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Mega Edition: Transcripts From The DOJ's Sit Down With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 7-9) (6/7/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with a bullshit ass transcript from
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Glen Maxwell and the DOJ Todd Blanche. Okay, So let's
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I want to stay and coming back now to what
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we were talking about a moment ago with mister Epstein's
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kind of progression or getting worse. So just staying within
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the nineties, what role, what role did you have or
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what did you observe which are two different issues but
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both important with respect to recruiting messuses to come to
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either I guess Palm Beach or to travel or eventually
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New Mexico. What role do you have in that? Maxwell?
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He asked me to find massuses for him. Blanche, say
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it again, Maxwell, He asked me if I could find
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massuses for him. Blanche, okay, like part of like said
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you were his general manager as part of your duties,
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that was one of them, Maxwell, and I did do that.
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So the first person I believe that I introduced him
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to was a missus somebody called redacted. She was I
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don't know, mid late twenties professional messuse Blanche. And was
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this something that happened early on in your relationship or again,
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I know we're talking about the nineties, or are we
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talking about early nineties or is this later on? Maxwells So,
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in terms of massage, I have a lot of injuries.
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I do a lot of dangerous sports, and I've had
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multiple serious accidents and walk without any lameness because of
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physical therapy and massages. That to me is a very
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it's medicinal for me. So Epstein, whatever his massage situation, whatever,
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he loved massage. And if I met somebody who I
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thought was a good masseuse or a massaur, I introduced
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them and he became because I got them. And he
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asked me if I did that, and I said, yes,
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I'm pretty sure that. Well I don't remember ninety three,
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ninety two from the beginning, Blanche, So go ahead. So
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then what happens over the next you know, like there's
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been there's been a ton of writing and a ton
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of I guess testimony as well, but also public reporting
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about how the recruiting was a very aggressive effort that
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you were a part of, that he was part of
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and others to try and find more and more messuses.
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What is that? Is that true? What role did you
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play in that, Maxwell, Well, that's partially true, okay, Maxwell,
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So it's true that I found massuses and he became
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more insistent. He liked new all the time he got bored,
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so he'd be bored with the massus and he would say,
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find me a new massuse. I'm the entire opposite. If
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I find someone that I like, I stay with them.
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I'm like, I don't want new. He would drive for new.
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So that's true. And in my effort to find them,
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I would go to massage spas, like legitimate spas, not
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we're talking you know, funky ones that people have. So
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if I got a massage from somebody in a spa
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I liked, I asked them if they would do home visits.
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If they said yes, I would ask him to come
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to the house and he would see if he liked
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them or not. But these were people who worked in spas.
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I never ever checked their age, and I never checked
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their credentials. I never asked for a certificate, Blanche what Marcus.
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But just to be clear, you never thought anybody was
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under eighteen, Maxwell, I never know. That was never. That
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was never my drive. What are you in prison for?
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Right now? You stupid ass. Who's this fucking Skuffouza and
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the scumbag Marcus trying to rewrite this story. It's not
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gonna happen. Keep in mind that gland Maxwell used to
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talk about going out and finding new biles for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Keep that in mind. Maxwell, I never that was never.
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That was never my drive. Blanche. What did you know
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at the time about him, mister Epstein requiring messuses to
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be naked, or requiring messuses to either perform sexual favors
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for mister Ebstein, or that to be there if mister
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Epstein masturbated, or things like that. And again, I'm asking
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you about fifteen year period or whatever, ten year period,
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so I appreciate it's a very broad question. Is this
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guy for real? Why don't you just go give Glenn
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Maxwell a nice hug and slipper some tongue, you fucking goof.
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So answer it in a way that you, you know,
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addresses what you've been charged with doing, but also what's
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been said about you, not charged, convicted, You fuck an asshole?
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Holy shit, is this what the Trump administration thinks about justice?
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What a joke? Bro? How can anyone sit here and
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read this and not be offended. Maxwell, Okay, So I
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don't the nineties. I don't think that I ever thought
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that would never cross my mind. I'm not sure that
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I thought about that in those contexts at all until
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it's arrest and those papers came out. But I believe
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the subject of the question that you're asking me, I
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believe started in the two thousands, Blanche, in the two
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thousand time period. Maxwell, Yeah, two thousand, Blanche. Why do
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you think two thousand, Blanche? Like? What what in your
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mind makes you think that there's a time that it started. Maxwell,
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I think because in December of two thousand and one
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he met redacted, and I think redacted was responsible for
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that in its entirety. And the reason I believe that
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so this she was a self confess to having been
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sexually abused as a young girl and was trained her
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words I'm quoting now, not mine, in all arts or whatever,
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that is the sex program by a man called Ron Eppinger,
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who was her pimp from when she was fourteen I believe,
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or fifteen, I don't know, and in her book describes
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him training her to be what every man wants in
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all its manners, fillatio and everything else. I believe that
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then what happened was that he met her and she
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came as a messuse to his house in December of
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two thousand and one, is when I think it started.
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You think you're the one who brought her there, you
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fucking disgusting ghoul. Now what their relationship was or what
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happened with him in that early period of time, I
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cannot say. What I can say is that he liked
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her and she started to travel with him, and during
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that time period, I believe I know then what happened
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was that she when she first started to see him,
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or first came into his orbit as his massuse or whatever,
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she was engaged to be married and wearing an engagement
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ring and was living with her fiance. She broke up
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after a few months with her fiance and took up
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with the local drug dealer. So let's say after four
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or five months of in the time period when she
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was seeing Epstein. Let's say we're now May June of
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two thousand and two or two thousand. I can't remember.
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From whenever she hints the whatever that is if that's
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two thousand, I think it's two thousand. I'm sorry, I
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think it's when she met him December of two thousand.
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You mean when you brought her there, you fucking disgusting animal.
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So she's perjuring herself right here. She's lying through her teeth.
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Nobody's gonna do anything about it. And what they're going
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to tell you to do is take a bite of
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that shit sandwich and enjoy it, Blanche. Okay, I'm not
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holding you to exact day, Maxwell, No, I mean, I'm
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just trying. I'm giving Blanche. I appreciate it, Maxwell. So
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then I think, so she takes up with the local
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drug dealer, and she becomes druggy druggy like you know
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how druggies, Well maybe you don't. I live with a
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lot in Tallahassee. They become even more unreliable than normal.
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And at some point she's now working somewhere else. He
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stops seeing her because he doesn't like people who do drugs.
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And I think that not seeing her lasted five or
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six months, and in that period of time, she got
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arrested for theft, and she had a warrant out for
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her arrest. Now this I've pieced together, because this piece
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I didn't know. She then called Epstein to have help
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avoiding the warrant for her arrest, and he sent her
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to Thailand to get a massage therapy license. This is
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the bit that I guess. This is the bit that
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I extrapolated. Yo, this is unconscionable. Glenn Maxwell's the lady
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who walked Virginia into the jaws of the beast and
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then to sit here and act like she has no
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idea what's going on, and to be allowed to get
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away with it, that is fucking unbelievable. And it tells
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you everything you need to know about the DOJ, Lame Ass,
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Pam Bondi, Cash, Bitch Ass Bettel, Dan Faker, Bongino, and
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Donnie Diddles. Tells you everything you need to know about
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all of them. In the period of time from when
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she came back to when she left, he asked her
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to replace herself as his messuse or whatever whatever she
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was doing, and she brought the first replacement for her
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that would have been one of the accusers in my case,
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I think would have been redacted that and then everyone
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who came subsequent to redacted or simultaneously. If she wasn't
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the first, I don't know every single person who came
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to his house came through redacted and her boyfriend Tony
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and then whoever else underneath her, And that's how it started.
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Blanche So before her Lea Safian Tony Figueroa, Maxwell, Tony
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Figueroa is her boyfriend? No mention if Sarah Kellen Vickers though, right?
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And Yo, the sin in me wants to say that
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all of this is happening because Virginia is gone. If
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she wasn't gone, do you think they'd have the courage
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or the audacity to throw shit on her name like this?
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Blanche before her? So now, going back in the nineties,
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you don't believe that mister Epstein was abusing messuses Marcus
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underage or over age. I mean, I think, well, I'm
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using abuse in the broad sense of the word because
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I'm assuming that you you said that you have no
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idea of the year. You always assume that messuses were
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over age, right Maxwell, I did. So you went and
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got Virginia Roberts from mar A Lago. Knew she was
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not of age, and now you're going to make pretend
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that she was. This is the same shit Maxwell got
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nailed bit with for perjury during the deposition. But sure,
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go ahead, bang out, Blanche So when I'm talking about abuse,
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even talking about an adult messuse who comes in to
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give a massage and is told to take off their clothes,
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told they're not going to get paid if they don't
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take off their clothes. Basic suggested they had to watch
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a masturbate, like the things that have been publicly said
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about what he did. Maxwell, I'm not, Blanche. For now,
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I'm not distinguishing adults or young or underage women. I'm
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saying abuse. Maxwell. I'm going to think about that, and
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that would be a habit, Blanche. Okay, I'm going to
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say that the massage game was a habit, And I think, Marcus,
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what does that mean? Maxwell? That means that I'm sure
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that he didn't suddenly start having relationships with messuses in
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two thousand and two. Okay, So in other words, what
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she said about Virginia just now throw it out the
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fucking window. What an absolute clown, Maxwell. I'm sure he
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must have had relations with messuses. Who knows when, Blanche.
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But you're saying, as far as you I use the
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word abuse, you're saying that, as far as you sit
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here today, you would describe that as more consensual, meaning
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the massuses did those did those things willingly. Maxwell. I
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saw him with a lot of messuses. I never saw
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a single massuse ever look on happy or not come
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back or whatever. So based on my observation, I don't
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think that if you're being raped as now he's like
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this prolific, I just can't imagine why you would return.
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She's still covering for him, she has no remorse, nothing,
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but yet she gets hooked up. This is your justice department, folks,
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this is the people that are gonna blow the doors
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off transparency. These are the same people that cry about
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hot dogs and pizza, the same people who told you
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that motherfuckers were stashed away in basements, the same people
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that were talking about Wayfair trafficking children in their furniture.
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But now Glen Maxwell is the arbiter of truth and
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everybody should just suck it down. Well, I have news
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for you, and I have news for them. Fuck that,
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no chance not gonna happen. And in fact, after reading
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this deposition, I'm one hundred percent convinced that there's a
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cover up. One hundred percent convinced, Blanche. That's not what
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you have deserved at the time, Maxwell, not what I
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observed at the time. No Blanche, We're going to spend
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a little We're going to spend more time on this
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issue because I think it's important. But just going back
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to kind of the question that I started with in
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this area, which is that it ties into the blackmail issue.
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So we talked about people that were his clients, and
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you've mentioned President Clinton and early on. Maxwell, Oh, I
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never said he was a client. Got to protect your boy, right.
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I never said he was a client, Blanche. I did
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not say you said. I'm saying that when you talked
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about his clients Maxwell, right, Blanche, Yeah, and he puts
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his clients off the side. Maxwell, okay, Blanche. And then
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you mentioned some other people. You mentioned President Clinton, Glenn Maxwell. Yes,
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all right. We're going to wrap up right here, and
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in the next episode, we're going to pick up where
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we left off. All of the information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
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Glenn Maxwell's transcripts from her interview with the DJ. Blanche
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and then you mentioned some other people you mentioned President Clinton? Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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you mentioned President Trump early on. Who were other famous politicians,
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who were other individuals in mister Epstein's life during that
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time period, So the early nineties, Maxwell, it was the nineties.
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Let's just should we Blanche cuts her off, Yes, Maxwell, okay,
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Congressman McMillan, Blanche, say it again, Maxwell McMillan, Blanche, okay, Maxwell,
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Henry Rossowsky, who was the provost of Harvard hang on indiscernible, Blanche,
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Sure you're looking at your your notes, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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go ahead. Maxwell, Joe Pagano, Jerry Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipp,
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Dan Abramson. I don't know if in the nineties Tom Pritzker, Ace,
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Jimmy Kine, Lou Raynieri. I mean there were And let's
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go back to Tom Pritzker for a minute. He was
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accused of sexual assault by Virginia Roberts. So when you
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have this other Pritzker clown in Illinois up here talking nonsense,
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keep that in mind, Todd, Blanche, what about the royal family? Maxwell, No,
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he didn't know them in the nineties, Blanche. What about
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Prince Andrew. Maxwell didn't know him in the nineties, Blanche.
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When did Maxwell interrupt them? Well, is that right, Blanche,
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I wouldn't know. I don't know, so I don't want
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you to have to worry about exact dates. You're not
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positive about that, but you don't have a specific recollection
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of that being in the nineties. Maxwell, No, Well, Blanche
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don't know anything. I'd be surprised if Blanche even knew
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the basic story here. And I'm not even being facetious
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when I say that, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, I can date
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it for you, I think, but I can't give you
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to that. She's interrupted by Blanche again. That's okay. I
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think that's fine. So with respect to just and Will,
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we'll just take a break in a minute to get
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some food. But just with respect to mister, with respect
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to individuals you just talked about, so again, focus in
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on the nineties and so the people that I'm talking
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about right now, and we might add some names later.
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So we're talking about the clients that he worked with,
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which you've mentioned several of and I know that that
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wasn't exhaustive, but you mentioned several of them, and then
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kind of what I called famous friends, the prominent individuals
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that were in his life in the nineties. Does any
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of that stick out in your mind as having received massages. Maxwell.
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Henry Rozowski received a massage, Blanche, And why does that
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stick out in your memory? Maxwell? Because I saw him
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in a bathrobe at seventy first Street and he had
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received a massage. He told me, Blanche, do you know
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that was the masseuse was naked during the massage? Maxwell?
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I wouldn't have any idea, Blanche. Do you know whether
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he Maxwell? I doubt it. He was like in his eighties, Blanche,
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say it again, Maxwell, I doubt it. He was like
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in his eighties. So because you're in your eighties doesn't
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mean you don't want to get your weasel greased. I
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don't understand what that even means, Blanche. Okay, so do
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you notwithstanding his age, Maxwell Minsky, Sorry, Blanche said that again?
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Maxwell Minsky was another person, Blanche. Do you know whether,
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for example, President Clinton ever received a massage? He goes
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right to Clinton. Really, that's who you go to. Maxwell.
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I don't believe he did. Well, that's a lie. He did,
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Schantay Davies. Let's keep it moving, Todd, Blanche And what
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makes you say you don't believe he did? Maxwell? Well?
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Because I don't so that's a good question. The time
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that Epstein and President Clinton sped together, the only times
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I believe, well, obviously they traveled there was that you know,
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the plane. They went on the plane twenty six times
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or whatever. That would be one journey, so they spent
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time on the plane together, and I don't believe there
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was ever a massage on the plane. So that would
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have been the only time that I think President Clinton
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would have received a massage, and he didn't because I
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was there. Hey, Todd, Blanche, I know you're out to
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lunch and you're busy sniffin' Donald Trump's jock, but you
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should probably ask her about the picture of Bill Clinton
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getting a massage on that trip in the airport by
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Chante Davies. Not speculation, not me guessing that actually happened. Blanche,
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And you mentioned in the early the very beginning of
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the conversation, you mentioned President Trump in the early nineties. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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what did you observe as far as President Trump and
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his relationship with mister Epstein? Maxwell, Well, I just want
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to say for my relationship with Trump, relationship's a big word,
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but I just want to say that I met him,
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or I believe I may have because of my father
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in the nineties. Again she's lying. There's proof of them
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all pallling around together. Blanche, yep, Okay, Maxwell, So my
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father liked him very much, and he was loved, really
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liked his wife as well, because we're both Czechoslovakian. As
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far as I'm concerned, President Trump was always very cordial
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and very kind to me. And I just want to
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say that I find I admire his extraordinary achievement in
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becoming the president. Now dann that noses brown as Look, Glaine,
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how can you breathe with your nose in gulf so
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deeply up the President's behind? And I like him and
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I've always liked him. So that is the sum of
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substance of my entire relationship with him. No wonder Trump
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wished her well, Blanche. What about mister Epstein's relationship with him? Maxwell,
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I don't know how they met, and I don't know
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how they became friends. I certainly saw them together, and
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I remember the few times I observed them together, but
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they were friendly. I mean, they seem friendly. Maxwell. I
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believe I only ever saw them in social settings. I
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don't recall any private setting. Blanche, did you ever have
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you ever been to mar A Lago and Palm Beach. Yeah,
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that's where she got Virginia from. You dumb asshole, Glenn Maxwell.
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I have Blanche, And what time period are you thinking
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about when you say this? Maxwell, I don't remember when
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the president purchased mar A Lago, so from whenever it
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turned into the club, I went there. I love going there, Blanche.
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Did you go there with mister Epstein or alone? Maxwell?
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Mostly alone? To that she's cut off by Blanche. Do
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you know where? And then she cuts off? Blanche? And
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the times I went there, it was for an event,
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maybe once or twice, Blanche. And do you know whether
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mister Epstein ever went there? Maxwell? I believe he did,
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but again we really he didn't take me with him
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all the time, so we would go He never I never, Well,
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he did from time to time, but he would go alone.
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I think he would maybe go to himself to the SPA.
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I certainly did, Blanche. Did you ever observe President Trump
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receive a massage? Maxwell? Never? Blanche, did you ever observe?
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You said that you were? I mean, have you seen
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that there's photographs public photographs of mister Epstein and President
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Trump together? Maxwell, yes, Blanche. And there's photographs of I
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think you're in some of the photographs Maxwell, Yes, Blanche
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as well. Those all appear to be social settings. Maxwell, yes, Blanche.
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Do you to that he's cut off again by his
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pal Glane Maxwell during her ted talk here. That's my memory.
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They were social settings. I don't know Epstein if he
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had whatever the nature of the President's friendship, if you will,
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or however you wanted to find that with Epstein, I was.
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I never witnessed. They were friendly like people are in
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social settings. I don't think they were close friends or
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I certainly never witnessed the president. I don't recall ever
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seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never
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saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never,
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and it's the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.
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The President was never inappropriate with anybody in the times
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that I was with him. He was a gentleman in
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all respects. Well not according to Maria Farmer. And trust
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me what I tell you, Maria Farmer is a lot
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more credible than Glenn Maxwell. Blanche. When's the last time
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you think you saw in person President Trump? Maxwell, It's
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been a long time, probably sometime the beginning mid two thousands, maybe,
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and it would only have been in a social setting
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as far as I recall, Blanche. And did you ever
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hear mister Epstein or anybody say that President Trump had
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done anything inappropriate with messuses or with anybody in your world? Maxwell?
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Absolutely never, in any context, Blanche, do you know whether
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messus is from mar A Lagos, Spa ended up giving
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massages to private massages to mister Epstein. I'm not asking
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for what you may have read, but from at the time,
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from your personal knowledge, do you know whether that's true? Maxwell?
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I don't recall. Is it possible, Yes, but I don't remember.
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I don't remember that, so I don't want to I
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don't recall that, but it's possible, Blanche. Do you have
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a recollection of ever recruiting a massuse from mar A Lagos,
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Spa to go and give a private massage to mister Epstein. Maxwell,
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I've never recruited a massus from mar A Lago for that,
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as far as I can remember, I can't ever recollect
22:25
doing that. So she didn't go and find Virginia at
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mar A Lago. How is todd, Blanche? She could just
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sitting here and allowing her to rewrite history. I mean,
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holy fucking shit, the fact that he's doing this should
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terrify everybody. This isn't a deposition, this is a fireside
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chat with You're a homie, Blanche, Okay, So I think
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we should do Now, it's about twelve fifteen. We'll take
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a break and we'll come back in a little bit.
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Maxwell okay, Blanche okay. So they take their break, then
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they come back at twelve fifty nine pm. Spencer Horn,
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Good afternoon. We're continuing the recorded profer interview of miss Maxwell.
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The time is twelve fifty nine Thursday, July twenty fourth,
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with how close Todd, Blanche and Maxwell are. I bet
23:11
you they had one drink with two straws at lunch.
23:14
Blanche okay. So just to continue what we're talking about,
23:17
Miss Maxwell, still focused on the nineties time period, with
23:21
understanding that could spill over in the early two thousands,
23:24
but still that part of your life with mister Epstein.
23:27
There has been public reporting about conduct by mister Epstein
23:30
and others at Little Saint James Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, can
23:35
you talk about the frequency with which you went there
23:38
and address some of those some of the reporting namely
23:41
around young messus's or young women who would be present,
23:44
and that you observed Maxwell, yes, Blanche relating to them,
23:48
and then I'll ask the questions around that Maxwell. So
23:51
if I'm right, he purchased the island in ninety six,
23:54
and he was friendly with the owners and originally he
23:56
went to the island as a guest of the owners,
23:58
and then I guess at some point point the owners
24:00
told them they wanted to sell and he decided to
24:03
purchase it. So the island was very rustic. I loved it.
24:07
He of course had completely different ideas, and I would
24:10
say there was none of what you were describing at
24:12
the early period of time. Nothing happened Glenn Maxwell and
24:16
Jeffrey Epstein completely innocent, and all the survivors they're all liars.
24:22
So the frequency was was often, we're often on the
24:25
island because he loved it. He really really loved it,
24:27
and he would go all the time. Mostly all the
24:30
early phase was based on improvements that could be made
24:33
on the island, always going with new architects, new designers,
24:36
new construction people. I'd say the first two years, almost
24:40
every trip, not everyone, but almost every trip contained some
24:44
an individual who would be brought on board to have
24:46
an opinion as to how I don't want to use
24:49
the word improve the island, because I don't think you
24:51
could improve it. But I think that word would be
24:55
what's the word I'm looking for to develop it? Sorry,
24:57
that's the word, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, develop develop the island.
25:02
That's the word I'm looking for. So there were trips,
25:04
constant trips with that in mind. And I would say, now,
25:08
if we are moving to the late nineties or ninety
25:11
six ninety seven, I definitely witnessed a progression in mister
25:15
Epstein's behavior and a modification, if you will. Where in
25:18
the past, in the early nineties, I don't remember traveling
25:21
so much with other people. There would be a massuse
25:24
or a yoga person, but now he started to travel
25:26
with more always a massuse. Whereas in the past it
25:29
wasn't always a massuse or always an instructor. There was
25:33
now starting to always be an individual or a friend
25:36
or whatever. There's always like maybe the word would be entourage,
25:39
and there would always be people in their twenties, late twenties,
25:42
early thirties, as my memory sees it, as I observed
25:46
that time, and he tasked me with finding a local
25:49
masseuse for him in saying Thomas, because sometimes even though
25:52
I say he would always travel with an entourage, sometimes
25:55
he didn't and he wanted to have a massage locally.
25:59
This lady's just spitting words out, just saying all kinds
26:02
of nonsense. Whatever she thinks, that butt head Blanche wants
26:06
to hear. So I visited the spas that were local
26:10
in Saint Thomas and Saint John. If I met someone
26:12
a man or a woman actually, because it was difficult
26:15
to find somebody in Saint Thomas, it's not exactly you know.
26:18
So I did find a couple of people who would come.
26:21
So that's how they came. Because also it was a schlep,
26:25
so if you had somebody who came, it would be
26:27
you would have to you know, boat ride and several hours.
26:30
It wasn't just like arriving with your massage table and stuff.
26:34
So there was that. So I did that, Blanche. So
26:38
did over the years males also give massages to mister
26:40
Epstein Maxwell. Yes, I did say, I don't think at
26:44
the beginning definitely, and I would say towards sort of
26:46
again late nineties, I don't remember any men they were
26:50
at the beginning. I think that towards late nineties, I
26:53
cannot think of any men. I think of women. All right, folks,
26:57
we're gonna wrap up this episode of Glenn Maxwell's time
27:00
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27:02
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27:05
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27:12
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
27:15
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
27:18
the Glen Maxwell transcripts, or as I like to call it,
27:22
her ted talk with Todd Blanche. Blanche, did you, well
27:27
you talk about entourage flying right now, we're talking about
27:30
the island. Did you observe any sexual I was gonna
27:33
say misconduct, but any sexual any sex at all, whatsoever
27:37
on the plane? Maxwell? Never on the plane, no, Blanche.
27:41
Was there a part of the plane that was closed
27:44
off from others where mister Epstein could go and get
27:47
a massage or whatever? Maxwell? Yeah, okay, so that's a
27:50
good question. So there were two planes, so you had
27:53
the Gulf Stream and that's open plane. So anything, I mean,
27:57
there was a sofa that turned into a bed, and
27:59
he did on that and then but in the boeing
28:02
which he flew on a lot, his area could be
28:05
closed off with a door, and behind that door there
28:08
would be there was a bedroom and an office. So
28:11
if that door was shut, you wouldn't see it, Blanche.
28:14
But so if you never so, but you never observed
28:18
mister Epstein engaging in sex or getting a massage with
28:21
somebody with whether the messuse was not clothed on the plane, Maxwell,
28:26
I can't say that I might have, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
28:30
I definitely might either both in the gulf stream or Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
28:35
I'm sure I did, but it's not I can't Blanche. No, No,
28:39
that's fair, Maxwell, Okay, I'm absolutely sure I did. I
28:42
must have, because you know, he was so obsessed with
28:45
someone rubbing his feet or just when you ask me
28:48
about massages, I want to be clear. I generally think
28:52
of that as somebody on a massage table, but other
28:55
people might think of it as something different. You know,
28:58
you could have someone rubbing his feet or shoulder. I
29:01
saw that all the time that I did, but that's
29:03
separate from being on a massage table. A massage is
29:06
a massage Glenn Maxwell, stop parsing words, Blanche again. I
29:12
know we're talking about a decade long period. But during
29:15
the period we're talking about, in a seven day week,
29:17
how often would you see mister Epstein get a massage?
29:21
In the nineties when we're talking, he would get one
29:23
every day. I think as the time progressed, he would
29:27
get one maybe twice a day. I do want to
29:30
say that there was maybe a reason that things altered
29:33
or more if they're progressed, and it is maybe part
29:36
of the reason also that he and I our relationship.
29:40
Somebody wants to call it altered. He started doing testosterone
29:44
and it altered his character. And I believe that started
29:47
in the late nineties. And I believe that the FBI
29:50
has his medical records, and you may see that on
29:53
his medical records. Yes, Blanche, So you believe that he
29:57
started taking testosterone in the nineties. And when you say
30:00
that altered his behavior, you're saying it made him get
30:03
more massages, or that he was just one part of
30:06
what changed about him. Maxwell, Well, he became more aggressive, Blanche,
30:11
I see Maxwell, and I think that maybe, well, now
30:15
I'm just imagining that the testosterone altered his desires or something, Blanche.
30:21
And so when given what you've said in the past
30:24
couple hours about his kind of progression or change, let's
30:27
focus on that time period. So that's more towards the
30:30
late nineties Maxwell the testosterone. Yeah, okay, Blanche, So ninety six,
30:35
ninety seven, ninety eight, you know, towards Maxwell cuts him off. Yeah,
30:40
Blanche cuts her off. When you've said that he changed,
30:43
did you know flat out that he was having sex
30:46
or otherwise some sort of sexual contact with messuses regularly.
30:50
Maxwell flatly out No. I denied that I couldn't imagine
30:55
that he would, but I think looking back now that
30:58
I did not. But I started to suspect that he
31:02
was not faithful. Seems ludicrous, but that's what I thought. Oh,
31:06
poor Glaine Maxwell, the victim. Anyone who buys this once
31:11
again is a complete and utter moron, Blanche. But look,
31:17
if he's flying from Palm Beach to Saint Thomas, or
31:20
if he's flying all over the country to New Mexico
31:23
or in New York, or even in Palm Beach, and
31:25
there's young women putting aside, whether they are under age
31:28
eighteen or in their twenties. Every day at the house,
31:31
multiple messuses, multiple massages on some days, you're interacting with
31:36
the messuses constantly. Maxwell, huh, Blanche. Or maybe that's not right, Maxwell,
31:41
that's not right, Blanche. Let me take back what I
31:44
just said. Ignore that part, of course, Ignore that part
31:47
because it doesn't help Maxwell. Blanche, but you understand that
31:51
he's getting massages every day, sometimes multiple times a day
31:55
by the late nineties. It's all women. Presumably some of
31:58
them are new, but they're all repeat messuses. I mean,
32:02
you had to know at that point that there was
32:04
something going on beyond just he really needed to get
32:07
a massage. Maxwell. Okay, so very fair question. There's two things.
32:12
The first is the person that he saw the most
32:15
at that period of time was in her forties Blanche.
32:19
Uh huh, Maxwell, And she was with them all the time.
32:22
And I'm like married as well, Blanche. Yeah, And as
32:26
I'm square, and it never occurred, well, I don't believe
32:29
it occurred to me at the time that with this
32:32
woman he would be having relations. She's square. How about
32:36
the sex games? Maxwell, Yo, she's doing nothing but lying here,
32:40
And the fact that Todd Blanche is allowing it tells
32:42
us everything we need to know about the motivations of
32:45
him and the Trump administration, and he was with her.
32:49
That was the person he had the most massages yoga
32:53
with at the time, in the nineties period. The second
32:56
thing is that he told me he had difficulty having
32:59
an erection, and I believed him, Blanche, when you said
33:02
he said that, you mean he regularly told you that,
33:06
Maxwell when I first because when I didn't have sex
33:09
with him after the first time, so I asked him
33:13
was it me? And he told me it was him.
33:15
And I have never up until this moment in my
33:18
life as if I'm not stupid, I'm very bright. I've
33:22
had an excellent education, but I have never met or
33:25
understood that somebody could be would lie to me. It
33:29
never occurred to me. Oh yeah, No, nobody ever lies
33:31
to you, Glenn Maxwell. That's because you're busy doing all
33:35
the lying like you're doing right now. I didn't have
33:38
a frame of context within my life experience where somebody
33:41
would be so manipulative and devious with me. And plus
33:46
I just didn't have and I was happy not to
33:48
have sex because I have a condition that doesn't lend
33:51
itself to that. Oh everybody has a condition, huh. Epstein's
33:54
Pecker doesn't work. Prince Andrew doesn't sweat, Glenn Maxwell has
33:59
some shoes downstairs. She doesn't like sex. All of this
34:03
is a big mistake, Blanche. But when you learned so
34:06
fast forward just for a moment to the two thousand
34:09
and seven eight nine time period, and he's arrested and
34:12
charged and there's all kinds of press around his purported contact.
34:16
At that point, at that point, did you accept that
34:19
it was true? Meaning, did it make sense at that
34:21
point when you were reading about women who claim that
34:24
they had been abused even under age. At that point,
34:27
did you think to yourself, well, geez, that makes sense
34:29
now that I think about it, or no? Maxwell, First
34:32
of all, that I only read what was in the newspapers.
34:36
I didn't have any other thing. And I'm embarrassed to
34:39
say it. I didn't believe it. She might have said
34:42
that in past tense, but she doesn't believe it now either, Blanche. Okay, right,
34:46
I mean you didn't believe that the accusations were true
34:49
at the time, Maxwell, No, Blanche, So yeah, let's Maxwell
34:54
cuts him off, and sorry, I need to say, even
34:56
if they were true, I believe that he was duped
34:59
and he didn't know that they were whatever that was
35:01
in the papers at the time, whether they said that
35:04
they were seventeen or it didn't register. Because to that,
35:08
Blanche cuts her off. Yeah, Maxwell, along with all those well,
35:12
not in two thousand and six, but later when the
35:14
more salacious and other allegations came out, I knew they
35:17
were utterly false, which then just reinforced my belief that
35:21
the rest was not true. This stupid fucking Scuffuza still
35:25
won't admit it. Jeffrey Epstein innocent, Glayn Maxwell innocent. Donald
35:32
Trump never knew Jeffrey Epstein, They never talked once. Prince Andrew,
35:36
Who's that? That's the kind of shit this lady's saying.
35:39
And your homiet Todd Blanche, But had Blanche is letting
35:43
her get away with it. This is not how a
35:45
deposition works. This is not a statement of fact. This
35:48
is a deposition where she should be challenged. But no,
35:53
that didn't happen, did it, Blanche. Let me ask you
35:56
a question about the age of messuses over the years.
35:59
I think, in my mind there's the difference between you
36:01
knowing or not knowing that a messus is under the
36:03
age of eighteen and coming to give a massage once again,
36:07
dumb ass, Todd, Blanche, do you really think that Jeffrey Epstein,
36:10
Rich asked, Jeffrey Epstein has to go and get girls
36:13
without massage therapist's licenses to give them massages. What he
36:17
can't afford a real one, He has to go and
36:19
get one from a girl that doesn't know what she's doing.
36:21
Why didn't you go to an agency to get these
36:23
massage therapists? Why were you out patrolling mar A Lago
36:27
and high schools for New Biles? In your own words,
36:30
Glenn Maxwell, Maxwell, I think it's better to answer this
36:35
question with corroborating evidence and then go back to explain
36:38
so that I frame Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, your understanding of
36:42
what I'm saying, or my understanding is that in two
36:45
thousand and let's say two thousand and eight, they had
36:48
interviewed forty four women, let's say, or around that number.
36:51
Blanche aha. Aha, that's your answer, Blanche auha. These were
36:55
girls from pom Beach High School and other high schools.
36:59
We're talking about two thousand and eight. Here, he doesn't
37:02
call her out on this, He doesn't say to her, well, listen,
37:04
you're a convicted felon, and what you're saying here is unacceptable.
37:09
You're not here to rewrite history. You're here to answer
37:11
my questions. Maxwell. You have to understand not a single
37:16
one of those forty four women mentioned in a single report.
37:18
And it's not because go back, they didn't mention me
37:21
in their report, because they never met me. They never
37:23
saw me, and they never interacted with me. So to
37:26
go back to your question, it's not that I thought
37:28
one way or the other. It's that I didn't see them. Blanche, Okay,
37:32
I see, Okay, Maxwell, does that Blanche? Yeah, No, that's helpful. Maxwell,
37:38
I'm not But when I say, not one, not single
37:42
one of those reports talked about me, And I just
37:46
want to clarify exactly because I'm obviously aware that one
37:50
of those girls is was one of the witnesses in
37:52
my trial, specifically redacted to use her own testimony so
37:56
that you don't have to Blanche, Yeah, here are my
37:59
point of view. It's better if it comes from her words,
38:02
and that's that way, there's no second guessing whether that's
38:05
what I'm saying. Redacted herself said that redacted recruitedor redacted
38:09
broader and redacted traineder those are Redacted's on words. Where
38:14
was I going with this, Blanche, that you were that
38:16
you didn't know? I mean, I assume you were saying Maxwell,
38:19
Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, Blanche, that's okay. I'm trying
38:22
to remember where I was. I can help you with that.
38:25
You're in fucking La La Land, certainly not in reality
38:27
with the rest of us. Blant, so, she says, testifies
38:31
that it was redacted that recruited her and trained her,
38:34
not you. So wait. Then her first FBI meeting, she
38:37
reports seeing a woman with short, dark hare at the house,
38:40
which then is used as evidence that that person was
38:43
myself but the maid lady who helped keep the house,
38:46
John Alessi's wife with an accent. I believe, she said.
38:49
Unlessi's wife had short, dark hair and an accent. I'm sorry,
38:52
but I find and you can ask yourself this. I mean,
38:55
I've obviously modified my accent. I've been in America a
38:59
long time, but I'm British. I've been brought up with
39:01
a very strong British accent, and I don't believe there's
39:04
an American on planet Earth that doesn't recognize this to
39:07
be a British or Australian maybe if you really don't know,
39:11
but it's not some random accent. Now the hispanic maybe. Okay,
39:15
that was John's wife that she saw, not me, And
39:18
I'd like to point out further potentially her own through
39:21
her own words, she identified. Marcus interrupts, why don't we Maxwell? Okay,
39:27
stop there and let him ask the question. Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche,
39:31
you're good. Maxwell, Okay. So it's just and look, I
39:36
want to try. I think probably tomorrow we will. I
39:39
want to talk more about the kind of evidence against
39:41
you and how to address that. What does that even mean?
39:44
She's convicted already. What they're trying to do, and I'm
39:48
convinced of it now, is give Glaine Maxwell and out here,
39:52
and in return for her giving this kind of testimony,
39:55
they're going to promote Glainne Maxwell. What I mean by
39:58
that is when this down a little bit, she's getting
40:01
that pardon. I have no doubt about it after reading
40:04
this transcript. Zero doubt in my mind, folks, zero doubt.
40:08
And my guess is she'll probably have a show on
40:11
Fox News or Newsmax shortly after, because you know, she's
40:14
the new Darling and all. All right, folks, I think
40:17
that's enough disgustingness for one episode, So we're gonna wrap
40:20
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
40:22
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
40:26
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