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9-17-26 Hour 1 - Cowherd Doubles Down on Nix/No extension for Bednar yet/The Jaguars SCORE · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Apparently I was trending yesterday and not for my beautiful
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  Speaker 2: gray hair. Apparently the Bo Nix thing, everybody freaked out
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  Speaker 2: because Colin, you love Bo Nix. And now suddenly you're
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  Speaker 2: saying you don't like Bo Nix. Folks, I never want
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  Speaker 2: to sound like the audience. I want to sound on
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  Speaker 2: this show like what the coaches are saying in their meetings,
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  Speaker 2: what the GMs are talking about in their meetings. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to be a fan, which is I'm loyal
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  Speaker 2: to a confident to an opinion.
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  Speaker 3: I had a year ago.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So, um, let me start here.
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  Speaker 5: Cause I, I want this to apply to all Broncos
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  Speaker 5: fans and their opinions of Bo Nix. And, and as
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  Speaker 5: we head into a, what I think is a crucial
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  Speaker 5: week for them this year, it's what's the number 11%
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  Speaker 5: of teams who start. Oh, and to make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 5: something like that in NFL history.
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  Speaker 6: Um, I remember covering a Cowboys team that started 0-2
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  Speaker 6: and won the Super Bowl, but that's a very rare item.
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  Speaker 3: It's rare.
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  Speaker 5: The whole thing about changing your opinion, and you hear
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  Speaker 5: this a lot in sports, and we've all been accused
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  Speaker 5: of it at some point. I have changed plenty of
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  Speaker 5: opinions in sports and in life when I'm presented with
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  Speaker 5: new evidence. I don't have any problem with somebody being like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I was pro this years ago, and now I'm anti that.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example.
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  Speaker 5: When Ben Simmons first got to the NBA, I was
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  Speaker 5: very intrigued by a 6'10 point guard that could do
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  Speaker 5: a lot of different things that people 6'10 really couldn't do.
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  Speaker 5: Understood that he couldn't shoot, but I was like, he
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  Speaker 5: seems to be getting away with it just fine. And
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  Speaker 5: then I realized, through a lot of evidence being thrust
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  Speaker 5: my way, Ben Simmons.
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  Speaker 3: Ain't that good.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't make that decision after watching two games of him, though.
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  Speaker 3: That decision changed over time.
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  Speaker 5: And the whole thing that I think about with Bo
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  Speaker 5: Nix and where a lot of people in this town
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  Speaker 5: are at with him is if you thought one way
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  Speaker 5: about Bo three months ago before the season started and
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  Speaker 5: your opinion has totally changed now, that.
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  Speaker 3: Just feels quick.
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  Speaker 5: How about you give it a few more games? Just
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  Speaker 5: a few more before we make this decision. It's funny
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  Speaker 5: because I was driving in this morning And I heard
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  Speaker 5: a promo from our show when we talked to Joe
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  Speaker 5: Sackick after the McCarr extension. And Moshe, it was your
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  Speaker 5: question about, was this the easiest negotiation.
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  Speaker 3: You've ever had? And he said, no. McKinnon was just
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  Speaker 3: as easy.
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  Speaker 5: Bo needs to get in a place this year where
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  Speaker 5: that's what the Broncos say.
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  Speaker 6: Where there's no second doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that should be the goal for him.
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  Speaker 5: If he does that, if he plays well enough to
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  Speaker 5: where he goes, I want a contract extension, they go, okay.
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  Speaker 5: That's what you need him to play like. That would
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  Speaker 5: mean that you had a good season, and that would
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  Speaker 5: mean that Bo Nix is worthy of a big-time contract.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess my question to you would be then,
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  Speaker 7: what does that look like? Vic, what does that look like?
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  Speaker 7: What does no-brainer contract extension or new contract look like?
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  Speaker 6: I think your eyes will know it. You will know
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  Speaker 6: it by using your eyes to watch the game and
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  Speaker 6: not relying on stats. If you have to go to
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  Speaker 6: the second level, and pull out stats to support it,
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  Speaker 6: I think you've made a mistake. Do you know what
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  Speaker 6: I mean by that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would also say that most of the guys
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  Speaker 5: that we talk about in that category have the stats
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  Speaker 5: to back it up to.
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  Speaker 6: Understood. Because you see it. You know it by watching it.
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  Speaker 6: And you don't even need the stats. You could go
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  Speaker 6: without the stats. The stats simply support what your eyes see. See,
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  Speaker 6: I think at the base of this is very simple. We,
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  Speaker 6: in this society... and especially in the NFL, we are
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  Speaker 6: made to fall in love with our quarterbacks. It's almost
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  Speaker 6: like a romance that you cannot avoid. You get a quarterback,
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  Speaker 6: you draft him high, he's a first-rounder, and you have
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  Speaker 6: to fall in love with him. It's just the way
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  Speaker 6: it is. Every city has this. You're going to have
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  Speaker 6: the ones that say, don't worry, he'll develop, he's a first-rounder,
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  Speaker 6: he's our quarterback. And I think most of it is
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  Speaker 6: people doubting themselves. And how they look at a player.
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  Speaker 6: You can't help but doubt yourself after Monday night. He
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  Speaker 6: didn't look good. He didn't look good. Now, if he
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  Speaker 6: puts a few of those games together, that doubt turns
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  Speaker 6: into something bigger.
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  Speaker 7: Text to raise is a very good point. He's got
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  Speaker 7: how many starts in the National Football League?
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  Speaker 3: This is from the 8568. Well, this is his third season.
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  Speaker 5: So 17, 17, that's 34, three playoff games, 37.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't play one of those playoff games.
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  Speaker 4: 38 games.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, he's played in three.
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  Speaker 3: He's played in two. He's played in two, you're right,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, two. So 37.
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  Speaker 7: When do you think you're going to know? I think
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  Speaker 7: you should know by now. That's exactly, that's my point
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  Speaker 7: is that when should you know with a quarterback? Going
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  Speaker 7: into his third season, should you know whether or not
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  Speaker 7: it's a no-brainer to give the contract extension?
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. I mean, did the Jags
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  Speaker 3: know with Trevor Lawrence?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: I was just going to say, the Jags, when they
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  Speaker 5: gave him that extension, people were like, man, has he
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  Speaker 5: really earned that? And I think the Jags are in
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  Speaker 5: a place of, well, I don't want to. This is
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  Speaker 5: better than the unknown of what could be afterwards.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but he's kind of given them a payoff, though,
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  Speaker 3: is he not? Yes, he has. I mean, he made
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  Speaker 3: the postseason last year.
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  Speaker 5: The way he's playing now is the best that he's played.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to think, like, great quarterbacks, and I don't
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  Speaker 6: want to put them in the same categories of, the
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  Speaker 6: Elways and the Mannings, because it's just not fair to either.
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  Speaker 6: But when did we know about those quarterbacks? When did
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  Speaker 6: we know?
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  Speaker 3: Immediately. I'll give you another example.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Elway got benched midway through his rookie season.
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  Speaker 3: That was his rookie year, though. Yeah, but you knew, Vic,
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  Speaker 3: you saw all of the, I mean, you saw all
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  Speaker 3: the talent.
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  Speaker 5: How's this for an example, though? Your eyes tell you.
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  Speaker 5: What about Peyton's last quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Drew Brees. You didn't know after three years with Drew
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  Speaker 3: that he was going to be Hall of Fame?
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  Speaker 6: Chargers let him go?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look, to your point, though, most of the time,
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  Speaker 5: by this point, you kind of have a really good
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  Speaker 5: feeling of like, no, we're moving forward with this guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 5: As we sit today, I would be really, really, really
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  Speaker 5: surprised if I got to crystal ball it two years later.
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  Speaker 5: and Bo Nix is no longer the quarterback here, I'd
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  Speaker 5: be really surprised by that.
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  Speaker 7: I would be surprised as well. But, I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 7: he's had– Vic, how many starts did he have in college?
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  Speaker 3: Over 60? That's a lot.
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  Speaker 6: The guy played more college games than anybody.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then he has, you know, nearly 40 starts
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  Speaker 7: in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 3: Where should he be? I mean, he's going to be
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  Speaker 3: entering the later half of his 20s as a pro quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Where should he be?
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  Speaker 5: Here's the counter argument.
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  Speaker 3: And if you don't know, why don't we know? Counter argument.
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  Speaker 5: Would the Broncos have gone any farther last year with
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  Speaker 5: any other quarterback in the league? The answer is no,
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  Speaker 5: because the only thing that stopped them was Bo Nix
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  Speaker 5: getting hurt.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, could any other quarterback
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  Speaker 3: in the league have done better than 14-3?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard to improve on that record. And in
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs, he outplayed Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 3: He did.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. You know, the thing about that position and why,
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  Speaker 6: when you look at it and when you take a
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  Speaker 6: step back, here's the deal. I still believe Bo Nix
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  Speaker 6: and Sean Payton are tied at the hip.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it's a package deal.
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  Speaker 7: I'm still wondering why Cowherd is saying this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: But I really believe that they are... Together in this,
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  Speaker 6: and to go out, think about it for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Think about it.
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  Speaker 6: All right, I know that Sean Payton got a contract extension.
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  Speaker 6: What did he get, a three-year extension? Was that what
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  Speaker 6: it was?
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  Speaker 3: Three years?
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  Speaker 6: I can't remember what extension.
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  Speaker 3: Who are you talking about, sorry?
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  Speaker 6: Sean Payton's contract extension.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was, yes.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say, and now, man, we're talking so far to
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  Speaker 6: left field here, but let's say he gave up on
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  Speaker 6: his quarterback. Let's say midseason, he says, okay, I've seen enough.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know how long it would take to develop
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  Speaker 6: another quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And, again, with the hope that he could be a
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  Speaker 5: quarterback that could have a 14-win season and take it
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  Speaker 5: to an AFC title, like, it's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Now, on that subject. Hold on a second.
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  Speaker 7: You're absolutely correct with what you're saying. But do you
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  Speaker 7: know right now with Bo Nix, if you had to
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  Speaker 7: write the check.
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  Speaker 3: Would you?
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  Speaker 5: What do you mean by... Here's where I'm at with Bo.
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  Speaker 5: At this point, Bo is better than the unknown of
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  Speaker 5: what comes after. I'm in that Trevor Lawrence territory right now.
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  Speaker 5: You just went to the AFC title game. You could
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  Speaker 5: find a quarterback way worse than that.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. Way worse. But again, is he the reason you
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  Speaker 3: went to the AFC title game? Well, he's part of it.
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  Speaker 3: Part of it, yeah. I mean, he's part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he's the reason.
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  Speaker 6: Mojo, would you sign the check right now? $ 50 million?
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  Speaker 3: Do you sign the check or go with the unknown?
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  Speaker 3: Right now. Well, I went with the unknown for a decade,
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  Speaker 3: and it sucked. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Around these parts, it was terrible. We had unknown for
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  Speaker 7: a decade, bro.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go back to all those quarterbacks. Would Flacco have
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  Speaker 5: done what Bo Nix did?
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  Speaker 3: Did last year? Would Teddy?
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  Speaker 5: Would Drew?
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  Speaker 3: Would Simeon? Would Keenum? The answer is no.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think any of those guys do what Bo
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  Speaker 5: Nix did last year. Now, on the subject of Nix
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  Speaker 5: and Payton, Howard continued a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And again.
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  Speaker 5: This is Sean Payton's friend.
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  Speaker 3: They are friends.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't mean that he's speaking for Sean here, but just listen.
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  Speaker 2: So Sean Payton's first year in Denver, they went eight
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  Speaker 2: and nine. They were a bottom five offense. They were
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  Speaker 2: in cap hell. And they'd given up draft capital to
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  Speaker 2: get Russell Wilson. So Sean Payton talked himself into, I
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  Speaker 2: love Bo Nix. He has 61 college starts, two schools,
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  Speaker 2: multiple coordinators. We are closer to his ceiling. He can
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  Speaker 2: help us get out of this rut. Did he think
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  Speaker 2: he was the best quarterback? I don't know. But we
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  Speaker 2: all do this in life. He talked himself into, I
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  Speaker 2: have to win in year two. I can't give up
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  Speaker 2: a fortune to move up and get Drake May. We've
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  Speaker 2: already given out too much in this organization to get
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  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and we're in cap hell. So I got
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  Speaker 2: to get a new quarterback and I can't give up
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  Speaker 2: nine picks to get to the number one or two pick.
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  Speaker 2: So they draft Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 3: He likes him.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think he's settled from the start? Because he
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  Speaker 5: then continues to say this.
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  Speaker 2: Coaches fall out of love overnight with players. Jerry said,
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  Speaker 2: Micah is one of one, a unicorn.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Packers. We got a deal. We all know that
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  Speaker 3: Bo Nix. What are you saying?
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  Speaker 6: Flaw in the argument.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: I watched that whole thing. He has two flaws in
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  Speaker 6: the argument. He's bringing up players that coaches fall out
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  Speaker 6: of love. They fall out of love with those players.
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  Speaker 6: Because the money, it's time to deliver at that moment.
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  Speaker 6: The love affair with Micah ended because of the money.
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  Speaker 6: Not because of the quality of play. It had everything
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  Speaker 6: to do with the money.
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  Speaker 2: True.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I just, to me.
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  Speaker 5: When you talk about Bo Nix after a single game
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  Speaker 5: like this, I'm just somebody being like, can I see
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  Speaker 5: a few more before we entirely change our opinions on
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  Speaker 5: who this guy is? Because when you ask the question
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  Speaker 5: or anybody ask the question of like, what is Bo Nix?
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  Speaker 5: My response is he's a good quarterback. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: anything beyond.
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  Speaker 3: That, but he's good. He's got a floor that is
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  Speaker 3: way up here.
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  Speaker 6: The beauty of this is every Sunday, we're going to
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  Speaker 6: get another reason to love him or not trust him.
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  Speaker 6: Every Sunday. And we're going to get another one this
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  Speaker 6: Sunday where he's going up against a quarterback who is
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  Speaker 6: playing well, who beat the Broncos pretty well last year.
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  Speaker 6: And we'll know. By Monday morning, we'll have another example
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  Speaker 6: of what we think of Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 7: Did you hear more of what Coward had to say
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  Speaker 7: when he talks about the scouts and so on and
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  Speaker 7: so forth and the ceiling level and.
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  Speaker 6: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?
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  Speaker 7: I don't think he's absolutely wrong there. And so if
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  Speaker 7: his opinion has changed, that's fine. His opinion can change
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  Speaker 7: again back to the positive in eight weeks.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Man, I'm old enough to remember when opinions changed on
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  Speaker 6: Peyton Manning. Hell, I remember Peyton Manning's Super Bowl season
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  Speaker 6: when everybody was ready to give up on him. Ah,
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  Speaker 6: he's too old. The injuries have caught up. Give the
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  Speaker 6: ball to Brock.
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  Speaker 3: Too old. He's done.
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  Speaker 6: And at the end of the season, Peyton Manning waltzes
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  Speaker 6: in and saves the season.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's true. But he was getting old. That's why
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  Speaker 3: he retired.
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  Speaker 7: I understand.
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  Speaker 6: But old to the point where he couldn't play anymore.
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  Speaker 6: He couldn't do the job anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Give it up.
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  Speaker 6: And again, he came in and without him, I don't
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  Speaker 6: think you get through that postseason.
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  Speaker 7: So.
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  Speaker 6: It's a week-to-week league for a reason. It is truly
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  Speaker 6: a week-to-week league. The entire team was ill-prepared for week one.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. The end.
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  Speaker 6: They were ill-prepared for whatever reason. Training camp wasn't physical enough.
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  Speaker 6: The play calling, the transfer of play calling was a
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  Speaker 6: bit off.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: Already in the computer system that way. Hey, a couple
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: things from yesterday. I'm going to go over to training
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: camp today after the show. But you had the coach
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: talk about it. You had Nathan McKinnon talk about it.
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: We had Joe Sackick talk about it. You remember the
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: pushback from some people, especially people outside of Denver, regarding
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: the Kale McCarr contract? Oh, the abs are dumb and
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: all this kind of thing.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: You know, it's funny you said, I don't remember much pushback.
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: I got in some squirrely messes with a couple of
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: people on the old X machine.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I think there's just a few people that were surprised
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: that there's a hockey player making 20 mil a year.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I think that's what it stemmed from.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: Wouldn't believe the amount of guys I'm surprised are getting
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: 13 to 18.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: That's just me.
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: That being said, I mean, Nathan McKinnon, what does he
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: say about Kale McCarran?
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: That he's the best defensive player that's ever existed.
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: And he says he might be the best player in
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: the league. I mean, you don't want to take anything
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: away from himself. He's not going to talk about himself,
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: or certainly Connor McDavid, but he's that good, right? And
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: somebody said, what do you expect them to say? I said, well, yeah,
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: but it's also the truth, okay? So when you talk
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: about the truth and you say the truth, that's good.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: That's a good thing. And that's what Sakic has done,
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: Bednar has done, and McKinnon has done. All true regarding
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: Kale McCarr.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think that there's this huge swath of people
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: that think the Avs are stupid for signing McCarr to
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: that contract.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, if I could just find it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: Moshe, what I'm saying is there's going to be a
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: few dum-dums that are out there that do it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, there are dum-dums out there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think, look, that's no majority opinion. Everybody,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: I think, looks at that and goes, well, he's Kale McCarr.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Whatever he wants, he gets.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: This is a dumb conversation. What's the alternative?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: You let him walk.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: That's the dumbest conversation I've heard in my life.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: It's like Jokic.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: He's going to make at some point over $ 75 million
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: a year.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: What's the alternative?
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Here's something else, by the way, in the hockey world.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: And there's some stuff from, from abs training camp. Bednar
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: had a quote yesterday saying, I don't care if I'm
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: considered one of the top coaches in the league or not.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: The only thing I want to make sure of is
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: that our players feel like I'm the right coach for
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: this team.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: And again, it is, I'll keep mentioning this because I
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: do think it's weird. Not that it's unprecedented. It's happened before.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: But it is odd to have a coach going into
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: the final year of his contract without an extension. Like, Moj,
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know how often that happens in hockey. Can't
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: be a lot, though. But I think it stresses the
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: importance of, like, this has got to be a big year. Like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: you've got to capitalize on your opportunities. Something else around
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: the hockey world while we're on the subject. The Winnipeg
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Jets announced yesterday they suspended Hellebuck. for failure to report
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: to training camp? What does that mean, Moj?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: He wants out.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Well, I know he wants out, but what does suspended mean?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: He's not there.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: I guess maybe they don't have to pay him if
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: he's not there. Oh, like conduct detrimental thing?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it would be. I got you. He
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to be there. They are, I'm sure, seeking out.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: It just felt like a you can't fire me, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: quit thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: I'm sure they're seeking out a deal at some point,
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: but nothing has been to their satisfaction yet.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: That's pretty rare in hockey, isn't it, Moshe? This doesn't
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: happen all too often.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Not very often, no. Not very often.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, Dylan Larkin played this game, and he's like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: I'll show up to camp.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: And now he's hurt, by the way. He got injured already. Oh, see,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that's the way to do it. I'll show up to camp.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Ow.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's a good workaround, isn't it?
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: I saw a meme yesterday where it said, the next
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: GM of the Detroit Red Wings, and it was Tonya Harding.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: You know, talking about Larkin, right?
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: I thought that was kind of humorous. But there's really,
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: when you talk about the abs, and he talked about.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: did.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: Bednar maybe different emphasis this year, you know? What, are
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: you thinking about Tonya Harding already?
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: No, I'm just thinking about the idea of a guy
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: wants to hold out a camp but still gets paid,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: so he shows up to camp and goes, sorry, my–
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: My back.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: My flux capacitor ain't fluxing. Sorry about that. My hair hurts. Yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: But he said he'll approach things differently this year with
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: his team and so on and so forth. But you
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: talked about going into the last year.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It's well known the.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: Players like him. The players want him as their coach.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: He wants to be their coach. I don't think this
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: is really a– it's not a– It's not a freak-out situation.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: It might be a bit odd, but I don't think
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: anybody's concerned about it. When we had Joe Sackick on
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: this very program, he said, I'm not concerned about it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think Jarrett's concerned about it. No concern.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: I think things could change, but right now the focus
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: is on winning the Stanley Cup again.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Well, Texture asked the question, why would we proactively extend
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Bednar before the result of the season?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I understand.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: I'm just telling you that standard sort of operating practice
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: in every professional sports league is your coach typically doesn't
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: go in the last year of his contract.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, hold on a second. Before, I want to challenge
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: something Mojo just said. No one's worried or concerned about it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: Let's be honest here. Jared Bednar's concerned about it. Jared
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Bednar's not waking up and going to work saying, oh,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: here we go, last year. He would like an extension.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: How about this, Mojo? Bo Nix.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Next year, gets his fifth-year option declined, but he's still
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: the starting quarterback of the Broncos with no years after that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Is he nervous about his contract situation? I'm sure he is.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But here's the difference.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: If you've got Joe Blow down the street, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: working at an insurance company, and he gets called in
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: and they.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Say, Joe, we're going to make a change. Okay? Or,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: Well, he doesn't know where he's going to go. He
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: doesn't know what he's going to do. He doesn't have
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: any idea what the next step is.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: What I'm trying to tell you, though— He's not worried about, like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: losing his house, but it is like it's having a
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: prestigious job.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: No, agreed.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: But what I'm saying to you is that in the
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: grand scheme of things, I mean, he wants to coach
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: the Avalanche, and he's been coaching the Avalanche for a
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: decade now. But if they were not to work something
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: out or whatever— Everybody knows that he would have a
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: job within five.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Minutes if he wanted one.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he really wants to stay here.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Well, agreed.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: So when you say there's no concern, there is concern.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, I'm not concerned about it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Why are you wearing your Avs shirt today?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: What do you have again? It's a thing called training camp.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: It's where the players for the Avalanche show up.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: But why are you all dolled up? I mean, you're
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: just going to go watch practice.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: What?
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Why are you all, like, uniformed up? Normally you dress
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: like trash.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I do have shoes and socks on for the first
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: time in a long time. See, here we go. Here
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: we go. They're in.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: And for anybody who's heard this plea before, I'm going
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: to echo my sentiments. There's television Mosher, and then there's
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: radio Mosher. I'm the same guy. Hell, I'll go on
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: a television broadcast and say things that probably shouldn't be
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: said sometimes. And I'll wear the same stuff. You change
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: not only your demeanor, you change your dress code.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: What do you mean, Vic?
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Like, you don't dress the same on radio as you
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: do on TV.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? Yeah, you big flaming dill hole.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't go to a Nuggets practice. By the way,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the key word for this hour is flame.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't, but no, here's the difference. I wouldn't go
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: to a Nuggets practice all dressed up.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Would you wear that t-shirt and hat to a Nuggets practice?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I do it all the time. Okay. Well, I've been
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: instructed by Lee Blair that we're going to be, every
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: day at camp, we're.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: Going to be doing some videos. So, I mean, I'm
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: trying to look presentable for the video.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: You should have started with that. Well, you didn't give
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: me a chance before you jumped down my throat. You're
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: doing television. Hang on a second.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: The Utah Mammoth owner dresses like I do. He's on television.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Am I wrong? That's why, look, I don't like the
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Utah Mammoth.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: But I do have a soft spot by heart for
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: that guy, whatever his name is, because I like that
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: he dresses.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Just like me.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Wait, is he the same guy that owns the Utah Jazz?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he is. Correct.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: He dresses just like I do.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that about him.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: He's worth a little bit more.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Barely.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: And he probably knows the carrier of his auto insurance.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Like I said, Vic, he's just like me.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: He has the ability to hire people that go and
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: do all that work for him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: That's different.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Anyway, did you guys just see some breaking news in
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: the league? So Jimmy Horn Jr. got released by the
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Panthers a couple days ago. You know who picked him up?
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Cleveland.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Back with Shador-ish, if Shador starts.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: I know he fumbled a punt. He muffed a punt
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: in that game Sunday. But is there other reasons why
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Carolina said goodbye?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Cause I thought he played pretty well for them.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: This one sort of surprises me.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Um, so he was a sixth rounder two years ago.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: He had 11 catches for 108 yards last year. It
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: just felt like he was an end of the roster guy.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe they had to make some sort of move. Some
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: guy got hurt, bring somebody up, blah, blah, blah. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: he was the, the casualty of that, I suppose.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Um, what? It's funny.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: Uh, when my, I dropped my phone and put it
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: back up, I put the, uh, the, microphone thing on
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: the text thread to to lee and reicher and yeah
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: and it says did you guys see some breaking news
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: in the league about jimmy horn jr he got released
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: by the panthers a couple of days ago and picked
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: them back up just picked up what we were what
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: i was saying picked up what you were saying yeah
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: it's kind of funny.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Um here's the thing though if i may that's that's
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: neat and i want to say that I don't want
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: to go too far on this thing because I feel
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: like I talk about this.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: A lot, but I got to be honest. I just,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I can't stop. I can't stop talking about it. I'm sorry.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson was asked what he needs to do to
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: make sure that he's the starter for week three.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: No, I think, I think personally, I think all that
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: is for the media. I mean, I think the media
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: has this expectation that I'm supposed to throw 400 yards
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: and five touchdowns every week. So until that happens, I
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: guess it's going to be the same, same situation.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: Again, my job is to make sure I'm operating well
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: so we can try to get a win and keep
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: moving forward from there.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: It's not a media thing. It's not a media thing.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: This is the least self-aware person, I think, that exists
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: in sports. I swear to God. Why are people talking
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: about Deshaun Watson?
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Because he stinks.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: You can't go back to that opening game of the
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: year for them and him be like, what do you mean?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I was awesome. What is he talking about? I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: know what he's talking about. And he doesn't play that often.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: He started 20 games for the Browns in his career.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: 20 games. And he's in his fourth year.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: He has 20 touchdowns. That's not good enough.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Forget not good enough.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: That is horrific. Horrific.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: And I just can't stand when this guy is like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: he's so defiant, like, oh, you guys and your narratives,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: that you're bad?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: That narrative? The one that I see every Sunday when
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: you play?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: That one?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Weird. I don't know.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: Taking shots at Deshaun Watson is almost too easy right now.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: You know where this is headed. So what do you
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: think is going to happen here? You think he's going
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: to turn it around all of a sudden and save
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: the season?
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I'm only bringing this up because just once, I would
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: like Deshaun to say, yeah, I need.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: To be better. Has he ever said, I need to
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: be better? I don't think he has.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: What's crazy, you know, that first year in Houston, he
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: played seven games.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: He got banged up.
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: Then he played 16, 15, and 16. Then he played six.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: Then he played six. Then he played seven. And now
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: he's played one.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: He can't stay on the field. He's got every piece
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: of baggage that comes with him. He's not even remotely
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: close to the player he was the last year in Houston.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Well, and Brett, to your point, Deshaun Watson does seem
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: very uptight when he talks to the media.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: He could stand to loosen up a little bit. Yeah. Okay.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Now he's waiting on that one.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Natalie. Sorry. He just wants the media to massage his
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: ego a little bit.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, geez.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Um, Did you guys see what Liam Cohen was talking
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: about yesterday? You know, the small market thing and the
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: jokes that went back and forth last year.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: He said this about Sean Payton.
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I fully– I talked to Sean at the owner's meetings,
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: and he gave me a little love for it, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: he said, I'm coming for you this year. You know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's great. I mean, it's all in competition,
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: and I've learned so much football from Sean Payton. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: he's allowed me in his building in New Orleans– Um,
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: and got to talk to him a ton. Like when
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: we're at the owner's meetings and you just listen, like
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: you just listen to the stories and a lot of
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: it is, uh, insightful in ways you can learn something
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: from every conversation with him because of the experience.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: This isn't some sort of, I don't know if people
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: were trying to make this to be some sort of
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: rivalry because he made an offhanded comment last year.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Liam Cohen doesn't care.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: No, you know, Sean Payton doesn't care either. Payton is
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: the master crap talker, right? This is what he does.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: He's done it for years. I mean, he's probably impressed
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: by it. Aren't you impressed? I mean, listen, you guys
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: know me. I love to talk it when I'm playing sports.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: I'm impressed when other guys do it. It's impressive to me.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I will say you don't hear it much from a
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: head coach, and that is different.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Coaches usually aren't trash-talking at all.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And I wouldn't even call that trash-talking. He wasn't even trash-talking.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: No, I know. He was just trying to motivate his team.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: He just made up some artificial put-down. And coaches do
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: it all the time.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Tell you what, I think that there's a theme that
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: we're missing that Introductory press conferences are when coaches are
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: first announced. If they do something weird, maybe they're really good.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: So like you had a few years ago, Nick Sirianni.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Or maybe they're not. Well, no, listen. Ask Adam Gase.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Did he do something weird in the opening press conference? Oh, yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the eyeballs.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: But Nick Sirianni, who was first thing about being smart
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: is knowing what to do. Like the whole opening press
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: conference from him, Eagle's been pretty good.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Campbell.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Campbell biting kneecaps, pretty good. Liam Cohen.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Duval.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Pretty damn good coach, dude.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Like, he took over last year, and it's the first
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: time in forever the Jags have been anything.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Anything.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And they continue. Have you seen what they've done, by
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the way?
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Let me give you some numbers from Jacksonville. These are
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: their last few games offensively. So, 34 points against Cleveland
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: in week one. They put up 24 against Buffalo in
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: the wildcard round last year.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: 41, 23, 34, 48, 36, 25, 27, 35, 29, 30.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Good Lord, does that team score.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Hey, Vic, they were coming. Them Jags were coming to
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: the Mile High.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: City, dude.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: I think it's the perfect bounce-back opponent. If you can
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: prove it against a team that blasted you a year ago,
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: a team that's rolling right now, that's a great bounce-back game.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You're coming off an opener where you scored... 10 points.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: 10.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: And you're going to have to probably put up 25. Yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: there's no, and.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: The onus is going to be on the offense. I
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: know everybody's talking about the defense.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: You got to score the ball.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: I want to get to that in just a second. Reminder,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: your keyword for this hour is flame. So text that
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: in your first and last name to 303-504-0925 gives you
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: a chance to win. Opening night tickets to the Av season.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Chad Brown in 20 minutes.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Stick around. I'm going to repeat something that I just
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: said before. It ain't the way you move. The Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: It ain't the way that you move me.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Last, what would this be?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Last 10 games. Hang on. Two, four, six, eight, 10.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Last 12 games. Okay.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Here's what they have scored in their last 12 games.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: 34, 24, 41, 23.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Stop, stop, stop. We got to do this slow. Let
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: me get my calc out.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: Hang on a second here.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: This is important.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: All right, clear.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: 34?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: 34 plus.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: 24.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: 24 plus.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: 41. 41 plus.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: 23.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: 23 plus.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: 34. 34 plus.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: 48.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: 48 plus.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: 36. 36 plus. 25.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: 25 plus.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: 27.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: 27 plus.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: 35.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: 35 plus.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: 29.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: 29 plus.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: 30.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: 30 plus. Equals. What am I listening to? What are
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: these numbers? Divide that by 12. Equals.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: 32.16 points per game, Vic. That's what they've averaged for
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: like a year.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Almost a year.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: 32.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: You're going to have to score on Sunday.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: You're going to have to score.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Bro, bro, bro, can I bro you up real quick, bro?
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Bro.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Are the Broncos going to score 30 points?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Score.
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: Why not?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: They have.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, they can.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: They can.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: They did it in the playoff game. Yeah, they did. Well, okay. Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: because Josh Allen turned the football over five times. That's why.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see how many times they scored 30 points.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Over the last year. So they did it against Josh
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Allen and Buffalo, 33 in that playoff game. The next
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: time they scored 30, they did it against Green Bay.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: They put up 34.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: They put up 44 against Dallas and 33 against New
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: York in a quarter.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: That's true. And that's it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Those are the games they scored over 30. Three games
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: in the regular season.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: So they've done it four times in a year. Correct.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And Jacksonville has averaged that for a year.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Now, you would hope that your defense figures some things
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: out and you don't have to put up 30 points
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: to win this football game. I think, look, I know
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: this is going to be a lot about offenses Sunday.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: A reasonable standard for the defense is you got to
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: keep them at least in the 20s, man.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Like, you got to do that.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: I know the Jags offense is good, but you're supposed
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: to be a top five unit on defense too.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: You should cancel some stuff out here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to put any restrictor plates on what
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: each side has to do. Just win the game, man.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, win the game. Well, Vic, all I'm saying is,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Don't give up 30. That's not that much to ask for.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not asking for the world here.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: That's fine. But if they give up 30, score 31.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: There's scientific proof out there that teams are able to
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: score more points than they give up.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I ain't asking for the world here.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: It's happening. It's happening around the world.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Do you realize that? Around the world? Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, we are so conditioned in this town to,
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: if it's a high scoring game or if there's a
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: big offense coming in, oh my God, the defense better
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: do its part.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: About the offense get off its ass yeah there's I
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: there's there's nothing wrong with that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: I am so tired of every game being predicated on
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: how well the Broncos defense plays yeah it's it's tiring.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: How about score I agree with you you you have.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: You have in your corner a revamped offense you have
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: a veteran offensive line where everybody's signed it's considered one
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: of the best offensive lines in football You've got J.K.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Dobbins back in your backfield. You added a piece to
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: your wide receiving core that is something you haven't had
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: in a while. You have, as your head coach, one
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: of the best play callers in the history of the game,
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: a young, vibrant play caller to his side.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: No free passes. Score 30. How's that? Score 30. I
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: agree with you.
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: You don't think over at Dove Valley right now they
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: know that they've got to score points?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, this whole thing started.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: This segment started with you guys saying, oh, the defense got.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: No, no. You know what?
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: How about the defense show up and say, hey, guys,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: we're going to take this one. You guys go ahead and...
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: We're going to miss tackles like we did last week.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: The segment started with me saying the offense is going
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: to have to score.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: And then I was like, and hopefully the defense can
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: hold them under 30, which I don't think is too
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: much of an ask. That still means the offense needs
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: to do a lot.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: I guess I'm just a little... This defense, albeit it
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: has shown some holes in the run defense, especially if
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: you look at the Broncos run defense over the last
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: few games, going back to the playoffs last year, they
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: have not been good.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: The defense has shown some holes, but by and large,
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: the defense has been superior to the offense over the
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: last two years.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Correct? Correct. Superior. No question.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: It's about time the offense does something. That's all I'm saying.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: You know what's crazy about this Jaguars team? I look
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: at their roster, and they've got some good players. Obviously
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: led by their $ 55 million quarterback. And we know what
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: Parker Washington did last year, running all over the field
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: against the Broncos. But, I mean, Travis Etienne, he just
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: signs a free agent contract with New Orleans, and they
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: just put Tootin in, and all of a sudden he's.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Running the ball too?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: What makes that offense.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: So potent? What is it that makes that offense so good?
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Is it Cohen? Is it Cohen's scheme?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: It certainly changed when he got there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence? I mean, is Lawrence a better quarterback today
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: than he was two years ago?
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: The best version of Trevor Lawrence came when Liam Cohen
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: was hired.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Agreed. Which is what I think they expected with what's-his-face
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: in L.A. Not the Rams, the other team. McDaniel. The frauds. Yeah,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: that didn't happen. But yeah, you're right. I'm looking at them.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: They've got some nice players, but nobody who's like, in
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: my opinion, outside of Lawrence, nobody's like this superstar.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: You know, the more I think about this, you guys
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: got me hot now. And I shouldn't be hot.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: It's just... That's hot.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: The Denver Broncos intercept a pass, Brandon Jones, and returns
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: it inside the five. Basically handing the offense a touchdown.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: There you go. Here's a gift. Our parting gift.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Here's a touchdown.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: And they go backwards.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: The Broncos get a shank in the AFC championship game.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: They start in the 33-yard line, basically gifting you points,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: and they go backwards.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: No more.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: I'm tired of the defense, and I understand the defense
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: played horribly the other night. I mean, missed tackles. But
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: it's being scapegoated at times, and it's not right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is, you know, an example maybe we could
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: bring up is Jokic has one of those games where
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: he goes like 8 of 27 from the floor and
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: just looks off. And it's like, well, Jokic needs to
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: play better. It's like, well, maybe sometimes the other guys
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: can pick it up for him.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Somebody else needs to do something. Maybe sometimes you can
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: pick up.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: The slack and not rely on him to do everything.
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: For you every single night. This is not me glossing
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: or glazing or whatever you want to say to the
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Brett, bring up their scores again, if you would, please.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: You're good at that.
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: Reggie chimes in. Do we forget the Jags play in
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: arguably the worst division in the league? Brett, who do
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: they put these points up against, if you don't mind
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: me asking?
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Tennessee, Indianapolis, Denver, New York, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Arizona, LA, Houston,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: they put up 29 in Vegas. I mean, yeah, it
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: was a whole bunch of, like, probably not great teams.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: What about Buffalo? Buffalo was 24.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, but.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Hang on a second.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: So what?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: So what? It's about executing on offense.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: It's about getting in the end zone. How many of
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: those teams have the Broncos played over the last couple years?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: True.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: You're talking about teams that may be not great. Well,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: you play who's in front of you. You played Vegas
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: last year. You won 10-7.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Reg, what I'm trying to say to you is that
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: they do it against... You played the Jets last year.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: You won 13-11.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they do it against everybody. Good teams and bad teams.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: They do it against everybody. We ain't just cherry-picking the
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: scumbags of the NFL that they're blowing out.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: Brian writes in on the text line, unfortunately the Broncos
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: are built to be special on D in an offense
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: that just manages the game and doesn't commit turnovers. I disagree, Brian.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's year three, you're quarterback. You added a
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: big piece, a big weapon. Your head coach is an
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: offensive coach. He just handed the reins over to an
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: up and everything in this equation. You should be better
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: on that side of the field. I know it's game one.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: I know I'm going to give them grace. But if
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: we're five, six games down the line and we're talking,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: we're still talking about a puttering offense. I start to wonder.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I really do. I'll tell you this much.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: If Davis Webb does not run J.K.
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: Dobbins, I want.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: The Broncos' first drive of this weekend to look exactly
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: like the Chiefs' first drive against the Broncos on Monday.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I want Dobbins to get six carries right off the rip.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And do me a favor.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Don't sub a guy out after a single carry.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Let him get a couple. Get into a rhythm.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: You know who wasn't stepping in for Kenneth Walker every
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: third play was Emmitt Johnson.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Did he get some carries?
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, because that's what a spellback does. But let your
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: guy get into a rhythm. Take a couple of carries
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: in a row. I mean, I watch it over and
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: over again. Dobbins would run a play, and then in
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: would come R.J.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Harvey.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: And I go, let the guy get a little bit
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: of a rhythm going.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: What are we doing? But run the football, please.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: You know, when we talk about at halftime of Monday,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: run-pass ratio was 6-17. That includes a couple of Bo
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Nix runs. Like, you're talking about four runs with your
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: running backs in the first half?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Of a 7-7 football game? I need to see something here.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: The more that you're talking about it, the more my
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: brain is starting to work.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Of what?
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: What are you trying to find?
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm trying to figure out this Jaguars team, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to get a handle on them. I'm trying
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: to get a handle on exactly what the heck they are, man.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: They're a good team with a really good offense.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Very good football team that blew you out last year
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: and have an offense that can put points up.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Do me a favor, if you would, Brett. Go back
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: to the NFL stats from 2025. What was the number
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: one run defense team in the National Football League?
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: It was Jacksonville. Denver was too. It was Jacksonville.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we talked about this last year. Remember we said
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Going into that game, that's going to be a tough defense.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: To run against.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: They gave up 85.6 yards per game on the ground.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: The Broncos at 91.1, and we know how stacked their
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: defense is. Now, you could pass on them a little bit,
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: but they only gave up 218 yards per game. So
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: what I'm trying to tell you is the points they're scoring, Brett,
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: in the last year, let's say it, let's go from
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: week six on last season, which was when they really
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: kind of got it together.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: And combined with that defense, this is not a fluke.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: This is not fluky.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: This is not a team playing a suck hole.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Division all the time, although they do.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: This is a team who on both sides of the
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: ball is pretty damn good.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: When we come back.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Man alive, man.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Because we're up against it. I need to talk about
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: one of the biggest transformations in the history of man.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Would you like to do that with Chad Brown? Oh,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: is he next? Yeah. Damn it. Okay. After Chad Brown.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: At exactly 7, wait, 822, we will talk about one
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: of the greatest transformations in the history of the world.
• 44:36
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• 44:39
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• 44:57
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• 45:00
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• 45:03
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