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GodTVRadio | TTOR Truth The Objective Reality | GodlessGirl Interview | Atheism, Evolution, Fermi Paradox · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Hello there, everyone. Welcome back to the teach you
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  our Channel and welcome to a very, very special God TV radio
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  Podcast. Today, I'm going to be doing a
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  collab that. I'm sure.
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  None of you saw coming because I didn't know until this morning
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  that it was going to happen and you probably never would have
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  thought this a couple of years ago.
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  But I am here, we have Godless girl, The Atheist on YouTube
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  that I actually respect. Add to basically all the others
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  who are more popular than she is.
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  Say hello Godless haha. Thank you.
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  Hi everybody. so Godless has been on a bit of a well I don't
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  think it's necessarily a mission per se, but some of the content
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  that she's put out recently, exposing the behavior and the
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  attitudes and the actions of the general atheist, YouTube
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  internet Community has been quite refreshing to me because I
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  have observed, a lot of the same things ever since I started
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  dealing with the topic of creation versus Evolution /
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  atheism, back in 2000, I think 17 And so I thought it would be
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  fun to have Godless herself. Come on here to go over those
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  pieces of content, maybe provide us with some more details and
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  we'll just swing on from there. So I think Godless before we get
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  into your content, maybe you could give a brief introduction,
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  brief introduction of yourself and what you're all about
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  atheists a YouTuber. I'm a true of big-time troll,
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  but I do have serious debates and discussions to.
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  I know a lot of philosophy. I'm really good at debating
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  anti-feminist, which is a rare position for a female to take.
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  I'm a big fan of Brett Keen. We've been friends for a long
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  time and I've been anti atheists for four years.
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  I think part of it is because I used to be one of those like
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  newbie rookie, arrogant atheist. That was really, really bad at
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  debating but I thought I was good at the time and then I so
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  now I hate that when other ideas because it like reminds me of
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  what I hate about what I myself or what I used to be very very
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  Noble of you to be that introspective unfortunately is
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  we're going to talk about later that kind of introspection
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  doesn't happen a lot in the atheist community.
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  All right, or Humanity in general.
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  But anyway, let me think I think the first thing we should look
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  at as a tweet that you made on December 9th of this month, just
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  got to remember where the share screen button.
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  Is there it is. We'll take Yes actually let's
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  take application window. This should work.
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  All right, I'm on. And here we have and those of
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  you who just That briefly, we are also live on quarter and
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  Josh, you TV. So, if for some reason, this
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  stream gets taken down due to a false flag campaign, or a mod at
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  YouTube, just not liking me for whatever reason.
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  I'll still be live on quarter and joshu TV, even if that
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  happens. So that's what that's all about.
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  So God lists on December 9th in the afternoon, showing a
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  screenshot from The Atheist Experience.
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  I pull they did asking if atheists had the Burden of
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  proof. Now, the reason I find this post
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  interesting is because as you can see in the picture, there
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  were over 12,000 votes on this pole.
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  So I consider that to be a pretty good representative
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  sample of the atheist Community. Assuming that it's mostly
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  atheists who were voting in this poll and so we see with over
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  12,000 votes that only 2% said that atheists have a burden of
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  proof, 27 percent said, no and 70.
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  One percent said only if they make a claim.
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  So what that really means is that of the twelve thousand plus
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  people who voted in this poll, most of whom, I presume were
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  atheists only 2% of 12,000. People said yes, atheist have a
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  burden of proof, and when you pull out your calculator, you
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  find some very interesting math. So you do 12,000 times.
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  Go to that means out of over 12,000.
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  Mostly atheist people who vote in this poll, only 240 of them
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  said yes atheists have a burden of proof when it comes to their
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  worldview. I don't know about you Godless,
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  but I find this very staggering because I told all the time,
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  that's exactly the word I was just thinking, I was told all
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  the time by atheists, who comment on cam, I caught on my
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  videos and as well as in their own videos.
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  You know, I was told all the And that, you know, atheism is true
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  and all the facts of reality pointed at our support.
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  It all the logic, and the reason and the evidence of the
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  observable reality, support, the truthfulness of atheism
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  Evolution billions of years, excetera.
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  And yet, when it comes to, you know, actually proving it 98% of
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  atheists, say nah, we don't have to prove it.
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  Why do they possess the ball on this issue?
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  It's either prove it that I would be asking, it's just like
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  give some kind of evidence for there.
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  Their client. You know, they think the burden
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  is completely on the theist. Which is weird because when you
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  think about atheism as a worldview teaches that there is
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  no God that exists outside of reality that made the reality
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  and everything in it. So you'd think there'd be some
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  pretty compelling evidence that would support that but yet,
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  apparently, 98 percent of them say now, we don't have a burden
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  of proof, we don't have to prove that atheism is true.
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  We don't have to prove if any kind of observational evidence
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  that Evolution as we teach it in schools on the cosmic, scale is
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  true. Not all.
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  The burden of proof is on you to prove us wrong.
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  And that basically from where I've been sitting, for years,
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  allows them to basically dismiss everything that I or another
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  Christian or another creationist presents.
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  No matter how well supported it is with studies observable
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  evidence. In reality, logic reasons, like
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  no matter what we say, they can just dismiss it because they
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  feel like they don't have to prove anything is That been your
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  experience looking at your brethren.
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  Yeah. Well, this is why they, the
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  boring debate about the definition of atheism is so
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  common because they'll either will, they'll either say they're
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  not atheists agnostics. So that then they think they're
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  not to defend their position or they'll they'll say, oh I theism
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  is just a lack of belief. Therefore, I don't really it's
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  not even a position out to defend it, but I can tell you
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  what almost always works to Corner them is You ask them?
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  Well, don't you think it's more likely than not?
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  That no gods exist, you know, like you're not totally on the
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  fence and they'll almost always say?
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  Yeah, I think it's more likely than not, that no, gods exist,
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  still pretty much always admit it when you work, it like that.
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  And it's like, well, that's that's a probabilistic claim.
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  You're making their, what's your evidence, you know, they're not
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  yet now. You have to support it, right?
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  Because in order, then it's like, come on Sir.
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  Come on, you're totally on the fence.
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  Like, if you had to put your money somewhere, just, you just
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  roll the dice. You wouldn't pick the side then
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  Being dishonest obviously dishonest, right?
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  Because when I think about, you know, something being probably
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  true, it's not because of a hunch.
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  I have it's because there's something I'm observing about,
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  whatever it is. I'm thinking is probably true
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  that makes me think. Okay?
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  Even though there's not you know, conclusive evidence that
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  this was true. What I'm seeing makes me think
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  it probably is you would think if that's how they view you
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  know. Well there's probably no God's
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  more, it's more likely than not. It's more probable than not that
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  there's a God. A door that you know or that God
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  doesn't exist, you'd think they'd have something they've
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  seen in reality that it instantly be able to point to
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  and yet we don't get this response to me.
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  Yeah, I mean, I have sophisticated atheist friends on
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  the internet who do know how to defend their position and would,
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  you know, be able to give arguments.
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  But this poles from like the 80s experience fans, the people that
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  watch, you know, that show. Matt Dillahunty used to be on
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  all the time. I guess he's recently left the
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  experience but that's the atheistic.
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  Variance is like what mainstream atheism is on the internet?
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  Yes, that's what I remember to because I remember when I was
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  younger. Like like eight years ago, nine
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  years ago, maybe even 10 years ago, I was seeing clip so that
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  show on YouTube and whatnot. So yeah, I was under the
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  impression by looking at who conducted the poll and how many
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  people voted that this was basically mainstream atheism,
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  being studied in real-time and I don't know, it's just feels
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  really weird. You know, to sit here and be
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  told that my opponents worldview is true, but he never has to
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  prove. Anything just doesn't sit right
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  to me and I don't think it's it writes its right to normal
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  people. And I don't know if you know who
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  Steve McRae is. He's a friend of mine, he's
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  called himself, but he's like a true agnostic because he
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  doesn't, he's been on the Forefront of the fight against
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  atheists about the definition of atheism.
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  He's like made himself enemies with, you know, Matt Dillahunty
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  and raw. Because I don't know if you know
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  who he is, you know who he is. I do know, Steve McCurry is I've
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  actually made content about him in the past.
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  Sounds like he's come a long way from the last time I talked to
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  him. I remember back in 2018, it was
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  he and I were having an argument with other people in a room
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  after a show, I was in. And he actually told me that if
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  I went to the Wikipedia page for wheatgrass, that I would see
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  that wheatgrass is an example of evolution in action.
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  Of course, I take up his advice and I go to the page and there's
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  not one mention of evolution in the entire article, not in the
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  sources, not in the text nowhere.
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  And that was the last time I really interacted with and his
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  content. So from what you're telling me,
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  it sounds like he's come a long way in these last like four
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  years. Well, I mean, he's usually he's
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  really anti-creationist and stuff so you guys are hungry
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  when it comes to that, but he's really done a lot to fight
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  against the definition of atheism nonsense.
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  I see. So I think we've talked about
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  enough of this. Well, actually, maybe we can
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  talk more about the 71% that exists within the 98.
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  The people who in response to this poll said.
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  Well, you know, we only have a burden of proof if we make a
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  claim. What do you think of that entire
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  logic of there's well, see that? So that's what they're doing is
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  they're Actual position is that it's more likely than not that
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  no gods exist. But they think if they just
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  claim that they lack belief that then they don't have to defend
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  it and they're doing that because they don't know how to
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  defend it even though they believe it, even though they do
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  believe, no gods exist. They don't want to defend it.
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  So they won't claim that. No gods exist when they're
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  talking to a Christian or whatever, they'll just say
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  what's the evidence. Because I lack belief but
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  they're just being dishonest about what they actually
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  believe. So that sounds to me like The
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  Christian who says yeah I believe that God exists in the
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  Bible is true. But when press, they can't give
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  you good evidence for why they think that Yes.
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  Oh, I'm saying is, they won't claim what they won't make the
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  claim and what they actually believe, they won't claim that
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  they actually believe, which is an incredibly intellectually
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  dishonest, and then they got around saying people like me or
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  dishonest, the irony is rich in that.
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  But yeah, I kind of get it. I mean, if you believe
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  something, but you can't defend it.
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  If you have any real self-awareness, you definitely
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  wouldn't want to be put in the position of having to defend
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  spend your worldview. Especially if you represent a
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  community like atheists do because then you could be used
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  as cannon fodder to say, well, you know, atheism is false, kind
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  of like, a lot of atheists will go to the low-hanging fruit in
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  the Christian Community and they'll hold that up as, like,
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  this is representative of all, or the best Christians that
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  there are as far as argumentation, and whatnot goes.
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  So I can kind of understand why they would want to, you know,
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  avoid Defending their worldview if they can.
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  It just it just feels weird that they would do this.
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  While simultaneously claiming that, you know, with certainty
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  that my worldview is false or that evidence and logic, and
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  rationality doesn't support my worldview, but does support.
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  There's, it's just, it's all weird to for them to be doing
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  all this at the same time. You know what I mean?
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  Yeah, definitely. So the other thing you did that,
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  I made a video about recently that I was hoping you could give
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  us more examples of an action was this medium post you made
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  called, you are a stupid and dishonest atheist if what I say
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  triggers you. And so you talked about, you
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  know, construction of true fan how it gets us through life and
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  that once allies are repeated often enough that the real truth
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  is suppressed and are constructed truth becomes our
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  perception or what we think. Ink is reality.
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  So I just wanted to go through points 1 through 5 and ask you
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  for more specific examples of those points.
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  Some point number one, you said you only read, watch what you
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  already agree with that. You deliberately stay away from
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  anything that might challenge your existing worldview and that
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  this is to Simply conform to your own prejudices and you stay
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  away from anything that might challenge your worldview.
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  And then because of this, you start unfollowing people on
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  social media who disagree with you.
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  And basically you point out how when we are comfortable, but we
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  believe we have no problem with being faced with dissenting
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  content and you questioned, why someone would shy away if they
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  really thought the truth was on their side?
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  And there, any specific examples of that, that you've observed on
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  the Internet or in real life that you can give regarding
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  point one? Just like atheists.
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  I mean, In. So they will watch the baits,
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  which you know, is I guess watching some kind of opposing
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  content, but then they'll only engage with like watching, you
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  know, atheists review, the debates, rather than a Christian
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  review, the debate and see what their criticisms are stuff like
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  that. So I basically have the opposite
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  approach. You know, I generally avoid
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  debates and instead I'll go to like the V logs or that YouTube
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  video Leo's that are much shorter that you know, the same
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  people are putting out and respond to that.
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  And I do see like Kristen's not that there's not intellectually
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  dishonest Christians but Christians alike, watch The
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  Atheist Experience and stuff, you'll never catch.
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  It's very rare to catch an atheist watching like a
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  Christian podcast or whatever. Yeah, I imagine that would be
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  true. Because like I said, in my
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  original video, about this article, my experience when I go
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  to like atheist YouTube videos by like sir sick and apology and
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  Professor stick and the like, basically.
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  All I ever see in those comments sections practically is
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  affirmation of some kind like you know, I was a great video.
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  Oh, you're so smart. Oh yeah, you really showed us
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  Christians and creationists in this one?
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  But like, rarely ever do, I see any kind of dissent from what
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  was said in the video, Even when there's some horribly wrong or
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  horribly fallacious, things being said in the video that you
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  would think an honest atheist would be saying.
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  Well now, wait a minute buddy. I mean I'm with you on this
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  whole worldview thing, but we can't be saying stuff like that.
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  It makes us look bad. I don't ever see that in comment
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  sections of videos by atheist evolutionist content creators.
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  I make the comment, you know, right?
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  And I mean you're gonna help us find exceptions to everything
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  we're saying but we're just speaking generally the general
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  Trends, I mean, I have seen to say here and there but it's so
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  sporadic and occurs so little, I mean, it's probably like two
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  percent of the comments I see in their sections.
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  Of course. It's been a while since I've
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  been trolling through those comments sections.
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  I'm just speaking from my experience when I used to do.
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  So more often back in like 2018, 2019.
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  Before I got busy, doing all the crazy Tech stuff I've been
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  doing. So Point number two was
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  basically the whole anyone who's a who disagrees with me is
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  stupid thing and that basically how atheists and people who
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  practice this in general, use this as a way to protect
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  themselves, from anything that descends from what they believe.
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  And you said it's this kind of thinking and logic that leads to
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  the creation of terms like magic Sky daddy and Basically, they're
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  reducing Christianity to an ad absurdum level.
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  So why is it so important that atheists, do not reduce
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  Christianity to the ad absurdum level and basically accuse off,
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  Christians are being stupid, simply for not agreeing with
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  them. Why is it so important for
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  atheists and your brethren to do that?
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  I mean I'm not sure we ask the question again.
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  Basically, why is it important to not reduce Christianity to ad
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  absurdum and they can't make us make protective labels to
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  protect yourself from, you know, a Christian who disagrees with
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  you? Why is it important for you guys
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  to do that? I'm sorry, I'm not understanding
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  the question of do we do Christianity, reduce
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  Christianity to a NAB ad? Absurdum yeah, you ready?
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  A contradiction interview. Well you wrote here by reducing
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  Christianity to ad absurdum, we don't need to worry about his
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  potential truth and that you're wrapping yourself in protective
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  labels. So I assumed that sent.
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  Well, maybe I like Miss tight that maybe that was a typo or
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  something. I didn't mean sorry.
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  I messed up there. Okay, well, I the way I
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  interpreted as you don't want to reduce Christianity's to some
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  absurd position. That's not actually taught in
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  any way, by any Christians ever because that's something I've
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  seen to in atheist content. That they will claim that
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  Christians say or teach things that I know for a fact as
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  someone who's been in Christian groups and churches Etc, that no
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  Christian I've ever come across has ever said that.
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  So it's not actually an example is so Aaron Ross, he always
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  strongman's the Christians on their definition of faith and
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  he'll say it's something like you know, I'm in a believe this
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  no matter what the evidence is against it, for no reason.
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  And And he's been exposed by Christians multiple times for
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  that's not the definition of faith, that any of them use.
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  And he's been asked to cite like a single Theologian who says
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  that and he never does. But he goes around continuing to
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  assert that that's their definition of Faith, right.
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  Which is weird to a Christian like me because there's all
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  these parts on the Old and New Testament where God literally
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  calls us to reason together with him.
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  And you see, Jesus telling his enemies as well as his
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  disciples. Hey, if you don't believe what
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  I'm saying, just At the evidence.
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  I'm providing through my works of my actions and you'll
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  understand that I'm telling the truth.
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  And so yeah, when I hear Aaron Ross, say, stuff like that in
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  light of what the Bible records and posts, it's like, well that
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  doesn't sound like the Christian worldview.
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  There, Aaron that kind of Blind Faith though.
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  That ignores all of reality, I have actually seen that before
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  in other sources, there's a name.
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  I think it's an eight. Our magazine article from 1999,
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  where Scott see Todd was reacting in the article to a
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  creation/evolution debate that had just happened what nearby,
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  where he was. And so he was given an analysis
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  of the debate. And at the end of his article,
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  Scott, see Todd The evolutionary biologist, I assumed he was, he
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  literally wrote that, even if all of the data in reality
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  supported, the idea of intelligent design that such a
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  hypothesis. Would be excluded from science
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  because it's not a naturalistic explanation of Origins.
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  And so, when I think about Aaron Roz claim that Christians, you
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  know, they just have faith. That something is true.
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  Even if all the evidence goes against it, we have in writing
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  evolutionists teaching that very thing about Evolution and their
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  rejection of intelligent design. And therefore creationism is
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  that well, you know, even if all the evidence supports
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  intelligent design and or creation, ISM, you know, that's
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  not allowed to be a conclusion. You come to because it's not a
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  naturalistic explanation of Origins.
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  I just thank, you know, if I tried to do that or if a
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  Christian apologist tried doing that saying, well, even if all
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  the evidence, in reality, supports atheism, Evolution
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  billions of years, well, such a conclusion is such a hypothesis
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  is not allowed to become too because it's not a super
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  naturalistic explanation of Origins.
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  If I did that the atheist community Would be up in arms
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  and saying that that's illegitimate.
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  And you can't do that. And, you know, you're a horrible
• 28:17
  person for doing that. But yet when their own people do
• 28:20
  it, we don't hear anything from that camp.
• 28:25
  Right? Which to me is really weird
• 28:28
  because it's basically, you know, if it's good for the goose
• 28:32
  is good for the gander. I mean, you know, if you're
• 28:36
  going to allow yourself to say, yeah, we can just dismiss all of
• 28:39
  reality. If it doesn't conform to our
• 28:40
  worldview, I don't see why Christians would be not allowed
• 28:44
  to have the same luxury, you know what I mean?
• 28:47
  Yeah, and that, by the way, that magic Sky daddy thing, that's
• 28:51
  pretty much a 100% correlation between it.
• 28:54
  If somebody uses that word and that they're us, you know, one
• 28:57
  of those rookie new be angry, atheists types.
• 29:03
  You ain't gonna have any sophisticated APS using that
• 29:05
  word, hope. I hope not because it doesn't
• 29:10
  quite fit, but Maybe you can answer this since you brought it
• 29:17
  up a couple of times you talking about the new be atheist being
• 29:20
  angry, is that traditionally or normally what?
• 29:23
  It's like being an atheist. When you first become one are
• 29:27
  such people usually that angry against Christianity or religion
• 29:31
  and that vocal about it. Usually not always I guess I
• 29:37
  certainly was like that, I guess.
• 29:41
  Yeah. So it's pretty normal from what
• 29:42
  you've seen then on the internet and the world.
• 29:45
  Yeah. And being very anti-religious so
• 29:48
  they'll like like, you know, all these 80s organizations.
• 29:52
  They'll Be the like freak out if somebody like, some Christiane
• 29:58
  puts up a cross on government property or something because
• 30:01
  it's unconstitutional, but hey, you know, they're not and
• 30:05
  they're just like being keyboard Warriors about the, they the 80s
• 30:08
  II just being like keyboard Warriors about it and all this
• 30:11
  outrage about a cross. But then, you know, when there's
• 30:16
  all these human rights disasters and other parts of the world,
• 30:19
  they're they're not concerned about that stuff.
• 30:22
  Right, who cares. If you're wearing a cross on
• 30:25
  your shirt, as long as you're freeing me from the rubble and
• 30:28
  giving me clean clothes, and food after, you know, this
• 30:32
  horrible thing just happened. Yeah, I think you care about the
• 30:35
  cross of that point. Of course, we could be because
• 30:40
  you're reduced to your most basic survival instincts and
• 30:42
  extreme situations like that. Although I'm not sure how I
• 30:47
  would react to being in that situation because often times I
• 30:51
  find myself being very calm and level-headed in scenarios where
• 30:55
  normal people for start freaking out or panicking.
• 30:57
  So I don't know how I would do it.
• 31:00
  That's scenario. So Point number three, you made
• 31:04
  in your article was about how a lot of times, a lot of Internet
• 31:08
  atheists will use words like rational and logical to describe
• 31:12
  themselves, but they don't actually the terms.
• 31:14
  Don't actually prove them to be any of those things and that you
• 31:18
  compare them to a placebo and how these placebos ultimately
• 31:23
  made. These people the opposite of a
• 31:26
  free thinker. Is there like a specific example
• 31:29
  or two that you've seen from your?
• 31:31
  Brethren in The Atheist community of this like where
• 31:34
  they claim to be rational and logical but then when they were
• 31:37
  pressed they couldn't defend anything they said with
• 31:40
  rationality or logic. So I mean sorry, I keep bringing
• 31:44
  up Aaron Ross. Just I hate him above all the
• 31:46
  aps. He uses those words constantly
• 31:49
  but then he admittedly doesn't care about philosophy or use
• 31:53
  philosophy. Which is looks like he does he's
• 31:55
  not even familiar with like what rational thought is and
• 32:00
  following inference rules. Stuff.
• 32:02
  All he does is scream scream at Kristen's and youth.
• 32:06
  Those words when he doesn't even know what those words mean,
• 32:08
  pretty much. Well, I do know that when you
• 32:11
  are angry. It is harder to think,
• 32:13
  rationally and logically but yeah I guess he just I guess he
• 32:17
  likes the anger feeling. It's the only thing I can think
• 32:20
  of I thought you'd think for him at some point the anger would
• 32:25
  subside and more rational logical.
• 32:28
  You know things would kick into his brain and he'd be like Oh
• 32:31
  I'm I'm sorry for the way I treated you guys in the past
• 32:35
  your worldview, still horribly wrong but but I shouldn't have
• 32:37
  treated you that way you'd think.
• 32:39
  After all these years, he would get to that point.
• 32:43
  It's those science, E-Type atheist ones to that they're
• 32:47
  using those. They use those words a lot, but
• 32:49
  they're all they can, like, do is whack off to science and
• 32:53
  worship science, and when they don't actually know any
• 32:56
  philosophy. So number for you, talked about
• 33:02
  How a lot of atheists will get angry with those who disagree
• 33:05
  with them - resulting in behaviors like shouting you down
• 33:11
  or swearing that you profusely or walking away from the
• 33:14
  discussion. And basically here as we can see
• 33:17
  on screen you point out how anger happens in situations
• 33:21
  where they don't feel in control.
• 33:22
  And so basically they are flashing out as their way of
• 33:26
  trying to get control back. Is there any examples other than
• 33:31
  Aaron Rod that you can point to of this in action?
• 33:36
  Well, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is like
• 33:40
  atheist screaming at Street Preachers.
• 33:42
  I guess without actually engaging with their saying,
• 33:45
  maybe. But, I mean, this is just all so
• 33:48
  right. Like in debates, you know,
• 33:50
  atheist do a lot of debates on the internet.
• 33:53
  Yeah. And it gets down to like often
• 33:57
  just them interrupting the opponent and stuff.
• 34:01
  Yeah, when Brett comes in later after I opened up the room.
• 34:04
  I'm sure he has. Plenty of fun stories about
• 34:06
  that. Thank yous.
• 34:08
  Have harassed him really bad? I know I remember I remember
• 34:13
  back when I first met him a couple of years ago over the
• 34:15
  internet and how he would start up you know channels on like
• 34:18
  huge tube and bit shoot and whatnot and it seemed like no
• 34:21
  matter where he went. There was always a couple of
• 34:24
  atheist trolls in the comment sections of his videos just
• 34:27
  saying, you know, the worst most horrible things or False things
• 34:31
  and like, they just follow him around like a sick, puppy.
• 34:34
  I just don't get it. Yeah.
• 34:38
  I mean, you have to be well then again I guess I should get it
• 34:41
  because there was one guy who did the same thing to me years
• 34:44
  ago when I was starting out as a YouTuber in my 2017 18 and I was
• 34:50
  starting to put out the creation versus Evolution responding to
• 34:53
  atheist, YouTuber content. I did forget, what is user name
• 34:56
  was? I think it was Scott something
• 34:59
  he would just comment on every single one of my videos.
• 35:02
  I mean, at the time, my old YouTube channel had like several
• 35:05
  hundred videos on it and he Commented on Mike half of them.
• 35:10
  He was my most dedicated follower just and the comments
• 35:13
  were usually the same about how stupid and silly I am and ad
• 35:17
  hominem attacks and whatnot. And then what I made the jump
• 35:21
  from YouTube to making bit shoot my primary and I left posting to
• 35:24
  YouTube for four years. He actually followed me the
• 35:27
  bitch shoot and started doing the same thing on all my videos.
• 35:30
  There for like a year and a half until I guess, eventually he got
• 35:34
  bored and decided to leave. But yeah, that guy was a lot.
• 35:38
  The pz, axon watching your content or was he just a minute
• 35:43
  of it and then commenting, I would say, most of the time, it
• 35:46
  was probably the latter. There were a couple times where
• 35:49
  his comments indicated, he watched more than a minute.
• 35:52
  But yeah, he just did he just had it out for me, like his like
• 35:56
  my existence. Just bothered him so much and
• 36:00
  me, you know, disproving or dissenting from the his
• 36:03
  worldview in my videos. Even if I was responding to
• 36:07
  someone else and just Just triggered him so much he just
• 36:10
  couldn't leave me alone until he got bored after like two and a
• 36:13
  half years of doing this. So, yeah, I can, I can relate to
• 36:18
  Brett in that regard. Now, number five is actually
• 36:23
  funny because I've encountered this, like, within the last
• 36:26
  week, actually, I think it happened on on Twitter or some
• 36:31
  other site know. I think it happened on gab
• 36:33
  recently with one other. One of my videos you point out.
• 36:37
  Number five, how a lot of atheists will post memes or
• 36:40
  quotes with like their favorite atheists.
• 36:42
  Like Dillahunty Aaron raw, Richard Dawkins Etc and that
• 36:48
  basically they act like they've made a point by Sharing a quote
• 36:52
  from someone they worship them. They worship The Atheist
• 36:55
  leaders, like their gods. Yeah, that that is definitely
• 37:01
  the way they behave, but why do you think they do this?
• 37:06
  Why do you think that? They feel like they can post a
• 37:09
  quote from these guys and act like an argument has been made?
• 37:15
  And why do you think that they are unwilling to master the
• 37:19
  arguments themselves so that when they're pressed about About
• 37:21
  it. They can actually give a
• 37:22
  coherent response. Well, they're bully their belief
• 37:27
  that they think that their arguments are good.
• 37:29
  They actually think that their arguments are good.
• 37:30
  So then that belief is getting reinforced by the fellow
• 37:34
  atheists that come along in the in social media and are like
• 37:38
  backing up what they're saying and stuff.
• 37:40
  And then you have the atheist leaders saying the same dumb
• 37:42
  shit. Oh boy, but leaders following
• 37:47
  the sheep, that ain't good but I recently just made an Instagram
• 37:52
  account and I wouldn't be able to think of a specific example
• 37:56
  without looking. But there's this phenomenon on
• 38:00
  Instagram where they're putting all these quotes by like
• 38:03
  philosophers and atheist. And when you break down the
• 38:06
  quote, it's actually just total gibberish.
• 38:08
  That doesn't even mean anything, so I can think of one one of
• 38:12
  them said. Philosophy, you know, desires to
• 38:16
  something something. I don't remember exactly what it
• 38:18
  was, but I point out philosophy. Philosophy is just like a system
• 38:23
  of, you know, rational thought philosophy itself doesn't think
• 38:26
  of anything. It doesn't have desires hiring
• 38:28
  his and it had. So the quote was philosophy
• 38:31
  desire. Something something it's like,
• 38:32
  philosophy doesn't have any desires.
• 38:34
  What does that even mean? It's just gibberish but you have
• 38:37
  like, all these atheists Harding, you know, Harding, it
• 38:40
  and reposting. It's so they're not even
• 38:43
  thinking about About what they're saying, but they think
• 38:45
  that the quote sounds wise or something.
• 38:48
  There's like, there's like dozens of examples of that I
• 38:50
  came across. I just can't think of specific
• 38:52
  examples. That's okay.
• 38:54
  But yeah, that kind of reminds me of all the people who defend
• 38:58
  the ideology of Islam at all costs.
• 39:00
  Even when Muslim jihadis, you know, go on a killing spree and
• 39:05
  that's something that David would the Christian apologist
• 39:08
  and YouTuber is pointed out for years, is that ideologies are
• 39:12
  not people. They don't have rights.
• 39:14
  You know they're not Beyond criticism and yet it seems like
• 39:17
  these atheists can't defend their ideologies when they're
• 39:20
  pushed. One thing though that I'm
• 39:24
  looking at on screen that maybe you could explain because I've
• 39:27
  never done it in a video and it would be fun to hear you.
• 39:30
  Explain why? Now aside from the fact that the
• 39:34
  quote, you're an atheist when it comes to Zeus atheist, just go
• 39:37
  one God further in response to that and besides the fact that
• 39:41
  it's a joke, if that was presented as a serious argument,
• 39:45
  why would that argument not work?
• 39:50
  Well, I don't even think it's an argument like yeah, it's not
• 39:54
  even an argument. Basic what what what about an
• 40:01
  argument does it lack that prevents it from being an
• 40:04
  argument just for infants and foreign students going on there?
• 40:10
  Like an inference to anything like a religious tenant or like
• 40:15
  what they're supposed to be concluding in the like, atheism,
• 40:18
  is rational or Christianity is irrational?
• 40:21
  From the fact. Of that quote.
• 40:24
  I don't get it. I don't even understand what
• 40:25
  they're trying to say. So just suggest the joke itself
• 40:31
  doesn't even make sense to you use if they're trying to use it
• 40:34
  as an argument it doesn't make sense and I don't even see the
• 40:37
  point in pointing it out I guess I don't know what they're even
• 40:39
  getting at. Well I guess the add the other
• 40:41
  trying to get at is that I'm an atheist in relation to Greek
• 40:45
  gods or Allah or whatever other gods from other religions you
• 40:50
  want to talk about. So I think the The claim is that
• 40:53
  well, you're an atheist in regards to those Gods because
• 40:56
  you don't believe they exist and we're no different than you.
• 40:59
  We just apply the same logic to your God.
• 41:01
  I think that's what their point is, but yeah, I think like, you
• 41:06
  just said, that doesn't strike me as like, in a serious
• 41:09
  argument. Just strikes me at best as a
• 41:12
  restatement of their position. So have you had any interactions
• 41:18
  with But our debates with well-known atheists or or do you
• 41:22
  have any debates with a nice at all?
• 41:24
  I did have a back and forth discussion with Shannon Q back
• 41:29
  in 2018. And then I think it was the
• 41:34
  after-show of that where I talked to Steve McRae and a
• 41:39
  couple other people and I've had back and forth video responses
• 41:42
  with Professor stick and vice try no.
• 41:45
  And Sir sick actually Vice dry know to bow out of his back and
• 41:51
  forth. Responses to me, after I busted
• 41:54
  him for deceptively editing, one of my videos to make me say
• 41:57
  something. I never said, he waved the white
• 42:01
  flag and claim that I was just, you know, like trolling him and
• 42:04
  just trying to, you know, agitate him.
• 42:06
  And, you know, basically, just ran off with a 30 second video.
• 42:11
  Uh-huh. Yes, I definitely consider
• 42:13
  Shannon q1 of the, you know, typical morons but she's like
• 42:17
  famous. And so the 22 of the things I've
• 42:22
  seen in is her debate with side, 10 Bruin, Kate, and Darth
• 42:25
  Dawkins and their presuppositionalist.
• 42:29
  So I really like presuppositionalist.
• 42:31
  I don't know how familiar you are with that
• 42:33
  presuppositionalist. Apologize.
• 42:35
  I have a basic idea but you can explain it a little if you want.
• 42:39
  But she seems like she doesn't even understand the argument,
• 42:42
  and you have a lot of famous atheists.
• 42:45
  Like debating, these pre suppers and they think they win and they
• 42:49
  If his audience thinks they twins but they don't even
• 42:51
  understand the argument. So actually presuppositionalist
• 42:55
  apologetics is what first separated me when I realized I
• 42:59
  was different than the fellow atheists because my fellow
• 43:01
  atheist because I realized that their responses were horrible
• 43:05
  and and they didn't realize it, but it's only their responses
• 43:08
  don't deal with the actual precept arguments.
• 43:11
  Is that what the problem was? Yeah.
• 43:14
  So like the priest, uh, business is a attacking pretty much any
• 43:18
  atheist. It's not well, versed with the
• 43:21
  argument. They pretty much destroy any
• 43:23
  atheist in debate that they come across because it's attacking.
• 43:27
  You have to have a lot of, you have to understand a lot of
• 43:30
  epistemology to deal with the argument.
• 43:33
  And um, So the, I mean, the majority of them don't have
• 43:40
  that. So they just like lose their
• 43:42
  getting destroyed and all these debates, and it's so bizarre how
• 43:45
  they think that they're winning. So, yeah.
• 43:50
  Actually, I'm a big fan of police officers on site and has
• 43:53
  recently, re-emerged on Twitter. He was gone for a long time, but
• 43:58
  yeah, I saw that too. Because I think I follow him to
• 44:00
  are on Twitter as well, but my, since you brought up
• 44:04
  presuppositionalist, it makes me think of my past.
• 44:07
  Experiences with people who identify themselves as that the
• 44:11
  main problem I have with presuppositionalist based on my
• 44:14
  experience with them is that a lot of the ones I've
• 44:17
  encountered, will basically throw out the idea that you need
• 44:21
  to appeal to evidence to prove any of the claims taught in the
• 44:25
  Bible. Which to me just doesn't make
• 44:28
  sense. Because like I mentioned
• 44:29
  earlier, there's passages in the Old and New Testament where God
• 44:32
  and Jesus both appeal to evidence to justify their
• 44:37
  Teachings, and their claims. I mean, Jesus, like I said
• 44:40
  earlier went so far as to say, hey, if you don't believe what
• 44:43
  I'm saying, believe what I'm saying?
• 44:46
  On the basis of the evidence, I provide you such as, you know,
• 44:50
  claiming to be God and then doing things only God can do as
• 44:54
  far as actions. Go like healing someone or
• 44:56
  performing some miracle that only God can do according to
• 45:00
  even my worst enemies. So yeah, when I look at that, it
• 45:04
  becomes clear to me that, you know, Yeah, every worldview has
• 45:09
  presuppositions that we believe in biblical worldview included,
• 45:12
  but when I read the Bible, I just don't get a
• 45:15
  presuppositionalist approach to apologetics at all.
• 45:18
  And yet somehow these guys do, and when you start pointing this
• 45:23
  stuff out to him, well, they tend to get very nasty towards
• 45:25
  people like me, huh? Um, Brett Keen asked in the
• 45:32
  comments asked, God is girl. Why it's so important to be
• 45:35
  honest and intellectual, huh? How does that benefit atheism?
• 45:38
  Well, in order to for two things?
• 45:41
  So, I think like, if you're honest and intellectual, that's
• 45:44
  going to help you reach true beliefs and then also to grow,
• 45:48
  it's like a growth thing when it comes to your positions, you
• 45:51
  know, your I think your position should always be like evolving
• 45:55
  and changing or you adding additional reasons for them at
• 45:58
  least. Hmm.
• 46:01
  And then Brett earlier said this most atheists, make the positive
• 46:07
  claim. We originated through natural
• 46:09
  processes. They do have burden of proof.
• 46:12
  That is actually a very good point, Brett.
• 46:14
  And that's something that I should probably reiterate more
• 46:17
  in future videos. They'll say a claim that we
• 46:20
  have, no, they have no burden of proof when it comes to you now
• 46:22
  proving that their worldviews true.
• 46:24
  But then, they do make these positive claims about how we
• 46:28
  evolved over deep time and It happened naturalistically with
• 46:32
  no intelligent intervention whatsoever, and then of course,
• 46:36
  there's problems with that. Mainly, the whole length of the
• 46:39
  process. I don't know if you've dealt
• 46:42
  with this before Godless, but one of the things that prevents
• 46:47
  me from believing in The evolutionary atheistic worldview
• 46:51
  is that the process of evolution is called a naturalistic
• 46:55
  process, but when you actually look at how long that process,
• 47:00
  Process takes, it takes so long to occur that nobody can see it
• 47:04
  happen in action, which ultimately means you can't
• 47:07
  record it as a historical event. And you can't set up an
• 47:10
  experiment to verify that this is indeed a naturalistic or
• 47:14
  naturally occurring process. So it's weird to me when things
• 47:19
  like Evolution, are claimed to be natural Nats things happen in
• 47:23
  the nature naturalistic processes, you know.
• 47:26
  But yet, we can't actually ever observe it happen in nature
• 47:29
  because it takes just Long. I mean, even the people in the
• 47:32
  Bible Before the Flood who were living to be 900 to 1,000 years
• 47:37
  old on average. Even if you accept that at face
• 47:40
  value, those people weren't living anywhere near long enough
• 47:44
  to ever come close to observing Evolution happen in action as a
• 47:49
  naturally occurring process. So, yeah.
• 47:52
  And that is part of the definition of science, right?
• 47:55
  Yeah, I mean, most atheists when they use the term science,
• 47:58
  they're usually referring to observational.
• 48:00
  Science. And one of the weird things that
• 48:02
  they do is that when I talk about the difference between
• 48:05
  observational and historical science, they claimed that
• 48:09
  creationists like me or just making up the whole category of
• 48:13
  historical science, even though the actual person who originated
• 48:17
  the term was an evolutionist in Scientific American who was
• 48:21
  actually defending Evolution and he claims that Evolution was a
• 48:25
  historical science before he proceeded to claim that it's in
• 48:30
  a Appropriate to appeal to observational science to prove a
• 48:34
  historical science. Of course this same guy.
• 48:38
  I think his name was Steven Mayer, I think is his name.
• 48:42
  He also said that Evolution was such a fact that we don't need
• 48:46
  to actually defend its truthfulness anymore.
• 48:49
  So he kind of was a little up and down in the way he viewed
• 48:53
  the whole Origins issue, but he was actually the one that came
• 48:57
  up with the term historical science but yet when people Like
• 49:00
  me, start using the term. We're being told by a lot of
• 49:03
  your brethren that, we're just making that up.
• 49:07
  I don't have much to say about Evolution because I don't know a
• 49:10
  lot of science, but it's like, if I was to debate Ken Ham, say
• 49:15
  and not bring any philosophy into it, just a beta Rivals,
• 49:18
  I'll get my ass kicked. Um, but one thing I do think is
• 49:23
  funny, is well, first of all Evolution abiogenesis or two
• 49:27
  different things, right? So and I don't think they have
• 49:30
  any Evidence for abiogenesis, right?
• 49:35
  Like if you put all the evolution stuff inside, but one
• 49:39
  thing that's funny is the point to Yuri, Miller experiment.
• 49:43
  Ya know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do actually have a whole
• 49:47
  video on it somewhere in my library.
• 49:49
  When they do that, the URI Miller Miller experiment is
• 49:53
  like, what do they get like DNA from RNA or some ridiculous
• 49:56
  thing in a lab under controlled conditions by Well with mines,
• 50:01
  right? So it's like that's actually
• 50:03
  showing that's like actually a evidence for intelligent design.
• 50:07
  Exactly. That's what Ox videos, If it
• 50:13
  took a took a controlled environment with intelligent
• 50:16
  people intervening in that environment to make something
• 50:19
  happen that can never prove a naturalistic origin of something
• 50:23
  that can only prove by definition intelligent design.
• 50:27
  And yet, I see every single one of the people Professor stick,
• 50:31
  Vice Rhino, sir, sick, Etc. They all appeal to stuff like
• 50:35
  that as evidence that life can come from non-life out in
• 50:39
  nature. And yet we don't see any such
• 50:42
  thing. I mean, it's not like these
• 50:43
  guys. Just set up cameras out in
• 50:45
  nature, recorded Life, coming from non-life and said, see
• 50:48
  everybody look it happens in nature.
• 50:51
  They literally had to intervene in an environment.
• 50:53
  They controlled even make it happen and yet somehow we're
• 50:57
  supposed to conclude based on that that.
• 50:59
  Oh, yeah, it happened. Out there in nature, in the wild
• 51:02
  and like the harshest possible climates on the earth.
• 51:05
  You can imagine like the hell Creek formation in Montana.
• 51:08
  Yeah, Al happened out there without us intervening in the
• 51:11
  situation. I mean, I believe in evolution,
• 51:16
  so I'm like being biased Against The Atheist here or whatever,
• 51:19
  but I'm just picking out stuff. I've seen them strong.
• 51:22
  So it was actually Brett Keen that introduced me to.
• 51:24
  This fact, there's a evolutionary biologist atheist,
• 51:29
  pz Myers. I don't know if you I know who
• 51:30
  he is but I've heard of him. Yeah, he says because of
• 51:35
  taxonomy, not only were our ancestors fish but we are still
• 51:39
  fish. So you just get this, just this
• 51:42
  complete Ridiculousness and then you have like these atheist fans
• 51:45
  of his that that will like back him up saying that and he'll be
• 51:49
  like, yeah, I'm a fish. It's like wow.
• 51:52
  What the fuck, what the fuck is the matter with you just stop
• 51:55
  it. Yeah, I cleaned out my gills
• 52:00
  this morning. It was tough.
• 52:03
  Believe me. But in seriousness though, After
• 52:08
  everything we've talked about. And despite the silliness of
• 52:11
  most of the atheist that are part of your community.
• 52:14
  Technically speaking, you're still an atheist who believes in
• 52:18
  an in evolution, a naturalistic explanation of Origins.
• 52:22
  So maybe at this point you could explain to the viewing audience
• 52:25
  as well as me why you are an atheist who believes in
• 52:29
  evolution and deep time despite the silliness of the people
• 52:33
  around you who try to advocate for it.
• 52:37
  Well, I mean, I just I'm just kind of taking science on
• 52:40
  Authority when they when they talk about Evolution because I
• 52:44
  don't know much about it. And then as far as being an
• 52:47
  atheist, I mean I can give my reasons for atheism, but I don't
• 52:50
  know if you want like for. Well, I don't know if you want
• 52:53
  how much you want me to get into that?
• 52:54
  But then also something that has absolutely nothing to do with me
• 52:58
  being anti atheist because I was anti atheist before this
• 53:02
  happened. But when I was offline for a
• 53:04
  year and a half, I was actually I was a really bad alcoholic.
• 53:06
  Can I was going to AA? And for a while, I actually did
• 53:10
  believe in a God, not the Christian God, but I haven't
• 53:13
  talked about that much because I mean there's been a few streams
• 53:16
  I talked about on, but I just assume most people are gonna
• 53:17
  think I'm trolling when I'm saying it.
• 53:19
  But I think, you know, with time and with the sincerity when I'm
• 53:23
  talking about it, people will be able to actually see.
• 53:26
  I am sincere and there's even moments now, or I still believe
• 53:29
  it, but I never, I don't think at all.
• 53:31
  It was irrational, belief, especially.
• 53:34
  I would believe these weird things about About coincidences
• 53:37
  in my life having meaning. And I think that was like that's
• 53:41
  it was actually irrational but there's days are I still believe
• 53:44
  it, but what happened was The I was like really desperate I was
• 53:50
  going to say and they got me too.
• 53:54
  They convinced me to actually try to pray and yeah and they
• 53:59
  did this by pointing out that my attitude towards prayer was like
• 54:04
  anything but scientific because I wasn't willing to try it and
• 54:08
  so they just said when you do it really mean it so I like got
• 54:11
  down on my knees and I prayed for God to give me the
• 54:14
  willingness to believe and then, you know, after that, even
• 54:17
  though I was really close. Ended my life like had
• 54:20
  incredible Transformations and fundamental personality changes
• 54:24
  which like these, like, I would have a difficult time explaining
• 54:29
  what the word spiritual means. But like spiritual experiences
• 54:33
  and stuff that would take, you know, people, a lifetime to
• 54:36
  accomplish. I accomplished in a very short
• 54:37
  amount of time by relying on this Todd.
• 54:42
  But I, yeah, I don't think that was rational and also then I can
• 54:44
  also get into my reasons why I am an atheist.
• 54:47
  I don't know if you have anything.
• 54:48
  Comment about that. All right, I do see you there.
• 54:51
  Brett. I just need to ask her about a
• 54:53
  couple of things and then I'm going to let you into.
• 54:57
  So the first thing I wanted to ask you about was you pointed
• 55:00
  out? Well, I guess talk with you
• 55:01
  about you pointed out regarding Evolution that you don't know
• 55:05
  that much about it. So you kind of just trust what
• 55:08
  you're being told by the scientific academic Community.
• 55:12
  Right. Yeah, one of the things that
• 55:15
  I've I've been thinking about making the video about is
• 55:19
  exactly that because whether it be a theistic evolutionist like
• 55:22
  yourself or Catholics or other Christians that believe in
• 55:26
  evolution and deep time, a common thing I see if a lot of
• 55:30
  them is they'll say well you know I don't really know enough
• 55:33
  about you know biology or the Sciences in order to you know
• 55:37
  really defend it in a technical or informational level and so
• 55:41
  I'm just going to you know trust these experts over here.
• 55:45
  I get both really sad. And really angry by that because
• 55:50
  I don't think people like you or other people who make these kind
• 55:54
  of claims. I don't think they're that
• 55:56
  stupid. I think they've been gas-lit and
• 55:59
  bring condition into thinking that they're too stupid.
• 56:02
  Essentially to be able to have access to this information and
• 56:07
  come to their own conclusions regarding whether or not
• 56:10
  Evolution deep time and big bang cosmology is true.
• 56:14
  I'm a firm believer that you can Can come to your own
• 56:17
  conclusions, on those topics, as long as you have access to
• 56:20
  information in your willing, to actually think through the
• 56:23
  matter because that's ultimately how I got to where I am today.
• 56:26
  As a young Earth, creationist follower of Jesus.
• 56:29
  I didn't come to this position because I was surrounded by
• 56:33
  people. Who told me it was true.
• 56:34
  I actually did the work of digging in my Bible and figuring
• 56:38
  out what it taught on Origins and actually analyzing
• 56:41
  dissenting views and comparing it to, you know, their own
• 56:44
  content, the Bible and I own life experiences Etc, and that's
• 56:49
  how I got to where I was today. I didn't know, I wasn't an
• 56:52
  expert in like, theology or biology or whatnot.
• 56:56
  But, you know, I had access to all the information thanks to
• 56:59
  the internet. And, you know, I know how to
• 57:01
  understand things and break it down to a way that most people
• 57:05
  can understand. And I know how to think through
• 57:06
  things on my own even though I'm not an expert, it's actually
• 57:10
  something I was commended for in college, was having a knowledge
• 57:14
  of religion that was really high.
• 57:16
  Hi, despite the fact that I didn't take a religion major at
• 57:20
  the college I was at. So I'm a firm believer that
• 57:25
  atheists. Like you are capable of actually
• 57:28
  accessing the information that supports at least allegedly
• 57:32
  supports evolutionary biology or a theistic Evolution.
• 57:36
  I believe you're capable of accessing that information.
• 57:40
  Reading it for yourself and processing it and coming to your
• 57:43
  own conclusions. I just think you've been gas-lit
• 57:46
  and Thinking you're not and I want you and everyone watching
• 57:50
  this video to know that you're not that stupid none of you are
• 57:54
  you just need access to information and you need to take
• 57:58
  the efforts to think things through and if that takes you
• 58:00
  like a couple months or takes you years because some people it
• 58:04
  takes years to process through all that information, I think
• 58:08
  you're all capable of doing it. And all these people out there
• 58:11
  who say that, unless you're an expert in evolutionary biology
• 58:14
  or unless you're like an expert in the science, Dances that are
• 58:17
  behind Evolution and a theistic Evolution.
• 58:20
  All those people telling you that they're wrong, they're
• 58:23
  lying to you, save gas let you guys for years.
• 58:27
  What do you think the motive is for them?
• 58:29
  Making it up? Some people don't know that
• 58:32
  they've been lied to and others are intentionally lying to other
• 58:36
  people. They are the ones that are
• 58:38
  intentionally, lying. What's their motive?
• 58:41
  Well, at the bottom line rejection of, God is their
• 58:44
  primary motive but what form that takes differs from person
• 58:47
  to person. And, but it's like a lot of
• 58:50
  people to say, well, that person did it because of this, and this
• 58:53
  person did it because of this. The only person I can
• 58:57
  definitively say something about motives is William Lane.
• 59:00
  Craig Because he's gone on the record as stating that you know
• 59:05
  you're not supposed to reinterpret the Bible in light
• 59:07
  of the majority opinion of the scientific and academic
• 59:10
  Community. But then he goes on to do
• 59:12
  exactly that to justify interpreting the Bible the way
• 59:15
  he does so he can justify his old Earth creationism beliefs.
• 59:19
  That's a guy who literally knows better has said so publicly and
• 59:23
  yet does what he does. Anyway, someone like that has
• 59:26
  made his motives clear and I can say definitive thing.
• 59:31
  About him. But there are a lot of people
• 59:34
  who do not have Sinister motives.
• 59:36
  There are a lot of people who believe in evolution billions of
• 59:39
  years because that's all they've ever been taught.
• 59:42
  I mean, I wasn't exposed to what the Bible taught about Origins,
• 59:47
  mainly young Earth. Creationism, I wasn't exposed to
• 59:49
  that until my mid-20s, you know, by then I had gone through the
• 59:53
  entire academic system. I had my college degree, I had
• 59:57
  only been exposed to evolutionary atheistic, Old
• 1:00:01
  Earth, creationist thick material.
• 1:00:02
  So I was never, I could never, I never grew up, knowing about
• 1:00:07
  young Earth. Creationism, I didn't even know
• 1:00:08
  what it really was or taught until I saw the bill and I can't
• 1:00:12
  ham debate in 2014. So is there a is there a
• 1:00:19
  question you were going to ask me before I finish that little
• 1:00:22
  monologue? No, no.
• 1:00:24
  I mean, I just, I don't have much interest in a bit
• 1:00:27
  interested me. You know, I'd be willing to look
• 1:00:29
  at this stuff. I just, it's just not important
• 1:00:31
  to me, I guess. Yeah, that's another factor to
• 1:00:36
  is that having access to information alone is not enough.
• 1:00:40
  You have to really want to dig deep and do something to really
• 1:00:44
  understand it. And for me because I have high
• 1:00:47
  functioning autism and I have an insane ability to hyper-focus on
• 1:00:51
  something. It was easy for me to be able
• 1:00:53
  to, you know, sit down and take the time in the Years necessary
• 1:00:57
  to sift through information and, you know, come to my own
• 1:01:00
  conclusions. I had the drive to do.
• 1:01:02
  Do that. Just because of who I am and how
• 1:01:05
  God made. I mean, I can't ask you one
• 1:01:07
  question. So one thing I just take is
• 1:01:09
  being totally incompatible with. I mean, I don't really want to
• 1:01:13
  talk about Evolution for long, but we can, I guess one
• 1:01:15
  question. It just seems to be completely
• 1:01:19
  incompatible with young Earth. Creationism is like the the
• 1:01:23
  existence of Neanderthals, and the fact that humans interbred
• 1:01:27
  with neanderthals, and we have fossils of people that were half
• 1:01:30
  me, underdahl and half human. What do you think about that?
• 1:01:35
  Well, I have never done a deep video talking about that but my
• 1:01:39
  initial gut reaction based off of what I do know is that the
• 1:01:44
  under tall's were humans for all intents and purposes and the
• 1:01:47
  fact that they could interbreed so to speak that kind of proves
• 1:01:51
  that they're in the same family they're humans.
• 1:01:55
  So you think they descended from Adam?
• 1:01:58
  Ultimately yes I mean I couldn't give you like a specific
• 1:02:01
  narrative that explains exactly how that And But ultimately
• 1:02:06
  based off of what the Bible says.
• 1:02:08
  I conclude that all people on Earth today who exist as well as
• 1:02:14
  the people who existed up. Until 4500 years ago, they all
• 1:02:18
  descend from the eight people who were on Noah's Ark during
• 1:02:21
  the flood of Noah 4,500 years ago.
• 1:02:24
  And those eight people descended from Adam and Eve according to
• 1:02:27
  the genealogies provided by the Bible that have numbers attached
• 1:02:31
  to them. So that's why I believe that.
• 1:02:35
  That we all come from Adam and Eve from a genealogical
• 1:02:38
  perspective. Okay, that's a good answer.
• 1:02:43
  I guess. Well I'm going to let in Brett
• 1:02:47
  because you know, Brett School. Hey did you are a Godless girl?
• 1:02:53
  Hi Brian. Glad you're here.
• 1:02:55
  If this is if this is the real Mark read please wave your
• 1:02:59
  hands. There you go.
• 1:03:02
  Okay. Just wanted to be sure of that.
• 1:03:05
  Yeah, real real not great place to end up.
• 1:03:09
  Sure. Sure.
• 1:03:11
  So now that now that we are all here just Brett or Mark have any
• 1:03:16
  questions for me or Godless. There's a couple different
• 1:03:20
  things. I won't go too long on the
• 1:03:22
  evolution but because another boards hell out of people but
• 1:03:26
  one of the things you guys brought up was what is the
• 1:03:28
  motivation of doing? This.
• 1:03:31
  Well, first of all, I belushin is a billion-dollar business.
• 1:03:34
  There's big money in it and that works really good for the
• 1:03:37
  materialistic folks out there. Number two, if you look into any
• 1:03:44
  of the stuff, have them, do a scientist who have went against
• 1:03:48
  it, they've lost their jobs. They've been discredited,
• 1:03:51
  they've been attacked. So it cost people their lives,
• 1:03:54
  their careers. That's one of the reasons why
• 1:03:56
  it's such a important thing having to do.
• 1:04:00
  This was the second DLo I had asked you out here.
• 1:04:04
  I said, why is it so important to be honest?
• 1:04:07
  And intellectual? How does this benefit atheism
• 1:04:10
  and you gave a good answer Godless girl, but atheists have
• 1:04:13
  always declared themselves as representing themself
• 1:04:16
  individualism, right. So if Aaron raw gets up on a
• 1:04:20
  camera and he crashes and burns or Matt Dillahunty makes himself
• 1:04:24
  look like a funky monkey for the millionth time.
• 1:04:27
  Why would you care? Why does it matter?
• 1:04:30
  Of these. These two clowns show any kind
• 1:04:33
  of advancement in their arguments.
• 1:04:37
  I'd like to have a crack at those questions.
• 1:04:39
  If you allow Brett, the idea that it's a billion-dollar
• 1:04:45
  business hasn't really got anything to do with the truth or
• 1:04:48
  falsity of it. The same argument is used by
• 1:04:51
  flat-earthers to sort of say, hey, NASA is a billion-dollar
• 1:04:54
  business, you know, Aeronautics and Space.
• 1:04:56
  Travel is a billion-dollar business or even more, so it
• 1:04:58
  can't be true. You know, one thing has nothing
• 1:05:03
  to do with the other automotive industry is a billion-dollar
• 1:05:06
  business. It doesn't Internal combustion
• 1:05:08
  isn't true. I think that's, you know, sort
• 1:05:13
  of a very, very bad argument that just because a business,
• 1:05:18
  something is worth a lot, then it can't be true.
• 1:05:21
  People have said that though, he was just asking because I asked
• 1:05:24
  earlier, what is the motive for them lying?
• 1:05:26
  I had right, right? It's false, but I think that's a
• 1:05:29
  motive. I think that that's, that's sort
• 1:05:31
  of a, a consequence of it being true rather than a motivation to
• 1:05:36
  lie. Why?
• 1:05:37
  Because if there was another thing happening, there would
• 1:05:41
  still be scientific research into that.
• 1:05:43
  Other thing that is happening. I mean, scientific research
• 1:05:46
  wouldn't stop. It would just be about something
• 1:05:49
  else, whatever that thing that they found evidence of is.
• 1:05:54
  And people lose jobs, not because they go again, just
• 1:05:58
  because they go against Evolution.
• 1:05:59
  It's because generally, they will fail to back up their
• 1:06:02
  hypotheses and things like that. They don't work within the
• 1:06:06
  scientific method. I have three books behind me,
• 1:06:10
  the slaughter, the dissident series.
• 1:06:12
  Providing a lot of documentation that what you just said is false
• 1:06:17
  people. Do get fired from their jobs or
• 1:06:20
  kicked out of school, or even attempted to be denied their
• 1:06:23
  Science degrees or whatever other degrees that they're
• 1:06:25
  trying to earn based on their descent from The evolutionary
• 1:06:29
  atheistic worldview. And Brett is right, there is a
• 1:06:32
  lot of money to be gained from saying that evolution is true or
• 1:06:36
  that there's a evidence supporting it because a lot of
• 1:06:38
  the grants that come into these universities are based on.
• 1:06:42
  Well, someone found evidence supporting Evolutions
• 1:06:44
  truthfulness. So my question to you would be
• 1:06:48
  if it's not true that people get fired from their jobs, simply
• 1:06:52
  for dissenting From Evolution. Then, why do we actually see
• 1:06:56
  this documented in history? Yes, so the ones that I've seen
• 1:07:00
  personally, when people say hey they were fired for not backing
• 1:07:04
  up Evolution or going against evolution.
• 1:07:07
  Actual papers that they've written haven't been supported
• 1:07:11
  by science and the conclusions that they've reached haven't
• 1:07:15
  been merited by the work that they've done.
• 1:07:18
  They've introduced bias into the papers, or they have sort of
• 1:07:22
  Taken research out of context. The amount of times that I've
• 1:07:26
  seen papers that come in that have taken, other research out
• 1:07:31
  of context and misrepresented, those other papers.
• 1:07:34
  And yes, that will get you a black against your name in
• 1:07:38
  Academia, not because you're going against the status quo.
• 1:07:41
  But rather because you're misrepresenting other people's
• 1:07:44
  work and it happens a lot and not just to sort of religious
• 1:07:51
  people, it happens to people that are supporting, say that
• 1:07:56
  want to prove their research and have misrepresented their
• 1:08:02
  studies. Look at look at Andrew
• 1:08:03
  Wakefield, for instance, I mean you know, being on the Spectrum
• 1:08:06
  I'm on Spectrum, you're aware of Andrew Wakefield.
• 1:08:09
  His has nothing to do with religion, tried to say that
• 1:08:13
  autism was caused by vaccines, and that, that got him
• 1:08:18
  blackballed, because it's not true.
• 1:08:21
  He misrepresented his research and that's been proven
• 1:08:24
  definitively. So I'll, he has absolutely.
• 1:08:29
  And his research was well, he has his, he had people
• 1:08:34
  complaining that he misrepresented, his research on
• 1:08:37
  Negation, they found exactly that.
• 1:08:38
  I mean, I can go into that, it might be a bit of a hot topic
• 1:08:41
  for the this, but the really interesting thing I want to
• 1:08:45
  address is what benefits atheism to have the truth.
• 1:08:50
  And it doesn't really, because atheism is just a position, a
• 1:08:54
  belief position on one subject, right?
• 1:08:58
  That's all it is. And philosophically speaking.
• 1:09:01
  That is all it is sort of. So the truth helps me Maintain
• 1:09:08
  that position short as it would, you know, the truth wouldn't
• 1:09:10
  help you maintain any other position.
• 1:09:12
  I don't think it benefits atheism.
• 1:09:14
  If you're talking about the larger atheism, the movement,
• 1:09:18
  the truth, always benefits people.
• 1:09:21
  Because with the truth, you have a better way of you have a more
• 1:09:26
  accurate evaluation of of reality and your choices are
• 1:09:30
  going to be better. So if you're talking about
• 1:09:33
  atheism the position well, I mean, it's a very malformed
• 1:09:38
  question. If you're talking about the
• 1:09:40
  atheistic movement, you yeah. Having the truth benefits.
• 1:09:44
  The decisions we make, because atheist, just aren't atheist.
• 1:09:48
  We also a secular humanists and believe in other things as well,
• 1:09:53
  so having the, the truth helps us make decisions about the
• 1:09:57
  world. Well, one of the other things I
• 1:10:00
  want to bring up to and not just about the scientist issue, but
• 1:10:04
  whenever it comes from materialism and money, I have
• 1:10:08
  noticed because I've been doing social media for a very, very
• 1:10:11
  long time. That atheists were very calm and
• 1:10:15
  very chill. They were more into the kind of
• 1:10:17
  discussions Godless was talking about what she actually
• 1:10:20
  endorses. She wants the rational
• 1:10:23
  intellectual discussion, but I noticed when social media
• 1:10:26
  started offering Partnerships and money and the ability to
• 1:10:30
  make t-shirts and and just sell sell sell and build products
• 1:10:35
  atheist, basically one of the Build a business out of
• 1:10:39
  aggressively going after the god concept, as well as religious
• 1:10:42
  people. If you do a video where you're
• 1:10:45
  insulting PTR, Brett Keen or any number a theist out there and
• 1:10:50
  your monetize, you're going to make a lot of money.
• 1:10:52
  So I don't think it's really so much about the truth, your
• 1:10:55
  facts. It's about clicks reviews.
• 1:10:59
  God bless you have something to comment on that.
• 1:11:03
  Um well yeah so like Matt Dillahunty for example.
• 1:11:08
  I know that he says a lot of stuff that he knows actually
• 1:11:12
  doesn't like arguments don't actually work and stuff or he'll
• 1:11:15
  like use fallacious reasoning that he just knows.
• 1:11:18
  He know he's aware that it's fallacious because he's been in
• 1:11:21
  these debates for so long but he knows his his audience won't
• 1:11:25
  pick up on it. So that's really the science,
• 1:11:29
  but Madeline. He's like basically a
• 1:11:30
  millionaire by now. I mean I think I was I don't
• 1:11:32
  know if the stuff I was looking at it was network is accurate
• 1:11:35
  but it is like Enterprise is built upon dishonesty now or
• 1:11:40
  like I could give the random example of Sam Harris has a
• 1:11:44
  degree in philosophy. So he knows perfectly well that
• 1:11:48
  when he writes a book The claiming that he has like a
• 1:11:52
  science can get us to objective morality.
• 1:11:56
  He knows perfectly well that he can't escape.
• 1:11:58
  That is a problem. But his his atheist audience,
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  he's going to make millions of dollars off this book, which is
• 1:12:04
  dishonest and his atheist audience is too stupid to pick
• 1:12:07
  up on it because they don't know.
• 1:12:08
  Any philosophy even though he has a degree in philosophy.
• 1:12:10
  He knows perfectly well, doesn't work.
• 1:12:15
  Well is right about just like a chime in.
• 1:12:18
  Yes, is right? It is right, though about
• 1:12:21
  atheists on the internet, basically making content
• 1:12:24
  attacking Christians like myself and him and others for money
• 1:12:27
  because a lot of the ones who do it Well, they do have like
• 1:12:31
  100,000 200,000 hundreds of thousands of Subs like on
• 1:12:34
  YouTube, for example and their videos will get anywhere from
• 1:12:37
  like 80,000 to like hundreds of thousands maybe even a million
• 1:12:41
  plus views. And if their channels are
• 1:12:43
  monetized, they actually do make quite a bit of money from Google
• 1:12:47
  off of that. So, Brett is right, that there
• 1:12:50
  is definitely a money motivation because the money does exist and
• 1:12:54
  it does flow from their content that they make on you.
• 1:12:57
  You can also tell from Oracle practices of non-believers.
• 1:13:02
  Like I said, I've been around in social media.
• 1:13:04
  They were calm, they were more till there were.
• 1:13:06
  Plenty of chat social media sites were atheists and
• 1:13:10
  religious people got along, just fine and discussed, and debated
• 1:13:14
  things aren't an intellectual honest level, like, what Godless
• 1:13:19
  wants to do, and what she's tried to do.
• 1:13:21
  But now, they get rewarded. And remember, do you notice
• 1:13:25
  also? It's the big mouse.
• 1:13:27
  It seemed to be getting the most views.
• 1:13:28
  They know that the More clownish and crazy.
• 1:13:31
  They act the more attention they get as opposed to the more calm
• 1:13:36
  chill types. Okay.
• 1:13:37
  His name out of it, then they know that one to spend.
• 1:13:41
  Well, I'd like to just sort of interject if you don't mind.
• 1:13:44
  Just for one second and sort of say that the sword Cuts both
• 1:13:48
  ways, that also you have a lot of Christians attacking atheists
• 1:13:52
  a lot, and they get a lot of views as well, you know, sort of
• 1:13:57
  so did the antics of Hope. Even with wacken atheist has
• 1:14:01
  given him a lot of attention, you know, in a lot of views and
• 1:14:04
  a lot of money coming in because I think he's got over 200,000
• 1:14:07
  subscribers as well. So yeah, he does.
• 1:14:10
  Yeah. So there are, you know, I think
• 1:14:12
  that's sort Cuts both ways and I think there are moderate sort
• 1:14:15
  of, you know, reasonable atheists out there like Godless
• 1:14:18
  girl and like these people that don't engage in that kind of
• 1:14:23
  attack politics kind of thing but that you know I won't I I
• 1:14:29
  certainly won't argue that there are those those people out there
• 1:14:32
  and, you know, they may be doing very well, but, but that sort
• 1:14:38
  goes both ways. And there are, there are
• 1:14:40
  believers out there who are also sort of doing the attack stuff
• 1:14:43
  against atheists, for no good reason.
• 1:14:45
  I can see a lot of it to me. Sounds like theater, you know,
• 1:14:49
  both sides are sort of engaging in this sort of.
• 1:14:53
  Well, how is it described to be like a WWE or whatever wrestling
• 1:14:56
  match kind of thing where they're both sort of?
• 1:14:59
  Jumping up and down and yelling and saying, I'll Crush you and,
• 1:15:02
  you know, it's all to me, it's just the actrix.
• 1:15:04
  It's, you know, I don't take it seriously, but it is a point.
• 1:15:09
  I definitely think that there are those atheists out there.
• 1:15:12
  Sure. As you well know, as you all
• 1:15:16
  know, mr. Kent ogun was incarcerated for a
• 1:15:19
  while where he wasn't even on social media.
• 1:15:22
  The internet do wacken atheist whack.
• 1:15:25
  An atheist was a later on deal that he decided to do.
• 1:15:29
  Watch his older stuff. He sees a calm guy.
• 1:15:32
  You know I watched some videos while he was in prison by
• 1:15:36
  atheists were they made animations of him getting raped
• 1:15:40
  in prison and these are the tablets in the content.
• 1:15:43
  Now imagine you get out after several years of being in prison
• 1:15:47
  you come out you see all these as horrific videos and things
• 1:15:51
  like that. I'm surprised he hasn't done
• 1:15:53
  worse than wacken atheists SpongeBob and goofing around and
• 1:15:57
  give him that smile. Well that's sort of a to quote
• 1:16:01
  Quay fallacy, sort of, you know, two wrongs don't make a right.
• 1:16:06
  That that isn't really what we're after we're at.
• 1:16:09
  Were after, maybe sort of coming to the table with some
• 1:16:15
  reasonable logical views and sort of saying, well, I'm not
• 1:16:19
  going to be horrible to you just because you're horrible to me
• 1:16:23
  because that just escalates things.
• 1:16:25
  I remember recently that some guy called Praise.
• 1:16:28
  I am, he made a video Of my face, superimposed on a band in,
• 1:16:33
  you know, jumping around and doing this.
• 1:16:35
  And he found it incredibly amusing.
• 1:16:36
  But, and I mean, I just laughed it off, I just went, oh, well,
• 1:16:39
  you know, it's sort of what you expect from some of the, more
• 1:16:43
  theatrical Christians out there. But, you know, I could, I could
• 1:16:47
  sort of point out instances where people have made videos,
• 1:16:50
  YouTube, mocking, and deriding me as well.
• 1:16:53
  And I'm nobody, you know, I'm, I've got no following, I'm not
• 1:16:56
  anybody in the scene, I'm just a random.
• 1:16:59
  Guy, you know, and it's just yeah, I didn't really do
• 1:17:02
  anything to Warrant that attack but you know, I must admit it
• 1:17:08
  was kind of funny, so I guess there's that.
• 1:17:10
  But, you know, there are instances of it going the other
• 1:17:14
  way as well. I think that maybe we've got to
• 1:17:18
  stop taking revenge for the things, you know, sort of done
• 1:17:21
  to us and sort of start being authentic and genuine rather
• 1:17:26
  than sort of going bald, you mocked me.
• 1:17:28
  I'm going to Mock You and I Nicole all Christians.
• 1:17:30
  This and look, I call it out. When people are saying, hey, all
• 1:17:34
  Christians are this. I will say, hey, not all
• 1:17:36
  Christians are the same. There's a lot of different
• 1:17:38
  types. There's this, you know, it's a
• 1:17:40
  myriad of people. You can't lump everybody into
• 1:17:43
  one category kind of thing, but and and The Stereotype of the
• 1:17:48
  angry atheist, it kind of exists.
• 1:17:50
  And there's a number of reasons why that that exists.
• 1:17:53
  But the The Stereotype of the vengeful, hate hate-filled
• 1:17:58
  Christian. Exists as well.
• 1:18:00
  And I think there's good reason for that, Steven Anderson,
• 1:18:03
  that's why that exist are out there, right?
• 1:18:10
  I don't know if you were watching the beginning of the
• 1:18:12
  stream, about the poll from The Atheist Experience.
• 1:18:15
  Viewers that only 2% of them, think they have a burden to
• 1:18:19
  approve to defend their atheism. What do you think so?
• 1:18:24
  Yeah, so I get when Matt's coming from, I sort of see that.
• 1:18:29
  If you're sort of and let's use a termite, I kind of dislike it,
• 1:18:32
  but I lack theist, right? So this this burden of proof is
• 1:18:37
  based upon making a claim that there is no God.
• 1:18:39
  And that's one that I take on, personally, I'm an atheist under
• 1:18:43
  the philosophy of religion, atheist definition, sort of in
• 1:18:49
  The Atheist Community, they're using atheist in a different
• 1:18:53
  way, it just means you do not believe a God exists rather than
• 1:18:58
  you believe. Leave that no God exists under
• 1:19:01
  that definition, you don't necessarily have a burden of
• 1:19:05
  proof, but in philosophy of religion you would more
• 1:19:09
  accurately call that a agnostic not an atheist.
• 1:19:13
  So, it depends on how you're using your definitions, but I
• 1:19:16
  think they're being like, so this is how I've cornered them
• 1:19:20
  is by asking them, do you believe that it's more likely
• 1:19:22
  than not? That, no gods exist.
• 1:19:24
  And they'll almost always admit when you phrase it like that,
• 1:19:27
  but they do hold that belief. So they actually do believe.
• 1:19:29
  No gods exist. That's like a positive belief
• 1:19:32
  but they don't want to claim it because they don't know how to
• 1:19:35
  defend it. Is it more likely than not?
• 1:19:38
  That no gods exist. That that's a difficult
• 1:19:45
  question. I don't know.
• 1:19:46
  When I was sort of more agnostic, I don't know how I
• 1:19:49
  would answer that because I don't know how I'd put a
• 1:19:51
  probability to a god existing, if I don't believe that a God
• 1:19:56
  exists. But so it's would be to see you.
• 1:19:59
  Or totally on the fence. And if you had to put your money
• 1:20:01
  somewhere, you just do a random Dole roll of the die.
• 1:20:05
  Never knowing know, because the default position is that we
• 1:20:09
  generally don't believe things until we have the evidence to
• 1:20:14
  support them and that goes for everybody.
• 1:20:16
  Not just not just you know, me or atheists or agnostics.
• 1:20:21
  So if somebody comes up to you and says you know I want a
• 1:20:27
  million dollars kind of thing. You would just if you didn't
• 1:20:30
  know them and you didn't know at all, you just go okay?
• 1:20:33
  And not you don't believe them but you don't believe that they
• 1:20:37
  haven't. It's just a work by name because
• 1:20:42
  week, I mean, right, backgrounds beliefs about people lying like
• 1:20:45
  How likely it is to win the lottery.
• 1:20:47
  But I think if you think that the default position is the
• 1:20:52
  correct, the default position of not believing that it's not the
• 1:20:57
  case. If you don't have evidence, yes.
• 1:20:59
  Then if you think that's the correct way to go, then you
• 1:21:01
  think that's the thing that's going to be more likely to get
• 1:21:04
  you true beliefs. Right.
• 1:21:06
  Well, I think that that is a Skeptics default position.
• 1:21:09
  I'm not sure about anybody else's default position, but
• 1:21:12
  it's definitely the Skeptics default position.
• 1:21:16
  Because if you are intellectually consistent, then
• 1:21:20
  then you would have to believe anything that anybody says to
• 1:21:23
  you without evidence, and I think that's a really bad way to
• 1:21:26
  go. So, yeah, I would And you just
• 1:21:30
  learn have to learn how to argue about making inductive
• 1:21:33
  inferences and stuff. Well I mean yeah but even if you
• 1:21:37
  think it's more likely that they are, God does not exist, you're
• 1:21:41
  still, not making a positive claim, you're still not claiming
• 1:21:45
  knowledge. So, when we're talking a burden
• 1:21:47
  of proof, we're talking about a knowledge claim, right?
• 1:21:50
  No, no. I look a lot of Christians won't
• 1:21:54
  claim that they know God exists. They just believe God exists.
• 1:21:57
  And the atheist is still going to ask those questions for us.
• 1:21:59
  Evidence even though they're not claiming to know it.
• 1:22:01
  Well, I can't know. I'm us why they believe it but
• 1:22:04
  I'm not going to demand say. They have a burden of proof if
• 1:22:07
  they just claim to believe it and I mean I can go on believing
• 1:22:10
  it doesn't doesn't worry me any. Yeah, I was going to say to wrap
• 1:22:15
  this up. Usually, when you believe that
• 1:22:19
  it's more likely that God doesn't exist, then he does
• 1:22:22
  exist. Or if you believe that it's more
• 1:22:25
  likely that God does exist, then he doesn't exist.
• 1:22:29
  Usually, that's because there's something tangible that you've
• 1:22:32
  observed in reality that causes you to go one way or the other.
• 1:22:37
  And so I think that's the point that Godless is trying to bring
• 1:22:40
  up with you. When she all your question, I
• 1:22:44
  was going to say to TT or yeah, unless because I know Godless
• 1:22:47
  has participated in an unbelievable amount of debates
• 1:22:51
  and discussions whether Discord her on her cell, our Channel,
• 1:22:55
  and also other people stuff I Godless you have repeat Eat
• 1:22:59
  idli, although atheists claim classically the lack of leaf and
• 1:23:03
  deities, do they not assert that reality.
• 1:23:07
  Dictates that everything including the universe and life
• 1:23:10
  itself, they make the positive claim that it all was a natural
• 1:23:14
  process by doing. So by completely, giving this
• 1:23:18
  other perception of reality and stating, the supernatural does
• 1:23:21
  not exist. Equals out to burden of proof.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah. Well that's another that's
• 1:23:28
  another thing is if you ask them to look do you think life came
• 1:23:31
  from? You know I got like some other
• 1:23:33
  life like a God they're going to say no and then it's like so are
• 1:23:36
  you agnostic about abiogenesis? Then we'll know they're going to
• 1:23:40
  say, they believe life came from non-life which is a positive
• 1:23:43
  position if they don't admit to that they're being dishonest.
• 1:23:46
  Well, I'm actually that that naturalism.
• 1:23:49
  Like I'm not a hard natural, like, I don't believe in
• 1:23:53
  naturalism. The philosophical thing, that is
• 1:23:57
  Supernatural things on those things outside of natural world
• 1:24:00
  can possibly exist. All we've seen is natural
• 1:24:04
  things. I only have evidence for natural
• 1:24:05
  things and to answer your question about before, if, if
• 1:24:09
  you're sort of saying that I have no evidence of a god
• 1:24:12
  existing that hasn't been demonstrated to me, that is
• 1:24:15
  fulfilling your burden of proof that sort of says.
• 1:24:18
  Well, you know, like you were talking about physical evidence
• 1:24:20
  or some sort of evidence that's enough to fulfill that.
• 1:24:25
  Well I don't Don't believe that because no evidence has been
• 1:24:29
  presented to me if you want to see that as a burden of proof
• 1:24:33
  that you have to prove that no evidence exists.
• 1:24:35
  I think that that's completely unrealistic.
• 1:24:38
  But to address naturalism for a second, I don't exclude
• 1:24:43
  Supernatural things but I've got no reason to believe that
• 1:24:46
  Supernatural things exist. So it's the lack of evidence for
• 1:24:50
  the supernatural. That is my I guess meeting my
• 1:24:53
  burden of proof, if you want to look at it like that but A very
• 1:24:57
  strange way to describe not having evidence as being
• 1:25:01
  evidence of something. It's very, very strange man.
• 1:25:05
  PPR may I throw something out for Mark, see what is viewers
• 1:25:09
  and something sure go ahead, we still got some time.
• 1:25:12
  So most most religious people that I've experienced as well as
• 1:25:17
  non-believers. Accept the common theory of the
• 1:25:19
  Big Bang, basically that there was a point where time and space
• 1:25:24
  and matter came into existence. So So would you not say that
• 1:25:28
  whatever started this was outside of time-space nature?
• 1:25:32
  Because nature doesn't create itself, isn't that by
• 1:25:35
  definition, the origin of the universe, big bang, a
• 1:25:38
  supernatural Association so that's sort of a misconception
• 1:25:45
  of exactly what the big bang is. So the Big Bang is the
• 1:25:50
  description of the rapid expansion of space-time from
• 1:25:55
  from the start. And we I've got a cable at one
• 1:25:58
  point, we kind of know because of this evidence that we have on
• 1:26:02
  cosmology that it used to be a singularity a point in space.
• 1:26:06
  That's very, very small and very dense.
• 1:26:09
  Insanely dense basically just insanely small and dense.
• 1:26:12
  However, however, we don't know the origins of the universe, we
• 1:26:17
  don't know where that came from. We can see backwards as far as
• 1:26:23
  one plank second, which is an infinitely small Out of time
• 1:26:27
  before where we sort of presume the origin would have been when
• 1:26:31
  we sort of say, hey, that's where the origin is.
• 1:26:34
  But we can't actually see back to that, that point, because
• 1:26:37
  physics kind of breaks down at that point when you start to get
• 1:26:41
  into singularities and you know, incredibly complex stuff, it
• 1:26:45
  just sort of breaks down. So the Big Bang isn't
• 1:26:49
  technically the origin of the universe.
• 1:26:51
  The Big Bang just describes the rapid expansion of the
• 1:26:54
  singularity from very, very Dance small state to the
• 1:27:01
  universe. As we see it at the moment.
• 1:27:04
  Well, I don't know, claiming that the nature and space and
• 1:27:08
  time itself came into existence. And if you don't have nature
• 1:27:13
  then you don't have the laws of nature.
• 1:27:15
  Therefore by definition a very definition of something that
• 1:27:18
  exists outside the laws of nature the universe by
• 1:27:21
  definition is super natural in origin.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah, if the law you said The laws of physics are breaking
• 1:27:28
  down at the Big Bang, so if, when that, so then like whatever
• 1:27:32
  state was Prior that like, is either breaking are transcending
• 1:27:36
  the laws of physics, which is Supernatural by definition, but
• 1:27:39
  I actually have to get going. So, thanks for having me on.
• 1:27:42
  Okay. I always wonder you Godless.
• 1:27:44
  I love your intellectual honesty.
• 1:27:46
  You keep rocking. Thanks, thanks.
• 1:27:49
  Thanks for joining. Yes, I physics is the
• 1:27:52
  description of the laws within our universe.
• 1:27:55
  Like I don't know. Cause I don't know what was
• 1:27:58
  around before. The Big Bang.
• 1:28:01
  I don't know, right? So if if they're, what is a
• 1:28:05
  larger Cosmos that has different laws of physics because physics
• 1:28:10
  just describe the way that physical interactions happen
• 1:28:13
  within our universe. There's the better laws of our
• 1:28:15
  universe. It may still be natural.
• 1:28:19
  There might just be different parameters and effects of
• 1:28:23
  physics happening. I don't know.
• 1:28:26
  I don't know if there's anything outside the universe.
• 1:28:29
  Like a larger Cosmos. I don't know whether because
• 1:28:33
  there's another and and bigger question is that if the universe
• 1:28:39
  expanding and from The Singularity created space time
• 1:28:43
  and time is just another dimension of space.
• 1:28:47
  If space-time was was sort of the origins, were the start of
• 1:28:53
  the universe, then if there was no time For the universe.
• 1:28:58
  What are we kind of talking about as before?
• 1:29:02
  Like there can't be a before if there's no time.
• 1:29:06
  So, it is quite possible that upon like when the singularity
• 1:29:12
  was condensed time is slowing, slowing, slowing, slowing until
• 1:29:17
  it is essentially, Eternal essentially.
• 1:29:21
  But we don't know, this is the problem.
• 1:29:23
  We can't see into that sauce. So, Multiverse theory that
• 1:29:28
  there's a lot of stuff out there.
• 1:29:30
  M-theory membrane theory is also a thing.
• 1:29:34
  There's a lot of different, you know, theories that we're
• 1:29:36
  currently. Are there really hypotheses that
• 1:29:38
  are currently playing with to find out what where the universe
• 1:29:43
  came from and what's outside of the universe if outside is even
• 1:29:48
  a concept. Well, I understand, Mark, that
• 1:29:52
  Yankee history on YouTube, have their own different
• 1:29:54
  interpretation of what the big bang.
• 1:29:57
  But if you guys don't mind this is from NASA themself.
• 1:30:00
  This is their website right here.
• 1:30:02
  Sure. See the big bang is how
• 1:30:04
  astronomers explain the way the universe began.
• 1:30:07
  It is the idea that the Universe began as just a single point,
• 1:30:11
  then expanded and struts to grow, as large as is well during
• 1:30:15
  the stretching or expansion process, the nature came into
• 1:30:20
  existence in space and time now because there was a moment in
• 1:30:24
  this where nature did not, It exists that it actually had to
• 1:30:28
  go through this process to be defined as universe.
• 1:30:32
  That means that there was no laws of nature, therefore, by
• 1:30:36
  definition Supernatural, Does this make sense ptor?
• 1:30:41
  See over there? Hope I'm not putting you to
• 1:30:42
  sleep, brother. I'm fine.
• 1:30:45
  I'm just typing out a message to someone but yeah, yeah, just
• 1:30:50
  because we don't understand what speed.
• 1:30:52
  It doesn't mean it's not natural.
• 1:30:54
  No, were in there. Did they say that the Big Bang
• 1:30:56
  Wasn't There Was An Origin point that was not natural or was not
• 1:31:00
  according to the laws of nature. I think you're sort of reading
• 1:31:04
  that into it, and that's not what it says, sort of.
• 1:31:09
  He is kind of reading into it a little bit but that's because
• 1:31:13
  the Big Bang Theory as you've described it.
• 1:31:15
  Much like Evolution only describes what happens.
• 1:31:18
  After a certain point, Evolution at least in the biological
• 1:31:22
  sense, only describes, what happens after that.
• 1:31:25
  First wife comes in to rise. That's and then, as you're
• 1:31:28
  saying, Big Bang, cosmology is what describes its describes,
• 1:31:32
  what happened after that, Singularity came into existence
• 1:31:36
  and correct. Yeah, right after it exploded.
• 1:31:39
  It basically looks bloated is a bad term at it.
• 1:31:42
  It's back a rapidly rapidly expanded or scratch rapid
• 1:31:46
  expansion. Yeah.
• 1:31:48
  So it only describes what happened after that point, but
• 1:31:51
  the issue that Brett's referring to is the origin of that point
• 1:31:55
  even existing in the first place.
• 1:31:57
  And that's the part where I think you're saying we don't
• 1:31:59
  know. There's another thing too.
• 1:32:02
  There's another thing here to TT or that, I that I get a chuckle
• 1:32:06
  out of I've heard a lot of non-believers like are All sigh
• 1:32:10
  damn. All this where they say no it
• 1:32:12
  was an expansion, it wasn't an explosion but I'm here on the
• 1:32:17
  NASA website the NASA side it says the explosion sounds like
• 1:32:23
  they need an editor according to Mark naivety.
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  Yeah well I mean from from my understanding it was a rapid
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  expansion sort of saw an explosion has a number of things
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  where it suggests that there's there's Sort of matter, being
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  thrown out kind of thing. It's just a less precise way of
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  doing it. Perhaps they wrote it that way.
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  So, people would understand sort of because a rapid expansion
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  doesn't really give you the scope of how fast it's
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  expanding. Like at the speed of light like
• 1:32:57
  300,000 meters per second kind of roughly.
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  So they may have written it that way to appeal to, you know,
• 1:33:05
  people's understanding of commonplace things.
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  If you say a rapid expansion sauce, it like somebody blowing
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  up a balloon. No, no way.
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  Faster than that. Like incredible faster than
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  that. Well, fair enough know, you do
• 1:33:19
  obviously realize everybody that whenever they said that this
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  happened, not only did it create this expansion, but it was also
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  unbelievably hot and this is where things started to cool
• 1:33:31
  down in the universe and do all this.
• 1:33:34
  So, we've got set, extremely hot elements.
• 1:33:37
  So it makes sense that they would use words like explosion.
• 1:33:41
  It's only the only people that I have noticed.
• 1:33:44
  A seem to have an issue with that word explosion.
• 1:33:47
  Are some of the top atheist out there on YouTube?
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  Well, I mean cosmologists sort of pointed out, as well.
• 1:33:55
  I'm sure Neil deGrasse Tyson pointed it out.
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  At one point that it is a rapid expansion and not really an
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  explosion. I'm sure he pointed out, but, I
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  mean, I could find you some, some other sort of cosmologists
• 1:34:09
  who would sort of say the same thing.
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  I mean, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I guess.
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  But, you know, I think that explosion shh, Just sort of a
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  destructive kind of thing where it wasn't destructive, it wasn't
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  sort of matter, being a ejected, like, a bomb explodes, you know,
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  it's basically destroys the whole lot of things by ejecting
• 1:34:30
  matter, you know, our into the, to the world and you know, that
• 1:34:36
  will destroy stuff by impact. I think that that's, I mean, you
• 1:34:40
  could say that you could say it's an explosion, but you'd be
• 1:34:43
  using a sort of word that I'm not 100% sure.
• 1:34:47
  It would be accurate, but let me see what I can find for you.
• 1:34:50
  So, while he's doing that, I just like to point out to Peter
• 1:34:53
  here, that Brett does not need to go to Kent hovind or a
• 1:34:57
  physicist, to understand the Big Bang cosmology concept.
• 1:35:01
  He just needs the internet and Wikipedia.
• 1:35:04
  Yeah. I mean, it's the informations
• 1:35:06
  all out through this, thousands of documentation.
• 1:35:09
  This isn't like, you know, some kind of complicated deal here.
• 1:35:13
  They, they pretty much simplify it for you even for a Year old
• 1:35:17
  to build understand because they believe the universe had a
• 1:35:20
  beginning and that nature came into existence in the laws.
• 1:35:24
  And before that there was no laws because what there was no
• 1:35:27
  nature, so natural, I think you're right.
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  I think one thing by the way. Hello.
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  Everybody? How's everybody doing?
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  Hey, hello, everybody's doing all right?
• 1:35:41
  Yeah, yeah, that's good to hear. I'm doing.
• 1:35:45
  Okay, I'm doing okay, thank you. I just wanted to say, I think
• 1:35:48
  one thing, everybody can agree at least come to a commonality
• 1:35:52
  whether you believe in God or not, is the fact that we've made
• 1:35:55
  such incredible strides, in understanding the universe
• 1:35:58
  around us and how it actually understand actually.
• 1:36:01
  Works and functions and how all of those different functions
• 1:36:05
  group together and interact with one another even within the last
• 1:36:08
  hundred years, we've made such incredible strides towards that
• 1:36:12
  understanding. And I think that either
• 1:36:15
  believing in God or not, that's still facilitates a better
• 1:36:20
  understanding of whether it be creation, or cosmology or
• 1:36:24
  anything in between How the Universe came about, the beauty
• 1:36:28
  within it. I think that it's important for
• 1:36:31
  everybody to have Better understanding of that.
• 1:36:33
  I do agree that it is true. That there's been a lot of
• 1:36:37
  advancements made in the understanding of how this
• 1:36:40
  reality works when we observe it in action, where the
• 1:36:44
  disagreements come in is, how to interpret that and that's where
• 1:36:47
  worldviews kitchen your beliefs, your presuppositions, I guess,
• 1:36:52
  for lack of a better word. Your faith that influences how
• 1:36:57
  you interpret. Anything.
• 1:36:58
  I hate to, I hate to quote them. Because I don't like AIG, but
• 1:37:04
  AIG actually does have it right where they talk about how the
• 1:37:08
  lens that you view the world with determines, how you
• 1:37:11
  interpret the world. Basically, if you see, if you
• 1:37:14
  have a lens that says, a theistic Evolution, that's what
• 1:37:17
  you're going to see when you look at the world.
• 1:37:19
  If you have a lens that says you know, biblical creation you wear
• 1:37:22
  that when you observe the world, that's what you're going to see.
• 1:37:25
  So you can do, our one is going to get water water views on that
• 1:37:30
  explains the Susan, worldviews and how people interpret data,
• 1:37:34
  even though we're all looking at the same thing we'll ever, you
• 1:37:37
  are what a juror. What are your thoughts on that?
• 1:37:39
  The claim that everybody's been talking about lately?
• 1:37:42
  That's been real exciting where they're stating that rocks
• 1:37:47
  according to these different science websites.
• 1:37:49
  And for some reason and unbelievers don't like to get
• 1:37:52
  into a discussion about it. But they're stating that some
• 1:37:56
  kind of minerals and chemicals came out of a granite rock and
• 1:38:00
  that's how evolution. Started now it used to be event
• 1:38:04
  and waves. That used to be primordial ooze
• 1:38:07
  and now it's walk rocks that. Isn't that good?
• 1:38:12
  Yeah, that's like my Genesis. If I just could I just want to
• 1:38:15
  want to sort of push back against that idea.
• 1:38:17
  That evolution is atheistic. It's not.
• 1:38:19
  It's a, there's a, there's many people who are Christians,
• 1:38:24
  Muslims, Buddhists all kinds of different faiths doing work on
• 1:38:29
  evolution. In fact.
• 1:38:31
  Largest denomination of Christianity, the Catholic
• 1:38:34
  Church accepts evolution in, its sure.
• 1:38:37
  Yeah, I have a Catholic in my life room earlier who was
• 1:38:41
  pushing and endorsing for evolution only took about two or
• 1:38:45
  three questions of get him to finally, admit that he doesn't
• 1:38:48
  even really know what he's talking about on it.
• 1:38:51
  Well, that aside there's people like Francis Collins for
• 1:38:54
  instance who used to head up the Human Genome Project and he was
• 1:38:57
  a very varied about devout Christian and and he He sort of,
• 1:39:02
  you know, absolutely acknowledge the the the truth of evolution
• 1:39:07
  and sort of, you know, he'd been doing the Human Genome Project
• 1:39:11
  so that it's not just just an atheistic thing.
• 1:39:15
  I'm sorry, I really got to push back on that because it isn't
• 1:39:18
  just an atheistic thing. It's a, it's a scientific thing
• 1:39:22
  and and tons of people involved in science of all different
• 1:39:25
  religions. So it cannot be an atheistic
• 1:39:27
  thing. It just isn't.
• 1:39:28
  Why is really just folks? So though go along With that, go
• 1:39:32
  ahead ptor. And then I'll know is I was just
• 1:39:34
  going to say yes there's a lot of Christians that believe in
• 1:39:38
  evolution billions of years, and big bang cosmology, but Biblical
• 1:39:42
  history and church. History shows that there have
• 1:39:44
  been Christians compromising on what the Bible teaches
• 1:39:47
  throughout its entire existence. So it's not really that big of a
• 1:39:51
  surprise to me that there would be Christians out there.
• 1:39:54
  Who believe and teach things that are contrary to the
• 1:39:57
  scriptures, they claim to believe it's been happening, all
• 1:40:00
  of history. It's like Michael Phelps agree
• 1:40:03
  with scientific evidence. Which one do you believe First?
• 1:40:06
  Like if you've got irrefutable scientific evidence and they
• 1:40:09
  clearly conflict with what the scriptures say, which one do you
• 1:40:16
  believe? Now, I don't think I will ever
• 1:40:20
  come to this point because I don't think there's anything in
• 1:40:23
  reality that can support evolution due to the fact that
• 1:40:26
  it takes way too long to even be recorded or experimented on to
• 1:40:30
  verify. It's a Actually occurring
• 1:40:32
  process, but in your hypothetical scenario, I would
• 1:40:36
  have to go with what's observable and proven to be
• 1:40:38
  true. All right.
• 1:40:41
  Okay. Do you market?
• 1:40:43
  And you believe that it's objectively.
• 1:40:45
  True that humans evolved from rocks.
• 1:40:52
  So, evolved from Bronx is sort of a straw man of the
• 1:40:55
  abiogenesis position. I can't say that I believe in a
• 1:40:58
  bar, Genesis is a hypothesis at this point.
• 1:41:02
  I don't know where life came from.
• 1:41:06
  If you're saying, do I believe in evolution that Evolution
• 1:41:08
  explains the biodiversity of Life then.
• 1:41:11
  Yes. Absolutely.
• 1:41:12
  There's overwhelming evidence for it and I like talking about
• 1:41:16
  Evolution. I'm happy to go into it with you
• 1:41:19
  guys. So what what evidence do we have
• 1:41:21
  that? Yeah, Mommy coming from rocks.
• 1:41:25
  Okay, so I can man coming from rocks is a strawman position of
• 1:41:31
  the abiogenesis position. It's basically men came from
• 1:41:34
  chemicals and chemical biochemical reactions.
• 1:41:37
  Would be a more accurate way to say it, if you At all interested
• 1:41:41
  in accuracy but as I said and I'll repeat myself that I don't
• 1:41:46
  necessarily believe in abiogenesis that could be other
• 1:41:51
  explanations. There's panspermia is an
• 1:41:54
  explanation. There's other explanations of
• 1:41:56
  where humans came from or life came from rather I should say
• 1:42:00
  but yes I do believe in evolution which only explains
• 1:42:04
  the biodiversity of life. It doesn't explain the origin of
• 1:42:07
  life and that's what you've kind of got understand well, Ian
• 1:42:10
  sperm is not much different from the whole Rock concept.
• 1:42:14
  Is it any idea some goo basically was sitting on a rock?
• 1:42:19
  Anyway, just happen to be out in space first and it magically
• 1:42:22
  somehow survived, the impact are Living Earth and then went into
• 1:42:27
  its its self. I don't King.
• 1:42:29
  So not necessarily that is one even necessarily a matter of
• 1:42:34
  your Magic Eye. Yeah, just just one sec.
• 1:42:38
  I'll just address that sorry. I denied.
• 1:42:39
  You can give him go straight after me.
• 1:42:41
  So the other explanations is some kind of intelligent
• 1:42:44
  organism my basically aliens. I don't believe that because
• 1:42:48
  there's no evidence for it but it is all for me Paradise.
• 1:42:52
  Funny Peridot is a game that's again.
• 1:42:54
  Why are you with the word magic? And I'm having fun with it a
• 1:42:57
  little bit. Here is ptor, you've probably
• 1:43:00
  seen a dozen movies or so in your lifetime of what happens
• 1:43:04
  when an asteroid are a rock. Hits the Earth, it's not a
• 1:43:07
  pretty sight. I mean I have happened a depend
• 1:43:10
  upon how big it is it's not so. So they're telling us that
• 1:43:13
  there's this gu about the size of toothpaste sitting on a damn
• 1:43:17
  Rock that's 100 billion times bigger than the goo.
• 1:43:20
  It's going to hit the earth and somehow I managed to survive the
• 1:43:25
  impact and destruction. An apocalyptic elliptic type of
• 1:43:29
  event like this. You see, it has any onion.
• 1:43:32
  One bacteria sitting on sorry. Well,
• 1:43:52
  You're right as well. I mean, we have Myriad different
• 1:43:55
  artifacts of all kinds of meteorites that hit the earth
• 1:43:58
  and have a continuing collection of that, which grows every
• 1:44:01
  single year. And not only that we have
• 1:44:03
  evidence of plenty of life forms, which are extremely
• 1:44:05
  resistant to vacuum like conditions.
• 1:44:08
  Like at the most famous one, obviously being the tardigrade
• 1:44:11
  is able to survive perfectly comfortably in the vacuum of
• 1:44:14
  space for quite extended periods of time.
• 1:44:15
  So I don't necessarily for him. I know you're saying you're
• 1:44:17
  having fun. I know you're saying that you're
• 1:44:19
  having fun with magic Brett and I understand, don't you?
• 1:44:22
  Me wrong. I understand using colorful
• 1:44:23
  language, it's a very fun thing to do in conversation but I
• 1:44:27
  think that it is a very plausible thing if that were to
• 1:44:30
  have happened. But it's just one of countless
• 1:44:32
  other hypotheses that have been proposed as to how life is come
• 1:44:35
  about. I mean, there are other are
• 1:44:37
  other places even Nursery evidence?
• 1:44:41
  No, no, there isn't any evidence.
• 1:44:43
  So earlier gosh, I'm forgetting your name.
• 1:44:48
  You said that you said that you didn't necessarily believe Even
• 1:44:52
  abiogenesis. So that prompted me, that
• 1:44:56
  prompted me to go. Look up the article on
• 1:44:59
  abiogenesis and there are two parts.
• 1:45:02
  In particular, I want to read for our viewing audience,
• 1:45:06
  laughter metal lights. They're actually in my state.
• 1:45:08
  I have seen them that awesome that they're so old, they're
• 1:45:12
  like relics from the past son, a bacteria incredible.
• 1:45:16
  Even if you can. Well, the VOR PTR you mind if I
• 1:45:20
  throw something out there, for some reason, the This is another
• 1:45:23
  thing non-believers don't get and it's going to go great with
• 1:45:26
  what you're doing. How can I do a lot of these kids
• 1:45:28
  don't realize this but abiogenesis is defined as the
• 1:45:33
  original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic
• 1:45:38
  or inanimate substances, so it is actually part of the
• 1:45:42
  evolution process. It's the very origin.
• 1:45:44
  What got it going? So I don't know why anybody who
• 1:45:48
  believes now. Yeah, it says here that they buy
• 1:45:52
  Genesis is not a single event but it's an evolutionary
• 1:45:56
  process. So if to me, if you're going to
• 1:45:59
  believe in evolution, you really should be believing in
• 1:46:02
  abiogenesis as well. Especially when you go to the
• 1:46:05
  section, that talks about the earliest evidence of life and
• 1:46:09
  thus Trumbull lights you were referring to because that's all
• 1:46:12
  part of abiogenesis. I'm going to go get these hair,
• 1:46:16
  maybe fatty water on and I'll rejoin you handsome fellows to
• 1:46:21
  be fair if you want to. Look up a biogenesis in
• 1:46:24
  Wikipedia and say, that's what it is.
• 1:46:26
  Because this is sort of an argument that I've heard from
• 1:46:29
  some something as they sort of go.
• 1:46:31
  Oh, well, there's multiple different types of evolution and
• 1:46:33
  technically that's true, there's Stellar Evolution.
• 1:46:36
  There's there's sort of biological evolution.
• 1:46:39
  There's there's there's a number of different types and you're
• 1:46:43
  sort of using the same argument. When people talk about
• 1:46:45
  Evolution, they're talking about biological evolution in a
• 1:46:49
  colloquial sense. And I understand that there's
• 1:46:51
  other types But when we're talking about Evolution, we're
• 1:46:55
  talking about biological evolution, so Evolution
• 1:46:59
  basically, if you look that up in Wikipedia to be fair, you
• 1:47:02
  looked it up and it says, it was an evolutionary process.
• 1:47:05
  Evolution is the change in heritable characteristics of
• 1:47:08
  biological populations over successive Generations.
• 1:47:11
  That is all that it is, it isn't abiogenesis.
• 1:47:14
  Which is the evolution from sort of bio organic chemicals to some
• 1:47:20
  form of life. So They're clearly
• 1:47:23
  differentiating between the tube.
• 1:47:25
  And when people use evolution in ordinary parlance, they're
• 1:47:29
  talking about biological evolution.
• 1:47:31
  So, this sort of conflating with other types.
• 1:47:34
  I don't think that's very, I'm sorry, I don't think that's very
• 1:47:37
  honest. What I'm confused by as why you
• 1:47:41
  don't seem to be wanting to look at the bigger picture of
• 1:47:44
  bringing it all together. Because if evolution is just
• 1:47:47
  about changes in a population in a biogenesis, Explains where all
• 1:47:53
  those populations even came from in the first place in the
• 1:47:56
  ultimate sense, which apparently the current theory is that
• 1:48:00
  bacteria microbes formed on rocks, near these thermal vents
• 1:48:04
  underneath the ocean in like the always these fossils are from
• 1:48:08
  the Northern Quebec area, I just don't see how we're
• 1:48:11
  misconstruing. Anything when we talk about Ulta
• 1:48:15
  in the ultimate sense, men, do come from rocks, not in the
• 1:48:19
  because that's a very simplified approach that I I know you don't
• 1:48:22
  like but when you look at the bigger more detailed picture,
• 1:48:26
  and you trace the evolution timeline of all organisms, all
• 1:48:29
  the way back, eventually you come to this place where you
• 1:48:33
  see, okay? Well, bacteria, formed on rocks,
• 1:48:36
  near hydrothermal vents underneath, what would be the
• 1:48:39
  ocean? And that's where the first life
• 1:48:42
  came, and then all the evolution took place after that point.
• 1:48:46
  So, I don't know how, I don't know why you're having a problem
• 1:48:50
  with us talking about And we'll act like the Plaid man would
• 1:48:54
  like to address that. First of what will I was going
• 1:48:57
  to say? I don't understand why there's
• 1:48:59
  an issue with that either, that's straight out of the
• 1:49:02
  dictionary. That's not much me and I didn't
• 1:49:04
  just invent it on the draw. It's yeah.
• 1:49:08
  Are on page that he showing as well as the very definition
• 1:49:11
  sell. Something on the dress that too.
• 1:49:14
  So I'd like to just like to address that that that
• 1:49:16
  basically. Yeah it does.
• 1:49:17
  It does interest me. It concerns me.
• 1:49:18
  I think that warm vents is probably the best.
• 1:49:22
  This is as far as I'm aware and I'm not a biologist or a
• 1:49:26
  paleobiologist. So you know I might be wrong but
• 1:49:30
  I have to rely on the scientific Community to provide the
• 1:49:35
  answers. I'm not doing research into
• 1:49:37
  abiogenesis myself, I have to rely on Experts.
• 1:49:41
  So I am interested in it and I am interested in the alternate
• 1:49:45
  alternating hypotheses that people working in a biogenesis
• 1:49:48
  are coming up with but because their Cease and there are
• 1:49:53
  competing hypotheses, like warm vents, like panspermia, like,
• 1:49:58
  like all of these different hypotheses that they have.
• 1:50:02
  I don't know which one is correct.
• 1:50:04
  If any of them because they haven't like, they don't know
• 1:50:09
  themselves. So, how could I possibly as a
• 1:50:12
  layperson go? Will I'm going to decide which
• 1:50:16
  one of these abiogenesis if any are correct.
• 1:50:20
  I would rather Have the position that I don't know, which one is
• 1:50:25
  correct. If any and, and, and be honest
• 1:50:28
  because I don't know enough about chemical interactions and
• 1:50:35
  and paleo biology to unknow. Which one is the correct one.
• 1:50:39
  I'm not just going to, you know, throw my hat into the warm vent
• 1:50:43
  Theory, just because I think it might be the most likely one.
• 1:50:46
  The one that is being supported by a majority at the moment
• 1:50:49
  because until it becomes scientific consensus and Theory.
• 1:50:54
  They're basically saying that they don't know for sure and I
• 1:50:56
  think that's fine, they're still continuing to investigate and it
• 1:50:59
  does concern me absolutely Brett mentioned.
• 1:51:04
  That's the dictionary definition and I guess you've missed my
• 1:51:07
  point. It's just because something
• 1:51:09
  mentions the word Evolution as a descriptor.
• 1:51:12
  Doesn't mean it's referring to biological evolution because
• 1:51:17
  things will say the evolution of our solar system like how a
• 1:51:22
  Isshin discs formed the solar system and Stellar evolution is
• 1:51:25
  a thing. It's just a word, but when we
• 1:51:28
  use the word in common speak, we're talking about biological
• 1:51:32
  evolution. So well that's where I'm still
• 1:51:35
  confused, because, right? If we're talking about
• 1:51:37
  biological evolution, then ultimately on the grand Cosmic
• 1:51:41
  scale of biological evolution, you have all organic life
• 1:51:46
  ultimately originating from bacteria that formed on Rocks
• 1:51:51
  Under the Ocean by Your thermal vents according to the
• 1:51:53
  prevailing current confront, right?
• 1:51:56
  So I don't see how that's not part of biological evolution
• 1:52:00
  because that impression I'm getting from you.
• 1:52:02
  Well evolution by Genesis Isn't So Evolution has met its burden
• 1:52:10
  of proof. It's, you know, you may disagree
• 1:52:12
  but scientifically it has. So it is now Theory by
• 1:52:17
  scientific consensus. It is it is theory abiogenesis.
• 1:52:22
  Isn't. So they do not know how
• 1:52:25
  Evolution Works down to a startling degree, but they don't
• 1:52:30
  seem to know exactly how abiogenesis Works.
• 1:52:33
  They've taken a number of steps like they've got.
• 1:52:36
  I think there's, there's something like a hundred and
• 1:52:39
  twenty seven steps, and they've got 40.
• 1:52:41
  So, I am really struggling to remember but they've got some of
• 1:52:45
  the steps that don't have all of it.
• 1:52:46
  So he landed want to touch on something that Mark mentioned
• 1:52:51
  earlier. Earlier you mentioned that
• 1:52:54
  because you lack in knowledge regarding scientific basically,
• 1:52:59
  biology and you were right to acknowledge.
• 1:53:02
  I think it was a good thing to acknowledge that, you know, you
• 1:53:04
  could be wrong. So could I buy a lot of things?
• 1:53:07
  But sure, I'm just kind of disturbed by the, the general
• 1:53:13
  attitude that you have psychologically that well
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  because I'm not, you know, a super expert on this topic.
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  In the, I haven't degree sense. That somehow You know, I'm not
• 1:53:23
  qualified to talk about these things.
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  Why can't you just look at all the available information that
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  you can that's, you know, simplified enough to understand
• 1:53:31
  in the way, you understand things?
• 1:53:33
  Why can't you just look at that information and come to your own
• 1:53:36
  conclusions? Instead of just trusting the
• 1:53:38
  experts because they came to a consensus.
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  Okay, so I well say that I could not talk about it.
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  I never said that at all so that's the complete
• 1:53:48
  misrepresents representation of my position.
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  I already I said that I don't I don't see enough evidence for me
• 1:53:57
  to support abiogenesis as I know this to be true.
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  However, I do see more than enough evidence overwhelming
• 1:54:05
  evidence for biological evolution if you want to get
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  precise to support that theory, the theory of evolution.
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  So I reserve the right to say that, I don't know if not enough
• 1:54:19
  evidence has been presented to me and not enough.
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  If evidence has been presented to me for abiogenesis, I think
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  it's the most likely but not enough evidence has been
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  presented me. So hey, I know that that I am, I
• 1:54:32
  believe that to be true because as I said that, could be
• 1:54:35
  panspermia. There's a lot of other
• 1:54:37
  hypotheses out there. I reserve the right to say, I
• 1:54:41
  don't know and I don't know why anyone would be uncomfortable
• 1:54:45
  saying, I don't know when they truly don't know II, don't jump
• 1:54:50
  into it, read some stuff and And go.
• 1:54:52
  Well I'm going to pick the best one and believe that.
• 1:54:57
  I think it's okay to say I don't know I think I don't know
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  reappeared. So I agree with you that it's
• 1:55:02
  okay to say that you don't know why you're saying is earlier.
• 1:55:05
  You made it sound like because you weren't a biologist that
• 1:55:11
  basically you were just going to trust whatever they say because
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  you didn't know enough to know if what they're telling you is
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  right or wrong. And that's kind of like my
• 1:55:19
  question is coming from this not because you do.
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  Don't know something or what not it's just why do you feel like
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  you have to defer to them in everything when you could just,
• 1:55:30
  you know, come to your own conclusions?
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  It's not everything. It's the the consensus is made
• 1:55:36
  up of papers that have passed peer-review, right?
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  This process that we have the scientific method.
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  Now, the scientific method is responsible for giving us every
• 1:55:48
  single piece of technology we have today, and most of the
• 1:55:51
  things We know about about everything basically and it's a
• 1:55:55
  very particular process. One that, you know, I had to
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  study in University. It is something that we
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  acknowledge has some flaws especially as far as, you know,
• 1:56:06
  sort of statistical research. Anyway, there's a few flaws, but
• 1:56:10
  it seems to be the best method we have on deciding what is true
• 1:56:15
  and what is not true about reality mostly about physical
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  reality. If you have a better method,
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  Method. That's, that's great but you'd
• 1:56:24
  have to demonstrate it is more reliable than the scientific
• 1:56:27
  method. So I'm more talking about the
• 1:56:30
  scientific process, that produces a scientific consensus
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  than the opinions of the people themselves.
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  Their opinions don't matter. The papers that are supported by
• 1:56:42
  the process do matter. Well, hi would be careful about
• 1:56:46
  that because if you just do a basic Google search about
• 1:56:49
  problems, with peer review, you're going to be busy for Next
• 1:56:52
  20 years. And I know you are what we
• 1:56:55
  better think about this, this and this is he's not confident
• 1:57:01
  about the experts on the abiogenesis, but he's pretty
• 1:57:04
  confident about the evolution. So we can move past if it spins
• 1:57:09
  firm, your aliens dropped us here.
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  We can get right into the evolution at that time.
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  No, no. That's that's misrepresenting
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  me. I've got to push back on that
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  because it's not that I'm not confident in the experts, the
• 1:57:21
  experts themselves. Mmmmm selves say that we haven't
• 1:57:23
  reached a consensus about the origin of life.
• 1:57:26
  So you know, I am confident in the expert, so that's completely
• 1:57:30
  misrepresenting me. It's that they are saying that
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  they're not 100% sure. So nice try, Brett nice try but
• 1:57:39
  misrepresentation so there. The fair enough.
• 1:57:42
  We like about 15 minutes left before we could get out of here
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  and I was going to give Aiden a chance to lead us in a
• 1:57:51
  discussion. Since he hasn't really said much
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  so far. Oh thanks, I appreciate that.
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  I've the only thing I was going to say as far as commenting and
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  what we were going over there talking about rather earlier was
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  that one of the things a lot of people bring up is things like
• 1:58:07
  the miller-urey experiment. The fact that when you have
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  certain simulations, what we believe.
• 1:58:12
  Anyways, to be early Earth conditions simulated that
• 1:58:15
  complex organic molecules can form a biotic Lee, basically
• 1:58:21
  that It doesn't need to necessarily be biological
• 1:58:24
  processes in order to form complex, organic molecules and
• 1:58:27
  that was actually proven even further in the 1970s with the
• 1:58:31
  launching of the Voyager probes. Because although we didn't have
• 1:58:34
  much of a good concept or understanding of what Saturn's
• 1:58:39
  moon. Titan was at that point we were
• 1:58:40
  extremely interested in that because we realize that it was
• 1:58:44
  the only other body in our solar system.
• 1:58:47
  That was a roughly earth-sized object that actually had any
• 1:58:50
  kind of atmosphere that clung to So there was an immediate
• 1:58:53
  Fascination in this body and was actually the reason why the
• 1:58:56
  Voyager 1 spacecraft wasn't targeted towards Pluto.
• 1:58:59
  It could have went towards Pluto and would have actually flown by
• 1:59:02
  in the 80s rather than New Horizons in 2015.
• 1:59:05
  But anyways when we ended up going to see Titan, when Voyager
• 1:59:09
  1 flew by what we saw was an atmosphere that seemed to
• 1:59:13
  contain. Once again, a whole bunch of
• 1:59:15
  these Advanced organic molecules is Advanced hydrocarbons and
• 1:59:19
  surely enough when the Cassini spacecraft visited.
• 1:59:21
  Saturn later on in the 2000's. What we came to realize was that
• 1:59:25
  it wasn't actually even just tighten that had these organic
• 1:59:28
  complex molecules that we could detect.
• 1:59:30
  It was also that moon Enceladus. And in some of this actually has
• 1:59:34
  a leg up on Titan because although tightened does have an
• 1:59:38
  atmosphere and it does have it. Even oceans, work of these
• 1:59:42
  organic molecules propane ethane and the materials with, which
• 1:59:47
  they can With which they can interact with one another and
• 1:59:50
  form an atmosphere. Something we thought that only
• 1:59:52
  organic molecules would be able to form these sorts of things.
• 1:59:55
  But anyways, it's in a very cold environment when the the Huygens
• 2:00:00
  part of the cassini-huygens spacecraft touchdown on Titan.
• 2:00:05
  It was only able to last for a little over an hour before it
• 2:00:07
  just completely froze solid because of how cold it is.
• 2:00:10
  But the difference is that in some of this, the other Moon of
• 2:00:13
  Titan that I referred to a much more closer moving to.
• 2:00:16
  The Titan is also responsible for Earring, but that's because
• 2:00:20
  of its geysers that it has beneath its surface.
• 2:00:23
  It was something the the Voyager spacecraft, never detected on
• 2:00:26
  its Southern face and part of it, the Moon is these gigantic
• 2:00:29
  geysers and when we detect the molecules that come out of these
• 2:00:33
  guys, there's not only are they organic complex molecules come
• 2:00:37
  and out of these guys is they're coming from a warm ocean
• 2:00:39
  environment. So what I'm trying to say here
• 2:00:43
  is this isn't definitive evidence that there's life
• 2:00:45
  elsewhere in the solar system but there are other Iron ments
• 2:00:49
  that are way more likely even than places.
• 2:00:51
  Like Mars, Europa is another great candidate for Jupiter.
• 2:00:53
  That are very good contenders for life outside of our Earth.
• 2:00:57
  And I think if we find life outside of our Earth, I think
• 2:00:59
  that it proves that it's something that is very much.
• 2:01:02
  So something that has to be common throughout the universe
• 2:01:05
  that it has to be, even if it only involves to a very
• 2:01:08
  primitive State before it's cut off by whatever Factor
• 2:01:12
  circumstance, that there probably is going to be a myriad
• 2:01:15
  of Life out there. So, sorry, go ahead.
• 2:01:18
  Well I was going to say TT, you are.
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  I'm going to be getting out of here to get me a good Chinese
• 2:01:22
  dinner with my wife. It was awesome.
• 2:01:25
  The interview that you did with Godless girl.
• 2:01:27
  You did great man. I felt like she did fantastic as
• 2:01:30
  far as the planets and the worlds and all that.
• 2:01:33
  I find it very inconvenient and sad for evolution that it hasn't
• 2:01:37
  been able to produce one single sentient life on any of the
• 2:01:41
  billions of supposed planets that exist are what we've
• 2:01:44
  observed how to become. Well, I was just about to say,
• 2:01:48
  The only things that we've actually been able to bring out
• 2:01:51
  to these environments in the solar system, are things that
• 2:01:54
  are able to detect these things detect these molecules because
• 2:01:57
  of things like radar and sonar and other Imaging devices which
• 2:02:02
  we can read the band width of the image.
• 2:02:04
  As what is it the spectroscopy? Yeah.
• 2:02:06
  Yeah. That's pretty common these
• 2:02:08
  molecules. Yeah.
• 2:02:10
  But come to these things. Yeah, thank you.
• 2:02:12
  Thank you. But we haven't ever had
• 2:02:16
  spacecraft. Go out there that are capable of
• 2:02:18
  Drew. Drilling down into the surface
• 2:02:20
  of Europa for example or going and actually seeing the geysers
• 2:02:23
  of Enceladus and getting a sample of the molecules that are
• 2:02:26
  coming off of it. Now if we ever do get one out
• 2:02:28
  there, I wouldn't be surprised if it does at least prove that
• 2:02:32
  there's even more potential for even more advanced complete
• 2:02:36
  chemical compounds being produced, a biotic lie, if not
• 2:02:40
  life itself. And I think that that's just
• 2:02:43
  another step closer to the big difference.
• 2:02:46
  The chasm at least I've observed in The creation/evolution
• 2:02:49
  debate, which is, we've been able to have all of the
• 2:02:52
  components that can make life that can put life together, but
• 2:02:56
  we've never been able to animate it.
• 2:02:57
  So to speak. We've never been able to make it
• 2:02:59
  so that it can reproduce itself. So that is the point in which
• 2:03:04
  will it really won't even be a matter of debate that life is
• 2:03:07
  going to be something that's able to create itself.
• 2:03:10
  And I'm not saying that as if that's a certainty, it's by no
• 2:03:13
  means a certainty, but I think that that's something that only
• 2:03:16
  time is ultimately going to be able to tell Is it as far as how
• 2:03:20
  we're going to continue on or experimentations and understand
• 2:03:23
  and expand our data that we have available to us and we haven't
• 2:03:27
  even managed to get a probe to the next star.
• 2:03:30
  Much less to the billions of planets that we estimate our out
• 2:03:34
  there. I think that the farthest we've
• 2:03:36
  got is is sort of just outside of the Oort cloud around the
• 2:03:40
  edge of the solar system, kind of thing.
• 2:03:43
  And that's a Voyager 2, is a Voyager 1 or what, you know, I
• 2:03:47
  wish we were as far as the or glad the Oort cloud is actually
• 2:03:50
  something that's not real. One isn't going to reach for a
• 2:03:52
  couple of centuries. It's so far away even though
• 2:03:55
  it's traveling, I think it's like 20 or 30 times faster than
• 2:03:58
  a bullet. But that just proves how immense
• 2:04:01
  our solar system itself is. And I think if our solar system
• 2:04:04
  has so many things that point towards, that give us these
• 2:04:07
  Clues towards how life could potentially emerge in other
• 2:04:10
  parts of the Universe. I think that speaks very
• 2:04:13
  profoundly to How likely it could even potentially be for
• 2:04:17
  these other complexity. Things do Exist Elsewhere.
• 2:04:19
  Sorry, I'll let you go ahead. No, stay.
• 2:04:22
  Yeah, that like the I think and correct me if I'm wrong.
• 2:04:26
  I didn't the the closest star to us is sort of 4.2 light years
• 2:04:31
  away. And if you actually look at the
• 2:04:33
  measurement, it's an unfathomably, long distance away
• 2:04:36
  like just unfathomably, there's no way we can check for life on
• 2:04:43
  billions of planets, much less a planet outside of our solar
• 2:04:47
  system. Like the It's the closest thing
• 2:04:49
  we've been ever be able to even hypothesize with our current
• 2:04:52
  technology to be able to go. And even visit one of these
• 2:04:55
  like, even just to visit Proxima Centauri, which is the star that
• 2:04:58
  you just referenced on, that's four point two light-years away,
• 2:05:01
  which yes, that is indeed how distant it is.
• 2:05:05
  The best thing that we have is a project called breakthrough
• 2:05:08
  starshot. And what breakthrough starshot
• 2:05:10
  is, it's a hypothesis that you could essentially take a very
• 2:05:13
  small space probe, we're talking something that's maybe the size
• 2:05:16
  of like the tip of your thumb. And have it accelerated with
• 2:05:23
  lasers accelerated with this Laser Technology to the point
• 2:05:26
  where it's about we could probably theoretically get it to
• 2:05:29
  about 25 percent. The speed of light with an
• 2:05:32
  immense amount of electricity, we're talking like the yearly
• 2:05:35
  consumption of the entire country of Germany or another
• 2:05:38
  large countries amount of electricity to accelerate just
• 2:05:42
  one of these things towards it. And we wouldn't want to just
• 2:05:45
  accelerate one because all matter of, Between us and that
• 2:05:50
  Stark Edge, destroy it. On the way there.
• 2:05:52
  It's such a small object, we'd want to send a whole bunch of
• 2:05:55
  them in order for that to be a successful Mission.
• 2:05:57
  So although there is feasible for us to maybe one day, get
• 2:06:02
  vague, a vague understanding of these other stars, without
• 2:06:05
  faster-than-light technology. I think that there's going to be
• 2:06:08
  a lot of answers that are going to elude us for many centuries
• 2:06:12
  as far as this is concerned. And that it's certainly not
• 2:06:17
  going to be an answer will Like they ever have in our lifetime,
• 2:06:20
  unfortunately. So as I sit here, listening to
• 2:06:25
  all of this, the only real observation that I can make
• 2:06:30
  definitively is that I hear a lot of, you know, possibly I
• 2:06:34
  believe a lot of hopeful almost seems like wishful thinking on
• 2:06:39
  my side that one day we're going to find things and discover
• 2:06:42
  things that will prove, that naturalistic origins of Life are
• 2:06:47
  real and not just hypothetical. That's right now, you're very
• 2:06:51
  young to be hearing. You're very well, you're very
• 2:06:55
  well capable of interpreting it that way.
• 2:06:58
  I just think that when you look at the available data that's
• 2:07:01
  available to us even in our solar system as I said before, I
• 2:07:04
  think that it is something that is certainly not at all
• 2:07:09
  something that's outside of the realm of possibility.
• 2:07:11
  I don't think maybe it maybe it is wishful thinking to imagine
• 2:07:14
  that there is other life out there but I personally would
• 2:07:18
  find it profoundly sad. If we were the only life It
• 2:07:22
  would never come to exist in such a vast universe that we
• 2:07:25
  were the only specimen such a vast and I apologize for using
• 2:07:30
  the term wishful thinking because it kind of came up - I
• 2:07:33
  was I couldn't think no no that's okay.
• 2:07:37
  Yeah, I think Brett Brett brought up earlier the Fermi
• 2:07:40
  Paradox which is a good very good point that that the chances
• 2:07:44
  of there not being life somewhere else in the universe.
• 2:07:48
  If you look at it scientifically are so small like it's just It
• 2:07:52
  is so big that the chances that we're the only life in the
• 2:07:56
  universe is almost 0 basically but like if there's like a Drake
• 2:08:01
  equation. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 2:08:03
  And and sort of so, so but the chances of one of them becoming
• 2:08:07
  technologically advanced enough to travel technologically
• 2:08:11
  advanced enough to travel to ass because the universe is so vast.
• 2:08:17
  The chances are almost zero. So we wouldn't expect to see
• 2:08:21
  another life. Form.
• 2:08:24
  And I think that is that that's the Paradox essentially.
• 2:08:28
  So, what you're saying, if I'm hearing this right, is that
• 2:08:31
  because the universe is so big that even if there are Advanced
• 2:08:36
  alien civilizations out there of Technology Beyond ours?
• 2:08:39
  The universe is so big that we're just not going to run into
• 2:08:41
  them. Yeah, essentially that's the
• 2:08:44
  Paradox. Yeah.
• 2:08:46
  I'm not very well could be not what I got from the Paradox
• 2:08:49
  Wikipedia page. Basically, the Paradox is from
• 2:08:54
  what I understand. That we don't have any
• 2:08:58
  observable evidence that aliens exist, but because evolution is
• 2:09:03
  true and because the time is true that and because the
• 2:09:07
  universe is so big. It's mathematically impossible
• 2:09:11
  for advanced aliens to not exist or some kind of Alien
• 2:09:16
  civilization alien race to not exist.
• 2:09:19
  Yeah, I think I think it's very. I think the Fermi Paradox is
• 2:09:22
  very often used almost as like a vehicle of frustration for some
• 2:09:28
  people to express that. Okay, well if there's life and
• 2:09:30
  if this universe is so gigantic and we've been able to observe
• 2:09:34
  it as a as much as we have within such a short period of
• 2:09:39
  time. And why haven't we found any
• 2:09:40
  aliens behind the Paradox. Basically is attempting to
• 2:09:43
  answer why we have no observable evidence.
• 2:09:45
  It's of aliens even though according to evolutionary
• 2:09:48
  thinking, they should exist then and we should have seen them by
• 2:09:52
  now. At least some people think.
• 2:09:54
  Yeah. I think that's a very silly
• 2:09:57
  notion though. I think that that's the
• 2:09:58
  equivalent of the know. If you land on a new continent
• 2:10:02
  and you're trying to find some, you're trying to find any kind
• 2:10:06
  of life and you land on the western Sahara and Africa.
• 2:10:10
  And you look around for like, I don't know, you look around for
• 2:10:14
  a couple of feet around you, you Kind of scan the surroundings
• 2:10:17
  around you. You're able to have a basic
• 2:10:19
  understanding of your exact Landing site but you just come
• 2:10:21
  to the conclusion and I haven't found anything yet.
• 2:10:23
  That just must not be anything. I think that just, I think the
• 2:10:27
  fact that we've only been able to observe the universe and any
• 2:10:30
  depth of detail really Beyond just the very basics of what's
• 2:10:35
  around us and what we can directly observe.
• 2:10:37
  I think that to come to the conclusion while they're just
• 2:10:41
  must not be any. I'm not saying that this is what
• 2:10:42
  you're doing, but I'm just saying that for anybody to come
• 2:10:45
  to Conclusion. That there is no other life out
• 2:10:48
  there that there is no other even intelligent life out.
• 2:10:51
  There is a little bit. It's a bit quick.
• 2:10:57
  It's a bit of a very quick conclusion to come to given this
• 2:11:00
  very small amount of data. We have available to us on that.
• 2:11:03
  Well from where go ahead? I want to ask a question.
• 2:11:07
  Are you a young Earth? Creationist.
• 2:11:09
  Absolutely. Do you accept that stars are
• 2:11:13
  sort of 4.6? Light years away from us.
• 2:11:18
  That is being used as a unit of measurement.
• 2:11:21
  Yes. But I know I'm not really a big
• 2:11:24
  fan of the term itself because of how it's used, do you believe
• 2:11:28
  that light can't? Okay.
• 2:11:29
  So do you believe in the variable speed of light?
• 2:11:31
  Then do you think that because we observe these things that are
• 2:11:34
  such a huge measure distance away from us, that there's no
• 2:11:38
  that there's either no correlation between that and
• 2:11:42
  time or that, that time can be distorted.
• 2:11:45
  I didn't. Anyway, sorry, I'm just trying
• 2:11:47
  to understand what you mean by that.
• 2:11:49
  Yeah, I have seen be creationist hypothesis about how time can be
• 2:11:54
  basically manipulated into not being what we see and I have
• 2:11:58
  studied Big Bang cosmology enough to know that at the
• 2:12:03
  beginning of the process. Like when they rapid expansion
• 2:12:06
  first happened until the point where it started to slow down,
• 2:12:10
  but basically the speed of light, during that brief window
• 2:12:13
  of time was much faster than it is today.
• 2:12:16
  And then just like the expansion of the universe.
• 2:12:19
  It started to slow down after a certain point until it gets to
• 2:12:22
  the point where the speed of light is what it is today and
• 2:12:25
  the expansion rate of the universe is what it is today.
• 2:12:28
  That's what I think. I might say the blood was fast,
• 2:12:31
  the big bang, I don't think the speed of light changed.
• 2:12:35
  It's sort of a constant C is a is a constant like the speed of
• 2:12:41
  light in a vacuum. Wasn't it wasn't creationist to
• 2:12:45
  resources. That I read that from, although
• 2:12:47
  I don't remember what it was that I read.
• 2:12:49
  From. Yeah, I think maybe something to
• 2:12:53
  do with it, maybe something to do with space because nothing
• 2:12:58
  according to Einstein, nothing can travel faster than the speed
• 2:13:01
  of light. But aside from that space can
• 2:13:03
  kind of do whatever it wants. Like, so the curvature of space
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  can affect the, the sort of wave at that time elapses.
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  And the way that, but the speed of something I'm really I mean,
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  don't get me wrong, I'm not a, not a physicist either, but as
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  far as, I know the speed of light is in a vacuum, is an
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  absolute constant of see, it's roughly around 300 thousand
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  meters per second. Well, we are running out of
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  time, so I am going to have to cut us off here soon, but you
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  will be sleeves to know that even though I'm a younger fur,
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  that's not a flatter honest with you and I think in progress
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  ctor, maybe one day we'll get you there.
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  There's can treaty. Oh, I don't mean to be
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  insulting. I honestly think that might have
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  about the same evidence for them and I don't mean that an
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  insulting way. That's just, what is the main
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  problem with flat Earth theory today?
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  What is it? There we go.
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  The main reason. I don't believe in Flat Earth.
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  Theory actually has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
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  Although there are problems with what they say regarding that
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  it's actually their denial of outer space.
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  Ace that gives me a problem because the Bible doesn't deny
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  outer spaces. Existence, well, I mean that's
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  not the only problem. Let's face it right, right?
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  But that's the main one that makes me go.
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  Yeah, that's not going to entertain anything else because
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  that's a big problem. Well I guess from my point of
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  view that they both sort of have the same evidence for them
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  because of you know, stuff like radioactive decay and the speed
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  of light hitting us from from other stars and you know, Ice
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  core samples. And all right, this part I did
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  debate recently with tax cut you off a ghost man, but we are
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  fucked so I'm going to let Mark finish it.
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  Is it a quick question? Is it a quick question?
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  Goes men. Yeah.
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  Is it true? I found out I went over here and
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  there's a way around the speed of light by find a way to make
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  the universe move. Instead of you like it.
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  Do spice, can contract and expand changing the travel time.
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  That that something has, however, that would leave some
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  sort of evidence of it doing so. And I'm not even sure how you
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  would do it. Get that that to work for
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  everything is the well, yeah, and gravity is definitely one
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  thing that can befall that that but the speed of light does,
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  like shaky. So with that, we're going to end
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  there. And that is the end of this
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  particular. God TV radio podcast.
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  A stand. If you stuck with us this long,
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  you're a real trooper and if you're watching the replay of
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  this, hopefully you have fun watching the entire thing.
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  And with that, I say peace out everyone by my life I ever been
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  tried.