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The hidden structural cause behind animal pain · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Today's conversation is with a pioneering figure in the field of animal chiropractic, Dr.
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  Bill Ostron, who is all who's known and loved by all of us as Dr.
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  O.
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  Dr.
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  O is internationally known for his expertise, advocacy, and commitment to improving the lives of animals through natural hands on care.
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  We're going to be talking about his book, Yes, it's really a thing, chiropractic for all animals.
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  Dr.
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  O, thank you for getting up early this morning and join us here on the Ten Penny Files.
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  It's so good to see you again.
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  Well, you too.
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  It's always a pleasure to see your smiling face.
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  Well, thank you.
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  You know, I grew up in a chiropractic family, and I'm an osteopathic physician, which does osteopathic manipulation in my office, and I've loved it.
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  You know, I'm one of about 400 physicians nationwide that are actually board certified in osteopathic manipulation manual medicine.
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  They're just not a lot of us.
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  So I'm in love with the idea of animal chiropractic.
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  What brought you to deciding that this was a great thing and what you've dedicated your life to?
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  Um, I had the honor of being the father of an autistic son.
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  Um with a seizure disorder.
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  Uh ironically, he had his first seizure nine hours after his third MMR.
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  Uh so um, but I was in vet school at the time, and so therefore it could not be a vaccine direction.
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  Um and that was back in 1985, so there was no such thing as a vaccine reaction back then, right?
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  Um, anyway, so when you have uh a handicapped member in your family, and it doesn't seem to matter um what the handicap is, as your community finds out about the handicap, they have answers, and they will help you find these answers.
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  Um you should try this, you should do this, you should do this.
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  When Ad Edna had that, she did this, and as a scientifically trained mind, I was like, okay, but let's figure out what's going on.
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  And so I would um do some research.
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  Uh my first alternative degree was uh I have a doctor of veterinary homeopathy, because I would buy a book on homeopathy and I would read it, and it would be like for bruising, you take Arnica for you know, and you just go through the book.
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  Can you get to the chapter on seizures?
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  And it would be seizures are a serious condition.
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  You should contact a natural path in your area, and I was like, okay, that's not really what I wanted to know, but um, and so I found and I have a uh degree, and uh it's called a doctor of veterinary homeopathy from the British Institute of London uh in animal homeopathy, veterinary homeopathy.
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  And so started trying some homeopathics and then went to a two-hour lecture um on animal chiropractic.
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  And I thought, well, that might have some benefits.
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  Thought of a couple clo uh patients in my practice that it would help.
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  And so I started doing more and more.
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  And um that's how I got into it.
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  And then it was easy to stay in the animal chiropractic once you get started because the results are amazing.
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  They really are amazing.
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  And your book, I I just love the book, and I just love the title of your book.
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  Yes, yes, it's really a thing, you know, animal chiropractic for animals because you have so many great anecdotal stories in here of animals that they were going to put down, whether they were dogs, cats, horses, and or hadn't walked for a very long period of time, or because they were getting older, they said, Well, they're just getting older, you know, we might as well just um you know euthanize them.
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  And they came to you and you adjusted them and adjusted their atlas and changed their diet, and they got another five to seven years of life.
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  So in with the horses, even longer.
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  You know, you've because you've seen such great results, and you are a licensed veterinarian.
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  Um, with your regular patients that you see, is this led you to be kind of an anti-veterinary medicine doctor?
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  Um, there's a place for veterinary medicine, yes.
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  Um, but yes, so and it's hard to understand where that's coming from, but um I one of my other sons.
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  Um, I have three boys and a daughter, and chiropractic is really hit home to those, and it's helped me really understand how much impact I have on the animals that I'm in in touch with on a daily basis, and not only the animals, but but other people, and their families, and their families.
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  Um when he was at the hospital, the one doctor uh said, Well, he's got a one percent chance of life, and so we probably should just think about organ formation.
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  Um, which and that was after a severe accident, right?
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  All right.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And um, we against medical uh authorization or what advice, we transferred him to a different hospital, and he had a surgery that saved his life within um two hours after being wheeled into the hospital.
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  He was actually being wheeled out of surgery.
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  Um, the second one.
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  And we asked that surgeon what is what his odds are, and he looked at us and said, You don't care.
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  Yeah, it's like way that we mean.
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  He said, Well, in order to have odds, um, so let's look at Tegan.
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  All right.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Let's think about Tegan.
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  And if I was going to do something to Tegan, you don't really care what the odds are.
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  Because in order to get odds, we need a hundred dogs that are in the same exact condition as Teagan.
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  Exactly.
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  And then you have to look me in the eye and say, I care just as much for all hundred animals as I do for Tegan.
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  Could you do that?
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  Of course not.
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  So do you care what the odds are?
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  No.
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  Or would you rather that I do everything in my power to make sure that Tegan gets better?
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  Exactly.
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  And I think sometimes traditional medicine, you know, looks at the odds.
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  Um, you know, the number one medical procedure in veterinary medicine right now for animals that may have a nerve injury.
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  Um the first side effect of that particular remedy is uh is Gabapen.
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  But the first side effect is uh drunken behavior.
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  And so if you have a dog that's having trouble walking, um, let's put him on gabapet, and um, maybe he gets better, but a certain percentage of those animals will get worse, and so you know, we'll just leave him on in a few more days.
• 10:24
  Let's see if he gets better or not.
• 10:26
  No, it's like you know, when but when Tegan had a he did something to his back, I don't know, he's kind of a you know, for the audience, he's a Japanese chin, so that means he's short and kind of long, not as short as a dochin, but he's kind of short and kind of long, so he's kind of lanky, and Japanese chins have this thing, it's part of their breed where they spin around all the time, they get excited and they spin.
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  They call it the chin the chin spin, and so he's getting a little bit older, so he kind of threw his back out, and he was in a lot of pain.
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  I mean, a lot that he he just laid there and just quivered, and he's a pretty tough little dog.
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  So I had taken him to an emergency uh a dog emergency department, and they said, Well, it has to do with his back, and they wanted to prescribe four medications, one a steroid, gabapentin, uh something to make his bowels move and something else.
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  And I said, you know, I'll take the pain pill, but I don't want the rest of them.
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  And so I give him, you know, I've got that up in the cupboard, like you would have in a leave up in the cupboard for you that once in a while when he he's got something that I can tell, I'll give him a half of one, and that just settles him down.
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  So instead, what I did was I got home, you know, a thousand dollars later and a whole day out of my life to tell me that my dog had a back problem that I knew before I even went there.
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  I called Dr.
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  Bill, and I called Dr.
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  Amy, who's his wife, who we've had on the show here before, and they said he needs to be adjusted.
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  So they found me an animal chiropractor that's about 40 minutes from my house, and he went over there, he got an adjustment, and he just he you could see the look on his face was like, Wow, wow, the next day he was just fine, and I had another episode, and I just do it telling you guys this who are listening to this about the wonders of animal chiropractic.
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  There was another day that he had been staying with a friend of mine while I was traveling, and when I picked him up, he wouldn't put any weight on his on his paw, he wouldn't even limp on it or anything, he just would stand there and not put any weight on it.
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  I looked it up online, and they said it's a cute veterinary emergency.
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  If your dog can't stand on its front legs where it puts 60% of its weight, you must take them immediately to the vet.
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  And I'm like, I don't have another thousand dollars at another day out of my life to go sit over there.
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  So what did I do?
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  I called Dr.
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  Amy, and where is she?
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  She's in an airport somewhere, and she walked me through how to do a chiropractic animal chiropractic adjustment on Tegan, and like within he was kind of in a lot of pain, so he slept for a couple of hours.
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  When he woke up, he was just fine.
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  So this is really a thing, it's just so cool.
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  And if you and in your book, you see your book, the yes, it's really a thing, chiropractic for all animals.
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  I want to read this quote, and then you have you talk about it here.
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  It says animal chiropractors don't fix or heal animals, each animal is already whole, has an intelligence to care for itself.
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  The proper specific adjustment allows that intelligence to express itself as optimally as possible.
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  And I think that's that's a profound statement, and I think that's your whole philosophy, isn't it?
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  Dr.
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  O.
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  Well, it is because when we think about it, um every animal, every being on this world comes with everything they need to survive.
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  Um, and and that happens, we become equipped with that as soon as two cells got together in the womb because otherwise, how come Tegan's not a horse?
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  For sure, right?
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  It's not because you fed him differently.
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  Um, it's it's not because he got a vaccine um, you know, at six weeks, he he immediately when those two cells got together, he was going to be Tegan.
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  No ifs, ands or buts about it, okay.
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  Um and I was gonna be me, and you were gonna be you, and the innate intelligence to keep our body working as it was meant to be formed when those two cells happen, and then we get interference in our body, and our nerves can't communicate correctly.
• 14:56
  We we have a foot that goes no, we you know, have an organ that goes no, um what whatever, but we can't feel that organ that goes no, but we sure can feel that foot that goes numb.
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  And if your foot, like if you sit in a chair that's not appropriate, you will have a leg go to sleep, and when you stand up, you know it, and you're like, oh, and you know, most of the time you're able to walk that leg off, but the reason that leg went to sleep is because of interference to the nerve flow.
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  Now, if we have interference to the nerve flow to my kidney, I don't feel that my kidney went to sleep, do I?
• 15:43
  I don't feel that my kidneys a little bit sleepy, and so what happens is then I go get a blood test somewhere, and they say, Oh my gosh, your kidneys aren't working.
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  Here's some drugs, right?
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  And I had a professor one time at animal chiropractic school that said um that children with ear infections aren't born with amoxicillin deficiencies, yep.
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  And so we have a tendency to treat deficiencies like Tegan hurt his back, he didn't have four drug deficiencies, right?
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  Exactly, he had a sore back, all right.
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  So, why did that back all of a sudden get sore?
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  And at the time that his back got sore, the movement of that spine, and what we call a subluxation, the formation of that subluxation was exactly the thing his body needed to keep him from getting hurt worse.
• 17:02
  That makes sense, and so the innate doesn't never make mistakes, it knows exactly what it's supposed to do, all right.
• 17:14
  Um, and so the correct thing for that body to do at that time was to move that spine into an incorrect position to save it from further damage at that time.
• 17:29
  Wow, so Tegan didn't break his back, he got a subluxation.
• 17:34
  He didn't break his leg, he got a subluxation.
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  Now, when that subluxation sticks around for too long, we know that within four minutes the weight of a feather decreases nerve transmission by up to 40 percent.
• 17:51
  Wow, that was proven at Colorado State, okay.
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  And he says there's a guy there that says the subluxation definitely uh happens within four minutes.
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  They did a rabbit study one time where we know that within um seven days, you start to get cartilage damage if the cartilage isn't moving correctly that sticks around for seven months.
• 18:17
  Wow, and so if you have a vertebral subluxation that's not moving correctly, the cartilage isn't moving correctly, the nerves have weight on them because there's five things that show up in the cardinal signs of inflammation, they're swelling, heat, loss of function, redness, and pain.
• 18:38
  When we take drugs, four of them go away, it still leaves loss of function.
• 18:44
  When you go to the chiropractor, loss of function goes away, and the other four go away too.
• 18:50
  Very good.
• 18:52
  Um you told me a story um when we were together that has just stuck with me, and I've repeated so many times, and I probably haven't told the story correctly.
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  But you told me a story about adjusting newborn baby chicks, and that you did a study about that.
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  Tell that story and how you came to adjust baby chickens.
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  Well, we just feel that every spine should be adjusted, and so we adjusted our baby chicks.
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  We get them at a day old, and just doing it.
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  And the study was accidental.
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  Um so by my feed from tractor supply, tractor suffice sells chicks, um, from the same company that I buy my chicks from, but they just they sell them, and so um, I've been we had chicks for about three weeks, and tractor supply at that time didn't have chicks for a long time.
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  I think they were just kind of getting into it, and they had these chicks and they were tired of taking care of, and so they said, Doctor, oh, why don't you take
• 20:00
  These why don't you buy our chicks from us?
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  Buy the rest of our chicks.
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  And I was like, Oh, how old are they?
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  They said, Other three weeks.
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  I said, Well, you probably fed them bad food.
• 20:10
  No, we feed them the same organic food you do.
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  Okay, fine.
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  So I said, Well, I'm not gonna pay what you want for, I'll give you you know, less.
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  And she said, Okay, fine, but you have to take them all.
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  And I was like, Okay, fine.
• 20:24
  So I took them all, and I go home, and uh Dr.
• 20:28
  Amy doesn't know about it yet, and so I adjusted the new tractor supply checks and put them in the pen with our chicks, and they're a different size, and so I'm like, okay, that's odd.
• 20:48
  They must have messed up the birthday.
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  So the next week I go back to buy some more food, and she goes, Nope, gets the book out, looks nope.
• 20:57
  They were born the day I told you to.
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  And oh, by the way, there's about 25 more checks that were in the other room that you didn't take.
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  Do you want those?
• 21:07
  Well, not really, but you know, and then she we got down to where it was almost ridiculous not to take them.
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  So I took those chicks home and adjusted those and put them in, and I now have chickens that are three different sizes that were all born on the same day.
• 21:24
  Wow, and so I told Dr.
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  Amy, and she looked and she said, Yeah, you're right, but we don't need that many chickens.
• 21:37
  So, anyway, um, we told that story to people, and they were like, Well, there's too many variables, there's too many variables in that study.
• 21:45
  Um, you know, the chickens that came to your place on day one were in your brooder and your environment, and the other chickens were at tractor supply, and the third chickens were at tractor supply for a week longer.
• 21:59
  So we decided to do a study, and we actually bought extra chickens, and we had a high school uh student that was going to be our non-biased weigher, and he didn't know anything about chickens, he didn't know anything about um chiropractically adjusted chickens.
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  He'd had some sheep that we had adjusted, um, and they did well in the show ring, but he was just gonna weigh chickens, and so I would adjust chickens one week, and he would weigh chickens the next week.
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  And as the study was going, like after about the third time he weighed these chickens, he would like pick up a chicken, and he would say, Oh, this chicken's chiropractically adjusted, he would write the weight down.
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  And I was like, Well, how do you know?
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  And he said, Well, the adjusted chickens have more muscle tone, they're firmer, and they gain they're gaining weight faster.
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  And in our controlled study, our um we like to process our chickens at six and a half pounds, and our adjusted chickens were processed at 92 days, and our non-adjusted chickens were processed at 114 days.
• 23:25
  Wow.
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  So that's a big difference for if you're actually a chicken farmer, right?
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  It allowed us to put another batch of chickens through our um facility every year.
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  Uh, because we could get four four groups of chickens through rather than just three, and so when you did that that study when you had the the adjusted chickens versus the non-adjusted chickens, how many chickens were in each group?
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  Oh, 50.
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  50, yeah.
• 23:57
  Oh, wow.
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  That's that's a good size study that's yeah, but it was too, you know.
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  When when most of these chicken barns that were looking at where our chickens come from are like a thousand, ten thousand birds, and we know we can reproduce it on a larger level, it's just getting the funding and the you know, in the right places to do it.
• 24:19
  Um certainly makes a huge difference though, and I think that um, and didn't when I visited you and Dr.
• 24:25
  Amy, you told me now that there's two restaurants that are in the Dallas area that are requesting chiropractically adjusted meat.
• 24:34
  Well, they they yes, they're looking at it, yes.
• 24:36
  They're not it's not there yet, but it's looking at it yes.
• 24:39
  Yeah, that's really cool.
• 24:40
  Well, I'll tell you the uh when I came to your house and we had we had food for lunch, it was like melt in your mouth delicious, it was really so good.
• 24:50
  So, because of that, you know, it makes so much sense when you tell that story about the baby chickens because what how do they get out of the shell?
• 24:59
  You know, they're bang bang banging their beak against the against the egg, and that the shells of uh organically raised chickens tend to be thicker and a little bit harder, right?
• 25:09
  You really have to bang their necks, and so it makes a lot of sense that they've jammed up their atlas, and if you just adjust that, it just makes a whole lot of sense.
• 25:18
  Why wouldn't everybody do that?
• 25:20
  It's just it's just it's just common sense to me.
• 25:23
  Well, and one of the things that I talk about, we know that birth is a very traumatic experience for all species, it doesn't matter, you know, because we go from a passive uh environment to a very active hostile environment, you know, in a matter of well, some women would say, you know, it takes way too long.
• 25:44
  Um, but but usually the from my point as a veterinarian, um, it's that that has to happen in four minutes or less because when we start the birthing connect process at some point in time, the placenta gets shut off, the umbilical cord gets pinched, and you either have four minutes, or for you know, so like when there's a birth trauma going on, if that cord's compromised, you have four minutes.
• 26:15
  If the cord's not compromised, it's the baby can stay there for a long time.
• 26:21
  All right.
• 26:22
  Um that just had a had a dog that just had um uh uh 13 puppies.
• 26:30
  Wow, and 11 of them came out and were just fine, and then the last two were born dead.
• 26:36
  Um one came out 30 minutes later, and one came out like an hour later, and that mama was so desperate, she just was desperate about those dead puppies, and just you know, licked them so desperately and really tried to bring them back to life, and it's probably what you said probably uh a compromise about how long it was taking just because there were so many puppies.
• 26:56
  Well, yeah, and and usually what we find with those is that um the most common cause of fatigue is um so probably low calcium in her, but also uh a chiropractic subluxation.
• 27:12
  Wow, because the body can't and there's three things that cause chiropractic subluxations thoughts, trauma, toxins.
• 27:21
  So was the mother during that lengthy birthing process of delivering 13 babies, was she having any adverse thoughts trauma or toxins?
• 27:34
  Probably causing vertebral subluxations, leading to early fatigue and and difficulty getting those last babies out.
• 27:44
  So, like our dog breeders, um, they take temperatures so they know that the babies are gonna be coming within the next 24 hours because the temperature will drop, and then they check um the pelvis, and we teach them all how to check the pelvis and make sure the pelvis is symmetrical, so it has the most optimal biggest hole possible because if my hand is like this, I have a big hole, and if I just get a little bit off, that hole gets smaller, it's the same size, but it's functionally smaller, and so we get calls at 9:30 at night.
• 28:22
  Um, hey, one of my dogs, temperature just dropped, and um her pelvis is out of alignment.
• 28:30
  Can I bring her in right now?
• 28:31
  Wow.
• 28:32
  Well, Bill, hold that thought right there.
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  This is so interesting.
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  I wish we could go on for hours and hours because you know I love animals and I love talking about it.
• 28:42
  Back when I was a kid, I grew up on a farm, and it was one of the only there's only two other things that I wanted to be besides a doctor, and one of them was a veterinarian.
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  So I love talking about these stories.
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• 36:30
  O, to us in the whole world that know him about his book, Yes, it's a real it's really a thing, chiropractic for all animals.
• 36:38
  Let me tell you a little bit more about today's guest, Dr.
• 36:40
  O.
• 36:41
  Um, he is a graduate of Ohio State.
• 36:43
  I'm sorry, of Iowa State.
• 36:45
  Iowa State.
• 36:46
  Iowa State, where Dr.
• 36:47
  O began his professional journey in veterinary medicine before pursuing advanced certification in animal chiropractic.
• 36:53
  Dr.
• 36:54
  O and his wife, Dr.
• 36:55
  Amy, who has also been on the 10penny files, are co-founders of the Animal Chiropractic Education Sources called ACES, an institution dedicated to training human chiropractors and veterinarians worldwide in safe and effective science-based animal chiropractic.
• 37:14
  Dr.
• 37:14
  O maintains an active clinical practice adjusting dogs, horses, livestock, and exotic animals.
• 37:20
  He also consults for competitive animal teams and works with dog units.
• 37:26
  Dr.
• 37:26
  O's singular mission is to elevate animal chiropractic as a respected mainstream component in integrative veterinary care.
• 37:35
  You know, before the break, Dr.
• 37:37
  O, we were talking about adjusting baby chickens.
• 37:40
  Are chickens your favorite animal to adjust?
• 37:44
  Um I mean, yes.
• 37:49
  But no, not really.
• 37:51
  I mean, we do have some uh chiropractors that love to do chickens.
• 37:55
  And um they're they're okay.
• 37:59
  Uh my favorite is uh professional rodeo bucket bulls.
• 38:04
  Oh, wow.
• 38:07
  You know, they're a high we're we're talking about a high-level athlete.
• 38:12
  Um that can really, really, you know, that that remember we're talking about those trauma toxins, right?
• 38:21
  Um so the reason that those bucking bulls buck is because it's their job.
• 38:28
  I mean, and they get amped up just like people do.
• 38:31
  Um, there's all kinds of videos out there.
• 38:34
  There's uh there's a 13-year-old girl that owns some of the best bulls in the in the country, and she'll walk out in the pasture and pet them.
• 38:42
  Um they let her climb on her back and everything out in the pasture, and then in the they go to the rodeo and they're like knocking these world-level cowboys off in like you know, five and six seconds.
• 38:58
  And uh, we make a huge difference and they get injured.
• 39:02
  Um the bulls does traumatox.
• 39:04
  If you have a gentleman that goes off the side and dangles there for a while, what's that gonna do to your spine?
• 39:09
  You know.
• 39:10
  Well, you know, I really understand because I've seen it with my own dog with Tegan, you know, the animal chiropractic, and you've walked me through how to adjust his shoulders, and it's so you know, small dog adjusting, and even smaller animals like goats and things like that makes sense.
• 39:28
  How in the world do you adjust a large booking bucking bull and dairy cows?
• 39:33
  How do you do that?
• 39:35
  One vertebra at a time.
• 39:40
  Um, one of the things you mentioned early on about the quote from the book about specificity.
• 39:50
  And it's all about specificity, and it's why you know, a lot of human chiropractors have things they can do uh they they
• 40:00
  Just adjust animals without any training.
• 40:03
  And but the angles of the joints are different in a lot of the different species.
• 40:12
  And so one of the things that we have here at the ranch is we we have a museum of animals that have helped us learn.
• 40:25
  And we have their spines.
• 40:40
  The owners are like, well, I yeah, I don't know what you want to do with their spine, but yes, you can have it.
• 40:48
  And so we do have 36 different species of animals in our bone room.
• 40:53
  And we look at them.
• 40:54
  And one of the um one of the amazing things for me is that we have six different deer atlases.
• 41:05
  Like there's an axis deer, there's a white tail deer, there's a mule deer, there's a black butt.
• 41:11
  Um, and they all have different slightly different ways that the joints move, and so if you know those correct angles, then the adjustment is very easy.
• 41:30
  Just like when you manipulate, like I saw you work on Dr.
• 41:34
  Amy's skull um when you were here, and you didn't hardly move at all, but you knew the correct angles, the correct way to uh suggest that those bones move, and they did, and we've gone other places to try to get the same treatment that you gave Dr.
• 42:06
  Amy, and um when we come out, I will ask, you know, well, how you feel, and Dr.
• 42:15
  Amy will say, well, she's not it wasn't Dr.
• 42:21
  10, and what's the difference?
• 42:26
  Well, the difference is that you know exactly the amount of force to use the the angles that those bones are supposed to move, and you find the ones that aren't moving, and you it's not a huge, it's just a suggestion of movement, yeah.
• 42:51
  And in osteopathy, the cranial manipulation, they call it a fluctuation.
• 42:55
  But I'm I'm interested, I really want to know.
• 42:57
  Give me an example of mechanically, how do you how do you adjust a pelvis of a cow?
• 43:05
  Um just have them set up, and you just get the the angle in the correct way, and then you just do a little thrust and they move.
• 43:15
  If you're in the correct angle, things move.
• 43:19
  If you're in the incorrect angle, nothing moves, nothing really happens.
• 43:25
  Wow, and so in there's two sides.
• 43:29
  So when the pelvis rotates, you have a high side and a low side, just like in a human.
• 43:35
  Well, in a human, when we lay down on a chiropractor's table, our high side is usually the uh most likely affected side, because when we go from standing up to laying down, okay, the way gravity affects us, changes, but it's the high side in the quadruped spine, it's most of the time the low side because of gravity and physics and all that, and so when we set up on that low side and get in the correct angle, most of the time the animal will actually help us.
• 44:18
  Interesting, and they'll be like, you know, so if if you if you set up on the wrong side, they're like, no, no, no.
• 44:26
  And if you set up on the correct side, they're like, oh.
• 44:30
  Wow, isn't that interesting?
• 44:33
  Well, how long if you are a chiropractor, a human chiropractor or a veterinarian just listening to this show, and I'm sure that a lot of people are going to run out and try to convince their chiropractor or their animal or their veterinarian to take your courses to learn how to do this.
• 44:49
  How long does it take to become an animal chiropractor?
• 44:52
  Um, well, the most important thing is first off, you have to be a licensed veterinarian or chiropractor in the United States to become a certified animal chiropractor.
• 45:01
  Um, because we have a lot of and we have high school people uh call um, you know, um young young people in their undergraduate programs and whatever, and they're like, I want to be an animal chiropractor.
• 45:15
  Well, okay, let's go to chiropractic schools, go to vet school.
• 45:18
  Um we, of course, recommend chiropractic school, even though we're both veterinarians.
• 45:23
  Uh the reason is because of the success paradigms that both professions live with.
• 45:30
  Um, veterinary medicine has one of the highest suicide rates in the um in the US for professionals.
• 45:37
  Uh, most veterinary clinics are open um a minimum of uh 60 hours a week, and usually uh most of the veterinarians work over 40 hours a week.
• 45:49
  Um corporate medicine has its good things and its bad things.
• 45:53
  One of the things is they are getting closer to a nice work week, but they're not necessarily treating veterinarians very well.
• 46:00
  Um but I've never I don't know a chiropractor's office that's open, you know, um more than you know, 40 hours a week.
• 46:12
  Um, how long does your training program last?
• 46:14
  How many how many years do people have to go through that?
• 46:17
  Well, it's 240 hours and it's self-paced, so like they could sign up today and be done in three months.
• 46:26
  Oh, wow.
• 46:28
  But we do have people that um sign up today and will be done in two years, but it's entirely up to them.
• 46:38
  Um there's five different schools in the country where veterinarians and chiropractors can go.
• 46:44
  Um, just like I know when we one of our previous conversations was that you looked really hard to know which uh osteopathy school you want to go to.
• 46:55
  Okay, um, because you went to one where they actually still taught manipulation, you still learned how to manipulate and you did it.
• 47:04
  So the other five program or the other four programs um are a one and done deal.
• 47:10
  You have to go boom boom boom, go in the right order, and you they do not let you adjust in class because they have larger class sizes is too hard.
• 47:20
  Our program is very small.
• 47:22
  Um, our biggest class size is 20, and we always um make sure that every student here every weekend they come, they adjust, they don't watch us adjust, but they actually adjust five animals.
• 47:40
  Are there any animals that should not be adjusted?
• 47:43
  Um I'm glad you asked, yes.
• 47:47
  So um number one is we we do see every once in a while an animal that has um metabolic bone disease, and and some of these animals get their their calcium levels are so low they break their own bones, usually those are in exotic animals, um, because we're not getting their dietary requirements correct, and so lizards, some of those things, those are just lizards, oh yeah.
• 48:20
  Oh my goodness, wow, yeah, monitor lizards are pretty big thing that people adjust anyway.
• 48:26
  But we always do some um neuro neurological tests before we do those, and then my um my other thing is that so I'm mainly adjusting the atlas.
• 48:39
  Um we're not gonna adjust a broken bone, of course, um, but we might adjust above and below, and so when people ask me when should I adjust, um, my biggest contraindication for adjusting an animal is if I'm having a really bad day, if my cortisol levels are really high, I should probably not adjust teeth.
• 49:09
  I should get myself right before I adjust, okay.
• 49:13
  Now, as long as the animal has a spine, it's really hard to adjust an octopus because they don't have a spine.
• 49:20
  Um, but as long as an animal has a spine, as long as the animal is breathing, it it deserves an adjustment.
• 49:29
  Um, I was in um I was in Florida in the first part of December, and Tegan had this thing that he he has an issue with his with his neck that every once in a while he just freezes and he won't move his head, he won't look up and down or whatever.
• 49:44
  So I found an animal chiropractor in Sarasota that actually had taken classes with you with you and Dr.
• 49:50
  Amy, and I didn't mention that, and um it was it was really an interesting thing to to see, and he did a great job, and as I was looking.
• 50:00
  Leaving, there was a little dog, a little chubby, tiny, like miniature, like a miniature dochin or something, maybe the miniature chihuahua.
• 50:09
  She was really chubby and running around and jumping up and down, and her name was Bubbles, which just inappropriately.
• 50:15
  And the doctor had told me when she first started coming there, she hadn't walked in three months.
• 50:21
  And it's just like on fire with all these different things.
• 50:24
  So animal chiropractic is so important.
• 50:27
  How do people find an animal chiropractor for their pet?
• 50:31
  Well, one of the things is we do have a uh animal at uh aces alumni.com.
• 50:38
  We have a map, and so you can find um one of our graduates, and then there's um American Veterinary Chiropractic Association, who is the certifying agency.
• 50:49
  You would be able to go there and find a chiropractor near you.
• 50:53
  Um, and then the other thing is just you know, if you Google animal chiropractors near me, you can find one.
• 51:01
  Make sure they do have um the credentials, you know, there's a lot of lay people that are doing animal chiropractic, and some of them get pretty good results for most of the time, but you know, um, they they do not have any licensing, they do not have most of them don't have any insurance if something would go wrong.
• 51:22
  Not that it does very often, but there's no recourse as a um as a consumer.
• 51:29
  You want to get somebody that is at least licensed, so that you know, um, make sure they're doing in fact, you know, we just had the veterinary board here um doing their routine inspection of our clinic last week, you know, because we're licensed veterinarians, and so they walk through and make sure we had all our dots, you know, eyes dotted and our T's crossed.
• 51:55
  Um I want to leave you with a story.
• 51:59
  I don't know how much time we have left, but uh we have a deer farming is a thing here in in Texas, and um the deer belong to the state.
• 52:11
  Um, and so deer farmers sell the experience of going on a hunt.
• 52:17
  And we had uh one of our friends called us up, said, Hey, we've got a deer, he's been down for a couple days.
• 52:24
  Can you come look at it?
• 52:25
  So we went out, and the deer had a broken neck.
• 52:29
  And we said, Well, you know, you could go ahead and still harvest the meat, and they were like, Well, not really.
• 52:37
  We gave him penicillin and steroids and all this stuff in order to try to get him up.
• 52:43
  And I said, Well, next time call us first.
• 52:48
  So about a year later, they did.
• 52:51
  They said, Hey, I cut another deer, run into a fence.
• 52:54
  Um, can you come look?
• 52:56
  I said, Yeah, I can come look.
• 52:58
  So we go out, and we get in the little four by four that they use to drive around their ranch, you know, and uh we drive out, and this deer is laying by the fence, and there are four buzzards on it.
• 53:14
  And I'm like, Well, I'm thinking this isn't good.
• 53:19
  So as we walk up, the buzzards, of course, fly away, and the deer kind of goes, so he's still there, he's still with us.
• 53:29
  So I examined him, and he did not have a broken neck.
• 53:33
  Uh, I adjusted his atlas.
• 53:35
  We put him on the four by four and drove the 10 minutes back to the where they were gonna let him go again in the pens, and so got him down, adjusted his atlas again, and he was kind of sitting up looking around, and I went to adjust him check him a third time, and he stood up and walked into the woods.
• 54:02
  And I was like, okay, and knew his tag number, and uh anyway, uh, called him about a month later, said, Hey, you know, we probably need to recheck that that deer, and they said, Well, we don't have any way to catch him, and he's I mean, we really haven't seen him, so I guess he's doing okay.
• 54:22
  Um, so two and a half years later, they sent me a picture of a hunter that harvested my deer.
• 54:35
  Now, people are like, Oh, that's so that's not good, but what's the purpose?
• 54:40
  We we we have a purpose in food animal, food producing animals purpose is to provide food, and so they they do, and whether that deer provided food for a hunter and his family, or for a bunch of coyotes, or four buzzards, you know, which is better for our environment and which is what we we need to do.
• 55:08
  And BJ and Didi both said, Palmer, the originators of human chiropractic, both said that if we could get all the atlases adjusted, we would um clear the prisons and the sanitariums.
• 55:23
  Uh would be a lot healthier, and our goal here is to make sure that all of our food, and by all of our food, I don't just mean here at the ranch, I mean all of our food comes from chiropractically adjusted animals.
• 55:40
  Well, Bill, we've got about a minute and a half left.
• 55:42
  So, in a really quick summary here, where can people find out more about ACEs and um take your courses and and where would you recommend that they go?
• 55:53
  Because this is really important stuff.
• 55:55
  Yes, chiro.com Yes C-H-I-R-O.com.
• 56:02
  Um, we'll get you an appointment uh on the phone with us, whatever.
• 56:06
  The otherwise it's animal chiropractic education source dot com.
• 56:13
  Um, and we would be gloved to have you and um just mention the Dr.
• 56:18
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• 56:23
  So wow, that's amazing.
• 56:25
  Well, thank you so much.
• 56:26
  I wasn't expecting that.
• 56:27
  So audience, and that is quite a gift.
• 56:29
  And yes, they do phone consults because you know, I've had lots of consults with Dr.
• 56:35
  Amy about Tegan about his food and about this and that and the other thing.
• 56:39
  Because I tell you, I am I I'm guilty of being the worst hover mom like ever.
• 56:45
  And she said she's told me, um, you're not the worst, believe me.
• 56:49
  So that makes me feel good.
• 56:52
  Well, Dr.
• 56:52
  Oh, it's been a pleasure to have this conversation with you this morning about yes, it's really a thing.
• 56:59
  Animal chiropractic, it's really an important book.
• 57:02
  It's really well written.
• 57:03
  It's it just draws you in, and you just have so many anecdotal stories and talks about things that you just really want to run out and get your your dog adjusted to make or your cat or your animal adjusted to make sure that they're in the best shape and live the longest, healthiest life ever.
• 57:17
  So, with that, I want to thank everybody who's joining us here today and is listening to us in the future.
• 57:22
  And with that, I want to close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
• 57:25
  I close everyone in my podcasts with, whether it's live or pre-recorded, which is Romans 12 12.
• 57:31
  Rejoice and hope, be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer.
• 57:35
  Leaning to God every day, he will not let you down.
• 57:37
  We'll see you here tomorrow or the next time, right here on the 10pny files on AmericaOutloud.news and iHeartRadio.
• 57:44
  We'll have a great day, everybody.
• 57:46
  Goodbye and God bless.