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F1 2025 Saudi Arabian GP Recap & Miami GP Preview - Fast Laps with the Boys · Banter with the Boys

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Get laced up! Let's go! It's time for Banter
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with the Boys! Yo, yo, yo, welcome back to Banter
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with the Boys Fast Laps. We have the Jetta recap,
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the Miami GP preview. Uh, Joe. Smeltsy. You're
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wearing a McLaren hat this week. Why would I
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be, you know? What happened this last weekend?
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I don't know. Oh, Oscar won. I think your hat's
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off kilter. It's off kilter. They've won before,
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but you've chosen not to wear the McLaren hat.
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Why this week? Why is this week special? Every
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time they've won, I think I've won a McLaren
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hat. Oh, last week I didn't, but none of us wore
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hats last week. You know what? He was wearing
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the McLaren. I've been thrown off because it
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hasn't been the bright orange one. It hasn't
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been the orange. Yeah, it's always been like
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the gray one, or I had the American one here
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last weekend. That's true. Okay. It's because
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last week I called him out for not wearing an
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orange hat. Right, right. And now I'm going on
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that. That's what I mean. None of us wore hats
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last week. Yeah, that's right. If you were lucky
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enough to see last week's episode, don't worry,
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it's still up on YouTube, so you can go back
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and watch last week's episode if you so choose,
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or listen to it on Spotify, either way. But you
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will notice that for the first time, I think,
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ever in Banter with the Boys history, actually,
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which is going on two years now, FYI. Two plus
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years, actually. None of us wore a hat, and it
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was... I don't know. Did we like that? I'm not
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sure. I think it looked good on camera. We look
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professional. We look great. We look professional.
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Honestly, we look better than we do now. You
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had a great haircut. I had, it was a fresh haircut.
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Fresh. Funky fresh, some might say. Anyway. Mike's
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here. Yeah, Mike's here. I've been here. Hello.
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Yep. I'm wearing my hat this time. Yeah, why
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are you wearing an Aston Martin hat? Well, because
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he's missing the Haas sweatshirt at the moment,
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so he can't match the Haas hat with the Haas
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sweatshirt. That's true. Also, you know. Which
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is unfortunate. So if anybody sees a Haas sweatshirt
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out here, send it to Mike. Yeah, just mail it.
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p .o box i don't have a p .o box actually just
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send it to my my address this this specific jeep
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is mine uh anyway mike uh thanks for being here
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as always uh anything pressing nah i don't think
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so kev let's just head right into the jetta gp
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oh kev thanks for being here kevin there he is
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Oh, also Smelty's here, too, for whatever that's
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worth. Smelty's here! Our host! Our fearless
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leader. We've done this before. This is not our
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first time. And, of course, to start the Jetta
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GP recap, we have the pre -race stuff. Quality
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practice. uh says here yada yada that's been
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in our notes forever we're gonna start saying
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that that's how it's gonna work uh fp1 ghastly
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is the fastest yuki crash uh i did not see fps
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was yuki's crash pretty bad i don't even think
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i saw a replay it wasn't good if i remember correctly
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it was right at the end of the session um so
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like it didn't affect too much except obviously
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his car um but yeah it was not not great and
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fortunately kind of mimicked you know it was
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it was worse than the race itself i know that
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much like they actually had to like fix some
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some stuff on the car but he did it but yeah
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ghastly like right on i think like right in the
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last few minutes he was yeah very very fast in
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fp1 it was very very interesting to see i do
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remember that because i think kev actually texted
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the group chat and was like pierre yeah like
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yes uh fp3 bordoletto missing the session I think
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he had a fuel, like, not a fuel leak, but a leak
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in his car that just kept him out. So he went
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without a practice session. No water, huh? Something
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like that. Let's see. Quali. Lando crashes in
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Q3. I think, I feel like I did see that. Max
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does a race pit stop to make his second Quali
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run in time. That was actually kind of wild to
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me. I don't, I feel like I haven't seen. a race
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pit stop in inequality uh to get it done but
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the lap he made the first lap he made was decent
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and that was on two feet like two runs of fuel
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yeah that's yeah yeah it had to be that was that
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was me i was like watching i was like they commented
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on him taking a pit stop and i was like he doesn't
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take a pit stop right he's only got on the fuel
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for one lap and then he stops takes a pit stop
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drives off i'm like he had enough fuel for two
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laps He just put up like the second fastest lap.
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What do you mean? Getting after it. It's like
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you're Max Verstappen. At least put a time on
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the board so we are somewhere. Yep. And then
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hope that we have enough time for the second
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one. Right. Let's see. So, Oscar, get in the
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dub. he got it of the gp turn one oscar getting
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the win again having insane pace this weekend
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uh some battling between him and max here and
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there but wasn't as good as some other battles
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that we'll get into i mean honestly namely right
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at the start and then never again i feel like
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they i feel like they battled at least one other
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time i don't think it would have been i think
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it was that turn and then the crash happened
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and then on restart max kept them so bunched
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restart max like yeah you should talk i mean
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it seems like you want to say something about
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it i just i don't so i just don't know the rules
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well enough for the restart which is crazy because
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considering i've been watching f1 now for the
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sixth year but i the the restart Oh, man, that's
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just... I just hate how they do it. I hate how
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they do it, how the front driver just goes and
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everybody just reacts off of that. Right. You
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know what I mean? And the way Max did it, I hate
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it, but I also... love it in the sense of what
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a great thought by max like you know they're
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warming their tires up just kind of lollygagging
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into the turn and as soon as he comes out of
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turn just turns it on i'm like ah see this kind
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of messed up like he was really late this time
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around like to the point where like russell had
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to like go alongside so he did rear end yeah
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and i think like i saw that and i was like you're
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not supposed to do that but he was obviously
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trying not to hit someone so for sure i don't
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know i'm glad that you know nothing came of that
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but yeah but yeah he really played held him up
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yeah so again i hate it i don't think that should
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be to the point to the point where i think it
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was also really awesome if that's what he planned
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on because it worked to perfection yeah who's
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right behind piastre at that point it was like
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one of the ferraris i think right i thought it
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was george was it george no it was george i just
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remember talking lando it would have been like
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i think no no it was a p i'm talking about piastre
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like they held him up to the point where he got
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a really good start oscar was cut out a little
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bit and had to fight at the end of that straight
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against russell that's what i mean like you're
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you know you're at the mercy of reacting to that
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to the to max and like good luck reacting to
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possibly the best driver of an automobile right
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now in the world yep so uh thought that was messed
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up but anyway oscar still getting the win though
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uh norris finishing fourth as predicted by the
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way i did put lando forth specifically but we
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don't keep track of that but Thank God. I think
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this is right. Oh, God, that would have been
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another two points. Seriously. This could be
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what we're going to see the rest of the season,
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to be honest with you. Now, I don't know if Max
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can hang out all the time in the top three. I
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think there's still going to be races that he's
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going to struggle. But I think you're going to
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see George in there and LeClaire in there, no
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problem. So I think Landon's going to have some
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work to do the rest of the season, to be honest
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with you. And again, goes along me getting on
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the soapbox saying. You know, if Lando does find
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pace, this will be a problem at some point. But
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if he's not going to be as fast as Oscar, like
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maybe they're, you know, Oscar to win WDC. Yeah,
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it was. I mean, he definitely needs to. do more
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work than he's doing because Piastri is proving
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to be the better driver at the moment just flatly
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I like that Norris realizes that he's messing
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up like he was crushed and he was like I remember
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hearing the message after he crashed in qualifying
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he was like so stupid I'm so stupid you know
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like he did yeah that's right but then also the
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pit lane thing later in the race yes yes Dude,
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locking them up, coming into the pit lane, I
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mean, that's the little things, right? When you've
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got to be a WDC, you have to do the little things
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right. That's the little thing you did not do
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correct. I thought you were talking about him
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crossing the pit exit line. The whole pit. The
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whole pit was bad. Yeah, the whole thing was
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bad. Pit exit was bad. Yeah, but he's lucky he
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didn't get a penalty. He's very lucky. But, like,
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again, like, that's, you know. that's a factor
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in between finishing p1 and p4 if you don't quite
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have the same pace you got to have those little
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things right you know um darn i forgot what i
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was saying right before then but that's okay
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um i just don't you know norris needs to he's
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to oh figure it out yeah yeah i mean oscar is
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much more aggressive than lando and i know we've
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talked about it before but At that beginning,
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the camera, the POV from Oscar battling Max heading
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into that first turn. I mean, yes, Max. How do
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you guys feel about that first turn? Did Oscar
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push Max off the track? Or was Max trying to
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force something that just wasn't there? I just
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don't think it was there. Yeah. Like, I was honestly
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like you, you look at it. I'm going to ask the
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same question in a little bit. If, if, if Max
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was on that exact same line, but without Oscar,
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there's no way he would have made the corner.
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Yep. Like either he would have had to go into
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the runoff like he did, or he would have tried
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to make the corner and he would have been doing
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spins because he just never would have found
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the traction. And I think that that's just too
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aggressive drivers. Like, nah, son, I'm one.
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oscar's like, no, this is,
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this is my corner. so for that i'm truly excited
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to see if max can keep keep the red bull car
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in contention we could we could get a lot of
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oscar and max battling unless oscar's going to
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continue to drive away from everybody else so
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i have i have this noted for since we're talking
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about it i'll say now i have it noted for red
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bulls but uh He got the five second. I think
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it sounds like you're in agreement, too, that
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he probably deserved the penalty. He left the
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track and he stayed in front. It was a fact.
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Did not give the position back. Correct. Normally,
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that would be a 10 second penalty, not a five
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second one. Reason being, they gave a five second
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is because it was turn one lap one. So they are
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more lenient at that point. Do you think this
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is more of like an FIA F1 question in general?
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Do you think they should be doing that or do
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you think they should penalize him? And this
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is don't even think about. this as being max
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getting penalty yeah just in general you're saying
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in general do you think they should keep it at
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five seconds in turn one specifically yeah do
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you think it should have been 10 or do you think
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because it is turn one knowing how crazy off
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the line turn one can be is that okay or should
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they have stuck with 10 seconds and kept it fair
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across the race for me i'm 100 okay with it it
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totally makes sense pure chaos uh carnage potentially
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so it's just like Might as well. You know what
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I mean? But just for that turn, though. You know
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what I mean? Because, I mean, what Max did was
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fairly blatant, you know? And then you chose
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not to give it back. So it's just, I don't know.
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I'm with him. I think I'm cool. I think it's
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important that you. You have that like rationale
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of knowing this is the first corner of the first
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lap of the race. Stuff is going to happen here.
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If you enforce too many rules and make it too
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strict and punish the drivers too much for taking
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those risks, there's not going to take the risks.
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They won't take them and now your race is dull.
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Exactly. Now you run into your races are now
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more boring. Your race starts are more boring
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because your drivers don't want to take risks.
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I'm hopping on Mike's bandwagon. And the FIA
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doesn't want to do that. They want the race to
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be interesting, right? And so they need to punish
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drivers for breaking the rules. but they should
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give them some leniency. Yeah. No, I like that.
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I like that too. I think in general, I agree
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with you guys. If I can play devil's advocate,
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not that I agree with this per se, uh, play that
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more. That would be fun. I will. I actually,
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I like playing it. You got to think about helping
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though. But anyway, of course not. What are you
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kidding? Uh, you got to, right? So like, you
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got to think of the rest of your race. What'd
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you say? He's like, you don't need to, right?
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Unbelievable. Sorry. That was rude. Just rip
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my heart out to play devil's advocate. You have
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to think of the rest of your race. Like this.
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This is turn one, lap one, right? And knowing
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how it can be full of carnage, you want to make
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sure you're not hitting into someone else, you
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know, off the turn. You want to remember, like,
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hey, this is just a moment in time, right? Obviously,
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a good driver is going to want to go for a gap,
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obviously. But, like, you also got to have that
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mindset of, like, if I crash into the side of
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him, my whole race is done. If I let him go,
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I might get him later, maybe. The maybe part.
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right i was just about to say to play devil's
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advocate on that rubbish because of the maybe
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part right like this f1 is so precise and fine
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like you might not ever get that overtaking totally
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and in this scenario you know in this scenario
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this is oscar's best chance right yeah but but
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yeah who is it that made the infamous quote That
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if you don't go for a gap, then you're not a
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racing driver. Was it Lightning McQueen? I'm
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just kidding. No, no, no. This is like an F1
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driver said this. I have no idea. God, who the
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heck was it? I can hear the sound bite in my
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head. Yeah, I can too. And I usually know this,
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but it's Senna. Oh, yeah. I didn't want to say
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it without, you know, I'm being wrong. Say it
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again. What's the quote? If you no longer go
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for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing
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driver. Boom. If you no longer go for a gap that
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exists, you are no longer. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
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Sorry. I'm a little slow. i will so i do have
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one thing i wanted to play devil's advocate on
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where i did feel a little bad for max and that's
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the fact that the accident that happened that
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caused that yellow flag happened basically right
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at turn one right and so max really didn't even
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have a chance to give the position back because
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you're not allowed to overtake under a yellow
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or under a safety car right They had them. But
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he knew he went off the track. He didn't even
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try to slow down before that. They didn't have
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an opportunity. They didn't have an opportunity
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to look through the cameras and to say, okay,
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we think that Oscar was ahead at the apex. We
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think we're better if you just give the position
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back and then go from there. Because by the time
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they had time to look things over, they were
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already under a safety car. You're saying the
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team didn't have time to look at it and tell
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them that. Now, I don't think the team necessarily
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would have. That is tough because it was only
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like five seconds later and we're getting a yellow.
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It was an immediate yellow as soon as they crashed,
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right? And I don't even think they finished the
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lap before we got to the safety car. I don't
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even think we got into sector three before the
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safety car had come out. So that's not a lot
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of time for the team to be like, all right, what
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happened? Give the lap back. And I guess along
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the lines of if we want drivers to be aggressive,
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then you're in the thought process like, no,
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I'm right. Right. I'm not going to give that
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back because why would I do that? Right. So like
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that's I think that's an issue is like because
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that's a tough one. That safety car came out
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right after that incident. It didn't really give
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them the opportunity. Sure. And at that point,
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I'm starting to smell what you're stepping in.
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I don't like it, but I don't I don't particularly
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subscribe to it either. I think Oscar earned
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that corner. But sure. Fair enough. I do think
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Max should have at least had the opportunity
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to give. the position away not that he would
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have he should have been given the opportunity
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and if he decides not to then take your five
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seconds brother like that's on you yeah but i
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don't think he had the opportunity to do it onto
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the safety car fair enough did what do you got
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joe i i do think there was enough time safety
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car did not come out immediately i was watching
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race i was like there's a yellow flag here i
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was like why aren't isn't the safety car out
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i think i need to get boxing gloves man that'd
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be fun Because you're right, cars shouldn't pass
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each other in safety car. They're not allowed
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to. So he's forced to give a penalty, but I think
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they would realize that and then null the penalty.
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Or they would keep it after. I think there was
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enough time, and he made his point about not
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giving the place back. So the issue, though,
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is that they don't want to wait until after the
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safety car is resolved because then it's a race
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restart, right? The penalty was given at safety
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car restart. Yes, you're right. But I think if
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there was intention of giving the place back,
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I don't think they would have a problem. I think
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they would hold the penalty until he did it,
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is what I'm trying to say. But I think because
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Max are showing no intention and they were listening
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to the radio and they were making no intention
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of giving the place back. Maybe there's a disconnect
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because like I see like like they like what are
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you saying? Like you want them to to give back
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after the safety car? I'm saying that they might
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hold the penalty to allow Max to give the place
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back right after the safety car. OK, but the
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issue, though, is that then that's that's a safety
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car restart. Right. And this is Max's chance
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to a safety car. Restart is his chance to re
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overtake after that restart happens. Right now,
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if you take that away from him, that's an opportunity
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to overtake away from him. And then that's not
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fair to him because then he has to do the restart
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and then he has to give the position back. It's
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not fair to him, but he shouldn't have done it
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in the first place. i mean yes but like it's
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not a good not a good argument i think the real
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answer is that they should just say okay if you
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want to give somebody the position you can do
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it under a yellow or you can do it under a safety
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yes but like but like teams need to make that
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call not yes not stewards email race director
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can make that call yeah so that maybe that allows
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maybe they ask race director and race directors
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like yes do it now do it at this turn or something
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yes um but there is no mention of all this aside
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i actually i still think that there was enough
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time for max give the place back because safety
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car did not come out until they were almost on
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the back straight i think so they were in sector
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three that's still like in i would say sector
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two close to sector three um and yellow car the
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yellow flag was out on whole track i think at
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that point too yeah so even even then it would
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have been you know a little sus but yeah um he
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had no intention of giving it i i agree with
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the no intention yeah i agree giving it 100 yeah
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um yeah it was i mean like I don't know. How
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much of it, though, was really like, we're already
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under a yellow flag. We're about to go under
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a safety car. Just hold it and hope. Hold it
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and hope they don't give us a penalty. Which
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could be the case. Again, if you believe that
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you were in the right and you were there first.
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I mean, yeah, it's possible that they're like,
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yeah, that's also incredibly possible. They're
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like, no, we think we deserve that spot, so we're
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going to hold it. And they just ate the five
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second, knowing that Max is Max, and then he
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can probably fight it. True. This scenario, he
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wasn't able to, but usually he can. But Max continued
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on fighting the car the rest of the race, if
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you will, finishing P2. Not so bad. Might as
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well get into the Red Bulls. We've talked a lot
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about Max already. Yuki. Let's talk about Yuki.
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Yuki, Yuki. I actually want to hear your guys'
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opinions first because I have much opinions.
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And I like Yuki and Gasly both. It's classified
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as a racing incident, I believe. So how do you
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feel about that? Tough. He ruined two people's
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races, his own and someone else's. It is what
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it is, honestly. It was a racing incident, but
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it was a bad move. So for me, it was like, I
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mean, Pierre was next to him the whole time.
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You know what I mean? There's no way he didn't
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see him. However, like going into the turn, either
19:44
Pierre could have pulled a max, right? And just
19:47
cut the corner and saved his car and save the
19:49
race, give the position back and just go back
19:51
to racing. Right. But I just, I don't know. He
19:55
was right that they were both hitting the turn
19:57
at the same time. It's tough for me to put any
20:00
blame on it. What it looked like was that Yuki
20:02
was slightly off the racing line. That was like
20:05
turn two, right? Turn two, turn three? Yep, correct.
20:08
And it was like Yuki was slightly off the line
20:10
while Pierre was on the line. And on the line,
20:12
you come out from the corner. And Yuki was already
20:15
outside on effectively the outside line. And
20:18
so Pierre turned into Yuki. Yuki was in that
20:22
space. Right. And so like they weren't giving
20:24
each other the space that the two of them needed.
20:26
But like when like I was watching it with my
20:28
family, my brother and my sister in law were
20:30
like, oh, no, that's totally on Pierre. Oh, it
20:33
was 100 percent on Pierre. Like we watched multiple
20:35
different camera angles and both of them were
20:37
like, it's on Pierre. And I told them, I was
20:39
like, no, this is a racing incident. This just
20:40
looks like a racing incident. It just happens.
20:42
Yeah. And you barely touch the car and it sends
20:45
it flying. You know what I mean? So I don't really
20:47
think it's on either driver. I don't think it's
20:50
necessarily Yuki's fault. I think maybe he could
20:52
have done things differently. But again, you
20:54
don't go for the gap. Then you're not a racing
20:55
driver. Like for sure. And there's that. Right.
20:58
But then that's also an instance back on Joe's
21:00
instance where it's like it's lap one. There's
21:03
still a whole race to go. like somebody back
21:05
out but if nobody does stuff's gonna happen yeah
21:09
you know what i mean so i don't know man i'm
21:11
i'm watching it right now and like he's yuki
21:14
frustrates me on it to me here is going for the
21:17
curb like he's going for the on the line and
21:20
yuki's like going into him a bit like it looks
21:23
like it's on it just looks like a late turn by
21:25
yuki to me but again those cars don't don't like
21:29
turning well it's like they're coming like yuki's
21:31
coming out of turn one and pierre is coming out
21:32
of turn two like the corners are like right next
21:34
to each other and so it's like Like, they're
21:37
turning into each other, and Yuki was already
21:40
off the line. He basically has to be off the
21:42
line. It's a race start. Yeah, I guess Pierre
21:44
was turning into him, but that's because if he
21:46
didn't turn into him, he's going off track. He's
21:48
going off track. But that's what I'm saying.
21:49
That's why this is a racing incident. It's not
21:51
Yuki's fault. But that's why if there were to
21:53
put blame on someone, it would be Yuki, though,
21:55
right? I don't necessarily—no, it's not on Yuki.
21:57
It's not on Yuki. It's not on Pierre. It's not
21:59
either of them. I'm saying if there were. to
22:01
be put i agree i agree that in general i'm playing
22:04
devil's advocate maybe this is a bad i just i
22:05
just wish ghastly would have like you know taken
22:08
the max approach like you know what just save
22:11
the car and then give the place back and just
22:14
go back racing you know i mean pierre was ahead
22:16
of the apex there's no position to take back
22:17
or to give back like Pierre just would have ran
22:20
off. He would have gotten pushed off then, essentially.
22:23
He would have gone off. He would have taken a
22:24
track limits. And if he's not careful about how
22:29
he comes back, maybe unsafe re -entering. Re
22:31
-entering, sure. But, like, I think he'd be fine.
22:33
And he would just get track limits and move on
22:35
with the race. Fair enough. It's turn one. That's
22:39
how it goes. You're right. I mean, the line that
22:41
Yuki took. I mean, at the start of the line that
22:43
Yuki took, he's pretty safe. And he's like. up
22:47
against the wall on the of the ins he's up against
22:49
the inside wall yeah and the gas never leaves
22:52
the turn they're both right there gas can't go
22:55
anywhere else i such a weird i don't i don't
22:58
see a world where i can blame either driver and
23:00
neither driver blamed each other for it neither
23:02
neither one was upset it's just like screw ah
23:05
f it happens a bunch of things but yeah So, yeah,
23:10
I can't blame – I can't say that Yuki had a bad
23:12
weekend. It happens. It's racing incidents. It's
23:15
the struggle of starting in the middle of the
23:16
pack. For sure. So we mentioned Yuki. We mentioned
23:18
Gasly. Jack Dewan finishing P17 for Alpine since
23:21
we're talking about Alpine at the moment. That
23:25
was a poopy. You just got to be better than that,
23:28
man. For me, you should be eyeballing Liam Lawson.
23:33
For me, you have to be, again, at the very least,
23:37
I think you should be badgering Isaac even. You
23:39
should be beating both V -Carbs. If not, Haas
23:44
too. I mean, Haas is no slouch right now. You
23:46
know, like P13 and 14, but they still have some
23:49
pace. You need to be beating Haas if you're Alpine
23:52
right now. I think at the very minimum. Haas
23:55
and Williams are pretty sound in the midfield.
23:58
Williams is pretty decent. Annoyingly. You need
24:02
to be fighting at least V -Carb and Aston, right?
24:05
Those two at least for sure. You got to be beating
24:07
those two. 100%. And he couldn't even beat Stroll.
24:10
Yeah. Let's see. Let's go back up to Mercedes
24:14
here. We kind of jumped around a little bit.
24:15
But that's okay. It's flowing. I almost called
24:20
him Russell George. George Russell finishing
24:22
P5, Antonelli P6. Antonelli was another one that
24:26
flew off that first turn, too, at the beginning
24:28
of the race and then gave the position back right
24:31
away. I guess I got nothing to say, honestly,
24:35
because that's kind of what we're expecting out
24:37
of them at the moment. They need to be battling
24:39
the Ferraris. They were all day. I think that's
24:44
fine. You know, George. is going to be able to
24:46
push for more podiums this season, I'm convinced.
24:49
Yep. I think he'll get at least one race win.
24:51
Some people think I'm wrong. That's fine. At
24:53
the moment, it does look like it's going to be
24:56
wrong because Oscar's just running away with
24:58
everything. I think he'll get a win. But it's
25:01
going to be Silverstone. Yeah, it's going to
25:02
be Silverstone. That'd be sick. Antonelli as
25:05
well. Is he rookie of the year right now? 100%.
25:11
I mean, he's got to be, right? Who else? I mean,
25:14
the only other argument would be Hajar. But right
25:18
now, Antonelli Hajar is arguably doing it in
25:21
a worse car. And Behrman as well. All three of
25:25
them are driving phenomenally. That's a good
25:27
point. All three of them are driving incredibly.
25:29
Antony has the Mercedes, but he's close to George.
25:34
I'd say Antony is exceeding his expectations
25:37
as a rookie right now. I mean, those three rookies,
25:42
though, are exceeding because Antonelli's close
25:44
to George, Behrman's beating Ocon, and Hajar
25:49
is beating Lawson. So their expectation is, I
25:53
would say, just under their teammates, and they're
25:55
doing well. Yeah, I agree. Which reminds me,
25:58
Kev, Topps Chrome F1 is going to be crazy this
26:01
year with all these rookies in it. I'm saving
26:03
it up. We're going to rip some, and we'll tape
26:05
it for you F1 listeners. But it doesn't drop
26:07
until frickin' November. So it's going to be
26:10
a minute. But yeah, I know. But there's going
26:13
to be tons of rookies and that's going to be
26:15
fun. Anyway, sidebar. Let's see. Ferrari. I mean,
26:19
LeClaire's getting on the podium. He did it.
26:21
What else do you want right now? I don't think
26:24
LeClaire's going to beat Oscar. You both said
26:26
it. Oh, you said LeClaire was on the podium this
26:29
weekend too? Yeah, because we had very similar
26:31
moments. I trust him and George way too much.
26:34
I was going to save this question for later,
26:37
but I'll just ask now. Just ask now. who's your
26:40
inside guy like how did you guys do that how
26:44
did you guys predict charles on the podium i
26:47
told you i didn't i told you i didn't think lando
26:50
was gonna could make podium so for me if lando's
26:53
not making podium didn't make podium because
26:54
of a like a freak like a crash right he caused
26:57
the crash It's just, I just don't, like, how
27:01
do you do it? It's luck. Pure luck. I won't score
27:04
any points this week. Honestly, the Lando thing,
27:08
like, Lando had so much pace. Had Lando gotten
27:10
an actually good lap in in qualifying, could
27:13
have completely ruined that. Yeah. But, like,
27:15
he didn't. It happens. And I was very confident
27:18
that, you know, Charles has just been getting
27:21
better and better. This car is getting slightly
27:23
better and better. Three points this week. I
27:25
didn't know that. Yeah, so I was pretty darn
27:27
confident. I'm devastated. This is crazy. I'm
27:30
devastated. I was like, yeah, Oscar, I'm going
27:33
to get two poisons. And I saw you, and I was
27:35
like, oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah, that was a, I mean,
27:38
hats off. I'm not going to, I mean, we did it
27:40
last week. I can't do it again. But hats off
27:42
to you guys for guessing Charles and getting
27:45
him in your podium, like, on a whim more than,
27:47
like, we're looking at Ferrari, Hamilton battling
27:51
Norris. kept norris away from leclerc at the
27:55
end of the race more than likely 100 if that
27:57
didn't happen and do you i don't getting more
28:00
comfortable in the yes he is i'm happy to see
28:02
that too battling the mercedes as well like it
28:05
was a fun race i think norris was making bad
28:07
bad overtakes like he was he was doing it right
28:10
before the straight and then letting hamilton
28:12
take him but hamilton was taking him easy but
28:15
again it was oh yes yeah yeah lando and hamilton
28:17
just exchanging so much time like the The commentators
28:22
are saying it is all about the timing. Like,
28:23
oh, see, Lando was trying to let him go by and
28:26
he didn't. Lewis didn't take it because he was
28:28
waiting for the next opportunity. That's to get
28:30
DRS and go. And that's that's veteran status.
28:33
Exactly. No, that's it. And that's the little
28:35
things for Lando. The little things that a WDC
28:37
driver needs to be doing. Yes. Do you think Hamilton
28:40
knew that he was protecting Leclerc in that moment?
28:43
Or do you think he was like, no, I'm fighting
28:44
this? No, he was fighting. Yeah. Yeah. He was
28:47
fighting for sure. This is Lewis. I don't think
28:48
he was looking that far ahead. No, I know. You
28:51
know, I feel like that's not... him not looking
28:54
far enough ahead. I think it's a different mindset.
28:56
He's got the champion mindset. He's like, I'm
28:58
fighting for my position. This is my position.
29:01
You want my position? You got to work for it.
29:03
I like that. Like, it wasn't him being like,
29:05
oh, I need to protect my teammate because I'm
29:07
not going to catch my teammate. It's, I'm not
29:09
just going to give you this freaking position.
29:11
Yeah. Like, no, I mean, we've seen him do it.
29:14
Right. But, but he knew he could fight for it.
29:16
Yes. He knew he had the pace. The middle top
29:18
10 position fighting. He was fighting for a place.
29:20
Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I like that. It was
29:23
so much fun. Let's see. Let's see. Haas. Got
29:27
anything? Are we on Haas? What? Yeah. We jumped
29:30
around a lot. We jumped around a little bit,
29:31
but it was flowing, so it's fine. Actually, I'll
29:33
bring that up anyway. That's post -show. Sure.
29:37
We have post -production meetings, guys, just
29:39
so you know. Just so we know. We do? I've been
29:41
missing those. My mom picks me up right away.
29:47
So if you have suggestions for our show, please
29:50
leave a comment other than stop recording, because
29:53
that's not going to happen. But Mike, Haas. Yeah.
29:57
All in all, it could have been worse. It could
30:01
have been better. But straight up, we talked
30:05
about this on Discord earlier in the week. Is
30:07
that how you guys converse? Very frequently,
30:09
yes. Well, that's because you game, right? Yeah.
30:11
Together? Okay, that makes sense. We game. We
30:13
do a little time. We dabble. I think so. Yeah,
30:17
we were talking about it, and I was saying that
30:19
Haas still has that underbody problem, and their
30:23
biggest concern is... uh high speed corners right
30:26
and jetta is nothing if not high speed corners
30:29
and basically nothing i love jet on the game
30:32
it's just it's so much yeah it's just so fast
30:34
so many high speed corners and so like that hoss
30:37
car must have been like driving a boat So, like,
30:40
the fact that they were still able to keep it
30:41
that close to the points, I'm like, yeah, whatever,
30:44
guys. We take our beats where we got them. Williams
30:47
got ahead of us. Life moves on. We'll get them
30:49
next weekend. I mean, they got a bit ahead of
30:52
them. Just a little bit. Speaking of Williams,
30:54
we got a new Williams fan in the house. Just
30:56
ordered a hat. I've decided because Mike is such
30:59
a Haas fan that I am going to be pitting Williams
31:02
against him because it's for the fun. I really
31:04
like Haas, too. I've always liked Haas, but I
31:07
really like Williams this season. two he likes
31:09
being disappointed what i need to be a kick salver
31:11
fan so i can just be a fan of both of the bottom
31:13
team that's so funny i mean i think kick salver
31:18
hat once i bet i could find it on sale that's
31:20
so funny i mean i do i saw some earlier i'll
31:22
say there was there was some pretty cheap i'm
31:24
not i'm not buying the $130 jacket that you found
31:27
i think i found one for like 30 bucks 30 bucks
31:29
i mean it's like a that's like a wheel like a
31:31
wheeled like shaft form that's good for an f1
31:33
maybe some f1 hat that's cheap Yeah. $30. I wonder
31:39
why. Anyway, Williams. Yeah, Williams. I mean,
31:42
great showing from Sainz and Albon. Sainz finally
31:45
getting into the points and getting decent points,
31:48
too. He did start. You had to be a weight off
31:49
your shoulders. Oh, it was nice. I'm like, yeah.
31:51
This is where a Bowery should be. I'm like, finally,
31:54
we're seeing him kind of make some. But I'm also
31:56
like, this probably won't last a lot, like for
31:58
a long time. Like, Williams is still hurting
32:01
a bit. But we saw a really good showing from
32:04
Albon. Climbed into points. It was great to see.
32:06
Sainz did. lose two positions but he was fighting
32:08
some he was fighting some people behind him he
32:10
was fighting both Hamilton someone in a Red Bull
32:13
and Norris who we didn't mention had a really
32:16
good recovery drive but we're talking about Williams
32:18
right now um yeah it's uh signs mentioned at
32:22
the start of the weekend that the car felt a
32:23
lot better than it has so i think things are
32:27
looking at least a little bit up um overall incredibly
32:30
clean race from both drivers very very happy
32:32
to see them kind of get up there and now i got
32:34
a little rivalry going on between kind of all
32:36
three of us right because alpine's also once
32:38
they get their stuff together should be in that
32:40
same they should be in that with williams and
32:42
haas and evasin got their crap together i think
32:45
we're all like arguably v -car i mean really
32:48
really the second pack of of teams other than
32:52
kick solver can really all be battling each other
32:55
pretty much like the best of the rest is truly
32:57
a fight right now I mean, and Kick right now
33:00
is obviously in there, but just leave me alone.
33:03
I think right now our division is like our top
33:06
four that we always have. We've had for years,
33:08
right? And then we've got the two in the middle
33:10
right now who are really duking it out, which
33:11
is Haas and Williams. And then you've got the
33:13
other three who are just barely scraping by for
33:15
points trying to make things happen. But if Alpine
33:17
gets their stuff together, I think they can be
33:19
in that group of two. It could change. But right
33:21
now, 100%, no way. I think you're right. They're
33:24
just kind of like that group of two. Haas has
33:25
been almost in a league of its own a little bit,
33:28
right? in the middle like williams i only think
33:30
just joined the party kind of like aston last
33:32
and like v and v yeah exactly and v carb has
33:34
been like kind of up and down right now because
33:37
they're losing drivers and they're gaining drivers
33:39
and you know so i feel like the loss in factor
33:42
indeed um but i'm really happy to see williams
33:46
doing doing better it's a team that i feel like
33:48
i didn't love when i joined f1 but i've grown
33:50
to really to like so i think they become like
33:54
my underdog They are very historic. They are
33:57
historic. All right. Racing Bulls. You put disappointment,
34:01
Joe. I put disappointment. I mean, I'm cool with
34:03
Isaac finishing 10. I am. Lawson 12 actually
34:07
isn't horrible. Disappointment was specifically
34:08
for Lawson, I think. And it's just because my
34:11
expectation. Does he need to be beating Isaac
34:12
for you? He needs to be beating Isaac. Okay.
34:14
Fair enough. He has had more time in the car
34:16
than Isaac. Which is correct. Granted, not this
34:19
season, but overall. In general, yeah. In general.
34:22
For sure. He has had more time. I would agree
34:23
with that. So it's disappointing that he is.
34:25
not beating Isaac. Um, you're right. P 12, not
34:28
horrible. It's better at the end of the race.
34:31
So it's better than P 17, which he got last week.
34:34
I'm pretty sure it is better. So hopefully we'll
34:36
see a little bit more improvement. I'm, I don't
34:39
know, man. I just like, I don't know if I want
34:41
him, want to see him do well. I just, I don't
34:44
want to be disappointed in him anymore, man.
34:46
Like, I know, I know you wanted somebody new
34:48
to be disappointed in. Yep. You got something
34:49
to say. What do you want to say to me? Better
34:51
driver was on top. who isaac isaac right now
34:55
yeah i mean yeah absolutely like but it shouldn't
34:58
be that way right like lawson's had more time
35:01
why not if i said maybe isaac has more skill
35:05
Yeah, but then it begs the question, and I go
35:08
into an existential crisis that I went to last
35:11
week of, like, why did I root for this kid for
35:13
so long if he's going to do this? Joe, that sounds
35:15
like a you problem. That's a me problem, 100%.
35:18
The next Nick DeVries. You got to go save him.
35:20
Oh, God, don't even get me started. You remember
35:22
how much you liked him, too? I liked him. It
35:25
was very different for Nick, because I liked
35:27
Nick until he got into the car, and I was like,
35:29
oh, no. Oh, no. You're going to have to go home
35:32
and sage your house now. Look at the massacre,
35:33
my boy. Keep Logan and DeVries and these guys
35:38
off your porch. Wait. Do you think I like Williams
35:42
because Logan isn't in the car anymore? Because
35:45
they have a competent second driver? Probably.
35:47
Because who was before Logan? Was it Gotifi?
35:51
Yeah, it was Gotifi. Yeah, it was Latifi. Latifi.
35:54
Yeah. Maybe that's why I'm starting to like Williams,
35:57
because they have two competent drivers now.
35:59
Maybe. Maybe. We're going to go with that. Interesting.
36:03
Let's see. Kick Sauber. Fresh newly appointed
36:06
kick solver fan as of about 10 minutes ago. Congrats.
36:10
I mean, at least. Thanks. At least Bortoletto.
36:13
Oh, thanks. At least Bortoletto didn't take out
36:17
Alonzo. That was so funny. Oh, yeah. That was
36:20
crazy, actually. Like, he really almost. Dude,
36:23
I have no clue what he was doing. He's just like,
36:25
oh, green card. Yeah, seriously. Almost took
36:30
out his manager. Yeah, that would be awkward.
36:33
That would be awkward. The bro's not getting
36:35
a raise. And Alonzo's calm. He wasn't, like,
36:38
that angry. He was kind of, like, chuckling,
36:40
but it was, like, nervous chuckling. It was nervous,
36:42
yeah. Like, whoa, I still almost got taken out,
36:43
but he's the kid, so, you know. He did the classic,
36:47
blah, so close. That was perfect. That was perfect.
36:53
Oh, my God. I also want to know, because, you
36:55
know, one of your new favorite teams, both of
36:57
your favorite teams, same amount of points. Both
37:00
have six. That's crazy. You like them low. Low
37:04
on the grid. Aston, Alonzo finishing P11. Stroll
37:10
P16. What is this? Stroll holds up Oscar. Oh,
37:14
yeah. Oscar was complaining. Stroll was holding
37:16
him up on the blue flag. I couldn't see a lot
37:19
of... I didn't see it either. I didn't see a
37:20
lot of other notes, but he was like, yeah, Oscar
37:23
was tiffed about it. Yeah. Yeah, I think he mentioned
37:25
something. He actually called Stroll out inside
37:28
the post -race interviews, and he was not PR
37:33
about it. He was like, yeah, Stroll's just...
37:36
Doesn't know how to do what he's doing. Like,
37:38
basically, I'm very much approximating what he
37:41
said. Well, somebody said, it might not have
37:43
been last season, might have been the season
37:44
before, about how Stroll can't drive. It was
37:46
really funny, and I can't remember who it was.
37:48
Actually, I think it was Alonzo before he got
37:50
to Aston. Because Stroll's been racing for a
37:53
minute now. Yes. He really has, actually. Stroll
37:55
is the most seasoned, or he is the most tenured
37:59
Canadian driver in history. That's wild to think
38:03
about. Can you think about that? Oh, he mentioned
38:04
how Stroll was doing like a go -kart race the
38:07
way he was driving. That's so funny. Also, I'd
38:11
be miffed if we didn't note that Lance Stroll
38:14
just picked up a new all -time record this weekend.
38:17
That's right. Let's go. He has the most Q1 exits
38:20
ever. No way. He has the most Q1 exits. Q1 or
38:24
Q3 exits? Oh, Q3. Sorry, Q3 exits. He has the
38:26
most Q3 exits out of any driver. Wow. Ever. Yikes.
38:32
So again, well, you know, his longevity got in
38:35
that one. Yeah. That's what happened. Well, because
38:37
he's been so notoriously not great. Not good.
38:43
And just been in the car. Any other driver would
38:46
have been gone years ago. So notoriously nepotized.
38:49
Yeah. Yep. He was asked about that. Is that even
38:52
a word? Yeah, and he was asked. Oh, and he has
38:54
the funniest comment ever. Yeah, I'm going to
38:56
find it really quick. So he was asked about having
38:59
this new, oh man, it sucks to call it a record.
39:03
He responds, you put the McLaren drivers in the
39:07
Sauber for 10 years and they will have the most
39:09
Q1 exits too. Okay, well, you're in an Aston.
39:13
Yeah, exactly. So, Lance, that doesn't make sense,
39:16
buddy. He's like, I'm wasted potential, man.
39:20
That's our goal. It's like, that's your team.
39:22
That's our goal. I might have to be a Lance Stroll
39:24
fan. Specifically. I thought, man, at the start
39:27
of the season, I was like, hey, there's a light
39:29
at the end of the Lance Stroll tunnel, and it
39:31
was just another train. Somebody's got to do
39:34
it, right? If I'm Alpine and kick Sauber already,
39:37
I might just Lance specifically. That's my driver.
39:40
I can't even say that. Anyway, comms. Did you
39:44
guys have any good comms? I really didn't. I
39:47
had one. Yeah, I had that. His full comm was,
39:51
wow, he moved under braking. Whoa, that was close.
39:54
Whoa, so close. Check the car. Because I think
39:57
he did tap a little bit. The other ones I had,
40:00
Hadjar was commenting about his water system
40:04
was being weird and it was flowing into his helmet.
40:07
And one of the commentators said, Isaac Hadjar
40:09
getting waterboarded around the circuit. That
40:13
was awesome. Max, after getting notified for
40:17
his penalty, well, that's lovely. Explicit of
40:21
the F word. And how his engineer is like, no
40:23
comment, no comment. And then the only other
40:27
one I have is from Albon. Uh, his, his engineer
40:31
was just thinking about the gap to the car head
40:33
with overheating. And Alvin was like, guys, you're
40:34
not seeing the car right behind me as well. Or
40:36
are you not thinking about that? So the waterboard
40:39
is probably my first spicy dude. Yeah. Alvin
40:41
is spicy this season, but I'm also loving the
40:44
commentators. Like I've never noticed, like they
40:46
can be so funny. They've really been on point
40:49
this year. So far it was just some, some one
40:51
-liners like that. Like really, really funny.
40:53
Isaac getting waterboarded around the track.
40:55
I must've missed it. I bet like, I bet it's almost
40:57
amplified. So I almost want to watch. the practice
41:00
sessions because i bet it's amplified a little
41:01
more because they all they can do is like talk
41:03
right right i'm sure i'm honestly so oh man i
41:07
don't want our i don't want our episode to get
41:09
like banned by f1 but like my my sister wow that
41:15
would have sounded really bad my wife not my
41:17
sister not the same not the same person just
41:20
to clear that up i watch f1 not nascar um Something's
41:30
not happening. So anyway, my wife's brother.
41:34
Darn, where was I going? Oh, F1 TV. He's really
41:36
disappointed with F1 TV. Really? He's got F1
41:39
TV Premium, the 131 or whatever. Okay. So he
41:42
can watch all the different POVs and stuff. Which
41:44
is cool. During the race, it just all crashed
41:46
on him. I couldn't really. Yeah. So I think it's
41:50
the first time. So one out of five or whatever.
41:52
Right. We have any issues with the price you're
41:55
paying, though. I watched on ESPN. I did, too.
41:56
I could not. I was watching on my phone. I couldn't
41:59
get it streaming to TV. So I moved to ESPN as
42:01
well. I'm actually surprised ESPN does a decent
42:03
job with like commercials and stuff. No, no,
42:07
no, no. Yeah. All they do is take Sky Sports
42:09
is broadcast and just put it on there. They'll
42:11
do like ESPN will do like a little beginning
42:13
thing with some lady that's just like. hi this
42:16
is f1 on espn brought to you by mercedes and
42:19
then it goes and then you know she says the same
42:21
thing at the end this has been f1 on espn brought
42:24
to you by mercedes and then it's you know it
42:26
goes back to regular espn f1 f1 tv we just get
42:29
done done done yeah they still do the intro on
42:34
espn oh sick dude it's no it's full like tyler
42:37
when he was on the show before when we did f1
42:40
the first season uh when i told him it was on
42:42
uh espn he's like uh -uh i was like yeah he's
42:46
like dang i might not need f1 yeah seriously
42:48
so i like i'd like f1 tv for the practice sessions
42:52
right because those are all on there live right
42:53
yes yeah so i would like it for they do that
42:56
and they also have f not that i watch it but
42:57
they also have like f1 academy and f2 and all
42:59
that fun really yeah dang okay so that part of
43:02
it but you used to have porsche cup i think as
43:04
well i don't think what do you get out of premium
43:05
okay and then we got they get they get so you're
43:08
technically supposed to get i think you get a
43:10
higher quality you get more people that or you
43:12
get more devices people that you can watch it
43:15
from um i do watch the same thing on like four
43:18
tvs all the time yeah and also you get more i
43:20
think views like different like strategic like
43:22
views of like the race and stuff like that it's
43:25
uh did you get premium no no you got the mid
43:28
-tier one unless they I feel like I'm grandfathered
43:33
into their device limit at the moment because
43:35
I'm still able to watch on more than one. So
43:37
unless they change that, I'm going to stay on
43:39
what I am. But if they do change it, I'm going
43:41
to have to upgrade it. Fair enough. All right.
43:44
Sorry. A little tangent there. Kev, well, before
43:48
we move on, do you guys even have any news to
43:52
bring up when we get there? Not really, aside
43:56
from Max. i guess let's not do a transition kev
44:00
for news because there's not really anything
44:01
i can mention just one very this is not really
44:03
even news uh i got one too that's not also not
44:06
ferrari yeah so uh hamilton was mentioning something
44:10
about how the ferrari is still not feeling great
44:13
i mean also mentioned how ever since we got a
44:15
ground effects and this is right around the time
44:17
hamilton you know started getting really beat
44:19
like i mean in the mercedes ever since the ground
44:22
effects kind of came about he just hasn't really
44:24
performed as well as he could so that was a little
44:26
interesting not really news but just some commentary
44:28
from the the Ferrari drivers fair enough um I
44:32
also don't really have any news but I've seen
44:34
this from multiple sources now actually that
44:37
we could be getting a new F1 track uh in Saudi
44:42
Arabia uh in like 2027 oh yeah have you seen
44:46
the renderings of that i meant i meant to uh
44:48
to mention this last race actually yeah yeah
44:50
so that is is going to happen why do you say
44:52
it's called kadaya kadaya okay so saudi arabia
44:56
is meant to actually be like a temporary trail
44:58
jeddah is meant to be a temporary track um for
45:01
kadaya it's gonna happen now because it's done
45:04
so well they are considering keeping it on yes
45:06
do not take away i would be really upset i would
45:09
too i think you have to know like it's probably
45:11
like i mean they i think at some point The Middle
45:15
East has a lot of money that they can spend on
45:16
this. They can afford to host two F1 races and
45:19
maintain them. It's fine. That should be happening,
45:24
I think, like you said, 2027 -ish. 2027 -ish.
45:27
They want to be the first race of the year, though.
45:29
They want to knock Australia down and be the
45:32
first, the opening race of the year, make this
45:34
big futuristic track, dump in. It's like $460
45:37
million. They just want to build this mecca.
45:41
So they call it the Mega Project. Yeah. Kodaya
45:44
Mega Project. interesting i haven't heard anything
45:47
about that i've heard about the rumblings about
45:49
the chicago track yeah i have not heard anything
45:52
about that i think we mentioned kadaya once last
45:56
season and it was like still early like really
45:58
early projections and like the the template that
46:01
we were seeing was like the track went like 40
46:04
feet in the air and did like a which is i think
46:07
i remember that it's still the plan like really
46:09
i think so they're saying it's not like i don't
46:11
know about 40 feet but it's it's a good uphill
46:13
yeah and then yeah you have the turn immediately
46:16
they call it the blade i guess is what they would
46:19
be calling it yeah very like an embankment hairpin
46:22
yeah dude that sounds scary as heck but like
46:26
uh they say it's not out of the question like
46:28
it's definitely doable and like safe yeah i was
46:31
i was because all i could think of i was like
46:32
if you have something that's like that high up
46:34
it's like how are you going to stop cars from
46:35
launching on the side exactly i don't want to
46:38
see i i do not want to support a track that we're
46:40
going to see a driver possibly fly off and like
46:43
fly off the edge of this race you know yeah that's
46:46
gotta be right there like not not possible yeah
46:49
that's exactly like feel comfortable about it
46:51
yeah that is the rendering of the blade turn
46:54
at oh yeah i saw that Not possible, right? Just
46:57
not possible. Yeah, but it's not going to look
47:00
that pretty. There's going to be barriers and
47:02
walls. Renderings never look the same. I mean,
47:04
it's pretty rare. Sometimes they do with stadiums
47:07
and stuff. They're going to have concrete somewhere
47:08
around there. I don't know about the logistics
47:10
of it, but I know if they do the Chicago race,
47:13
I want the track to go through Union Park so
47:16
that we can drive past the Bean. That would be
47:19
awesome. Let's have them drive under the bean.
47:23
Under the bean? The bean gets pretty low to the
47:26
ground. Let's build the track under the bean.
47:29
There's barely enough room for one car to pass,
47:31
although they're making the cars smaller. They
47:33
are smaller. We could fit two cars under the
47:36
bean in Chicago. I don't know if we could fit
47:40
even one car under the bean. The Bean. The Bean.
47:44
Kev with The Bean. We're going to move on to
47:47
the Miami preview. All right. It's time to get
48:02
up to speed with Miami first. I have to ask,
48:04
what would you prefer, The Bean or The Sphere?
48:08
The Bean. The Bean. The Sphere. Vegas. Don't
48:12
get me started on Vegas, GP. That's a rabbit
48:14
hole. I'm not a huge fan. We're going to talk
48:16
about a different American track that is already
48:18
on the calendar. I don't hate Miami. Other than
48:22
the fake. Oh, I already blew your thunder. Oh,
48:25
the fake. Yeah, no, please. But the fake yachts.
48:27
Well, the real yachts on the fake water. I hate
48:30
that so much. Please stop it. If you're someone
48:33
who owns one of those boats or who runs admissions
48:36
on one of those boats in the fake water, I just
48:37
want to tell you, hit me up. I'd love to be on
48:39
one of those boats. So we're going to talk about
48:44
the Formula One Crypto .com Miami Grand Prix
48:46
2025. As always, a little fun fact. Miami is
48:50
the 11th different venue in the U .S. to host
48:52
F1. Unlike traditional street circuits, Miami's
48:57
race takes place on a temporary track built around
49:00
the Hard Rock Stadium complex, which after the
49:02
race weekend gets dismantled. Last year's starting
49:07
grid was Max to Charles, Carlos to Sergio, and
49:11
then to Lando in fifth. Lights out and away we
49:15
go at our first United States stop of the season.
49:17
Max leading the pack into turn one with Charles
49:19
right behind him. But Charles has a poor start
49:22
and allows Carlos to take second place before
49:24
turn one. The top three order is almost shuffled
49:27
as Sergio locks up and nearly misses hitting
49:31
Max, sliding in front of both Ferraris and into
49:33
the runoff area, coming back on track right in
49:36
front of the McLarens. This allows Charles to
49:40
take his place back while Oscar capitalizes on
49:42
both errors and finds himself ahead of Sergio,
49:45
overtaking Carlos in the next set of turns. Lap
49:48
four, Max leading the pack. Piastri makes the
49:50
move on Charles for P2 at the end of the back
49:52
straight. Down the field, Hamilton has a kerfuffle.
49:55
with hulkenberg for seventh place almost colliding
49:58
with the hall haas but making his overtake stick
50:00
it doesn't stick for long however as hamilton
50:02
looks up at the end of the long back straight
50:04
practically handing hulk his locks up sorry at
50:07
the end of the back straight practically handing
50:09
hulk his seventh position back these two keep
50:12
fighting for the next few laps until hamilton
50:13
makes the overtake again on lap 10 two laps later
50:16
russell takes eighth place from hulkenberg One
50:19
lap later, we watch Verstappen hit the ball art
50:21
at the chicane right before the long straight,
50:23
taking it for a ride and slowing him down slightly.
50:26
He pits two laps later for fresh tires. In the
50:28
coming laps, we see some fighting for the lower
50:30
places. Hulkenberg's day getting worse as he's
50:32
overtaken by Alonso and Gasly. Russell taking
50:35
the final point place from Ocon and Danny Rick.
50:38
Sargent cementing himself an 18th or lower. We
50:41
hit lap 28, and the next round of pits for front
50:43
runners begins as Piastri, who's been leading
50:45
after Max Pitt, does his own pit stop alongside
50:48
Simon. lines norris without a pit now leads the
50:51
race about 11 seconds ahead of max our net leader
50:54
and then a light shines down on norris as dark
50:57
clouds emerge for kmag and sergeant who collide
50:59
together in the first few s turns of the track
51:01
the safety car is deployed as norris is pitting
51:04
slowing the rest of the field down just in time
51:06
for him to get an almost free pit stop Lap 33,
51:10
Lando leads the grid on the safety car restart,
51:12
fresher tires than any of those behind him, but
51:14
Max is sticking to the back of him like white
51:16
on rice, fighting immediately through the first
51:18
turns. Lando is able to build a second gap to
51:21
Max, while a few places down his teammate Piastri
51:24
fights to defend fourth place from Carlos Sainz,
51:26
who attempts to overtake at the end of the middle
51:28
DRS straight. Piastri makes a wild defense move
51:31
on Carlos, cutting into him after the corner
51:33
and just about meeting his side pod to Carlos'
51:35
tire, but holding into fourth for now. more fighting
51:38
from carlos and piastri about six laps later
51:41
at the end of the back straight carlos takes
51:43
the inside line and goes a little slower about
51:45
it than oscar is anticipating he turns into the
51:47
ferrari clipping his front wing onto their back
51:49
tire and starting to fight him through the starting
51:51
straight and overtaking him to turn one but going
51:53
wide into the runoff and slotting it right behind
51:56
him piastri with a broken front wing now has
51:58
to defend from pairs but is unable to hold him
52:01
back on that 40 when he's overtaking by both
52:03
sergio and hamilton taking advantage of the wounded
52:06
mclaren at the turn where fight carlos the first
52:08
time piastri decides to take a wing change with
52:11
a side of fresh tires 16 laps before race end
52:14
he comes out in p18 now i vividly recall the
52:18
last 17 laps because i was feeling sick to my
52:20
stomach we watch as norris leads the race knowing
52:24
how one wrong move could end his chance for his
52:26
first win watching him build a 7 .8 second gap
52:29
to max and then finally watching him reach the
52:31
finish line Norris winning in his first F -Wing
52:35
race in our home country. We feel his emotion
52:38
through the radio messages as we watch his fellow
52:41
drivers congratulate him on the in -lap and the
52:44
dive he takes into his team after reaching the
52:46
end. Definitely still one of my favorite F1 top
52:50
moments ever. Our final is Norris to Verstappen,
52:53
Leclerc to Sainz, Perez to Hamilton, Sunoda to
52:56
Russell, and Alonso to Ocon. And that is up to
53:03
speed on the Miami GP. Our goat, my goat, Kevin
53:06
Magnuson, saving Lando's race. You're right.
53:11
It was kidding. And we won't have him this time
53:13
around. I forgot that that was Lando's first
53:14
win. What's Lando going to do? Without the goat,
53:18
Kevin, to save him again this year. I feel like
53:20
I remember Max putting up more of a fight after
53:23
the restart, but... lando pulled away just simply
53:26
like simply like i i thought i thought that i
53:28
i can't remember i think i was more sick because
53:30
i knew how lando like just he choked honestly
53:33
like he choked a lot last season and so i was
53:36
just waiting and i was like feeling sick but
53:38
he he held it out and was able to bring it home
53:40
a decent pace away from from max as well so it
53:43
was yeah it was a really really nice first win
53:45
right now today this second not necessarily this
53:50
season at this point but is lando still a wdc
53:54
champion a future wdc champion right now at this
53:58
point yeah as i'm sitting out here today 422
54:01
with those pants on these pants on yeah he is
54:06
yeah lando is still a future wdc fair enough
54:09
i don't know if it's this year but and i honestly
54:13
honestly i'm about to contradict myself i don't
54:15
know but i think he has I think he has, you know,
54:20
the talent to do it. I really do. Fair enough.
54:23
Fair enough. I was just curious. Just curious.
54:27
Okay. I guess it's predictions now, huh? And
54:29
I guess it's me first, huh? Because I'm still
54:32
winning. I got 15 Mike encroaches on me at 13
54:36
points and Joe doing his thing with 12 points.
54:40
Stupid Charles pick. I can't believe it. Crazy.
54:48
Really happy you guys are going ahead with me.
54:49
I'm actually kind of happy I'm in last place
54:50
because I need a little help on this one. Here
54:55
it happens. In this order, one to three. Yeah.
54:59
Max, Oscar, Charles. Yeah. Yeah, I see that.
55:04
I think the Ferraris are going to do well here.
55:08
What I don't know is Lando could absolutely bounce
55:10
back here and be on the podium, too. I also,
55:15
George is... You know, in the back of my mind
55:17
as well. George makes it difficult for me. But,
55:20
I mean, if Lando's not on the podium, he's probably
55:22
right there at P4 again then. You know, honestly.
55:27
But he could beat out Charles. But I'm going
55:30
with it. Max, Oscar, Charles. In that order.
55:33
In that order. Correct. Number one, Oscar's winning
55:40
again. Number two. Lando's back on the podium.
55:46
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hold on. He's back. He's back.
55:50
You said he wasn't going to come back. Yeah,
55:51
I know. I know what I said. You need to dive
55:55
into it a little bit. And number three is obviously
55:58
Max Verstappen. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So you're
56:00
going in that order, Oscar Lando Max. Yep. No,
56:03
sir. I think we're going to see a double podium
56:05
from McLaren. A double podium, maybe, but it'd
56:08
be 1 -3. There's no way they go 1 -2 at Miami.
56:11
That'd be crazy. I think it's crazy if McLaren
56:15
goes 1 -2 right now at any track right now. I
56:18
think Landau just doesn't have the right pace.
56:21
In comparison, Max is driving the crap out of
56:24
a car that doesn't also have pace, but Max is
56:27
going to be fighting for podiums I think most
56:28
of the season. 10 -4 is pretty good last weekend.
56:31
It is. It is. But 10 -4 is good enough to get
56:37
up to 3. He didn't impress me last weekend. I
56:40
do think he's going to be on the podium more
56:42
this year, obviously, because he's Lando Norris.
56:45
He won this track last year. He's clearly comfortable
56:47
here. For sure. He said max for three, right?
56:50
Max for three, yep. Yeah, it's kind of a toss
56:53
-up, but I think there's so many good cars here.
56:56
I think the Mercedes is kind of a sleeper pick
56:58
here. I know. I know. My gut was like George
57:00
at three. I'm like, no, no, you've done that.
57:03
I was sitting here thinking, I'm like, what has
57:04
George done on this track? Not much. He didn't
57:07
do well last year. He didn't. Both of them got
57:09
top 10, but, you know, they weren't close to.
57:12
We're picking top three, Joe. Is it good enough
57:14
to be top three? First of all, don't yell at
57:16
me. First of all, you're getting really aggressive.
57:18
Holy cow. Joe's mom will be very angry with you.
57:23
My mom said you got to come out and talk to her.
57:27
I'm like, I'm like a bird in your gaze. I'm like.
57:32
My mom says you have to go talk to her. She's
57:34
a little angry. I just stopped myself from a
57:37
spit take. I'm glad you didn't. Yeah, that would
57:41
have been awkward for everyone. I'm glad you
57:42
did not do a spit take on our thing. So I have.
57:46
Got to be good. I think Oscar is going to be
57:48
in my podium. He did not. He had a really bad
57:51
running last time, but he was fighting really
57:53
hard, and he just got caught out by Carlos. Uh
57:57
-oh. I am going to put Oscar in first. He won.
58:00
Yes. And then I'm going to put Max in second.
58:04
Yeah, you are. Because there are two really long
58:09
straights here. And McLaren has said themselves
58:12
that the straights are not great for them at
58:14
the moment. You're not going Lando. You're not
58:18
going Lando in P3. I am between Lando and Charles.
58:21
You know who you got to pick here. wearing the
58:24
hat man doesn't pick charles one time and it's
58:27
all of a sudden a charles believer who me him
58:30
oh i was like really good last year i was like
58:32
he's actually really good at this track and like
58:35
lando ferraris are decent at this track right
58:38
now they are they are and hamilton's getting
58:40
comfortable in that car so he's in podium no
58:43
but he could be helping out yeah he could be
58:46
helping out get somebody else but the pace of
58:48
the mclaren is still so good right uh It's interesting.
58:53
During post -race interviews, Lando had said...
58:56
He's delaying picking Gasly. Lando had said that
59:01
they weren't the fastest car there this weekend,
59:03
but Oscar was like, no, he's wrong. We were the
59:05
fastest car there this weekend. Yeah, I love
59:06
that. Okay, I'm... My finger's on the L for Lando.
59:12
Yeah, it's Lando. Okay. Just kidding. It's L
59:15
for LeClaire. No, it's Lando. It's Lando. It's
59:18
got to be Lando. Yeah, I just... I really think
59:21
I'm, I actually think I could like very possibly
59:24
get caught up by Charles again and he's going
59:26
to become my nemesis because I won't pick him.
59:28
And then you'll pick him next week. He was really
59:30
fast. I just feel like Lando, like his win last
59:33
year was like, it was not, it was at no point
59:36
before like the last lap or rather no point until
59:41
like the last 10 laps in like that he would win
59:44
this or he would even get a podium. Right. So
59:46
it was, yeah, but I think. if if they can not
59:51
mess up qualifying they're in a good spot quality
59:54
will be very interesting this is a very i think
59:56
we've mentioned this already like mclaren's has
59:58
a bad has a bad issue where they have two cars
1:00:01
on the grid right now and they need clean air
1:00:03
and as long as they have two cars on the grid
1:00:04
one of them's not going to get clean air right
1:00:06
you know so um if oscar if one of them goes into
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first i think they're keeping it pretty much
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through the whole race and then the other one
1:00:13
just has to hold out so just to keep it interesting
1:00:18
I don't wish this for my podium, but for F1 and
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for the rest of this, the outlook of the rest
1:00:25
of the season, I do wish Lando would win this
1:00:27
race. Just because it makes it interesting. Now
1:00:30
all of a sudden you're like, okay, well now what?
1:00:33
Now it's a battle between Oscar and Lando within
1:00:35
the same team, and that's going to be fun. You
1:00:37
know what I mean? God forbid Max wins another
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one. You know what I mean? Now what? As far as
1:00:42
WDC goes, constructors we know. probably right
1:00:45
but as far as wdc goes who knows i mean that
1:00:48
could be up for grabs if at the summer break
1:00:50
but yeah we didn't mention piastri is now leading
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the championship yeah by 10 by 10 points uh about
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that i'm just about to go yeah i can't remember
1:00:58
but i know he's leading you might as well check
1:01:00
instructors then we're out of here he's up by
1:01:04
10 points right now lando's leading uh um he's
1:01:08
he's leading oscar's leading lando oscar's leading
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lando by 10 points and then max is behind lando
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by only two yeah dude see that's what i'm talking
1:01:16
about max is right there all of them and 10 points
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isn't that and then russell's at 73 which is
1:01:21
only george is like the top four so a single
1:01:24
race if max wins this race too you should if
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your podium is right you did you did max oscar
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charles charles yeah so if your podium is right
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then Max is going to go ahead of Lando, but not
1:01:39
ahead of Oscar. I think there should still be
1:01:41
like a finish P2. Yeah. So if that's right, but
1:01:45
they will be like neck and neck. Yeah. Yeah.
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With Lando not far behind. With Lando a little
1:01:50
ways behind. now if george no okay george one
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wins the race now what i do hope i'm wrong i
1:01:58
do hope i'm wrong and max doesn't make it and
1:02:01
charles or george does because like they're like
1:02:04
not my worry at the moment right but max is max
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is a worry yeah i want to on record it's not
1:02:10
on my on my on record here it is just on record
1:02:13
that like i was at work today and my gut was
1:02:15
like like oh and Is George going to win in Miami?
1:02:21
Why am I getting a gut feeling that George is
1:02:23
going to win? Is this like a premonition or just
1:02:25
bad gas? And then you farted. So if George wins
1:02:34
this race, we know it wasn't bad gas. That's
1:02:40
true. Then we'll know if George wins. I'm going
1:02:43
to be like, dang, Mike's problem solved. Dang,
1:02:46
it wasn't bad gas. And if George doesn't win,
1:02:49
you're bringing the Tums. Oh, my God. Mike, thanks
1:02:55
for being here again. Happy to be here. It was
1:02:57
fun. Again, as always, we got a mola coming up
1:03:00
next. I'm sorry. I'm an idiot. Miami coming up
1:03:02
next. We just predicted it. I'm like three weeks
1:03:07
ahead, dude. Joe was here as well. Hi, guys.
1:03:14
I'm still here. His name's Joe. I won't be here
1:03:16
very long. Why? My mom's here. Dang it. Don't
1:03:23
forget Kev behind the camera and the computer
1:03:25
making everything happen. He got our third camera
1:03:28
up and running. That was all him. We got the
1:03:31
third camera this week. We got to make an upgrade
1:03:33
there, actually. It's frozen, actually, if you're
1:03:37
looking on screen right now. What a great picture.
1:03:40
What a great still. Oh, my gosh. If you don't
1:03:42
see it, go on YouTube, check it out. Anyway,
1:03:45
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