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How Will History Be Written? | Wayne Steiger · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: with us returning guest philosopher, researcher, educator, spiritual teacher, and
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Speaker 1: visionary on a cult in esoteric studies, Wayne Steiger, Welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the show. It's good to see you, my friend.
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Speaker 2: How you doing writer, Thank you having me on. Really
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Speaker 2: enjoy it. The conversations are great, mind coitus.
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Speaker 1: I always love talking philosophy with Euane. It's one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite things to talk about. And I think some
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Speaker 1: people misunderstand me sometimes on here. They think that I'm
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Speaker 1: like all factual, factually driven and stuff. But I mean
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Speaker 1: I am to a certain degree. But I've never ruled
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Speaker 1: out the possibility that there are things going on outside
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Speaker 1: of our realm of perception. I mean, obviously there is
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Speaker 1: Obviously there is entities out there lurking. Obviously there is
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Speaker 1: an astral realm. There is an astral plane. I've visited
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Speaker 1: it a few times. I've never really been outside of
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Speaker 1: my body, but come close, come really close, and I've
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Speaker 1: experienced the pure darkness, the darkness realm in a near
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Speaker 1: death experience. I think I've spoken on that several times
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Speaker 1: so I think people have like a weird, weird thing
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Speaker 1: with me where they're like, oh, you know, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, there's people on the internet. Those
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Speaker 1: people on the internet, waene, sometimes they can suck my friend.
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Speaker 2: You know, as I was talking today over on my show,
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Speaker 2: is that technically we are already in the astral realm.
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Speaker 2: We're just in one subdivision of it. And it seems
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Speaker 2: like there's a lease that you know, once the lease
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Speaker 2: comes up, then you head to the next one. And
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Speaker 2: I have no doubt that I think the vast majority
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Speaker 2: of us are going to be shocked when we make
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Speaker 2: that transition in hopefully consciousness is transferable, you know. If
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Speaker 2: it's not, then I don't know what we're going to
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Speaker 2: be in. But you know, the say it mimics a
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Speaker 2: lot of what this reality looks like.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, Doane. I'm like, well, what if
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Speaker 1: whenever we die and we go to another likely let's
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Speaker 1: just take the take it for granted that whenever we
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Speaker 1: die in this physical avatar that we're in and we
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Speaker 1: go to another place, who's to say that that place
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Speaker 1: doesn't suck too. There's that other reality over there doesn't suck,
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Speaker 1: just as much as people think that this reality sucks,
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Speaker 1: which I don't think that this reality sucks. I think
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Speaker 1: that this reality is probably the only reality in existence
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Speaker 1: where we can experience this physical existence. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if any other realm or any other reality we're going
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Speaker 1: to be able to experience things the way that we
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Speaker 1: experience them here. I don't know what do you think
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Speaker 1: of that?
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Speaker 2: Well, when you think about that transitioning either First of all,
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Speaker 2: we have to decide is there going to be someone
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Speaker 2: on the other side waiting for us that we know
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Speaker 2: or identify. But then again, you know, when we were born,
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Speaker 2: did we really know our parents? It's like, and how
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Speaker 2: do we make that transition? In the paranormal it would
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Speaker 2: say that, you know, we end up having spirits, souls
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Speaker 2: that somehow are formless but yet are conscious. I don't
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Speaker 2: think it's that a way. I think that we actually
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Speaker 2: carry this, the image of these avatars, these bodies with us,
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Speaker 2: because at least in the beginning, how are we going
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Speaker 2: to be identified or do we go in as like
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Speaker 2: we do here as newborn babies. And if that's the case,
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Speaker 2: I hope there's someone over there who's waiting for us.
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Speaker 2: But either way, we're all heading there.
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Speaker 1: And as I.
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Speaker 2: Have come to believe, I don't think we all end
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Speaker 2: up in the same place. It just doesn't make sense
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Speaker 2: that you would throw every human being basically into one pile.
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Speaker 2: And you know, if a person who went through life
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Speaker 2: who wasn't spiritually motivated or minded and really didn't pay
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Speaker 2: much attention to that where another That's all we did
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Speaker 2: was our whole time here was to improve ourselves spiritually,
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Speaker 2: and that's an essence preparing for this next level. I
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Speaker 2: just don't see how that that would mix. So I
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Speaker 2: believe it's going to be better than what we thought.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's take the Christian perspective of this right heaven
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Speaker 1: and the way that some Christian believe that heaven is
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Speaker 1: going to work, and how it's going to operate. Right,
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Speaker 1: How would you be able to quantify an endless amount
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Speaker 1: of like happiness and like ecstasy and like love. That
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Speaker 1: almost seems like that it would drive someone completely crazy.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by like us having a
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Speaker 1: balance here. We get to have a balance of that
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Speaker 1: in this reality that kind of levels the playing fields.
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Speaker 1: It gets tilted one way some days heavily. You know,
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Speaker 1: you can be really excited. You can be really happy here,
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Speaker 1: but on the opposite end of that, you can also
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Speaker 1: be really sad and really depressed. So it ends up
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Speaker 1: like balancing itself out. If you were in an endless
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Speaker 1: state of happiness in ecstasy, wing would you not lose
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Speaker 1: your mind? You would think that you would almost lose
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Speaker 1: your mind, right, And that goes back to what I
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Speaker 1: have that I heard someone say a really long time ago,
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Speaker 1: probably in like twenty ten or even earlier. They said
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Speaker 1: that demons, what what we would personify as demons, actually
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Speaker 1: dwell in nothing butt ecstasy. That's why they're so in pain, right,
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Speaker 1: That's why they're evil, right, because they dwell in nothing
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Speaker 1: butt ecstasy, Okay, and angels dwell in nothing but pain
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Speaker 1: in sadness, right. So, and I thought that that was
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Speaker 1: really interesting. I was like, Okay, well, you could probably
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to manage pain and sadness, right,
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Speaker 1: You would be able to quantify that in your in
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Speaker 1: your brain. Unless it's like a completely one, just overwhelming
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Speaker 1: amount of pain and sadness, then it would be really
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Speaker 1: ridicul But being able to manage an endless amount of ecstasy,
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Speaker 1: And I mean some people take ecstasy and they get,
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Speaker 1: they lose their mind. And that's a drug that I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I just mean, like an endless state of ecstasy. You
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Speaker 1: would you would. I don't understand how you would be
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Speaker 1: able to handle that. So if heaven does exist or
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Speaker 1: this other round doesn't exist, there would have to be
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Speaker 1: some kind of managing of that, and you would have
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Speaker 1: to have some you'd have to have a range of emotions.
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Speaker 1: But that's what we have here, is a range of
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Speaker 1: emotions here.
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Speaker 2: And to be you know, technical as a Bible student,
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Speaker 2: the Old Testament doesn't talk about heaven because the Jewish
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Speaker 2: belief is is that they will be resurrected and they
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Speaker 2: become kind of the owners of the world at their promise.
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Speaker 2: The idea of heaven comes into the New Testament teachings,
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Speaker 2: and it's really kind of strange because Paul says that
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Speaker 2: there are seven levels to Heaven, implying that each one
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Speaker 2: is greater than the one previous. If you believe. In
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Speaker 2: the Book of Revelation, it states that Heaven is an
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Speaker 2: actual planet city dimensions are fifteen hundred miles high, fifteen
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Speaker 2: hundred miles wide, it's a cube, and that it will
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Speaker 2: physically come back here to earth. So this whole thing
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Speaker 2: of heaven for me is really bizarre. It talks about
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Speaker 2: this God having his throne, which is a crystal throne
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Speaker 2: on a sea of crystal. It's got these really weird
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Speaker 2: creatures at each corner of his throne. Then it's surrounded
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Speaker 2: by twenty four male elders. And when you start reading this,
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Speaker 2: and you particularly if you believe it, you're you know,
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Speaker 2: a devoted to the belief system. It begins to write
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Speaker 2: an image that most people don't really think about. And
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Speaker 2: in heaven for Christians is different than what well again,
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Speaker 2: and then the Jewish belief system, they don't have heaven,
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Speaker 2: so and hell well, hell in our modern construct is
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Speaker 2: very recent, basically fifteenth sixteenth century. Dante's was the one
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Speaker 2: who said it. The Catholic Church adapted to it and
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Speaker 2: enrolled it into our reality, making us believe that there
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Speaker 2: is some bizarro place that where there's this pain and
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Speaker 2: suffering and YadA, YadA, YadA, and there's some writer who
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Speaker 2: believe that when you die that while every one of
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Speaker 2: your syntaxes are basically exploding, and it has the image
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Speaker 2: of a brightness to your consciousness, you think about it,
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Speaker 2: you're probably going to end up where you think you're
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Speaker 2: destined already. It's not where I don't think where you
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Speaker 2: end up permanently. But there's a transition period until you
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Speaker 2: begin to realize, well that's not true. That's how I
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Speaker 2: transitioned from you know, as a minister of the Gospel
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Speaker 2: and Christianity. You know, the whole idea was the saving
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Speaker 2: of your soul, not your spirit, your soul. It's all
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Speaker 2: about soul collecting h And as I see heaven, now
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Speaker 2: heaven would be hell, and hell in its construct would
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Speaker 2: almost be heaven.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, rob, as I kind of agree with this heaven.
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Speaker 1: There's a bargainingship in the game of control.
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Speaker 2: I often wonder if they rob, if they got a
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Speaker 2: roulette table up there, all right, what's your number there?
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Speaker 2: You know, it's like okay, uh. But no matter how
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Speaker 2: it is, I contend I've said this on before that
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Speaker 2: our species at one time knew how to die. We
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Speaker 2: had the knowledge as to how to make this transition
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Speaker 2: from this realm to the next. And in some cultures,
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Speaker 2: like in India, there are those who can actually still
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Speaker 2: remember how to do that. I mean, you get old enough,
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Speaker 2: growing old sucks. There's nothing real pleasant about growing old.
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Speaker 2: So when you've had enough of your feel of this place,
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Speaker 2: you're supposed to just go in and lay down and
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Speaker 2: allow the spirit to go and let the body do
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Speaker 2: what the body is supposed to do. But it isn't
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Speaker 2: that a way. Now we have my wife's in the
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Speaker 2: death industry as a hospice nurse, and so she sees
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Speaker 2: it all the time, and there is something we all
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Speaker 2: go to. It's very very very plain that there is.
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Speaker 2: What's interesting is how the individual handles that reality. And
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Speaker 2: there are some who fight it and they have drugs
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Speaker 2: that allow for what they call a quieter transition, and
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Speaker 2: then there's those who embrace it and seem to go
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Speaker 2: with almost a smile on their face.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't really know what to exactly think of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like that what Robos said is
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Speaker 1: pretty accurate. I mean, if you were, let's say you
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Speaker 1: were like born super rich. When like I watched a
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Speaker 1: video the other day where this guy was like he
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Speaker 1: was on a podcast and he was talking and he
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, my family's super rich. I was born
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Speaker 1: super rich. He was like, I don't know, twenty seven
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Speaker 1: years old, and he was like, I've never had fast
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Speaker 1: food before. I've never ate fast food before. I've never
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Speaker 1: ate McDonald's, I've never eat Burger King, I've never ate
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Speaker 1: anything fast food. I've always had a private chef, you know.
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Speaker 1: And that almost sounds like, you know, some people that
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Speaker 1: would almost be like I have an on Earth type
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Speaker 1: of scenario, right, like you don't have to worry about
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Speaker 1: any of this stuff you or you have all the
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Speaker 1: money to take care of like all of your needs,
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Speaker 1: you know. Meanwhile, where there's you know, people you know,
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Speaker 1: struggling to make a living out here and get five
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Speaker 1: to ten dollars in their pocket, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: and they have to do things to just be able
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Speaker 1: to survive in this reality that would almost be like
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Speaker 1: a version of hell for them. Right. So it seems
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Speaker 1: like we have we already have these blendings of like
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Speaker 1: these two realities already in this reality. And it seems
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Speaker 1: like that there's this construct of this idea of having
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Speaker 1: this idea of oh, well, you you don't like this reality,
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Speaker 1: don't worry about it. It's almost like a bargaining chip
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Speaker 1: for or the poor and for the middle class, right,
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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, well, you might not make it here.
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Speaker 1: You might not have a good life here or a
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Speaker 1: good reality here, but in the next one, Wayne, and
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Speaker 1: the next when everything is going to be okay and
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Speaker 1: everything everyone's gonna love each other and you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: popular and you're gonna you're gonna be famous, and the
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Speaker 1: next one. You know, it almost seems like something that's
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Speaker 1: like a carrot that's just dangled in front of people
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Speaker 1: to make it seem like, oh, well, you know, have
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Speaker 1: something to kind of live for. And I think that
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Speaker 1: that is a big purpose of organized religion, is to
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Speaker 1: give people something to live for and something to be
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Speaker 1: good for. You know, we have to follow all of
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Speaker 1: what Jesus said, you know, we have to follow the
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Speaker 1: ten commandments, or you know, we're not gonna be blessed
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Speaker 1: in heaven. You know, we're not gonna be able to
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Speaker 1: set it the right hand of God. Blah blah blah
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Speaker 1: blah blahlah blah. You know. And that's the that's their
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Speaker 1: only reason for being a good person in this reality.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's something that I caught onto
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Speaker 1: very early. I was like, I don't need to follow
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Speaker 1: these things to be a good person. I can just
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Speaker 1: be a good person. That's what a good person is
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Speaker 1: supposed to do. I don't need to be a good
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Speaker 1: person for some kind of reward. Whenever people do things
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Speaker 1: for a reward, it's like they it's almost seems like
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Speaker 1: they have like ulterior motives in that right. Very few
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Speaker 1: people give and not expect something in return. But I've
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Speaker 1: found that if you give, then you are going to
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Speaker 1: get something back, regardless if that's like a good vibe.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're in this materialistic world, and we have
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Speaker 1: this materialistic sense of Okay, well if I give them something,
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Speaker 1: then then they're going to give me something back, or
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to need some thing immediately in return.
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Speaker 1: I've seen this happen so many times in my personal life,
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Speaker 1: you know, like I'll put something out right, like I'll
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Speaker 1: just leave something out that I don't need anymore. I'm
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Speaker 1: getting ready to move, so I'm just gonna leave a
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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff out here, like on the curb, right,
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna post it on some group on Facebook
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Speaker 1: and be like, hey, come by, this is a free
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Speaker 1: a free pile of stuff here. Come by and get it,
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Speaker 1: you know, And they normally do. It's normally gone really quickly.
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Speaker 1: But I don't ever expect anything back in return, but
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Speaker 1: something normally always does come back in return, right Like
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Speaker 1: I'll get something like someone I'll be I'll find a
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Speaker 1: twenty dollars bill on the ground. And it doesn't even
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Speaker 1: have to be anything like that. It can be like
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Speaker 1: a blessing in a different kind of way, doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to be a maybe an opportunity arises for me to
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Speaker 1: do something, you know what I mean the universe. When
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Speaker 1: we think that the universe is kind of always conspiring
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Speaker 1: in our favor, Like what you say on your show
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Speaker 1: all the time, Wayne, Favor put favor on you. I
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Speaker 1: am favor, you are favor. Then that expands out to
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Speaker 1: like everything in your reality, and you always have that favor.
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Speaker 1: So therefore you don't have to worry about getting anything back.
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Speaker 1: It always just comes to you. But it comes to
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Speaker 1: you in different kinds of ways that you really can't
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Speaker 1: really expect, so you can't like figure out what it is.
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Speaker 1: It just happens. I don't know if that makes any sense, writer.
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Speaker 2: I've come to see it that there is this this
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Speaker 2: greater reality that we're all immersed into. But what I
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Speaker 2: have discovered in my life in over seventy years is
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Speaker 2: that we can create our own reality within this reality,
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Speaker 2: and it's it's principles. My mentor is growing up where
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Speaker 2: people like Earl Knight and zig Ziggler was another Brian tracy,
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Speaker 2: And what I learned from those men was that you
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Speaker 2: can have two individuals both come from let's say, a
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Speaker 2: lack of education, their families did not have money, and
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Speaker 2: they would be considered socially and economically disadvantage. And it's
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Speaker 2: interesting because the two have exactly the same thing, but
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Speaker 2: one has learned the secret that what you put forth
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Speaker 2: is what the universe is going to give back. And
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Speaker 2: once you get into the rhythm of expectation with results,
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Speaker 2: it changes your whole life. And it's not about a god,
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Speaker 2: it's not about it's about to me, the raw forces
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Speaker 2: of creation, this thing that we all the universe of
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Speaker 2: our existence. It seems to work on that. Some call
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Speaker 2: it the seed principle. You sew a seed and when
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Speaker 2: the harvest comes back in the seed always produces greater
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Speaker 2: than itself. These seem to be universal laws, and those
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Speaker 2: laws seem to work in the opposite. I think it's
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Speaker 2: interesting that you find individuals that who you see it
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Speaker 2: all the time on these reality shows, the cops shows
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Speaker 2: that the cops end up pulling over the individual that
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Speaker 2: just so happens, you know, to not have a driver's
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Speaker 2: license in doom Doom, Doom doom. And for myself as
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Speaker 2: a philosopher, it's because that individual was expecting to get
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Speaker 2: pulled over. That was their greatest fear. So that's what
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Speaker 2: they were exactly manifesting, and that's exactly what the universe
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Speaker 2: gave them.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: I mean these are principles that and you know, to
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Speaker 2: be rich, you told the story about the guy having
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Speaker 2: a chef. I wouldn't you see? For me, I like cooking.
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Speaker 2: I'm an alchemist. Cooking is the greatest experience of alchemy,
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Speaker 2: and I know I would be very uncomfortable about that,
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Speaker 2: you know, So I don't think that that's an advantage.
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Speaker 2: I think that would ultimately be a disadvantage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But then too, if your circumstances didn't lead you
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Speaker 1: to having to cook, would you like want to cook? See,
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Speaker 1: that's the whole thing about our experiences here. All of
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Speaker 1: our experiences have led us and have molded and shaped
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Speaker 1: our reality of like what we like and what we
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Speaker 1: dislike here. So if you would have been born into
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Speaker 1: that situation where you didn't have to cook, would you
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Speaker 1: enjoy cooking? You probably wouldn't because you wouldn't know how
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Speaker 1: to cook. That's like, that's like the that's like the
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Speaker 1: whole thing here is like depending on what your circumstances
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Speaker 1: were growing up and what kind of environment you were
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Speaker 1: in and where you were born dictates your entire life. Basically,
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Speaker 1: you know, your core beliefs and in certain ways, I mean,
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Speaker 1: there are fundamental things that are very hard to shake that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is why crime, and this is why
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Speaker 1: drug addicts, and this is why you know, alcoholics and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. It becomes like this trap, this this
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Speaker 1: all encompassing type of you know, uh trap, and like
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Speaker 1: repeat offenders because they can't see any way out of
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Speaker 1: the situation that they're currently in, so then they just
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Speaker 1: continue to go down this down, downward spiral.
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Speaker 2: But as you were talking, so I come, you know,
25:01
Speaker 2: my upbringing, my parents weren't weren't we were poor, But
25:07
Speaker 2: I eventually, because of the abuse, ended up you know,
25:11
Speaker 2: awarded the state. And so one of the foster homes
25:16
Speaker 2: that I got put into were was from a very wealthy, wealthy,
25:24
Speaker 2: wealthy family, and their customs were very foreign to me.
25:29
Speaker 2: I mean I had to wear a white shirt and
25:33
Speaker 2: a tie. I didn't even know. I didn't I was
25:35
Speaker 2: a kid. I didn't know what a tie was. And
25:38
Speaker 2: that's how we came to have dinner. And they actually
25:41
Speaker 2: had people serving dinner. So what and what ended up happening?
25:46
Speaker 2: The uh Child Welfare of People had to take me
25:50
Speaker 2: out of that home because it was so different for
25:56
Speaker 2: the shock of my reality and plus what I had
25:58
Speaker 2: just come out to. So my point is, yeah, I
26:02
Speaker 2: you know, there is a price to be paid, and
26:06
Speaker 2: there is something you know, with those who are of
26:08
Speaker 2: a of a higher wealth, and then there is accustom
26:12
Speaker 2: to it, and then there's some people dislike myself. I'm
26:17
Speaker 2: just an older hippie that learned how to adapt to
26:20
Speaker 2: the system that I find that very uncomfortable.
26:24
Speaker 1: You know, I think we're really adoptable. We're a really
26:30
Speaker 1: adoptable species. Like I think that we can adapt to
26:33
Speaker 1: any kind of environment or the better or for the worse,
26:39
Speaker 1: you know.
26:41
Speaker 2: I mean that could be the argument of right now
26:43
Speaker 2: in our day and age. I mean the question of
26:46
Speaker 2: our species are whole existence is are we going to
26:53
Speaker 2: be able to still be masters of our sovereignty or
26:56
Speaker 2: have we surrendered that to that of our own creation,
26:59
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of AI, it's everywhere, it's for myself.
27:09
Speaker 2: I look back at this. You're much younger than I am.
27:13
Speaker 2: You've always had computers in one form and another in
27:16
Speaker 2: your life, right, not.
27:19
Speaker 1: In the very beginning of my life, but I think
27:23
Speaker 1: we got a computer, like when I was around nine
27:28
Speaker 1: or something like that. I can barely remember a couple
27:32
Speaker 1: of years there where we didn't have some kind of computers.
27:35
Speaker 1: So yeah, you can say, you can say been around
27:38
Speaker 1: computers and cell phones.
27:40
Speaker 2: I think the baby boomers, you know, if you think
27:42
Speaker 2: about it, I was born a decade after the end
27:45
Speaker 2: of World War Two. You put that in perspective, and
27:52
Speaker 2: in today, you know, our reality is changing so rapidly.
27:57
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes one think that you can't help
28:05
Speaker 2: but not conclude that there seems to be a greater
28:08
Speaker 2: force at work here. And I don't know if it's
28:12
Speaker 2: good or bad, because in one hand you think that
28:16
Speaker 2: you have great hope, but on the other hand, you go,
28:21
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I don't trust those dudes,
28:23
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. They've lied before, and then they
28:27
Speaker 2: might lie again. And I'm talking about all the way
28:29
Speaker 2: up the chain to you know, the very you know,
28:33
Speaker 2: the very religions that define who we are. You said
28:37
Speaker 2: earlier writer, which was interesting, how what religion brings to
28:42
Speaker 2: humanity is civility. You know that without religion you cannot
28:51
Speaker 2: make a moral decision. And I think that that's handicapped
28:57
Speaker 2: our species, much like what I think AI is doing
29:00
Speaker 2: to our species right now is as good as it
29:04
Speaker 2: seems to be. Its handicappiness in so many other ways.
29:09
Speaker 2: And I think that that is what has happened to us.
29:13
Speaker 2: And to say that without religion you have no morality,
29:18
Speaker 2: holy crap. I mean that says that we as a
29:23
Speaker 2: species we can be easily manipulated because we don't have
29:29
Speaker 2: a moral compass. I really don't. I just can't accept
29:35
Speaker 2: that that would be the case. But I might be wrong.
29:41
Speaker 1: Well, it's almost like, you know, speaking of like history
29:46
Speaker 1: and stuff, like who wrote the history books before, you know,
29:51
Speaker 1: and how are the history books going to be written
29:55
Speaker 1: in the future, Like who is currently writing down on
30:00
Speaker 1: what is happening today? I mean, yeah, we still have
30:04
Speaker 1: some newspapers and stuff, but I don't even I think
30:07
Speaker 1: the newspapers are almost like almost a thing of the past. Now,
30:11
Speaker 1: I don't really think that people get too many newspapers anymore.
30:15
Speaker 1: We went around with some stores whenever we moved last
30:18
Speaker 1: year looking for newspapers to be able to pack things.
30:23
Speaker 1: Nobody in our city had any newspapers nowhere, you know.
30:29
Speaker 1: So it's almost like, who is collecting all this information
30:33
Speaker 1: that's been happening for the past twenty years? Then who
30:38
Speaker 1: is going to be the disseminator of that information in
30:42
Speaker 1: a hundred years or even in forty years. I mean,
30:46
Speaker 1: they've already said that they're no longer backing up the internet.
30:48
Speaker 1: Google is no longer backing up the Internet. Okay, So
30:54
Speaker 1: where is all of this information going to go? And
30:57
Speaker 1: how is it going to be translated into something that's
31:01
Speaker 1: like quantifiable? Then that's whenever you bring in this AI stuff.
31:06
Speaker 1: Is AI going to be in charge of our history?
31:08
Speaker 1: But we can see how manipulative AI can be with anything.
31:14
Speaker 1: And how is AI getting the sources? Is AI only
31:18
Speaker 1: taking the official government sources of like what they say?
31:23
Speaker 1: But I should have done this before, but I didn't
31:27
Speaker 1: think about it, like with the Jeffrey Epstein files, right,
31:31
Speaker 1: I should have asked Chad GTB or GROC before they
31:38
Speaker 1: came out and said that there is no client list, right,
31:41
Speaker 1: just very shocking to a lot of people. It's kind
31:43
Speaker 1: of I mean, it's not shocking that they said that.
31:46
Speaker 1: It's not that there is none, but it's shocking on
31:51
Speaker 1: another level. But I wish I would have asked Rock
31:54
Speaker 1: about them or Chad Gbt about them before the official
31:59
Speaker 1: FBI DJ announcement that there is no Epstein client list
32:04
Speaker 1: to see what it would have said. But I already
32:06
Speaker 1: know what it's going to say now whenever I type
32:08
Speaker 1: it in, because it's going to take all the official
32:10
Speaker 1: government sources and it's going to say, oh, yeah, there
32:13
Speaker 1: is no Epstein client list. But I wonder what it
32:16
Speaker 1: would have been like, I don't know, three or four
32:20
Speaker 1: months ago when you ask it the same question. So
32:25
Speaker 1: it's like, well, where is it? How is it sourcing?
32:27
Speaker 1: We know that it's sourcing all of the information like
32:30
Speaker 1: on the internet, but is it only sourcing the information
32:32
Speaker 1: from the internet from what the government is officially saying?
32:40
Speaker 2: I think question what seems.
32:42
Speaker 1: Like the media that's just the media in a different way.
32:46
Speaker 1: That's all the media does is just parrot what the
32:49
Speaker 1: official government story is. Would AI not be any different
32:54
Speaker 1: than the media.
32:58
Speaker 2: Who is the arbitrator if truth? I mean, that's that's
33:04
Speaker 2: what it comes down to. And you talked about who's
33:09
Speaker 2: writing history, Well, right now, I don't believe it's humanity.
33:13
Speaker 2: I believe there is. It's a it's a machine. If
33:18
Speaker 2: you give validity to the Mendela effect, and there's enough
33:24
Speaker 2: evidence that clearly shows that there is something that is
33:28
Speaker 2: rewriting even what we would call recent history, and if
33:35
Speaker 2: the Mendela effect is not true, then it means that
33:40
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with us collectively as a species that
33:46
Speaker 2: we can't even remember recent past events.
33:50
Speaker 1: I think it's the latter, but that's just my.
33:53
Speaker 2: Okay, So, because the the other alternative event is that
34:00
Speaker 2: that there's some kind of intelligence that seems to be
34:06
Speaker 2: manipulating facts and replacing it with a pseudo history, and
34:15
Speaker 2: that pseudo history seems to be adapting to us as
34:22
Speaker 2: a species as a culture and a society. If that happens,
34:28
Speaker 2: then I think we become so lost that we can't
34:33
Speaker 2: we can't find our way back. Right now, I think
34:37
Speaker 2: we're leaving breadcrumbs for ourselves. And I mean that metaphorically
34:41
Speaker 2: as a culture, as a civilization. Because history that's what
34:49
Speaker 2: made the Samarians unique. Way before there was ever a Hebrew,
34:54
Speaker 2: way before there was a Bible God, the Samarians realized
34:59
Speaker 2: their in history, and that's what made their culture unique.
35:04
Speaker 2: Here we find ourselves some ten thousand years later, and
35:08
Speaker 2: I think we're on the precipice of this place in history.
35:14
Speaker 2: Do we go forward with the control of what we
35:19
Speaker 2: would saying being the captain in the wheelhouse, or do
35:23
Speaker 2: we put it on autopilot. It seems like we're putting
35:27
Speaker 2: it an autopilot, and I think that that is when
35:32
Speaker 2: we've crossed that threshold. And again I think the risk
35:37
Speaker 2: is we may not be able to find our way back.
35:40
Speaker 2: It may in fact be like THHX eleven thirty eight,
35:44
Speaker 2: that Ai does in fact become God because God knows everything,
35:50
Speaker 2: and therefore God would be able to do a predictive
35:54
Speaker 2: analysis of what current event is and then make a
35:57
Speaker 2: determination and a calculation as to what the probable as
36:01
Speaker 2: of a future is and then predict that that future
36:05
Speaker 2: would be unfolding. Otherwise, I think if there is an
36:09
Speaker 2: actual physical being that is omnipotent on the potent, I
36:15
Speaker 2: think it went insane because if you, as a God,
36:18
Speaker 2: know everything, that before it's ever happened. What's your purpose
36:22
Speaker 2: of existence? As you were talking about joy continuous, you
36:28
Speaker 2: would I think if you knew the future and there
36:31
Speaker 2: was no way that you could alter that, you knew exactly,
36:34
Speaker 2: what what are you doing?
36:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of the whole thing with like psychics
36:42
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like, Okay, well you're gonna tell me
36:44
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in my future. Like what's the point
36:47
Speaker 1: of me knowing if there's literally nothing that I can
36:49
Speaker 1: do about it? If it's a that would also mean
36:53
Speaker 1: that we have no free will as well, Like if
36:55
Speaker 1: we don't have the free will to make changes in
36:58
Speaker 1: our reality and manipulate events, then that means that everything
37:03
Speaker 1: is dusting to happen exactly the way that it's happened,
37:06
Speaker 1: which means that we have no free will as a species.
37:09
Speaker 1: But fireflying a lighthouse. All of my personal experience with
37:12
Speaker 1: mendel If I ended up being just bad memory. And
37:15
Speaker 1: I agree with that fireflies in the lighthouse because I
37:20
Speaker 1: could ask anybody, Hey, what did you have for dinner
37:27
Speaker 1: three tuesdays ago? Nobody's going to remember. Actually, I can
37:35
Speaker 1: even take that down to a like an easier one
37:40
Speaker 1: what did you do three tuesdays ago? And some people
37:44
Speaker 1: would be like, okay, well I went to work and
37:46
Speaker 1: I took a shower. I mean, like, give me a
37:49
Speaker 1: play by play of your day from three tuesdays ago
37:55
Speaker 1: and then tell me that you can remember something from
37:58
Speaker 1: twenty years ago and it'd be accurate. Like I can
38:02
Speaker 1: barely remember what I did last Tuesday. You know, like
38:10
Speaker 1: our memories are not what they should be. It takes
38:15
Speaker 1: some sort of event, like a traumatic event, for us
38:22
Speaker 1: to remember anything that happened, like specifically on that day.
38:27
Speaker 1: And that's another reason why they do these big traumatizing events.
38:32
Speaker 1: Everybody remembers where they were on nine to eleven, everybody
38:36
Speaker 1: remembers where they were if they were alive during the
38:39
Speaker 1: JFK assassination. Most people remember what was going on in
38:46
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But I feel like that it's like a
38:50
Speaker 1: rinse and repeat type of cycle, and I feel like
38:52
Speaker 1: that they're trying to just knock out like the entire
38:58
Speaker 1: like trying to purposely make people forget, you know, so
39:04
Speaker 1: then it's not so hard in the future to go
39:08
Speaker 1: back and you know, rewrite some of this stuff, because
39:13
Speaker 1: whenever the history is going to be written by whatever
39:16
Speaker 1: it is AI or whatever in the future, in let's
39:20
Speaker 1: say eighty years, when I'm dead, when everybody that's been
39:25
Speaker 1: living in this time they can remember any of this
39:29
Speaker 1: stuff that's happened is dead. That's whenever they're going to
39:34
Speaker 1: write it. Okay, So then it's just like how they
39:39
Speaker 1: wrote all that stuff, everything that happened back in the day.
39:41
Speaker 1: They wrote that in the future when nobody was around
39:44
Speaker 1: to question them of exactly what happened. Right, there's not
39:48
Speaker 1: going to be anybody alive that experienced any of this
39:52
Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be written to where they can
39:55
Speaker 1: counter and be like, oh, that's not that's not what
39:58
Speaker 1: that didn't go down, that's not what happened. No one's
40:01
Speaker 1: going to be there to be like, Okay, that didn't
40:05
Speaker 1: that's not going on the way that you said that
40:08
Speaker 1: it that it didn't.
40:09
Speaker 2: I mean, people have an identic memory.
40:13
Speaker 1: When when did the Civil War? I mean when did
40:16
Speaker 1: we learn all about the like the Civil War in school?
40:18
Speaker 1: I mean how many years before did the Civil War
40:21
Speaker 1: happen before we were learning about it? You know, like
40:24
Speaker 1: nobody that lived during the Civil War can stand up
40:29
Speaker 1: and say, oh, hey, that's not what happened. That's not
40:33
Speaker 1: how it went down, you know. So it's going to
40:35
Speaker 1: be written so far in the future that it's not
40:39
Speaker 1: going to matter anymore because all the people that were
40:42
Speaker 1: involved are going to be dead.
40:44
Speaker 2: Well, you can say that about all of history. I
40:47
Speaker 2: mean that that of which we've remember is a minute part,
40:52
Speaker 2: but it's far as to that that the fact that
40:55
Speaker 2: there is something going on. I have a gifted memory,
41:03
Speaker 2: but I can tell you this, you know, and I
41:06
Speaker 2: grew up watching The Twilight Zone, and I can tell
41:11
Speaker 2: you that it was never Rod Sterling. It never was
41:18
Speaker 2: it was Rod Sterling. And but you know, people can
41:23
Speaker 2: say that, you know, maybe their memories are not that well,
41:27
Speaker 2: that we as a species have amnesia already. We don't
41:31
Speaker 2: know where we came from, we don't know how long
41:35
Speaker 2: we've been here, we don't know why we're here. Everything
41:40
Speaker 2: that we fill in between the spaces is just merely
41:45
Speaker 2: our thoughts, and then we call that history as though
41:51
Speaker 2: who's really going to care. As you pointed out, listen,
41:56
Speaker 2: if you lived back in you know, the twelfth century,
42:01
Speaker 2: and you were just a poor farmer, no one even
42:04
Speaker 2: knows that you existed, it wasn't important. I don't know.
42:09
Speaker 2: You believe in the time theory it would say, yes,
42:12
Speaker 2: that that person played a particular role in the bigger picture.
42:16
Speaker 2: I don't know. But did anyone care? And I think
42:19
Speaker 2: when it really comes to the fact, we don't care.
42:23
Speaker 2: We would rather forget and make our own history and
42:27
Speaker 2: interpret it as we see it. And you're right, one
42:30
Speaker 2: hundred years from now, if they still have a record
42:33
Speaker 2: of this, I don't know. Let's say these podcasts, let's
42:38
Speaker 2: say that they're somehow archived. Maybe would it even matter.
42:44
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the question that we're on the
42:47
Speaker 2: verge of the six collapse of US as a civilization,
42:53
Speaker 2: So maybe there might be something in the future that
42:56
Speaker 2: they'll be a remnant of us. I don't know, And
42:59
Speaker 2: then maybe no one will care because they're all about survival.
43:03
Speaker 1: I don't know.
43:04
Speaker 2: Or maybe God comes back on a horse and you know,
43:09
Speaker 2: kills or redeems all of us.
43:10
Speaker 1: It's I mean, that's the whole thing of like digitizing
43:15
Speaker 1: all this stuff too, is that it's easily wipeable.
43:19
Speaker 2: And it's easy manipulable as well.
43:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, all you gotta do is shut down
43:27
Speaker 1: the Internet, and when that happens, everything that we have done,
43:33
Speaker 1: Wayne will be gone. The only way that anybody would
43:39
Speaker 1: even know that we did any of the stuff that
43:42
Speaker 1: we even did this show is if they literally remember
43:46
Speaker 1: it and remember what we said, or if they downloaded
43:50
Speaker 1: it and put it onto a hard drive, which I
43:52
Speaker 1: back everything up onto a hard drive, But I don't
43:55
Speaker 1: know if that's even going to make it, because I
43:58
Speaker 1: don't even think that in a hundred years a hard
44:01
Speaker 1: drive is even going to be a thing. I don't
44:03
Speaker 1: even think that if someone in one hundred years finds
44:06
Speaker 1: a hard drive, they're even going to know what it is.
44:09
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's a canapalistic event that will
44:12
Speaker 2: take place and let's say in the next hundred years.
44:16
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what they're going to do with
44:17
Speaker 1: all of this data. I don't know what they're where
44:21
Speaker 1: all the information, where all the data is going to
44:23
Speaker 1: be stored. Because I read an article the other day
44:26
Speaker 1: that if if we keep going on this rate with
44:32
Speaker 1: all of our data, then there's going it's going to
44:37
Speaker 1: forget in how many years. Don't don't quote me on this,
44:40
Speaker 1: but it was something like in twenty years that we're
44:45
Speaker 1: going to have as much data stored as like that's
44:50
Speaker 1: as big as the moon. Okay, so where are we
44:55
Speaker 1: putting all of this information and like all of this data,
44:58
Speaker 1: and what is going to be done with it? I mean,
45:01
Speaker 1: the the Internet is going to eventually have to come
45:06
Speaker 1: down and they're going to have to reboot a completely
45:09
Speaker 1: new system. And what does that mean. That means that
45:12
Speaker 1: everything that's currently on it is going to be wiped.
45:16
Speaker 1: That's what they're doing with TikTok. They're getting rid of
45:19
Speaker 1: TikTok and they're opening up a new app that is
45:24
Speaker 1: just for the United States. A new TikTok app is
45:30
Speaker 1: just for the United States. No other country can have
45:33
Speaker 1: access to it. It's a part of the lawsuit that
45:37
Speaker 1: happened between the government and TikTok. But it's like if
45:42
Speaker 1: if they can do that, which I'm sure that a
45:44
Speaker 1: lot of people's TikTok profiles are probably going to be
45:47
Speaker 1: transferable over onto the new app, of course, but let's
45:51
Speaker 1: say they didn't do that. Let's say that they decided, oh, hey,
45:56
Speaker 1: you got to make a whole brand new pro file.
46:02
Speaker 1: It's a new app, it's a new company, it's United
46:05
Speaker 1: States ran. You got to make a whole new program.
46:08
Speaker 1: All all of those video those millions and millions of
46:11
Speaker 1: videos that are posted almost every single day on TikTok
46:14
Speaker 1: is now going to be gone. They're going to be gone.
46:19
Speaker 1: It's going to be like they never even existed. And
46:23
Speaker 1: now let's say that they do that with YouTube. Let's
46:25
Speaker 1: say they let's say they do that with the entire
46:27
Speaker 1: freaking Internet. All of this is just it's easily wiped.
46:30
Speaker 1: They can wipe the entire thing with a click of
46:33
Speaker 1: a button and put up a new Internet. It's no
46:36
Speaker 1: longer Google. It's freaking Schmoogle or schmigele now Schmigel not
46:41
Speaker 1: Google anymore. I don't know. All that information is just gone,
46:45
Speaker 1: and it's like none of this ever happened. It's it
46:48
Speaker 1: can be done, and then it would be almost impossible
46:52
Speaker 1: for anybody to prove it. It would be impossible for
46:55
Speaker 1: anyone to prove that we even had this conversation unless
47:01
Speaker 1: you had the backup of it on a hard drive.
47:04
Speaker 1: But again, the hard drive thing in this technology is
47:07
Speaker 1: going to be a it's going to be a relic.
47:09
Speaker 1: It's going to be just like the floppy disk are
47:12
Speaker 1: Now nobody uses a freaking fault floppy dosk except apparently
47:17
Speaker 1: at the jail that Epstein was held in. They're you
47:21
Speaker 1: still using like recorders from nineteen ninety nine. The video
47:26
Speaker 1: surveillance systems was from nineteen ninety nine where a minute
47:31
Speaker 1: is cut from the videos every single day for twenty
47:34
Speaker 1: years at night. Give me a break, But the hard
47:39
Speaker 1: drive is going to be a complete thing in the
47:41
Speaker 1: past and one hundred years someone stumbles across the hard drive.
47:44
Speaker 1: Let's say the Internet's why someone stumbles across the hard
47:46
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, what the fuck is this? Just
47:50
Speaker 1: like if some a kid that is involved with the
47:53
Speaker 1: computers and like everything now stumble across the floppy disk,
47:56
Speaker 1: they'd be like, what the fuck is this? How do
48:00
Speaker 1: I work it? How do I use it? Or even
48:02
Speaker 1: a VHS tape? How long were VHS tapes of thing
48:06
Speaker 1: like up into the early two thousands? What is a
48:08
Speaker 1: less than twenty years ago everyone had a VHS player
48:11
Speaker 1: and a VHS tape in their home. You bring a
48:15
Speaker 1: VHS tape to a kid nowadays and I'll be like,
48:18
Speaker 1: what is this? How do I.
48:20
Speaker 2: Think there's a Well, there's another perspective. I mean, you see,
48:28
Speaker 2: I'm old enough that I was in the video post
48:32
Speaker 2: production industry and When I started in that industry, we
48:35
Speaker 2: were using two inch you know, tape and analog, and
48:44
Speaker 2: I saw the industry go from analog into digital, and
48:50
Speaker 2: in every evolution of that there is this backup. Now
48:55
Speaker 2: I have a different perspective, you see, I never I
48:58
Speaker 2: don't think they'll ever take it down. I think that
49:00
Speaker 2: it's probably much like must vision that the Internet will
49:04
Speaker 2: eventually morph into the neunet, where they're all plugged into
49:09
Speaker 2: it and the data becomes the juice. Right now, our
49:19
Speaker 2: data is being marketed, dissected and categorized fourteen different ways
49:27
Speaker 2: from Sunday, and there are data brokers out there right
49:31
Speaker 2: now taking this conversation, looking at our profile then making decisions.
49:36
Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever going unless there's this a
49:39
Speaker 2: great cataclysm. I don't see that aspect of her leaving,
49:43
Speaker 2: because the machine needs the data. And as far as
49:48
Speaker 2: backup is concerned, I mean, you know these data centers
49:53
Speaker 2: that they're building down in where is it Abilene? Yeah,
49:57
Speaker 2: it's either Abiline or Odessa, million square feet buildings that
50:03
Speaker 2: are just going to be data centers. So I don't
50:06
Speaker 2: know when they say I don't believe that they've stopped
50:12
Speaker 2: packing things up I just don't believe. You know, they
50:15
Speaker 2: might have, but maybe I don't know. There is the
50:23
Speaker 2: whole economy is built around data, and the more data
50:29
Speaker 2: I have on you, if I begin to see that
50:32
Speaker 2: you have changes in preferences, and then that becomes a
50:35
Speaker 2: big deal because I can broker that out to you know,
50:39
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred different companies. But that's just another perspective. That's
50:43
Speaker 2: all I think that I don't think. I don't think
50:47
Speaker 2: they're I think we're so far across the line writer.
50:50
Speaker 2: I think that the Internet or a form of it,
50:53
Speaker 2: will always be with us.
50:55
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that it will too. But the only
50:59
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that they can get rid of
51:01
Speaker 1: things on like the back end, like get rid of
51:04
Speaker 1: like old stuff. I mean, that's already happened now. Certain
51:08
Speaker 1: things that you remembered from I don't know, ten years ago,
51:11
Speaker 1: that you want to try and look up and find
51:13
Speaker 1: the article, it's impossible to find now, Like certain things
51:16
Speaker 1: like it's just.
51:18
Speaker 2: It's funny. I'll tell you a story that So I
51:23
Speaker 2: was in the video code video video video duplication industry,
51:27
Speaker 2: worked for the largest domestic video duplicator back in the day,
51:32
Speaker 2: and every year in July, there was the show called
51:36
Speaker 2: VSD VSDA Video Software Dealers Association. My point is, do
51:41
Speaker 2: you know which industry drove our technology that we use today?
51:50
Speaker 1: If you gave me a minute, I could probably think.
51:52
Speaker 1: But go in and tell me no, I do not
51:55
Speaker 1: porn industry. Hmm.
51:58
Speaker 2: If we you know, you knew who decided VHS the
52:03
Speaker 2: adult industry, they would not go to beta because beta
52:07
Speaker 2: was and to get this, beta was about seven cents
52:11
Speaker 2: more expensive per cassette. So when the VHS began to
52:17
Speaker 2: have its limitations, they were the porn industry was the
52:22
Speaker 2: first one that actually made the CD actually viable. And
52:26
Speaker 2: if it hadn't been for the adult industry, you would
52:30
Speaker 2: not have today the digital technology of virtual reality. The
52:36
Speaker 2: porn industry was testing that twenty years ago. Hey listen,
52:45
Speaker 2: it gets worse if you look at the Adam and
52:47
Speaker 2: Eve story, right, if you buy into that, that means
52:50
Speaker 2: humanity is built upon incest. I mean, so you know
52:57
Speaker 2: that's why we're a species without Now I have a
53:02
Speaker 2: theory that you know, like part of our history has
53:04
Speaker 2: been removed that the time that the giants actually ruled
53:08
Speaker 2: this planet. And I think that that we were the
53:11
Speaker 2: food source for those giants, and I think that traumatized
53:15
Speaker 2: us as a species because they hurted us and they
53:19
Speaker 2: actually ate us. Just my hypothesis, but anyway, but that
53:28
Speaker 2: that is, that's an actual factor, right. So that's how
53:31
Speaker 2: the technology because each year we would come out and
53:34
Speaker 2: the adult industry had the biggest exhibit within the whole convention,
53:39
Speaker 2: and it was a big convention. All the studios were there,
53:42
Speaker 2: it was a it was a big deal back in
53:44
Speaker 2: the day.
53:47
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And now
53:51
Speaker 1: like porn has just been like digitized and it's like.
53:55
Speaker 2: All porn is the number one viewed Internet every single hour.
54:04
Speaker 2: Porn usage is up around the world and it's it dominates. Uh,
54:11
Speaker 2: the internet.
54:14
Speaker 1: Didn't. Elon Mosk recently put star Link out to a
54:21
Speaker 1: country that previously didn't have internet and all they would
54:25
Speaker 1: do is watch porn all day. Yeah, I'm sure that's
54:31
Speaker 1: a real story. It's it's it's true. You know, it's
54:36
Speaker 1: the old adage that's why God didn't give men breast
54:38
Speaker 1: because we stayed home and play with them all day.
54:41
Speaker 1: You know, nothing would get done.
54:43
Speaker 2: So but anyway, we'll keep it, you know, we'll keep it. Uh,
54:55
Speaker 2: we'll keep it PG.
54:56
Speaker 1: But it all comes down the money, right and the poor.
55:00
Speaker 2: It absolutely does. You know, here's an interesting thing. I
55:05
Speaker 2: served on a lot of boards, so there's a morality
55:07
Speaker 2: clause in many of these corporate if you're severing a
55:11
Speaker 2: border or sea level exact. And it's so interesting because
55:16
Speaker 2: you know, as the guys back in the tech department
55:21
Speaker 2: will tell you, no matter how many filters that you
55:25
Speaker 2: try to put in, it's amazing how the employees will
55:28
Speaker 2: find ways around it.
55:31
Speaker 1: It's the truth. Yeah, I think the rules are meant
55:36
Speaker 1: to be broken, but then we have like this whole
55:39
Speaker 1: I think we're like fostering this society of like robots
55:44
Speaker 1: and people that just go along with whatever that it
55:47
Speaker 1: is that they're supposed to do. I think I told
55:49
Speaker 1: this story recently, but I went into a Windy's that
55:53
Speaker 1: was connected to a gas station around three months ago
55:56
Speaker 1: when we were traveling, and I just want a frosty
56:00
Speaker 1: because I do my best not to eat any fast
56:03
Speaker 1: food because you know, all the garbage and nonsense that's
56:09
Speaker 1: inside of it is just not healthy for you. But
56:12
Speaker 1: I wanted a frosty, So I walked into the gas station,
56:16
Speaker 1: walked over to the Windy's that was connected to it.
56:19
Speaker 1: One guy was working there. He came out and he
56:21
Speaker 1: was like, we're closed for ordering inside of the store.
56:28
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, what do you mean you're closed,
56:30
Speaker 1: we're ordering inside of the store. You're here and you're
56:33
Speaker 1: like working, and he was like, oh, we're only doing
56:36
Speaker 1: door Dash and Uber Eats. I said, okay, Well, all
56:41
Speaker 1: I want is like a Frosty bro It's like a
56:43
Speaker 1: dollar twenty or whatever. It used to be niney nine cents.
56:46
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's nine nine cents. That's how
56:47
Speaker 1: long I haven't had a Frosty. But I was like,
56:51
Speaker 1: it's like a dollar, dude, And I was like, I
56:53
Speaker 1: have cash, Like, I'm just going to give you this dollar.
56:56
Speaker 1: You go back to the Frosty machine, take two seconds
57:00
Speaker 1: and put the frosty inside of things and give it
57:02
Speaker 1: to me. And just like, no, I can't do it.
57:09
Speaker 1: It's like, what do you mean you can't do it?
57:14
Speaker 1: Like one you can just you could probably just give
57:17
Speaker 1: it to me. And if if you didn't want to
57:18
Speaker 1: just give it to me, I mean, what's a dollar
57:20
Speaker 1: twenty whatever. If you didn't want to give it to me,
57:24
Speaker 1: then take the money and then put it into the
57:28
Speaker 1: register whenever you can do it, whenever you're not doing
57:31
Speaker 1: to go orders or whatever. Like people don't think like
57:35
Speaker 1: outside of the box. Like if I was working at
57:38
Speaker 1: that Wendy's, I would have just given the person a
57:40
Speaker 1: freaking frosty, Like I'm the only person that's up in here, Like,
57:44
Speaker 1: what are they gonna They're really going to fire you
57:46
Speaker 1: over a dollar twenty frosty?
57:48
Speaker 2: Bro? Did you ever see the movie Off the Space Bob?
57:55
Speaker 2: It's like that guy has upper management written all over him.
58:04
Speaker 2: Did you ever get your frosty?
58:06
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get the frosty?
58:12
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah. And they, by the way, these are
58:16
Speaker 2: the people that are going to take care of you
58:18
Speaker 2: when you become much further down the line writer.
58:24
Speaker 1: Like it's like they don't want to like bend the
58:28
Speaker 1: rules at all or like do things that they're not
58:31
Speaker 1: supposed to do because they're.
58:32
Speaker 2: Like no, those are the type that will follow AI
58:36
Speaker 2: to the to the very end.
58:38
Speaker 1: There you go, that's a great explain.
58:40
Speaker 2: They don't have to think about it. There the decision
58:42
Speaker 2: is made for me. How much more easier do you
58:45
Speaker 2: want it? You don't have to even think anymore. I'll
58:48
Speaker 2: think for you. I'll remember for you. I'll recommend for you. Hell,
58:53
Speaker 2: I'll even choose for you. And they're signing up by
58:57
Speaker 2: the millions.
58:59
Speaker 1: And I'll be in an AI relationship with you.
59:02
Speaker 2: You know, it gets really scary, you know the fact
59:04
Speaker 2: that I see people talking to you know, Gork and
59:08
Speaker 2: the other GP platforms.
59:11
Speaker 1: And.
59:13
Speaker 2: This is as a futurist, this is out. What I
59:15
Speaker 2: see is unfolding. We're teaching them how to eventually destroy us.
59:22
Speaker 2: I mean when you begin to get into now where
59:25
Speaker 2: you have AI programs becoming your personal psychiatrist, your personal
59:31
Speaker 2: counselor your personal mentor. I mean, yeah, this is this
59:38
Speaker 2: is some weird stuff because it's do we lead to
59:43
Speaker 2: the full integration of the robot revolution? I mean, look
59:49
Speaker 2: in Japan. Japan has the problem right now that the
59:53
Speaker 2: the the the younger generation who should be dating and
59:58
Speaker 2: intermixing are now find particularly with the males, they are
1:00:03
Speaker 2: literally marrying they're robots.
1:00:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know if this would have been
1:00:14
Speaker 1: so prevalent if we didn't have that event in twenty twenty.
1:00:20
Speaker 1: It seems like it's a simultaneous like rollout that has
1:00:26
Speaker 1: been a part of.
1:00:27
Speaker 2: The free jacktice. That's what they did you have ever
1:00:31
Speaker 2: heard that term? Did you see the movie Free Jack?
1:00:34
Speaker 2: Emilio Estevez was in it, Mick Jagger was in it.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: Renee Russo anyway, Anthony Hopkins, isn't it as well? I
1:00:44
Speaker 2: think they free Jacktice in that when this thing happened,
1:00:50
Speaker 2: that it literally move the space time, and it jacked
1:00:57
Speaker 2: with us as a species.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, I'm convinced that a lot of
1:01:04
Speaker 1: this stuff would not be probably or gotten awayway there
1:01:09
Speaker 1: be as popular as it is if like that event
1:01:13
Speaker 1: did not take place.
1:01:16
Speaker 2: I'll line up with my generation writer. I have seen
1:01:20
Speaker 2: when I was coming up in the ranks in marketing
1:01:23
Speaker 2: and sales, I could remember two hundred phone numbers, not
1:01:28
Speaker 2: a problem. I had a Rolodex in my head along
1:01:31
Speaker 2: with one that sat on my desk. Today, I can
1:01:35
Speaker 2: literally say I probably have about a dozen phone numbers
1:01:39
Speaker 2: that I actually can recall right on the spot, even
1:01:45
Speaker 2: I become a victim of it.
1:01:49
Speaker 1: I know maybe five phone numbers that I can think
1:02:00
Speaker 1: go off the top of my head, and two of
1:02:02
Speaker 1: them like don't even aren't connected to anything anymore.
1:02:08
Speaker 2: And that that, and that's that's taken place in a
1:02:11
Speaker 2: period of less than you know, thirty five forty years
1:02:15
Speaker 2: and it's it's changed. It's I know, some people can't
1:02:18
Speaker 2: even remember their own phone number. There we go, the
1:02:25
Speaker 2: light house got it. It's took the words right out
1:02:27
Speaker 2: of my mouth. That's the reason, because I've seen it recently.
1:02:34
Speaker 1: Uh, that happened to me. Sometimes that happens to me too,
1:02:37
Speaker 1: where I'll get a digit wrong or whatever. And I
1:02:39
Speaker 1: was being like, oh, that person like never hit me up.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: Like I was like, wonder what happened? And I was like, oh,
1:02:44
Speaker 1: I gave him the my wrong phone number.
1:02:47
Speaker 2: There's your problem. That's the word.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: Bro.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: It's a scary proposition where where we're heading to it
1:02:57
Speaker 2: and and I right, I don't see anyone stepping on
1:03:02
Speaker 2: the brake. I mean, my big beef is this we
1:03:06
Speaker 2: should buy now? Had a council, worldwide council meeting on
1:03:13
Speaker 2: defining and putting the constraints on AI, but no one
1:03:19
Speaker 2: was No one's doing it, and so it just continues
1:03:25
Speaker 2: to build upon itself. And you know, I think again
1:03:29
Speaker 2: we we've crossed the precipice of you know, no return. Yes, yes,
1:03:37
Speaker 2: actually you can actually give a person direction. It doesn't
1:03:42
Speaker 2: work that a way.
1:03:44
Speaker 1: I had a guy do this to me the other
1:03:46
Speaker 1: day and he was like, you get on I eight
1:03:49
Speaker 1: and you take the first left and then and then
1:03:51
Speaker 1: the first right. It was like he was speaking a
1:03:53
Speaker 1: foreign language. I was like, what are you talking about, dude,
1:03:55
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you just said. And he
1:03:57
Speaker 1: went on for like two or three minutes. I was like,
1:03:59
Speaker 1: I don't know, bro, any anywhere that I go, No,
1:04:04
Speaker 1: Wayne is just automatic GPS. Like even if I've been there,
1:04:08
Speaker 1: it's just automatic GPS.
1:04:10
Speaker 2: We're so screwed if it ever goes down.
1:04:13
Speaker 1: I admitted, I'm the first to admit it, like I
1:04:17
Speaker 1: only know how to get to my immediate vicinity and
1:04:19
Speaker 1: like some few other places around. I don't know. It's
1:04:25
Speaker 1: getting weird. It's definitely getting weird out there, and I
1:04:28
Speaker 1: think the technology is definitely going to I don't know
1:04:32
Speaker 1: if it's going to help us hurt us, but it
1:04:35
Speaker 1: seems like it's in a in a hurting phase at
1:04:38
Speaker 1: the moment because I don't even know anybody that doesn't
1:04:41
Speaker 1: have a cell phone. I don't know people that walk
1:04:43
Speaker 1: out of their house without a cell phone.
1:04:46
Speaker 2: No, No, that doesn't happen. I mean I had chicked
1:04:50
Speaker 2: across the United States just using a map, you know,
1:04:55
Speaker 2: we actually had to read the map, you know. And
1:04:57
Speaker 2: it's uh anyway, that was that was a long time.
1:05:02
Speaker 2: See that wasn't a different reality. That reality doesn't exist anymore.
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Speaker 2: That's where that picture was taken at.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had blue when that picture was taken.
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