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- 1:47Speaker 3: Should the husband have told his wife about the strip club?
- 1:50Speaker 3: Before I give you any context or details... Just based
- 1:55Speaker 3: on the singular question, Trey, should the husband have told
- 1:59Speaker 3: the wife about the strip club?
- 2:05Speaker 1: If you have to ask, probably not.
- 2:08Speaker 2: Well said. Very well said.
- 2:16Speaker 3: I'm going to hold off on my response on the
- 2:20Speaker 3: question for now. Because This context gets real convoluted real fast.
- 2:31Speaker 3: So I'm going to give you just the brief first
- 2:34Speaker 3: part of this, okay? Am I the a-hole for confirming
- 2:37Speaker 3: to my friend that her husband... Okay, so the person
- 2:41Speaker 3: writing this is a female, all right? She says, am
- 2:45Speaker 3: I the a-hole for confirming to my friend that her
- 2:48Speaker 3: husband went to a strip club after my husband told me.
- 2:52Speaker 2: About it privately?
- 2:53Speaker 1: Okay? Okay. All right.
- 2:58Speaker 3: Now, now that I've added a little bit of context
- 3:00Speaker 3: to this. So let's let's make it personal. You, Trey,
- 3:04Speaker 3: are married. I know it's a wild fantasy. And you
- 3:09Speaker 3: and me go to a strip club for a bachelor
- 3:12Speaker 3: party weekend. And I tell you, dude, don't say anything
- 3:16Speaker 3: because my wife wouldn't like it. And then you go
- 3:19Speaker 3: home and tell your wife, yeah, we went to a
- 3:20Speaker 3: strip club. Oh, and Dan's not supposed to wasn't supposed
- 3:23Speaker 3: to be there. So don't tell Tara.
- 3:26Speaker 2: Would you have told your wife what we did?
- 3:36Speaker 1: That's a tough one because I wouldn't want to lie
- 3:47Speaker 1: to her. And I'm just going off my, let's say,
- 3:49Speaker 1: last relationship where it wouldn't have been I don't think
- 3:52Speaker 1: that would have been an issue. I mean, going to
- 3:54Speaker 1: a strip club certainly isn't an issue with me, but...
- 4:00Speaker 1: If she asked, I probably wouldn't have lied, but maybe
- 4:03Speaker 1: I wouldn't divulge. Fair.
- 4:06Speaker 2: So... An omission type of lie? Not a full lie,
- 4:12Speaker 2: but just, you know.
- 4:13Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean... I don't know. Yeah, I probably would
- 4:17Speaker 1: tell her just because I wouldn't... But... It would also be,
- 4:26Speaker 1: so if I knew my friend would be in trouble, yeah,
- 4:31Speaker 1: it would come with a deal of, okay, you cannot
- 4:34Speaker 1: tell his wife. We never had this discussion. If she asked,
- 4:38Speaker 1: you know, you have no knowledge of this whatsoever.
- 4:43Speaker 3: So I don't know how everyone else's relationships work, but
- 4:49Speaker 3: I try to default to common sense and, and, sometimes
- 4:53Speaker 3: worst case scenario. What I mean is, if I tell
- 4:58Speaker 3: a buddy something and he's married, I'm automatically assuming he
- 5:02Speaker 3: will tell his wife.
- 5:04Speaker 2: I just am.
- 5:07Speaker 3: That's just how my brain works, the way I view
- 5:10Speaker 3: a marriage, is I'm just going to assume that me
- 5:14Speaker 3: telling Fred, Fred will tell Jane.
- 5:18Speaker 2: Just period. I'm just assuming it outright.
- 5:21Speaker 3: And so because of that, if there's something that I
- 5:24Speaker 3: don't want someone else down, down the line to know,
- 5:29Speaker 3: and it's connected by Jane, Fred's wife, then I'm just
- 5:31Speaker 3: not going to tell Fred. Cause I'm assuming he will
- 5:34Speaker 3: tell her because whether by coercion, fear, or just outright relationship,
- 5:42Speaker 3: openness and honesty, I assume she's going to find out
- 5:45Speaker 3: whatever's inside his head. Yeah.
- 5:52Speaker 1: I mean, I've, If this gets so complicated, because if
- 6:01Speaker 1: it's going to cause, if going to a strip club
- 6:05Speaker 1: is going to cause that much friction in your marriage,
- 6:07Speaker 1: there is obviously something else going on. And if it's
- 6:14Speaker 1: your buddy, then, because chances are, if it's going to
- 6:20Speaker 1: a strip club is an issue, like you're, you're doing
- 6:25Speaker 1: it too much or something has happened that has made
- 6:28Speaker 1: your wife uncomfortable. Now there are a few, there, there
- 6:34Speaker 1: are couples where that's just off limits period, the end.
- 6:37Speaker 1: But for the most part, people I know, I don't
- 6:41Speaker 1: think their wives would have like, if their relationship is solid,
- 6:46Speaker 1: I don't think their wife's going to have a really big,
- 6:47Speaker 1: you know, especially at our age now, 20 years ago,
- 6:52Speaker 1: you know, maybe something different. Um, but that's just, if
- 7:00Speaker 1: that one thing is really going to get your buddy
- 7:02Speaker 1: in trouble, your buddy's probably fucking up. Yeah.
- 7:06Speaker 2: Your buddy's already in trouble.
- 7:07Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 7:08Speaker 3: For any number of other things. So here she says, uh,
- 7:11Speaker 3: so basically everyone's in their thirties. She says, my husband
- 7:15Speaker 3: and I are close friends with another married couple, Sarah
- 7:17Speaker 3: and Mike. We've known them for a couple of years.
- 7:19Speaker 3: Sarah has become a close friend of mine independently of
- 7:22Speaker 3: our husband's About a month ago, my husband and Mike
- 7:24Speaker 3: went on a bachelor party trip. Some of the guys
- 7:26Speaker 3: went to a strip club. My husband told me afterward.
- 7:28Speaker 3: I didn't care that he went, but he also told
- 7:30Speaker 3: me Mike went and specifically did not want Sarah to
- 7:33Speaker 3: know because.
- 7:34Speaker 2: She would be upset. I never told Sarah.
- 7:36Speaker 3: Recently, we learned Sarah and Mike were having marital problems,
- 7:39Speaker 3: but I had no idea how serious they were or
- 7:41Speaker 3: what they were about. Before I saw her, my husband
- 7:44Speaker 3: asked me that if the strip club was what she
- 7:46Speaker 3: was upset about to downplay what happened on the trip.
- 7:49Speaker 3: I interpreted that as, Don't volunteer information or make it
- 7:52Speaker 3: into a bigger deal. He apparently meant that I should
- 7:54Speaker 3: not confirm Mike was there at all. When I saw Sarah,
- 7:58Speaker 3: she told me they've actually been separated for over a month.
- 8:01Speaker 3: A major issue in their marriage is Mike repeatedly lying
- 8:05Speaker 3: to her about things involving other women and going to
- 8:08Speaker 3: strip clubs. During the conversation, she said, and the guys
- 8:12Speaker 3: went to a strip club on the bachelor trip, right?
- 8:15Speaker 1: I said, yes.
- 8:16Speaker 3: Based on how she asked, I genuinely thought she already knew.
- 8:19Speaker 3: Turns out she strongly suspected it, but didn't know for sure,
- 8:21Speaker 3: so I ended up accidentally confirming it. My husband is
- 8:24Speaker 3: now extremely upset. He feels he trusted me with information privately,
- 8:27Speaker 3: and I broke that trust. He thinks I should have said,
- 8:29Speaker 3: I don't know, or otherwise not answered, and now feels
- 8:32Speaker 3: like we've inserted ourselves into their marriage problems. I understand
- 8:36Speaker 3: why he's upset. I genuinely regret being the person who
- 8:38Speaker 3: confirmed it. If I'd realized.
- 8:39Speaker 2: She didn't know, I probably would have said, something you
- 8:42Speaker 2: need to talk to Mike about.
- 8:43Speaker 3: Where I'm struggling is that Sarah's also my close friend,
- 8:46Speaker 3: I had kept this information to myself for a month,
- 8:48Speaker 3: but now I'm sitting across from her while she told
- 8:50Speaker 3: me her marriage may be ending largely because her husband
- 8:52Speaker 3: was repeatedly lied about this exact behavior. I understand keeping
- 8:56Speaker 3: something from my husband told me privately to myself, but
- 8:58Speaker 3: I'm uncomfortable with the idea that doing so means I'm
- 9:00Speaker 3: obligated to actively lie to my friend when she directly
- 9:02Speaker 3: asked me a question. Now that you have all the context,
- 9:05Speaker 3: do you change the answer to your question at all
- 9:08Speaker 3: about whether or not you as the husband should tell
- 9:10Speaker 3: your wife that you and the boys went to the
- 9:12Speaker 3: strip club?
- 9:15Speaker 1: No, because... The truth of the matter is, your buddy
- 9:19Speaker 1: is already on thin ice, and this is one of
- 9:24Speaker 1: those points where, and I say this now with the
- 9:26Speaker 1: wisdom of 52 years on this earth, 20 years ago
- 9:30Speaker 1: as an alcoholic, probably would have been in Mike's shoes,
- 9:34Speaker 1: of if it's that, if your marriage is on the line,
- 9:39Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't have gone on the bachelor party trip, period.
- 9:45Speaker 1: And And you can't be mad at the wife because
- 9:52Speaker 1: that's her friend. You can't ask her Cause then if
- 9:56Speaker 1: she lies and the, what the other, her friend finds out,
- 10:00Speaker 1: then you just ruin their friendship too. And that's not
- 10:02Speaker 1: really fair. It's like at the end of the day,
- 10:05Speaker 1: Mike's the F up.
- 10:06Speaker 2: Bingo.
- 10:07Speaker 3: That's my answer. That was my answer. You know, like
- 10:10Speaker 3: almost 10 minutes ago. And it's my answer now. So
- 10:13Speaker 3: if you, the husband, should you tell your wife that
- 10:15Speaker 3: you and the guys went to the bachelor party?
- 10:17Speaker 2: Yeah. Whether you say it or not, I don't care.
- 10:20Speaker 2: This is all Mike's problem. This is all the root
- 10:23Speaker 2: problem is Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
- 10:26Speaker 1: Dan, hit pause.
- 10:30Speaker 3: Look, you can have this consternation about whether or not
- 10:33Speaker 3: you should tell your wife about something that you did,
- 10:36Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, you, the husband,
- 10:38Speaker 3: and your wife, you're now in the middle, both of you, right?
- 10:42Speaker 3: It's because of something Mike did, and then he wanted
- 10:46Speaker 3: you to keep the information away from his wife, On
- 10:50Speaker 3: the other side of it. So you're being bookended by
- 10:53Speaker 3: a relationship drama that you.
- 10:55Speaker 2: Didn't ask for. Well, at the end of the day,
- 10:58Speaker 2: this is all Mike's fault.
- 10:59Speaker 3: Because he doesn't want anything getting back to his wife.
- 11:01Speaker 3: If you don't want anything getting back to your wife,
- 11:03Speaker 3: don't do the thing.
- 11:07Speaker 1: Bros before hoes ends when you say I do.
- 11:11Speaker 2: That is absolute facts.
- 11:16Speaker 1: And it sounds like, and again, I say this, I've
- 11:20Speaker 1: had I ever been, have been married in my late twenties,
- 11:23Speaker 1: early thirties, I probably would have been Mike. Uh, but
- 11:26Speaker 1: you know, Mike still sounds like it wants to be
- 11:29Speaker 1: single and, uh, he's about to be. So there's just.
- 11:36Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 11:36Speaker 2: Good, good news, Mike.
- 11:37Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 11:39Speaker 2: You want to live a single's life. You're about to
- 11:41Speaker 2: get it.
- 11:41Speaker 1: Yeah. You, you want to hang out at strip clubs. Well,
- 11:44Speaker 1: guess what? You're about to be, have all your nights
- 11:47Speaker 1: free and you'll soon find out that, uh, All your
- 11:52Speaker 1: friends are going to be like, yeah, I can't do
- 11:53Speaker 1: that crap anymore.
- 11:55Speaker 2: Not going to happen.
- 12:00Speaker 3: And then you're going to be that guy at the
- 12:02Speaker 3: strip club.
- 12:05Speaker 2: If you keep it up.
- 12:07Speaker 1: I never.
- 12:09Speaker 1: We've all had friends who love strip clubs. I was
- 12:14Speaker 1: never that guy. I had some fun nights in strip clubs,
- 12:17Speaker 1: but I never had.
- 12:22Speaker 1: Like this burning desire to just night after night, go to.
- 12:25Speaker 3: A strip club. I, I am with you. I've, I've
- 12:29Speaker 3: never understood that mentality. I mean, there's a deep seated
- 12:33Speaker 3: issue there where you're just looking for acceptance or something.
- 12:37Speaker 2: I'm not a shrink. I don't know, but.
- 12:40Speaker 3: My official assessment is if you're at a strip club
- 12:43Speaker 3: every single night, there's something going on.
- 12:45Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 12:47Speaker 2: Internally in you that you need to seek help for.
- 12:49Speaker 1: I mean, unless, unless, Unless. Now, if you're a billionaire
- 12:59Speaker 1: and you're pulling, you know, you just want to have
- 13:01Speaker 1: one night stands with strippers. Okay, I understand.
- 13:04Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're pulling a Roman orgy with the whole club. Yeah,
- 13:08Speaker 2: that's you. Yeah, you go for it, buddy. I feel that.
- 13:13Speaker 3: If you want to move the entire strip club to
- 13:16Speaker 3: your yacht for the weekend, and you can make that
- 13:19Speaker 3: happen financially, then I get it.
- 13:21Speaker 2: Then absolutely go off.
- 13:23Speaker 1: If your backyard looks like the scene out of Roadhouse....
- 13:36Speaker 2: While keeping in mind, as an outsider... I'll watch the movie.
- 13:40Speaker 2: I'll watch the show. But at the end of the day,
- 13:42Speaker 2: I wouldn't want that life. That's too much to keep
- 13:45Speaker 2: up with.
- 13:45Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 13:46Speaker 3: Even, even if I had that amount of money, I'd
- 13:48Speaker 3: be like, I can't do this every day.
- 13:52Speaker 2: Like even I've got limits, but it sure. I mean,
- 13:56Speaker 2: if you want to have a fun, just unhinged weekend,
- 13:59Speaker 2: then fine. I get that.
- 14:00Speaker 3: But yeah, no, at the end of the day, Mike
- 14:03Speaker 3: caused all of this and, uh, It's a horrible position
- 14:08Speaker 3: to be caught in the middle, and it's hard enough
- 14:10Speaker 3: as one person. But if you're friends with other couples,
- 14:15Speaker 3: and now you're stuck in the middle of this with
- 14:18Speaker 3: your partner, and now you're both stuck in it, that's
- 14:21Speaker 3: a horrible spot to be in. I had a similar
- 14:26Speaker 3: situation to this years and years ago. My ex-girlfriend, her
- 14:35Speaker 3: best friend, friend for years. My ex found out, I
- 14:42Speaker 3: can't remember how that he had cheated, done something or something.
- 14:45Speaker 3: And I can't remember maybe a strip club was involved
- 14:47Speaker 3: or not, whatever. The main point is she found out
- 14:50Speaker 3: he had cheated. She asked me, do I tell her?
- 14:53Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, I don't know. So we talked
- 14:57Speaker 3: through all of the possibilities.
- 15:00Speaker 2: Um, And the main thing I.
- 15:03Speaker 3: Told her was, if you tell your friend that he cheated,
- 15:08Speaker 3: you have to be prepared to never talk to her again.
- 15:13Speaker 2: For a number of reasons. One, kill the messenger.
- 15:17Speaker 3: Two, she decides not to believe you and listens to
- 15:20Speaker 3: whatever thing he says. Friendship over. I mean, there's so
- 15:25Speaker 3: many different reasons, but you have to be prepared. If
- 15:27Speaker 3: you're going to tell her this, you may never talk
- 15:29Speaker 3: to her again. So if you're willing to accept that,
- 15:32Speaker 3: then tell her.
- 15:35Speaker 1: Well, and there's also, if there's time lapse between when
- 15:38Speaker 1: you found out and when you tell her, then that
- 15:40Speaker 1: becomes the whole issue too.
- 15:44Speaker 3: That's where you need to lie. You need to say, Hey,
- 15:48Speaker 3: I just heard this. I'm going to tell you about
- 15:49Speaker 3: it right now. Um, But, yeah, and she ended.
- 15:54Speaker 2: Up telling her.
- 15:56Speaker 1: And it's funny.
- 15:57Speaker 2: And it ruined the friendship. She ended up staying with
- 16:00Speaker 2: the guy.
- 16:02Speaker 1: Oh, that's, you know, always. And this is just a
- 16:04Speaker 1: general rule. If you say anything bad about someone's partner
- 16:11Speaker 1: or tell a secret or anything else, you have to
- 16:16Speaker 1: be prepared to lose that friend because they very well
- 16:20Speaker 1: may pick the partner over you. But it's funny, at
- 16:25Speaker 1: 52 years of age, I just realized that someone I
- 16:30Speaker 1: used to be friends with, he never brought his wife
- 16:36Speaker 1: to anything, never introduced her, never ingratiated her in his
- 16:42Speaker 1: social circles. And I just figured out why, because we
- 16:44Speaker 1: all knew he was cheating. And I swear it's probably
- 16:47Speaker 1: because she had no ties to any of his friends
- 16:51Speaker 1: group that knew what he was doing.
- 16:56Speaker 3: Isolationism works really, really good. If you're trying to get
- 16:58Speaker 3: away with stuff, it makes it a lot easier.
- 17:02Speaker 1: They also ended up divorced. So I'm guessing she eventually
- 17:05Speaker 1: found out.
- 17:06Speaker 2: And that's the other thing to keep in mind. She
- 17:09Speaker 2: will always find out.
- 17:11Speaker 1: Yep.
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- 21:52Speaker 3: were not Dolly Parton, right? But when you are in
- 21:57Speaker 3: a position where you're born into a family, like say
- 21:59Speaker 3: a Gracie Abrams, your dad's JJ Abrams, you don't have
- 22:03Speaker 3: to do certain things that other kids had to do
- 22:07Speaker 3: when you're growing up.
- 22:08Speaker 2: You are allowed.
- 22:09Speaker 3: because of financial freedom, to really pursue interests that some
- 22:14Speaker 3: of us may not have been able to, right? Like
- 22:16Speaker 3: some of us, you know, had piano lessons or certain
- 22:20Speaker 3: things like that, but they can devote a whole lot
- 22:25Speaker 3: of time to it if that kid is really, really
- 22:27Speaker 3: into it and say, you know, it doesn't matter about
- 22:30Speaker 3: anything else. You can do this and focus on it
- 22:33Speaker 3: and focus on nothing else. You don't have to go
- 22:35Speaker 3: get a job at Sonic slinging fries, right? You can
- 22:38Speaker 3: focus on this.
- 22:41Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to chase your dreams if you
- 22:43Speaker 1: don't have to worry about rent surviving.
- 22:50Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is.
- 22:52Speaker 1: It's like, I don't, I mean, two actresses that come
- 22:55Speaker 1: to mind. Is it Maya Hawk? Phenomenal. Great actress. But
- 23:00Speaker 1: I'm sure who her parents are, Uma Thurman and Ethan
- 23:04Speaker 1: Hawke certainly have opened some doors for. On the other hand,
- 23:09Speaker 1: and I cannot think of her name, but I think
- 23:10Speaker 1: it's Bryan Cranston's daughter that was on, I think she's
- 23:15Speaker 1: on the pit. She's phenomenal. And she uses a different
- 23:21Speaker 1: name just to try to escape the Nepo baby thing.
- 23:24Speaker 1: So I tip a hat to her because that's impressive.
- 23:30Speaker 1: If you got to this point and people really didn't
- 23:32Speaker 1: know who you were.
- 23:34Speaker 2: It really is.
- 23:35Speaker 3: And then when I see that, It is sort of
- 23:37Speaker 3: like an extra, oh, good on you. Like, I respect
- 23:40Speaker 3: that even more. But I'm not going to begrudge someone
- 23:45Speaker 3: because they were born into a really fortunate situation.
- 23:48Speaker 2: That's just luck, right? Is it fair?
- 23:52Speaker 3: Not entirely, but I can't control that. You know, look,
- 23:58Speaker 3: I could have had it way worse. I mean, me specifically,
- 24:02Speaker 3: because when I got adopted, I almost ended up in
- 24:06Speaker 3: Southwestern Oklahoma and God knows where. And instead I got
- 24:11Speaker 3: picked up and went to Northeastern Oklahoma, which sounds, it
- 24:15Speaker 3: sounds odd to say it's so much better, but it was.
- 24:19Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you talk about how your life
- 24:21Speaker 3: could be different in so many different ways instead of
- 24:24Speaker 3: like just focusing on, Oh, this person has this and whatever.
- 24:27Speaker 3: It's like, you'll drive yourself crazy if you keep comparing
- 24:30Speaker 3: yourself to others and what you feel like you should
- 24:32Speaker 3: have versus what they got.
- 24:33Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 24:35Speaker 3: I think a great saying is comparisons is the thief
- 24:38Speaker 3: of joy. And that's absolutely true.
- 24:42Speaker 1: Yep.
- 24:43Speaker 3: Sorry to get so deep on it. Let's go back
- 24:45Speaker 3: to birthdays. So anyway, Gracie Abrams, 27. Congratulations to her
- 24:49Speaker 3: for being from JJ Abrams balls.
- 24:52Speaker 2: Gloria Gaynor is 83. She is still surviving. Good for her.
- 24:56Speaker 3: Julie Kavner, voice of Marge Simpson is 76. Now she's
- 25:01Speaker 3: done a lot of other stuff in her career. She's been,
- 25:03Speaker 3: not just a voiceover actress, but a regular, like in
- 25:06Speaker 3: front of a camera actress, a lot in her career.
- 25:09Speaker 3: But I mean, she's made a healthy living playing Marge Simpson,
- 25:13Speaker 3: just like all the voices of the Simpsons have.
- 25:15Speaker 1: I think she's like, I mean, I think she started
- 25:18Speaker 1: on the Tracy Ullman show as a character, you know,
- 25:21Speaker 1: on the, which most people don't realize that's where the
- 25:23Speaker 1: Simpsons started. It was like a skit comedy show. And yeah,
- 25:27Speaker 1: that's certainly, man, that's been a good role for her. Yeah.
- 25:32Speaker 2: That's a great gig, man.
- 25:34Speaker 3: And is it because like people like Julie Kavner, Harry Shearer,
- 25:38Speaker 3: for the most part, have just done the Simpsons stuff
- 25:41Speaker 3: while also occasionally doing some in in front of camera stuff.
- 25:45Speaker 3: But then there's someone like a Hank Azaria who's done
- 25:49Speaker 3: all over the place in front of in front of
- 25:51Speaker 3: the camera and doing Simpsons voices. It's like the whole
- 25:54Speaker 3: whole Simpsons cast, man. I just I give him a
- 25:56Speaker 3: big thumbs up. I'm happy for him. It's one of
- 25:58Speaker 3: the greatest gigs of all time.
- 26:00Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
- 26:01Speaker 2: And it won't stop. I can't blame him.
- 26:05Speaker 3: Corbin Bernson is 72 from LA law from psych and
- 26:10Speaker 3: one of the worst, best third baseman in major league history.
- 26:14Speaker 3: Pretend in major league.
- 26:16Speaker 1: How do you shortstop?
- 26:19Speaker 2: Third base.
- 26:21Speaker 3: He didn't have enough range to play short. Then Toby
- 26:29Speaker 3: Jones is 60. He's from Infamous Detectorists and the Marvel
- 26:36Speaker 3: Cinematic Universe. He was in the first Captain America, the
- 26:40Speaker 3: first Avenger. He was the Red Skull's little assistant scientist guy,
- 26:44Speaker 3: the short dude with the big forehead, Toby Jones.
- 26:47Speaker 2: He's one of those guys. He's a character actor. You
- 26:49Speaker 2: look him up, you'd be like, oh, that guy got it.
- 26:53Speaker 3: And Leslie Jones, comedian and former SNL cast member, 59.
- 26:57Speaker 3: And now we're going to get to some really hardcore
- 26:59Speaker 3: 90s birthdays. It's a weird day. And this is associated
- 27:03Speaker 3: with some weird, weird movies. Shannon Elizabeth is 53, most
- 27:10Speaker 3: famous for her role in American Pie, playing a topless
- 27:13Speaker 3: Russian exchange student. Then she had a great turn as
- 27:17Speaker 3: a poker player. And then she ended up on Dancing
- 27:20Speaker 3: with the Stars.
- 27:21Speaker 1: Well, I think before American Pie, she kind of was
- 27:25Speaker 1: on Arliss as the Russian tennis player.
- 27:29Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot about that.
- 27:33Speaker 1: And then I believe just recently started an OnlyFans. She did.
- 27:38Speaker 3: She is part of the new sort of Gen X
- 27:43Speaker 3: cougar corner of OnlyFans from, you know, actresses and celebrities past.
- 27:49Speaker 2: It's like, I'm going to do OnlyFans now.
- 27:51Speaker 3: Don't know what she's doing, what she's showing, but I'm
- 27:53Speaker 3: sure she's living a fine life there on OnlyFans.
- 27:57Speaker 1: If I was a hot chick, I would so do OnlyFans.
- 28:01Speaker 2: Here you go, baby.
- 28:02Speaker 1: Right there. All day.
- 28:04Speaker 2: Here you go. 20 bucks. There you go.
- 28:08Speaker 1: What they make. Yeah.
- 28:11Speaker 3: By the way, she was very nice in person. I
- 28:13Speaker 3: was very excited to meet her back in the day.
- 28:14Speaker 3: We're doing the radio show and she came in town.
- 28:17Speaker 3: Can't remember what for. And she was very sweet.
- 28:20Speaker 1: Very nice.
- 28:21Speaker 3: I believe if I remember right, she's from Texas. She's
- 28:23Speaker 3: from like the Waco area. And and of course, our
- 28:28Speaker 3: old buddy and pal, R.I.P.
- 28:30Speaker 2: Russ Martin.
- 28:31Speaker 3: When we specifically told him she doesn't want to talk
- 28:34Speaker 3: about the Dancing with the Stars drama, don't bring it up.
- 28:38Speaker 2: If you bring it up, she'll leave. What's the first
- 28:40Speaker 2: thing he brings up? That.
- 28:42Speaker 3: And it wasn't because he was being some sort of
- 28:44Speaker 3: rebellious shock jock.
- 28:46Speaker 2: It's because he was so damn drunk.
- 28:48Speaker 3: He was just that's the only thing he could remember
- 28:50Speaker 3: to ask her about because that was the last thing
- 28:51Speaker 3: he had heard. He hadn't done any research into anything
- 28:53Speaker 3: she'd ever done. He never even asked her about American Pie.
- 28:59Speaker 3: That's how into the bottle he was. We had Shannon
- 29:02Speaker 3: Elizabeth in the studio, and he never asked her. He
- 29:06Speaker 3: never brought up American Pie. That's what alcoholism does, kids.
- 29:12Speaker 2: Don't do it.
- 29:14Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest. I mean, he was a jewel
- 29:17Speaker 1: when it came to guests.
- 29:19Speaker 2: Also that.
- 29:24Speaker 3: Now take that and multiply it by a handle of
- 29:26Speaker 3: Tito's in the morning.
- 29:27Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay?
- 29:29Speaker 2: And for anyone thinking I'm embellishing on that, I'm not.
- 29:33Speaker 1: I saw the footage.
- 29:36Speaker 2: Okay, now we're going to get to some weird 90s birthdays.
- 29:38Speaker 1: Are you ready? Here we go.
- 29:40Speaker 2: Tom Everett Scott is 50. You know what? I'm going
- 29:42Speaker 2: to save him.
- 29:43Speaker 3: I'm going to save him. I'm going to go instead
- 29:45Speaker 3: to Devin Sawa. Devin Sawa is 48 today. Best known
- 29:48Speaker 3: for Final Destination. He was in the first couple of
- 29:50Speaker 3: those movies. Final Destination changed.
- 29:52Speaker 2: Your life, man.
- 29:53Speaker 3: You watch those movies, you will no longer look around
- 29:56Speaker 3: you I mean, that's one of those movies that affects
- 29:58Speaker 3: you for a day or so afterwards because you start
- 30:01Speaker 3: seeing things around you differently. Like, oh my God, is
- 30:03Speaker 3: this piece of glass going to end up in my
- 30:05Speaker 3: throat because a thumbtack fell and a butterfly wing happened
- 30:08Speaker 3: in the next scene of Final Destination? I'm still shook
- 30:11Speaker 3: on roller coasters because of Final Destination 3.
- 30:13Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen those. Do it.
- 30:17Speaker 3: They're really good. Start with the first one. Devin Sawa,
- 30:21Speaker 3: 48 Today. Final Destination is one of the all-time great
- 30:24Speaker 3: horror franchises.
- 30:26Speaker 2: Trust me on this. He was also in a little
- 30:30Speaker 2: movie called Idle Hands. You remember that?
- 30:34Speaker 3: He starred in because his hand was possessed. This is
- 30:37Speaker 3: the kind of stuff that got made in the 90s.
- 30:42Speaker 3: His hand got possessed and they made an entire 90s
- 30:45Speaker 3: movie about it.
- 30:46Speaker 1: I think this is where the age gap between us
- 30:48Speaker 1: comes into play.
- 30:51Speaker 3: You don't need to have seen the movie or even
- 30:53Speaker 3: heard of the movie just to know that Hollywood back
- 30:57Speaker 3: in the day made a movie about a possessed hand.
- 31:00Speaker 1: Mainstream.
- 31:01Speaker 2: Not silly. Not novelty.
- 31:02Speaker 3: Like, no, this is a real thing. That's pretty weird.
- 31:06Speaker 3: And then it gets dark. Tom Everett Scott is 56.
- 31:11Speaker 3: Actor probably best known for That Thing You Do. He
- 31:14Speaker 3: also was in American Werewolf in Paris. Sort of the
- 31:18Speaker 3: remake of the London one from back in the day.
- 31:22Speaker 3: But he was also in a little movie called Dead
- 31:25Speaker 3: Man on Campus, opposite Mark Paul Gosselaar. Zach from Saved
- 31:30Speaker 3: by the Bell.
- 31:31Speaker 2: Do you remember Dead Man on Campus?
- 31:34Speaker 1: I do not.
- 31:36Speaker 3: Came out in 1998, the year I graduated high school.
- 31:43Speaker 3: College freshman Josh, played by Tom Everett Scott, and Cooper,
- 31:47Speaker 3: Mark Paul Gosselaar, are more interested in hitting the bottle
- 31:50Speaker 3: than in hitting the books, and their poor grades.
- 31:53Speaker 2: are set to get them kicked out of school. Their
- 31:56Speaker 2: only hope of passing is to find a roommate who
- 32:00Speaker 2: will kill himself.
- 32:02Speaker 3: Why? Because there's an odd college code that states a
- 32:08Speaker 3: suicide victim's roommates automatically get straight A's. So the entire
- 32:15Speaker 3: movie is them trying to find a nut job to
- 32:18Speaker 3: live with that they can then coerce into suicide So
- 32:23Speaker 3: they get straight A's.
- 32:25Speaker 2: That is some dark shit.
- 32:28Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed that one.
- 32:33Speaker 3: It's been a minute since I've seen that, but I
- 32:36Speaker 3: had it on VHS. I think that was the first
- 32:40Speaker 3: time I saw a five-foot bong.
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- 33:41Speaker 3: your life today.
- 33:43Speaker 2: Bruised up sex dolls. It is a real thing.
- 33:48Speaker 3: AI vaginas, customizable personalities, and fake bruises. The sex doll
- 33:54Speaker 3: market is booming. But does it matter how the dolls
- 33:57Speaker 3: are treated? Two weeks ago, two distressed citizens stumbled across
- 34:04Speaker 3: what they assumed was the mangled corpse of a woman
- 34:06Speaker 3: stuffed into a suitcase in a small town about three
- 34:09Speaker 3: hours south of Sydney in Australia. They called the local police,
- 34:13Speaker 3: who in turn issued a statement that a body in
- 34:14Speaker 3: a suitcase had been found. The wider public waited somberly
- 34:17Speaker 3: for Australia's tally of dead women to tick up by one.
- 34:21Speaker 3: But instead, a day later, after forensic analysis, it was
- 34:24Speaker 3: determined that the woman in question wasn't a woman at all.
- 34:27Speaker 3: It was that of a sex doll marked with fake
- 34:29Speaker 3: bruises left to rot on a lonely dirt road. In
- 34:33Speaker 3: Australia and in the UK and some other European countries,
- 34:36Speaker 3: it is not illegal to own a sex doll unless
- 34:38Speaker 3: it resembles a child. Given the doll's seemingly mature presentation,
- 34:41Speaker 3: police investigations were called off. And the sex doll trade
- 34:46Speaker 3: is flourishing. 2026 estimates global market value at $ 6. 6 billion,
- 34:53Speaker 3: with a projection that it will more than double to
- 34:56Speaker 3: over $ 13 billion by 2033. As the market booms and
- 35:01Speaker 3: involves increasingly lifelike facsimiles of women, does how these dolls
- 35:05Speaker 3: get treated matter?
- 35:09Speaker 1: No.
- 35:11Speaker 2: Okay.
- 35:14Speaker 3: A guy named Johan Fuss, who's the chair of forensic
- 35:17Speaker 3: psychiatry and sex research at the University of Duisburg-Essen, told
- 35:21Speaker 3: The Guardian that the disposability and desecration of the female
- 35:24Speaker 3: form in these contexts cannot be viewed entirely in isolation
- 35:27Speaker 3: from broader cultural hostilities toward women. It says, we currently
- 35:32Speaker 3: lack robust longitudinal data to definitively prove whether such doll
- 35:37Speaker 3: use is protective or conversely is a behavioral stepping stone
- 35:41Speaker 3: that increases real world offending risk. So in other words,
- 35:47Speaker 3: if you're bruising up your sex doll, does that mean
- 35:49Speaker 3: you're going to bruise up a real person later? Or
- 35:51Speaker 3: is bruising up your sex doll mean you're not going
- 35:53Speaker 3: to bruise up a person later?
- 35:55Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I would assume not, but I guess
- 35:58Speaker 1: I can't see the other side of it where You
- 36:00Speaker 1: might think that would lead to the real thing.
- 36:02Speaker 2: I look at it this way.
- 36:05Speaker 3: I feel like if you're going to bruise up the
- 36:08Speaker 3: sex doll and then that leads to doing it to
- 36:12Speaker 3: a person, I feel like you were going to get
- 36:13Speaker 3: to a person eventually.
- 36:15Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. I can't. And I'm sure in this day
- 36:20Speaker 1: and age where they've come up with an excuse for everything,
- 36:25Speaker 1: someone will say, but I can't see how. a sex
- 36:28Speaker 1: doll is a stepping stone to the real thing. I
- 36:31Speaker 1: think it's more of a delay.
- 36:35Speaker 2: I think it would be a delay.
- 36:36Speaker 3: I think it might be, and it might, look, it
- 36:39Speaker 3: may not completely cure the source problem, but you're right,
- 36:45Speaker 3: it might delay it. It might cause it to never
- 36:47Speaker 3: happen in the first place. I'm not a forensic psychologist
- 36:52Speaker 3: like that guy is who's talking about it. I'm just
- 36:54Speaker 3: a common sense dork. And to me, I feel like
- 37:02Speaker 3: I don't think that the doll will be the stepping stone.
- 37:04Speaker 3: I feel like it's got a better chance at either
- 37:06Speaker 3: delaying or curbing the behavior. At least carrying over to
- 37:10Speaker 3: an actual human.
- 37:11Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 37:12Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're spent on the doll, you're
- 37:15Speaker 3: not going to be roaming around looking for a person.
- 37:18Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't.
- 37:22Speaker 3: At the same time, can we stop making these AI
- 37:24Speaker 3: robots humanoid? Because, look, I'll yell at my Yuffie vacuum
- 37:29Speaker 3: cleaner all goddamn day because it's a little flat disk.
- 37:33Speaker 2: The other day I saw a humanoid robot.
- 37:37Speaker 3: Some guy pushed it and then it decided to kick
- 37:39Speaker 3: him back, which I thought was awesome.
- 37:41Speaker 2: And now they're saying there's a problem with the robot. Well,
- 37:43Speaker 2: I think there's a problem with the dude.
- 37:47Speaker 3: I have a hard time not humanizing the humanoid robot
- 37:51Speaker 3: because it looks person-ish. And so I have empathy for
- 37:55Speaker 3: it when someone's pushing it around. I feel bad for
- 37:58Speaker 3: the robot, even though I know the robot can't feel anything.
- 38:01Speaker 3: But I've also seen enough movies to think, well, that
- 38:03Speaker 3: dude's going to die.
- 38:04Speaker 1: Listen, there's a greater problem with AI robots becoming more lifelike.
- 38:08Speaker 1: And that is the reproduction rate in a lot of
- 38:12Speaker 1: first world countries has dropped to a point where it's
- 38:14Speaker 1: literally not sustainable. I think South Korea is going to
- 38:17Speaker 1: be the first one that really is going to put
- 38:19Speaker 1: it to limits that they're within like three generations of
- 38:23Speaker 1: not existing. Jesus. And some people surmise that AI robots
- 38:29Speaker 1: are going to expedite that because it's especially with men.
- 38:36Speaker 1: If you have something that's going to give them companionship
- 38:39Speaker 1: and everything they need and none of the BS....
- 38:48Speaker 2: Then we'll die off happy.
- 38:50Speaker 1: I'm not saying I do it, but I understand.
- 38:56Speaker 2: Very well said.
- 38:59Speaker 3: And last up today, what happens when a Florida man
- 39:03Speaker 3: goes skinny dipping? Now, I remember back when Tara and
- 39:09Speaker 3: I were about to buy our first house and we
- 39:12Speaker 3: were saying.
- 39:12Speaker 2: All right, we got to get a pool. And I
- 39:14Speaker 2: remember very specifically, Trey, you saying you.
- 39:16Speaker 1: Don't want a pool.
- 39:17Speaker 2: I'm like, no, Trey, I really do. We really want
- 39:18Speaker 2: a pool. And we did. We got a house, had
- 39:21Speaker 2: a pool.
- 39:21Speaker 1: Loved it.
- 39:21Speaker 2: Loved that pool. There is something you have to keep
- 39:26Speaker 2: in mind, though, when you have a pool. That is.
- 39:30Speaker 2: the attractive nuisance reality.
- 39:33Speaker 3: I forget how long ago it happened, but basically some
- 39:36Speaker 3: kid drowned in someone's pool. And it was because they
- 39:41Speaker 3: snuck into it and they drowned in the pool and
- 39:44Speaker 3: the family of the victim sued the homeowners because they
- 39:48Speaker 3: didn't have proper protections in place for their pool because
- 39:51Speaker 3: they said it was an attractive nuisance. Having the pool
- 39:55Speaker 3: was enough to draw someone in to then drown in it.
- 39:59Speaker 1: It became mandatory to have a fence around a pool. Yeah.
- 40:02Speaker 2: So... That's BS for one. That's just stupid.
- 40:09Speaker 1: But.
- 40:10Speaker 2: It is what it is.
- 40:10Speaker 3: You can't change it. So as a homeowner, you have
- 40:12Speaker 3: to keep that in mind. If you have a pool,
- 40:14Speaker 3: someone may end up in it that you don't want there.
- 40:17Speaker 3: And if you live in Florida, I now realize, because
- 40:21Speaker 3: you ever watch House Hunters and you see different homes
- 40:24Speaker 3: around the country and think, man, they look kind of weird.
- 40:26Speaker 3: Whenever you would see House Hunters on TV, the Florida
- 40:29Speaker 3: homes always had the glass domes and stuff over their pools.
- 40:34Speaker 3: I think it was mainly to keep wildlife out, like
- 40:37Speaker 3: gators and stuff.
- 40:38Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
- 40:39Speaker 2: But now you think about it, it's also a good
- 40:41Speaker 2: protection from Florida man.
- 40:42Speaker 1: Because the ocean just isn't enough.
- 40:48Speaker 2: It's not.
- 40:49Speaker 3: Look, a lot of Florida men are in the interior
- 40:51Speaker 3: of the peninsula. A 24-year-old Florida Keys man is facing
- 40:57Speaker 3: charges after deputies say they found him naked in a
- 40:59Speaker 3: private swimming pool in Marathon, Florida. They say Roshan Rakjan
- 41:05Speaker 3: was reportedly walking naked in public before deputies located him
- 41:09Speaker 3: trespassing on private property. Investigators say he was combative and
- 41:13Speaker 3: deputies used a taser to take him into custody.
- 41:15Speaker 2: I want to see that body cam.
- 41:16Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 41:17Speaker 2: I'm sorry, man. A wet, naked Florida man getting tased?
- 41:21Speaker 2: Hell yes. I need LiveLeak to come back now. I
- 41:28Speaker 2: want to see that video.
- 41:29Speaker 1: Okay.
- 41:33Speaker 2: The incident did not end there.
- 41:34Speaker 3: After being taken to the hospital, deputies say Jean bit
- 41:37Speaker 3: a sheriff's deputy on the arm, sending the deputy for
- 41:39Speaker 3: medical treatment. He now faces charges including battering on a
- 41:43Speaker 3: law enforcement officer and criminal mischief. According to the sheriff's office,
- 41:47Speaker 3: it's the second encounter involving him on the same day.
- 41:52Speaker 3: Because earlier they responded to a business where he was
- 41:54Speaker 3: reportedly acting strangely and was ordered to leave the property.
- 41:58Speaker 3: So they saw him earlier in the day and said, hey,
- 42:00Speaker 3: get out.
- 42:00Speaker 2: And he said, okay, fine.
- 42:01Speaker 1: And he left.
- 42:02Speaker 3: And then he ended up in someone's pool, butt-ass naked.
- 42:05Speaker 3: And when they pulled him out, he bit a deputy.
- 42:09Speaker 1: Meth? Bath salt? Do we have a toxicology yet?
- 42:13Speaker 3: We don't have a toxicology report yet, but you know
- 42:15Speaker 3: it's going to.
- 42:16Speaker 2: Be a good one.
- 42:17Speaker 1: Oh, you know it's a good concoction. It's not just one.
- 42:20Speaker 1: It's got them all.
- 42:21Speaker 2: It's the Florida cocktail right there. With a lime wedge.
- 42:28Speaker 2: Maybe a maraschino cherry.
- 42:31Speaker 1: A coca Libra.
- 42:37Speaker 2: A florida iced tea it's just.
- 42:39Speaker 3: The whole bar and one big gallon jug all right
- 42:42Speaker 3: thanks for hanging out with us here inside the treehouse
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