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Do You Accept This Roast? · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio here.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast.
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  Speaker 3: We absolutely are loving this season of life in podcasting
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  Speaker 3: and in Bachelor Nation. We're having a blast with this.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, it's probably as much fun as I've had
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  Speaker 3: doing this podcast since maybe the first or second year.
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  Speaker 3: So today we're breaking down well, Bachelor in Paradise, which
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  Speaker 3: Ashley and I both agree was a tremendous episode.
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  Speaker 4: Fantastic episode.
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  Speaker 5: But you know why because people we care about a
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  Speaker 5: lot were very heavily present in this episode. There were
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  Speaker 5: there were the leads, to be honest, you know, we
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  Speaker 5: had a lot of Rachel time. I like Rachel more
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  Speaker 5: and more every time.
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  Speaker 2: I s great, Absolutely fantastic.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we also got a lot of Katie
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  Speaker 5: Thurston and Blake, two people that we also have spent
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  Speaker 5: hours and hours watching. So I thought that those were
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  Speaker 5: two really compelled storylines in this episode. There was a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of a little boring side. The most boring
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  Speaker 5: part for me was watching the double date between Sam
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  Speaker 5: and Peter because Sam and Peter were not really invested
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  Speaker 5: in and.
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  Speaker 4: Then with Kylie and Avin.
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  Speaker 5: Now Kylie Navian was nice to see some development in
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  Speaker 5: their relationship, because you know, we feel like they're probably
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  Speaker 5: one of the stronger couples, but we haven't seen a
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  Speaker 5: ton from them. And then, just to go into the
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  Speaker 5: sequential ordering of the episode, then Katie comes down. That's
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  Speaker 5: super interesting, and then the roast happens. Now, the roast
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  Speaker 5: is interesting. So Tanner Tolbert brought up to Jared during
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  Speaker 5: Chris and Lauren's wedding festivities fift festivities that he says,
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  Speaker 5: isn't like the way that most of the drama this
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  Speaker 5: season is coming from seemingly produced segments like, of course,
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  Speaker 5: you guys, it's produced that Katie Thurston is going to
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  Speaker 5: come down and lead a comedic roast, like the contestants
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  Speaker 5: didn't on their own come up with a comedic roast, right,
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  Speaker 5: And then the other thing is the secrets box, And
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  Speaker 5: we had a secrets box segment this episode two. So
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  Speaker 5: I get it, But I also think that's probably there's
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  Speaker 5: probably not a lot going on, just because I don't
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  Speaker 5: think this this group really feels each other enough for
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  Speaker 5: there to be like a ton of authentic drama.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, this is a great episode to break down we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna start with part one, which we'll consider part one
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  Speaker 3: Michael's Date.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, we left on a cliffhanger last week Michael's Date.
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  Speaker 4: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't know who Michael was going to choose. We
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  Speaker 3: knew that Olivia felt like, in our opinion, the right
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  Speaker 3: one for him. We do see Kat not surprisingly fully
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  Speaker 3: supporting the idea that Michael would go on a date
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  Speaker 3: with Olivia.
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  Speaker 4: Because Kat wants to be home alone with.
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  Speaker 3: John Henry. She just wants to make out with John Henry.
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  Speaker 3: She wants Olivia away. So we get to Michael's date,
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  Speaker 3: and who does Michael pick. Michael picks Olivia.
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  Speaker 4: And you're right, Michael does pick Olivia.
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  Speaker 5: Last week I was saying he wasn't going to for
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  Speaker 5: drama's sake, but I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of convinced with you too, Like I
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  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I think he's gonna pick Olivia because
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  Speaker 3: it's really the only one that makes sense here, like
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  Speaker 3: nobody else really makes sense. However, I could see it
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  Speaker 3: going the opposite direction. I will say this, just add
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  Speaker 3: this in. I was not shocked that he picked Olivia,
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  Speaker 3: because there is no way in chance the show wants
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  Speaker 3: Olivia to go home. She is too much of the
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  Speaker 3: show and she's too good on this show.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's unfortunate though, it's so late in the season that, like,
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  Speaker 5: even though the two of them will exchange ross or whatever,
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  Speaker 5: it's the girls giving out the ross this week, which
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  Speaker 5: we don't see the rose ceremony, but we go into
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  Speaker 5: the lead in We're not gonna see a lot of them.
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  Speaker 5: They're not gonna make it. This is not gonna be
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  Speaker 5: an engaged couple. He comes in too late. Olivia is
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  Speaker 5: very taken by him though, and Olivia is just absolutely hilarious.
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  Speaker 4: She goes ring sigh to.
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  Speaker 5: Be determined, but I'm about to be taken And then
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  Speaker 5: right after saying that, and yes, it's probably clipped this
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  Speaker 5: way either way, she's in an interviewing go and dog
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  Speaker 5: about this man, and then the producer goes, what's his
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  Speaker 5: name again?
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  Speaker 4: She forgets the man's name.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so freaking funny.
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  Speaker 5: She just keeps saying, like, this is an attractive man.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good looking man.
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  Speaker 3: She's so funny, she's great, she's been good for Paradise.
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  Speaker 3: This is really her element. Well, they do kiss, Olivia
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  Speaker 3: and Michael do kiss. There is some excitement. As you said,
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  Speaker 3: we're pretty far through the season, so who knows how
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  Speaker 3: this ends, but we do know that there's some excitement
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to that couple. And here are the
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  Speaker 3: other couples that currently exist on the beach at this point,
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  Speaker 3: Kat and John, Henry, Avan and Kylie, Aaron and Eliza,
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  Speaker 3: Blake and Jess, Sam and Peter, Mercedes and Tyler, Michael
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  Speaker 3: and Olivia, now Tanner and Rachel. But we do have
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  Speaker 3: two new arrivals. We have two new guys showing up
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  Speaker 3: to the beach, Jordan and Taylor.
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  Speaker 5: Taylor was a eliminated Night one of Charity season and
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  Speaker 5: he's actually of a couple of night winners and we
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  Speaker 5: get it, there's always one night winner that the producers
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  Speaker 5: were like, oh, that's unfortunate they got eliminated. Will definitely
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  Speaker 5: have them back for Paradise. I think Olivia is also
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  Speaker 5: a night winner. But having this guy Taylor, who has
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  Speaker 5: absolutely no personality and it's just filling a spot. I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: come on, guys, you couldn't convince one other of Charity
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  Speaker 5: or another Bachelorette seasons guys to come on this show.
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  Speaker 5: It's feeling, it's feeling weird that it does feel some
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  Speaker 5: people are willing to come on the show now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it is odd because there's so many people. I
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  Speaker 3: bet if we sat down long enough and said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: like who would we like to see on Paradise. There's
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  Speaker 3: so many people that we didn't see this year on
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  Speaker 3: Paradise that I know you and I have both wanted
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  Speaker 3: to be there, and it does. I mean, it used
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  Speaker 3: to be kind of crazy if a Night Winner was
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  Speaker 3: brought to the beach, right, I mean, it was a
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  Speaker 3: big deal.
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  Speaker 4: It's usually just a standard one, always one.
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  Speaker 3: But this year we've had a lot of contestants, so
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  Speaker 3: we just aren't connected with Like Bachelor Nation is having
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  Speaker 3: to going to Google and say, you know, Taylor Charity
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  Speaker 3: season just to figure out who it is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh huh Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So Taylor comes in, but he comes in with Jordan,
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  Speaker 5: who I do remember quite vividly from Rachel and Gaby
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  Speaker 5: season because Jordan was that very adorable guy race car driver,
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  Speaker 5: made a seriously good first impression night one and then
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  Speaker 5: goes on to her first one on one date. And
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  Speaker 5: in this episode, Rachel admits that she made a mistake
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  Speaker 5: in eliminating him so early. Should have given him more
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  Speaker 5: of a chance. So it just seems natural that the
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  Speaker 5: two of them are going to go on this date
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  Speaker 5: when Jordan gets the date guard and they do and
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  Speaker 5: they do Tandric yoga, and it is the they got chemistry.
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  Speaker 5: They have mad chemistry, and they also kiss on their
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  Speaker 5: first date back a year and a half ago.
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  Speaker 2: But didn't we say this, like Ashley, We were.
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  Speaker 4: Like, Rachel, what, Rachel?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 4: You guys have something?
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  Speaker 5: I I think maybe she was just taking her role
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  Speaker 5: too seriously on that first one on one where she
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  Speaker 5: was like, if I don't see him as my husband
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  Speaker 5: at this point, then I have to eliminate him, because
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  Speaker 5: I'm assuming it's like a learning process. It was her
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  Speaker 5: first date as a bachelorette.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody should have gotten in her ear though, been like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: even if you don't think he has yet, he's good
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  Speaker 3: enough to give him time. And obviously there was chemistry.
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  Speaker 3: I mean this date it radiates chemistry for me. I
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  Speaker 3: am a little surprised.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Granted, I don't think he had a lot of choices, right,
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  Speaker 3: there's not a lot of single people still on the beach.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that he was willing to give it a
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  Speaker 3: second shot, he was lingering.
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  Speaker 5: Okay for both of them, like oh, we have to
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  Speaker 5: do this because like we're going to wonder what if
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  Speaker 5: for too long. She was so happy to get the
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  Speaker 5: invite and the chemistry was great. It was like it
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  Speaker 5: was palpable, Like I really felt it, which is.
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  Speaker 4: Why I was shocked.
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  Speaker 5: When she comes home, Tanner brings up the fact that like, Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just I was kind of disappointed to see you
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  Speaker 5: go on the date because I gave you my Rose
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  Speaker 5: the Roast ceremony the night before because I was in
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  Speaker 5: you know, she said, he said that, and then she
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  Speaker 5: was like, but I thought it was like a friendship Rose,
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, Rachel, what what do you mean a
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  Speaker 5: friendship ros? You guys had a sexy makeout before that
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  Speaker 5: roads was handed to you. That was a really hot makeout.
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  Speaker 3: It was, but remember it was set up. It was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you're attractive, I'm attractive. You want to make out.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like a I felt like friends. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it felt like friends.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would feel more like, hey, you and
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  Speaker 3: I are both on the beach, were the two single
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  Speaker 3: people here. You're attractive, I'm attractive. I want to have
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  Speaker 3: some like physical intimacy. I want to feel like connected
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  Speaker 3: to somebody. I haven't really since I've been here. Let's
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  Speaker 3: make out they did. I just didn't feel like it
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  Speaker 3: was anything worth speaking of, Like could I see them
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  Speaker 3: going on a date?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Do I think there was any type of relationship here?
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  Speaker 2: Not at all.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was significant because his that kiss made
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  Speaker 5: him in some way not choose Davia, who he was
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  Speaker 5: gaga over before the date, during the date, supposedly after
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  Speaker 5: the date, so that that was the hottest kiss he's
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  Speaker 5: ever had, was with Davia. And then he goes and
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  Speaker 5: picks Rachel. So in my head, I'm like, oh, he
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  Speaker 5: really likes Rachel. So I was confused why Rachel didn't
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  Speaker 5: think otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: And that's interesting and very true. Something happened between him
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  Speaker 3: and Davia that ended it, and we just want to
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  Speaker 3: see it. And that was the frustrating part about last week.
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  Speaker 3: We felt like there was too many like loose ends
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  Speaker 3: that we just didn't get any clarity to. That was
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  Speaker 3: maybe one of the most confusing to us, was Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this was such a good relationship and then all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden it's done. We don't know, we don't see
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  Speaker 3: them have a discussion. We don't see them talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: We don't see them have any type of separation and breakup.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, when he met with Rachel, I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was more in the perspective of you and I are
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  Speaker 3: both don't have anybody here at this point, like do
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  Speaker 3: you want to hang out? So at that point when
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  Speaker 3: and they sat down together, I think Davey and Tanner
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  Speaker 3: were already done for whatever reason that we don't get,
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  Speaker 3: you know that we're not privy to see.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, alrighty, So anyway, I love all this with
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  Speaker 5: Rachel because again, I just like really like watching her
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  Speaker 5: and I just think she's a sweet soul. And Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so basically Tanner says that first thing, and then they
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  Speaker 5: take a break from each other and she.
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  Speaker 4: Talks to who does she talk to? She talks to
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  Speaker 4: one of.
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  Speaker 5: His friends and it is like no, no, no, Tanner
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  Speaker 5: is like really into you.
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  Speaker 4: And then they go and they talk.
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  Speaker 5: And then Tanner is vulnerable and mushy and adorbs for
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  Speaker 5: the first real time to me, like, I was like,
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  Speaker 5: oh wait, maybe I'm going to root for this, because
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  Speaker 5: in my head after seeing the Jordan date, I was like, ah, no,
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  Speaker 5: Rachel and Jordan, they've got to keep this going.
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  Speaker 4: They made the.
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  Speaker 5: Mistake before to not keep it going, and now they're
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  Speaker 5: seeing that there really is something.
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  Speaker 4: Got to keep it going.
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  Speaker 5: But then Tanner was so freaking cute and talking about
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  Speaker 5: how he says, like he comes home all day long
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  Speaker 5: he thinks about wanting a girlfriend and spend Yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: was just just the most adorable thing. And he's just
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  Speaker 5: really serious about finding someone. And then they kiss and
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  Speaker 5: she says that that was like the most special, attractive
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  Speaker 5: thing she's ever heard a guy say, or at least
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  Speaker 5: that guy down there on that beach.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, I guess I'm Jim Tanner.
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  Speaker 4: Now I don't know. Can she just she's the bachelorette
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  Speaker 4: in Paradise?
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  Speaker 5: Which is why I thought later in the episode it
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  Speaker 5: was weird that they kept making it seem like she
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  Speaker 5: was sort of trying to talk herself out of options,
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  Speaker 5: Like why is the bachelorette in Paradise not with a guy?
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, right now, she seems to be interested in both,
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  Speaker 5: so let's not make fun of her.
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  Speaker 3: You know, isn't it wild how quickly somebody can go
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  Speaker 3: from going home like you know, minutes away from not
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  Speaker 3: getting a rose to then being in a love triangle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like she literally had nobody and now she has too many.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that happens in Paradise so often. And I do
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  Speaker 5: wonder what's gonna happen at this cocktail party that we're
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  Speaker 5: about to see next week, because she's gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: make a decision on Jordan and Tanner and right away.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you feel worse for us? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: I feel worse for first, worse for Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: I think I do too.
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  Speaker 4: I just feel like it's let on.
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  Speaker 2: He's let on. He's gonna hate Rachel.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna be like you are, like literally the one
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  Speaker 3: like you have just like wrecked me twice now and
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  Speaker 3: like an unpredictable and moments that it was so unexpected.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, m totally anything else worth mentioning on Thom just
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  Speaker 4: looking at our notes.
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  Speaker 2: No, we can move on.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, alrighty, okay, next up? Oh my gosh, the truth box.
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  Speaker 5: Truthbox is like saying stupid things about like guys having
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  Speaker 5: shaved legs, and then it gets to this one. Tyler
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  Speaker 5: doesn't like Mercedes as much as every Okay, well, here
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  Speaker 5: here's the Verbandum, Tyler, everyone knows you're not that into Mercedes.
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  Speaker 5: You better come clean because she deserves the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you think wrote it?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know who do you think
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  Speaker 4: wrote it?
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  Speaker 3: It's hard because at this point, like, Okay, Cat is
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  Speaker 3: the well Cat.
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  Speaker 2: Is the only one I can think of. Kat is
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  Speaker 2: the one that's been all about the truth box.
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  Speaker 4: Brandon seems like he was into the toothbox too.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, but Kat is friends with Mercedes, and so I
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  Speaker 3: wonder if Kat knows or thinks she knows something that Cat.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like like Cat burbage, right, everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Knows, Yes, everybody knows, you better come clean?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Like what do you mean everybody knows? No, not
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  Speaker 3: everybody knows. Mercedes obviously doesn't know, so not everybody knows.
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  Speaker 3: But it sounds like something she would say.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, And then I'm so weirded out by Tyler's reaction.
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  Speaker 5: He basically like smiles and laughs, And then I'm surprised
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  Speaker 5: by mercedes reaction is actually so on the outside kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Laughs.
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  Speaker 5: She looks lighthearted on the outside, but we know because
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  Speaker 5: of her confessional segments that she's upset about it. But
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  Speaker 5: I'm like Tyler, if somebody read that in front of me,
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  Speaker 5: I would immediately pull her aside and start talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: And as far as we see, he doesn't just brushes
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  Speaker 5: it off. It's like a big thing. And if I
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  Speaker 5: were Mercedes, I'd be like, I'm just gonna let this
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  Speaker 5: sit in the air.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean we this isn't you know, super shocking
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  Speaker 3: to us. And that's kind of shocking because he did
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  Speaker 3: make out with Jess and then go back to Mercedes.
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  Speaker 3: So he made out with Jess and went back to Mercedes. Again,
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  Speaker 3: we don't know if he went back to Mercedes because
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  Speaker 3: Jess said, Hey, I actually I'm going to pursue things
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  Speaker 3: with Blake and he goes, well, okay, Mercedes, you're my girl?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Was it default?
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  Speaker 3: Was it default? Is the question that we don't see.
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  Speaker 3: We don't see how he made that decision. Again, that
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  Speaker 3: was a weird scene where we see Jess and Tyler
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  Speaker 3: making out and then we never really get anything else
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  Speaker 3: from it.
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  Speaker 5: Ever. Again, he's no, we never know whether Mercedes found
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  Speaker 5: it out about that.
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  Speaker 4: It just reaction. I suppose.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, her reaction seemed as if she must know, because
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  Speaker 5: if she didn't, then it would be even more shocking
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  Speaker 5: to her, and I think she would have been like
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  Speaker 5: what anyway, Okay, So we revisit that later in the
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: episode during the roast. So then, hilariously, in like some
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: of the cutesy stuff that they have Pepper through the episode,
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  Speaker 5: kat is teaching the boys aga class, and then the
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  Speaker 5: big drama of the episode happens Katie arrives.
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  Speaker 2: Katie wait so long for this? We did?
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  Speaker 4: We waited so long.
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  Speaker 5: And the answer to our debate on whether or not
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  Speaker 5: she was there to date is we were or.
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  Speaker 4: I was wrong.
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  Speaker 5: She's not there to date, but she and Jesse certainly
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  Speaker 5: played it up like she was when she was about
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  Speaker 5: to walk down too. And yea, it was well done.
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  Speaker 5: It was well done, and it was so much better
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  Speaker 5: than when Hannah Brown came down and pretended like she
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: was going to date. Like we didn't have to do that.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: All Katie did when she pulled Blake aside, and you
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: know that they had her walk down those stairs at
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: this week because they wanted to test Blake. And as
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: soon as those two sat down started talking each other,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: the feelings were again I'm gonnause the word palpable. You
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: felt everything through the TV. The heart drops, just like
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: the sweaty palms, the dry mouth that you get when
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: you are talking to someone who makes you nervous, whether
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: that's because it's been over two years since you guys talked,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: or because maybe you still love them.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: When the producer asked Katie, do you still love him?
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: She couldn't answer it. So now I want them to
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: revisit each other in real life because it felt like
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: there could have been something still there.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, did we see like they're ten minutes of a
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: reunion on TV in this in the place like under
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: the TV cameras. Yeah, it's gonna be probably more intense
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: there than it would be in real life.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: But there's something there.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: And what they wanted him to feel was that feeling
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: so that he can make a definitive decision about what's
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: going on with Jess, and it worked. He knew right
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: after sitting down with Katie that it's not there with Jess,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: not enough.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: He said, he knows what love feels like after.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Sitting down with Katie, even if it's just through memories.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: And a little bit of this is unfair to me.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I exactly like this because Katie
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and Blake have a long history. They have been through
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: normal life together. There's been a deep connection between the
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: two of them. Of course, when somebody that you care
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: about and you've been attracted to and you've had memories with,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: you see again, there is always still that connection.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I think there is. I get that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: So of course he's gonna, maybe in his mind, be
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: asked to compare it to Jess, and he's gonna say, yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: it's not it's not there yet.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Kadians.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: But Katie and Blake weren't there yet after four weeks
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: of dating, he said.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: He said, I had even less time dating Katie on
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: the Bachelorette, and I felt stronger in less time for
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Katie than I do for Jess after spending twenty four
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: seven with her for two three weeks.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I just don't I just didn't enjoy the decision having
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: to be made or being made at this point. I mean,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of emotions still involved in this relationship.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: It's obvious there was. You know, Katie's crying when she's
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: asked do you still love him? Like there is still
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: something there. But the question that we want to know
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: is are they gonna even try to figure it out?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Because if they don't, then Blake needs to move on.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: She is, yeah, but Blake can move on, but he's
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: definitely shouldn't be moving on to Jess, who he doesn't
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: feel strongly enough for I think, and she doesn't feel.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Strongly enough for him.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: She keeps saying, and I've pointed it out before, it's weird.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: She's like, everything has just been kind of like a
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: train wreck for me here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, it's not.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Has anybody barely you had one moment of somebody stealing
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: your man.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: You've been fine.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: You have been wishy washy and whether or not you
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: like him enough you took that pause then you realize
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: you liked him enough, but both of you have been
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: hesitant the entire time.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I've just been a fan of that relationship since
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the beginning because just came on the podcast and she
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: was very sweet.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: We obviously had Blake come on. He's very nice.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I think it would something that could have worked or
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: at least been given a shot. And if we lose them,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: But if we lose them, then, like, I don't know
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: who I'm cheering for right now. We do, we still
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: have Kylie Nevin even but we don't see hardly any
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: of them. And yes, this episode had a little bit
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: more and it had some emotion involved in their relationship,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: but we haven't seen enough of them to really be
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: you know, tied into it. Really we saw more of
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: them when there was drama around their relationship and there
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: was the Olivia situation. Still, I don't know, I just
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: don't want to lose one more happy couple on the
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: speech because I don't know who in the heck is
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: going to make it to the end, because I've.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Just never felt the happy couple in them.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: You know, Katie wasn't just there to meet with Blake.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: She was also there to lead a date, which seems
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to be another trend this season is having lead you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: it's a roast, it's a it's the same thing. It's
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: like the same thing. Is that the same thing as
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Hannah Brown did? It is yeah, a trend this season
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: where you rally everybody around and you do something together.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Call it a date, call it a group activity, call
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: it just some you know, decent TV.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's still a thing. And she leads a roast obviously.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Because as we've talked to Katy about, she is a
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: professional comedian, so she's gonna be good at this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: The roast. The roast makes my palm sweat. Honestly. It me.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Here's a trend this year actually that I just want
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: to highlight to you. Okay, see if you agree or
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: agree or disagree, it feels like the show is doing
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: everything they possibly can to make people talk smack on
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Well, yes, that's what I was saying earlier with Tanner.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Tolbert was saying, it just feels like weird dow scenes
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: to create drama.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But like drama does, if there's no drama, a monkst
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: these couples then tell us the.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Storyline feelings aren't big enough.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the feelings aren't big enough where you didn't
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: cast it properly or you know whatever. But I think
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: there's been enough drama on the show for me to
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: be entertained. You know, we've have Braiden, We've had some
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: drama with Cat, We've had some drama with Olivia. There's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: been enough drama for me to be entertained. It just
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: feels so synthetic to me when you're like, here's a
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: box that you can talk bad about somebody in and
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: never be known, and here's a roast that we can
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: all just like roast each other and talk and like
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: make fun of each other and just see if anything
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: comes from it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And to me, it's kind of dirty.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this was really this was hard. I was audibly
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: being like, oh ah, best part was even impersonating Rachel,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: and that was just fine.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: That's a little sweet impersonation. But there are certain things.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, like, Cat, I mean Cat, we you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: in our headline episode this week, we talked about how
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Cat asked calls for kindness.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Now, I get it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Kat has definitely been outrageous on this season of the Bachelorette.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: We've talked about it here, we'll continue to talk about it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Her behavior has not been one that we've been like, yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: go Kat, like we totally understand what you're doing and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: we totally agree with everything you're saying. But like, obviously,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Kat is what the show should know. If you're the
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: kind of the villain on a season, and you know
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be hard enough when people watch it for
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: that contestant, don't make it even harder by, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: getting like the verbal words being said from other castmates.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron calls her red flag. Blake says she's
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: full of shit. Tanner says her face wasn't moving from
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: because of all the botox she gets.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Olivia says, then she was like, yeah, so it's working
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: and it's good.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, girl, I get it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: It just still has to It still hurts. It still
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: hurts enough, and you hear it. I don't know at
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: this point if Kat is understanding that, yes, actually not
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: everybody agrees with everything she's doing. I still think that's
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a question I have.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's this whole thing feels dirty
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to me. It just just feels unnecessary.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I just mentioned that even making fun of the way
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: that Rachel sometimes talks was fun, and that was like
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: exactly the way it should be, is like lighthearted. The
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: one that comes later forget who says it says that
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: like what's wrong with Rachel? She was the bachelorette and
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: now she had thirty three guys to choose from, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: now she has a whole beach full and she still
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: can't find one. Like that was just really mean and like,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: what are you even talking about? Plenty of guys have
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: shown interest in.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Her, Yeah, And I mean I think also it's very mean.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: First off, second, off, she's singles, so why shouldn't she
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: be there? And she isn't like any better than any
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: of you, and she's not any worse than any of you.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: You've all been rejected on this show, you've all had
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: a breakup from the show, so you're all on an
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: equal playing field. And took Rachel's credit. She has handled Paradise,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: not like she is above anybody else. She's handled it
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: just like everybody else. And I think that is to
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: her credit and something admirable that she didn't come down
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and be like, I'm the bachelorette, so like, yeah, boys
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: flock to me, that's not a thing.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: And then there was also a comment again about Mercedes,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: about just Tyler not liking Mercedes, and.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Again Tyler smiles and laughs.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I guess you really don't like her,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: but now your reactions making it even more cruel. All
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: this is not addressed really yet, because it seems everybody
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: runs off crying, okay, and then they go to bed.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: The next day they're separated as the girls and the
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: guys are before a rose ceremony, they come together and
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: this is where it'll all be pretty much addressed in
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: the pre pre Rose Ceremony cocktail party. And the only
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: thing we really get teased going into it though, is
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Blake pulling Jess aside and she's like, I'm scared, I'm scared,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: and he is pulling her to the breakup bed. So
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: many breakups have happened on that far side bed, and uh,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: this is where he says like he has spent so
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: much more time with her, but with Katie he knew
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: by now, and he says he should feel he should
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: feel like he knows with her by now, and we'll
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: see how the rest of the conversation unfolds.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another teaser. The roast really set a weird
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: vibe for me.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: It was like, really, I mean, I totally feel you.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I totally feel I would be so uncomfortable in that situation.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I could never even say those things.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Really want those things said about me, so I don't
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: want to say about anybody else. It just reminds me
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: like that there's people behind the scenes watching this.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: How did they feel okay about this?
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Everybody was very emotional, like they were obviously feeling very
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: down on themselves, and You're sitting back and like, hey, dad,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: this worked like perfect everybody had a big reaction. It's like, no,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: this is unfair to them. You set them up for this.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: There was I mean, I guess yes. It goes back
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: to what I always say. You as a contestant could
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: have said no, I'm not doing this, like I'm just
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: not participating, right.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: You had that ability.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: However, not everybody has the confidence or maybe the knowledge
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: of the show, especially the night winterers, to put their
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: foot down and be like, no, not doing this, not participating.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: This seems terrible from every angle. I didn't like it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't agree with it. I don't think it was
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: a good date. I hope they never do it again.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And I think all it was ever going to do
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: was going to cause more drama, more pain, probably some
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: more insecurities. It's gonna probably bring up some stuff about
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you know, each individual person that they've tried to either
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: move on from or heal from. And for me, I
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: think it's absolutely ridiculous.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Can't go on.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Now I'm realizing I actually really really don't like ros
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: I don't find the ones on Comedy Central, funny, stand
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: up comedy, make fun of something for a few minutes,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: and then move on. Nobody needs to be roasted.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Right, okay, And then just a few things we didn't
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: mention throughout the rest of the recap is Eliza and
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Aaron b decide that they are officially boyfriend and girlfriend,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: which is hilarious because in a couple of days they
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: could be officially fiancees. And then we also.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Got from Avon and Kylie that they are falling for
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: each other. And then there's Sam and Peter, who are
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: really coasting by and actually seem relatively strong. But I
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: don't think we expect much from them for some reason. Again,
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I think it's just people we don't really know, so
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: we just kind of brush them aside no offense this point.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: They're my favorite to get engaged.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I have no I like have like
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: what two picks, and I'm like, I think Avian and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Kyler are going to engage because they feel like a couple. Yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: every year that's going to get engaged at the end
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: of this because they're hardly shown, we don't see a lot.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: We see snippets, and then like the last episode is
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: going to be all about them, which is fantastic, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: they're going to do is like a little monologue through
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: their relationship, and I'll be like, oh, that's cool that
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: they said that to each other that wasn't shown.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna be like, yeah, they'll be engage.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: They seem in love.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: But it's so weird this season in Paradise, Like usually
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: there's five couples that were like, goodness, gracious, this feels
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: like something special, we just don't have it right now.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: And somebody is a breakup. I bet you have. It's
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: a shock breakup. It will either be Kylie. Yeah, it'll
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: be Kylie, It'll.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Be one of the two couples still together.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, so here's my call.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: One of those two couples will break up and the
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: other one will get engaged. And then there's that thing
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: that we mentioned last week. Will there actually be a
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: wedding like they teased or will it be some random
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: wedding at the Vendanta that they run into.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's a random wedding at this point. I
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: do it just and it feels weird, Like what next,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: you know, next week or whenever the next episode is,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: We're going to tune in and all of a sudden
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: there's a wedding in Paradise, like they haven't it just
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: be a really weird wedding to have, and there's been no.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Likely Will you be my wife actually tomorrow?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we will marry me today. Anyways, this has been
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: another episode of Bachelor in Paradise. Again. We thought this
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: episode was better than most. It was engaging, it was intriguing.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: There was some other storylines I just personally cannot promote
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: or get behind the roast. I think it was unnecessary.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I thought this episode was really good on its own
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: without that, I did not think they needed it. And
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I thought it was trying too hard to do too
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: much in kind of the realm of pain and insecurity,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: and I just think that the show shows better than
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: that at this point.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a little bit of a trash
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: TV moment, right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It just didn't feel like it fit.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: But hey, that's me and that's why I sit behind
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: this Mike, and I don't have a job on the show.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I really have no say so.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Anyways, until next time, we'll be breaking down a ton
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: of stuff this week. We've got some great episodes coming out.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: We got some great interviews with some couples who had
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: just gotten married. We have the headlines out, we have
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor to break down. Obviously, we just broke down Paradise.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: There's so much good going on, ash We're busy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: All right, seeya bye.
• 31:07
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• 31:07
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• 31:11
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