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Islamic Freemasonry & the Secret Societies Creating Endless Middle East Wars w/ Leo Zagami · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. If there's one area, one region, one topic that I find consistently confusing, it's The Middle East. And a great example of that is if you look at the anti Israel pro Palestine Protesters that are very anti Jew that are being funded by Soros, who's very closely tied with Israel and is a very prominent Jew, that's just the tip of the iceberg of the confusion that is out there. And I think that whenever we fall into this, mentality of a versus b, left versus right, us versus them, and we generalize, we're falling into the trap.
• 0:57
  We're falling into the trap of these these creatures, these monsters that are trying to eliminate us from this earth, which is focusing on this one particular group that, okay, it's only them. Whereas I think it's much broader and much more complicated than that. And so joining us today is Leo Zagami, who is a self professed, ex Illuminati, someone who was within this class of people within these secret societies that left has now become a whistleblower, lives here in America now, very pro America. And he's he's written books and books and books on this. And and when you hear him speak, it's like he's just dumping book knowledge.
• 1:34
  I mean, he's he's so well researched, but he's a great person to get perspective on. And so he and I are gonna be talking a lot about the Illuminati and the secret society origins of the conflicts in The Middle East, specifically how it ties into Islam, but also the other religions. So it's gonna go pretty deep. He's someone that talks a lot, which you'll see. And so I just I I asked my questions.
• 1:57
  I let him answer. So if you need us to slow the show down perhaps, he has a pretty thick Italian accent, maybe you need to do that. But this guy is just loaded with information. So folks, please enjoy the show. And you're all set?
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: Yep. Okay.
• 2:20
  Seth Holehouse: Pardon me? Mister Leo Zagami, it is great to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for being here today.
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. And, of course, with a new book and so many new topics so that we can outline during your excellent show.
• 2:40
  Seth Holehouse: And I have to say our conversations are never boring. They're they're the opposite. They're fascinating. And and you have such an interesting perspective on so many things that it just I'm I'm excited for this. So in our last interview, which we we dove into a lot of different topics, one thing you mentioned was this upcoming book talking specifically about I'll I'll pull it up for folks.
• 3:04
  It's Confessions of an Illuminati volume 10 Islamic Freemasonry and the Secret Societies Behind the Eternal Conflict in The Middle East. And this is really great because I love I'm not happy with the surface. I'm not happy even with 10 feet below the surface. I wanna go straight down in in, like, the deepest origins to understand what's really happening. And The Middle East is a place that I find consistently very difficult to understand.
• 3:32
  Like, especially when you're looking at, you you have for instance, Soros, who's Jewish funding the anti Jewish Palestinian, you know, pro Palestinian protests yet. Like, there's all these things that
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: Well, you went into a topic that actually I cite in my book, and I explained also why Zoro
• 3:51
  Seth Holehouse: says that. Well, good. So so let's just I mean, we're just let's just go ahead and get jump in. So help us make sense of these secret societies and how they tie in to what we're seeing play out with The Middle East, with Islam, the holy war. It seems like they're trying to bring about a holy war between the Christians, the Jews, and the the Muslims.
• 4:15
  So anyway, wherever you want to start, just go ahead and dive right in.
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: Sure. Well, this book was something that I wanted to really write for a long time. I was really into getting this book together for almost two decades because of my past experiences, direct experiences with Islam in The Middle East, in Turkey. So this is a book which is of course considered an essay, but has also biographical elements of importance. And it has actually been written also in a way reflecting the times we are living because as soon as I started writing this book, it was early October, a week later, we had the seventh of October attacks on Israel and the unleashing of this chaos.
• 5:19
  This chaos that is, of course, manipulated, controlled, crafted as part of a very ancient alliance, which has seen the nice tempers having one of the most important fortresses in Gaza already a few hundred years ago, as well as Gaza becoming the holy city of the Sabbateans, which are these heretical Jews. So when you ask me about Gersoros, this guy is no ordinary Jew. He is basically a Sabbatian Frankist. And who are the Sabbatian Frankists? They are basically the ones who in a way inspired even the Holocaust.
• 6:03
  And we know that George Soros had even an active role in rounding up his fellow Jews, which is quite incredible. This book is not about taking sides. I want to stress this out, but it's about bringing clarity, especially in subjects that are not known, like you said, outside of The Middle East, especially here in America, we don't really know what's happening. And a lot of times our servicemen and women are sent abroad to fight these hideous wars for the military industrial complex without really knowing why they're fighting them or most of the times with some kind of narrative that is being built up and is of course the fruit of disinformation or a big psychological operation. So this book is very important for me personally because this year, my son, which I have not seen since 02/2008, Isaac Krumi, is actually dedicated to him, will be 18.
• 7:12
  And this book explains how in 02/2008, basically I was accused of espionage. The mother who was my first wife brought him away from me because she is part of this very important Sunni Islamic movement called the Gulen Movement. The father was a co founder with Fethullah Gulen and we know from the media that Fethullah Gulen of course was accused of being the guy behind the coup in twenty sixteen in Turkey. So I have never seen my son again and I hope he will read this book, but I know that he's being brought up by his stepfather, Murat Sarayli, who is a senior member of the World Economic Forum. So here we have basically not only an essay about the history of Islam to make people also understand the complexity of this religion, because this religion was born of course in the Arab Peninsula, but soon after spread, spread like a disease we can say, but also spread accordingly to their own version of monotheism that had to be implemented by force, by the sword most of the times.
• 8:36
  And at the same time, see also that within the very same family of Mohammed controversies arise and that basically we soon end up with the schism, which brought up the other faction, which is now also known through Iran, which is the Shiite faction of Islam, Shi'a Islam. And in my book, I wanted to explain to the average Joe how this religion was born, how in spreading its tentacles around what used to be very ancient traditions and lands because it arrived in Egypt, it arrived in Persia. Here we're talking about Sumeria, ancient Sumeria. I mean, we're talking about how a religion born out of seemingly modest surroundings like merchants in Make arrive to become so powerful. And so this book really reveals all that and more facts that are little known even to Muslims themselves.
• 9:43
  I did all my research, of course, like I told you partly because I was myself involved with Islam one time because after I conducted this ritual in Cairo, I met my first wife who was a descendant of Prophet Mohammed. And of course, you are obliged to be a Muslim to marry a Muslim. On the contrary, A, a Muslim can marry a Christian woman. That's very convenient, but that already gives you an idea now. Then unfortunately, things didn't go very well because I discovered that this organization, the Fethullah Gulen Movement Organization was actually connected to the Jesuits and who even wrote the introduction for one of the most important books of Fetulagullen, which openly talks about New World Order.
• 10:35
  Giuliani tried to convince Donald J. Trump to extradite Gullen who is here living in Pennsylvania, here in America, but he didn't manage to do that. Fethullah Gulen is still living here, protected mostly by the Clinton Foundation because he's very close to Bill and Hillary Clinton. So when we are talking about Islam, it's not only a religion, it's also a very political setup because the Quran itself is not only a religious system, it's also a juridical system, a legal system. And of course, the average American will have for the first time, and I'm really stressing this because my book has arrived to be one of the bestsellers in Islamic social studies, in Islamic history categories on Amazon.
• 11:28
  So this is like with books like Son of Amas, for example. The other day I was actually number two, he was number one. I mean, this book is having a good success and I hope it will have also wide success in the Muslim world because of course it could open up the eyes of many people. When you talked earlier and you introduced the show, you said some very very interesting things like the fact that you don't want to simply scratch the surface. You want to go deep into the information.
• 12:04
  And this book really goes deep, deep, deep, and it brings you at the end to acknowledge that here there is an almost one thousand year alliance between the Western Illuminati, who at the time were the Knights Tempers, who allied secretly with a faction of Islam to operate the divide and conquer policy or divide and rule amongst Islamic factions that were already fighting. So the Nisemper allied with the Shia Muslim, the Shiite, Nizari Assassins to execute their enemies in the Sunni world of the advancing Tzeguk Turks of Saladin. This already gives you an idea. I mean, the secret alliance is pretty unorthodox and I mean, the time we didn't have Protestant churches or evangelical churches. We had, of course, the oriental churches, which were prevalent in the Byzantine Empire.
• 13:03
  And we had also, of course, the Vatican with his form of Christianity that was very influential, but wasn't that influential in The Middle East. However, legends have sprung up on the internet due to some information that was relayed by an alleged Jesuit called Alberto Rivera that the Vatican was even behind the creation of Islam. I wanted to immediately clarify this point in my book explaining that in reality, the rise of Mohammed that was facilitated by the cousin of his first wife who was also the woman who sponsored them. Otherwise, he would never have been able to go for decades in a cave channeling an hypothetical angel to write down this Quran. She was one of the richest women in Mecca.
• 13:57
  Mecca was a pagan center with three sixty idols, but the cousin of Khadijah, the first wife of Muhammad, was actually an Ebionite priest, Christian Ebionite priest. Now the Christian Ebionites are a Jewish sect that converted to Christianity without adopting certain elements that of course Rome sanctioned like the divinity of Jesus and all the rest. But they were very monotheistic. And today there is habits that talk about it, but they are ignored by Muslim scholars because the fact that a Christian could have inspired Muhammad is already a bit controversial. But in my book, I dig much deeper than that because I show how the controversy that started from the fourth caliph of the Rashudun caliphate, which was the caliphate that started with the first appointed caliph by Mohammed, the Bubakar, who was basically the one that is still recognized by the Sunni.
• 15:03
  One instead, the Shia recognized equally as important the cousin of Mohammed who married his daughter Fatima, Hali. Okay, this might seem just like a squabble between relatives and friends, but it became of course a very important thing in the development of Islam, especially when Islam, like I said just a moment ago, started to spread in Persia, Egypt. I mean, one point, the Fatimid dynasty, which was Shia, Ismaili Shia, established itself in the future city of Cairo, known initially as Al Qaira. And Cairo, as you can imagine, had a preexisting amount of knowledge coming from ancient times from their date is from Alexandria of Egypt from Memphis that was an important send center for the worship of Isis of Serabi. So what happens here?
• 16:11
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• 16:44
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• 17:59
  Speaker 3: What happens is that basically this caliph that establishes itself or this dynasty that establishes itself within the Shia world became very successful. And it's probably in the history of the Shia Muslims, most successful because at one point they expanded from Cairo to Sicily, so all South Of Italy, all the Middle East going down to Syria, all the Middle East going down to Mecca and Medina. So I mean, here we are talking about they never really managed to take over Baghdad, but they were kind of attempting that too. The Fatimid dynasty lasted not so long after all, lasted a couple of centuries. We can say that their influence lasted a couple of centuries, but it was of course a very influential moment for Shia Islam and also for Islam conquering lands that belonged earlier to the Byzantine Empire.
• 19:05
  So Christians of course were converted, and at times they were not really converted. It's not true that they were always converted by the sword. At times they were converted out of convenience. What does it mean? That when they arrived in a place, if you were Jewish or Christian, you would be recognized as a legitimate religion, but then you will also have to pay extra taxes.
• 19:31
  You will also have problems in maybe your own career, not reaching the heights of whatever institution you belong because of course the Muslims were giving a more favorable option. So what happens here? That out of convenience, a lot of people just say, Okay, Muslim. But there were also those who, like I explained in this book, made a different choice, a very different choice that actually ended up being a key factor in the buildup of the Renaissance in Europe. I'm talking about the city of Iran.
• 20:09
  Iran was now it's in ruins, it's in present day Turkey. It was a city established by the merchants of the city of Ur, so we're talking about ancient Sumeria. We're talking about a very ancient city that worshiped the goddess seen Nana, the moon goddess. And here we go back to the symbol of Islam. The moon is not just a coincidence.
• 20:34
  It's that the absorbing the pre existing moon goddesses that were so popular like ISIS in The Middle East that in the end they are featured in the symbolism Islam, but initially actually the moon and the crescent was not really a symbol of Islam. So Iran became the chief seat of the Illuminati of the Middle East. And when they were actually reached by the Muslim caliph, they made a very clever decision. The Muslim caliph at the time Geneva was conquering the lands, there and says, What religion are you? And these guys said, What religion are we here?
• 21:18
  Because otherwise there. And said, okay, why don't you talk with that lawyer? I mean, that was something that really, I mean, it's quite shocking if you think about a lawyer. A lawyer is featured in this moment, you know, these people arrive there and said, No, no, no, don't worry. When you come back from the rest of your conquest, that lawyer is going to give you the answer.
• 21:38
  So the lawyer went into the study of the Quran and found an eschamotage. He found that basically the people of the book, the holy people of the were not only the Christians and the Jews but also the mysterious Sabeans that nobody knew what they were. So because nobody knew what they were, when the caliph came back, said, what a region you. We are Sabeans, and who is your God? And because Sabean is featured in the Quran, they had to accept it.
• 22:09
  And that was how the Hermetica, which as you know is at the foundations of the Renaissance and the rebuilding of a cultural revolution that changed forever the history of the Western world, is actually due to the fact that these people have preserved a lot of ancient knowledge that have been destroyed in Europe, eliminated. Even Greek philosophers have been eliminated. So today, often the Arab world talks about, well, we have the golden age, you know, we invented algebra, we did this and that, even coffee, you know. But the truth is that the reality they were absorbing a lot of knowledge from the lens they were conquering. They were not really elaborating anything completely new because algebra in itself, the basis of it apparently came from India, from the ancient Hindu tradition.
• 23:06
  So they were re elaborating, but they were very clever at re elaborating. And when it comes down to algebra, of course, nowadays we have algorithm and algorithm is actually coming from the name of the guy who invented algebra who was a master. So I mean, you were talking about the basis of what is actually putting us together today. We are talking thanks to that algorithm. So how we went from a golden age to what we have now, the barbarism of most of the Muslim world and at the same time, the elitism of the Wahhabi.
• 23:44
  Well, the history that I put together from the very roots of Islam in the Arab Peninsula to all its expansion in the end makes you realize how this religion developed, how this religion of course developed with a variety of schism that at times gave birth to even new religions that are not even considered Muslim by Muslims or Islamic, like the Druze, for example, that are not always considered as Muslim or other forms of But when it comes to the allies, the first allies that created the Jihadism, because here we have to go today, we have Al Qaeda, we have ISIS, but let's make a nice representation, a simple representation for your viewers so they will have an idea. Now, we start from, okay, the most recent newcomers, Isis, and Isis is not only an acronym, it's also Isis as the moon goddess, just to make it clear. It's a double. And then we have al Qaeda. They all come from Salafi Jidism, which originates from the Muslim Brotherhood, which was founded by Alban in 1928, who was himself a disciple of a Freemason called Jamalidin al Afghani.
• 25:13
  So who was this Freemason Jamalidin al Afghani? Well, Jamalidin al Afghani was considered by Madame Blavazquez as one of their known superiors. Jamalidin al Afghani was a guy with a turban and might have looked like some kind of extreme figure in the Muslim, but in reality is considered the father of Islamic modernism. And also of the Salafi movement that evolved in two separate directions. There was a Salafi Wahhabi movement from Wahhabi that became the basis of the future reaches of the oil consortium of the Emirates because that's, these are rich people and who is financing than the poor ones, the salafis jihadis, the desperados from the third world that are recruited to attack of course the West or destabilize various countries in Africa and the rest or even in Asia.
• 26:10
  Well, that is of course the whole thing of the Salafi movement, which is actually Sunni, so it belongs to the Sunni world, is actually picking up on a Jihadist tradition that was originally established though by the Ashashins. And that's why on the cover of the book here, in between these two swords under, you have basically a cross with Mohammed wearing a turban. That cross is the Baphomet, is the original Baphomet and nobody has ever showed it before because after the discovery was made in a Templar church between Syria and Turkey, it was put in a depot in Istanbul and never showed publicly because they would blow up any museum that dares to show that cross. The fact that that Mohammed already can't be depicted or represented in Islam already makes it clear that he's an heresy. At the same time, the fact that you're putting Mohammed on a cross, that is immense heresy.
• 27:18
  So what was Mohammed on a cross doing in a Templar church? Well, we know that when the Templars were basically judged by Philip the Fair and of course there were sanctioned for heresy by the church. We know that from the interrogations that were given, they were worshipping some kind of mysterious thing, Mysterious thing that apparently was Baphomet. But Baphomet we then discover is actually the word Mohammed in or in French and there is links basically prove that this Bafomit was actually Mohammed. There is also a mysterious head, but that head that was severe apparently was the head of Mansur Al Alaj, which tomb is in Baghdad, which is a very important Sufi representative.
• 28:16
  And of course, it's also very important for members of the Illuminati because Aristotle inserted him taking the place of Iran Abif in the initiations of the Ordo Temp Orientes, the OTO. So in this book, to the late grandmaster of the Geray El Vethi which were a Sufi group in Turkey and also a man of great intellect called Bireman der Khan. He sent me the actual photo of this Mohammed on the cross of this Baphomet, which finally reveals the truth. And this truth is going to be shocking because it's the truth that is basically demonstrating that there was a secret alliance that was not only an alliance but was a conversion. Certain Knights Templars were converted.
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• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I thought we have to understand another thing. Up until the crusades, there was no such concept as holy war in the Christian world. Jesus Christ never talked about, of course for those who have studied the New Testament, they all know that there was no jihad or no holy war because otherwise Jesus said, well, I've not gone on the cross. He will have simply, okay, with this sword, let's maybe, of course, on his return, but when it comes down to Christianity, as we know it, it is a religion that never predicated some kind of holy war. However, what happened was this.
• 31:35
  As the Muslims were expanding more and more, and they were becoming a serious threat to even to the Vatican because as we said, South Of Italy was in their hands. We are talking about very close to the Vatican. I know myself a town near Rome called Saracinisco, Saracens, where the Arabs themselves went and established a rebat. What is a rebat? Rebat is the concept that basically teach the future crusaders how to operate, Meaning that nowadays in The Middle East, and also we saw it in nineeleven, everybody was rejoicing, you know, in the Muslim world in nineeleven and they were saying, The infamous crusaders, the crusaders, the crusade.
• 32:27
  Well, in this book I demonstrate with serious sources, very serious sources, that basically the crusades were inspired by the Muslims themselves because they inspired the Pope to invict a holy war. They inspired the Vatican to go in Syria, find out about the secret societies there and of course then establish knighthoods like the Knights Templars, which are completely based on the order of assassins in the way even the red symbol on a white map. So here we are basically with a history that spans over a thousand years that then goes from the moment in which the secret alliance helped the Knights Tempers. I mean, at one point they were in Gaza. It was clear why they were in Gaza.
• 33:21
  Gaza is a port. You arrive there and then you go to Jerusalem. In Jerusalem, their fortress where it was, it was on Temple Mount. Today, when you are talking about Amaz, you're talking about the Alax Brigade, the Al Aqsa Flab, the Al Aqsa Force. It's all based on that thing, which basically they claim it's theirs because of the Al Aqsa Mos, the Dome Of The Rock and everything else.
• 33:50
  But for those who don't know that, the Muslim actually arrived, the companion of Prophet Muhammad arrived and conquered Jerusalem brutally of course. Only five, but not before when Muhammad was alive. He was already dead. So they had to change the history of the Quran and adapted. And they said that in a dream, Mohammed went with the winged creature to what is the Temple Mount and from there ascended to heaven and then of course the Dome Of The Rock was established.
• 34:27
  But he was already dead. So you see the inconsistency here, we are talking about already instrumental using a religion, going into a place which of course was holy for the Jews because it was the second temple. We're talking about the Temple Of Solomon, place for the most holy of holies also Freemasonry because it's central also to the allegory of Freemasonry, the King Solomon Temple. So the Jewish world of course found themselves destabilized. They put together then what, like I said, became the Dome Of The Rock, the Alas HaMosk, and then that became basically the third, the most important site in Islam after Mecca Medina.
• 35:13
  So, Mecca during Muhammad's first years when he established himself, eventually he got to channel this whole Quran. The cousin who teach them a lot, the Christian cousin of the wife, didn't live to see Islam being so powerful because at one point in Mecca, the merchants of Mecca, but also the people who had these three sixty idols got pissed off with Muhammad saying, How can you preach one God here? We have three sixty. We can't just send them out of business. So they kicked them out of Mecca and he ended up twelve days camel journey into the city of Medina at the Ozzi Summit, which became for that reason the second most important city place in the Islamic tradition.
• 36:07
  But having said that, Muhammad after went back when he was strong back to Mecca and of course made a big show with his destroying all these idols and portraying himself as the ultimate monotheist, But that's true a little bit, but not totally. Why? Well, you know Salman Rushdie. Recently he was stabbed in the eye as you know here in America unfortunately. Samara actually got a fatwa from Khomeini, from Ayatollah Khomeini for having written a novel called The Satanic Verses.
• 36:50
  But those satanic verses, what are they these satanic verses? Why he got a fatwa? Because in the early days of the spread of Islam, Muhammad wasn't still considered infallible. And the Muslims found that there was a passage in the Quran in which Muhammad was basically trying to embrace the goddesses of Mecca so he could bring the people of Mecca towards him. And you know, that is no monotheistic thing.
• 37:24
  I mean, he's talking about the Goddesses paganism. And of course, the early Muslims said, well, Mohammed must have been very confused to do that. And of course, this is satanic. That's why they call them satanic verses. So there was of course, like I said, pre Islamic era full of paganism.
• 37:46
  That paganism, just like in the Christian world with Catholicism, was absorbed, was never completely eliminated. Like for example, in the Catholic world, every single day it became a saint, a patron saint, or a different kind of Holy Mary that maybe needed to cover up the worship of Isis here or of another deity there. The same thing happened in Islam. It's not completely true that they are the ultimate monotheistic faith because, like I said, even Muhammad did some compromises earlier on. So the beginning of Islam was not so peaceful.
• 38:29
  The moment in which though they arrived in Cairo, in Cairo they met with the ancient tradition and that was the establishment by the Fatimid dynasty of a very powerful lodge known Nesta Webster used to call it the Terrible Lodge of Cairo because from this lodge we had many terrible things coming up, like the creation of the Nizariya Shashins that made their alliance with the Nice Temperatures. It was basically a lodge which initiated in nine degrees their own subjects and one of the subjects was Asani Sabah. Asani Sabah went on through the initiations, became very influential in Cairo, but at one point he got some kind of controversy with the local military chief and he had to flee Cairo and he established this fortress in Alamut and other fortresses and they became a very big important power. And like I said, they did all the dirty work for the night tempers. They basically became the sikari, the killers of the night tempers.
• 39:40
  And at the same time, they devised an extremely well crafted way of bringing people into the jihad with the promise of virgins, this and that, and plenty of Ashish. We see the same thing happening with Muhammad Atta. Where is Muhammad Atta coming from? Egypt. Now when you go to the father of Muhammad Ata and you ask him, your son Muhammad Ata, it's all the fault of the Musa.
• 40:11
  Listen, my friend, it's not the fault of the Mossad. The fault of those Salafi jihadists like Osama bin Laden, they come from the tradition like I said, and here we have to go back a moment to what I said before about Jamalidina al Afghani, which basically brought into the Sunni world this Shia modality. That's why today we also have this alliance which seems a little bit weird between Hamas and Iran. Hamas is Sunni, Iran is Shia. It's more natural of course that Iran will be allied with the Hezbollah because Hezbollah is Shia.
• 40:49
  But actually Judaism is a product that originated from the Shia world and then expand because if we see the history of the first two or three centuries of Islam before actually the Assassins and the Nizar Assassins came to life, the couple, the first two centuries, Of course, we had a jihad, but we didn't have a jihad. First of all, we have a bigger and a lesser jihad and some intended jihad as an internal struggle, other intended as an external. But they intended it as a conquering thing in which they were fighting simply following the rules of knighthood, of traditional knights that would be there with swords fighting each other in not people that will come to you in the middle of the night and cut your throat dressed in black with a finger. You know, that is the need. It's more like a ninja.
• 41:49
  What we're talking about with the establishment is basically what we see in Japan with the ninjas. They are not traditional. They they don't respect any fault. It is not the samurai that duels with a sword in front of you. It's somebody that comes to you when you are sleeping and and and cuts your throat is is no respect.
• 42:07
  Because you see there is an ethic in the knighthoods and in the battles. Saladin with the Serjuk Turks, he had an ethic. And in fact, the Assassins tried to kill him two times. But Saladin himself had an handicap to a certain extent because when he was in Gaza, he arrived in Gaza where the tempers had their fortress and the tempers couldn't guess every Christian and Jew that was around Gaza. The ones that were left out were slaughtered by the Muslims.
• 42:39
  So what goes around, they say, comes around. So let's go, you see what I'm saying here? You know, they are now showing these Muslims being slaughtered. But what happened a few hundred years ago? When you are doing those things, you are basically seeding for future plans of hate to create ulterior hate.
• 43:06
  So the book explains how the Cairo Lodge stayed there for almost a thousand years. But later on with the establishment of speculative Freemasonry in the West, both in France and in England, as the North Africa and the Middle East came under the more and more influence by the English and the French who wanted the Ottoman Empire to capitulate, And that ended up with the Sykes Picot agreement and then later on with the Balfour Declaration, which brought back the people to Israel. But to understand where we are now, we have to definitely know the past. That's why my book is not taking sides here. It's simply showing you that no Muslim, no Christian, no Jew has the ethic and moral superiority to go up a hill and say, we did it all perfect.
• 44:07
  No, no, I'm sorry. That's not the case. And so you have to see yourself reflected in a mirror and say, I have sinned. I have done wrong. I shouldn't have done that.
• 44:20
  England shouldn't have destabilized with France the Ottoman Empire to create the chaos which should later sponsoring the development of future Judaism and the Masonic lodges of Jamalidin in Argani with the money coming from the Suez Canal. This is wrong. The destabilization of places like Algeria, Morocco, that all their leaders, the father of Algeria was a Freemason initiated in Egypt by the Grand Orient of France. So these things are historical facts that can't be debunked. That's why my book at the moment is being received even in the Muslim world with a lot of respect because I have over seven fifty citations here from credible sources.
• 45:10
  I have documents. I have photographic evidence. So what can they do to debunk? There is no debunking. There is finally somebody who is telling the Muslim world, you shouldn't point your finger only to Greater Israel conspiracy or to the West or to the luminati of the west.
• 45:33
  Because Bush father and Bush son were working with the Saudis and building up this whole thing. It's an alliance between Western and Middle Eastern illuminati that goes on and on. You can't blame only us when you are at fault too.
• 45:53
  Seth Holehouse: So you're saying that this this is, in a lot of ways, that it's in the Islam and the energy behind it, you know, especially through the the lodge in Cairo the Freemasonry, that it's become this it's it's really an alliance between the Western and the Middle Eastern and Lebanon.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Where is it that today when they must start the Shin Bet, the CAA, the Qataris, where do they meet every week?
• 46:19
  Seth Holehouse: See okay. This leads me to my question, though.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: They meet they meet in Cairo.
• 46:23
  Seth Holehouse: Okay. And so here's the question I have. I'm trying to you have so much information. I'm I'm, like, rapidly trying to process and and and kind of build these maps and ideas in my mind. And so, okay.
• 46:35
  I I know that there's been a lot of people discussing, say, let's look at the Clintons and Obama ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Right? There's also a lot of people talking, especially now, about the role of the Jews in Israel. Right? And I I tend to agree much more with you that anything anytime we think that, like, okay, this side is good, this side is bad, we're wrong.
• 46:58
  Because they're controlling both sides. They they've infiltrated both sides. And it's just like Soros. Right? Being Jewish, you're also funding the anti Jewish.
• 47:07
  That that's just it's just a a little example.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, being Jewish, but what kind of Jewish? Yes. Christian, but what kind of Christian? If I go to a Catholic and I say, what kind of Catholic you are? He might say, well, I follow Pope Francis.
• 47:27
  So that is a guy who is obviously following the Second Vatican Council and all the lies of the Jesuits. If I hear instead that, well, I go to traditional mass in Latin, it means that they are free Second Vatican Council and that their approach is very different. In fact, that's why they were investigated by the FBI. So here when you are asking what kind of Jews, very important that people also understand about the Sabbatian Frankis. That's why the last chapter of my book is dedicated to the Sabbatian Frankis and their involvement with the making of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which became the basis for the Minkhamf and the Holocaust of Adolf Hitler.
• 48:11
  From 1925, it was published by a Maronite priest first and then by a series of Arab and also Persian publishers and became one of the most important books. They make TV series in Syria, in Egypt, based on this big lie. It's not really a big lie. The Protocols of the Elder Society needs to simply be interpreted in a different way. Is the protocols of the Sabbatean, Frank is elders of Zion or the Sabbatean, and then you will have it fine, and that's it fine.
• 48:45
  But everything they did, they are doing. But when you are blaming the Zionist, without specifying what kind of Zionist, you are in the wrong because Zionist was founded by Theodor Herzl as a nationalistic movement. After a couple of years, it was infiltrated left, right, and center by those communist friends of Karl Marx and stuff that basically gave birth to labor Zionism. And those are the people who eventually with the Rothschilds who are Sabbati and Frank. And there was a guy also involved with the Rothschild who before the establishment of Zionists was involved in the Damascus affair.
• 49:27
  That was considered the first place in which the Muslims started to slaughter the Jews. And we are here basically in the nineteenth century, in the middle of the nineteenth century. Adolf Crimeo is an important Jewish Mason, French Jewish Mason and lawyer who becomes the supreme commander of the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite, a very influential position. And he together with Rothschild basically established the alliance, this Israelite, alliance for Israelite universal that basically was established before the advent of Zionism, but was already working behind the scenes on what will become the future labor Zionist. So basically, these protocols came out of a lodge of Adolf Cremia by an author called Maurice Jolie who was working for Adolf Creignot who was pissed off with Napoleon the Fed because he didn't.
• 50:31
  And then the whole thing was adapted so they could attack the Jewish people at all. And the Sabbathian Frankists, they are the worst enemy of the Jews, and they are Jews. If you go to any Jewish intellectual and you ask who is the worst enemy of the Jews? The Jews. Adolf Hitler was partly Jew, unfortunately.
• 50:58
  So this is how, I mean, how things are. And the Protocols of the Elders of Zion have become so influential that Hamas has included a reference to them in their manifesto in 1988. So this is not just a book. I have a friend of mine from England who, you know, was interviewed recently by The Guardian. And at one point The Guardian, the journalist said, well, but the protocols don't exist.
• 51:33
  What do mean don't exist? They have been published since the early 20s in Germany. They became a bestseller and other feature even sites basically these protocols. And everybody in the Nazi Feder Eichel was obsessed with this whole thing. So what are we talking about here?
• 51:50
  Because we have to be very honest about things. The uncle of Yasser Arafat was the Grand Mufti friend of Adolf Hitler who inspired the Holocaust. So when we are seeing all this hate generating hate, let's not forget where this hate is coming from. Because if I was a Jew, I'm living in Israel, and I was forced basically to live in Israel because for hundreds of years there were pogroms. There was the that culminated ultimately then we had the Holocaust.
• 52:26
  We were persecuted in Russia. We were persecuted in Germany. We were persecuted in everywhere. Well, at that point, they went to Israel. Now, oh, they are the invaders.
• 52:40
  They have taken away the homes of the Palestinians who pre lived there. Of course, this generates hate because they have to go somewhere. Are we going to send them to another planet? It's very much when Theodor Herzl founded the Zionist Congress and it was proposed where to go and establish this new project which will become Israel. He himself wasn't necessarily wanting to propose initially Palestine, knowing all of what was happening there.
• 53:15
  At the end, it was a convenient move made by the Brits, the Balfour Declaration, the letter addressed to Lord Rothschild to invite them to go back to Israel. But in reality, British Israelism is to blame. Great Britain is to blame. The British crown is to blame. Because when we talk about Zionism, what is Zionism?
• 53:41
  Basically the idea that you have to go back to, you know, to Israel and reestablish Israel. Well, this idea was actually pushed by the English Freemasons in course with the Sabbateans. But even before the birth of the Sabbatean, the father of Sabbatai Zebi was a British spy. So here we are basically British Israelis was pushing this idea. They were not like the Germans persecuted and forced them in the end to leave whatever now or put them in constant.
• 54:18
  No, the English were a little bit more subtle. They were kind of saying, Oh, well, we are the lost tribe of Israel. We are all friends. Of course, the Rothschilds were nobilitated in England. They were given a title.
• 54:31
  As you know, they became part of the establishment in the Victorian era. The Israeli became a so everything was fine. Now it seemed quite fine. But in the background there was this push to bring them back to Israel. And so, today we have the present mess because the English and the French, which then later on before the Sykes Picot agreement on the spares of influence of this falling Turkish Ottoman Empire that for eight hundred years ruled the Middle East in relative peace and equilibrium without all this hate.
• 55:18
  When we go and see the roots of this hate, we said the Muslim brother and who sponsored the Muslim brotherhood? Great Britain with the Suez Canal money. Who inspired the birth of the Muslim brotherhood? We go to Jamalidin al Afghani who was basically two British handlers in the British intelligence who made for him room to establish one of the most powerful lodge in Cairo, which was called the Easter Star Lodge. So, when the English saw that for example, the Egyptian Freemasons were doing too much politics and religion in their lodges, they were very pragmatic about it with their cup of tea.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Well, know, think I'm lot of England. It's not suitable. We want to discuss religion and politics. So, what are
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: we going to do? Well, get these lodges under the Grand Orient of France as they will do politics and religions, no problem, because they had just separated from the regularity of Freemasonry to open for the people who want to do politics and religion in their lodges. So, this book shows all these secrets that I think will shock a lot of people and will also make people understand that it's very simplistic to blame everything on one group of people, one ethnicity or a singular order or lodge. When we know that, for example, George W. Bush was calling Islam a religion of peace the week after nineeleven.
• 56:52
  He was actually working in courts with the Saudis who are the biggest sponsors of terrorism. And with people within, you see, it's not like Bush was working with any kind of person. Bush was working with the people who took the excess money made from the sale of oil and reinvested it in the creation of these Salafi Jihadist groups. So it's so connected and it's all, I mean, to see what's happening in the universities today, where basically you have Hamas thanking these idiots who go parading with their hate in the university. When at the same time, I see my friends in places like Infowars giving credit to the bullshit of the Khazarian myth, which is debunked very well by this book by the way that everybody should read it if they want to debunk the Khazarian mill.
• 58:01
  There is no Khazarian DNA. Okay, and all those conspiracies are complete and utter BS. The truth instead, the truth of what I'm saying here is that of course there is corrupt Jews, there is corrupt Christians, there is of course corrupt Muslims. And the problem with the Muslims from my own personal experience and probably the more corrupt of the whole bunch, and they're more easy to manipulate because their ulam, their whatever, their imams that they say you can only study one book, you can only you know, so it makes it easy for them to be highly manipulated.
• 58:52
  Seth Holehouse: Would you say that the Yeah. So would you say that Muslims are also controlled by the Sabbatian Frankists in the same way that, like, they've infiltrated that? So would you say that, like, the Rothschilds, for instance?
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: It goes it goes even back to before the Sabbatian Frank. Okay. When we see the history of Islam, what was the first schism? The Shias, not Shiite. Well, the guy who actually fought to promote this new linen, this new branch of Islam was actually a Jew.
• 59:27
  So Jews, we have 4,000 Jews within the Nizaria Shashins. What were they doing all these Jews with them? But they were not your traditional Jews. They were part of what my friend Rosam Barr taught me are called the Erebrab, and you can find them. You just Google Erebrab.
• 59:50
  Erebrab is a problem that has been with the Jewish people from the very moment Moses brought out of Egypt his people because he didn't bring out of Egypt only the Jews. There were some high priests, some magicians who seen the power of Moses was so important, so relevant. They actually asked Moses if they could follow him. And so they become the heretical Jews that were left behind the corner, the working and trying to conspire. And that manifested ultimately, of course, with the Sabbathians, with Sabbatai Zevi, and later on with Jacob Frank.
• 1:00:37
  But the problem that I have at the moment is all this antisemitism and this superficialism superficialism with the accusation Zion is Zion. And then there is even people who say, Zagami, you are a Zion. Listen, my friends. You're getting it completely wrong here because if we start condemning a whole race of people, then there is no equilibrium or no future justice or peace to when you start condemning a whole race of people, you are in the wrong. That's it.
• 1:01:14
  Seth Holehouse: I feel like that's what they they want. It's it's they want everything to be polarized. It's a versus b. You pick either a and all of b is evil or your b and all of a is evil. And when we fall into any of those traps without realizing that there's good people in a, there's good people in b, there's very evil people in a, very evil people in b as well.
• 1:01:34
  I think that's one of the traps that keeps us fighting. As a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: reason also the luminati, I referred generalizing, of course, as the luminati as the upper endurance of this system who have infiltrated and are manipulating all the various religions so that everybody fights against each other while they make more money with the middle industrial complex and the big pharma and they carry on forever. We are so stupid to carry on with this kind of divide and fall into their divide and conquer policies, well, we will never end up being stupid and we will continue with these confrontations for the rest of time until we eventually blow all of us. We all blow each other up with a nuclear bomb and that's it. Because I mean, we are so stupid, then that's the future of humanity.
• 1:02:29
  Seth Holehouse: Unfortunately, is.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: When you are arming a guy like Bin Laden to fight the Soviet Union, do you think that that guy, once the Soviet Union is finished, will finish his work and will become basically an unemployed guy? No. He was continuously employed by the CA until he actually blowed up and created the so when they say nineeleven, nineeleven is really important. It's not an inside job though. It's an inside out job made possible thanks to this ancient alliance that basically for a thousand years brought together the Knights Tampers originally with the Ashashins that were an emanation of the Cairo Lodge.
• 1:03:15
  But at the same time, when Jamalidina al Afghani and the English brought back this speculative free mystery into Egypt merging with their own pre existing secret societies and giving birth to a new Jihadist movement within Sunni Islam. So basically here we are with the West having evolved in a certain way during illuminism and then of course the industrial revolution. For us pre masonry and illuminati was about big business. It was about modernization of our society, you know. In The Middle East instead they went the opposite way.
• 1:03:59
  They went back to the Middle Ages. Their so called modernism didn't really evolve into something that was positive. And so when I have nowadays in front of me, ISIS and Al Qaeda, they are simply like the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas or Ebola, tools of the NATO military industrial complex. That's it. Made to destabilize nations which are basically forced into eternal poverty because it's us here in the West that don't want them to develop.
• 1:04:47
  That is a big problem, a big responsibility because for us the interest is to is not to see a modern Egypt, a modern Morocco, a modern Libya, or modern whatever or Turkey, but no, no. Leave them in their cradle of lies and bigotry and bullshit so they will never evolve. In the meantime, of course, the ones who evolve wearing their nice is the Wahhabis. The Wahhabis, another great creation of the Brits that by the way, after the second world war, the Brits were in debt with America because America helped them against other fitters. So what to do does America ask the great beetle?
• 1:05:39
  Can you present us to your friends in Saudi Arabia so we can start doing business with these people because we need the oil and we need the riches of the soil and stuff? And that's what they did. So you see here how many compromises, how much evil there is. It's incredible. And the way that we see all this division on the internet, this hate and this also superficial approach to the subject.
• 1:06:08
  Because when we are talking about Freemasonry, well we are talking about Freemasonry that comes from The Middle East. When you talk about Rosicrucianism, Rosicrucianism, you're going to study the manifesto, the Rosicrucian manifesto was Christian Rosencrutz going from Cyprus into the Middle East and acquiring all the knowledge. Being a real or an allegoric tale is still telling you what they did. The knowledge, for example, of the elementals, the elementals being the gene of Islam, was taken from the city of Fez in the Fama Fraternitatis. When we are talking about the rise of Nazism, I mentioned the ankle of Jose Raffat, but we have also Rudolf Fotzenbottendorf, the founder of the Lodge two Legesche of the German and Orden, which Adolf Hitler became a member, and he was given the secret rituals of the Turkish Sufi Freemasons to adapt and to channel that energy that will magnify his speeches and make him irresistible.
• 1:07:16
  So, all the Nazi elite had on their table a copy of the main camp, a green pencil and a copy of the Koran. That's it. And so here we are an Holocaust inspired by the Muslims against the Jews. We have Nazism, basically was inspired by the Sabbateans living in Thessaloniki in Turkey. We initiated Rudolf Osimbott Dorf, a German who acquired the Turkish citizenship after going to Egypt, of course, and coming in contact with the knowledge and all the secret knowledge of the Sabbateans in Saloniko, which was and is still a very important place.
• 1:08:09
  And the Domme because in Turkish the Sabbateans became known as the Domme because outside they claimed to be Muslims and inside they were crypto Jewish heretical Sabbateans. This happened because Sabbatai Zeb himself converted to Islam in 1666. So, I think that people will realize that in this book nothing is left untouched, including the rise of the evil side of Zionism. So I mean, I'm not, you know, saying one side is better than the other. I'm just saying they're
• 1:08:48
  Seth Holehouse: all bad.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: And until they genuinely get around the table, to do what Pope Francis wants to do, which is basically a one word religion built up on the lies of his religious allies like the Imam of Al Azhar, which is a product of the Cairo Lodge or the various representatives of the Shia tradition, which went and visited Iraq in the middle of the pandemic to build this one word religion after his Encyclica Fratelli Tutti, which is a Masonic Encyclica. Freemasonry will never be able to establish a genuine one word religion because that's not the way forward. We instead need to understand our own religions and all the problems that we had in our own house before we can attack somebody else. So my book was to be actually a text of peace, a possible text of peace that could bring this understanding, a much wider understanding. When we are talking about the nineeleven mega ritual, we are talking basically about the skull and bones whose symbol by the way is the symbol of a knight's temper symbol, which we also see in the thirtieth degree of remission.
• 1:10:13
  His asashins, as Mohammed Ata smoked dope, had the beautiful ladies and stuff. He was acting like, mean he wasn't acting like a guy from a cave in Afghanistan. And even the name I told you before, Jamalidin al Afghani, that seems all a little bit of Afghanistan. Well, Jamalidin al Afghani was actually Persian. Al Afghani was his own creation so he could pass for a Sunni in the Sunni world.
• 1:10:40
  Do you see how manipulative these people? It is. Jamalidina Afghani was the guy who brainwashed the first Jihadist, Sikari of the modern era who went and killed the Shah. So I mean, and then we have of course Iran. How Iran in the 70s and 60s became this mix of clerics which of course then led to the emergence of Ayatollah Khomeini, and at the same time of socialist Marxist values, which were as you know spreading throughout all the universities of the West, and so they also spread in the Middle East.
• 1:11:21
  The result is Islam of communism and The Republic Of Iran in 1979. But at the same time, I also explain, and this is a book about greater revelations. This is a book that is going to shock you because there is the testimony of Muhammad Ali Aqsa, the guy who, as you know, attempted to kill John Paul II. He says that the guy who employed him to go and kill John Paul II was Khomeini. And why did Khomeini want to kill the pope?
• 1:11:59
  Not for some religious reason. People think, oh, because they're back. I tell you the real reason comes is revealed in my book and with testimony of real Mafiosi, Gianni Russo, who basically explained how in the early month of June 1979, while they were preparing for the establishment of the Republic Of Iran and the last Shah of the Pavlavi dynasty was about to leave the country, he employed through the Vatican and with the help of the Iranian Freemasons who would become the chronological Iranian exile, these mobsters from Sicily to arrive in Iran and pick up all the gold of the Pavlavi to bring it there in the Vatican. And so, Khomeini went in front of his people, he couldn't say that the Shah had left with all the gold of the country. So, what he did?
• 1:12:56
  He said Bobby left with nothing in his head. In reality though he was really pissed off, so that's why he employed after Mehmet Aliyek Shah to go and kill the Pope. And we know also of course that this was connected with the Bulgarian Secret Service, with Russia that was of course aiding Iran still to this day as they also have a very close alliance with the Alawids in Syria. So, my book, I also explain all the history of the Alawids. So, it's never ending really.
• 1:13:28
  Tales of the books coming from the past, but in the end they actually results in things that have it is like the title of the book, you know, Islamic Freemason and the Secret Society Behind the Eternal Conflict. They are behind the internal conflict in The Middle East. So, when you saw the founder of Amas with Supreme Yatollah Viren, the late founder of Amas and these two people you know in theory like I said, one is a Sunni, one is a Shia, But in reality, Judaism was encouraged. A comeback of Judaism was encouraged by Iran. Why?
• 1:14:15
  Because who are the original Judaism? Were they not Shia? They were not Shiite, they were the Shashins. So, they were the ones who went to the Palestinians in the 70s and started to encourage them. So then from the Muslim Brotherhood came Hamas then in the 80s.
• 1:14:37
  And this is very explained very, very much in detail with all the names in my book. So I hope that people will understand the relevance and importance of this book.
• 1:14:49
  Seth Holehouse: And so the book, the website I keep pulling up is just LeoZagami.com, which I will make sure I put that in the description. And I feel like I mean, it's it's if you wanna learn more about this, you gotta read the book because I have a lot of your books, and they are they're thick. They're full of information. And what you gave right now is, like, 1% of 1% of the information that that is in there. So, Leo Absolutely.
• 1:15:12
  Thank
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: you. I I talk, for example, about also the rise of Ayatollah Taligani who died in 'seventy nine, but who was one of the main features of this Islamic revolution and is linked to Palestine. I mean, nothing is left untouched in revealing and making clarity on the mess we have today in The Middle East. And I hope that people understand after reading this book that it's not as simple as they think.
• 1:15:40
  Seth Holehouse: It's not.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: And there is really a much more complex reality at work.
• 1:15:45
  Seth Holehouse: Leo, thank you. It's always fascinating talking with you. I I appreciate what you're doing. Thank you for coming on. I encourage folks to check out your website, check out your book, and until next time, take care, and God bless.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thank you very much for having me on on your show, which is always an extraordinary show. And God bless America and the rest of the world, especially today.
• 1:16:06
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. As we've talked about a lot, I believe that one of the greatest threats to our freedom comes in the form of digital currencies, specifically central bank digital currency, which I believe would take away our freedoms in ways that we've never even imagined before be that significant. Now, this past week, the house passed a bill that actually bans the Federal Reserve from issuing a central bank digital currency to the American citizens. Now this seems like a fantastic thing, because it is. It's still forward progress, but there's a lot of things in there that are catching that aren't necessarily what they seem.
• 1:16:43
  So today, with my guest, doctor Kirk Elliott, we're gonna be looking into the specifics of that bill and seeing what it really means, and how it's only applying to a specific area of how it's gonna affect us, and that we're still open to a very wide range of threats, especially on the global level. But we're also gonna be talking about some recent resignations of some very significant people in the banking industry, including Klaus Schwab himself, stepping down as the, you know, the, I think, chairman of the World Economic Forum. We've got Jamie Dimon from Chase announcing he's stepping down the head of the FDIC. There's some pretty significant kind of oddly timed resignations and announces of resignations from major major players in the financial industry. And finally, we're gonna be discussing what's the bigger picture of what's happening with the BRICS nations and the de dollarization as we've talked about extensively on this show.
• 1:17:36
  So we had, I think, the past couple of days, a major major person from the banking industry in Russia. I think he he runs the second largest bank in Russia, if I'm not mistaken, made a few statements, but pretty significant statements about where the American economy is headed. And it's hard to ignore his words, and he's speaking, I feel very honestly about where we're heading if we continue creating this much debt. We're we're rapidly going into debt in a pace that probably never been seen before on this earth. I mean, it's absolutely insane.
• 1:18:11
  But he also shows how vulnerable the American system is. Not just our financial system, but but the government, the way of life in America as we see it, how vulnerable we are. Because as he points out, if some of these BRICS nations start dumping some of their US treasury bonds, that right there could in with conjunction in conjunction of with the money printing, could spell the end of America as we know it. So there's some pretty serious topics we're gonna be discussing here. So please enjoy the show.
• 1:18:43
  Kirk, it's great to have you on as usual. Thank you for being here today.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so great to be with you. Hope you had an amazing Memorial Day weekend.
• 1:18:52
  Seth Holehouse: We did. Yeah. It was it was it was wonderful. Family, flags, freedom. That's all you can ask for.
• 1:18:59
  So it was it was great. Thank you.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Somber thing to remember those who gave their lives, you know, for us to have freedom, but it's a celebration. It's a celebration of their lives and that we do have freedom. I mean, it's it's kind of a little bit of give and take there.
• 1:19:17
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. It's also a reminder of the cost of freedom. And I think that in a lot of ways, we've forgotten what the cost of freedom is. But we're learning it now as our freedom is on the knife's edge, unfortunately. So but, you know, as you and I have talked about a lot, one of the biggest ways that your freedoms are taken away is through the financial system.
• 1:19:41
  And we've spent a lot of time discussing central bank digital currencies. You know? And not just CBDCs, but also unified ledger, the the the much bigger picture of what this means to have our stuff digitally controlled. And so one thing that happened recently, actually, I'll pull up the the press release here, is the house passes pass this is earlier, you know, about a little over a week ago. A actually, no, only a couple days ago.
• 1:20:13
  So here we go. House passes CBDC anti surveillance state act. It says, today, the US House of Representatives passed h r five four zero three, the CBDC Anti Surveillance State Act, sponsored by majority whip Tom Emmer. It says it halts unelected bureaucrats from issuing issuing a central bank digital currency, which would threaten Americans right to financial privacy without explicit authorization from Congress, which that that seems like a little bit of a yeah. I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that, but I wanna I wanna see what you think of this because this looks like a major win.
• 1:20:51
  It's like, okay. Great. You know, the the the giant threat on the horizon now is being subdued, but is there more to it than what there seems?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: You know, there always is. I mean, there just there just always is. But when you look at it, it's like, sweet. This is a win. They're gonna they're gonna say central bank digital currency is outlawed.
• 1:21:16
  And, you know, just like what Norway did over the weekend, right? Norway actually said you can use cash in Norway. It doesn't all have to be digital. We basically prohibit retailers and merchants in Norway from rejecting customers because they want us to pay cash. Right?
• 1:21:36
  So it's like, okay. That one actually is more of a win than than what this one is, even though the house said, no. We're not gonna have CBDCs issued by the Fed. K. So there's there's some language in the bill that I kind of want to look at.
• 1:21:54
  So there's a subsection, and there's an a b and a c part of it. If you scroll down there, it's pretty close to the top, but a little bit further, a little bit further, it's coming up. Okay. Here. So Section 16 of the Federal Reserve Act is amended.
• 1:22:14
  So they want to amend the Federal Reserve Act from 1913. We're adding a new paragraph. A Federal Reserve Bank shall not offer products or services directly to an individual, maintain an account on behalf of an individual, or issue a central bank digital currency or any digital asset that is substantially similar under any other name or label directly to an individual. So people are looking at it saying, Sweet, Federal Reserve can't issue a central bank digital currency or offer products to clients, which is what the FedNow app would be. But here's where words have meaning, especially when it's in a bill.
• 1:22:58
  So did they talk about nongovernmental organizations or other entities issuing digital currency or central bank type digital currency? No, they said the Fed. So here's where, to me, they're missing the entire point. And I think politicians are smarter than this, and they know that to me, this is window dressing. It's political theater, trying to get people to say, Oh, Congresswoman, you're amazing.
• 1:23:30
  You rejected central bank digital currency when 98% of the world wants it, and all these countries are behind it. But what does it not prohibit? It doesn't prohibit a global central bank digital currency issued by, for example, the Bank for International Settlements or the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund or some kind of a special drawing right from the United Nations or something like that. So to me, central bank digital currency is going to be a global thing. Because if you look at Agenda 02/1930 and the tenets of it, they want a one world government, they want a universal currency for everybody, they want population control.
• 1:24:21
  I mean, they want all kinds of stuff. But really, they want one political system for the whole world. They want one currency for the whole world. Right? So when you look at that, everything that we've looked at that you referenced in the first part of the show, the unified ledger.
• 1:24:40
  That what a digital currency actually is, it's programmable money that can cut you off from buying or selling if your ideology doesn't match up with the globalist agenda. But the the unified ledger is a creepy thing because everything that you own gets tokenized and you can change ownership of everything that you own with the flip of a switch. Now, why would they limit themselves to just a country being able to do that? And the answer is they would. This is a global thing.
• 1:25:09
  So what the bill does say is that you can't have the Fed issuing a central bank digital currency, but it says nothing about a global nongovernmental institution. And here's the thing, Seth. Biden already allowed for that to happen. When he basically went into the World Health Organization's one hundred and ninety two countries that say the president of the World Health Organization under a state of a global health crisis can stop your travel, can restrict your purchases, can restrict you from even opening a bank account, that can do all kinds of things. So our sovereignty was given up already by our president to this nongovernmental organization.
• 1:25:59
  And what do they do? They're going to be able to actually issue a central bank digital currency if they want to, because they can control it. With the stroke of a pen or with the power of their voice, they can say, you know what, It's a national emergency, a national health emergency. We have to get the global economy in lockstep with what this agenda is to save it from disease X or something like that. So therefore, we're mandating that everybody goes into a global currency issued by the IMF, let's say.
• 1:26:38
  I mean, we already gave up our sovereignty. So who cares what the House actually said in this? To me, it has no teeth because okay. So let's just say that it did have teeth. Well, it still has to pass the senate, and I don't think the senate would actually go along with the house.
• 1:26:59
  You know, it's too close there. There's only a couple votes difference. And then let's say that the senate did pass it. Well, then the president has to ratify it or veto it. Right?
• 1:27:09
  So so either way, I don't think that we get it in its current form because either the senate rejects it or the president does. But let's take it one step further. Let's say the senate does accept this bill and they vote the same, and then the president accepts it. Well, why would they do that? Well, because they know that CBDCs doesn't matter at the federal level.
• 1:27:34
  It matters at the global level to actually have everybody be a global citizen. So to me, this bill that a lot of people on the right are very excited about, eliminating central bank digital currency, to me is truly political theater in an election year. I truly don't think it matters. And I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly. I'm just saying that words have meanings in bills.
• 1:27:58
  And to me, this bill actually has no meaning to it because they didn't broadly define enough who could issue central bank digital currency and who can't. They limited it to the Fed, not everything else that are global entities.
• 1:28:14
  Seth Holehouse: So one question that I have, and I think you're a good person to answer this because you deal with a lot of people that are trying to escape the economic system or systems that could end up enslaving them. Right? So they're they're getting out of the the path of that train. So looking at this, and I agree with you, especially from hearing your perspective that, you know, that they're I'll pull back up again because you can see, like, specifically, right, the Federal Reserve Bank shall not. It didn't say that no governing or no no, you know, banking organization, you know, federal or international may, you know, do x.
• 1:28:53
  It was just the Federal Reserve Bank. I mean, they they could probably create some sort of shell company and call it the Federal Digital Reserve, and and it probably wouldn't we would no longer be stopped by this. Right? But
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:29:05
  Seth Holehouse: The question I have though is, it seems like, say a year and a half ago when you and I were discussing CBDC, that a lot of your average folks here in America, if you said, you know, one of the greatest threats is CBDC, they'd say, oh, yeah. Is that like the the marijuana cream? Like the the CBD cream? They just didn't they didn't understand it. So do you think that the fact that a bill that, you know, actually, I'll go back to, you know, pull up pull up in the the web page.
• 1:29:37
  So something that literally states, as as we talked, as I read in the other page actually, I'll pull up the other one right here. Right? Where they say that the CBDC would threaten Americans' right to financial privacy, this is on the financialservicescommittee.house.gov website, do you think that there's been a much larger public awareness of Central Bank digital currency? Because ultimately, I don't really trust anything that Congress does or really anything a president or anything that Trump says he's going to do. It's like, well, they're gonna find ways around it.
• 1:30:14
  I think the only thing that really matters is if enough people, enough of We The People reject these systems, which is why I'm doing what I'm doing with this show is to get enough people to see it for what it is and say, I'm not playing in that game. Like, I because it's like any way we play their game, we lose. So the way to win is just don't play the game. So do you think that this is a reflection of more of the the general American public becoming aware of CBDC? And are you seeing through your own business and your own interaction with people, are you seeing that reflected on the client side that there's a much more awake public when it comes to the threat of these central bank digital currencies?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. But I think it's multifaceted. So to answer that specific question, yeah. People have an inherent at least people who are freedom loving people have an inherent distrust and distaste for big brother, right? Which is what central bank digital currency is all about.
• 1:31:18
  It's not intended to fix a broken system. It's intended for people control. If and and you mean look at the Bank for International Settlements memorandums. You know, the the ability to cut off bank wires from bank to bank if the ideology of the use of funds doesn't match up. Look at the World Economic Forum, programmable money based on your digital social profile and social credit score.
• 1:31:43
  That's ideologically based spending. It's their words, not mine. So everybody has this inherent distrust of that. But there's also an inherent distrust of banking in general. As banks are starting to really run out of money, be capitalized, and we just had news three weeks ago, a month ago, of the big regional bank in Philadelphia that went into FDIC receivership, Silicon Valley Bank and all those banks from last year.
• 1:32:17
  So this has got people on edge. And then here's where I start connecting some serious dots, and things aren't quite as they seem. So you look at what happened last week alone, and who's resigning from their positions? Massive numbers of big bank leaders are resigning. Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, the CEO, announced his resignation of of Chase.
• 1:32:49
  The guy who serves as the executive director of JPMorgan Chase resigned. The president of the FDIC resigned. Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum resigned. The CEO of HSBC resigned. So why?
• 1:33:10
  I mean, a lot of these people are big massive globalists, been working on central bank digital currency for decades, right? For this whole plan of Agenda 02/1930, and then more recently, starting in 2019, really this march towards central bank digital currency. And you know what? They're almost there with climate control and everything else and surveillance and digitizing money and getting rid of paper currency, kicking the US dollar out of the global sandbox and that power shift to the BRICS nations. Literally, their dream is almost fulfilled.
• 1:33:48
  So why would they step down? So I'm thinking about this. It's like, okay, what would make me step down if we were about to get our dream of global domination just right around the corner? Well, if they know that people aren't really going to accept it and it's gonna have massive revolt and upheaval and revolution style response, and anybody who's in power is gonna get caught holding the bag. Right?
• 1:34:17
  They're gonna get blamed for it. So if they resign, they're not necessarily going to get blamed for it. They're gone. Whoever is in power is going to get blamed for it. This is why Trump said, you know, a couple months ago, said, I hope that the economy collapses before I get in.
• 1:34:36
  Right? Well, it's like so people misinterpret that. It's like, Trump is evil, he's anti American, he doesn't want The US economy to thrive. It's like, yes, he does. That's why he's running.
• 1:34:47
  He needs to change things. What he was saying is it's going to collapse whether I'm in or not right away because there's been so much damage done. He wants to be the guy that rebuilds it. But he says If it happens after I get in, people are going to blame me, even though it's not my fault. Right?
• 1:35:03
  So maybe they want out. I don't know. I don't know. But two of the banks, this is an interesting side note, JPMorgan Chase and HSBC are the largest global shorters of silver on the planet. Massive amounts of naked shorts, like hundreds of millions of ounces in naked short positions.
• 1:35:29
  So then the Friday before Iran did the drone strikes on Israel, they recommended all their citizens that they start buying silver rather than gold because they knew and they recognized these short positions. And if they want to beat America without ever firing a bullet, you just create fear and you cause their banking system to go down. Well, that massive number of short positions, they get hurt in multiples, not dollar for dollar, multiples if the price of silver goes up. So it's like, Seth, look what's happened to silver in the last two and a half months. Literally the last, I don't know, ten weeks, silver has gone from 22 to 32.
• 1:36:17
  It's up almost 50% in two and a half months. Those banks that have naked short positions are in crisis mode. And you look at some different stories globally, Like,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: oh, the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: CEO of the second largest bank in Russia. There was this article on ZeroHedge that I was reading just earlier this morning. He warns that The US is inevitably headed for a serious economic crisis. But what he said in there, there was one direct quote that is really interesting, and it goes along with this naked shorts that these banks have in silver. So for those keeping tabs, US debt surpassed $33,000,000,000,000 for the first time.
• 1:37:14
  The US added $1,000,000,000,000 worth of debt in three months. So once we hit 33,000,000,000,000, a hundred days later, we added another trillion. We're adding a trillion dollars of new debt every hundred days. Right? So now we're at like 34 and a half trillion.
• 1:37:32
  Right? So this is interesting. So you read what this guy said. And on that article, you scroll down a little bit further, a trillion dollars every hundred days. But there's a direct quote after these pictures show up that is I have got to read to you because it's right there.
• 1:37:58
  So I am thoroughly convinced that America is inevitably headed for a serious economic crisis. The amount of debt currently held by The US today has reached inconceivable astronomical levels, and the dollar's monopoly on the global stage is the only thing enabling the Americans to maintain such a level of debt. If the Chinese or the Arabs took their money out of The US, a complete collapse would ensue for the financial sector and the government. It's like, oh my word, Seth. What did he just say?
• 1:38:34
  He just said that the BRICS nations, if they start liquidating their US treasuries, putting them on the open market, destroying the US dollar, if they start not holding US treasuries and start liquidating them, The US economy is toast. It's on such precarious grounds that would destroy the financial system. It would destroy The US economy. And what is Russia doing? They got rid of all of their US Treasuries.
• 1:39:04
  What is China doing? I mean, they're dumping US Treasuries like there's nobody's business.
• 1:39:09
  Seth Holehouse: Here's China. This chart right here. Can see. Yeah.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, look. I mean, it's just actually coming down a lot of their number of holdings. Because what what did it start at? You know, its peak 1,500. So $1,500,000,000,000, and now it's at like 800,000,000,000.
• 1:39:30
  So, I mean, we're almost 50% down in their holdings. And so they continue to liquidate, liquidate, liquidate. Who's buying those US Treasuries? The rest of the world isn't. It's the Federal Reserve.
• 1:39:45
  The Federal Reserve is using money that they print out of thin air to be the buyer of last resort. And this is why we have the inflation. This is why we have this explosive debt. And this is why the CEO of the second largest bank in Russia was pretty well connected, I'm sure. It would be like Jamie Dimon here in America talking to Biden.
• 1:40:07
  I'm sure this guy talks to Putin a lot if he's got the second largest bank in Russia. They know what's coming, Seth. They know that The US is on shaky ground. And because of our debt, you know, this is biblical truth ringing out loudly. You know, a borrower is a slave to the lender.
• 1:40:25
  You can't keep using other people's money. You ultimately have to pay the piper or it's over. This is why God warns us numerous times throughout his word to don't get into debt. Live within your means. Have wisdom.
• 1:40:40
  Have discernment. And we haven't. And now even CEOs of foreign banks are seeing the writings on the wall. It's over. And there's a power shift from the West to the East.
• 1:40:54
  And the BRICS nations, the BRICS plus plus plus nations I hate to say it because I'm American. I want a strong dollar. I mean, I want a vibrant economy, but we're not playing this well. Right? And we've lost that status as the reserve currency and everything else, and it's going to the East.
• 1:41:11
  And I don't think we can get it back at this point, right, without a complete collapse of what we have. And then somebody like Trump coming in, changing it all together. You know, what did what did he wanna do? He wants to fight back. He said, hey.
• 1:41:25
  First thing when I get into office, I'm gonna slap massive tariffs on Chinese goods. Right? He's like, okay. So this is a delicate thing to do because you slap tariffs on Chinese goods, sure, it hurts them economically, but it has to be done quickly and swiftly and big because ultimately, if you put tariffs on Chinese goods and we're still importing a ton of stuff from China, it makes all of our stuff more expensive. And you're going to have The US population in complete crying out for help.
• 1:41:58
  It's like what? Prices are even higher than they used to be. You slap tariffs on foreign oil. Yeah. Great way to hurt them because we won't be buying foreign oil.
• 1:42:08
  But since we still import so much, it impacts us. And so these things have to be done quickly, and they have to be done in a very wise way. And this is why these things are very delicate. But this is why I think that CEO of that Russian bank says, We are spinning for an economic disaster because it's very difficult to get out of the debt situation that we're in. Even with diplomatic and political maneuverings, it's very difficult, Seth.
• 1:42:38
  Seth Holehouse: There's one other chart in that article, which I thought was really interesting. It's right below showing that how China has been dumping its treasury holdings, right, since really, it started around 02/2015, '2 thousand '16 is when they started kinda dropping. But then this next graph here, which this is interesting. It shows it says it's not just China. It says treasury holdings are relatively flat based on fed custody data, while according to the IMF, the world's sovereign nations have been panic buying gold.
• 1:43:15
  So this chart, the green line shows the world, treasury reserves. Right? These are from my understanding, this is the amount of treasuries that are out globally, just in China. For instance, all the countries holding US treasuries. But then if you look at around 2019, you can see that there's this massive spike increasing in gold.
• 1:43:38
  So I would imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they're printing so much money. They're dumping so much money into the market that a flat line of world treasury reserves is a really bad thing that you'd I'm guessing you'd wanna see that line going up in some sort of correlation to the money printing. But then if you look at the fact that it's not going up, but gold reserves are skyrocketing. I mean, gold reserves have basically doubled since 2019. They've gone from roughly, I'm not sure exactly what number this indicates, whether it's, you know, three I'm not sure what it's measuring there.
• 1:44:22
  What's it, you know, 3,000,000. It says, yeah, 3,000,000 ounces or whatever that, you know, whatever that's measuring there. But it's up to almost five and a half. So Yeah. It seems like they know what's coming.
• 1:44:36
  They they can see what's coming. And nations that aren't run the way our government is are telling their citizens. I'm seeing hearing people talk about how yeah. Yeah. Over, you know, we're in Indonesia or Vietnam or China, and the government's telling us buy precious metals, buy precious metals.
• 1:44:53
  We're here in America. They're not saying that at all. They're saying, oh, you know, we're gonna we're gonna pay your student loans back for you, if anything. So, yeah, I I I think that something is coming, certainly. And all if if you put all this information together, it's hard to ignore.
• 1:45:11
  And and but I do just wanna go back and just read one more time the the words of that CEO of the you say this he's the CEO of the second largest bank in Russia. Is that what you say?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Yeah. Second largest bank in Russia.
• 1:45:27
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Saying, I'm thoroughly convinced that America is inevitably headed for a serious economic crisis. The amount of debt currently held by The US today has reached inconceivable astronomical levels, and the dollar's monopoly on the global stage is the only thing enabling the Americans to maintain such a level of debt. If the Chinese or the Arabs took their money out of The US, a complete collapse would ensue for the financial sector and the government. So and this is I mean, that's those are significant words coming from a major banking player in one of the most major BRICS nations saying he's kind of saying, look, America, we got you by the balls.
• 1:46:11
  Like, we own all your debt, a large part of this debt. And if we dump it, your whole Ponzi scheme of money printing and everything is gonna collapse. It's not just your financial sector, the key there right there, and the government. Like, so he's saying that basically, these BRICS nations have the ability through their financial maneuvers to collapse our government. And this is this is really, really, really significant.
• 1:46:40
  This should be headline, you know, on all the major media, like talking about not this guy's words specifically, because, you know, he's just one person of many globally. But this I mean, you you and I know. He's he's not making things up. This is real. Like, that that would be the effect.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Well, look at the next line that he put when he says, Kostan added. Right? If the West fails to revise its policy, I think that the move toward the collapse of the colonial system, the American way of life, a representative republic, right, will only accelerate. So he's saying that this financial collapse would also result in a change of basically amplified the change in our government statement. Right?
• 1:47:28
  He's expecting a complete overhaul. And what happens after this cycle of democracy, so to speak, kind of finishes its course. You change from a republic to a dictatorship or a dictatorship to a republic. When it goes full cycle, this bondage that's created by putting too much power in the hands of the government, then it becomes too much for people, and it creates a cycle of slavery and bondage again. And so he's seeing the end of the American way is what he's seeing from this financial collapse.
• 1:48:06
  Now, granted, just one guy, right? But a smart one who's probably in communication with Putin a lot, being the second largest bank in Russia. They know what their plan is to de dollarize the world, and they're doing a really good job with it. How are they doing that? By allocating into mountains of gold, by giving themselves credibility, accountability, pulling out of these systems, these digital command and control type systems.
• 1:48:40
  And people think that Russia is like this horrible communist country. Right? It's like, yeah, they're run by a ruthless dictator, but they've actually got more freedoms than America has in a in a lot of ways. I know people are gonna throw rotten tomatoes at me, but you look at I mean, when you look at Russia, it's like you assume that they're gonna be run by a dictator. You look at America, and that's not the assumption, but we are.
• 1:49:07
  Right? So that's more dangerous to me than somebody that's like, okay, what you see is what you get, where what you say is not what you get. There's things behind I mean, this is how what America has turned into is is weirdness and cloak and shadows and and this move towards a complete globalist takeover of our way of life, Seth.
• 1:49:30
  Seth Holehouse: One thing I would say is that at least it seems like Putin is trying to protect his own nation. Right? Like, that's the thing is that he's he's looking out, whereas here, it just seems like the these criminals have taken over our government. They want our nation destroyed. Like, they they they they have no reason to protect our nation.
• 1:49:49
  It's actually part of their agenda to completely collapse it. But, you know, something I was gonna mention just in talking about this this overall shift is that we we look at that chart with, you know, the IMF, you know, showing the gold holdings and everything. We've been talking about this. They're talking about it. And let's use you know, it's it's basically it's a little bit farther fetched with currency.
• 1:50:11
  Let's let's imagine food. It's almost like it's almost like here in America. Let's imagine that we're getting ready to enter into a major major famine globally. Yeah. And the BRICS nations know the famine is coming, and they're telling all of their citizens stock up on rice, stock up on beans, stock up on wheat.
• 1:50:33
  You have their governments doing the same. You look at, you know, which you actually have this. You look at China's buying of of grains, you know, China, I think, has the largest grain reserve globally. But it's almost like all these countries are massively stocking up on grain, telling the citizens to stock up on grain. We have the leaders of these countries, and leaders like to say, you know, the the major farming industry is saying, hey, everybody, hey, Americans, there's gonna be a big famine.
• 1:50:57
  These are all the reasons that's gonna that's gonna be coming. Like, you better go buy some food. And yet here in America, our government saying, folks, don't worry about it. We got you taken care of, you know, there's there's gonna be lots of food for everybody. Don't buy, don't buy food.
• 1:51:13
  Yet the people like yourself and me were like, we're we're, you know, going to the rooftop saying, folks, there's a famine coming. Buy wheat. You know, you get it now while you can. To me, that's the analogy of precious metals. It's like half the world sees it.
• 1:51:27
  You look at the buyings of these IMF, you you look at these massive, you know, countries. They see what's coming, and they're stocking up like mad on precious metals. They're telling their citizens to stock up like mad on precious metals because they know what's coming. Whereas here in America, there's through their teeth because they want us to suffer. Want financial collapse to come.
• 1:51:48
  They want us to be so poor and so broken that we're begging them for anything, and we'll take any kind of CBD system as long as it gives us that little bit of comfort and security at night. And and that's what and that's again, this is what we're doing. This is what we're trying get this message out there is that we have to get out of the way. So Kirk, precious metals, if folks want to work with you on precious metals, what you know, give me a quick kind of rundown. Because I think a lot of folks have a lot of their their assets sitting in IRAs, retirement accounts, four zero one k's, etcetera.
• 1:52:21
  And they feel like, well, it's kinda locked up until I retire. It's locked up for these reasons. You know, for folks like that that have been hesitant, first time buyers or not, how does that work? If they want to say, think, you know, think, you know what, I might as well move a third of that account over into silver because just in case, right? The same reason why if I have some extra money, I'm going to go buy some seeds, I'm going to go buy some some grain.
• 1:52:46
  Walk us through that process.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: So it's simply you just call our office (720) 605-3900 and say Seth sent you. Or you go to the website link, goldwithseth.com. And what will happen is you will get scheduled. One of our schedulers will talk to you, ask you a few questions. What is it that Kirk and Seth talked about that caused you to want to reach out?
• 1:53:09
  Are your fears? What are your concerns? What are your dreams? And then we'll put you on the calendar with one of my amazing consultants who think like I do. They're bending over backwards to help.
• 1:53:20
  And craft a strategy for success moving forward using precious metals to hedge against your other paper assets or things that you have. Right? So then from that point, you know, we fill out little brief little forms, you know, to move money from account to account, you know, do an IRA rollover or just, you know, you wire the funds to us, and we call you when the funds arrive and we confirm the allocation and we buy it. Because it's never done it's not a discretionary account. It's not our money.
• 1:53:50
  It's yours. I don't even believe it's your money. I believe it's God's money. So nothing is done without your permission. But my team will bend over backwards to do everything except fill out a couple small little forms.
• 1:54:03
  That's it. And so it's a real easy process. I've kept it simple on purpose and by design all of these decades to make the process easy. Because a lot of people, Seth, think gold and silver is hard. I've never done it before.
• 1:54:17
  I don't know what to think. It's a little scary. It's not. To me, it's just like any other asset. It's like buying a stock, bond, a mutual fund, anything.
• 1:54:25
  Right? And so that's why we've made it really, really easy. It's just another thing that you can buy. And it's actually way easier than opening up a brokerage account because it's a private transaction. You wire the funds, we ship you the metals, you have it.
• 1:54:42
  And then when you sell it, you have to basically report your capital gains on your tax return. But these are things that only in certain circumstances we have to report on liquidation. It's like if you have 1,000 ounces or more or something like that. But you always have to, as a person, as an individual, report your capital gains. And this is let the buyer beware.
• 1:55:05
  And the reason I brought that up is because there's so many dealers out there that are saying, Oh, old rare coins, you don't have to ever report them. Wink, wink. It's like, no, that's wrong. You always have to report your gains. They're lying to you.
• 1:55:21
  And it's like, this is the kind of misconceptions that we want to educate every single client on because gold and silver is so easy, so beneficial. When you look at what it's done over the last two and a half months, it's up almost well over 40%. When you look at what it's done over the last three and a half years, up over 140%. I mean, these are amazing growth numbers that we should take advantage of that to some level, to some degree, to hedge yourself against your other paper assets.
• 1:55:57
  Seth Holehouse: Well, thank you for walking us through that. So the phone number and the website will be in the description below the video or the podcast. Kirk, again, it's always great having you on. Thank you so much for doing what you're doing. Look forward to next week.
• 1:56:11
  Thank you again.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: It's my pleasure. We'll talk to you soon.
• 1:56:14
  Seth Holehouse: Alright.