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RAFAEL DEVERS TRADED · The 3-0 Take

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Please and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Take
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presented by Chinook Cedary. This is episode 545.
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I don't care. I don't care, Casey.
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Don't even ask me. Don't even ask me mean this.
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No, you don't. Genuine.
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You don't. You don't.
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How are we? You don't.
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You couldn't be more sarcastic. I don't.
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I'm responding to the Red Sox on Twitter right now telling them
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to shut up. Stand by.
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They put out a tweet. Yeah, they put out like this
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forever a champion. Bullcrap too soon?
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Shut up. Too soon to be posting stuff
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like that. Shut up, chumps.
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Have no time for this. Unbelievable.
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You're asking how I'm doing. All right, so here's the here's
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the rub, per Michael Scott. We just got off like a three
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hour how to keep score tutorial Sunday night baseball.
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It's our second time doing it. I think it was 7 minutes.
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We're you know, we're on there giving people to rundown like,
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hey, this is you fill out your lineups and everything.
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We're giving people to rundown 7 minutes.
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I think it was we get this, somebody in the chat goes Devers
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to the Giants and I'm like, is this like a fantasy proposal?
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I'm like, I don't. Is this the person in your
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league team name the Giants? I don't like, I don't know,
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Chuck about it. And then more people kept
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popping in Devers of the Giants. Yo, is this real?
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And then you're like, what? And then you're like, no, just
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got the, just got the official notification.
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This is real. And I've still have no idea
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what's what anybody's talking about.
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So I, I pull up Twitter real fast and I see the passions
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tweeting about it. I see the Robert Murray, I think
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was the official tweet that broke the news.
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And then we had to do a three hour live stream, keep telling
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people how to keep hook, which was great, by the way,
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Thoroughly enjoyed it. Don't regret it.
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It was a great time. But I had no chance really to
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really process what had happened.
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The fact that the face of the yeah, I mean the face call space
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spade face of the franchise traded to the Giants for no
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disrespect, but sort of disrespect, slop comparatively
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in return, slop, slop, slop. Holy, you traded away Rafael
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Devers in the midst of one of his best offensive seasons of
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his career, if not his best season in his career.
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No, see, look in the chat. I see.
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I knew this was going to be a, a, a response, a message needed
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to be sent. It was sent.
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Look, if you're the Red Sox, how petty?
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Like, how petty can you be? Like it was very clear, like
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very clearly outside of the Boston media who just continued
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to try to stoke the fire, who wouldn't let this thing die out.
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I think most reasonable, sensible Red Sox fans had kind
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of moved on like water under the bridge.
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What myself included. I'm like, you know, this, this
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wasn't a great look for Raffi. This wasn't a great way for
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great look for the team either. Just not a great look for
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anybody involved. But you know what?
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We're we're turning the page. Like last episode, I you, you
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know, we joked hit Trevor hit Trevor Story with the credit
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cannon, which, by the way, I have an official statement on
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that, which I was going to share tonight, but I'm I'm pushing
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that. But anyway, hit Trevor story
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with the credit cannon last episode.
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Then they proceed to sweep the the division leading Yankees,
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your archrival Yankees at home in, you know, somewhat
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convincing fashion considering the state of the team like a
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month ago. And then Sunday night baseball
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rolls around. You're like, let's let's break
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the news shipping Raffi to the team you're about to watch for
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the next three hours. Like it was water under the
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bridge, was it? And we talked about this on the
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stream. Was this just a situation where
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you were just waiting till the season turned around to where
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you could really maximize this value and be like, no, no, no,
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like this isn't the norm? Like Raffi's back to being
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Raffi. So let's talk trade.
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Because if that's the case, I mean, from a business point of
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view, I get it. But if that's the case, you
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should be getting a heck of a lot more back in return.
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Yeah. You trade, we we got nobody
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left, nobody left. He was the last guy.
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He was the last guy on that 18 World Series team.
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OK, again in the chat. If you have a player that can't,
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you can't plug into your needs of the team, then you remove the
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cancer. He's literally doing the role
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that you have moved him to as it did.
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So like I was, I was sort of like against Raffi there for a
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while initially when he sort of bucked heads about moving to DH,
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but then he's like, OK, I'm I'm the DH now.
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And then proceeds to be one of the best hitters in baseball
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outside of like Aaron Judge and maybe like a couple other names
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has been demolishing the baseball.
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And then you we have nobody left.
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It was well, we can't keep Mookie, Xander Endeavours, but
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we can keep 2. You ship Mookie, we'll see you
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now. We're really going to lock in on
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Xander Endeavours. Xander, thanks for your service,
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buddy. Go get your bag in San Diego
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because we're not going to pay you.
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We're not even paying you half of that now.
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We really zero in on devours. This is our guy.
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You pay them the extension. Hey, thanks for thanks for your
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service. Raffi, pack your bags.
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You're going to San Francisco. What are we doing?
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The back and forth of the up, the down, the positive, the
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negative? We, we finally, Red Sox fans
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clamored and like just clamoring to bring up the trio.
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We finally get the, we finally get the full trio and Meyer,
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Campbell and, and Anthony and we're like, OK, Trevor's
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story's, Trevor's story is back to being Trevor's story for the
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most part. Devers is, is mashing.
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I mean, he's on a little bit of a slide, but for all intents and
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purposes, back to mashing. Crochet is leading the way on
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the bump. Like, things are looking pretty
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good right now. That's where I'm at with like.
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No, no, no, we're good. I, I think that's where I'm at
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with like the timing, you know what I mean?
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Like I don't quite understand the timing.
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I don't understand how it was such a rocky start at the
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beginning of the season. It was so many headaches and so
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many conversations that had nothing to do with the overall
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team. It was just it was very much
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surrounding, you know, bringing bread Bregman in and then the
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Rafi Dever stuff. And it's like you got past that.
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You finally like turn the corner and you started playing good
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baseball. You you're on A5 game-winning
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streak. Like you have your rotation
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that's starting to show up like you're doing this without
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Bregman. I I'm not understanding the
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timing. I'm not understanding the what
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message are you trying to send? If there is a message that needs
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to be sent, I get that. Like in I'm not hopping camps on
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where we were like you and I were.
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We agreed that like Rafi Devers should have gone about that
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whole situation better. The comments weren't great, the
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reluctance to moving position like none of that was great.
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The front office should have also handled it better.
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As 100% like it they it was a very weird thing and you got to
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remember how late Bregman was brought on like we're already in
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spring training, you know what I mean?
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These guys are already starting to get going for the season,
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like they're starting to settle into spring training.
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And then you make this change and it's like you kind of put
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your you put your cornerstone in a very difficult position.
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Did he handle it well? No, but you put your the face of
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your franchise in a very weird spot.
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I'm just very lost with how they've operated and why do you
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keep doing these trades. That point, that point exactly
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right there in the chat, Dan says now with all of that money
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that San Francisco's eating, we had the opportunity to actually
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extend Bregman, invest some money into Meyer and Anthony
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while going after more starting pitching this all season.
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Dan, I appreciate the feedback and I know it's
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well-intentioned, but like this is this is what they did.
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They they, it was I, I just explained, we got, we got Mookie
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Bogarts endeavors. We can't keep all three.
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I mean, we're the Boston Red Sox.
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We got a lot of money, but we don't have that much money.
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So Mookie, best of luck. But now, now is when we really
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zero in on Xander endeavors. Well, we actually, we take that
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back. We don't really want to we don't
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really don't want to pay for Bogarts anymore.
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So see you buddy. And now, OK, now we now we
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really zero in on devours. We pay devours gone.
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So this whole like investing it, it, it, it I would believe it if
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you if you demonstrated that you would be able to invest in these
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players and actually keep them around and build a product
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instead of letting some like little petty disagreement that
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I, I'm reading now, was at a point of being unsalvageable, a
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relationship that was unsalvageable.
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No, it just sounded like nobody wanted to be an adult.
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And I'm looking at Devers on that too.
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Like it just sounded like nobody wanted to be an adult.
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And that is it starts to me with the front office, like you got
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to, you got to be better. And I know I've, I've taken my
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shots at Devers over the last month or two, But like you got,
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you got to have a little bit more transparency.
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And I understand that the cost injury, the Bregman, it like
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things happen and sometimes you got to adjust on the fly.
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But don't you, you do this all the time as the Boston Red Sox.
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They did it with Tito Francona when when he left town.
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They, they, they spit on you on the way out.
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They, they craft this narrative. They essentially control the
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Boston news market. John Henry, shout out John
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Henry. He can paint any picture he
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wants. He can paint any narrative he
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wants that like, well, like Devers just wasn't being a team
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player. And yeah, well, maybe that's
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true. It would be different to me if
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that was the case and was underperforming in the new DH
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role that you've given to him, right?
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But he was. If he was struggling with it, if
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yeah, if the team was struggling with it, yeah, I agree.
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So what are what are the chances?
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I mean, if you want to go like 0 out of 10, like 10 being like he
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wrote a note and put it on Core's desk, like what?
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What are the chances he requested this?
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If he did request it, I I would have to guess that given the
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fact that he did receive the contract extension, that he
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probably didn't think there was a realistic chance that it would
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happen. But then the front office is
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like, wow, we just got a couple things got to happen here.
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We got a one wait till he he gets out of this like over 50
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slump that he's in to start the season.
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And then we got to find a suitor and seems as though both things
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happened and they pulled the trigger.
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But such a such a cowardly move. Such a cowardly move on behalf
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of Craig Breslow. Figure out a way, like be an
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adult, figure out a way to make it work for the face of your
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franchise who's having a great season, by the way, and figure
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out a way to keep him around like be an adult.
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This is this is a fireable offense.
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And I like I'm, I'm, I, I know that maybe I'm like coming on a
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little strong right now because I'm like, now I'm just
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processing this as as we're talking it out, but like
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legitimately A fireable offense. You know, they brought in
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Heimbloom to to do The Dirty work to, to get rid of Mookie.
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So I don't, I don't necessarily put that on him, but like this,
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who else do you have to look at? Who else who, who can you turn
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to? This is pathetic.
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Before we hopped on, I threw on MOB Network just kind of see
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what was being talked about and it was Matt Beskirchen and Chris
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Young. They were interviewing Jared
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Carabas, but Matty V brought up a very interesting point.
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I wanted to see what you're thinking.
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He talked about how he's like, hey, look, like we've heard of
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young cores before in Boston. And he was referring to
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Benintendi, Jackie Bradley Junior.
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And I was, was Mookie in that. I know like it was like the
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killer bees between Mookie and and Bogart's, but like who was
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the youngest out of that? I think it was those 3, right?
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Sorry, you're saying I I spaced out.
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I was reading the comments, I'm sorry.
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Like they were The Who was like your your last core that like
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everyone was like, hey, promising that this is like the
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future. And I know Benintendi and Jackie
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Bradley. I'm just who were the other?
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Killer bees. I mean, Xander was obviously a
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part of that. Xander was the older brother to
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Rafael Devers. You know, they were hoping that
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Xander would have stayed around long term.
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They weren't willing to give the contract that that Padres
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obviously gave him. My point more being around the
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younger guys and like the fact that everyone was told how good
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Benintendi and Jackie Bradley Junior were going to be and how
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they what that meant to the franchise right then obviously,
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like their overall success wasn't great.
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There were some rings in there. But like I can't sit there and
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just say that like those were the guys that the reason behind
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it, right? Are are you this in on this
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core? Are you like this sold?
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Are you comfortable sitting here as a Red Sox fan and saying,
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like, I can fully look at Marcelo Meyer, Christian
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Campbell in Roman Anthony and just be like, this is 100% the
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core future? I know that we're riding with
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this 100%. Sit there with all three of
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those names and say you're better off shipping Devers out.
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No, that's it. It's both.
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It's yes, I'm 100% in on this core.
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I've even in just the early going, I've loved what I've
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seen. I know there's going to be a
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learning curve. I know there's going to be some
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struggles, maybe even some some sophomore slumps when the time
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comes from what I've seen right now mature beyond their age,
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like without a doubt. And they're they're adjusting
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well. And I know, like I said, there's
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going to be a learning curve. The league's going to start to
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figure them out, but the talent is there.
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Like, without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that it's
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an either or situation. You figure out a way to keep
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Rafael Devers on your team as one of the best players in the
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league. You figure out the log jam
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elsewhere. Holy cow.
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Like I look, I I know, I know. This was the solution to
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shopping Duran, by the way, 'cause we were just talking
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about that a few weeks ago and like those.
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Were surprised if they traded Duran too, like, hey, we could
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really use some more quadruple A pitching.
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Let's go, let's go see what we can find.
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Look, I, I know we stay on here all the time, you know, like
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we're not, we're not, we're not owners.
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We're not front office officials.
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So like, what do we really know in comparison?
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Like they got stuff going on behind closed doors that we just
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that we just don't know about. And that's true to an extent.
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But it's stuff like this where I'm like the average baseball
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fan can look at this and tell you that this is just not, this
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is not a good idea. I saw somebody, I don't know if
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it was on this stream or the last stream where somebody said
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John Henry's only concerned about jersey sales.
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So it makes sense if that's the case, you're not trading away
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Rafael Devers because Rafael Devers is one of your top jersey
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sales, if not the top. So I don't, I don't from a, from
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a financial point of view, I don't get it.
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And frankly, I don't think it was a financial issue.
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I don't think it was that contract extension.
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I think they're more than happy paying 300 plus for Adhi.
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Really don't think that was the the issue there.
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I think this was a a situation where there was too many
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children in the room and nobody could nobody could look at this
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and go, we cannot let hot heads prevail here.
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Like we have to come to terms with the fact that we have an
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opportunity in front of us where granted, he might not be the
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leader that you want him to be as like a vocal, hey, like get
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on my back kind of guy. Devers is just a hey, pay me and
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I'll I'll hit you homers. He's even said that.
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So he's definitely not a leader in that sense, but the talent,
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the skill set, undeniable, the core that we just talked about,
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Anthony Campbell, Meyer. And it kind of felt like I, and
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I know Bregman's not like officially there long term and
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and who knows if he ends up being there and gets extended,
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But like, it kind of felt like that box was checked once
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Bregman came in. Like you have this veteran
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presence, you like, you have this leader, you have this World
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Series champion, you know what I'm saying?
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Like. Look, it felt like that part
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was. Taken care of.
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Yeah, Like that was taken care of.
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And I'm, I don't know, dude, like I, I'm very lost with the
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time it like you guys finally turned a corner and you're
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coming off the best weekend, like a highlight weekend of of
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your season so far. I don't understand what, what
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what message does this send? Are we in now or are we kind of
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punting a little bit? Are we fully in this year or are
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we just saying like, hey, you know what?
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Because like, I'll be real and, and, and I'm not, I'm not joking
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when I say this. Like I don't mean disrespect
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towards Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks, but like.
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That that right there shows you how insignificant this return
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is, because we haven't even gotten to the return I have.
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I haven't even mentioned the return yet.
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Come on. It's not like, oh, Robbie Devers
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got Robbie Devers got traded, but yo, this socks like let's
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talk about what they're getting back.
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We haven't even got that. We're 20 minutes in, haven't
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even mentioned. That you have more question
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marks like you have more question marks coming back.
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If you're talking about your out, you'll being like too too
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cluttered. Now your rotation is too
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cluttered and and it's not like you can look at a Kyle Harrison
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or Jordan Hicks, who by the way, ERA wise, Jordan Hicks has been
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rough, nine starts so far this year, 647 ERA.
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He's giving up 35 runs in 48 innings.
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Didn't they move him back to the pen or am I crazy?
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I guess I, I, I was over the same boat.
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By the way, he's given up 12 earn runs in 23 innings in four
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starts this year. Who has also been in the
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bullpen. Like I I'm not talking about the
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Giants quite yet, but like what I'm saying is where are these
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moves getting you to these are middle of the road inning eater
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type guys right now. If that.
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So like do you completely move Jordan Hicks back to an end of
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the game type reliever and that is it moderate leverage?
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Like I it still doesn't make sense.
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It's not going to be here in three years.
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It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
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And the whole the the people saying, well, it's to free up
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the books. It's to free up the books again.
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I would believe that if you demonstrated that you were
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willing and had the the fortitude to extend the guy and
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actually keep him, like it took you long enough to extend a guy
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and you finally did that endeavors and then you ship them
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out of town. So like this whole freeing up
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the books for what to lighten up the the checkbook for John
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Henry. I'm sick of it, man.
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Like we say it all the time, like I and we go back to this
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point all the time. But like, if you're going to be
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an owner of a baseball team, I think the, the number one
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prerequisite for owning a baseball team should be actually
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caring about baseball and caring about the baseball team that you
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own. And if you're only interested in
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using it as a business asset, then hit the road.
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Like, let somebody else fill the slot.
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Because like hundreds of thousands, millions of people
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around the world, like major baseball has made it a point to
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make this a global game. Shout out to Japan.
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They're doing their part. Millions of people around the
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world invest their time, their energy, their money into this
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product, and you only care about it as a business asset.
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I go ahead and say like, oh, who?
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Who really cares what John Henry thinks of Kyle's opinion?
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He doesn't, and that's the point.
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There's a there's millions of other people like me that have
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the same exact reaction to this, and that's the point.
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Here's the thing with this, by the way, is that if you look up,
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if you look up value with these teams, then if you want to sit
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here and say that it's not like the Red Sox have Dodger money,
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the Dodgers are worth 6.8 billion, Red Sox are worth 4.8.
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They're third in baseball as far as value goes.
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So it's yes, there's a little bit of a gap there, but like
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they're the third most valuable team in baseball.
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I don't think we can just sit there and say like they don't
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know how to operate and they like they're they're not a small
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market team. You're talking about a team
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who's looking at doing. I don't, we haven't even talked
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about this, but the massive, massive concepts of renovating
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around the park and and adding stuff around the field that's
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being talked about and brought up right now.
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Like this team has money. This team does not need to ship
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money out of town and clear books.
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Then, even if Bregman is the truth, and even if Bregman is
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going to be a Red Sox for the rest of his career, which is
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fine. He's not He's.
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Not what are I don't know if we're going to, I don't know if
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we're going to spend a ton of money there.
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That's all like I don't know if we're going to be seeing a $300
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million contract being forked over for Bregman.
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I, I could see 100 and 4000 and 50 this offseason.
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Like I, I, I'm wondering the reasoning behind timing.
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I'm wondering like the message that this sends, is there
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something else that, like I, I don't know if we're seeing all
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of it. I just don't understand the
25:09
return. None of it adds up.
25:13
None of it adds up. Then the giants.
25:16
I mean, if you want to get into the Giants, if you're if you're
25:17
tired about sock stock, we can get into the Giants and what
25:21
this does for them. But I think this is a a straight
25:26
this. This to me makes up for missing
25:30
in free agency over the last half a decade, whatever it's
25:33
been on massive free agents. Oh, this is this is huge for the
25:37
Giants. This is.
25:38
For 10 years, brother. This is huge you.
25:43
Got it for 10 years. And like we talked about on the
25:48
stream, you know, like, I think a word that you and I both
25:51
arrived at is this legitimizes the giants, especially in a
25:55
year, in a season right now. You know, granted, they didn't
25:59
pull out the win tonight on on the stream that we were watching
26:02
on Sunday night baseball against the Dodgers, but still like
26:05
contending a a a legitimate threat at this point in the
26:10
year. And you just added one of the
26:12
best hitters in baseball. Yeah, Yeah.
26:18
Now more question marks because third base is not open in San
26:26
Francisco. I know it's open like
26:29
immediately because Matt Chapman is on the IL, but you're talking
26:35
about sliding over to DH again, you're talking about kind of a
26:43
little bit of a weird scenario with Wilmer Flores, who like has
26:46
produced for them as of late. Do you move him to 1st?
26:51
You know, again, not trying to throw shade, but like Dom Smith,
26:55
we're talking about a little bit on the stream tonight.
26:57
Like he he's actually hitting pretty decently.
26:59
Asleep on Dom Smith, Red Sox legend Dom Smith.
27:02
But they made, I mean they. Cut they cut Lamont Wade Junior
27:06
to like to kind of make that happen.
27:09
So I don't think they can just turn around in a couple weeks
27:12
and and change things. But this is a new day.
27:16
I I'm looking at the giants a little bit differently than I
27:19
have in the past. And and I'm going to, I didn't
27:23
notice this until earlier, but I'm going to attribute some of
27:27
that credit to A1, Mr. Buster Posey, man like coming in and
27:32
kind of changing how we go about business over here in San Fran.
27:36
To my point earlier, that's a guy that cares about winning.
27:39
That's a guy that's won, cares about winning, doesn't care
27:42
about money. I know maybe his, his role
27:45
doesn't involve, you know, the the bottom line as much as a guy
27:50
like John Henry. That's a guy that cares about
27:53
winning is going to make the move.
27:55
He's going to push the right buttons.
27:56
He's going to talk to the right people to ensure that his team
27:58
has a chance to do that. John Henry, not so much.
28:02
Craig Fresno, I don't know what you're doing.
28:04
This is a massive trade. I mean, this is a big deal.
28:07
This shakes up this. This clears up this clears up
28:12
some headaches for me in the east, and it it brings some
28:15
headaches over to the West. That that was a thing like, you
28:18
know, kind of jokes aside with this, but like that was that was
28:25
one of my favorite. That was one of my favorite
28:27
bits. Like, I just loved being able to
28:30
stoke that fire every time Ravi Devers took the plate against,
28:34
you know, stepped into the box against Garrett Cole that like,
28:38
I. Just Garrett Cole.
28:38
It was a lot of Garrett Cole. No, no, just like he.
28:40
For sure, but like that was just one thing I could like
28:43
regardless how bad the season was going and it's been bad,
28:47
it's been ugly the last 3-4 years regardless how that what
28:51
was happening. I could at least count on that.
28:53
But now. We could we could joke about
28:55
that, but the truth is, like on the other side of it, Jordan
28:58
George Steinbrenner would loved anybody that did well against
29:02
against the Red Sox. Like if if you struggled the
29:04
rest of the year, but you helped beat the Red Sox and you did it
29:07
with a note like that went a long way.
29:10
And so like that does hold weight.
29:13
You know what I mean? That does hold weight.
29:15
So I'm interested to see what I don't get me wrong, he's got pop
29:19
to go out anywhere. But like, I'm interested to see
29:21
how numbers change in San Francisco.
29:25
Down definitely goes down. But like, you know, you slot him
29:29
in. We were talking about on the
29:31
stream again tonight because they were playing the Dodgers.
29:33
But like you get into one through three across the league
29:39
and and impressive lineups with like Junghoo Lee, Willy Adamus
29:44
and Rafi Devers. Like, that's a, that's a nice,
29:49
nice start to a game. And I got to imagine Giants fans
29:56
are coming out of hibernation right now and feeling very
30:00
excited. No, let's I mean, I I know we
30:02
say no disrespect, like let's, let's show proper or proper
30:06
respect. I giants fans, you have to think
30:09
have been relatively invested into this year.
30:11
Like we said, I mean, they're having a they're having a
30:13
quality start to the year now, maybe understandably so maybe
30:18
they're still a little, you know, upset with just continued.
30:23
Maybe it's residual from like the past few off seasons of of
30:26
missing out on the guys they've really wanted.
30:29
They've they've plugged some holes here and there for sure,
30:31
but in like a Willy Adamus, for example, but even Willy Adamus
30:34
is he had a a slow start of the year.
30:37
But to my point, you mentioned the the 123 maybe have
30:40
endeavours helps out a guy like Willy Adamus to have a little
30:43
bit more, little more pop in that lineup, maybe a little bit
30:48
a little bit of a situation where Adamus can feed off of
30:51
that. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's going to
30:55
be nice over there, man. Yeah.
30:57
Must be nice. Where where you want to go from
31:08
here, pal? I just this is I, I keep, I, I
31:10
keep coming back to the money aspect of it because there's so
31:13
many people like people in the chat and no disrespect, but I
31:19
keep seeing people that are like, well, it's just clearing
31:21
up money for Bregman. I've already said it twice.
31:25
What about the way that they've run this team for the last, call
31:29
it seven years makes you the post World Series?
31:36
What makes you think that they're going to keep they're
31:38
going to keep Bregman around? And even if they do pony up the
31:41
money like they did for Devers, what makes you think they're
31:44
going to keep them around long term?
31:50
I don't know. I don't.
31:51
And again the the point that it does.
31:53
Happen. It's a weird transition to go
31:55
from a young dude who has been in your in your organization.
31:59
It is the face of it to switch to an older aging.
32:02
You know what I'm saying? Like like that's a weird mindset
32:06
shift. Just strictly if he's a better
32:10
yes man, you know what I mean? Like how does that happen?
32:14
I don't know. I don't know.
32:18
It's just. Going back to going back to my
32:23
point that and we don't have to keep harping on this, but then
32:25
going back to my point about and let me just say, I apologize if
32:31
I'm coming on a little strong, like I said, but this is I'm I'm
32:36
sick of this. And then people say, oh, how bad
32:38
could it be as a Red Sox fan? It's pretty bad.
32:40
It's pretty bad. Like I don't have, I don't have
32:42
anybody to really, you know, consider a favorite player now.
32:45
Like I'm going to have to wait till some of these young guys
32:47
grow up. But even then they're like, I'm
32:49
like 10 years older than some of these guys coming up.
32:51
So that's a little weird. So I, I don't really know where
32:55
to go. But the point about, so again,
32:57
I, I apologize for coming on a little strong, But what I was
33:01
saying with the leverage thing with Bregman, you, you don't
33:05
think Bregman's going to Bregman and his camp are going to use
33:08
this as, as leverage to go. You need me a whole lot more
33:14
than I need you now. Yeah, that's only going to drive
33:18
the price tag up for Boston, so. Which is weird because they're,
33:23
they're willing to say no to a certain extent to most guys so
33:26
far. And then they randomly say yes.
33:29
And I don't know, it's a very confusing.
33:33
I'm confused. I'm I'm very confused.
33:38
I'm very very very confused on how they're operating.
33:44
I don't get it, man, I'm over it any I mean we got like a couple
33:52
other items here to to cover, but do you have do you have any
33:56
other thoughts on? I mean, I don't know, like, do
33:59
people that people enjoy here in this, this Devers commentary,
34:03
like is that I'm guessing that's what's taking over the airwaves
34:06
starting tomorrow, Monday morning.
34:09
But I, I, I just don't know. I'm truly, I know we've talked
34:13
about it for half an hour plus now, but I, I just feel like
34:16
generally speaking, I'm at a, I'm at a loss for words like big
34:19
picture here because I, I, they do something stupid and I say
34:23
there's no way you can do something more stupid than that.
34:26
And they do it anyway. Is anyone next?
34:35
Do you see Duran? I know you kind of mentioned it
34:37
earlier, but do you actually see Duran getting moved I.
34:40
I mean, realistically no, but could I see them doing it?
34:46
At this point I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.
34:50
I genuinely couldn't. Who out of the rotation gets
34:53
moved to Both Hicks and Harrison get moved to the bullpen.
34:57
I I. Don't care.
34:59
I I really don't. I really don't like Kyle
35:09
Harrison and Jordan Hicks. I I get it was a set like you,
35:18
whatever you're going to chalk it up to get money off the
35:20
books. But come on, Connor Wong's as
35:24
good as gone. So that'll close the book on the
35:26
Mookie Betts trade. Officially, yeah.
35:29
In the chat, will your Bray use as good as gone?
35:32
I think they're waiting for him to to turn things well. 1st it's
35:35
also weird. Yeah, for waiting on him to get
35:38
healthy and then get him back to to where he was to start the
35:42
year, which was very hot. And then they'll they'll ship
35:45
him out. So I, dude, I don't know.
35:47
I don't know. Whatever, man.
35:59
You know Red Sox, you know myself, other Red Sox fans have
36:04
it bad. But do we have it as bad as
36:08
Aaron Savali? No one does we.
36:12
Don't have to go too deep into this, but the if you haven't, if
36:15
you haven't caught it and please in the chat, if if you prefer us
36:19
to just continue this Rafi Devers rant, we can we can loop
36:23
back to it at the end, but just want to want to cover this.
36:26
Aaron Savale trade requested trade on what's today the 13th.
36:34
I think it was the 12th. It's the 15th.
36:38
No, sorry, I'm getting my days mixed up.
36:40
He he requested the trade on the 12th.
36:42
Today's the 15th. Requested the trade on the 12th.
36:44
13th Traded. Traded to the White Sox the next
36:48
day. Yeah, yeah.
36:50
Classic case. And be careful what you wish
36:52
for. Yeah.
36:55
And look, I, I hear the argument that like, it's still a win for
36:59
Savali because you either you well, you're going to go over
37:02
there, you're going to start again because he'd been demoted.
37:05
People are going, well, why would you request a trade?
37:06
He'd been demoted to the bullpen.
37:10
He requested trade. People are saying it's a win for
37:13
him because again, you're going to, you're going to go over
37:15
there, you're going to start again.
37:16
You're either. Yeah, but at what cost?
37:19
That's what I'm that's my, that's my argument.
37:22
People are like, well, he's he's going to either pitch well, get
37:25
money in free agency, or at the end of the day, he can still
37:27
just be a starter and, and, and try again elsewhere.
37:31
I don't know, whatever, but that's my point.
37:37
The White Sox. Do you think they called anyone
37:43
else? Do you think the Brewers called
37:45
anybody else? Or where they were just like,
37:47
yo, watch this, Then they called the White Sox and like, let's
37:51
make this happen. You know what I mean?
37:53
Shout. Out Well, that's a good point.
37:54
Shout out to the Brewers, you know, for really protecting the
37:58
integrity of the trade market in Major League Baseball because I
38:03
when I saw that I'm going, Oh no, Aaron Savale is the
38:09
snowflake that begins the avalanche in Major League
38:12
Baseball, similar to that of the NBA, where I don't like my
38:17
situation. So I went out and when I saw
38:20
that he requested the trade, I'm going.
38:22
I sure hope that he ends up somewhere that he doesn't want
38:26
to end up, because that'll hopefully at least put a
38:29
temporary to stop to that. And sure enough, he ends up in
38:33
Chicago. You want to throw demands?
38:36
I'm going to send you one of the worst franchises in sports.
38:39
The literal reigning worst team in Major League history.
38:43
So Congrats buddy, enjoy make. Sure, I have respect on the make
38:49
sure pack. Heat while you're out there, by
38:50
the way. That got me.
38:52
That got me. Or you can sneak it in.
38:54
Or you can sneak it in. Yeah, if you have.
38:56
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. Yep, Yep, Yep.
39:03
Yeah, no big, big time respect for the Brewers in in that move.
39:08
Offloading toxic relationship Devers while clearing money in a
39:12
season where nothing is happening for the Red Sox.
39:15
What are we talking about? I need to I.
39:17
Thought we started to move forward.
39:19
We did, but I said we'd be willing to revisit.
39:21
And you know what? I'm willing to revisit.
39:23
You're back now. You've won.
39:25
You're 6 1/2 back in the East, you've you're 8 and two in your
39:28
last 10. You won five in a row.
39:30
You're a game over 500. Like, I get it.
39:34
It's not pretty at the moment, but like to sit to just write
39:36
the season off as though nothing's happening.
39:38
Like, yeah, maybe 2 weeks ago I would have been like cancel the
39:41
season. But to say nothing's happening,
39:45
that's, that's ridiculous, I think, I think.
39:47
When you said you're a game out of the wild card.
39:50
No, I I think as of right now, well, you're you're half a game
39:55
out now. Oh, I actually, I don't know if
39:56
this is updated completely. Maybe it is.
39:58
But either way, you're like, right, you're knocking on the
40:00
door, whatever. Whatever, Aaron Zavali, go have
40:08
fun in Chicago, whatever. Speaking of which, Shohei Tani,
40:17
Shohei Tani. We've got the news.
40:19
Shout out to the chat. By the way, they, they, they
40:22
broke the news for us because I'm not able to keep completely
40:25
up to date. Shohei is set.
40:32
Let me make sure I got got it right here.
40:33
Shohei Otani set to start for the Dodgers tomorrow night
40:39
against the Padres. How about that?
40:43
How about that? Fitting, I think.
40:50
Very fitting. He said.
40:51
I don't know why Robert said. Robert said they're throwing in
40:54
the towel, bro. That's what it.
40:55
That's what this is. I agree with you.
40:57
Yeah, sorry, back to this real quick, back to no disrespect,
41:01
back to this Rafi Devers thing. They're they're throwing a
41:05
towel. I agree with you on that part.
41:07
I agree with you. Yeah, by this move.
41:08
I don't know what you're I don't know what message you're sending
41:10
now. So yeah, you might as well throw
41:12
in a towel cause what you just got rid of one of the best
41:14
leaders in baseball to say that nothing was happening this year
41:18
for the Red Sox. I disagree.
41:20
I've I've, I've had my ups and downs, I've been angry.
41:22
I've been happy. Two weeks ago I would have said,
41:24
yeah, cancel season, like I said, but that's crazy.
41:27
I agree with you though. They're throwing in the towel.
41:29
So Shohei Otani. Volatility.
41:38
Wait, what? Did the Yankees trade Jason
41:40
Dominguez? What?
41:43
Could we please move on to the Yankees and then trading Jason
41:45
Minguez? What?
41:48
No. OK, just want to make sure.
41:51
I mean, I've seems to be a lot going on tonight, so I just want
41:54
to make sure that didn't that didn't fly under the radar.
41:59
So Shohei Atani, Yeah, set the pitch against the Dodgers.
42:01
And I think according to Laura in the chat against Dylan Cease.
42:07
Yeah, Sorry, Laura. I'm all over the place.
42:09
You are. That's OK.
42:16
That, you know what that tells me, that tells me that the
42:18
Dodgers are a little more worried about their pitching
42:20
situation than maybe they're letting on.
42:22
Maybe. Maybe so.
42:25
Because I don't care how ready Shohei is, it's off.
42:29
It's a good bit earlier than you you had envisioned for the
42:33
timeline. And if there is any guy that
42:36
you're not going to rush back if you can afford it, it's Shohei
42:40
Otani. But yet here we are.
42:44
Well. They're panicking dude, but
42:48
they're pitching situation not I'm not saying as a whole, but
42:51
with their pitching situation, they're you.
42:54
You don't do this if if you can afford not to.
42:59
Yeah, probably, probably right. Probably right.
43:08
Good news is Kershaw looked good the other day, right?
43:11
DNL so maybe? Sorry.
43:17
I'm reading, maybe we can turn back the clock a little bit.
43:20
I'm reading now that Roki Sasaki no longer throwing.
43:26
He's been. He's been shut down, huh?
43:28
Shut down Dave. I'm reading a tweet now, Dave
43:32
Roberts said. The Dodgers mindset should be to
43:37
you should prepare so you won't get him back this season.
43:41
Yeah. Yeah, I don't feel bad.
43:55
I I it sucks for Roki Sasaki. I mean, I I, that was exciting.
43:58
I was glad to see him, you know, come over and, like, start to
44:01
have success. Like, that was cool.
44:03
That's neat. I mean, what's I, I can't even
44:08
keep the list of names straight at this point.
44:11
Like I, I don't know what it is about Tyler Glass now.
44:15
I just, I have this like feeling that I, he's going to be back
44:21
and he's going to be fine and like, he's just managed this
44:27
way, right? Like he's just always going to
44:29
be kind of hurt. Let's just kind of bypass the
44:33
regular season, give him a couple starts before the
44:35
postseason starts, you know what I mean?
44:36
Like, that's kind of where I'm at.
44:38
I, I, I don't know, I, I think they're going to be fine.
44:42
Yamamoto has been kind of off and on, but for the most part
44:46
it's still pretty good this year.
44:47
So like I, I'm not. Expected.
44:52
Expected to activate Emmett Sheehan this week.
44:55
Yeah, Yeah. Dustin May didn't look great
45:01
tonight, but he didn't look terrible like it.
45:03
Yeah, pretty erratic, but. They're going to find innings,
45:07
they're going they're going to be fine.
45:10
Interested to interested to see the length of of what show Hey
45:15
can go and pay attention to, you know, pay attention to the
45:22
hitting. Does that go down at all?
45:24
I know we've seen him do both in the past.
45:26
Like this isn't anything new, but it has been a while, so it
45:32
would be interesting. I don't know.
45:38
It's a Romat guy. You all right, You going to make
45:55
it? Well, you're going to have to
46:02
sleep on it. You're going to wake up.
46:07
You're going to be like, did that really occur?
46:16
It did. Yep.
46:20
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man.
46:27
That's really all I got. I I could go on about this, but
46:31
I don't know how much people want to hear me gripe about how
46:33
much my team sucks. I don't know how much I want to
46:36
hear about it either. You should be eating this up if
46:39
anything. I don't like.
46:41
We got you and I look, I'm worried about you and I we we've
46:46
been we've been doing this show for too long.
46:48
We're I think when it comes to the Red Sox, Yankee stuff, we
46:51
try. We're like, hey, man, I, you
46:53
know what rivalry. Here's the thing.
46:56
I really feel for you. You should have been dancing on
46:59
my grave. Here's why.
47:01
Here's. Why?
47:02
Because I don't have a leg to stand on, one.
47:06
And two, it's been 16 years for us, so it's not like I can, you
47:12
know what I mean? Like I know what misery feels
47:14
like because I've felt it for this long.
47:17
You got to take your chances. I know it's been 16 years.
47:21
I know you just got swept, but we just traded away the best
47:25
hitter on our team and one of the best in baseball.
47:30
I like this question a year. I like this one.
47:36
Luka Doncic being traded to the Lakers or Deafers being traded
47:41
to the. A valid question actually.
47:43
It's a really good question. Is there an answer like I'm I'm
47:45
not nearly the I'm not really a basketball guy at all, but I
47:48
know that it was still a crazy. Deal.
47:50
Now this No I mean I think the Luka one was worse because it
47:53
was like it just. From the clouds.
47:56
So there was this one it. Was very much from the clouds,
47:58
but there's also like conspiracy of like saving the league in a
48:03
way like I don't I don't the MOP is fine.
48:06
I don't think this you know, everyone's going to wake up
48:08
tomorrow and the MOP is going to be thriving still.
48:13
So like I don't think they're in shambles the way the NBA is.
48:16
That's fair. But.
48:23
I still maintain that you should have been dancing on my grave.
48:26
I. Sweep pales in comparison.
48:29
I Here's why 10. Years left on the contract,
48:33
yeah. Here's why I think is that like
48:36
we both found out during the stream and then it like it let
48:44
it let it like sit in. Shots fired, shots fired, Josh
48:49
in the chat says, coughs Nate, with all due respect, you don't
48:52
know what misery is. Walk over here in my shoes,
48:54
brother. Bridge to October podcast.
48:56
That's a pirate show. They know all about misery over
48:59
there. But hey, you know what?
49:01
Hey, I'm hearing from a reliable source that schemes cannot wait
49:06
to put pen to paper for 1214 years.
49:11
So, you know, the misery hopefully won't last much
49:13
longer. We'll we'll, we'll see.
49:17
We'll see. Hey, one of the hey, you sound
49:19
bad fired. I'm just bad.
49:22
But you're never down as bad as Pirates fans.
49:25
That's the. I'm just letting it fire from
49:28
the hip. I'm off the rails right now.
49:32
Oh, pal, I, I'm, I'm stoked that I don't have to see him hit in
49:39
Yankee Stadium anymore because I, I really got, I got sick of
49:42
it. I got sick of it.
49:45
So I'm glad to see him go on. Actually real quick on that kind
49:50
of, you know, why not, why not come back to the the Devers
49:53
trade? Where come back we've have we
49:56
even left? There's been 1 foot on it the
49:59
whole time. Yo, I completely forgot, guess
50:08
who's going to San Francisco Friday June 20th, the 21st and
50:13
the 22nd. Really.
50:17
The team that just shopped you out of town?
50:20
When? This coming weekend.
50:25
Oh boy, we're going to have to buckle up for that.
50:32
I pretty much never put a Red Sox game on when I'm watching
50:37
games on the TV's. This might have to happen.
50:41
Please do, Please do. I hope and look at I've I'm
50:47
always of the belief that no player is above the jersey, as
50:52
it were, maybe outside of like David Ortiz.
50:55
I made if they would have mishandled that, which they kind
50:58
of did at points. But if they were shipped him out
51:01
of town, I'm following. I'm following Ortiz wherever
51:03
he's going. I'm put me on your back, big
51:05
Poppy. I'm going where you're going.
51:07
But but yeah. But with this, with this
51:10
situation, again, I don't think Devers is bigger than the
51:12
jersey. So I'm it's not like I'm just
51:14
owning the Red Sox to pull for Devers exclusively, but I hope,
51:18
I hope he puts up 3 or 4 tanks this weekend.
51:21
I really hope just just to just to put.
51:24
Salt in the wound, and it's in San Fran.
51:26
Yes, that's even better. All right, let's I want.
51:31
I want you to rank these as far as the most painful Let's go
51:39
Mookie trade. Bogart's trade.
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Devers trade. Babe Ruth trade.
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Well, I'm going to put one as the worst trade.
51:52
I'm put well, I'm just going personal.
51:54
If I'm yeah, if if I got to rank the babe trade, I'm putting that
51:59
at the bottom, because without the babe, without the babe
52:02
trade, we don't have O 4. And really, I mean really, we
52:07
don't have, we don't have what you and I have had for our
52:11
entire lives. And I, you know, like I wouldn't
52:13
I, I get the world. You wouldn't want that.
52:15
You wouldn't want to undo it. I'd get all that, but like the
52:18
27 rings, whatever. But like the some of the
52:21
sweetest moments I've had as a baseball fan stemmed because of
52:25
that trade back in 1918. So you know what?
52:27
I sounds crazy the most I'm sure, but I'll take that trade.
52:30
You got that at 5, OK. So I'll go 5 there.
52:35
Wait, I thought there was 4. It was the three, the three
52:39
stars, 444 and then babe. Yeah.
52:42
So Babe at 4:00. I mean, unless there's another.
52:47
I'm going Xander at one. This is just personal for me.
52:50
Like that was my guy and you just, you spit in his face.
52:53
So that's the worst one. That's worse than Mookie.
52:55
Huh. No, this personal, this is like,
52:57
it's not like it's, I'm not like writing an art of a scholarly
53:02
report. Yeah.
53:03
If I were, it'd be Mookie just because of the return.
53:08
Well, Babe, Babe was traded the like to finance a play or
53:13
something. I I whatever man.
53:15
Red Sox suck, dude. I hate this team.
53:18
I hate this team so much. But if I'm making a personalist,
53:22
I'm going again, personal. I'm going Xander first.
53:31
You know, I, I felt like he didn't want to be here.
53:34
There's been conflicting reports.
53:36
I thought he was gone anyway, but I've still got to put Mookie
53:38
2, Devers three like they, they all suck.
53:43
That's that's the that's the take away here.
53:45
It's hard to rank them because they all suck.
53:47
But whatever, man, the take away, no, the real takeaways is
53:50
this team just sucks. Like we we don't know what we're
53:53
doing. Ship without a sale.
53:57
Oh, I could add a fifth one in. How about the Yuan Mancata sign
54:01
like signing just be like he's the future he's.
54:08
I'm never going to fault A-Team for making an addition like
54:11
that, You just never know. But we all just miss so much
54:15
it's. Crazy.
54:18
No, that's not true, though we don't always miss.
54:20
We get guys like Mookie Betts, Raphael Devers, Those are those
54:24
are pretty big wins. And they're like, yeah, we'd
54:27
rather not. Anyway, I've rambled enough.
54:29
I'm sure the people are sick of you hear me ramble.
54:32
Yeah, I know you're sick of you hear me, Randall.
54:34
Ramble. I am.
54:36
I am. I'm a big fan of your pain.
54:40
As you should be. Yeah, we got to get back to
54:43
this, this nicey nice stuff. Well, coming off the sweep, I
54:47
don't feel great about. So like, I'm not, I'm not
54:51
feeling the. Fact that this happened and
54:53
you're still thinking about the sweep is crazy to me.
54:55
Like you could have. I look, you're you're the Red
54:58
Sox are sheep. I'm you know, the Yankees are
55:00
the lion. That's I we don't concern
55:03
ourselves so. Here we go.
55:04
Here we go. Like that.
55:07
That to me is like the you, you weren't really a threat.
55:11
I'm more upset with the fact that we had a bad weekend.
55:15
It's not about. Yeah, we just lost.
55:17
We just lost the face of the franchise for the next 10 years,
55:20
but you guys lost a few games. We had a rough weekend.
55:22
Rough weekend, Tough. Tough weekend at the ball yard.
55:25
Whatever. I'm I'm done.
55:28
We got anything else? We got anything else to cover?
55:31
I don't know it's. It's late.
55:33
We've been talking baseball for like 4 hours.
55:36
Like it's been, it's been nice. We have.
55:38
We have. Shout, shout it out, shout out,
55:42
shout out the folks that have joined us both for the the
55:44
keeping book stream that we did, which again, that was great.
55:48
And then this shout out to you guys.
55:53
I might go try to find a lobster roll somewhere tomorrow.
55:56
OK, whatever where no, I'm not buying this manufactured No, I I
56:01
need some real Gen. like legitimate genuine hey man, this
56:08
manufactured lobster you're not going to buy lobster roll
56:11
tomorrow I get. Tired.
56:12
That's probably what it is. Yeah, I'm in Arizona.
56:13
What are you? Yeah, you're not finding the
56:16
lobster roll questionable anyway.
56:19
All right, that's that'll do it. Shout out to Nate for riding
56:25
this out. You had to vent, pal.
56:28
I knew you. Yeah, I mentioned it earlier.
56:30
I did have, I did have a statement regarding the cannon,
56:33
the credit cannon. Big news.
56:37
Pushed. That's been pushed to been.
56:40
Delayed Wednesday. We should.
56:41
I'd like you to dress a little better for that announcement.
56:44
I'll try. I'll.
56:46
Try. So I'll make that.
56:49
I'll make that announcement on on Wednesday, but I'll make that
56:55
statement. It's not an announcement really,
56:56
it's a statement, but we'll see you guys Wednesday.
56:59
You got anything else? Official statement.
57:00
Yeah. No, I'm.
57:03
I'm all out of words. Love it.
57:07
Yeah, go get Jason Kerr balls. Olivia is always looking forward
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to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
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Until next time, stay filthy.