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Sec. Burgum on the new TR Library in ND, the Endangered Species Act & U.S. energy production · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. Welcome to the new view At show on
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  Speaker 1: this Thursday, which I am beginning with the Secretary of
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  Speaker 1: the Interior for the United States, the Honorable Doug Bergham.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Secretary, Good to see you again. I want to
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  Speaker 1: begin by congratulating you on the opening of the Theodore
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  Speaker 1: Roosevelt Library and Presidential Museum in North Dakota. Big doings
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  Speaker 1: up there. I have not been there yet, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go. It looked like it was extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Hugh.
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  Speaker 3: Great to be with you, and it was a monumental
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  Speaker 3: team effort and a fantastic outcome to create a place
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  Speaker 3: to honor a president who's really transformative. Really fun to
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  Speaker 3: be there with President Trump to cut the ribbon. President Trump,
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  Speaker 3: of course brought with him not only did he arrive
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  Speaker 3: by train President Trump the same way Theodore Roosevelt arrived
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  Speaker 3: in that little town over one hundred and forty years ago.
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  Speaker 3: This was spectacular that President Trump brought with him Theodore
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  Speaker 3: Roosevelt's Medal of Honor from the Roosevelt Room in the
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  Speaker 3: White House to bring it to the library, because the library,
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  Speaker 3: this private foundation that built this incredible project, four hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty million dollar project at the entrance to Theodore
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  Speaker 3: Roosevelt National Park, the only national park of our sixty
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  Speaker 3: three national parks fittingly named after a person versus named
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  Speaker 3: after a place. But this is where Theodore Roosevelt came
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  Speaker 3: after he'd lost tragically lost his wife and his mother
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  Speaker 3: on the same day, hours apart, in the same house
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  Speaker 3: on Valentine's Day in eighteen eighty four, came west, as
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  Speaker 3: you know, after being a sickly asthmatic, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: youngster growing up in New York that they didn't even
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  Speaker 3: think was maybe going to make it to adulthood, and
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  Speaker 3: then reframing himself, transforming himself into the rough and tumble cowboy,
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  Speaker 3: roughrider that went on to win that Medal of honor
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  Speaker 3: and then become president and transform our country. But the
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  Speaker 3: unique thing about delivering the Medal of Honor was assisted
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  Speaker 3: by a Medal of Honor winner who's the head of
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  Speaker 3: the National Medal Honor Society, was that the library had
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  Speaker 3: Theodore Roosevelt Junior's Medal of Honor, one of only two
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  Speaker 3: pairs of father's son Medal of Honor winners in our
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  Speaker 3: country's history, the other being the MacArthur's of Pacific Fame.
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  Speaker 2: But it was fantastic to.
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  Speaker 3: Have the President delivering this and now it's on display
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  Speaker 3: side by side for the first time in history, the
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  Speaker 3: father and son, Theodore Roosevelt.
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  Speaker 2: THEO. Roosevelt Junior's Medal of Honor one of the many.
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  Speaker 3: Highlights of the grand opening, but having President Trump there
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  Speaker 3: to cut the ribbon and deliver a speech to thousands
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  Speaker 3: of people was also historic.
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  Speaker 1: It was a glorious I love the rough writers. I
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  Speaker 1: loved everything about that day. I did not know that
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  Speaker 1: the second Medal of Honor from his son was there.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to the Sun's grave in Normandy, did not
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  Speaker 1: realize that the MH had gone with the President's MIA.
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  Speaker 1: And I also I'm envious, having had a long history
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  Speaker 1: with the Nixon Library. Your AI simulation, Teddy Roosevelt pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Secretary Brigham, well, it is, and this was a vision
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  Speaker 3: that began before AI reached its current capabilities. But the
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  Speaker 3: state of North Dakota, we had been digitizing all of
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  Speaker 3: TR's books.
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  Speaker 2: And his letters.
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  Speaker 3: He wrote more letters than Washington and Jefferson combined. He
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  Speaker 3: wrote more books almost than all the other presidents combined,
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  Speaker 3: forty four books I think total. He wrote almost three
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  Speaker 3: and a half of those while he was in the
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  Speaker 3: bad lands. I mean they talk about Lincoln reading by candlelight.
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  Speaker 3: Roosevelt was spending twelve or fourteen hours a day in
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  Speaker 3: the saddle and then coming back and then writing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: by a lamplight in his cabin that he built so prolific.
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  Speaker 2: All of those digitized words and letters of his were.
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  Speaker 3: Then placed into a large language model, along with all
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  Speaker 3: of his speeches. He was one of the first presidents
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  Speaker 3: We have an actual recording of his speeches.
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  Speaker 2: And we have printed copies. So when you talk to
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  Speaker 2: AI Teddy, he's not going out.
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  Speaker 3: On the Internet and hallucinating, you know, some different version
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  Speaker 3: of himself.
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  Speaker 2: He's actually formulating new thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Based on all the inputs that were his own writings
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  Speaker 3: and speeches that he gave. And so to be standing
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  Speaker 3: next to the President of the United States, the current
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  Speaker 3: one talking to the you know, the forty seventh president
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  Speaker 3: talking to the twenty sixth president about topics.
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  Speaker 2: Like the Panama Canal and when do you wage war?
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  Speaker 2: And piece. You know, that's a moment I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're going to get a lot of visitors in
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  Speaker 1: North Dakota because that just springs off the page and
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  Speaker 1: people are going to change their driving vacations this summer
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  Speaker 1: and every future summer to get to the Theodore Roosevelt
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  Speaker 1: Library and Museum. Let's go to the news, mister Secretary.
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  Speaker 1: The Department is announcing today regulation reform for the Endangered
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  Speaker 1: Species Act, the Act that I have spent almost a
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  Speaker 1: third of my life dealing with as a lawyer, and
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  Speaker 1: so every reform is welcome. What are these reforms going
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  Speaker 1: to do to the threatened species designation?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of things. Following a recent very
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  Speaker 3: i would say fabulous for America changes by the Supreme
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  Speaker 3: Court in terms of giving us the legal authority to
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  Speaker 3: go ahead and get the environmental the Endangered Species Act,
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  Speaker 3: as well as others like NIPA and other things back
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  Speaker 3: into the original intent that Congress intended.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these.
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  Speaker 3: Things may have had good intentions when they're created. You've
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  Speaker 3: got a long history with it, but you saw the
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  Speaker 3: regulatory creep and expansion.
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  Speaker 4: That went way beyond what the original and acting law is.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if we've you know, now making an effort
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  Speaker 4: and announcements coming out today to get these using common sense,
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  Speaker 4: to get these regulations back into something that can support
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  Speaker 4: their original attempt, which is protecting endangered species. They weren't
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  Speaker 4: designed to be a weapon to stop every project ever
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  Speaker 4: built in America.
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  Speaker 2: And and it really.
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  Speaker 3: The weaponization of these rules, you know, created you know
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  Speaker 3: historically bad outcomes. You know, the Mountain Valley Pipeline and
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  Speaker 3: eastern Eastern part of the United States and Natural Gas
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  Speaker 3: Pipeline is one of these things. Originally was about a
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  Speaker 3: three billion dollar project. Because of years of litigation and
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  Speaker 3: the weaponization of ESAU, it's it boiled over to over
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  Speaker 3: nine billion dollars. It took an Act of Congress to
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  Speaker 3: finally get permission to get that thing completed and through
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  Speaker 3: you know, all that extra six billion dollars largely went
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  Speaker 3: into you know, the cost associated with these uh legal
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  Speaker 3: fees and mitigation, if you know, in a different world,
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  Speaker 3: we just said, hey, how about we let these companies,
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  Speaker 3: you know, make the biggest contributions ever to conservation. But
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  Speaker 3: that extra cost overrun then is born by the American people.
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  Speaker 3: It's born by people in their electric bills, it's born
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  Speaker 3: by companies in their production costs at manufacturing. So the
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  Speaker 3: six billion dollar cost of RUND was just to build
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  Speaker 3: the infrastructure initially, but the American people end.
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  Speaker 2: Up paying for that, may end up paying for that.
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  Speaker 3: So common sense means affordability for Americans and we can
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  Speaker 3: still protect the species.
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  Speaker 2: We can do both. But these have become hugh as
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  Speaker 2: you know, these have become.
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  Speaker 3: Huge industries, industries in stopping building stuff in America. And
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  Speaker 3: we've seen those wars wage now against horizontal infrastructure, against
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  Speaker 3: new manufacturing facilities, the manufacturing of artificial intelligence, which we need,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in our national defense and for increasing productivity
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  Speaker 3: and improving our economy, all of these things. We just
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  Speaker 3: it's a thrill to actually see these rules go back in.
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  Speaker 3: On the NEPA stuff which we've are released, we found
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  Speaker 3: about eighty percent of the regulations that had been created
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  Speaker 3: were never part or related to the enacting law. We're
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  Speaker 3: back to that original twenty percent. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: get a permit related to NEPA from the Department of Interior,
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  Speaker 3: you can focus on the twenty percent. That's the actual law.
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  Speaker 3: We put the other eighty percent in a handbook. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't throw it away. This is you know, good reading,
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  Speaker 3: nighttime reading, what everyone good suggestions, you know, and people
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  Speaker 3: can use them if they want, but it's not part
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  Speaker 3: of the law. And if Congress thinks that something in
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  Speaker 3: that eighty percent of regulatory creep a lot to be
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  Speaker 3: part of a law, then they can do what Congress
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  Speaker 3: is supposed to do and they can pass laws enacting
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  Speaker 3: it as a law. As opposed to, you know, letting
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  Speaker 3: unelected bureaucrats drive up the cost of everything in America.
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  Speaker 1: I know you will keep the reform of SA going.
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  Speaker 1: I can prove to anyone who doubts it that the
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  Speaker 1: housing shortage in California is directly related to the Endangered
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  Speaker 1: Species Act. The reason that young people can't buy a
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  Speaker 1: home and there are no apartments. A lot of that
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  Speaker 1: is ESA. The rest of it is NIPA and the
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  Speaker 1: Coastal Commission. But that's for another day. Let me move
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  Speaker 1: on as your secretary. D C is looking great, fabulous
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  Speaker 1: in fact, so kudos to the Department and your various
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  Speaker 1: agencies within the department. Can other cities do that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, President Trump, exactly, thank you, thank you you, And yes,
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  Speaker 3: other cities can. It's a function of leadership, it's a
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  Speaker 3: function of will. And President Trump laid out a vision
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  Speaker 3: for Washington, d C. With his Safe and Beautiful Executive
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  Speaker 3: Order last year, empowering the Department of Interior, the National
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  Speaker 3: Park Service, which is part of our part of our
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  Speaker 3: Department of Interior, and the US Park Police, which is
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  Speaker 3: part of the Department of Interior, to actually go make
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  Speaker 3: DC safe and beautiful. And and you know we have.
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  Speaker 1: We have.
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  Speaker 3: Carefully and without any without ever headline in the Washington Post.
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  Speaker 3: We have removed and helped relocate one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: two homeless encampments that were spread across the city in
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  Speaker 3: this you know, post COVID dystopia that had overtaken our
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  Speaker 3: capital city. We've eliminated over a thousand graffiti sites. We've
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  Speaker 3: restored forty eight different monuments and parks, the Circle Parks,
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  Speaker 3: you know, DuPont Logan, those that were becoming just you know,
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  Speaker 3: burned out places for drug dealers to hang out. We
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  Speaker 3: have got a twenty two fountains back going again that
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  Speaker 3: have never that.
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  Speaker 2: Some of these haven't been running for decades.
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  Speaker 3: When you used to step out of Union Station in
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  Speaker 3: a Columbus Circle, it was a protest encampment, you know,
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  Speaker 3: surrounded by a homeless encampment.
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  Speaker 2: And in the middle of all that was a.
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  Speaker 3: Carrera marble statue from nineteen fourteen or excuse me, nineteen
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  Speaker 3: twelve celebrating you know, Columbus that hadn't been flowing for years.
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  Speaker 3: All of these things now provide a beautiful entrance for
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  Speaker 3: our citizens, for for.
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  Speaker 2: Any visitors coming to our city.
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  Speaker 3: And from a safety standpoint, the US park Police have
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  Speaker 3: been involved in over seven thousand arrests, taking nearly one
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  Speaker 3: thousand legal guns off the market. You know, some of
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  Speaker 3: the folks with the longest rap sheets also now apprehended
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  Speaker 3: because we double the size of the park police who
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  Speaker 3: reinstorted stated their authorities, and so again this is you know,
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  Speaker 3: the US park Police under Biden had been defunded, just
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  Speaker 3: like every other major metro police in a blue metro
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  Speaker 3: around the country. And this is just a blueprint. If
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  Speaker 3: you know, if Chicago or Portland, or San Francisco or
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  Speaker 3: LA or any city said hey, we want to get
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  Speaker 3: cleaned up, we want to clean up our monuments, we
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  Speaker 3: want to clean up and make our city safe again.
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  Speaker 2: President Trump has given them a blueprint.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've lived off and on in DC since nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty one. It's never looked as good never, and so
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  Speaker 1: my hat is off to you. I want to turn
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  Speaker 1: those of the West coast. I hope they take the
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  Speaker 1: blueprint to LA. But the Colorado River has of course
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  Speaker 1: provided water to California forever, and I go there every
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  Speaker 1: I just got back from California. There's a big Colorado
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  Speaker 1: River decision coming out according to the Washington Post today.
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  Speaker 1: What is that about and what's it going to do
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  Speaker 1: to the water that we need throughout the West from
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  Speaker 1: the Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's seven states.
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  Speaker 3: In the West that including California, Arizona, Nevada in the
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  Speaker 3: in the lower basin, along with New Mexico. The upper
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  Speaker 3: basin would be Wyoming, Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: And Utah.
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  Speaker 3: These seven states share this river basin. It was many many,
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  Speaker 3: many many decades ago when there was this Colorado basin. Effectively,
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  Speaker 3: coalition got together and had a sharing agreement that was developed.
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  Speaker 3: It turns out it was developed during a time of
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  Speaker 3: extreme you know, the cycles go by the decades and
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  Speaker 3: when we have wetter decades versus drier decades, and that
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  Speaker 3: was that sharing agreement was created during a very wet decade.
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  Speaker 2: So there is you know, there has been less water
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  Speaker 2: to share.
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  Speaker 3: And of course when you think about the West, you
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  Speaker 3: think about Denver, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Phoenix, all
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  Speaker 3: of you know, in what's going on in southern California,
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  Speaker 3: I mean southern California, I guess now more depopulating than populating.
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  Speaker 3: But we've got some fast growing cities, growing industries, especially
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  Speaker 3: outside of California in these states, and the Colorado River
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  Speaker 3: basin has not only provided for people in the basin,
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  Speaker 3: but there are cities outside the basin, including Denver and
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  Speaker 3: others San Diego, La, that have received a lot of
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  Speaker 3: their water. And so what a complex situation. We've got
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  Speaker 3: some of the biggest dams in America. Hoover Dam is
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  Speaker 3: one of the people would know for sure, but whether
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, Lake Powell, Lake meat huge reservoirs that
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  Speaker 3: were designed operated by the Bureau of Reclamation under Interior.
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  Speaker 3: But we've been working since we got into office last year.
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  Speaker 3: Prior administration had made no progress. A twenty year sharing
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  Speaker 3: agreement was expiring. It expires this fall. We began eighteen
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  Speaker 3: months ago. We've had meetings at least twice a month
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  Speaker 3: with all the water commissioners and the leaders at the state.
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  Speaker 3: Two times we've assembled all seven governors, either in person
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  Speaker 3: or on zoom calls to try to drive this up
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  Speaker 3: to the highest levels of the executive branch in those
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  Speaker 3: states to reach an agreement.
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  Speaker 2: And we're close, but we're not there.
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  Speaker 3: And then this year, of course, we had a low
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  Speaker 3: snowpack in the West, so there's even less water. So
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  Speaker 3: in the absence of an agreement than Department of Interior
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  Speaker 3: has a responsibility under the drought rules to issue operating standards,
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  Speaker 3: and we're planning on We've got those out for comment
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  Speaker 3: right now. Our goal is to get those all signed
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  Speaker 3: on July thirty first, so that whether it's recreational, municipal, industrial, agriculture,
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  Speaker 3: whatever the competing uses are for water in the West,
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  Speaker 3: that they'll know what the releases are and how we're
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  Speaker 3: managing this resource across the West.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll be doing that with a.
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  Speaker 3: Record decision and operating guidelines signed by myself on July
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  Speaker 3: thirty first of this year.
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  Speaker 1: Mister Secretary Governor's kaisekd Wine and future Governor Ramaswami would
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  Speaker 1: shoot me free and bring this up. But the Great
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  Speaker 1: Lakes have got eighty percent of the surface water in
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  Speaker 1: North America. Have we ever thought about a pipeline from
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  Speaker 1: the Great Lakes to the Colorado that would just replenish
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  Speaker 1: the water when we needed it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's been.
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  Speaker 3: Less discussion about that than there's been about a pipeline
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  Speaker 3: from the Missouri system, which you know starts up in
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  Speaker 3: with the Yellowstone River and the Missouri River up in Montana,
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  Speaker 3: and actually the Yellowstone of course coming from Yellowstone National Park.
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  Speaker 3: That those two major rivers that flow then and connect
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  Speaker 3: with the Mississippi have always the Colorado River base has
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  Speaker 3: always had an eye on.
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  Speaker 2: That as tapping into that.
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  Speaker 3: But that that has not you know, made it to
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  Speaker 3: a serious proposal step. Yet I do want to you know,
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  Speaker 3: congratulate all this dates out west. I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 3: states like Arizona and others that are have huge population increases,
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  Speaker 3: but they're using far less water today.
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  Speaker 2: Than they did even twenty or thirty years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Water conservation has been a very successful project.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, you know California, you know, got.
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  Speaker 3: Out of the nuclear power business, got out of the
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  Speaker 3: desalination business. There are some projects there as well that
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're talking about adding water to the system
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  Speaker 3: U which is a smart thing. There may be some
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  Speaker 3: opportunities now with new technologies around de sal and power
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  Speaker 3: generation that.
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  Speaker 2: Could we could find ways. I mean, we will look
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  Speaker 2: out ten or twenty years.
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  Speaker 3: Technology will solve this problem and we'll have more water
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  Speaker 3: in the system.
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  Speaker 2: But for right now, we've got to divide up a
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  Speaker 2: smaller pie.
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  Speaker 1: And that brings me in my last question, mister Secretary. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Ron threatens to target the dece oul plants in the Gulf,
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  Speaker 1: and we have to take that seriously. Becau's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of population depend on that we don't have. Those in
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  Speaker 1: the United States always wonder why. But the price of
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  Speaker 1: oil to even as the war gets hotter, dropped. It's
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  Speaker 1: below seventy nine dollars a barrel, as we taught. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's because our production has increased. Are you using
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  Speaker 1: the defense production? Are you opening up new exploration and
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  Speaker 1: production to offset the strains put on the worldwide oil
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  Speaker 1: supply by the war.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, and I would say again, President Trump doing
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  Speaker 3: a masterful job at managing you know, basically, President Trump
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  Speaker 3: has stopped World War three with the work that he's done, because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, having a terrorist group with a nuclear weapon
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  Speaker 3: is a completely different dynamic than anything we've seen, you know,
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  Speaker 3: since the end of World War Two, because terrorist.
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  Speaker 2: Groups, you know, whether it's a you know.
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  Speaker 3: Nine to eleven attack or all the other attacks that
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  Speaker 3: have been made around the world, we know that if
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  Speaker 3: Terrists have a weapon, they'll use it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a very different situation and the risk of.
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  Speaker 3: A World War three has been dramatically reduced. And so
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: you know, kudos to President Trump on that. But a
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: year eighteen months ago when he got into office, he said,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: we're reversing one hundred percent. We're going to have energy abundance,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: energy dominance, you know, And and we went from having
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: a ban on LNG export facilities in America to now
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: being the largest LNG exporter in the world. We've displaced
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: two thirds of the of Russians sales of natural gas
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: in the Western Europe's which means we've reduced their revenue
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: by two thirds. We've you know, you know that takes
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: away their ability to wage war. And in terms of
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the Defense Production Act, yes, President Trump under the Executive
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Orders specifically gave us those authorities. Chris Wright using his
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: authorities as Secretary of Energy related to uh uh to
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you know, pipelines. And then we've got offshore oil in
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: which is managed by the Department of Interior in California.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, the Santa Inez.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: There's a massive field in California, massive amounts of energy.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: California used to be the number two or three oil
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: producing state in the country. Now they produce one tenth
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: of what my home state of North Dakota does. California
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: just a disaster from energy policy. At the time of
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: this recent breakout of conflict with Iran, California was the
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: one state importing sixty plus percent of their energy from
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: foreign sources. Number one importer in February of twenty twenty
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: six into California Iraq.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: California managed to figure.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Out a way to become the only state in the
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: lower forty eight that was dependent on oil coming out
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: of straight to harr Moves, I mean, it's a when
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: there's abundant energy here in the Lower forty eight, but
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: blocking pipelines, creating rules, shutting down refineries twenty five percent
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: of the refined product in California day.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: So if you're at a pump.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: In California, day, one in four chance that gas you're
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: putting in your car was actually foreign oil refined at
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: a foreign refinery and then shipped across the Pacific.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Ocean to America.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: There is so much for special blends for California. California's
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: got some of the highest emissions content and their fuel
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: because of where they're originating the production from, and it
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: is so this is just a disaster of an energy
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: policy for a state that deserves much better.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And with the Defense.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Production Act ordering the flow of oil coming out of
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: those offshore resources to get those things flowing again, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: of course the natural response from California, they're suing the
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: federal government to try to stop that energy from flowing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I guess when they're suing that, they're basically making a
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: statement that they want to have the highest gas and
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: diesel prices in the country in California, because all their
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: actions would indicate it, and that's the result that they're getting.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Mister Secretary, I can confirm that because I was just
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: there this past weekend. Five and a half bucks a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: higher for Gallon because it's the worst run state. I've
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: lived there a lot of my life. But thank you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: for all the time today we've gone over. I appreciate it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: To Tarry Bergham, and congratulations again on the tr Library
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and Museum, because I know people are going to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: flying into North Dakota. I'm sure they infant structure there
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to greet him. But I appreciate the time today. Thank
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you for it. Elena Zito is America's column this She
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: works for the Washington Post, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Washington Examiner,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: New York Post. And it seems President Trump yesterday when
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: all the defense companies in the world gathered in Pennsylvania,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: President Trump made an appearance and he called out one journalist,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and only one journalist, our own favorite, Selena Zito. So, Selena,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: what happened? Why was the President calling your name and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: having you come up.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: No idea.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: He was listing off sort of the accomplishments that have
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: happened in Pennsylvania since he became president, and he was
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: discussing Ustel and that merger, and then all of a sudden,
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: he name dropped me and I'm in the last seat
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: in the last row of this huge auditorium, right, eighteen
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: hundred people there, mostly like military people, defense contractors, bankers,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: and labor. And he's like, where's Selena and like I'm like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: I'm here, and and he goes, where are you? And
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: I answered, but he couldn't hear me. So he made
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: me come up to the stage, which was like this
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: long walk down a hundred steps, and then he jokes
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: and please don't fall like Joe Biden does, which made
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: everybody laugh. And he just thanked me for my coverage
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: on things in the middle of the country, in particular
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: in Pennsylvania, Ohio.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So did you stumble? Did you trip?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I did not stumble.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Well, is it because you went down at Butler someone
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: jumped on you at Butler that he thinks you're going
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to fall?
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: No, because I broke my leg last year. Oh that's right,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: really yeah, And he knows that, but he didn't He
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: didn't say that part out loud, But I feel like that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Was part of the Joe ok right.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: That was a joke him and I just described it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: People now your wire audience eighteen hundred people, and you
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: have to do the long walk down the aisle with
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: everyone's eyes on you. That has to be both horrific
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and wonderful at the same time.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: I have one word to describe it, and that is grateful.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: I work really hard. I'm certainly not the best in
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: the business. I haven't been around the longest so that
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: I'm getting there because I'm old. But you know, it
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: really work hard in doing what I do. You know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: when I write about coal, I go to a coal
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: mine and I go under a coal mine. If I'm
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: working about steel, I go and spend the day into steel.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Mail and it's one hundred and three degrees.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: And I try when I go and listen to people
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: about their lives. I don't take the interstate, I don't
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: take the turnpike. I take the back roads and really
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: try to get to understand their lots from a very
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: on the ground place. And so to see that it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: appreciated was was.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: You know, when you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Work really hard. When you're a reporter, you're only as
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: good as your last story. And the next day, better
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: do another really good story, right, you better.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Have another byline. If you're a columnist, I hope you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: write a column about getting called out by the president.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'll get inved I get interviewed by Israeli journalists and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they all say, you talked to the president. I said, no,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't. I talked to him once or twice a year.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He called Selena Zito once or twice a month, So
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: don't confuse me with Selena Zito. And they laughed, they
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: don't know that. And they're from Israel, or they're from
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: somewhere else England, and they don't know your work or
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: why you're so central or Pennsylvania. Tell us about this
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: conference yesterday. It got a lot of great press for
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Dave McCormick and for Pennsylvania.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: What was it about at such an incredible conference? And
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I have to make this point.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: It was held that one of the oldest outposts in
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: our country, this was the wild West, the Frontier in
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: seventeen fifty and sho you know that this building is
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: still standing is remarkable.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: That it has gone through all of.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Two hundred and seventy years is a testament to its durability.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: And so to hold it there and a bridge between
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: what was innovative two hundred and seventy years ago and
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: what is innovative and forward looking today was really important.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: It was a gathering of financiers that Jamie Diamond was there.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: There's a whole bunch of people from all over the world.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: That came to this, but also trade unions, robotics act,
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: you know, people from CMU and penn Stay you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: sure showing the innovations that they're doing. But all these
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: defense contractors who are reindustrializing. I'm not just Pennsylvania, but
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: I see it in Ohio and Michigan and West Virginia
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: and and they're they're building out and making our military
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: and taking it to the next level, which involves a
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: lot of you know, I saw a drone flip upside
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: down yesterday.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: There were robots, robots as tiny as a bee and
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: as big as a person all over the place.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: And they really work with our defense and improving our
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: capabilities so that there's less loss of human treasure and
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: that these innovations people are military, not just in terms
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: of strikes with drones, but also just you know, cleaning
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the platform of an air aircraft carrier right, something that
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: is laborist and would cause a you know, a carrier
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: to have bring me brought back to port and it
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: takes about a year to do. They now have robots
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: that do it on site in a matter of weeks.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So Dave McCormick, centator from Pennsylvania put this together. Is
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: it intended to be an annual gathering like the Halifax
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Defense Contractors or the Reagan Library Defense Forum in January February.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It's going to be an annual affair.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, he started last year with the Energy
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Innovation Summit, which was brought in ninety two billion dollars
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: worth of contracts.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Into the state.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: Some of them were announced yesterday had doubled, going from
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: twenty billion to forty billion, and cut in half in
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: terms of time to completion. So I think what's somewhat
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: what McCormick's object is is to place these summits.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Last year was in Pittsburgh.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: This year is in the middle of the state, in
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Cumberland County of Pennsylvania. I think his objective is is
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: to tie these summits and they all all have the
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: same thread of energy and manufacturing, but in with different
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: capabilities in different different kinds of.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: You know, like.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: Defense or or energy or wherever it may be. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: I suspect you will do another one. And when the
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: panel ended yesterday, President Trump, you know, said, whatever you're
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: going to do next.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Year, I'm going to be there.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: And I think what was really great if you had
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Jamie Diamond there and Sean McGarvey and Jamie Dimon pointing
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: the President Trump and think you are rein desolate industrializing.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: You great takeaway. Good for Pennsylvania. I hope they go
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: see Governor Laramaswami and they have one there next year.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, we've got to talk to Selena Zito. Follow
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: her at Selenazito dot com on x It's a reverse
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Zito Selena, give her a follow on next. She is
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the President Taylor journalist and speak too. Matis is the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: cost of the Getting Hammered podcast. He is also the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: culture and arts editor at The Free Beacon, which you
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: ought to be reading every day. Follow vic at Victorino
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Matt It's follow the Free Beacon at Free Beacon on
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: x VIC. I know that you and Mary Katherine Ham
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: on the Getting Hammered podcast covered the Wayward Bison, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you know that there's now bison blowback. Have you heard this?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Some people want to put the bison down.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: No, okay, that's kind of terrible. I mean, this is
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: their turf, and you know, I mean I sort of
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: follow the same policy as my mother in law would say,
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: which is the animals on the outside, and that includes
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: the mice. You can do whatever you want, but as
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: soon as you cross over into our turf, then all
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: bets are off. We are on their turf, right. This
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: is happening in and around Yellowstone Park. So I would
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: say that we're the ones who are kind of getting
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: in their way. Leave that bison alone, but give them
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: lots of space.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Now, Vic, could you know until that video went viral
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that bison could be upset this way?
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: Only vaguely?
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, I have seen as many people have seen
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: the Having Costa movie dances with wolves, and there's you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: he's being charged by I think a buffalo or a bison.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Or what have you.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: And so I mean, in general, I wouldn't go near them,
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: especially things like moose and elk, you know, anything very
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: large antlers. But this poor old guy was pretty far away,
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: and that bison looked like he had him in his sights,
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: So that I found to be very surprising. They're huge
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: and they're very powerful animals, So I'm just very glad
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: for that grandfather that he didn't exactly land on his
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: feet by close enough.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: All right, now, I want to switch over from the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Getting Hammered podcast to the VIC Mattis feet on X
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: your Generation X, and you came up with the very
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: best movie of Generation X as Heartbreak Ridge, to which
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I will now confess I have never seen, not once,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: not for a minute. I don't. I just can't believe
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I missed the best movie of your generation.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Well, actually, Hugh, this is going to be a series
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: of maybe ten or more movies of the best movies
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: of nineteen eighty six, which, again, growing up as a
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: gene X teen, that was the greatest year of movies
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: for me.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: Ever.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: So we had Kyle Smith of the Wall Street Journal,
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: the film critic, as you mentioned, writing about his favorite
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: movie of nineteen eighty six, which is Clintie's towards Heartbreak Ridge.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: For him, that is what summed up life in the
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: military and the turnaround under Ronald Reagan after the terrible
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: years of Carter and the Iranian hostage crisis, and America
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: was back, particularly with the storming and the invasion of Grenada.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: So that is his favorite movie. But I assure you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: There are many other movies from nineties. It's not yours
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: that you no, no, no, you will have seen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: There are other movies. This is just a series.
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: So for example, next Sunday, Christine Rosen is writing about
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: the movie About Last Night with Demi Moore and Rob Low,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: and then we have James Rosen on Blue Velvet, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: then we're gonna have Chris Kallee on Ferris.
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Bueller, Oh, Fris Bruer, and then.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: And don't forget Top Gun and Aliens hand and her
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: sisters stand by me. There are a lot of great
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: movies that year. John Miller on the Name of the Rose.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: It's going to be a very fun end of the
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: summer at the Weekend Beacon.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Sean Connery. I have not thought about the Name of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the Rose in a very long time. Who's going to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: write about the Name of the Rose?
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: John Miller over at Hillsdale College.
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and a writer and podcaster, as you know. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: he's over at Free Expression now and he wrote about this,
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: you know, based on the emberto Echo novel, and he
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: has a lot of great things to say.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: So it's going to be a lot of fun coming up.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You know, A great movie I think is one that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: at least has one scene that sticks in your head.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And Sean Conry flat prostrate before the altar is what
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I remember about the Name of the Rose. Do you
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: remember that scene?
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: Yes? I do, I do. It's a great movie. It's
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: not the most memorable scene for me.
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: I think it's when the young monk played by Christian
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: Slater is seduced by the bye bye bye by the woman.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: I think that was really memorable for me. And of
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: course there's you know, you know, Ron Perlman is in
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: that movie. And it's a great mystery and it's about
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: the keeping of knowledge during the dark ages.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: It's absolutely fascinating.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: All right now, The Fetching Missus Hewitt and I have
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: begun a new series on the recommendation of Mark Choni.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Watched one hour last night, The Lioness. I know I'm
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: two years behind. I know I am. Have you watched it?
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: No, if you're two years behind, that on many many
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: light years behind you, Hugh and the Fetching Missus Hewitt.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I have not seen The lion As.
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: The series that I really want to watch right now
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: everybody seems to be talking about is called Widow's May
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: So that's what I h that's what's in my mind
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: right now. But you'll have to tell me more about
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: the Lioness and I'll be sure to finally tune in.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: All right, now, tell me more about what you thought
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of Jdvan. I've been asked twice today already when I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: think of the Vice President's interview with Joe Rogan. Ay,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I haven't been even able to listen to my regular podcast.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I never listened to Rogan because there's a three hour
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: commitment of time, and so I haven't listened to it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And is to be led by clips because I don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: know if they're authentic and b I don't know if
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they actually captured the three hours. What's your standing position
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: right now on that interview?
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: No?
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: Again, likewise, Hugh, it's a three hour it's a three
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: hour show.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: I've only seen the clips.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: And there's something that we like to call the totality
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: of the person.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think JD. Vance.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: Obviously, the Vice president's a very complicated person. He has very.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: Interesting opinions, some of which I very much agree with
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: and other things I don't agree with as much. You
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: had a terrific review of his book Communion, and I
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: think that's right, and it's coming from It's definitely coming
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: from the heart. This is not a political platform. Here's
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: why I'm running for president. Kind of a book. He's
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: a very interesting he's a very interesting person. I still
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: think he's coming from it from a more Protestant position,
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: coming over and becoming a Catholic. The Catholic converts, to me, Hugh,
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: are very interesting the way they approach.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: The idea of God. I think they think of God
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: as much more merciful than and we do. So I
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: hope he's right, though, I hope he's right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh are you ever right? Especially if you have the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Catechism and you learn the Mass in Latin vic
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, though, I noted in my review
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: for Fox that Cradle Catholics like you and me, we
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: all know converts, and we're inevitably interested in their story, right,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: because they're all very different.
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: That's that's right.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: And it's it's almost like when somebody you know gets
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: called to the priest total to become a you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: a nun, you know, and they actually talk about this
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: moment where they hear a calling. It it's less so
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: as you mentioned, with somebody becoming a Catholic convert. It's
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: it's you know, as I think you say, it's the
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: roadmap to God, or it's a roadmap to finding grace.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: It is interesting. I have to share you really quickly,
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: Hugh though. Andy Ferguson's test.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: The difference between the convert versus the cradle Catholic. If
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: somebody is trying to buy a gift for a kid's confirmation,
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: the convert will say, well, maybe you should buy, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: the Confessions of Saint Augustine or C. S.
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: Lewis's Mere Christianity GK. Chesterday.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: The creative Catholic will say, write a check that's exactly right,
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: and and and they will have a very mundane confirmation name.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: It won't be some obscure saint from the medieval, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: fourteen hundreds. It'll be like Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: because you're picking it in third grade. If you're confirmed,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that's right, I'm Jonesy.
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: So there you go.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Are you John?
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: Exactly?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I'm Matthew, But.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: I mean two out of the four, you know, we
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: but we do have a lot to learn.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: It's so wonderful when you meet these Catholic converts because
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: you know, it's very heartfelt. I mean, we came through
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: it by birth, and then sometimes it just takes us
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: a little more time to fully realize and appreciate what
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: we have going for us.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I think that's one of the things
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: going for communion by the Vice President, Victor Victory O.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Maddis think welcome back America. I'm he a. Josh Koshawers,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: editor in chief of Jewish Insider. Josh, I want to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: begin by asking how many years have you been a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: regular guest on the hu Us Show, would you guess?
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: Boy, a regular guest? I've in fucking years, maybe almost
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: a decade now.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought I was going to say, a decade.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And the reason I ask is very simple. Do you
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: think I've been influenced by the Israeli government to take
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the positions that I've taken for as long as I've
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: known you? Uh No?
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: I mean, well, the great thing I mean, I've been
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: listening to you, Hugh before I was a guest on
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: the show, and you know, one of the refreshing things
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: about the show is like your expertise about national security
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: and the principles that you've always advocated for. So that's
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: you know, your your your views are well grounded and
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: very well informed, and that's why I enjoyed doing the show.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you make of this Israeli influence operations story?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I just don't believe it. I've never met Brad pars Gal,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: who does work for Salem, but he also has got
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: his own company and he's an A far Our registered agent.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know him. I've never talked to him. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: what do you make of these stories? Why do people
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: want to invent conspiracies?
• 38:06
  Speaker 10: Well, look, I mean, from from what I understand, Parscal
• 38:09
  Speaker 10: had a contract with the Israeli government to essentially fight
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: anti Semitism on the online right. So there's a difference.
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: And you're referring to the Vance interview on Joe Rogan.
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: But Vance represented it in the story that he was
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: referencing in Time magazine as it was focused on sort
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: of trying to scuttle the Iranian diplomacy and go against
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: the negotiations of everything I've understood, and I think the
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: Israel embassy put out a statement this week saying that
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: the contract was about dealing with the anti semitism. The
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: extremism that we've talked about on this show, and that
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: many Jews around the world are very concerned about that
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: that's proliferating on the online. Elements of that you see online.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: I don't think it's a large large share of the
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: actual reality, but it's certainly percolated.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And that's what the.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: I've heard Israeli leaders speak to this directly, that the
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: NAWA has spoken to the issue of rising anti Semitism
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: around the world directly, and that's something that's been on
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: the minds of a lot of.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Jews around the world.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: There's really a lot of Israelis, so that I understand
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: that's what the government.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a podcast with an Israeli podcaster today,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a friend of Bethany Mandel's, and Ariel is very interesting
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and what I thought of what the Vice President had
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to say, and I had to say, I don't know
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: because I haven't ever listened to a Joe Rogan show
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and I haven't got three hours in the day with
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: what my life is like. Have you listened to the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: whole thing yet? Because I won't. I don't believe clips
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on X. I just don't believe him.
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: Right, Well, I think vance he speaks very off the cuff.
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: I did watch the extended cuts. I didn't watch all
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: three hours, but I did watch the entire comments made,
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: and I look, I think he made some very sloppy comments.
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: You don't usually see a vice president speak in such
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: an informal way and make a lot of mistakes, frankly,
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: because he wasn't careful with his comments. Now, I think,
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: you know, some of the clip I think are a
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: little bit out of context and maybe a little bit
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: unfair to the vice president. But he certainly said the
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: things that are out there, and he certainly made the allegations,
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: and and and he's getting a lot of blowback for
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: good reason. You look, he said things that sounded a
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: lot about certain advocates in the Israeli governments secretly trying
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: to you know, you know, rally opposition to the administration
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: when it came to negotiations with Iran. That sounds straight
• 40:28
  Speaker 10: out of the Obama playbook. It sounds like stuff I
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: heard from from Ben Rhodes or from Obama himself during
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: the fight for the Rand nuclear deal back in twenty fourteen.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So I mean that it's.
• 40:39
  Speaker 10: Not that his comments are taken out of context, but
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: they're also misrepresentations and and sort of you know, things
• 40:45
  Speaker 10: that he gets wrong because he's speaking so informally to
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: Joe Rogan, you wouldn't see.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's one one.
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: People like the fact that that politicians go or le
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: presidents and leading officials go on that show. But it's
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: it's it's a challenge.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: When you when you I want to ask you about that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to put together a timeline because the Vice
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: President was in the situation room with the President on
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night along with Secretary of State Rubio, Security Defense
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: heg Seth, National Security Advisor Ruby and they were all there,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And so when did he take the Rogan interview?
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: Uh so what yesterday was? I think it was the
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: day before it was released, So I think it was
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: taped the afternoon before it came out. I think it
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: was Tuesday, Tuesday afternoon, if I have my timeline.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Right, I just don't think that's you know, that's what
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: some other people have told me. And I just can't
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: figure it out because they were in the sit room
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday night discussing upping the force against Iran, which,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: by the way, we're doing it again tonight. And we're
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: not doing it with Israel. We're doing it because they're
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: shooting at our ships, our service members, and the cargo
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: on which the world relies. They're not shooting at Israel
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: this time. Why do you think that is Josh.
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: Well, look, we're not We're not in cease our vote anymore.
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: And and and Trump has I think recognized publicly now
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: the folly of some of the promises that the Ranian
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: negotiators made. And look, I think we're we're now potentially
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: heading back to a really sustained period of war against Iran.
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: They clear they clearly m ou is as irrelevant as
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: the paper was written on or the digital document that
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: it was sent on. So yeah, no, I think that
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: they they're getting the message now from that.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: The US I always again will to use I've said
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: from the start the m o U was halftime. But
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I am surprised that Iran came out of the locker room. First.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I thought the president would come out of the locker
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: room after the election, but Iran decided to do this.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Your assessment is this the Mosaic Defense and a few
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: IRGC nutters shooting off missiles or is it the government?
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: I mean, I wish I could feel certain about how
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: the Iranian system is working out post you know, the
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: killing of the Ayatola.
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: You know, I get the sense that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: I mean, what we do know is that whoever was
• 43:09
  Speaker 10: no negotiating with the vice president and Kushner, and you know.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: They didn't really have any standing.
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: Either they were entirely misrepresenting their positions, or they just
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: have no political standing in the Iranian system because clearly
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: they did absolutely nothing, whether it was opening up the
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: straits or a bodying by any of the terms in
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: that agreement.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Last question, President speaking to the country tonight at eight
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: PM about election fraud. That's a very high wall for
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: me to scale, given that I wrote a book about
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: election fraud called If It's not Close, they Can't Shaat,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: which traces the history of machine politic. I still haven't
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: seen any evidence of widespread election fraud that would have
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: turned one state around in twenty twenty, have you, Josh Crossoer.
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: No, and my goodness, we have been courtsilitiga. I mean,
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: I've actually looked at at the evidence and rejected all
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: the claims that have been present ever since then.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And we're also.
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: Looking back with to look backwards at twenty twenty, you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: six years ago and at a time when Americans are
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: worried about the economy and worried about the Middle East
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: and worried about our war with Iran.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: To focus.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: If that is the focus, it sounds like that's exclusively
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: the message that President Trump is going to be presenting tonight.
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: I just think it's a missed opportunity to speak to
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: the country on issues, an issue that I think ur
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: few people are at de patd that you do were
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: caring about.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It may be worse than a mistake. It may be
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in a large blunder because if you're at war with
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: a country, that's what you gotta be focused on. But
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: we'll see President's surprises. He surprised me on Monday, so
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: we'll see. Josh Crosshauer entered in chief of Jewish Insider.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me, Josh. I'll be right back
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in America. Stay here, Welcome back in America. I'm q Hewitt.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Seth Mandel is a senior writer for Commentary Magazine. He's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: also regular guest on The Hugh Hewitt Show and a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: regular participant in the Commentary Magazine podcast. Seth, I have
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: been going back and forth between the coasts. And I've
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: been doing podcasts because of your wife with Israelis today,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: so I've had no chance to listen to the commentary podcast.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: How do you think the war is going?
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: I'm not really sure. I know how the ceasefire is going.
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: The ceasefire isn't going very well, that's clear.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Do you think I talked to the president on Monday.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: He appears to have Pickaxe Mountain in his target, which
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: is what the guy's over at the Foundation for the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Defensive Democracies, Rich Goldberg and Mark Dubos have wanted for
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a long time before anything, another piece deal. I hope
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: he hammers.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: That.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Is that the consensus of commentary?
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: I well, I think, you know, I thought that the
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: Vice president's recent comments made it seem like the administration
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: was backing off from ground troops in almost any capacity.
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: So they can strike Pickaxe Mountain, but I don't know
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: how effective they can be without dedicating ground troops and
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: just trying to read the signals. I'm not sure that
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: they're there, so, but they have to. I mean, the
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: consensus here is basically that they the president has to
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: figure out a clear goal and what will achieve that goal.
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: And do it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Let me talk about the vice break.
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: If you want to go for pick AX, might go
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: for it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think here's every MOLB you've got, and at
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: least shake the centrifuges so they break. But let's talk
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: about the Vice president's interview with Joe Rogan. I have
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: not listened to it. I won't watch the clips because
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I don't trust anything on X so this is rarely podcast.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Ariel. He asked me for my comment.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I said, I haven't listened to him. I have seen
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: not going to comment on clips because I won't watch
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: him because of AI. And it turns out stuff that
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: he didn't cover about who broke the ceasefire was in
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: fact omitted from the clips. Have you watched the whole
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Rogan interview yet?
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: I've watched or read the transcript of the entire interview.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what was confirmed in a.
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: List into half of it and read the con read
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: the transcript for what I didn't listen to.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: You've got more capacity for Rogan than I do, because
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's just not a serious guy. I am
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: very successful, no doubt about that, but he's not well
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: read or serious. I wonder do you think that the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: wave of criticism that hit the Vice president is justified
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: or was it based on the first release of clips
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: that made him sound like he had bought into every
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: conspiracy out there.
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: So I don't know which clips made him sound that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: I didn't focus on the clips either, I went straight
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: for the three hour tour.
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: But I think they're fair.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: I mean, the criticism seems to be fair to me,
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: which is that when he gave longer answers, it didn't
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: seem to help very much. I don't think that there
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: were any single I don't think there were any instances
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: where he would give a SoundBite that sounded bad, but
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: that the expanded version was much better. The general vibe
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: of a Joe Rogan interview is sitting and schmoozing for
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: three hours, and so there isn't any sort of rapid
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: fire question and answer. There were a couple times where
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: Rogan did that and accomplished something and got a clear
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: answer from the Vice president. One of them was Rogan said,
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: do you think that the president would have launched the
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: current war on ran? Setting aside Operation Midnight Hammer, which
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: was last year attacking the nuclear facilities, do you think
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: the president would have launched this war without the without
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: pressure from Israel, and JD. Van said absolutely he would have.
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: So there were a couple times where Rogan was able
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: to get in a clear question and get a clear
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: answer that did kind of debunk what some people are
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: accusing the president of. But most of it in a
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: three hour conversation is really kind of looping around, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: like I said, schmoozing, it's hard to pick out parts.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this as someone unlikely to buy
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Communion his book. I've already bought it, read it, I
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: liked it quite a lot. Did he push his book?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, the all purpose of going on Rogan is
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to push your book. Did he push his book?
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: Not much?
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: I think he closed.
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: I mean my memory is, you know, he said it
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: at the beginning, and Rogan acknowledged that he was on
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: and had this book.
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: And I do remember that at the very end.
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: He said buy the book.
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: I don't.
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: I don't think there was really all that much self
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: promotion on the book.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Oh that's it's such a misopportunit. I'm shameless when it
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: comes to promoting books.
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: And so I thought Rogan has an audience of what
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: you know, ten or eleven million, So you got you
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: gotta take, you gotta product placement. He should be sitting
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: there with the book on over each shoulder, you know.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Now we got to get Noah Rothman on there with
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: button progress and PLoP it down and do that. The
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: other thing I saw corrected today because Carolyn Levitt said
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it too from the podium, is that Iran violated the ceasefire.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: We didn't violate the ceasefire. And apparently the Vice President
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: made that point again. I haven't listened to it. Did
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you hear that? Yeah?
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean there's no, there's no. The Vice President
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: did not necessarily blame anybody besides Iran for actually breaking
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: the ceasefire, but he complained a lot about what he
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: felt were inappropriate influence campaigns from the Israeli government.
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: But the problem is that those two.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: Things are really mutually exclusive, because if Iran broke the ceasefire,
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: then the only way an Israeli influenced campaign could work
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: is if the Israelis hired the IRGC to break the
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: MoU So, I gotta tell you something, you lot to
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: come away with it.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: The influence campaign stuff, I'm being accused of being part
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: of that, and I've had this show for twenty six years.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: We had our twenty sixth anniversary on July tenth, and
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I've always felt the same way about Israel. So if
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: anyone was influencing me, they started in the year two thousand,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: before nine to eleven.
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: I think it's a ludical playing the long game.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are lots of legitimate, long standing pro Israel
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: voices because there are greatest strategic Ally, I'm kind of
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: astonished by the noise out there about this, are you
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: it's almost an anti Israel.
• 51:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I am.
• 51:30
  Speaker 9: Also because the influence, the influence campaign that they're talking
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: about also wasn't actually aims at the MoU from what
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: I understand. He pointed to an article in Time, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: I read the article, and it seems that there were
• 51:43
  Speaker 9: a few influencers who were openly being contracted by the
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: Israeli government, registering with Sarah and everything to try to
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: improve Israel's image in the American public. It was not
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: a campaign to undermine any specific policy of the Trump administration,
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: anything that Vance was working on. It was certainly not
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: They were certainly not contracted by Brad Parscale to go
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: after Vance personally.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So I Also, I've never met Brad Parscal, I've never
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Gough Hewett. About thirty years ago,
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• 55:37
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  Speaker 1: I saw a documentary about a Los Angeles artist and
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  Speaker 1: I was captivated by her work. And I saw that
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  Speaker 1: her gallery was not too far from the casey Et Studios.
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  Speaker 1: So after broadcast one night, I drove over there, took
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  Speaker 1: a look at some of her galleries and said, I
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  Speaker 1: want that one show the picture that has long in
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: our house. Since then, it is by the artist Cynthia
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Saint James. And since then, every now and then Cynthia
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: and I have exchanged a note or a comment, because
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: every time people came into my mouth said, wow, who
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: is that? That's Cynthia, Thanks James. She is a terrific
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: American artist. Now she has a brand new book coming out.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I hold it in my hand. Here is a cover
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: of her latest work. It's called My Multicultural World. And
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Cynthia has entertained and kid's given joy to millions of
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Americans for thirty years. I finally caught up with her
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and persuade her to sit down with me. Cynthia, where
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: do we find you today? And thank you for joining me?
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: What are the bedrooms in my place? Back here?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: It looks gorgeous? Where have you done most of your work, Cynthia?
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: In those thirty years since we picked up your I
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: don't even know what we call that painting that we have.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's a multicultural Los Angeles But do you
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: where have you done your most of your life?
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: We came up with something creativity has no boundaries. I
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: believe something like that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: That's it. So have you spent most of your time
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: in LA or have you been around the world and back?
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: You know what I've been. I've been when I I
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: always felt like I met you, but I never have.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: So I'm very happy right now to be meeting I
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: feel like I'm finally meeting after all these years.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: And thank you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I've been right here. I lived right on Griffith Park Boulevard,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: not far from his studios, but I've been living on
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: those feelis since twenty nine years.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, So I've probably passed your house
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: a thousand.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: Times a lot of places. Yeah, but I've gone to
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of places and got inspired. But I've paid here.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: I paid at home.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I want to show people some pictures of you through
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: the years that comes from your latest book, like My
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Cultural World. That's you, that's you as a little girl,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that's you in young life, midlife, older life. Uh were
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you always an artist? Did you always know you're going
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: to be an artist?
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: You see that little girl? That's when I was five
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: and my family s from New York, and at five
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: is what I declared, and I announced I'm going to
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: be an artist when I grew up. I want to
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: be an artist when I grew up. And I meant it.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: I mean I really meant it. I guess I did.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: And that's what I've been doing.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: You are the second artist I've interviewed, Cynthia in all
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: these years. The first woman is President George W. Bush,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: who took up only painting after Oh yeah. He spends
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of time in the studio and he's had
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: three instructors, so one self taught, but one who started
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: late in life. So, Cynthia, what I want to do
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: is show the audience some of your work and just
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: have you comment on it and tell us about it.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: The first two are paintings of seascapes, no people from
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: a Ruba and it's in your new book. I'm going
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: to tell people how to get the book in the moment,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: what is this and why a Ruba?
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: I have to I have to just say one thing though.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: That's the first one that came out. I'm having one
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: a new one coming out August to first. So oh,
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: that was my first art book and I was so
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: thrilled to put it out and it has sixty five paintings.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: The new one I counted last night it has seventy
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: eight paintings in it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: How many of you paintings have you got over your career?
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: You know what one way I can engage it is
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: that I've done eighteen children's books. And most people don't
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: realize it, but for a picture book for children, the
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: artist is usually painting eighteen to thirty paintings per book.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: So that's that's math I know about because I've never
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: really thought about or never really counted, but I've gotten
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: to the point in my life that I get to
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: paint pretty much every day.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: You know, to Aruba when you do something like the
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Aruba painting. Are you in Aruba when you do this
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: or have you taken pictures?
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: I sold conspiration in Aruba and then I came home.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: I used to do landscapes and sea scapes for before
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: I even put people in them. Yeah, we go to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: day's way back, late seventies eighties.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, So what I'm gonna do now, show you a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: picture and have you comment on it and tell us
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: what we're in your mind and how long it took
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you to do? Throw one out party. We got a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: bunch ah.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: This is a this is a recent one. This is
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: going to be in a new book. That is a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: seawall in Guyana. And the argue with this is that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: I spent time in Guyana when I was about twenty two,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: twenty one, twenty two with a family from Guyana for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Christmas for you know, in Christmas in New Years. And
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: I've never been to a country that was a sea
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: wall that kept the sea from you. And it took
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: all of these years for me to get back to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: and decide I wanted to paint it in my mind,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: and so that's why I decided to make that sky
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: orange and this is sunrise.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: It is beautiful. Cynthia. You recently debuted a painting at
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the Obama Library. How did that come to pass?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: When the the whole thing came up about building the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: whole center in Chicago, I looked into it. I you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: one of the reasons that I've been able to make
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: it as an artist is I always do research and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: what's going on and what I could do and what
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: might be something I could do. So in the very beginning,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: I wanted to donate something to the library, to the museum,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: and I uh, I said, I said it to I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: sent it to them. I sent them the JPEG and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: it was like it was almost like being in a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: beauty contest for some people, only it took the years.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot that goes to if a museum
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: is going to accept a piece of work, they really
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: wanted it, and then the final phase was that they
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: paid for it to be shipped and had another committee
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: look at it so they could see it in person,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: and then and then it took some months after that,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: and then they let me know by letter that that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: they really wanted it in the collection. So that was great.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Now let's go back there looking at paint. What is
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: this one?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Okay? This is called Tibetan Women. I just did a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: series of series on Tibet because I was fascinated and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to do something with it. And it's ironic.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: If you look behind me, there's another Tibetan piece and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: back me in the studio. Yeah, I was intrigued with
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: those grades. That was a challenge, all those bids.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: How long does the painting like that take? There's got
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: to be a lot of layers in that paint.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: Oh did you? How did you know that? Most of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: you don't realize because I paint six to nine coats
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: of paint. That's why it's so bright.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Tough.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: That one probably took a couple of months.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: You work hard, all right, Harley.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Next, Ah, there's a there's a dancers in Ivory Coast
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: of Africa and there and their dance is so fascinating.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: The movement on their feet is just like so rapid
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: that it's almost an impossible dance to learn, and only
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: the men get to do it. So that's probably the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: ninth Zioli piece I did. I've done a whole series
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: on their masks, and by being fascinated with the with
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: the dance. Yeah, so what happens for me is I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: was inspired by I get inspired by little things and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: big things.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you did a couple of busses. I don't have
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the pictures of the buses because they're in the book
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and they were hard to reproduce. Why did you allow
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: your pain to be on a bus? That's a really
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: big thing.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, well I'm want to tell you what happened. Uh
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: w A, Well, I remember I say, w a A.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: A r P came to me and commissioned me to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: do a piece, and they were doing it for the metrorail,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: so it's really on their and it was add for them,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: and they wanted it to go through certain communities so
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: people would see it and be charmed by that and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: join AARP. Yeah. So I completed a painting. I completed
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: a painting and then a graphic artist made that whatever
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: kind of way they stenciled it on or however they
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: do that process, I don't really know. But you took
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: certain parts of my painting and put it on the bus.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, everything bus on the extra Metrorail.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: I was a static and what in fact, Once I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: was at a stoplight and my train went by. That
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: was really thrilling.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to the normal painting as opposed to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the bus. What's up next, Charley? Oh beautiful?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: What is this another series? I've always been fascinated with
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: the in the Belly tribe of South Africa because they're
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: because they paint their houses or wedellings. The women do
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: that and every after spring or whatever rainy season is,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: they refresh it. And it reminds me of Native American
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: paint art as well as African. It's a combination. And
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: both of my grandmothers were part Cherokee and oh I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: kind of got a three. Yeah. I kind of got
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: to thrill out of seeing that, and that's what pulled
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: me into in the Belly tribe.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Tell me about your family and whether or not they're
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: all astonished that you're an artist.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: There's some peacocks in the family for sure, especially my mom,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: and even though she's a even though she's a female,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: she's got the feathers of the guys, the male peacocks. Yes,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: she's very she was very filled from day one. Since
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: I was six, she was finding a way to get
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: me little art suppliers and little things to draw, so
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: she was always in my corner, so yeah, she deserves it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: And then I got an honorary doctorate from from a university,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: and she loved it because then she could call me
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: doctor Saint James. So I didn't know to school, but
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: I think of a doctor and an educator.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Do you have a brothers? Do you have brothers that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: bothered you growing up?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: I was a little tomble, I bothered them. Okay, how about.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: This, because I'm just wondered if they get into your painting,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: get into your painting and mess up your work.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no, they couldn't do that.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Uh was that always in New York? Did you spend
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: your early life completely in the city.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: I spent a major part of my life really here
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: in California, in Los Angeles. But my mom and dad
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: are from the Bronx, New York Wanning raised.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: So why did you move to Los Angeles?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Why did they move?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Why did you move to La Oh?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: When I came down as an adult because I missed it.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: I missed the fact that here and like there's a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: couple of countries like even Guyana, that you have the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: tropics and you have that whole other feeling but and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: to me, for Los Angeles, you have the feeling of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: the tropics because you get to see palm trees, you
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: get to go to the beach more often, and at
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: the same time, it's a bustling city. And in New York,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: I have more of my New York energy. So from
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: New York, I've got that energy to go get it
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: or to work for it and try harder. You know
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: that saying, if you make it here, you can make
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: it anywhere. So I saw my first painting in New
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: York when I was twenty.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Oh well, now do you know where that is? Now?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't. But it was an attorney and I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: worked for a mortgage insurance company right across the street
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: from Saint Patrick's Cathedral, and Dan was one of the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: closing attorneys and he commissioned me to do it. So
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: I don't seem what I was doing. He commissioned me
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: to do my first painting that I sold.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: But it's now been passed on throughout his family. There
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: are people have already put DIBs on your painting in
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: my family. So I don't know where it's going to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: be in fifty years, but they're gonna have to fight over.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: It's not my problem. Let's go back to some of
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the book that will be in the new book, Harley.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Let's do this one. Who is this and where is
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: this Cynthia?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: That's in Fiji. I did have a opportunity to go
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: to Fiji as well, and I did a little series
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: on the Duwali holiday, so the Indian holiday or the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Hindu holiday. And I looked up in different places that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: celebrate Guyana's one, Fiji's one, Trinidads one Canada. I mean,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: it goes on and on, and I just picked a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: few that the places that I had been to, and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: I painted what Dwali would look like there in celebration.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: Har that's my Tibetan monks. The guy in the hat,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: he's getting ready to go to the temple, and he's
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: actually gonna do what they call the black hat dance
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: that only the monks could do.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: That's fabulous. It's also behind you, we said you right now.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Is that gonna be in the Los Philis studio?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: No, No, that studio. I don't have that anymore.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: It's been online a lot in my on my website.
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  Speaker 1: What is the website, Cynthia.
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  Speaker 5: It's only sing tricky about it is that it begins
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  Speaker 5: with a tillier A t E l I e r
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  Speaker 5: Cynthia Saint James, and is because of my spelling and
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  Speaker 5: my name is with the s, says s y n
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  Speaker 5: t h I A st is spelled out like you
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  Speaker 5: have it on the monitor. S A I n t
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  Speaker 5: j A.
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  Speaker 7: M e s.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go go back to the paintings now. I got
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  Speaker 1: a bunch more that I picked out to put up there.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Harley. This is a sort of classic Cynthia
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  Speaker 1: saying games. This is what I think of like mine
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  Speaker 1: and the fetching missus Huetty. It's just a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people having fun. Tell us about this.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's I played. I played a lot of zytacal
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  Speaker 5: music and kind of got the rhythm for it when
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  Speaker 5: I was doing a few pieces on New Orleans and
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  Speaker 5: came up with this. I asked a friend of mine
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  Speaker 5: from New Orleans what records to get, So sometimes i'll
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  Speaker 5: play music from about what I'm painting, so zydacalor. I
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  Speaker 5: was playing my little zycal music while I was doing that,
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  Speaker 5: and I just enjoyed combining the the guys back there
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  Speaker 5: playing their instruments with how really kind of funny we
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  Speaker 5: look when we're dancing right imposterous, It's really kind of
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  Speaker 5: funny how we look, but we could. You can tell
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  Speaker 5: they're in it now.
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  Speaker 1: How long does it take you after you finish a
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  Speaker 1: painting to get it to market and then see it
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  Speaker 1: vanish into the stream of collectors that it becomes Cynthia
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  Speaker 1: Saint James collectors.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you something, are there like my babies,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: so I'm not always in a big rush to let
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  Speaker 5: them go. I just finished the piece and someone wants
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  Speaker 5: to buy it already, and I just let them know
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm keeping that one for myself.
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  Speaker 1: How cluttered is How cluttered is that? You probably have
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  Speaker 1: too many babies?
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  Speaker 5: I do. I would say hanging on the walls in
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: this space is close to one hundred pieces. I do
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  Speaker 5: a lot for nonprofits, so sometimes I do fundraising salons
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  Speaker 5: here and I'll sell work and give them a commission
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  Speaker 5: on it to go into their fund.
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  Speaker 1: So you also, oh, this one must have taken some time.
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  Speaker 1: What is this?
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  Speaker 11: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's three by four feet. It's a Mercy College
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  Speaker 5: in New York. It's right across the street. From Macy's
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  Speaker 5: where I used to work when I was eighteen, and
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  Speaker 5: I got to do that for the college. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: I want you say, you can tell where it is
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  Speaker 5: if you look at it, if you look at the.
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  Speaker 1: They got Mercy sweatshirts. Yeah, they got.
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  Speaker 5: Mercy Mercy College. And then it's right across the street
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  Speaker 5: from macy So it's that little area on thirty fourth Street.
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  Speaker 1: Do they put that on their their T shirts? And
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  Speaker 1: that's on their sweatshirts and their gear.
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  Speaker 5: I gave them that. I gave them the you know,
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  Speaker 5: rights to do that, but so far they haven't. It's
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  Speaker 5: it's in the main lobby in the college. They have
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  Speaker 5: really nicely displayed.
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  Speaker 1: And how big is that one? Is that big?
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  Speaker 5: Four feet?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, good side? People will catch that. What have
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  Speaker 1: we gotten next, Harley? Oh beauty, I love this. I
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  Speaker 1: love this. I love it. I just love color and happiness.
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  Speaker 1: Where is this?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's in Cures How. When I was when
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  Speaker 5: I was in curew it was just like I was
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  Speaker 5: so fascinated with these little houses lined up together like that,
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  Speaker 5: and they look so precious and happy. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 5: anybody not being happy. That's side of it and on it.
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  Speaker 5: Behind them, not too far from the house is the ocean,
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  Speaker 5: so there may be equivalents of two blocks from the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: There. I've always told people when they asked us about
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  Speaker 1: our painting, are Saint James painting? I said, I'd never
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  Speaker 1: met her. I saw a film about her, but I
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  Speaker 1: think she's the happiest person I know, because your paintings
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  Speaker 1: are almost inevitably happy. Is that true? I'm just guessing,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, no, no, they are. I mean the one
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  Speaker 5: time I had to do a painting that wasn't happy,
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  Speaker 5: and that was where the play Miss Ever's Boy down
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  Speaker 5: for the mark tape or form. They commission me to
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  Speaker 5: do it for the play and they sold the posters,
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  Speaker 5: but you know that's really a depressing thing, so I
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  Speaker 5: had to do it a little darker and kind of
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  Speaker 5: the body posture was different. But do you know that
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  Speaker 5: it almost completely sold out, so they had to pull
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  Speaker 5: it back off of the sale to put in their archives.
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  Speaker 1: I want to do a couple ask you a couple
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  Speaker 1: more questions. This is wild? What's this, Cynthia?
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  Speaker 5: That's my kabookie dancer. He's a lion dancer. He does
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  Speaker 5: a lion dance. That maine is for a lion. So
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  Speaker 5: when he's dancing, he's throwing that maine around and it
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  Speaker 5: goes way down his back. So the wigs that they wear,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they're way down his back. So he's throwing
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  Speaker 5: the wig around the whole time he's moving.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Second the last one, Harley, Ah, this was very classic.
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  Speaker 1: It's very classic Cynthia Saint James. Where is this?
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  Speaker 5: What is that's Edith Poff that's in her black dress?
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  Speaker 1: How wonderful? Why did you do that?
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  Speaker 5: I was inspired by the film about her life. I
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  Speaker 5: can't remember what year it was, but for the Foreign
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  Speaker 5: Films in the Cameo Awards, she won that Best Actress
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  Speaker 5: that portrayed her. And it was really about seeing that
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  Speaker 5: film and getting feeling it so much, feeling so much
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  Speaker 5: about her life in her music.
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  Speaker 1: I want to close with the one that I think
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: most people have seen. It's not a painting, it's a stamp.
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  Speaker 1: There is your Quanta stamp from over a decade ago.
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  Speaker 1: Millions and millions that I've seen that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my twenty sixteenth forever, So I got
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  Speaker 5: to do two Quanta stamps.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how long does it take to do a stamp.
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  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the challenges you have to paint
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  Speaker 5: really small. The first one I did couldn't be any
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  Speaker 5: bigger than four by five inches. Oh dear, that was
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  Speaker 5: horrible to try to do that. And then right after
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  Speaker 5: that I did one hundred and fifty feet Ontario Airport
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  Speaker 5: mural design, so I went from four by five inches
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  Speaker 5: to one hundred and fifty feet.
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  Speaker 12: But the.
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  Speaker 5: Graphic designer that I worked with was very easy to
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  Speaker 5: work with, so this one didn't take me as long. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: I think it takes more time and to go to
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  Speaker 5: them and they're okay, and figuring it out out and whatever.
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  Speaker 5: I usually work right away and consistently a couple of months.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a schedule that you follow most days,
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  Speaker 1: if not every day where you're painting in the morning
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  Speaker 1: or the afternoon of the evening. Are you just always
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  Speaker 1: working My.
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  Speaker 5: Favorite schedule, which I'm not on right now, but for
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  Speaker 5: eighteen years I drove from those fetus to the beach
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  Speaker 5: every morning before dawn, and I'd walk on the sand
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  Speaker 5: and do my affirmations and prayers and see some dolphins
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  Speaker 5: every now and then, and then I'd come home and paint.
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  Speaker 5: So I used to get up at three do all
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  Speaker 5: of that come back, And I'd start painting around nine,
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  Speaker 5: and I'd paint till I was just couldn't paint anymore,
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  Speaker 5: so usually to about five. Yeah, usually about five five
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  Speaker 5: or six.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm amazed by your productivity. Who oversees the Cynthia
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Saint James empire? Because there are posters everywhere. I really
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  Speaker 1: do not travel very often that I don't run into
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  Speaker 1: a poster or a book or a child's book. And
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: because I got a lot of grandkids, I got grandkids
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  Speaker 1: to read too. Oh yeah, who who handles your your empire?
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  Speaker 1: You can't possibly believe?
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  Speaker 5: Would you believe this? Would you believe this? I'm a
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  Speaker 5: one woman show. There's no manager. For years ago, I
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  Speaker 5: had reps back around ninety ish, and then I found
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  Speaker 5: out that without reps, all this work just started pouring in.
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  Speaker 5: I think they they made people, make them think of
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  Speaker 5: me as this person that was just couldn't be bothered.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it was all about me. Not approachable was
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  Speaker 5: the what they people got when they had to go
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  Speaker 5: through a rep. And I didn't like that because that's
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  Speaker 5: not me. And I've been so fortunate because There's been
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  Speaker 5: a lot of seas that I've planned, or people have
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  Speaker 5: seen work that I've done for other organizations and they
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  Speaker 5: come to me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how do they find you? They do? They
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  Speaker 1: just google your name, Cynthia Saint James.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: You know what if I'm ever down or feel down,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: which is it's very I can't even imagine how where
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  Speaker 5: that could be. I just have to walk through the house,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: google myself. There's thousands of things that come up. Even
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: AI knows all about me.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, I hope it's not producing, it's not doing knockoffss.
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  Speaker 5: No no no no no no no no no no,
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  Speaker 5: no no no. I don't have anything near me. But
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  Speaker 5: let's say I'm doing research on something like an area
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: in the country or another country, and I go to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: them to ask them. But this is what I did
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: to find out. I went on and asked about myself
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: to see what they.
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  Speaker 1: Came up with. This is my paying forward question. Thirty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, somebody did a documentary about you. I saw
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: it and I was moved by it. I went out,
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  Speaker 1: I got your painting, and our family has enjoyed it
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  Speaker 1: all these years and will for many more, many more,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: many more years. So someone's watching this today or they're
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: hearing about it today, and they're going to go home
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: and watch it on the YouTube clip of it, and
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: they're gonna want to know how do I get her?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: How do I get her paintings? They can go to
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  Speaker 1: your website for your paintings or your prints, but how
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: do they get you to commission something? If they want
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: you to do something specific? How do they get that
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: done from you?
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  Speaker 5: I can even give one of my service phone Namber
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: to call. I can give that as well, no problem.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Oh please don't make sure it's not your home phone though.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Let's let's not.
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  Speaker 5: Get outside service. Okay, good, it's three two three nine
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  Speaker 5: nine three five seven to two.
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  Speaker 1: So it's three two three nine nine three five seven
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  Speaker 1: two two exactly, Get that right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Cynthia, I want to a thank you for your
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: the joy you brought into our household, because we never
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: have a dinner, literally never have a dinner without someone
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: saying where did that come from? Because it's just completely
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: different from anything else. And I love to tell the story.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: And now I'm going to be able to say go
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: over to my YouTube channel and watch Cynthia. She's charming
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: in person. As she is on the painting canvas. Cynthia,
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  Speaker 1: you have a wonderful day. Please keep going another fifty
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: years or another thirty years at least, because you bring
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of joy into the world, and I, for
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: one appreciate it. Cynthia, Thank John, thank you for joining
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  Speaker 1: me today. And when's the new book come out? When's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: the new book come out?
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  Speaker 5: At first?
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  Speaker 1: August first?
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  Speaker 5: On your website, we can go to Amazon, and that's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: where they can find all my books here.
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  Speaker 1: All right, August first, the new collection and the children's
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  Speaker 1: books will be at Amazon. You have a wonderful, blessed day, Cynthia.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for spending some of the it.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I appreciate you.