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Saving Social Security | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 2: On a Wednesday morning, September 2, some of the big
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  Speaker 2: stories we are covering is the Iran-U.S. war, if you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it. Conflict continues on. The U.S. attacking
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  Speaker 2: Iranian positions. Iran attacking U.S. positions. military assets throughout the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East. So we'll see what happens with that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: back we go to this op-ed piece that was in
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  Speaker 2: the New York Times that I thought was fascinating. This
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  Speaker 2: professor of organizational psychology at Wharton in Pennsylvania, Dr. Adam Grant,
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  Speaker 2: he had students logging in for a final exam and
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  Speaker 2: he had heard from other students that the cheating is
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  Speaker 2: going to be rampant. And so he said, okay, No
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  Speaker 2: multiple choice or short answer questions, which usually involved this
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  Speaker 2: memorable login exam. How about this? Write an essay right
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  Speaker 2: now using the principles of organizational psychology you'd been studying.
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  Speaker 2: And here was the essay, how to motivate students to
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  Speaker 2: stop cheating. And it had to be real time right now.
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  Speaker 2: And it was pretty hard to cheat. And the problem was,
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  Speaker 2: is that talking to the students and looking at the studies,
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  Speaker 2: everybody made excuses why they cheated. I wonder a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stress. Everyone else is doing it. We have no choice, yada, yada, yada.
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  Speaker 2: But the issue that he found fascinating is that the
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  Speaker 2: students didn't think cheating is a violation of integrity. That
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  Speaker 2: is something that I wasn't expecting. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: schools are confronting this problem all over the country. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why teachers are switching to in-class essays. oral exams
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  Speaker 2: in class. And what he says is creating these obstacles
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  Speaker 2: is never going to be enough. We have to get
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  Speaker 2: to the root of the problem, changing the motivations, somehow
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  Speaker 2: convincing students that it is wrong to cheat. Now, how
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  Speaker 2: do you change people's moral position? That is difficult. And
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  Speaker 2: he says we have to start real early. But what
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  Speaker 2: psychologists have done, a series of studies, the more competitive
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  Speaker 2: life is or school is, cheating goes up too. And
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  Speaker 2: most people are immune to the effects of feeling bad
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  Speaker 2: about cheating. They don't follow the logic of consequences, of
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  Speaker 2: looking at whether the benefits of cheating outweigh the costs.
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  Speaker 2: They don't think that through. All they see is the
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  Speaker 2: benefits of cheating. not a moral issue to them, not
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  Speaker 2: feeling bad. There's something called moral identities, which psychologists talk about,
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  Speaker 2: and that's caring deeply about being a person of honor
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  Speaker 2: and integrity. If you have honor and integrity, of course,
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  Speaker 2: you are going to cheat less or not at all.
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  Speaker 2: And there's honor codes out there. You go to military schools.
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  Speaker 2: There's an honor code across the board. I will not lie, cheat,
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  Speaker 2: or steal, and I will not allow or I will
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  Speaker 2: not suffer anyone from doing so. That's it. And if
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  Speaker 2: you don't, if you don't follow it, you're out. They
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  Speaker 2: throw you out.
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  Speaker 3: Every single crime known to man. is because of entitlement.
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  Speaker 3: Every single one is that the person feels entitled, even
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  Speaker 3: if they know that it's wrong. I mean, a murderer
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to get murdered, so they know it's not okay,
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  Speaker 3: but they make a case why it's okay for them
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  Speaker 3: to kill this person. And if this is where we're
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  Speaker 3: at in our colleges, we're effed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is exactly where we're at in our colleges.
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  Speaker 2: And as he did this testing and as he looked
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  Speaker 2: at the emails that came in, he started looking at
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  Speaker 2: the studies. And the studies all show that this moral
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  Speaker 2: integrity in this day and age of AI, of the competitiveness,
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  Speaker 2: of how difficult it is to get a good job
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  Speaker 2: out there, that is causing people to, well, I have
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  Speaker 2: to cheat. And then there are a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: that he said that you think makes sense and actually don't.
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  Speaker 2: Demanding a moral code makes it more difficult to enforce
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  Speaker 2: a moral code. Honesty pledges. Honesty pledges make you less
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  Speaker 2: honest is what the studies have showed. It's like if
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  Speaker 2: you have someone or maybe you have a student, a kid,
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  Speaker 2: who is just now feeling, you know, getting sexuality going.
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  Speaker 2: This is usually guys. And this is a piece of
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  Speaker 2: advice I'm going to give young men now who are
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  Speaker 2: starting to– think about sex. Start dating a girl from
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  Speaker 2: a religious school where abstinence is the objective and what
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  Speaker 2: has to be said. When they promise abstinence, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get the wildest, most wonderful sex you could ever imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Abstinence doesn't work. Declaring moral integrity doesn't work. We have
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  Speaker 2: to go deeper than that. And so how do we
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  Speaker 2: do that? Well, you got to start really early on now.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have to worry about people with strong moral identities.
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  Speaker 2: People grow up in some cases with strong moral identities,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's taught to you by parents or a church
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  Speaker 2: that you belong to or a peer group, or sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you're just wired to do that. There are people that
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  Speaker 2: are just wired to have integrity. I don't know any.
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  Speaker 2: My son is.
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  Speaker 3: Max, it's fascinating that he very much had a moral
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  Speaker 3: code before we ever started instilling anything in him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And my kids didn't know that there was such
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  Speaker 2: thing as a moral code. When they learned there was
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  Speaker 2: something like that out there, they went, huh?
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  Speaker 3: They thought you said- They thought you said immoral code. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and it worked out beautifully.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the point is that this is a– it
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  Speaker 2: has become a big issue, and that is– I don't–
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  Speaker 2: I often look to see what's wrong with society a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and I joke a lot about it, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: everything is terrible, everything is horrible. Well, actually it is.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to what we're seeing here in
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  Speaker 2: terms of moral integrity, we are heading downhill, and this
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  Speaker 2: is one of those– One of the benefits of AI,
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  Speaker 2: of course, you already know. And then some of the
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  Speaker 2: detriments of AI. And would you think that AI is
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  Speaker 2: connected to moral integrity? It is in a big way.
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  Speaker 2: We've got some real changing to do. We really do.
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  Speaker 2: And so once again, consequences. AI is science. Morality. Dealing
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  Speaker 2: with AI is something far deeper, far more difficult to
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  Speaker 2: deal with. And that is exactly what's going on. So
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  Speaker 2: coming up at the bottom of the hour, 10 minutes,
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  Speaker 2: give or take, it'll be Dr. Jim Keeney, medical segment
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  Speaker 2: of which I'm going to be going to a doctor.
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  Speaker 2: So it'll be Neil who is filling in and we'll
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  Speaker 2: be talking about what's going on in the world of medicine.
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  Speaker 2: All right. In the meantime, a word or two about
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  Speaker 2: Social Security, because once again, Congress has to deal with
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  Speaker 2: Social Security, the third rail. which means you don't screw
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  Speaker 2: with Social Security if you want to keep getting elected.
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  Speaker 2: And so we're now looking at insolvency coming up. We've
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  Speaker 2: been through that through the years. And they're now looking
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  Speaker 2: at insolvency happening in 2032. What does insolvency mean? Well,
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  Speaker 2: it basically means Social Security is going to run out
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  Speaker 2: of money. Does that mean there'll be no Social Security? No,
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  Speaker 2: they'll still be there. There just will be fewer benefits.
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  Speaker 2: Less money going to people. There's only two ways to
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  Speaker 2: make this thing solvent. Fewer benefits and more taxes to
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  Speaker 2: pay for it. And there's a huge problem with Social Security.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, the government has to pay and does
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  Speaker 2: pay Social Security. And it pays predicated on inflation. The
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  Speaker 2: higher inflation, the more money you get. Because Social Security
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  Speaker 2: payments are pegged on inflation. And so that's one problem.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation goes up, they have to pay more money. Government
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  Speaker 2: has to pay more money. Two, the number of people
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  Speaker 2: paying into Social Security is going down. Because as people retire,
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  Speaker 2: they're not paying into Social Security, they're taking Social Security.
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  Speaker 2: And which makes sense. Well, they should, because they spent
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  Speaker 2: a lifetime working. And so something's got to give. And
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  Speaker 2: you have these elected officials just keep on kicking the
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  Speaker 2: can down the road, because who... is going to run on,
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  Speaker 2: I knocked down Social Security. I withheld benefits. Can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine what the other side does? Hey, that guy over
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  Speaker 2: there who I'm running against, he took away your Social
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  Speaker 2: Security benefits. Yeah, that's a pretty powerful argument to get elected.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a pretty powerful argument to get elected if
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  Speaker 2: you're on the other side. That's what I mean is
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  Speaker 2: the third rail. So what is going to happen? What
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  Speaker 2: are the choices? Well, one, of course, is, well, retirement
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  Speaker 2: age getting older and older. That's the other problem about
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  Speaker 2: Social Security. We are getting older. We are collecting more
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  Speaker 2: Social Security than we ever have before. I've told you
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  Speaker 2: many times Social Security was created in the mid-30s to
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  Speaker 2: help workers who had, once they stopped working, they basically
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  Speaker 2: had to die. And so so security was created and
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  Speaker 2: your retirement kicked in at 65 and people were old
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  Speaker 2: at 65 today. If someone, for example, dies in their
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  Speaker 2: mid sixties, you're going, oh, wow, that was way too young.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God. This was just a relatively young person.
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  Speaker 2: When does old age start? In my head, I'll tell you,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably in mid-80s is when you're old. From 65
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  Speaker 2: to 75, I mean, you're getting older, but are you
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  Speaker 2: old and decrepit? No. It used to be when you're 65,
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  Speaker 2: you're old and decrepit. Things have changed. Nobody anticipated my
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  Speaker 2: mother being on Social Security for 35 years. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the problem with older people in our system. So
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  Speaker 2: what happens? What do you do? Okay. A couple of answers.
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  Speaker 2: You make the age of social security recipient older. Already
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  Speaker 2: done that. We're 67 years. Maybe it'll be 70 years
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  Speaker 2: at some point. You reduce benefits, which no one wants
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  Speaker 2: to happen. You increase the taxes, social security taxes. It
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  Speaker 2: used to be pennies on the dollar. Today, it is
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  Speaker 2: basically six and a half percent of your income up to,
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  Speaker 2: I think, $ 180, 000. After that, you pay no more in
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  Speaker 2: Social Security taxes. And the argument is, well, they should
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  Speaker 2: take the cap off. And there are a few taxes
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  Speaker 2: they do take the cap off. So therefore, anybody making $ 200, 000,
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  Speaker 2: $ 250, 000 a year should pay that 6.5% all the way
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  Speaker 2: up to the upper limits to the amount of money
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  Speaker 2: they make. And that's the argument. Basically, if you have money,
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  Speaker 2: you should pay a lot more for everything. And it's
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  Speaker 2: fair to say that's regressive. It's not graduated because people
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  Speaker 2: that make $ 180, 000 a year paying Social Security on their
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  Speaker 2: full salary, people that make over that are not. So
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  Speaker 2: it's unfair. Okay, that's in quotes, by the way. So
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  Speaker 2: removing that cap is one of the things that are
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  Speaker 2: going to happen. And here's another little bit of information.
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  Speaker 2: There's no money in the Social Security Fund. There's no
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  Speaker 2: money there. There's no assets. Now, the U.S. Highway Trust Fund,
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  Speaker 2: the Highway Construction Fund, whatever the hell they call it,
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  Speaker 2: that has real money. I mean, we pay our taxes.
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  Speaker 2: You pay your gasoline taxes. You pay whatever tax the
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  Speaker 2: government charges, the federal government. That goes into an account.
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  Speaker 2: There's real money there. Social Security, all the money goes
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  Speaker 2: into Social Security, the government takes and writes an IOU
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  Speaker 2: to Social Security. I mean, it's kind of weird because
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  Speaker 2: the government is writing itself a check, but we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about a specific fund that doesn't have any money because
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  Speaker 2: it's used someplace else. Isn't that just socialism? Social Security?
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  Speaker 2: Social Security is absolutely socialism. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, of course
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  Speaker 2: it is. And it's not working.
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  Speaker 4: It is working.
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  Speaker 2: So is insurance, medical insurance, which is not working. Social
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  Speaker 2: security works for people that are over 65. It is working.
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  Speaker 3: The system is, but it's going to be broke. But
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  Speaker 3: it's a Ponzi scheme. That's the whole point is that
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  Speaker 3: socialism ends up not scaling again.
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  Speaker 2: Unless money is coming, unless enough money is coming in
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  Speaker 2: to pay for things. And that is a big issue.
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  Speaker 2: And there's never going to be enough money because government
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  Speaker 2: will always spend more money than has come in. That's
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily true. There have been times, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: United States used to be a country that was in surplus.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we didn't have deficits for a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: I think the first deficit that kicked in, I think,
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  Speaker 2: was in the 1830s. And there have been plenty of governments,
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  Speaker 2: plenty of times where the U.S. government has been in surplus.
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  Speaker 2: And that was before income tax, by the way. But
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  Speaker 2: also the government gave you no services either, like they do.
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  Speaker 2: Education was not free. There was no housing. There were
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  Speaker 2: no entitlement programs. I mean, just didn't. Well, the original
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  Speaker 2: schools and stuff were churches. Yeah, but they were private.
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  Speaker 2: All of it started as religious– hospitals and– That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Hospitals and schools were all religious. And then the government
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  Speaker 2: got involved because there weren't enough churches out there.
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  Speaker 1: And you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Socialism is– the Republicans are streaming right now. Social programs
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  Speaker 2: are what cost us the most. That's true. Although now–
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, the number one social program that
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  Speaker 2: costs by far the most, Social Security. And so when
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  Speaker 2: you hear, and I love this, when I hear an anti-socialist,
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  Speaker 2: I'm never going to go, we don't want our country
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  Speaker 2: to go socialist. Give up your Social Security. Just say no.
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  Speaker 2: When you hit 65, just say no thanks. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be part of a socialist government. Oh, no
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  Speaker 2: one touches my Social Security payments. But it's also a
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  Speaker 2: downfall because it's not working. Socialism doesn't scale. It can.
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  Speaker 2: It can. It can. Well, on paper. It can scale.
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  Speaker 2: And there are plenty of societies where it works great.
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  Speaker 2: You look at the Scandinavian countries, it works for them. Now,
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  Speaker 2: they're very highly taxed, but it does work for them.
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  Speaker 2: It's just we have a different society, that's all. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll go into that. I love talking to Neil about
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  Speaker 2: this because he and I have discussions. We don't even
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  Speaker 2: particularly disagree on stuff on this. No, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a great idea. It just doesn't scale. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: But it can scale. It doesn't scale for us. And
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't scale for a lot of other countries. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Jim, there are a couple of things get tossed in
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  Speaker 3: our face every couple of years with new studies. You
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  Speaker 3: got wine, whether it's good or bad, the cholesterol or
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  Speaker 3: Problems of eggs. You've got, gosh, oh, and of course,
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  Speaker 3: you have sugar substitutes. Right now, what is being studied
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  Speaker 3: and looked at is a particular one called erythritol. And
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  Speaker 3: nobody's going to know that, but it's in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things like sugar-free drinks, keto-friendly stuff, energy drinks. What
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  Speaker 3: are they saying now about this artificial sweetener or sugar
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  Speaker 3: substitute rather?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a study came out. It's an observational study.
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  Speaker 4: So it looked at the risk of heart attack in
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  Speaker 4: people with xylitol or erythritol in their system. And it
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  Speaker 4: turns out that the highest quartile concentrations had a 57%
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  Speaker 4: increase in major cardiac events like heart attack or stroke. Um, so,
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  Speaker 4: and then in a British study they had, they did
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  Speaker 4: over 30 years and the highest group had like an 18% increase.
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  Speaker 4: So it does seem like there's some association here that
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily mean that the Xylitol causes a heart attack.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe something else goes along with it that does, but yeah.
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  Speaker 4: it does seem that there's increase in risk for cardiovascular disease.
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  Speaker 4: We know that xylitol can increase platelet clotting activity. And
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  Speaker 4: if you remember that the mechanism for a heart attack
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  Speaker 4: is typically like a rough spot in the artery, a
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  Speaker 4: plaque breaks open or exposes some of the inner tissue.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a signal for platelets to think that there's
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  Speaker 4: an injury to the blood vessel and try and clot
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  Speaker 4: it off. So platelets start sticking and clumping And then
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  Speaker 4: all the fibrin and all these fibers in your blood
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  Speaker 4: start clotting and make a blood clot that then clots
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  Speaker 4: off the artery that goes.
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  Speaker 2: To the heart.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what caused a heart attack, similar mechanism for
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  Speaker 4: a stroke.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing that is what they refer to as
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  Speaker 3: a loophole here is the gross pathway. And that is
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  Speaker 3: short for generally recognized as safe. This is an FDA
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  Speaker 3: response or category here for packaged food and drinks. And
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  Speaker 3: this means that certain levels, we know that toxicity is
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  Speaker 3: in the dose, right? So at certain levels, they say
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  Speaker 3: this ingredient is okay, they being the FDA. And Is
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  Speaker 3: that what's being looked at specifically? Should we take this
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  Speaker 3: out of that category? Should we get rid of that
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  Speaker 3: category of generally recognized as safe altogether?
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  Speaker 2: What does this do for that?
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  Speaker 4: Right. So, again, because, you know, this is more an
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  Speaker 4: observational study, it's an association. One is associated with the other.
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  Speaker 4: So a high level of this substance in your blood
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  Speaker 4: is associated with a higher risk of heart attack. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean one causes the other. It's the same old thing.
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  Speaker 4: We always talk about this is that, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: rooster crows, the sun comes up, the sun comes up
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  Speaker 4: and the rooster crows. Did the rooster make the sun
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  Speaker 4: come up? you know, those are associated, but they're not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily causal. So, you know, and it's frustrating, right? Because
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  Speaker 4: every story we do almost seems to be an observational
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  Speaker 4: study because the work it takes to spend years doing
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  Speaker 4: a prospective randomized trial is insane. So people do these quick,
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  Speaker 4: easy studies. They're still not quick and they're still not
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  Speaker 4: that easy, but they're a lot quicker and easier than
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  Speaker 4: a randomized trial. And that's what we end up with
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  Speaker 4: is this kind of data. We have to recognize that
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  Speaker 4: it's limited. That's all I'm saying. So it makes a headline, but...
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  Speaker 4: It is limited. So it's not generally recognized to see
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  Speaker 4: it gets thrown out the window, but it's something an
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  Speaker 4: awareness of, hey, you know, you may think, oh, because
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  Speaker 4: this has no calories, I can chew a pack of
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  Speaker 4: gum a day and there's nothing bad with that. Well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that kind of level of extreme exposure is
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: probably not what you want to do. But am I
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: still going to chew sugarless gum?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still will.
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  Speaker 4: And I just don't chew gum very often. So I
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: don't think I'm going to be putting myself at high risk.
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  Speaker 4: But people who are chewing a pack a day, they
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: may want to rethink that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, you know, logic always, the first thing
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: is correlation is not causation. They pound that into your
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: head over and over again. But all science is observation
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  Speaker 3: by definition. So it's a matter of, you know, observing
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: more information versus small amount of information. But it fascinates
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  Speaker 3: me about these little things that are put in food, obviously,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: because of the fork report, these things come up. And
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: at what point does it become problematic? you know, to
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: your average person, like you said. Doc, nothing is better
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: than when you see insights coming from the natural world and,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: you know, medicine that is, doesn't come, you know, from
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: a bottle, but from natural resources. Tell us about Atlantic
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: cod and skin wounds.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, now, when you bring that up, actually,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: the last story we did on xylitol, that actually is
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  Speaker 4: made in nature, too. Your body actually makes some of
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  Speaker 4: it itself. So, it's not completely foreign to your body.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, the cod, though, what they found is that
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: so when you have a burn or you have, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: a major skin injury, you know, say a diabetic foot ulcer,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: for example, those are notoriously bad at healing. You end
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: up with a deficit in the skin and it has
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  Speaker 4: to grow in from the edges and it has to
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  Speaker 4: build the scaffolding and then grow the cells and then
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: create the matrix that it all sits on from scratch. Well,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: what they've done is take cod. And essentially, they decellularize
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  Speaker 4: the skin. So there's no cod cells in the skin,
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  Speaker 4: but the gooey matrix that is like the scaffolding that
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: skin is built on, it remains behind. And they lay
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: that across the wound, and now it massively accelerates the
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: healing process. So you're not growing fish cells on your body,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: but you are taking... like I said, kind of a
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: structural overlay and those cells grow into it. And then
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: that replaces the skin much, much faster. For diabetics, there
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: was a 70% relative increase in healings compared to standard
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: wound care. So pretty impressive.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, and for the younger folks, GUI Matrix is opening
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: on the safari stage for Coachella this year. So, Doc,
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  Speaker 3: let me get this straight. So the assumption is you
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: get a wound and... I don't know how to explain this,
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  Speaker 3: but let's say the wound is the size of a dime.
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  Speaker 3: The assumption is it's, or I guess what, what comes
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  Speaker 3: to mind is like the skin or the healing is
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  Speaker 3: coming up through the entirety of it and then reforming
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  Speaker 3: the skin. You're saying it's a, it's a bridge forming
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  Speaker 3: over that.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: So the bridge comes from the edges. I mean, Yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: skin heals from the bottom up. We call that granulation tissue,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: but that's this bubbly red kind of non-organized tissue that
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: looks almost like hamburger, right? So that's not really skin.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: But that's the tissue that we call granulation tissue that
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the skin has to now grow over and create a
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: matrix over. So then that matrix kind of comes from
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: the edges. So there are ways we can shorten that
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: by doing skin grafts, for example, your own skin grafts.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Where you've seen that you take a patch of skin
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: and then through a series of micro cuts, you're turning
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: it almost into a mesh, right? By cutting the skin
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: in not in a long line, but in individual dotted
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: lines in rows that now you can pull that out
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: and it looks like a mesh, right? You can stretch it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And that mesh then is laid on a wound. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: that's why people get that kind of thing, that look
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: when you use skin grafting like that. The skin may
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: look like the gauze left an impression or something because
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: it has that mesh-like look. But the newer stuff that
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: we're using doesn't do that. And the skin just grows
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: right into it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Just real quick, we only have a little less than
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: a minute. New pill that mimics exercise.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Do tell. Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: So that's the headline, but it doesn't really mimic exercise, right?
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Exercise is something that affects your brain, your bones, your muscles,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: your blood vessels, your insulin level, your mood. So OnePill
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: can't do all that. But what it does is they're
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: looking at it for weight loss maintenance after you stop
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: GLP drugs because it does seem to reduce, just like
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: exercise would, it does seem to reduce that rebound weight gain.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: And so that's what they're looking at this specifically for.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: It's pretty interesting. But again, they create the headline, the
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: company creates a headline, exercise in a pill. But that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: not what this is.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Send me a box and I'll get back to you
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: on if it works. Dr.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity St. Mary Medical
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Center there in the LBC.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Doc. Always love talking with you.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Take care. We'll talk again next week, at least with Handel.
• 25:38
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• 25:39
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• 25:42
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