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Stand your ground? Can you kill if attacked by popcorn? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: The seventy three year old retired police officer accused of
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  Speaker 1: killing a man after an argument over a cell phone
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  Speaker 1: in a movie theater, took the stand in his own defense.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, it was his life or mine. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Reeves is using Florida's
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  Speaker 1: controversial stand your ground law in a hearing. Hoping to
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  Speaker 1: avoid going to trial. Reeves says he asked Olson to
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  Speaker 1: put his phone away during the movie previews, and an
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  Speaker 1: argument ensued. He says Olson first threw his cell phone
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  Speaker 1: at him, hitting him in the head, before grabbing his
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  Speaker 1: popcorn and throwing that at him as well. He was
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to punch me, and I perceived that at
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  Speaker 1: some point, and that's from the crystal came. It was
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  Speaker 1: his life or my life. That's what a retired chief
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  Speaker 1: of police says he shoots a movie goer dead in
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  Speaker 1: a cinema for texting. This is the way it all
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  Speaker 1: goes down. Everybody, Welcome to Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I'm stunned right now
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  Speaker 1: about a case that's coming out of Wesley Chapel. It's
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  Speaker 1: very close to Tampa. I've actually gone down there and
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  Speaker 1: looked at this cinema myself to see what it was
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  Speaker 1: all about, to see the scene. There are wide swaths
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  Speaker 1: of land that is undeveloped. It's beautiful stretch of marsh
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. Then suddenly, out of nowhere jumps up Wesley
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  Speaker 1: Chapel and it looks new. You know how you can
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  Speaker 1: tell an old subdivision or an old small versus the
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  Speaker 1: new ones. The whole place looks new, and the neighborhoods
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  Speaker 1: they're very, very nice, very upscale. So this sixteen movie
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  Speaker 1: theater is where the shooting went down. And this is
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  Speaker 1: what we know. It's in court right now and the
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  Speaker 1: judge is trying to determine if this retired police captain
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  Speaker 1: Curtis Reeves, seventy four years old, can advance the quote
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  Speaker 1: stand your ground defense. What that means in Florida and
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  Speaker 1: a few other states is that if you are attacked
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  Speaker 1: and you're in fear for your life, you do not
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  Speaker 1: have to retreat. You can stand your ground and fight
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  Speaker 1: back with force only necessary to fight back. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: is what Curtis Reeves says in his own words, the
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  Speaker 1: retired police captain seventy four years old. He says he
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  Speaker 1: goes in. The guy in front of him were in
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  Speaker 1: the previews, were not even in the movie Lone Survivor.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, really, you're that mad about a preview problem.
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  Speaker 1: So the guy in front of him is with his
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  Speaker 1: wife and he's texting. He's not talking on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: he's texting during the previews. It's a matinee. There are
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  Speaker 1: not that many people there. He leans over to the
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  Speaker 1: guy and says, hey, put away your phone. You're not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be texting. Well, the guy says, hey, leave
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  Speaker 1: me a line. I'm texting my babysitters. She's with my
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  Speaker 1: little girl. Well, he doesn't stop texting. Reeves says it again.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, I'm gonna call management. So he goes and
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  Speaker 1: tittle tells to the manager. Then he comes back in.
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  Speaker 1: He sees the guy Olson is no longer texting, Olson
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  Speaker 1: sitting there with his wife. Olson is a forty three
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  Speaker 1: year old married father and a Navy veteran. So Reeves
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  Speaker 1: the police captain leans for it and goes, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I see you are no longer texting after I had
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  Speaker 1: to bring in management. So basically a nanny nanny booboo.
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  Speaker 1: Well that makes Olson mad. He turns around and he
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  Speaker 1: knocks reeves popcorn onto him. The next thing you know,
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  Speaker 1: Reeves says, and the pistol came out like the pistol
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  Speaker 1: all on its old self, just comes out of his
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  Speaker 1: pocket and shoots Olson dead dead over texting and buttered popcorn.
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  Speaker 1: Now Reeves is saying that Olson threw his cell phone
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  Speaker 1: at him. But Reeves his own wife is sitting next
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  Speaker 1: to him, and she says, I never saw him get hit.
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  Speaker 1: He told me at the time he got hit, But
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  Speaker 1: I never saw that part. She's sitting next to him
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  Speaker 1: in the theater. How can you not see it? So
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  Speaker 1: that's what went down in a Wesley Chapel movie theater.
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  Speaker 1: You go in, you're texting, You're getting a fuss with
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  Speaker 1: another movie goer. You're dead. You are dead. Just before
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  Speaker 1: or just as he stood up, I heard something about
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  Speaker 1: theater management manager. But I think it was in a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with a his wife. Not It was very loud,
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  Speaker 1: so I think it was he was just being loud.
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  Speaker 1: So now his motion and swinging around got my eye.
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  Speaker 1: He's right off to my right here caught my eye
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  Speaker 1: almost immediately when I looked up. He was coming over
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  Speaker 1: the seat at me across the front of where my
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  Speaker 1: wife was and he had I saw just a snapshot
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  Speaker 1: of a something dark in his hand. Almost immediately I
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  Speaker 1: saw what I perceived to be a glow from a
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  Speaker 1: light a screen right in front of my face and uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I was hit in the face loud, but he
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  Speaker 1: was facing the other way. After I got hit, then
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  Speaker 1: then he was facing me and he was very loud
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  Speaker 1: at that point. What was he saying a lot of
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  Speaker 1: sentences with the F word, Uh, I'm going to kick
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  Speaker 1: your f and ass I'm going to uh fuh if
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  Speaker 1: if it was any of your f and business? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I was texting my f and daughter. Was he continuing
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  Speaker 1: to move in your direction? He was reaching for me,
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  Speaker 1: and so what did you have to do as he
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  Speaker 1: was reaching for you? When I realized that he had,
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  Speaker 1: he had gotten much closer and that he was Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess there's a there's a thing where you see
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  Speaker 1: somebody getting ready to set up to punch you, and
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  Speaker 1: he was getting ready to punch me. And I perceived
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  Speaker 1: that at some point and that's when the pistol came out.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you do with that system? I shot him?
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  Speaker 1: Did you want to shoot? Absolutely not? So why did
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  Speaker 1: you shoot? Well, at that point it was his life
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  Speaker 1: or mine. Did you feel he was going to hurt you?
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  Speaker 1: No question about it. Now, here's the catch with this
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  Speaker 1: whole stand your ground thing. If this judge rules that
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  Speaker 1: Curtis Reeves age seventy four, retired police captain, can claim
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  Speaker 1: stand your ground, it's over. They're not even going to trial.
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  Speaker 1: He cannot be tried. I mean, okay, before I get
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  Speaker 1: you understand that's his whole defense, Okay, that he was
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  Speaker 1: afraid the guy was gonna attack him. He threw his
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  Speaker 1: popcorn at him. I think that's a pretty good sign.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you're gonna get. If that's all you got
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  Speaker 1: is you throw some buttered popcorn at somebody, you shoot him.
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  Speaker 1: He also claims that he threw his cell phone at him.
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  Speaker 1: I just said that, Alan, let's not be redundant. I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying it. It's not just popcorn, it's also a cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Have you looked to the video? Yes, I have. You
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  Speaker 1: can't really tell a lot from that grain. Even well,
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  Speaker 1: I can see the popcorn get thrown, and then I
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  Speaker 1: can see him this Reeves stretch out his arm and
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  Speaker 1: shoots straight ahead. He shot the guy in the chest dead. Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the defense claims that they have enhanced the video and
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  Speaker 1: that you can see the screen of the phone going
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  Speaker 1: toward Reeves. I can't see that. It was pointed out
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  Speaker 1: that a cell phone is the weight of a baseball,
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  Speaker 1: and can you imagine getting hit by a baseball? Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine getting shot in the chest? No? Okay, think
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  Speaker 1: about it. Here's the problem with the stand your ground law.
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  Speaker 1: Cannot believe here or taking the side of the shooter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pointing something. Yes you are, Yes, you are pointing
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  Speaker 1: it out that the stand your ground law in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Is the problem with it is it says that a
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  Speaker 1: person may use deadly force and self defense if he
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  Speaker 1: or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to
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  Speaker 1: prevent imminent death or great bodily harm, if you reasonably leave. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this man, and he's not a young man, but he's
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  Speaker 1: an experienced law enforcement officer, says he reasonably believed that
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  Speaker 1: that cell phone and that popcorn might be followed with
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  Speaker 1: a fist, and who knows what else. Oh, good gravy.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I'm looking at the crime scene photos right
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  Speaker 1: now at the Grove Cobb sixteen theater and Wesley Chapel,
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  Speaker 1: and I see the popcorn, but I don't see a
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  Speaker 1: cell phone on the ground. Where's the cell phone? If
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  Speaker 1: he threw a cell phone, where is it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that the investigators believed there was a cell phone
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  Speaker 1: that was thrown, But that's what he says he thought happened.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see one. Well, he should know if he
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  Speaker 1: got hit in the face. His wife didn't see him
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  Speaker 1: get hit in the face. He's sitting right beside. The
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  Speaker 1: problem is that he shot him dead. The problem is
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  Speaker 1: the standard is if you reasonably believe that you're about
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  Speaker 1: to be killed or or suffer a great bodily harm,
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  Speaker 1: and it's all in your mind. What if you know
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing with the standard ground Florida law, if
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  Speaker 1: you're raid of a certain type of person, let's say
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  Speaker 1: a person of a certain race or size or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Both of these people were white, don't try to drag
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  Speaker 1: race to do it. That's what makes this thing so
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  Speaker 1: simple and to the point. Quote, that's when the pistol
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  Speaker 1: came out, When it just came out on its own,
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  Speaker 1: out of your little pocket, started firing itself. Remember the
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  Speaker 1: cartoon quick Drawma Graw. He's just really fast. You know.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to practice drawing
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  Speaker 1: my toy pistol out of my toy holster to see
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  Speaker 1: how fast I can. This guy was a retired police officer,
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  Speaker 1: and he was really quick. Twenty seven years with the
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Police Department. Oh oh, let me tell you something
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  Speaker 1: else I learned in the testimony alan So Police. I
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  Speaker 1: guess it was a sheriff. He had on a sheriff's uniform.
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  Speaker 1: Came in to testify, and he says he got there
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  Speaker 1: and he heard the wife reeves the police captain's wife
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  Speaker 1: say you shouldn't have shot him over that, and that
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  Speaker 1: Reeves turned to his wife and said, shut the f up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where the wives always have to stick their opinion in
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  Speaker 1: on something like this. You're quiet, you know what, Alan?
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  Speaker 1: You like that ponytailing you down on the back of
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  Speaker 1: your head because I got a little pair of scissors
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  Speaker 1: and I can snippy snippy a lot of things, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of appendages. Alan. You talk about stand your ground,
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  Speaker 1: but what about standing by your man. She's telling the truth,
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  Speaker 1: she's telling the truth. You don't have to shoot him.
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  Speaker 1: What is he going around with a gun in the
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  Speaker 1: movie theater anyway? Now that's a whole right to bear
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  Speaker 1: arms argument. I'm not going to get into because but
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  Speaker 1: it just shows that you need to have a gun
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  Speaker 1: in a theater because somebody else might have a gun. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here's the other thing about stand your ground. If you
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  Speaker 1: start or provoke the confrontation, even if you then become
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  Speaker 1: reasonably in fear, if you started the whole thing, you
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  Speaker 1: cannot claim stand your ground. You can't start it. And
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  Speaker 1: then when they fight back, say oh I'm scared and
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  Speaker 1: shoot the person dead. It doesn't work like that. So
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  Speaker 1: you think he started it because he didn't he objected
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  Speaker 1: to the guy using his phone in the theater, which
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  Speaker 1: is an annoying thing. I'll tell you why I think
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  Speaker 1: he started it because he has been a police captain
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  Speaker 1: for many, many years, and he's retired, and he's not
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  Speaker 1: used to anybody saying no, no, I'm not gonna do
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  Speaker 1: what you said. And he got buttered popcorn thrown on
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  Speaker 1: him and it was just too much for him, and
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  Speaker 1: he shot the guy. That is really what I think.
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  Speaker 1: That is what I think happened. His wife cannot corroborate
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  Speaker 1: that he was hit in any way. Olson's wife cannot
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  Speaker 1: corroborate that her husband hit Reeves in any way. And
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Olson left behind a wife
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  Speaker 1: and a family in thirty seconds. This woman's life changed forever. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: her husband shot dead in front of her. He is
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  Speaker 1: never going to come home again. He's got a family
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  Speaker 1: that will never see their father again because of seventy
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  Speaker 1: four year old retired police captain Curtis Reeves that one
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  Speaker 1: moment of lack of self control, of lack of restraint,
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  Speaker 1: and he left this father, this husband, this good man
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  Speaker 1: dead and Nicole was shot to Nicole Olson, the wife
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  Speaker 1: the wife. She was shot in the arm actually the
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  Speaker 1: last excuse me, in the hand and on the finger
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  Speaker 1: with her wedding ring that finger. She just sits in
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  Speaker 1: court like she's in a daze, the victim's wife all
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  Speaker 1: over what I guess ego, I'm not really sure, but
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  Speaker 1: I will do a complete back flip, back flip if
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  Speaker 1: this guy gets to claim stand your ground is just wrong.
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  Speaker 1: If he wants to go to court to trial in
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  Speaker 1: front of a jury and claim I reasonably thought I
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  Speaker 1: was being attacked and this is self defense, then try
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  Speaker 1: it with a jury. But this needs to go to
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  Speaker 1: a jury to hear all the facts, because if he
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  Speaker 1: wins right now now, it's not even going to a
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  Speaker 1: jury trial. And I don't like that at all, not
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  Speaker 1: at all. Alan TJ. Grimaldi is with us Nicole's lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: He has been sitting in court with her throughout. TJ,
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  Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with us here at Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: How is Nicole Olsen? How's she holding up? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you she was doing great when this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing started, meaning much better than I would have expected.
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  Speaker 1: As it got closer in time for her to testify
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  Speaker 1: last week, it became difficult on her You could tell
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  Speaker 1: that she was reliving it again in her mind right
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  Speaker 1: before taking the stand, and you could tell that she
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  Speaker 1: was nervous as she didn't exactly know what was coming
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  Speaker 1: her way question wise, and then she was fine again
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  Speaker 1: until mister Reeves took the stand, and that was very
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  Speaker 1: very difficult for her to hear. Not only was she
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  Speaker 1: having to relive it again and hear it from the
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  Speaker 1: person who murdered her husband's mouth, but the things that
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  Speaker 1: were coming out of his mouth, either the lies in
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  Speaker 1: her opinion or the changes of his story, really got
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  Speaker 1: to her and you could tell was very very tough
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  Speaker 1: for her to handle. What do you make of Reeves's
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  Speaker 1: demeanor on the stand? I disagree with the standard ground
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  Speaker 1: defense in his case. I don't think it applies because
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  Speaker 1: I think he provoked this. I could tell he was
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  Speaker 1: very measured and in control on the stand. What did
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  Speaker 1: you think? I think from the outset you could tell
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  Speaker 1: that his responses were extremely rehearsed, and I think you
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  Speaker 1: can tell that for two reasons. One, he's obviously a
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  Speaker 1: seasoned law enforcement officer, so he knows how to answer
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  Speaker 1: questions and probably did have to answer questions back when
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  Speaker 1: he was a law enforcement officer, and then he's obviously
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  Speaker 1: been very well coached by his current attorney. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: did not have much, if any emotion other than when
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  Speaker 1: he was talking about the fact that he had children
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  Speaker 1: any help raise them and when he had cancer. Beyond that,
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  Speaker 1: I thought absolutely no emotion with his answer. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: he might have stated that he was in fear, but
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  Speaker 1: other than stating the words I was in fear for
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  Speaker 1: my life or I thought that it was a life
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  Speaker 1: or death situation, I had no feeling that that's truly
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  Speaker 1: what he felt. More importantly, the defense tried to drive
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  Speaker 1: home that missus Reeves was in fear of her life
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  Speaker 1: and because they were married for so long, he should
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  Speaker 1: know about her fear, and therefore he was using staniard
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  Speaker 1: ground not only to protect himself but to protect her.
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  Speaker 1: And you could he never brought that up, so any
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  Speaker 1: fear that she may have had, he didn't know about it. Lastly,
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree that staniard ground is not should not
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  Speaker 1: be used in this case. However, I also feel that
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  Speaker 1: it's the only chance they have to try to beat
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  Speaker 1: the charges. How is the whole family doing It's not
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  Speaker 1: just the why. There's children involved. Luckily they're the child.
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  Speaker 1: The young daughter is young enough to the point where
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't quite understand what's going on. You know, she
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  Speaker 1: definitely knows that Dad's not around anymore, but beyond that,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's still young enough to where she's not
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  Speaker 1: really quite grasping why Dad is gone and what is
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  Speaker 1: happening now. For these extended two weeks period, the extended
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  Speaker 1: family beyond the children are having difficult times as well.
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  Speaker 1: His mother, his meaning Chad's mother. Chad's sisters have been
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  Speaker 1: there the entire time, and Chad's brother has recently come
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  Speaker 1: this week, and they're having a very difficult time hearing
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  Speaker 1: what they're hearing, seeing what they're seeing, and just being
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  Speaker 1: exposed to the entire trial, for lack of a better term,
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  Speaker 1: just because they haven't been as inundated as Nicole has
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  Speaker 1: from the beginning with this, but it has definitely taken
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  Speaker 1: the toll on the entire family, Nicole's brothers included. I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand why Race was not charged with murder one
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  Speaker 1: as as opposed to just murder two to start with.
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  Speaker 1: What was behind that? You know, obviously I'm not a prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm not really privy to their charging recommendations and
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  Speaker 1: charging decisions. However, in my opinion, and especially based on
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the Casey Anthony trial in particular, I felt that the
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  Speaker 1: state attorney felt confident in just charging murder two because
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  Speaker 1: they knew they could get that conviction. Murder one would
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  Speaker 1: be as equated to the Casey Anthony, where they were
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  Speaker 1: shooting for the stars to get the largest possible conviction
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  Speaker 1: they could when it was unnecessary here for two reasons. One,
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  Speaker 1: murder two is much easier for them to prove because
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  Speaker 1: I leave of the premeditation issue. And number two, there's
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  Speaker 1: a mandatory minimum in Florida of twenty five years for
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  Speaker 1: murder of the second degree with a firearm and a
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  Speaker 1: mandatory minimum of twenty years twenty five for the murder
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  Speaker 1: and twenty years for the assault with a deadly weapon. So,
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  Speaker 1: because of his age, no matter what they get, he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna see his last days while he's in prison.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Now what happens next, Well, the state has two more days.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Unless this thing continues on. Beyond that, the state has
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: two more days to close their case. Then the judge will,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I am more than sure, takes some time before she
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: enters her order. I do not believe she's going to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: enter her order Friday afternoon or immediately following whatever the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: hearing closes for that matter. If it does finish Friday,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I would assume, you know, hopefully earlier this morning week,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: we would have her findings and her order, whether it's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: just a verbal announcement or some written order with an explanation.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I am hoping for and still assuming that that order
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and result will be that she is denying the motion
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: for staying your ground. At that point, the defense obviously
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: has a couple decisions to make. Do they have appealable
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: issues and do they try to appeal the order of
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the court. Do they start talking a plea or do
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they start preparing for trial. Then, in the alternative, if
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: she somehow grants this motion, which again I cannot see happening,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the state would have to determine if they could can
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and would appeal the order. TJ. Please pass on to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Miss Olson that I feel so bad for her and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: have lifted her up in prayers. I just can't imagine
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: going to the theater, finally getting to go out with
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: your husband and go see a movie and you've got
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the babysitter and the whole thing lined up, and he
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: dies right in front of you in a dark theater.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's just almost too much to take in over texting, TJ,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: thanks so much, thank you for the kind words, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me on. Now we
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: all know the famous standier ground defense with George Zimmerman,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: who gunned down eighteen boy Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman, the captain
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of the neighborhood Watch, basically follows the teen around and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: then when the teen turns on him, he shoots him dead.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: A jury actually acquitted George Zimmerman. I still don't understand
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: how that happened. But then, just six months after Zimmerman's acquittal,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: which triggered a lot of anger over Florida's standier ground law,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: there was another case. This one was over Michael Dunn. Now,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Dunn was accused of killing a seventeen year old boy,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, after having an argument with him about Jordan
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Davis's loud music in a conveny store parking lot. Seriously,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I mean now that was actually a murder accusation as
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: opposed to them one we're talking about right now, which
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is a murder two experts have disagreed on Florida's stand
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: your ground law. To me, it sounds like a hyped
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: up self defense. Now, in Done, there was a conviction.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: There was a conviction in that one Dune's behavior after
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: he shoots Jordan dead. He and his girlfriend go check
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: into a hotel and have drinks and I think they
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: had dinner. I just like there was no remorse whatsoever
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: after that, which I think played right into the prosecution's story.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, they left the scene. I don't think that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: helped now here. Reeves did not leave the scene. He
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: sat there. But I think there's been a big backlash
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: against stand your ground. Alan two cases you've mentioned, the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Done case and then the Zimmerman case had racial implications
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and that complicated emotions and the whole debate. But this
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: one is much different in the way that you look
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: at it simply because you can't say, well, it was
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a racially motivated shooting. Can we just take the race
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: out of it and talk about the facts. Because in Done,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: what he said to his girlfriend is I hate that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: thug music. All that worked against him as it should have,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: as it should have, But the leaving and going to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a hotel and having a couple of drinks after you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: shoot somebody. I mean, dang, that hurts. So we're on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: pins and needles waiting to see where the standard ground
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: defense goes with this retire police captain who was pretty
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: darnad somebody threw popcorn in his face, so he shot
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: him dead. If he does get off on this, that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: miracle that you say will not happen happens, and the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: judge sides with this guy. If it does, what does
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it say to other people and what does it mean
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: for the future. The floodgates will open. You'll have stand
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: your ground defenses all over the state of Florida. That's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: what will happen. And justice will not prevail. That is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: what will happen. Will it cause people to be quicker?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: They will be emboldened, They will be emboldened. Okay, we're
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: on pins and needles waiting for the latest out of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that courtroom there in Florida. And again, before we sign off,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: thank you Simply Safe for making our podcast possible. Our
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: podcast that is examining the Florida law stand your ground
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that has created so much fure, are and dissension amongst
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: legal experts and court watchers. Alike. It's a very very
• 25:48
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