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Gordie Chiesa on the Utah Jazz keeping their draft pick, Rudy's defensive brilliance against Jokic, Wemby first unanimous DPOY + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk with Steve for his List
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  Speaker 2: of the day My list today. Here's oc with Basketball
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  Speaker 2: savon Gordon Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 1: Can always great to check in with our NBA guru,
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  Speaker 1: mister gordchies That joins us now on the phones. Gordia,
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  Speaker 1: how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, I'm doing well, Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: NBA playoffs underway. We'll get to that here in just
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  Speaker 1: a second. But the good news yesterday in Salt Lake
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  Speaker 1: City was that the Utah Jazz win the coin flip
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  Speaker 1: and there's no mathematical possibility for them to lose that
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  Speaker 1: first round pick. The It was not likely anyway, but
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  Speaker 1: they beat the Sacramento Kings via coin flip and now
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  Speaker 1: they will They will pick no lower than eighth in
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  Speaker 1: this upcoming draft. How much concern was there still in
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  Speaker 1: the building that you know, you could possibly get as
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  Speaker 1: unlucky as you would have to be in order to
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  Speaker 1: lose it.
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  Speaker 3: It's concerning. Absolutely, it was. And thank god the lottery
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  Speaker 3: regards so far helped the Jets because last year didn't
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  Speaker 3: work out that way. So the Jets are guaranteed to
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  Speaker 3: pick No. No higher than ever eight. So which but
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  Speaker 3: just say the lottery regards are good too, just that
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  Speaker 3: there's no as far as the team's jumping in. As
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  Speaker 3: far as the head of the Jazz, the Jazz probably
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  Speaker 3: going to pick number four, so they're staring right out
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  Speaker 3: either they're staring right out Caleb Wilson the running four
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  Speaker 3: men from North Carolina. So the way the drafts should
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  Speaker 3: reach Sean probably number one ag deband said from b Yu,
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  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson from Kansas, Cam Boos from Duke and for
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Wilson from North Carolina and five, six, seven, and
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  Speaker 3: in any order to debate, this could be Darius Acuff
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  Speaker 3: from the Arkansas point guard who's very talented, Michael Brown
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  Speaker 3: of a Combo, Gardon Yersey Louisville, Keaton No Wagler, a
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  Speaker 3: shooting guard from Illinois, and Kingston Fleming, a point guard
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  Speaker 3: from Houston. Those are probably the eight that are going
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  Speaker 3: to be there, so that Ja's going to take probably
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  Speaker 3: one of those eight guys, which is good.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say they land somewhere between four and eight. Is
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  Speaker 1: it best player available? Are they drafting positionally knowing that
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  Speaker 1: they've got their core mostly sorted out?
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  Speaker 3: Best player available? But again it's going to be Caleb
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  Speaker 3: Wilson or Cam Booser and that would sound blasphemy. Just
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  Speaker 3: kick Taylor Wilson get hurt. He's like, there's running jumping
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  Speaker 3: jack forward that's got unbelievable talent and he runs the
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  Speaker 3: court and he's all is a winning game. And so
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  Speaker 3: he broke his wrists Carolina back in early February, so
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  Speaker 3: it's almost like out of sight, out of mind, and
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  Speaker 3: so and Cam Booze. We know about Boozer that he's
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  Speaker 3: a tremendous all around player. He knows how to play.
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  Speaker 3: So after the first four then it's based on again,
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  Speaker 3: these guys are all point guards or combination guards, so
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be based on who's on your roster
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  Speaker 3: already generally speaking, Sean. After the first ten, then you
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  Speaker 3: take the best player available, I mean other three the
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  Speaker 3: positionue wise, but one through ten it would be just
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  Speaker 3: based on talent.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to these NBA playoffs here, any
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  Speaker 1: any big surprises for you so far. We've had some
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  Speaker 1: lopsided victories, We've had some hard fought, close games. We've
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of upsets already, although no series is over,
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  Speaker 1: just individual game upsets. Has there been a big surprise
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  Speaker 1: for you so far in these playoffs?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Magic. The magic, We're out for the count
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  Speaker 3: the whole season. They got healthy and they got more focus,
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  Speaker 3: and they took it right to the first place. Detroit
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  Speaker 3: Pistons took it right at him. And so the eighth seed,
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  Speaker 3: the Land of Magic, really outplayed out for really out
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  Speaker 3: physical the Detroit Pistons, and I will see if the
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  Speaker 3: Pistons can respond to that. And that that was a
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  Speaker 3: surprising in a good way. And also I'm surprised in
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  Speaker 3: a way where the Nikobockers lost last night at home
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  Speaker 3: to the Hawks, of how they allowed TJ McCollum, who's
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  Speaker 3: really a good player, but had they had no answer
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  Speaker 3: to him as far as guarding them. And Nick can
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  Speaker 3: only scored fifteen points in the fourth quarter last night
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  Speaker 3: at home, and that's really disturbing if you're a Nick fan.
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  Speaker 1: As long as we're talking Eastern Conference playoffs, the Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: Cavaliers are up two to zero on the Raptors right now,
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  Speaker 1: and Donovan Mitchell, the former jazz Man, is playing well.
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  Speaker 3: Yes he is. He's playing tremendous again. Donnan Mitchell's out
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  Speaker 3: of sights, out of mind. But do you remember how
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  Speaker 3: will he played here in sal Lake City in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: He's having this year just quickly, thirty one points per
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  Speaker 3: game in the first two games, five rebounds, four point
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  Speaker 3: five assists, and shooting fifty five eighth from the field
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  Speaker 3: and forty seven to one from threes eight for seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the point about Donovan Mitchell's really brilliant, Sean.
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  Speaker 3: He's sixth all time in the NBA playoff history for
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  Speaker 3: most points average per game. He's habiting for nine years.
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  Speaker 3: He's played in sixty five playoff games. He's averaging twenty
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  Speaker 3: eight point four points per game, which is amazing. The
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  Speaker 3: only guy's better than him in playoff basketball averaging points
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  Speaker 3: per game are number five Jerry West, number four, Kevin Durant,
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  Speaker 3: number three, Iverson, number two, look at dantage and number
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  Speaker 3: one player in averaging points per game is Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 3: at thirty three point four. That's how good Donin Mitchell
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  Speaker 3: is in a playoff game where he can manufacture points
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  Speaker 3: and he's a good playmaker, and he's fearless in the game,
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  Speaker 3: and that's really impressive what he's doing with the Caps
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of former Jazz Men who have played well in
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  Speaker 1: these playoffs, Rudy Gobert put his defensive prowess on display
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  Speaker 1: once again, this time in an important matchup. He shut
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  Speaker 1: down Joker in the fourth quarter and allowed his team
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  Speaker 1: to kind of push through because of it. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you hear the headlines about all I felt disrespected. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a finalist for Defensive Player of the Year, and
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  Speaker 1: I know we love the soaprop opera involved in that.
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  Speaker 1: But more interestingly is the fact that you can there's
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  Speaker 1: a handful of guys if that in the NBA that
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  Speaker 1: can cause that level of problem for Nicole Jokic, and
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  Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert is obviously one.
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  Speaker 3: Of them, very much and showing what he did during
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  Speaker 3: that game, especially in the fourth quarter, and for if
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  Speaker 3: you're a Nuggets fan, Jamal Murray, who's a tremendous scorer,
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  Speaker 3: and Nikolai Jokic, they shot two for twelve in the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter and they lost that lead, and that was
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  Speaker 3: a devastating for your if you're a Nuggets uh fan.
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  Speaker 3: Now for the t Roves, it was a great comeback
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  Speaker 3: for them. As far as the rally, Rudy Gobert what
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  Speaker 3: he did against Jokic. They kept on single coverage and
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  Speaker 3: we call it numbers on numbers, chest on chests. Jokic
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  Speaker 3: hit the visual. He always seemed like back and down
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  Speaker 3: on that slow we called crab dribble to make plays.
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  Speaker 3: And what Rudy did was he stayed, He stayed up
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  Speaker 3: and stayed down where he was. He was underground and
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  Speaker 3: he used his chest to leverage and Jokic had a
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  Speaker 3: hard time getting around him. And then when Jokic, we
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  Speaker 3: know it's spectacular creating these off balanced shots, Rudy was
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  Speaker 3: the second jumper and he challenged them and so he
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  Speaker 3: was able to him. Playing yokas one on one, he
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  Speaker 3: cut down Yoga's scoring. But also those rocket passes to
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  Speaker 3: his teammates for open threes, and that was a big
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  Speaker 3: factor of them a rallying the t Wolves and Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Edwards in that game. Also after that, he refused to
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  Speaker 3: lose that he kept on driving a ball to the
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  Speaker 3: basket in a Downhill and the Nuggets had no answers
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  Speaker 3: to him, and also Julius Randall, this should be a
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  Speaker 3: great series one to one, two really excellent teams, also
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  Speaker 3: showing they don't like each other, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: which is always fun to have the t Wolves and
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  Speaker 3: the Nuggets don't like each other.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know the addage in combat sports, Gordian's styles
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  Speaker 1: make fights, and when you have the bodies that can
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  Speaker 1: negate something that's massively important for Denver, it creates a
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  Speaker 1: wholly different matchup. Is this Minnesota team almost specifically built
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  Speaker 1: to take out a team like Denver because nobody else
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  Speaker 1: can shut down the Joker, but minnesot It kind of can,
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  Speaker 1: as we saw.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be really a tremendous series. Now, whoever comes out of
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  Speaker 3: the series, we battle tested. So I always talk about
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  Speaker 3: it that this NBA Playoffs, this is hard, Like this
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  Speaker 3: is really hard and credible that you have to be
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  Speaker 3: a tough minded and usually speaking, it's not based on
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  Speaker 3: schematics or schemes. It's based on how tough you are
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  Speaker 3: and how you value each possession, and so the t
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  Speaker 3: Wulves have a bunch of guy that can get baskets
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  Speaker 3: against good defense, and they have they have a rug,
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  Speaker 3: they have a rugged core. Like say Davissenzo, who's the
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  Speaker 3: point guard. Now he's like rugged, So suddenly you know
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  Speaker 3: he's trying to slow down Jamal Murray, McDaniels, are trying
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  Speaker 3: to slow down Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown. These are
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  Speaker 3: all guys that are defensive minded, that are can score
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  Speaker 3: the ball. So it's gonna be a's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: great series, very similar to also show another good series.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be the Lakers versus the Rockets.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get there. Yeah, if I tell you
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  Speaker 1: Gordy or any NBA fan out there that the starting
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  Speaker 1: lineup for a playoff team is going to be Ruy Hachimura,
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  Speaker 1: DeAndre Ay and Marcus Smart, Luke Canard and somebody else,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying that team's probably going to lose in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: But when you have Lebron James as that guy, it
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  Speaker 1: changes things significantly. Nineteen points, thirteen assists. He had eight
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  Speaker 1: defensive rebounds. That was the same He didn't have any
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  Speaker 1: offensive rebounds in the game, so nearly a triple double
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  Speaker 1: for Lebron's he's my age, Gordy, and he's still doing
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  Speaker 1: it at this level. Can he continue through a playoff series,
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  Speaker 1: even one and drag this team to a victory over
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  Speaker 1: the Rockets.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, especially if Kevin Durant doesn't play. Durant had the
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  Speaker 3: right knee contrusion, did not play in game one. In
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  Speaker 3: game two, which is tonight at tonight that we don't
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  Speaker 3: know if he's gonna play not. We'll see it as
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  Speaker 3: far as if he's gonna try to warm up and
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  Speaker 3: then take it from there. The answers yes, And also
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  Speaker 3: Sean's alluding to you know, Sean O'Connell is a very
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  Speaker 3: also young man. He's only age forty one, all right,
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  Speaker 3: So Sean to get the ability of you and Lebron
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  Speaker 3: James in the same sentence.
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  Speaker 1: I love it anytime I could put myself next to
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  Speaker 1: Lebron for comparison, it's a good thing for me.
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  Speaker 3: I like it. Speaking of that Luke cannot they traded
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  Speaker 3: for him, left handed, knockdown shooter twenty seven points, and
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  Speaker 3: so now in a double team Lebron, they have a
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  Speaker 3: reliable shooter on perimeter. Remember the Lakers are playing without
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  Speaker 3: Luka Dantch he's not there right now and that's affected them,
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  Speaker 3: and also Austin Reeves. But Sir Luke Conot is this
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  Speaker 3: guy that's a southpoor, very sean, very similar to you.
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  Speaker 3: Also you're a south paw. Well you're in the same
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  Speaker 3: sentence also, and that these guys he can making open shot.
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  Speaker 3: He made five threes right out of miss and the
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  Speaker 3: less time a Laker player in a playoff game made
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  Speaker 3: five three point shots without missing him he went five
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  Speaker 3: to five in the game. Was Robert Horry back in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Gordy Chase is our guest here on the Sean
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  Speaker 1: O'Connell show, our NBA guru for a couple more minutes. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Victor wen Binyama unanimous Defensive Player of the Year for
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  Speaker 1: the first time. How many more of these is going
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  Speaker 1: to win in his career?
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  Speaker 3: Fifteen? Yeah? Fifteen yeah, fifteen? I could be a low bowling. Also,
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  Speaker 3: Victor web Byamba is like a generational talent, and you
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  Speaker 3: get this feeling like he's like a good guy. Like
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, people people are like like him because
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  Speaker 3: he's the way he plays the game and he's always
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  Speaker 3: giving a wonderful comments to his teammates and praising them. So,
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  Speaker 3: Victor wen Byamba the Defensive Player of the Year. The
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  Speaker 3: first year ever they voted on it was nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 3: two eighty three season. So Sean, if Bill Russell played,
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  Speaker 3: he would have won every year Defensive Player of the Year.
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  Speaker 3: That's the first premise. Let's fast forward, and more importantly,
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  Speaker 3: fifty years later, this is Victor Wenbama unanimous, his youngest
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  Speaker 3: player ever to win the award at age twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: So in jazz basketball, as always, let's equate jazz basketball.
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  Speaker 3: As they go forward to play against Victor Rebbyama, they've
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  Speaker 3: got to figure out some way how to move around
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  Speaker 3: defensively to get them away from the rim and the lane.
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  Speaker 3: And also when they do penetrate, they've got a master
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  Speaker 3: of the art form of taking that organized off bounced
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  Speaker 3: floater to freeze the shop locker meaning wen Beyamba, and
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  Speaker 3: then also the let point of that. To go against
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  Speaker 3: wen Beyamba, you have to put stress on not on
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  Speaker 3: his length but on his feet. You've got to move
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  Speaker 3: him around and take him away from the basket and
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  Speaker 3: then try to drive it and make him get an
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  Speaker 3: early foul. Trouble by tryin a god driving action versus
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  Speaker 3: what defend rot the lane sounds so it sounds so interesting,
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  Speaker 3: but it gets really complicated in what the application of
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  Speaker 3: actually doing it. Let's called basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Or did you have a list today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well list today, Sean. Again, we're gonna praise some
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  Speaker 3: it's a quick list. We're gonna praise some people with
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  Speaker 3: unbelievable Koreas. This list today, Sean, is the most Koreas
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  Speaker 3: seasons by NBA players competing in the playoffs. So how
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  Speaker 3: many seasons did are NBA? These players play all time
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  Speaker 3: in playoffs basketball with sixteen postseason appearances, they are Robert Parrish,
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  Speaker 3: Kerry Porter, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Scottie Pippen, and Al Horfit.
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  Speaker 3: With seventeen postseasons as a player, they are Clifford Robinson,
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  Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neal, think Kid, Tony Parker and James Harden. Now
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  Speaker 3: of the Cavaliers with eighteen postseason appearances, they are Kareem
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  Speaker 3: Abdul Jabbar and for Kareem the last time he played
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  Speaker 3: in the playoffs with nineteen eighty nine and Tim Duncan
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  Speaker 3: also at eighteen, the lest time Duncan sean played in
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs was two thousand and sixteen. Do you believe it?
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  Speaker 3: Ten years ago? The number one category for the most
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  Speaker 3: ever postseason appearances, there's three players tied with nineteen. I
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  Speaker 3: had to privileged to coach two of them. Carl Malone
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  Speaker 3: nineteen postseason appearances, eighteen with the Jazz, one with the Lakers,
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  Speaker 3: would call. The last appearance with the Lakers was two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and four. John Stockton nineteen postseasons. His last year
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  Speaker 3: was two thousand and three and tied also the most
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  Speaker 3: ever is Lebron James. We know right now this is
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. So next year, Lebron, if he does play,
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  Speaker 3: we'll break the record when he plays in the postseason
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  Speaker 3: for the most ever appearances in postseason, which we next
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  Speaker 3: you will be twenty. Thus that's list of today, and
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  Speaker 3: they add to this. To play in the postseason, besides
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  Speaker 3: your own ability, you need durability and need to also
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  Speaker 3: trusted sidekicks to help you get to the postseason. So
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  Speaker 3: besides your own brilliance, you need other players around you
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  Speaker 3: to help you get to the playoffs and to keep advancing.
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  Speaker 1: I almost forgot to ask you this, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to before I let you go, Billy Donovan has walked
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  Speaker 1: away from the Bulls. What's next for him and maybe
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  Speaker 1: more importantly, what's next for the Bulls?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what's next for the Bulls is that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to hire probably a younger coach because as they try
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  Speaker 3: to rebuild, so it's probably going to be somewhat of
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  Speaker 3: an assistant. But with Billy Donovan, Sewan, there's no conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 3: But if I'm Billy Donovan, who again I coach that
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  Speaker 3: providence and I know him very very well, he he
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  Speaker 3: moving on from the Bulls, which tells you then that
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  Speaker 3: he's something else going for him. Sean, just say, if
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  Speaker 3: Steve Kerr retires from the Warriors, just saying, and they're
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  Speaker 3: staring at Billy Donovan, they're staring at Tom Thibodeaux, they're
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  Speaker 3: staring at Jeff van Gundy to probably replace Steve Kerr.
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  Speaker 3: So it could happen. It's it's plausible, interesting, couldnt Sean.
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  Speaker 3: It could well.
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  Speaker 1: Keep a close eye on all of it, and Gordiya
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  Speaker 1: Chiasa will be joining us throughout. Gordie, you're the man.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you again, Thanks Sean. Peace out the Hot.
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