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Rugby Direct - Episode 187 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 1: with Elliott Smith and Liam Napier, powered by News Talks EDB.
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  Speaker 2: and your business to a higher level. Elligant Smith News Talks,
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  Speaker 2: heb Rugby commentator with me a voice of Canterbury Rugby,
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  Speaker 2: Nick Bewley. We've gone all Canterbury this week. Lilliam's gone
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  Speaker 2: to watch some boxing in London, so we thought let's
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  Speaker 2: go all ridd and Black and well, Nik, I know
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  Speaker 2: you've got Lord Eastern North Harbor, but this week you
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  Speaker 2: are calling the Canterbury Otago Final greetings, Welcome into Rugby
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  Speaker 2: Direct once more.
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  Speaker 3: Now please to be here, Elliott Yah. It's a special
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  Speaker 3: time in the South, isn't it. Every men's provincial trophy
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed to sit down here in the summer mid Canterbury
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  Speaker 3: win and the Meads Cup North Otago, the Lahore Cup.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Otigo got their hands on the Ranfully Shield
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  Speaker 3: and whatever which way it goes on Saturday, whether it
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  Speaker 3: will be where I am here in Canterbury or down
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  Speaker 3: south and Dunedin the MPC title, So a special time
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  Speaker 3: for rugby in this part of the country certainly is.
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  Speaker 2: And look, this is a rematch of the Ranfilly Shield
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  Speaker 2: Challenge from a few weeks ago where Otago took it
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  Speaker 2: away from Canterbury. I know you've been out to the
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  Speaker 2: Canterbury trainings this week and got amongst them and spoken
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  Speaker 2: to them about what they're expecting. But is there revenge
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  Speaker 2: utu on their mind for what happened a few weeks
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  Speaker 2: back at a Polo Project stadium.
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  Speaker 3: I certainly think it'll play its part. However, there's just
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  Speaker 3: so much history between these two proud provinces that I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it'll be totally central to Canterbury's preparation. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Marty Burke, the Canterbury coach coincidentally, this is his last
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  Speaker 3: hurrah after four years at the Helm and one as
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  Speaker 3: an assistant, so there's a bit of motivation to go
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  Speaker 3: out and high there too. But yeah, he mentioned you
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  Speaker 3: know that the Otago came up the road four or
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  Speaker 3: five weeks ago wherever whenever it was, and took something
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  Speaker 3: that they cherished a lot and really hold in the
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  Speaker 3: highest of regards, and the logger would away from them
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  Speaker 3: that certainly, I'm sure there'll be that sort of lingering
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  Speaker 3: in the background. They did mention when I went out
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  Speaker 3: to training on Tuesday that they haven't really gone back
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  Speaker 3: in great detail over that game. And really for Canterbury
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  Speaker 3: on that day, it was the last twenty minutes where
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  Speaker 3: it just fell to pieces. I was just looking at
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  Speaker 3: some of the replay footage myself just as a we reminder,
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  Speaker 3: and they're up fourteen nil after ten minutes. There was
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  Speaker 3: a point there fifty five minutes into the game just
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  Speaker 3: felt like one more try and this was really going
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  Speaker 3: to blow out for Canterbury, but Targo just eaked their
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  Speaker 3: way back into the contest. They've got game breakers, as
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  Speaker 3: we know across the park and they can score points
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  Speaker 3: very quickly and once their tails are up, which they
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  Speaker 3: were on that occasion, they're a pretty tough nut to crack,
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  Speaker 3: so it all shapes up beautifully. It's the first time
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  Speaker 3: in a really long time from a Canterbury rugby standpoint Alliott,
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  Speaker 3: that they've opened the South stand, a pollotroject stadium such
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  Speaker 3: as been. I suppose the dwindling crowds in christ Genes.
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  Speaker 2: Social commentary boxing isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: It is, which will make it fantastic because usually it's
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  Speaker 3: such a bizarre experience where we're commentating in the south
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  Speaker 3: stand and it's literally me, Matt Todd, who's going to
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  Speaker 3: be in commentary with me on Saturday afternoon, Bill Toomey
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  Speaker 3: pushing the technical buttons and the injured Cannabury plays.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: There's usually about seven or eight of us total. So
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  Speaker 3: the fact that the south stand is open is fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: And last I heard was they're hoping for in and
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  Speaker 3: around thirteen thousand, which is at least double, if not more,
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  Speaker 3: what they got for the semi final against Hawks Bay,
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  Speaker 3: which is fantastic and a real voter confidence an afternoon
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  Speaker 3: rugby as well with a four o'clock kick off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, I don't know. There well be plenty of
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  Speaker 2: people coming up from Dnetan and trying to squeeze it
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  Speaker 2: into maybe a day trip or an overnight trip for
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  Speaker 2: the final, which is you know, the wonderful thing about
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  Speaker 2: a South Island final as well, and Otigo looking to
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  Speaker 2: do what they haven't been able to do since nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight, and they have been in really impressive form
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  Speaker 2: this season. In fact, they're two you know, knockout performances.
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  Speaker 2: The quarterfinal was really tough against Waikato, but I thought
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  Speaker 2: they stretched the leagues and played some really nice rugby
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  Speaker 2: last week against a tough Bay of Plenty side and
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  Speaker 2: really didn't allow them too many chances at all. And look,
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  Speaker 2: a lot's been made of Dylan Pledger. He's been outstanding
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  Speaker 2: I think this season, and you know, it doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: to be on the verge of what many was saying
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  Speaker 2: an All Black squad didn't make the All Blacks fifteen
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  Speaker 2: in the end, but you know he's been impressive for them.
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  Speaker 2: So too Lucas Casey. But the planier that I want
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  Speaker 2: to highlight is actually cam Miller because I think in
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  Speaker 2: a way that Dylan Pledge has taken some of the
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  Speaker 2: heat off what a first five is expected to do,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what great number nine are able to do,
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  Speaker 2: is just to alleviate some of that playmaking pressure and
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  Speaker 2: put it on their own showers. But Camiller's guided this
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  Speaker 2: team around the park beautifully. I think over the last
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  Speaker 2: few weeks he was integral and that Shield Challenge. He
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  Speaker 2: was very very good last week. He's not a flashy ten,
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  Speaker 2: but he is a game driving ten that will get
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  Speaker 2: you around the park. And I have to say I've
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  Speaker 2: been really impressed by what he's been able to do
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  Speaker 2: this season. And we talk about higher on is maybe
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  Speaker 2: a little bit unlucky not to be looked at for
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  Speaker 2: that All Blacks fifteen squad. But you know that matchup
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  Speaker 2: at ten's going to be interesting on Saturday afternoon, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: With Cam Miller at ten four Otago and then Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Neustub who is very much a you know, with the
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  Speaker 2: greatest respect to makeshift ten for this Canterbury side. What
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  Speaker 2: are you expecting from that particular matchup.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fascinating one in the sense that I
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  Speaker 3: think when Marty Burke got Andrew news Tub to commit
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  Speaker 3: to Cannibre, I think this is his first fifteen's MPC
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  Speaker 3: campaign since the COVID days when there wasn't as much
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  Speaker 3: sevens around twenty twenty twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 4: It was with designs on being.
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  Speaker 3: A back utility via the bench capable of covering ten
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  Speaker 3: fullback wing at a push. In the end, Andrew Newsta
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  Speaker 3: because primarily James White has spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: out with injury, and Johnny McNicholas season ending injury as well.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew news Tops played every game primarily in the last
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  Speaker 3: month or so as the starting first five eighth, and
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  Speaker 3: while he has played a little bit of rugby there,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't seem sort of the natural fit to the
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  Speaker 3: way he wants to go about his work. He is
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  Speaker 3: playing behind a very good pack which has allowed him
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  Speaker 3: to play on that front foot and shift the ball
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  Speaker 3: out to a very experienced midfield and Dallas McLeod and
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  Speaker 3: Branden enall. But just on your points with cam Miller,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right, and he's had to do
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  Speaker 3: it the hard way, hasn't He hasn't all come at
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  Speaker 3: once on this linear line through the age groups and
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  Speaker 3: just bursting onto the scene. There's been some injury adversity,
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  Speaker 3: there's been some dips in form, but he is playing
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  Speaker 3: a very important role for the Otago side and not
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  Speaker 3: overplaying his hand as you say. He's getting plenty of
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  Speaker 3: fantastic service from this live a halfback that is Dylan Pledger,
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  Speaker 3: but he's just doing his core role really well, guiding
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  Speaker 3: the team around the park. And most importantly from a
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  Speaker 3: points accumulation perspective, goodness me, he can kick the ball
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  Speaker 3: off the tee well and truly the most efficient goalkicker
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  Speaker 3: in the NPC this season, so that'll be one to
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  Speaker 3: watch the Battle of the Tens. That just add some
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  Speaker 3: information too that James White will play via the bench.
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  Speaker 3: He's been in and out of this team with injury,
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  Speaker 3: so whether we see James White later and the second
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  Speaker 3: half of this final will be something to keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye to.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you think it will be decided to come
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  Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon four o'clock kickoff? You look at the Ford
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  Speaker 2: packs and maybe Canterbury has the edge there with with
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  Speaker 2: no disrespect to Otago's pack, but just the experience that
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  Speaker 2: Canterbury is able to call on. But for me, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there's much between these two sides. You look
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  Speaker 2: at the man for man and you know there's some
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  Speaker 2: international experience that the way of Canterbury Otago's got, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like Sir Christian Leo Willi is there Viace camp To
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  Speaker 2: who's already played Test rugby this year. So for me,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a real toss up game. Where are
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  Speaker 2: you expecting it to be? Decided comes Saturday afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, big time, big time toss up game. And I
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  Speaker 3: think it can't be understated too. I know Marty Burke
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  Speaker 3: was trying his utmost in the Tuesday media to say
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  Speaker 3: the game wouldn't be determined by not having George Bell
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  Speaker 3: and Sam Dowry available, But those two have been up
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  Speaker 3: there with Canterbury's best, perhaps alongside Tom Christie in the
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  Speaker 3: last month. The way George Bell has come back from
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  Speaker 3: injuries thoroughly deserved his elevation back into the All Blacks
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  Speaker 3: after an injury interrupted campaign at the beginning of the year,
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  Speaker 3: the way he's carrying the ball, his accuracy at lineout time,
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  Speaker 3: and Sam Dowry for a large part of the NPC season.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, he might still sit at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the Dwayne Monkly Metal standing, such was his ability in
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  Speaker 3: and around both sides of the ball again at set Peace.
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  Speaker 3: So my understanding is obviously Brody McAllister comes back in
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  Speaker 3: who George Bell effectively unseen out of that All Blacks
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  Speaker 3: in the year tour squad, and he'll have a point
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  Speaker 3: to prove, no doubt, and it'll be a big opportunity
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  Speaker 3: for Brodie McAllister before that All Blacks fifteen tour, Liam
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  Speaker 3: Jack getting the start with no Sam Darry. It's cliched, Elliott,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it does start up front and Canterbury's
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  Speaker 3: ability to just have a stranglehold on an opposition team.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they did to Hawk's Bay, That's what they
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  Speaker 3: did the eventually an extra time to County's Medicale when
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  Speaker 3: the going got really tough there. A lot of teams
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  Speaker 3: have come down here to christ Church and been confident
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  Speaker 3: of getting a result, and for whatever reason, Canterbury's ability
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  Speaker 3: to just suffocate and scramble. What when it looks like
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  Speaker 3: they're going to break, you know, they find another gear.
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  Speaker 3: Otago the only team to hand them a loss this season,
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  Speaker 3: So if anyone can do it, it'll be them. But
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  Speaker 3: they'll have to be just as good as they were
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  Speaker 3: last month when they won that Ranfhilly Shield match.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely look you touched on it before. With Brodie McAllister
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  Speaker 2: expected to come back in but not All Blacks for Canterbury.
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  Speaker 2: They won't be able to call on George Bell or
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  Speaker 2: Sam Dowry for this match. They've been so integral to
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  Speaker 2: them this season. It doesn't sound like Marty boot push
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  Speaker 2: that hard to have them included. They were always the
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  Speaker 2: All Blacks flying out on Friday out of Auckland and
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  Speaker 2: for this end of year tour. Great to have both
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  Speaker 2: those players call back in, but it was always going
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  Speaker 2: to be unlikely that they'll be released to the final
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  Speaker 2: and fly you know, a day or forty eight hours later,
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  Speaker 2: especially given the injuries to the All Blacks locks, which
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  Speaker 2: is where obviously Sam Darry slides in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's a little bit disappointing, I must say,
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  Speaker 3: especially given you know, these are guys who have been
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  Speaker 3: called back in. It's not like they were involved in
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  Speaker 3: the in the Rugby Championship mix. However, I can completely
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  Speaker 3: understand it as you o line there, Elliott, particularly in
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  Speaker 3: the locking department. There's a real chance that that Sam
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  Speaker 3: Dowry might have to provide lock and cover via the
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  Speaker 3: bench against Ireland in Chicago next week behind Scott Barrett
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  Speaker 3: and and Fabian Holland. You're not going to travel all
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  Speaker 3: the way to Chicago without a third Hoker either, just
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  Speaker 3: in case something happens to Cody Taylor or Samasoni Tokyaho.
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  Speaker 4: So look, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: And as I say, Brady mcallis to two tests for
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks this year. Pretty handy replacement and I've
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  Speaker 3: been very impressed to when Liam Jack has had his
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  Speaker 3: opportunities starting for this Canterbury team. So you know, that's
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  Speaker 3: why you have a squad of thirty odd plus because
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  Speaker 3: you never know exactly when you might need to call
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  Speaker 3: upon them.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely that game four o'clock on Saturday afternoon, as a
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  Speaker 2: Neck out lined, he's got the call on gold Sport
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  Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. Speaking of squads, Super Rugby squads, Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is a story that you had this morning across news talks.
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  Speaker 2: He'd be around some changes to the Super Rugby contracting
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  Speaker 2: system for twenty twenty six and beyond that, teams can
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  Speaker 2: now contract twelve wider training group members. There are some
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  Speaker 2: cavigates that they can't be called upon necessarily or thrust
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  Speaker 2: straight into playing. But an interesting story and some you know,
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  Speaker 2: a wee bit of an overhaul because pathways has been
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  Speaker 2: quite a hot topic in recent times and they're making
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  Speaker 2: some significant significant changes. As you outline your stories this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was quite a lot to unpack out of
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  Speaker 3: this one Elliott's and of course this is part of
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  Speaker 3: a wider project or review that you might hear some
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby people terms IMPAC that the men's Pathways
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  Speaker 3: and Competitions Project, and yeah, as we reported on news Talks,
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  Speaker 3: he'd be earlier this morning. A change in that wider
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  Speaker 3: Training group contracting mix. So usually it's been in and
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  Speaker 3: around five or six wider Training Group members. That number
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  Speaker 3: is effectively going to double out to a maximum of twelve,
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  Speaker 3: So there's no change, I should stress there's no change
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  Speaker 3: to how many you can fully contract at a New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Super Rugby team that remains at thirty eight but
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  Speaker 3: now effectively thirty eight and twelve you get to fifty
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  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of numbers and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: males to feed, so to speak. As you mentioned, there's
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  Speaker 3: some caveats along the way. The wider Training Group members
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  Speaker 3: can't be available for selection unless they're called upon as
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  Speaker 3: an injury replacement to a fully contracted player. They have
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  Speaker 3: to be at least twenty years old, so there is
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  Speaker 3: some questions there too as to where some of our youngest,
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  Speaker 3: brightest prospects under the age of twenty are going to land.
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  Speaker 3: There's a greater alignment with the local provincial unions in
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  Speaker 3: the sense that up to six of the twelve, say
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  Speaker 3: for Crusaders for example, they'll get sort of first crack
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  Speaker 3: at up to six Canterbury and or Tasman players before
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  Speaker 3: then launching into a draft for those sort of final
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  Speaker 3: spots of the wider training group. And on top of
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  Speaker 3: this as well, again, if you're still with me, good
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  Speaker 3: on you. But one of the interesting layers to this too,
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  Speaker 3: with all this around, having all these extra players, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how are they going to get some meaningful rugby when
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  Speaker 3: they're not picked in the early rounds of Super Rugby
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  Speaker 3: while we wait for the club rugby season to kick
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  Speaker 3: in to gear sort of middle of April now. Mike Anthony,
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  Speaker 3: who has spoke to for this story from New Zealand Rugby,
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  Speaker 3: said they are going to have a more structured development competition,
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  Speaker 3: a more structured second tier competition. It's sort of like
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  Speaker 3: back to the future for teams like the Crusader Knights.
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  Speaker 3: But the caveat there is they can't do everything, and
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  Speaker 3: they're going to pull some resourcing away from the under
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  Speaker 3: twenty Super tournament that has annually been held in Topoor
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  Speaker 3: and that will no longer be on the schedule for
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six quite a bit to unpack, some a
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  Speaker 3: fear bit of moving in and around, but this is something
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  Speaker 3: the five New Zealand franchises fed back to New Zealand Rugby.
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  Speaker 3: By and large it wasn't it was termed as me
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  Speaker 3: as not universal support, but they've got what more or
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  Speaker 3: less they're after rather than parachuting and replacement players. I
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  Speaker 3: think of guys like John I Foller, a couple of
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  Speaker 3: three years ag Go, all of a sudden out of
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  Speaker 3: absolutely nowhere, was called into a crusader's squad because of
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  Speaker 3: several injuries in the front row. These guys are now
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  Speaker 3: going to be fully immersed from pre season next month,
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  Speaker 3: and should there be injuries, which we know there will be,
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  Speaker 3: they can be called upon and there's a lot more
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  Speaker 3: insurance policy I suppose you can say for the five
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand teams right here in New Zone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, really interesting changes. So two hundred and fifty essentially
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  Speaker 2: contracted players as part of this Malwana incidentally separate because
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  Speaker 2: they don't fall under that New Zealand Rugby or the
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  Speaker 2: five Foundation club framework. But by and large I think
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  Speaker 2: these changes are the right move and you can see
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  Speaker 2: some more respecting put on the pathways. We've seen players
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  Speaker 2: you know, jump around different franchise even if they didn't
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  Speaker 2: get game time. They're sort of popped up at training,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for two or three franchises a season to
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  Speaker 2: help out and boost numbers. Whether it's a specialist role
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  Speaker 2: like a half back or something like that, there's often
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  Speaker 2: been players that have jumped around franchises to fill in
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  Speaker 2: that sort of role. So I think having it locked
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  Speaker 2: in and you know, a clearer idea of these pathways
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  Speaker 2: can only be a good thing for Super Rugby. I
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  Speaker 2: do think there are still some major issues around what
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  Speaker 2: the NPC pathway is versus the Super Rugby pathway. It
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  Speaker 2: was interesting to see Harry Inch's comments sort of around
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  Speaker 2: the you know, not his comment specifically, but there was
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  Speaker 2: some intimation around the pathway system. So I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's entirely cleared up by this, But if you're a
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  Speaker 2: young player, the path the Super Rugby is a lot
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  Speaker 2: clearer maybe than it was, you know, before these changes
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  Speaker 2: were made.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and with these wider training group contracts that these
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  Speaker 3: fringe players will sign, that there will be a PU
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  Speaker 3: or an NPC contract that goes hand in hand with that. Yeah. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I think on the whole too, I'm with you Elliott.
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  Speaker 3: I think the fact there'll be full immersion it helps
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  Speaker 3: all the super rugby teams from that perspective, getting players
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  Speaker 3: involved intricately within a super rugby environment, it's going to
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: create extra playing the cross all positions. Part of the
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: push that Mike Anthony mentioned to me as part of
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: the story is that of the twelve should have all
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: those main positions covered within that twelve and it will
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: probably detract from players who don't get caught in that
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: first round of the of the fully fledged contracts from
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: looking out looking at overseas, sorry, looking at an email
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: r in the United States, looking at you know, that
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: shoot shield in Australia for example.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: So I think on the whole it's going to work.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: There will be some people that question why they had
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: to go away from the Super Rugby Under twenty tournaments,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: which has helped them pick a New Zealand under twenty
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: squad for the World Championships and the like. But that
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Super Rugby Under twenty tournament hasn't been there, you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: way back when you know you've picked out of out
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: of club form, you picked out of training camps. So yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: it'll be it'll be interesting to see how it works
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: in practice. And I think what we're going to see
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: as a fan and of members of the media covering rugby,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Elliott is we're going to start to see a little
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: bit more player movement and just understanding the player depth
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: in each of these five new Zealand rugby teams. I've
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: already seen in the last couple of weeks. Eli Oden
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Ryan for example, has signed a contract where it's wider
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: training group for the Blues for twenty six into a
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: full contract for twenty seven. Lucas Casey for example, out
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: of Otago we were talking about before, he's got a
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: wider training group deal with the Highlanders. He's part of
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: their local six for twenty twenty six. So yeah, we're
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: going to start seeing because usually these full contracts are
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: so on up so far in advance, because you know
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: when basically twelve months in advance before players come off contract.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But we are going to see, yeah, a little bit
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: more movement, which I think.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Is good for the game. I think it is good
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: for the game. I've been advocate for maybe having protected
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: players like they used to back in the old days.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Now with that would still work in twenty twenty five,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: twenty six, So I don't know, but protecting a certain
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: number of players, then you can pick a certain number
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: out of the draft. But there's a bit of a
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: balance here in terms of that and giving opportunities to
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: players that might put their hands up in the NPC
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: as well, that come out of nowhere, really have been
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: under the radar or on the radar, and then have
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: a booming NPC season. There is going to be room
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: for that for players to be drafted in. Now. Another
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: story that you had today, Oli Mathis, who's been the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: talk of the NPC and New Zealand rugby for a
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: couple of seasons. Now hasn't hit played Super rugby, but
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: this hybrid player who can play flanker and wing, you've
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: got some news around where he might be going for
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it was sort of a byproduct of this
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: discussion around the wider training group contracts that got some
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: information that the Crusaders have secured the services of Oli Mathis.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: There's been a real tug of war between the Crusaders
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and the Chiefs. Of course, oly Mathis plays as provincial
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: rugby for Wakato. He hasn't played Super Raby, as he
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: mentioned now he's been in the All Black sevens environment,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: but certainly one of the country's top prospects and as
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you say, that ability to be equally adept at both
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: flanker and wing a real prospect indeed. But yeah, it
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: is my understanding he spent some time down here during
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: the Crusaders Super Ragby campaign that was earlier in the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: year as an injury replacement or as injury training cover
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: at the time for Ethan Blackadder, and it is yet
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: my understanding. We're reporting today that Oli Mathis will be
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: one of those wider training group members for the Crusaders
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, so that doesn't necessarily mean he
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: will play for the Crusaders next year. However, for those
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: who are unaware haven't been following the NBC as closely
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: on the Crusader's books, Cullen Grace, Corey Callow and Ethan
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Blackadder up and Tasman, all of whom have sat out
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: almost all of the NPC with season ending injuries, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: all of them play in the loose forward position. So
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: there is a likelihood of a possibility that Oli Mathis
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: could play some early rounds of of Super Rugby next
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: year in a Crusaders jersey. And he's just the latest
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and a long line of Hamilton Boys alumni that all
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of a sudden have found found homes here in Crusaders country.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Noah Hothem, Taima, Taylor Cahill. It's a yeah, it's been interesting.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I suppose that's just the professional rugby way these days,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Indeed, that's an interesting point. If let's say, for example,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Oli Mathis does play those opening rounds of the NBC
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and plays the house down and then the fit again
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: flankers come back into the reckoning. Does he didn't have
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to be dropped? Or do you go with the hot hand?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's going to be interesting test of the system
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: as to whether they're allowed to keep playing this wider
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: training group player if he's you know, shooting the lights
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: out for four or five games in a row and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you know in irrepressible form, surely coaches aren't going to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: drop the informed player for a fit again player that's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: coming back.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is going to be one to watch, as
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I say, one, you know, like like change, there's gonna
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: be probably some some some teasing issues, and I do
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: wonder in terms of keeping the integrity of what's been
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: outlaid as all the sort of rules and stipulations that
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: there isn't going to be any sort of you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: hypothetical situations.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: But he isn't. He's still quite injured, but actually he's not.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: So we'll keep playing, as you say, with the hot
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: hand of the guy on the wider training group contract.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But it's certainly New Zealand Rugby's intention for the thirty
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: eight players from each of the five New Zealand franchises
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: who are fully contracted to be first cabs off the rank.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, I think we might see maybe
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: one or two scenarios like that play out next year,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: particularly as we know with you know, head injuries one
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: week out, does that mean you can elevate a playoff
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: that just one week? Does it need to be a
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: bit more on the medium to long term. There's still
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: a little bit to be worked through, But yeah, we
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: want to follow next year for sure.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It will be indeed in Super Rugby squads out November,
• 23:02
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• 23:04
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  Speaker 2: a higher level. Rugby's greatest rivalry finally confirmed last week, Nick,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: this has been the offering for well, I think about
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: two and a half years since it was first reported.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It's been pretty much an open secret that it's going
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to be happening. There was a fair bit of detail
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to hammer out, not least with the likes of the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: rest of the SANS unions, but for tour matches, for
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: tests one outside of South Africa. I was going to
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: ask you for your initial reaction, but you probably had
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a couple of years to stew over it. So what's
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: your your thoughts on on how this has all played
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: out and you know, having a tour return to the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: international schedule.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, on principle, I'm a huge fan and I
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: suppose I'm revealing my age here, but I was two
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: years old when the All Blacks toured South Africa nineteen
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: ninety six. So these are memories I've really only seen
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: on YouTube and the likes since. But you know, you
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: hear from your Shawn Fitzpatrick's and you're justin Marshall's about
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: how high they hold that successful tour, and you can't
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: help but be excited about the prospect of the All
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Blacks potentially being able to do something similar thirty years on.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I can't help but feel, just as a lot of
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: people have sort of mentioned, just as were started to
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: get into a real position of competitiveness with the Rugby Championship,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: that it is unfortunate timing, if anything, that we're going
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: to park the Rugby Championship for a year. It just
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: felt like there was some a real groundswell of momentum
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: each and every weekend you'd go in and you wouldn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: know who would beat who. However, I think, yeah, as
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I say, i'd touch on my first point and that
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: getting the tours back and the spring Box are our
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: greatest rival. I'm very excited about it and midweek games
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: and the like. I remember Scott Robinson was in town
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: here a couple of weeks ago talking about the All
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Blacks End of Year tour squad that had just named
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and the All Blacks fifteen squad, he mentioned to the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: assembled media, then he'd look to take about forty players.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So we're going to rarely see where Scott Robinson is
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: at too in the third year of the World Cup cycle,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and what better test than to put yourself up against
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the double world champions.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it ends up with the All Blacks
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: having seventeen games next year when you incorporate those tour
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: games as well. So it's a big workload, but I
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: think it is. It's a big test a year out
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: from the World Cup, but it's going to put through
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the ringer. They're going to have to test their depth
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: chart out a little bit. And look, I think it's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a real win for Tea strugby. I would have loved
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to see Australia tour Argentina Oral vice versa. At the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: same time, it may not have the same rivalry necessarily
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: those two teams, but if we can bring back tours,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and I remember the nine ninety six tour quite clearly,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you know, and how important that was and it was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: seen as the last chance before professional rugby really took
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: hold in the Try Nations, you know, the last chance
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to actually win a series on South African selt soil.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Now thirty years later, you know a new generation of
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: players is getting that opportunity. The Rugby Championship initially wasn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: going to be in for twenty twenty eight. They were
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: looking at other options, maybe around the All Blacks touring
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Australia for three tests and also during Argentina for three
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Tests as well. Then because of this year's Rugby Championship,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: they've walked that back a little bit and implemented the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Rugby Championship again. So we'll have a full Rugby Championship
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty eight and twenty nine, so I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: think there's a nice balance there, and then twenty thirty
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: South Africa come to New Zealand and play those matches here.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So look, I think the Rugby Championship have got a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: little bit style and this year is was really exciting,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: really good. But if you can have it three years
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: out of four and then have something different in that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: fourth year, I think you've got a pretty good balance
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: by and larger across the international rugby calendar.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So remind me what are the Wallabies and the Permas
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: doing next year? They're going to welcome some Northern Hemisphere opposition.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they're going to play each other in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a couple of tests. I think the Japan's going to
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: go to Australia as well. But basically, if you're the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: All Blacks, that the year looks a bit like this.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So you have those three Nations Cup games or Nations
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Championship games in July, and it's going to be France, Ireland, Italy.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: My understanding that they'll come in July and play in
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: New Zealand, so no more three year tours at least
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in those years, and then there'll be a couple of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: weeks the All Blacks will go up to South Africa
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: for that six seven week tour, a couple of weeks
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: break after that, they'll play a Bledislow home away in
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: early October, and then a couple more weeks break and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: then the quote unquote interview two. It's really the second
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: part of the Nation's Championship where they'll play those other
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: six nation sides and then a finals weekend in London.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So that's how you arrive at your seventeen games to
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the Lakes next year.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And you mentioned that we'd stale there, Elliott, and I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: think you know you hear some players talk about not
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: necessarily it being monotonous, but that's sort of you know that,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you know the July series is coming. You know exactly
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: what a rugby championship is. By now, with the greatest respect,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you know what an.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: End of year tour is.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I think variety for the player is going to help
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: perhaps from a retention standpoint as opposed to just all
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: our contracting peraps being centered around that four year cycle
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: of a World Cup. And I think for the fan too, yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: As I say, like it's a little bit of a
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: just unfortunate timing with how good the rugby Championship was
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: this year, But I think something different on the program
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: can only be of benefit to the game at the
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: moment when you know there are some underlying issues elsewhere.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we'll get to the point very soon.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure maybe the next high profile player that
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: signed with New Zealand Rugby will be signed through until
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty because Damian McKenzie last year signed through or
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: earlier this year signed through to twenty twenty nine. That
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: encompasses the Lions Tour. So if you're a player that's
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a pois to resign and I think most of, if
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: not all, the All Blacks maybe but Finlay Christia have
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: resigned for next year at least anyway, But those players
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: ending twenty twenty six will now have you know that
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: South African tour next year, a World Cup in twenty seven,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to look at a Lions tour in twenty nine, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: if they're still young enough and fit enough twenty thirty
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: when South Africa come here for that tour as well,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: could well be on the cards. So you're presenting a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: pretty compelling I think, four or five years worth of
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: rugby fixtures to not going to get that in the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: three sixty No, No, I mean, are three sixty has
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: other benefits? Of course, you know you can play for
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: or whatever the do buy dolphins exactly, the do buy dolphins.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You know it's got other benefits, but you can't get
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: that in our three sixty three. A very good point.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: The other point before we wrap up, and Gregor Paul's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: written about this in the Herald Today and opinion piece,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: is that South Africa is pushing for the Rugby Championship
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to be moved to February March, and Australia's thought to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: be keen relatively keen as well. Gives them a bit
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: of clear ear before the AFL and NRL seasons get
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: into full swinging. I think Argentina would probably go along
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: with it, till I'm not entirely sure of their position.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby has been reported as the holdout. I'll
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: put it to Mark Robinson last week when I spoke
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to him, and they're not entirely against the idea, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: it'd be a fundamental reshaping of the calendar as we
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: know in New Zealand rugby. If you were to start
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: or play, you know, six NA Rugby Championship in that
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: same window as the Six Nations across February and March,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you'd have to change Super Rugby where you already played
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Super Rugby early and started in January. I don't know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: but it's I can see why it's appealing to South
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Africa given some of their players come around the globe.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sold on it though. Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: There looks like a fair bit of work that would
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: have to go into it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I'm even just thinking out loud here from a broadcast standpoint,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: what does that mean for the will almost be a
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: vacuum of volume when we're usually right in the middle
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of rugby, and from a content perspective, look, I can
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: see the merits behind it, and I'm sure from a
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I know we're getting a fancy new stadium opening in
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: April next year, Elliot, but going along to rugby and
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the winter can be a bit of a struggle for
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: the punters. You know, those early rounds of Super Rugby
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: are pretty well supported. So if all of a sudden
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: that was international rugby in February or March here in
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: New Zealand, I think that would still be very well supported.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: But as you say, it would be quite a structural
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: upheaval from what we've known for the last two plus decades.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot of changing, isn't there. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I mean you said that you talk to Mark Robinson's
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: going to have a new New Zealand Rugby CEO probably
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: to make that decision.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: You watch the space on that front, and I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: watch the space on yeah, the movement as well. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: think there'll be more discussions when the Sans Unions meets
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: at World Rugby in November as well, so not too
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: far away and might be a bit more movement on
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that front too. So we will watch the space. But Nick,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: look forward to your commentary on Saturday afternoon Canterbury, O
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: target should be a cracker. As I said, gold Sport
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio have a great call and enjoy the occasion.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I was going to say it's your last dance at
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a Pier Project stadium, but as we know, not quite.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: The Crusaders are back for more next year.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: They can't help themselves. They love the place. It's been
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: great to jump on.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: That is Rugby directful another week. We'll be back late
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: next week, sole bit of a break, but myself and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Lean once we get to Chicago, will sit down, once
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the team's a name for the All Blanks and Island game,
• 33:01
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