1: prep work, but it's really it's not possible to control
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Speaker 1: the weather. You know, we can watch the weather see
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Speaker 1: what we think is coming, but we can't control it.
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Speaker 1: Element Guard kind of gives you that silver bullet or
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Speaker 1: that safety net against the unexpected. Okay, so element Guard
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Speaker 1: from Benjamin Moore, think about that if you're painting outside.
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Speaker 1: Before I wrap all of this up, let's bring everything
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Speaker 1: together into what I hope is a simple schedule for
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Speaker 1: painting outdoors in the morning. Generally speaking, don't rush it,
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Speaker 1: wait for the dew to burn off, check your surface temperature,
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Speaker 1: and then make sure you're at least five degrees above
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Speaker 1: the due point. Now, traditionally most painters aren't starting outside
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Speaker 1: until nine or ten in the morning this time of year.
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Speaker 1: With a product like element Guard, you can often move
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Speaker 1: that up a couple hours, which adds up over the
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Speaker 1: course of a project. So if you're a contractor on
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Speaker 1: a schedule. Element Guard again another reason to think about it.
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Speaker 1: You can start earlier during the day. You're going to
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Speaker 1: want to follow the sun around your house. Start on
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Speaker 1: the east side, move south and west. Avoid surfaces that
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Speaker 1: are getting too hot in direct sunlight. If you run
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Speaker 1: into that. When it comes time to stop, give yourself
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Speaker 1: a buffer two to three hours before sunset is a
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Speaker 1: really good rule of thumb. In cooler weather, you want
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Speaker 1: that paint to start setting up before temperatures drop and
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Speaker 1: moisture becomes an issue again. And one last thing, don't
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Speaker 1: forget the overnight forecast when you're looking at this and
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Speaker 1: planning things out. Our favorite rule of thumb is this.
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Speaker 1: If it's going to be forty degrees or higher for
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours after you paint, you're good to go,
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Speaker 1: as long as you're using a low temp paint. If
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Speaker 1: it's lower than that, or it's going to dip lower
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Speaker 1: at night, lower than forty, you might want to wait.
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Speaker 1: Even though the label on the Kansas thirty five degrees,
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Speaker 1: we like to stick to forty because it's just a
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Speaker 1: really good precaution. All right, One last quick tip that
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Speaker 1: I've got for you. If you're working outside this time
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Speaker 1: of year, it's going to make a bigger difference than
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Speaker 1: a lot of people think. Keep your paint inside overnight.
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Speaker 1: You know, don't leave it in the garage, you know,
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Speaker 1: the cold groage. If the groadge is heated, you know,
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Speaker 1: leave it out there. You can live out in the
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Speaker 1: garage like that, but if it's like my garage, don't
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Speaker 1: leave it there. It's going to get cold. That's been
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Speaker 1: sitting at thirty eight degrees. You know, overnight doesn't behave
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Speaker 1: the same way as one at room temperature. It's thicker,
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Speaker 1: it's harder to spread, it doesn't cover as well. Just
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Speaker 1: bringing it inside the night before helps everything go on smoother.
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Speaker 1: All right, if you're thinking about tackling a project the spring,
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Speaker 1: stop out at any Repcolite and we'll walk you through
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Speaker 1: exactly what you need to know for whatever you're working on.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's shift gears just a little bit. I
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Speaker 1: want to go from talking about painting outside to painting inside.
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Speaker 1: I've been doing a fair amount of that over the
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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, and there's some interesting things that
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Speaker 1: I picked up and learned, you know, along the way.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get to that right after. This home
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Speaker 1: in progress is brought to you by Repcolite Paints and
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Moore. You know, people often think of paint as
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Speaker 1: just another line item on the project's supply list. But
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Everything you do, every hour of prep,
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Speaker 1: every stroke of the brush, all comes down to the
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Speaker 1: quality of the paint. The paint is the project. Make
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Speaker 1: sure it's the best. And we're back. You're listening to
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Speaker 1: Home in Progress by Repcolite Paint sponsored by Benjamin More.
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Speaker 1: And I don't have tons of time on this segment
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Speaker 1: because I kind of went long on the last segment,
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Speaker 1: so I want to jump straight in, get straight to it.
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Speaker 1: My kid has a new house and he's been doing
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Speaker 1: a complete repaint over the last couple of weeks, you know,
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Speaker 1: just complete repaint. Everything's getting a new code of paint.
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Speaker 1: And I've helped him with some of it, not tons
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Speaker 1: of it, but I've done a couple of rooms, and
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Speaker 1: I've been there, you know, kind of a coach, right,
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Speaker 1: That's what dads are supposed to do. We're supposed to
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Speaker 1: coach from the sidelines. And I've also helped him, you know,
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Speaker 1: get the right products and all of that stuff. All right.
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Speaker 1: I talk about paint on the radio all the time,
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Speaker 1: but I don't always get all kinds of opportunities to
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Speaker 1: use every single product out there, and so when I
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Speaker 1: do get that chance, I'm always really interested to see
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Speaker 1: what I find. So getting this opportunity to actually use
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Speaker 1: some products, I was really interested. And one of the
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Speaker 1: products that we chose through most of the house is
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Speaker 1: Repcolite's Optima is a top of the line water based
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Speaker 1: paint that we make. It comes in a full range
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Speaker 1: of finishes from matt all the way up to semi gloss,
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Speaker 1: just top tier product. It's suitable for walls, for trim,
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Speaker 1: for cabinets, you name it. I've talked about it on
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Speaker 1: the show a lot, I haven't used it personally a ton.
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Speaker 1: This was going to be my first real opportunity, you know,
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Speaker 1: really cranking out a lot of a lot of different
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Speaker 1: spaces with Optima. And here's what I ran into that
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Speaker 1: really surprised me. You know, I knew it was going
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Speaker 1: to hold up and do well on the surfaces that
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Speaker 1: he was painting. Here's what really kind of caught me
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Speaker 1: off guard. Caleb and his fiance picked some really really crazy,
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Speaker 1: not crazy, some incredibly dark colors. That's what I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to say there. They picked some really dark colors for
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Speaker 1: several of the rooms in their home, and dark colors
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Speaker 1: typically don't cover very well. You know, they're notorious for
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Speaker 1: not covering well. And looking at the colors that they
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Speaker 1: had chosen, I was thinking, we're going to need at
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Speaker 1: least three coats of paint, so I'm psyching my up
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Speaker 1: for that. When I went to help him with the painting,
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Speaker 1: to help him get started with the process, Caleb hadn't
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Speaker 1: done a lot of painting in the past. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I don't think he had done any painting up until
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Speaker 1: this point. You know, now he's much more familiar with
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Speaker 1: the process and how it works, but at that point
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Speaker 1: in the beginning, he really didn't know, and so he
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Speaker 1: asked us to show him how to do some of
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Speaker 1: these things. So I went, my son, Andrew went. And Andrew's
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Speaker 1: been painting on a paint crew for a couple of
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Speaker 1: years now, so he knows what he's doing. We went
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Speaker 1: to show Caleb what to do. Anyway, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: I get there and I opened the can. You know,
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Speaker 1: I knew this color. I knew it was going to
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Speaker 1: take three coats or more to get full coverage, and
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Speaker 1: so I'm anticipating that we're going to be there forever
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Speaker 1: and we start brushing out. You know doing the cut
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Speaker 1: in work around the room, and both of us, Andrew
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Speaker 1: and I are both stunned at how well it's hiding.
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Speaker 1: And by the time we got everything rolled one coat,
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Speaker 1: we almost could have snuck by with coat. Almost. Now,
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Speaker 1: that would have been wrong. It wouldn't have been the
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Speaker 1: right thing to do, because two coats are going to
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Speaker 1: give you a truer look at your color, it's going
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Speaker 1: to give you more durability and all of that. Two
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Speaker 1: coats always the way to go. But we almost could
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Speaker 1: have snuck by with one coat. I was so happy
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Speaker 1: about that. Now. Caleb also had a dining room that
18:20
Speaker 1: the previous owner had painted a bubblegum pink. Pinks are
18:23
Speaker 1: notoriously hard to hide with a new paint color. And
18:26
Speaker 1: again we were expecting three or more coats, but we
18:28
Speaker 1: almost got that one with one with the optima. So
18:32
Speaker 1: bottom line is this, if you've chosen a deep color,
18:34
Speaker 1: a saturated color, a color that might not cover and
18:37
Speaker 1: hide very well, and you're concerned about having to apply
18:40
Speaker 1: a lot of coats of paint, or if you're painting
18:42
Speaker 1: over a color that you're worried isn't going to go quietly,
18:46
Speaker 1: give optima a try. It's priced very reasonably. You're definitely
18:50
Speaker 1: going to get by with fewer coats than you would
18:52
Speaker 1: have with other paints. We learned some things about other
18:54
Speaker 1: products that I'm going to talk about on a future episode,
18:57
Speaker 1: but that's enough for now. All right, Do you have
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Speaker 1: any idea how much benefit we gain from having greenery
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Speaker 1: in our homes? I think you're going to be surprised.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get to that right after this Home
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Speaker 1: And we're back. You're listening to Home in Progress by
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Speaker 1: Repcolite Paint, sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And for the last
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Speaker 1: little bit we've been talking about last little bit, last
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Speaker 1: few weeks, we've been talking about what your brain actually
19:38
Speaker 1: wants from the spaces that you live in. And I
19:41
Speaker 1: know that's weird. I know that's weird, but there's this
19:44
Speaker 1: you know, physiological thing going on. You know, It's not
19:48
Speaker 1: just about taste and preference. There's literally something that our
19:52
Speaker 1: brain is looking for, our nervous system is looking for
19:55
Speaker 1: in a space, and when it finds it, we automatically
19:59
Speaker 1: feel a little more comfortable. You know, design and preference
20:02
Speaker 1: and all of that. Esthetics, they're all important, but the
20:06
Speaker 1: fact that there is something going on beneath the surface,
20:09
Speaker 1: something that we really can't control, means it's worth digging
20:12
Speaker 1: into and figuring out because if there's little things that
20:15
Speaker 1: we can do that will make our brain happier, make
20:19
Speaker 1: a little happy brain for us. If we can make
20:21
Speaker 1: our brains a little happier in our spaces, our homes
20:24
Speaker 1: are going to feel more like home, more like what
20:27
Speaker 1: we want them to feel like, RESTful, peaceful, calm. All right.
20:31
Speaker 1: We've covered, you know, in past episodes, coherence, which is
20:35
Speaker 1: the thread that ties a home together and lets your
20:38
Speaker 1: nervous systems settle. We've talked about variation, you know, kind
20:41
Speaker 1: of the other side of the coin. You can have coherence,
20:44
Speaker 1: but you do need to have variation, which is just
20:47
Speaker 1: moments of contrast that keep a space from feeling flat.
20:50
Speaker 1: Last time we talked about lighting, how it regulates your mood,
20:54
Speaker 1: your sleep and your cognitive function at a biological level.
20:58
Speaker 1: You know, daylight's so important, but so is getting the
21:01
Speaker 1: right temperature of light bulb in the spaces in your home.
21:04
Speaker 1: All right, today we're going to talk about biophilic design.
21:08
Speaker 1: Biophilic design basically, it's just the idea of bringing natural
21:12
Speaker 1: elements into the spaces that we live. You know, things
21:15
Speaker 1: like wood, stone, plants, natural light texture, you know, even
21:19
Speaker 1: views of the outdoors, bringing those things into our homes intentionally.
21:25
Speaker 1: And the reason that this matters and the reason that
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm connecting it into this whole conversation about how our
21:34
Speaker 1: brain perceives our spaces is because again going back to studies.
21:39
Speaker 1: Got to love these studies that people are doing. Studies
21:42
Speaker 1: show that when you bring natural elements into a space,
21:46
Speaker 1: you get all of these benefits. People like it more,
21:49
Speaker 1: they feel better in it, they're less stressed, and they
21:51
Speaker 1: actually think more clearly. You know, there's a particular study
21:55
Speaker 1: that I'm going to get into. It's just very briefly.
21:58
Speaker 1: It shows how bringing elements of nature into a space
22:02
Speaker 1: lower's heart rates, lower's blood pressure, and again, like I
22:05
Speaker 1: just said, lowers are stress levels. And the thing that
22:07
Speaker 1: I think is great about the study is it shows
22:10
Speaker 1: that this doesn't just happen over weeks or months, you know,
22:14
Speaker 1: just being in this space for months at a time,
22:17
Speaker 1: finally I have less stress. No. In this particular study,
22:21
Speaker 1: people were put through some kind of stressful task and
22:25
Speaker 1: then they were placed into different rooms. The ones that
22:28
Speaker 1: were placed in spaces with natural elements, things like wood, light, greenery,
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Speaker 1: they recovered faster. You know, they got over their stress,
22:36
Speaker 1: over their anxiety faster. And here's the fun little factoid
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Speaker 1: for you. Those changes started happening. How long do you
22:43
Speaker 1: think it took before I give it to you? How
22:46
Speaker 1: long do you think it took them to start feeling
22:48
Speaker 1: less stress and less anxiety? In about four minutes, they
22:52
Speaker 1: were already healing, recovering, whatever you want to say from
22:57
Speaker 1: their stressful task. Basically, I think their stressful task was
23:01
Speaker 1: probably trying to remember passwords that they had to create.
23:05
Speaker 1: You know, first they're tasked with creating passwords for a
23:09
Speaker 1: number of online accounts, and then later they've got to
23:12
Speaker 1: access those accounts using all of these complicated passwords. They
23:15
Speaker 1: created incredibly stressful drives us out of our minds, and
23:20
Speaker 1: when they were removed and placed in an area with
23:23
Speaker 1: a lot of natural elements. They recovered from their stress
23:27
Speaker 1: and their anxiety in about four minutes. They were already
23:30
Speaker 1: on the road to better the other people in the
23:33
Speaker 1: other spaces. They were still four minutes down the road,
23:36
Speaker 1: ten minutes, twenty minutes down the road, still stressed and anxious.
23:39
Speaker 1: That's what natural elements, that's what this whole idea of
23:42
Speaker 1: biophilic design can do for us in our homes. It
23:45
Speaker 1: can help us calm down, help us settle. So those
23:48
Speaker 1: are just some of the benefits of biophilic design, and
23:51
Speaker 1: that all sounds pretty good, But how do we go
23:54
Speaker 1: about doing that? You know? How do we go about
23:56
Speaker 1: implementing that more thoughtfully in our homes? Is it just
23:59
Speaker 1: about bringing in loads more plants, you know, like trays
24:02
Speaker 1: and trays of plants. Will that bring about all these
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Speaker 1: good things? Well, plants are part of it, definitely part
24:08
Speaker 1: of it, and we'll talk about them at the end,
24:10
Speaker 1: But there's more to it than just that, and help
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Speaker 1: us all do a little bit better putting this idea
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Speaker 1: of biophilic design to work in our homes. I've got
24:19
Speaker 1: a few practical ideas, and the first one revolves around color.
24:23
Speaker 1: You know, Earth tones, soft greens, warm blues, topes. These
24:27
Speaker 1: are the colors of the natural world, moss, soil, sky, bark, stone, whatever.
24:32
Speaker 1: And when those colors are on your walls or in
24:35
Speaker 1: your space, your brain gets a signal, you know, a
24:38
Speaker 1: quiet it's subconscious. It gets this signal that says that
24:42
Speaker 1: this environment is connected to something natural, something familiar, something safe.
24:46
Speaker 1: Stark white walls don't do that. Cool gray walls don't
24:50
Speaker 1: do that, or at least they don't do it as
24:52
Speaker 1: much and not as easily. You know, they're not bad
24:54
Speaker 1: colors or bad choices, but they're not bringing in elements
24:58
Speaker 1: of nature in the same way, the same level as
25:01
Speaker 1: earthy you know, more natural tones will. So if you're
25:04
Speaker 1: thinking about repainting a room and you want to lean
25:07
Speaker 1: into this idea of biophilic design, we'll go towards the
25:10
Speaker 1: natural world with your color selections. You know, look out
25:13
Speaker 1: your window and pull colors right from the view. You know,
25:17
Speaker 1: unless your view is just profoundly horrible, maybe that's half
25:21
Speaker 1: your problem. If you've got a profoundly horrible view, look
25:25
Speaker 1: out another window then, or go to somebody else's house
25:28
Speaker 1: and look out their window, or just google nature and
25:32
Speaker 1: go to Google images and pull your colors from there.
25:35
Speaker 1: You know, the greens, the blues, the tans, the natural colors.
25:39
Speaker 1: And I know what's being said right now, I know
25:41
Speaker 1: what some of you are thinking. You're thinking, I don't
25:43
Speaker 1: like those colors. I really like stark white, I really
25:47
Speaker 1: like gray. You know, on and on and on. You
25:49
Speaker 1: like those colors, and that's perfectly fine. This isn't the
25:53
Speaker 1: only way to choose colors, and these aren't the only
25:55
Speaker 1: color schemes to draw from, you know, That's not what
25:58
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just talking about how are brain are
26:00
Speaker 1: naturally wired, and one of the things that makes our
26:02
Speaker 1: brains really happy and really calm and really peaceful are
26:06
Speaker 1: colors that remind it of the natural world. These aren't
26:10
Speaker 1: the only things that help our brains relax. I'm not
26:13
Speaker 1: saying that, they're just some of them. So use the
26:15
Speaker 1: colors if they appeal to you, skip them if this
26:19
Speaker 1: doesn't appeal all right. A second idea for some ways
26:22
Speaker 1: to bring biophilic design more intentionally into our homes is
26:26
Speaker 1: something you might call swapping a surface. And this is
26:28
Speaker 1: something we can do pretty easily and pretty much without
26:33
Speaker 1: any kind of real effort or real work. We're already
26:36
Speaker 1: making these decisions, not every day, but probably once or
26:40
Speaker 1: twice a week. We're making a decision along these lines.
26:43
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at is this, Let's say you've got
26:45
Speaker 1: a rug that you need to replace. What do you
26:47
Speaker 1: replace it with? Do you buy a synthetic rug or
26:50
Speaker 1: do you buy something that's wool or jute, something that's natural.
26:53
Speaker 1: When you add a shelf to a space, what are
26:56
Speaker 1: you getting Are you bringing in a painted MDF shelf
26:59
Speaker 1: or are you bringing in something that's real wood, you know,
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Speaker 1: with wood grain that you can see, you know, something
27:04
Speaker 1: that has texture and variation to it, natural variation to it.
27:09
Speaker 1: When you pick a countertop material, if you're making a
27:11
Speaker 1: big choice like that, do you go with something perfectly uniform,
27:14
Speaker 1: you know, synthetic or do you go with something natural
27:17
Speaker 1: with a little bit of movement and variation in it?
27:19
Speaker 1: You know, if your goal is to lean into biophilic
27:22
Speaker 1: design a little more intentionally in your home, then choose
27:24
Speaker 1: the natural option. When you're on the fence, you know,
27:28
Speaker 1: a woel rug underfoot, a real wood shelf with character
27:31
Speaker 1: and graining, a natural stone countertop with some veining and
27:37
Speaker 1: all of that. What we might even consider inconsistencies. You know,
27:41
Speaker 1: with all of that, those things are gold when it
27:44
Speaker 1: comes to biophilic design. Each one of them is adding
27:47
Speaker 1: that natural tone, warmth, color, and that natural variation that
27:51
Speaker 1: our brain is looking for whenever we walk into a space.
27:54
Speaker 1: And you don't have to do this all at once,
27:56
Speaker 1: you know, don't make a lot of changes all at once.
27:58
Speaker 1: Just do it when the time comes up, you know,
28:00
Speaker 1: when the situation calls for replacing this or that, just
28:04
Speaker 1: keep the natural options front and center. You know, it's
28:06
Speaker 1: a direction that you're leaning into, not something that you
28:09
Speaker 1: know you take a weekend and just swap everything over
28:11
Speaker 1: in your home. That's not the point. Just do it
28:15
Speaker 1: case by case as the situations allow. Okay, I've got
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Speaker 1: three more practical ways to implement biophilic design in your home,
28:22
Speaker 1: but we're going to get to those right after this.
28:25
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28:34
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Speaker 1: job done right. Welcome back. You're listening to Home in
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Speaker 1: Progress by Repcolite Paints, sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and we're
28:55
Speaker 1: talking about what our brain wants from the spaces that
28:58
Speaker 1: we live in, and specifically today we're talking about biophilic design,
29:02
Speaker 1: the idea that natural elements would stone, plants, text, your color.
29:07
Speaker 1: All of those things do something real to our nervous system.
29:10
Speaker 1: You know, they calm us down, They help us think
29:12
Speaker 1: more clearly, and they make us feel better in our
29:15
Speaker 1: spaces in ways that we can't always explain, but we
29:18
Speaker 1: absolutely feel. Now we've talked already about two practical ways
29:23
Speaker 1: to bring that into your own home. First off, leaning
29:26
Speaker 1: into earth tones and natural colors when you're choosing paint
29:29
Speaker 1: colors for the wall. The second thing was making small
29:32
Speaker 1: surface swaps whenever you're swapping out things like a rug
29:37
Speaker 1: or maybe shelves or something like that, instead of going
29:40
Speaker 1: to a synthetic bringing in more natural materials wherever you can. Now,
29:44
Speaker 1: along those same lines, let's get to the third idea
29:46
Speaker 1: that I've got, and it's this let a little imperfection
29:49
Speaker 1: into your home, you know, on purpose, let in imperfection.
29:53
Speaker 1: There's a Japanese design philosophy called wabi sabi, Wabi sabi
29:59
Speaker 1: wabi sabi. It's built entirely around this idea, and the
30:03
Speaker 1: concept is really simple. It's this, Beauty lives in imperfection.
30:08
Speaker 1: Beauty lives in natural variation, in the marks that time
30:11
Speaker 1: leaves behind. That's where true beauty resides, not imperfection, but
30:15
Speaker 1: in these imperfections. You know, so cracked pottery, wornwood floors,
30:20
Speaker 1: a ceramic mug that's slightly uneven because it was made
30:22
Speaker 1: by hand, a hand knotted rug, a lime washed wall,
30:26
Speaker 1: a wooden table with a knot in it. These things
30:30
Speaker 1: are richer than their synthetic perfect counterparts because they carry
30:33
Speaker 1: evidence of how they were made, where they came from,
30:36
Speaker 1: and how they've been used. You know, after years and
30:39
Speaker 1: years of chasing perfect in design, people are starting to
30:42
Speaker 1: realize something perfect doesn't always feel very good to live in.
30:46
Speaker 1: So design is starting to shift a little bit away
30:49
Speaker 1: from sterile minimalism and towards spaces that feel warmer, more natural,
30:54
Speaker 1: and a little more human. It's what our brain wants
30:56
Speaker 1: to find in a space, and, as we've been saying,
30:58
Speaker 1: when it finds that it's going to settle down. So
31:01
Speaker 1: embrace the imperfections, the handmade stuff, the natural wood, the
31:05
Speaker 1: hand woven things, the natural stone. Choose materials that offer
31:09
Speaker 1: some natural variation. And also let go of the idea
31:13
Speaker 1: that everything needs to match perfectly, that every line has
31:16
Speaker 1: to be exact, that every surface has to be flawless.
31:19
Speaker 1: I am speaking to me primarily right here, not that
31:23
Speaker 1: everything is flawless at my home. It's not. But I
31:27
Speaker 1: so struggle with this that if every line isn't exactly perfect,
31:32
Speaker 1: that somehow something has gone wrong and I need to
31:34
Speaker 1: agonize over that and fix it. I'm probably better off
31:37
Speaker 1: with those uneven lines, you know, at least to some extent.
31:41
Speaker 1: We're not looking for sloppiness here, but we are looking
31:44
Speaker 1: for just the freedom of some imperfections. You know. Just
31:49
Speaker 1: let go of the idea that everything needs to be perfect.
31:52
Speaker 1: None of it's going to mean that your home is unfinished.
31:55
Speaker 1: It just means your home is going to feel alive.
31:57
Speaker 1: And that's a really different thing, and it's a really
31:59
Speaker 1: desirable So that's the third idea, Embrace imperfection. The fourth
32:04
Speaker 1: way to bring biophilic design into your home is to
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Speaker 1: protect your views. And this is so simple, so free,
32:11
Speaker 1: basically completely free. If you've got a window with a
32:14
Speaker 1: view of something green, you know, a tree, a yard,
32:17
Speaker 1: even your neighbor's garden, whatever, treat that view like it's gold,
32:22
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a design asset. Don't block it
32:25
Speaker 1: with heavy curtains, don't put the blinds up all the time,
32:28
Speaker 1: don't position furniture with its back to it. Don't let
32:31
Speaker 1: clutter build up on the windowsill. The research on window
32:34
Speaker 1: views is really really striking. Research shows and we talked
32:38
Speaker 1: about it last week, but research shows that hospital patients
32:42
Speaker 1: who had rooms with windows that brought in natural light
32:45
Speaker 1: and the windows that had a nice view of trees,
32:48
Speaker 1: those patients recovered faster and needed less pain medication than
32:52
Speaker 1: other patients whose windows looked out on a brick wall.
32:55
Speaker 1: They were all recovering from similar surgeries, and the only
32:59
Speaker 1: difference was the light in the view, and the ones
33:01
Speaker 1: with a good natural light and a view of trees
33:03
Speaker 1: recovered forty percent faster than their counterparts who are looking
33:06
Speaker 1: at a brick wall all day. That's a real effect.
33:09
Speaker 1: So if you've got a view in your home, protect it.
33:12
Speaker 1: And if you don't have a great view, if your windows,
33:15
Speaker 1: look out on a fence or a parking lot, or
33:18
Speaker 1: nothing particularly inspiring. You can create the suggestion of one,
33:22
Speaker 1: you know, a plant positioned in your sight line, maybe
33:25
Speaker 1: a piece of art that depicts a natural landscape, a
33:29
Speaker 1: mirror angle to reflect something green from somewhere else in
33:33
Speaker 1: the room. Your nervous system responds to the visual signal,
33:36
Speaker 1: even when it's not the literal thing. You know. It's
33:39
Speaker 1: looking for the queue, So give it the queue. Protect
33:42
Speaker 1: your views. Last idea that I've got plants. I saved
33:46
Speaker 1: this idea for last, not because they're unimportant, but because
33:49
Speaker 1: I wanted to make the point first that biophilic design
33:52
Speaker 1: is bigger than just plants. But plants do matter, of course,
33:56
Speaker 1: they matter a lot. Even a couple of them in
33:59
Speaker 1: a space can make them measurable difference in how people
34:01
Speaker 1: feel in that space. And you don't need a lot
34:04
Speaker 1: of them. You don't need rare plants, you don't need
34:06
Speaker 1: anything super special. You don't need to be great at
34:09
Speaker 1: keeping them alive, though that does help. It helps a lot.
34:13
Speaker 1: But get something a snake plant, you know, a fiddlely
34:18
Speaker 1: fig if you're feeling ambitious, Who knows a few small
34:21
Speaker 1: ones on a windowsill. The goal isn't a botanical garden here.
34:26
Speaker 1: The goal is just some living, breathing, growing things in
34:30
Speaker 1: the space, something that reminds your nervous system that life
34:33
Speaker 1: is happening here. And if you've genuinely got a brown thumb,
34:36
Speaker 1: you know, if plants die in your care at the
34:39
Speaker 1: first sight of you, you know, if they see you
34:41
Speaker 1: coming with water and they just you know, propel themselves
34:45
Speaker 1: off the edge or the windowsill, or they just die
34:49
Speaker 1: and shrivel right, then well, the research shows that even
34:54
Speaker 1: artificial plants can produce some of the visual you know benefit,
34:58
Speaker 1: not all of it, but some. So even that's better
35:01
Speaker 1: than nothing, you know, get some plants hopefully living. Once
35:04
Speaker 1: I had a vine, or not a vine. I had
35:08
Speaker 1: an ivy plant that I had for like, I don't know,
35:12
Speaker 1: five years, eight years, ten years, felt like forever, and
35:15
Speaker 1: I was horrible with it. I was terrible to that
35:18
Speaker 1: poor thing. It eventually died. It died, you know, funnily.
35:22
Speaker 1: Funnily that's not a word funny enough. It died because
35:25
Speaker 1: I moved it, because I was so sick of forgetting
35:28
Speaker 1: about it. You know, I'd see it and it's all shriveled.
35:31
Speaker 1: And brown, and I haven't watered you in like four months,
35:34
Speaker 1: and I'd pour water on it and it'd come back.
35:37
Speaker 1: I don't know why it kept coming back, you know,
35:39
Speaker 1: it was just a glutton for punishment, but it would
35:41
Speaker 1: come back. And eventually I felt so bad that I
35:45
Speaker 1: would forget about it. So I moved it to a
35:47
Speaker 1: more prominent location where I would remember it. And like
35:51
Speaker 1: I said, funny enough moving it. I completely forgot that
35:55
Speaker 1: I moved it and never ever saw it again. And
35:59
Speaker 1: like five, six, seven months later I found it, and
36:02
Speaker 1: it truly had given up the ghost for good, all
36:05
Speaker 1: because I tried to save it. But it lasted like
36:08
Speaker 1: ten years, just a little viny thing, you know. Get
36:11
Speaker 1: something green and keep it in your home. All right,
36:14
Speaker 1: as we wrap it up, let me try to pull
36:16
Speaker 1: all of this together. We've been talking in this little
36:19
Speaker 1: series that I've got about what your brain wants from
36:21
Speaker 1: a space, and we've focused on coherence, right, a thread
36:24
Speaker 1: that you can follow that your brain can follow through
36:27
Speaker 1: the home. We've talked about variation, you know, just enough
36:30
Speaker 1: surprise to keep your brain engaged. We talked about good lighting,
36:34
Speaker 1: you know, the biological foundation that regulates everything else. And
36:37
Speaker 1: now We've talked about biophilic design, the natural complexity, the
36:41
Speaker 1: familiar signals, the materials and colors and living elements that
36:45
Speaker 1: tell your nervous system it's somewhere safe and alive and comfortable. Okay,
36:50
Speaker 1: none of these things require a renovation. I know some
36:53
Speaker 1: of this is really out there, but it's all real.
36:56
Speaker 1: You know. It's just a matter of what you want
36:58
Speaker 1: to apply and put into practice in your own home.
37:01
Speaker 1: None of it's going to require a big budget. It
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Speaker 1: does require paying attention to the decisions that you're already
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Speaker 1: making and nudging them, you know, intentionally in the direction
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Speaker 1: of the natural world. So a color that connects to
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Speaker 1: something in nature, a material with some natural complexity to it,
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Speaker 1: a view worth protecting, a plant or two. They're all small,
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Speaker 1: you know, small moves, small steps, small things to put
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Speaker 1: into practice, but they're working on your nervous system every
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Speaker 1: single day, and that's worth taking seriously. Now, next time,
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Speaker 1: next week, we're going to wrap all of this up,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to focus on paint color, specifically why
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Speaker 1: it matters, how to think about it, and how to
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Speaker 1: use it. To pull everything we've talked about together into
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Speaker 1: a room that actually works for you. But for right now,
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to do it. And as we
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Speaker 1: get to the point of wrapping up the show, I
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Speaker 1: want to encourage you to go find the show as
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Speaker 1: a podcast. You can find it wherever you listen to podcasts,
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Speaker 1: So Spotify, the YouTube, Audible, Apple podcasts where you listen,
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Speaker 1: you can find it there Home in Progress, and then
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Speaker 1: you'll have access to all of our episodes and you
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Speaker 1: can listen and listen and listen. I mean, you'll go
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Speaker 1: crazy listening. There's so much stuff. This was episode four
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three, so there's a lot of material
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Speaker 1: out there, and some of it's pretty good, you know,
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Speaker 1: so you got to wade through it. But it's going
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Speaker 1: to be like finding gold amongst the draws or the dirt,
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Speaker 1: you know, once you do stumble on a good episode. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm joking, every single episode is amazing to somebody. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: if you don't know what a podcast is, just remember
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Speaker 1: you can find us on the YouTube. So just go
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Speaker 1: to the YouTube. And we just don't have video to
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Speaker 1: go with it, you know, it's just audio, but you
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Speaker 1: can listen right there. You don't want to watch me
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Speaker 1: make the show anyway, it's not always that pretty. But
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Speaker 1: find the show as a podcast, and if you would
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Speaker 1: leave a review, it helps other people find the show
38:55
Speaker 1: and it spreads the word. Also, last little bit of business,
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Speaker 1: you can find home in Progress on Facebook. And I've
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Speaker 1: done a really terrible job with the Facebook page. I
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Speaker 1: will admit that right up right up front here. I'm
39:09
Speaker 1: going to do a better job. Once I have more
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Speaker 1: than fourteen people following me, I'll figure it's worth it.
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Speaker 1: So if you're a facebooker, search out home and Progress
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Speaker 1: and then like and follow the page. And once I
39:21
Speaker 1: hit a reasonable number of people, I'll start paying attention to,
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Speaker 1: you know, the content that I put out there. Now,
39:27
Speaker 1: I know that's not how social media really works, but
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Speaker 1: I figured I might as well ask find home in
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Speaker 1: Progress on Facebook and follow us. All right, we're at
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Speaker 1: the end, and before I sign off for the week,
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Speaker 1: I want to wish every single one of you a
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Speaker 1: very blessed Easter. Of all the holidays, this is by
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Speaker 1: far my favorite, and I hope you find peace, enjoy
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Speaker 1: this Easter season, enjoy your weekend, make paint a part
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Speaker 1: of it if you feel like it. This weekend, I'm
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Speaker 1: kind of giving you a little bit of an out here.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you kind of just want to focus
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Speaker 1: on Easter this weekend, so paint's not required this weekend
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Speaker 1: unless you really want to have a great weekend. Everybody,
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Speaker 1: and I'll see you next week for Home in Progress.
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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hansen. Thanks for listening.