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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of Full Circle (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Knife. The Doctor Who commentary
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podcast. I didn't realize this episode
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was being started by a Dalek. That's not a Dalek, it is.
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I James breathe fancy, which was 10 funky facts about James Bree.
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Wish I could remember the key fact.
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Yeah, I can't remember why they were funky facts.
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It's probably because it was the 90s, but I remember me and my
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friend, Richard, absolutely howling at that because we loved
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James breed but I can't remember what they were or remember.
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One was the time every episode of the ball games was under
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running massively. So deaf people only asked James
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brings if you don't mind stretching and stretching Every
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single word. He said what a stupid fool you
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are. You never forget him, do you?
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You never do. Although, you know, it's so
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funny. When Mark, did it for two or
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two? Yeah, yes, Sarah absolutely fell
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about of that folders and Mark hated it.
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Oh, very straight states. That it comes to those who, you
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know? Well, I'm learning this.
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I mean, anyone who doesn't like the grown Williams era I Beast.
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Sorry Mom, it's not good in bed, though.
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I wouldn't know. Oh shit, heart.
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No, I'm not. No.
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Would you care to step in to episode 4 of or part for sorry,
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or full circle before. I do this, I have a question for
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you from. Who from freezer, who L Fraser,
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who else would ask us? Lots of questions.
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Others will be along when they vented do.
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He said this is some of the questions.
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He's also we've answered already but this is a really interesting
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one. Why do you think this story
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isn't held in higher regard? I think that's a really good
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point. Yes, because of this season
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offering, this would fall sort of mid to bottom of the pack,
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because the season is so strong. I feel so.
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So many memorable stories in it. You mean what I said at the
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beginning of this commentary. This story is very competent.
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Yes. Absolutely told very competently
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directed. Acted the works.
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Competent is not classic, is it? No, it's not outstanding.
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Although there are some outstanding moments overall,
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it's not Yeah, I think it's because it's it doesn't have a
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massive super villain. Like I don't Genesis of the
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Daleks knows. It doesn't have a, have a
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standout villain or a scary monster like seeds of do you
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know? Like it's all very good?
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Yes. But very good.
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Does it get noticed? See I wouldn't like if I was
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doing my top 100 and whatever is now 250 dog pose?
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This would probably hit somewhere in the middle.
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Okay. I think middle too.
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You just all edging towards the top half but probably somewhere
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around 100, you know, interesting isn't it?
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Because I always rate this season extra highly because I
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don't think he gets enough love. And I love genuinely, love all
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stories this year. And but if I was to put them in
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order which I don't think I could do because I love them all
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but for different reasons I don't know.
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Where any of this would come, I this would be in the top half of
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Doctor Who for me definitely and probably quite top top half but
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I do wonder whether that's a lot of nostalgia which is very
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difficult to get away from with Doctor Who because it's been
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such a big part of my life but actually is, One of the most.
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Averagely average stories there is.
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I don't know if it's just to well my needs to be.
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Yeah. But I know what you're saying.
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Is this one of the best mid-range story?
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Yes, yes, it's definitely. Yeah, if we were writing this
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though, in terms of wet bombs coming up and that's right in
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the top is the number one model we ever had.
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Yeah, but not have any more questions?
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Well, of course he does because it's Fraser a kind.
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And have you have another one? Should canine have been written
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out before this story and saved the humiliation of being reduced
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to a head on a stick, but it's great boy.
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You know what? It just makes some good points
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for ice, all right? Yeah, it too often.
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It's a tough one because I wouldn't I wouldn't want to lose
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any John Leeson performance because I'm glad he came back.
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But you're right. He's a bit of a cipher this
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year. Is a lie, is abuse terribly.
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But I'm really like the image of the master man having the head
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as a trophy, mmm, and carrying around on his stick.
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And you know, when he has his mental breakdown in Warriors
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gate, you know, yeah, attracting a warning warning.
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I love all of that stuff, especially when he gets kicked
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by the fellow from Ram. I wouldn't lose a story that I
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would not at all and he's had a he's had his hero moments in
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this story as well as getting his head knocked off.
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How could he ask you that question?
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I don't you said that tale of you've about having your
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fabulous canine on a string. You know, I think of six five
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six year old. So I heart right now.
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Imagine someone asking you that question of canine, leave the
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series Honestly. Okay, on that note, I get B and
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by a funky mind-controlling melon spider Exeter loading, a
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marsh man, I don't know one. Good person to Snug them.
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Just said, LOL award. I'll be there like, I sure don't
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wake her slogans I think you'd have to marry him.
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I'm gonna I'm going to Snug the marshmallow.
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Okay, I'm going to marry Logan because he said you don't know
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what he's going to be doing on you while you're asleep it.
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Come at me with a bloody scalpel.
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Is what exactly? Yeah.
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Okay, that's a we done. What does this set?
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What does setting this story in East Bay?
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San to it, if we covered that it has, yeah, sorry, Freddie, yeah,
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great deal with, I'm on it could be set in n space is good.
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Nick. Tell the same story, but it's
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more the bigger. It's, as we said in episode one,
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in some setting, the biggest scene, isn't it?
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It's the only one that's essentially space is or is gay?
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Yes, I well should we go into part that's going to Poll for
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Fraser. Thank you for the question.
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Thank you very much. I'm sure more will crop up.
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Are we observing? Enjoy your Toby.
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Yes right here we go with part 4 then it become with me now and I
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will. Okay, in five Clock chiming.
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Yeah, will you please play an Oscar?
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Okay. In 5 4, 3 2 1, come on Blu-ray
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and him go. You know, when somebody says
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something enough times, you start to believe it's true.
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I believe you have to do something 40 odd times for it to
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be true. Well, Frasier, I said that
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you've liked her mother's more than 40 times as start to think.
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Is true, is it true? Oh, it's not, it's him.
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Most This is phrase and then we did a commentary where he spent
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five episodes. Saying nice things about it.
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It's not about. I was very funny though.
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Oh here we go. Down the stairs let my name's
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lovely green. Boots up equally this is fashion
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watch. Just a hint of petticoat under
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the bottom of the skirt. That's nice.
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I mean a whore. What has happened to you?
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Petticoats indeed, I like that. Could I like Ramona's costume.
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So are we under running or over running?
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Because I can't tell if it's a long reprise on it's quite sure
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what actually, isn't it? Yeah, it's not.
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Yeah, because she's just about to open the doors so we're not
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she looks very Swift. You know what I'm absolutely
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going to say. I think Matthew what house gives
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his best performers is when he's alone with tombe.
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Yes. Because there he looked like he
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knew what he was doing in that same.
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He's yeah, it's such a weird Choice.
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I'll be asking Michelle. What is Miss fall outside?
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Of course it is. You know, when the Mist Falls
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say that's very of likes of ancient myths.
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It is yeah. And in the book, there's a whole
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poem about missed fall and something that's grown up as
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part of their mythology that they, they say to each other.
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Now, we've had the answer spell out to us now, but not in
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dialogue know she's been bitten by the spider which has taken
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her over. Yeah.
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Marshman of come inside, Starlight special, she's linked.
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So there's something that links, all those three.
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Yes. And it's not I don't think he's
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ever White spell out then adopted us.
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They say it's from Mars child. Yes but it's not either to
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marshman to see this panel on the wall here.
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Yeah that is part of the teleport control from The
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Liberator. ACA what it was when the consul
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was broken up. It's a little scratches after
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season 3. So he's pillaging its resources
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babies. Absolutely doing that.
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But go back to this, it's the relationship between Ramona.
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And the marshman isn't spelled out in dialogue.
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It's spelled out in action. Oh yeah, aah.
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Yeah. But literally the pieces have
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been put down. Yeah.
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So if you're a Savvy viewer, your Super PAC has bitten by the
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spider. She's got an affinity with the
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marshman, something links. Those three things together on
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those timeloss dying, I think they do based on deceit, hear
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really well. Yes, it's nice.
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What? Because it feels like there's a
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lot of marshman because you've got some attacking the Great
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Hall and the corridor, some in the and there are only six
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costumes, but because they're he's very cleverly putting them
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in different locations. Yeah.
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Like I was saying in the robots Dev commentary last night.
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I think the death of a based on deceit story is where you can
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leave the base. Yes.
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So, a lot of nice crowd stories. They head off into the
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Himalayas. Yeah.
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Or they go into Antarctica. Yeah, in the ice water and when
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viewed from the deep and if so free, they head back to the
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Tardis to do a few. They so it's not where our
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undersea in robots to death. You never leave the samurai not
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to the threats was there. And in this episode 4 we never
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leave the Starliner and because you've got Quite a number of
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extras for Doctor Who and you've seen them all the way through
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and it's the same face is cropping up.
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Yeah, when the violence comes to those people although you don't
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know them know them. You you recognize the people
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because you built the relationship up, do you think
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that need for had had to die? I've been that's quite sad.
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I love, that is love for these free useless Bunch going off in
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the style. Finest give up, but I think he
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probably does because I think Logan will be the person who
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leads them. Yeah, they set up.
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Yeah, it's been set up as that and he can't can't do that if
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need fraud is there. He's basically the rational one
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is. Yes I think what you've got here
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is, you've got the three from Carnival and monsters Avenue.
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Yoram is the skin cell count. Yeah, I pledge track is me Fred.
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And there is Alec Alec, is there?
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On even one know maybe Logan secretly.
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Yeah, take five over one up in the air.
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Oh uses canines, he doesn't well yeah, just to scare them away.
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I miss most about what must be a business from Tom.
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You know, what's really interesting as well, is in the
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Tom Baker years, and in the Blu-ray, behind the sofa sets
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where Tom is forced to watch his own time in the show.
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He's very complimentary of seasoning saying.
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How do you know he wasn't at the time?
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No. But he would find some the
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watching us behind surface is going.
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This is really good. I remember there was glad to see
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the cassette of that one. Yeah, measure hard, wasn't it?
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And always remember when he'd watched full circle and he says
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all sorry, I was just thinking how pretty long looked in that
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lovely little bit of affection. See, they're quite sad on that.
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Because Ty losses. Yes.
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Dead. Just Kira die, though.
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She cannot she survives. He called Massacre.
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All that. She'll know that would be just
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as good. But it is interesting how, you
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know, obviously he wasn't very complimentary about any of this
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at the time. No, because he was on the way
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out. Is ego was somewhere in the
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stratosphere and you know, he's generally behaving appallingly
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but in retrospect he can see the many strengths of this year.
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I love this lot of water, so that's swiping at it.
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What is so cat like is? Yeah.
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That's the way she hugs the Tardis.
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Yeah. Well recognized by the time, he
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Strokes it. Yeah, and she's just sort of
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touch me making it. It's a really interesting
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performance. It says she won't let any of
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them. She's near so far from lady at
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Astros and ye not loaded ra and I don't think so.
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Princess Astra Fair Princess Astro lady address.
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Oh my God. Doctor, Who I fear, we have not
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sure. We have nice.
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Oh, well, we can always drink. Oh yeah.
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They're trying to scour the books now.
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Yeah. How can we deal with this
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Invasion? Nothing it's like this is I
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swear to God this is a comment on politician.
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Absolutely yeah. It's just what do we do
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anything? That's precipitous that's going
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to I guess. This rampaging hordes of
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monsters will just stay here, shall we?
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But two stories later doing nothing is exactly what you had.
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That's really true. Isn't?
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It is and that's the way out. Yeah always fun are so
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interesting because I thought of Tom Baker's doctor doing nothing
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and that's what he says do nothing.
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Yeah he's really okay I'll varsha is going to go in the
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video. Let's look at him one last time
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because he's very pretty. He's going to sort of olive
18:05
colored skin. Yeah, some people are blessed
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with. Not me though.
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Hey there's a ghost. Look at that for women in the
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show. What finals?
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These four tries to climb? I have a club, so why is it one
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touch? Kills people, they just got like
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a toxic screen I'm guessing so. Oh, Bloody question marks.
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It's a really interesting watching this.
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What's not? I didn't notice them at all.
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I thought they were They were okay, but it's interesting
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watching this season with you could see where Tom's trying to
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hide them when he can attack them in, and also use be told no
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show them. Look at this.
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This is so cute. He seemed at your house of
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genuinely, giving some bloody eye cream, because he's next on
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biker. And yeah, I think when Davison
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comes in Matthew Weiss 10 things, he's the, it's not the
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lead of this show, and so he's a bit cocky and it.
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Doesn't suit him at all but where it seems to me.
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You can't steal the screen from Tom Baker because no one can but
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he can from Peter Davison, because he's a very generous
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actor and it don't work. All those things you've got to
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do is say, well Monarch is a marvelous frog is going to give
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us five schools. This is quite sweet, isn't it?
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When they feel like these things are quite poignant and the fact
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that his he gets a death line, which is a plot twist.
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We cannot return to Herod on because we have never been
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there. You could just wait.
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Deaf twist. Yes.
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A ago. I'm doing a flight for entirety
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thing here. They invented the exposition
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coma. Yeah space space, space things.
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Yeah and face reasons, face reasons, so we're going to say
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death twist. Yes.
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Or worse. Is that is when the deaf twist
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doesn't mean you ever when Lisa and try and do it.
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Exactly. Doesn't even get no.
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Answer to a simple question. He's got blood on his head.
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Yes, I'm But even there, right? Yeah, I normal another normal
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weight. He's director.
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Would just point it and shoot ya grimwade came in across the
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saying. Yeah, alstom, very slowly.
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I know I'm pointing out alive. Simple camera moves, but it's
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elevates. It didn't use it.
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Is simple ever move the camera. What's it was?
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Was there Peter muffin? It's it's just a little bit more
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interesting to look at than your average 80s Doctor, Who Yeah,
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they look at each other. Like what you mean?
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We never been there. Nothing.
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So who reveals the twist? That they are.
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They are the marshman Tom. The doctor does.
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Doesn't he? And a second?
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Yeah, this is where your ancestors.
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And you know, like we've got what sort of monsters rampaging
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around, but they're not the scariest monsters.
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And no no and there's no big showdown between the dirt around
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a villain. That's maybe that's why this
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because there isn't actually a villain.
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He's just someone doing his job. Yeah.
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And maybe because it is smarter than your average doctor.
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Yeah. Maybe that's it.
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Because it's not the usual stuff.
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People's over one sort of set piece.
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Here is sort of a bit of camporee.
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A big villain Showdown. You haven't had much of that
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really is it quite subtle this? Yeah, I think, I think that's it
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and subtle always gets lost and I think it probably could have
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been interminable with a Bad director.
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Yes. But because it's so well might.
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Yes, exactly. But if you compare this to the
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State of Decay where you have got big villains and you do get
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confrontations between the doctor and Alcorn and you have
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got a big finale. And it's a big, big deal.
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If I was going to my shelf, are you topic upstage?
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Oh hey you know all ready to feed our hunger was you will
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swarm you eyeing the resting place.
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I'm Walkin, welcome to my domain.
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I once worked in the Bureau of ancient Rome's, most favorite
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scene in the whole season. It's wonderful side.
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Me before. Yes.
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I suppose I am never really thought about it better for that
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door in my face. Oh, this shot of lalla Ward.
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Yeah. Backlit coming through the grill
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is Right. Marvelous.
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You look at blood here, she is terrified to finally get that
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Bloody Tom only thing that's scarier than Tom Baker in a
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mood. This is all the water.
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It's true. There's only one way to find
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out. Oh wow.
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That is goes nice. Graceful fall again.
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The deciders are now creeping through this ship with the two
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people that survived. And it's Logan.
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Who is in command. Yeah.
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I like you've got Vash and adric both using these fire.
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Extinguishers. Only one of them looks
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convincing with it fascists out Butch.
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Yeah, probably like a machine gun.
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Yeah. I think maybe Richard Willis is
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used to handling himself. Yeah.
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Have you what has happened at all when experienced?
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Yeah. Oh this period of s where she
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sits up and grins this. Useful.
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I'm Tom. That brings his beautiful smile
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as well, you could try Journal aircrew electrophoresis Always
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run to someone said that this scene demonstrates the
24:39
difference between season 18 and and 17 because you don't woken
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up and said something incredibly witty.
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Yes, he's in 17. Yeah.
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And yeah. And 18.
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She's got a bit of technobabble what she said in the season 7.
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I don't know why she has so much great.
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You despicable worm. Listen, the power complex.
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Well, that fits you may be watching this stuff, too.
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I'll sacrifice. And then you've got a character
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on there is, isn't there yet? It's all here, Vicky when this
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season. And well, yes, we'll need a
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drink. Well, I think, maybe Lot of
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excitement, your Father's Farm was hardly the are back.
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My dear not reach this far. Why you are not Aaron will come
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and rescue us 1980s? Aren't Vanessa no night errands?
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I love her so much. I love the most.
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It's we're taking comes out, goes in.
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She goes, oh, she's gone again reminds me of calf from
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Catherine. Kim.
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I still think we missed a trick. Not having RT.
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Vanessa, as a companion. You know, she'd alive would have
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loved her. Would she laugh and uptime
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flight? Wasn't she a bit?
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What the yellows joint? One poops.
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I'll know if I die. Don't worry.
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You've got a beautiful future ahead with Kate Amara.
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Yeah, you're going to be all right.
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What a pretty couple. They must have been other
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pictures of the time together must be somewhere.
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Oh God. Look at all the way.
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Oh, did you see how nice He's trying his hand in terms of a
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script, this is very well done. Let's just Matthew what house?
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That's the side down a bit She was just sort of sits there
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looking a bit. Yeah, he's You think the doctor
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would come for him? Yeah, but Tom's doctor isn't A
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comforter. Is he always because that bit in
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the gospel is where he where he's thinking, I'm sorry, I'm so
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sorry and Pat's her on the shoulder and then walks off,
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then the Lord scarman in. Yeah.
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Well as a market anything from our told him not to.
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Yeah. So to get any remark of comfort
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from him is something and something.
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The Davison does a lot better. Yes, and that Colin does really
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well as well. Yes, surprisingly just let him
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go. Come on that faster.
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That's it. Maybe that's why it's the
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learning. They learn to let themselves out
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that the climax of this story is the plot.
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The last piece of the jigsaw puzzle.
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Yeah. In together instead of like a
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big dramatic set piece. Yeah.
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And this is literally just a conversation.
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Yeah. So maybe that's it.
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That's it's very good. And this is Tom Sowell, they'll
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come in and they'll learn how to put it back together again.
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Say your ancestors. That's the climax.
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That's it. That's and that's where where
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they realized that they that's why we can't return to Terra
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Don. I was hilarious if the big it's
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going. Well, it does require some
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faults and we think oh, they're not optimistic ending with the
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lovely music. Yeah, ships going up.
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And so, but you could just imagine the conversations
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between the two of them. Yeah.
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Well should we press the button? Do we have the right?
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Yeah, how quickly your phone against the appraisal came out
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as with anything else. You never know, you know, I can
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keep talking about Logan's, but there is one one story, but
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maybe one more question, but maybe we'll do that at the end,
28:56
okay. It did quite well, boys.
28:59
I did it as a very last minute. Yeah.
29:04
They learn to come in so that should be the ultimate reason as
29:07
to why they should go. Yes.
29:11
So, they're not going to evolve again, are they?
29:13
That's the end of The evolutionary that they've
29:16
reached the Pinnacle, which is, where is this useless bums gone
29:20
in a space, then they've taken off aware of the land.
29:24
Well, the ship is programmed to find a Planet where they can
29:28
live because it's a colony ship. So that's what it says he says
29:33
this. Now they picked up a signal, you
29:35
know, come to Utopia. I'll stay win.
29:39
Haha, to the phone Nassif. Land on the vampire plan.
29:42
Exactly the upper side of it because obviously.
29:49
All right, you got that can travel in time and space.
29:51
No, the car? No, I don't think so.
29:53
It's like, well, if anyone's in the future and they're like, all
29:55
we've had this, this cost you will see is also one of the
29:58
tidal streams or they've all been drained of blood.
30:03
All this is really cute, huh? He's right on those, you know,
30:10
just press those few buttons there.
30:12
There you go. Off, you go and Tom and Lana
30:16
striding off in a minute together.
30:17
Both in burgundy, it's your pink instead, look at that, you'll
30:21
find they're just brilliant together.
30:25
Green button, gentlemen, that must be the bit of Tom business.
30:31
I'll kind of a genocidal policies in Parliament, you
30:34
know, like, right, we've got our do this with and so as this but
30:37
it does require some support, just do nothing.
30:43
What have a few meetings about me Parts first?
30:45
You know, decide when the first meeting is going to be okay,
30:51
there we go. The greatest team back together
30:54
have? Well, we able we don't realize
30:56
yet. Do we know he stuck a ways
30:58
inside remote better? Exactly.
31:00
She's gonna get a terrible shock when she goes to bed.
31:08
Loot, he stole that. So this is the last gasp of the
31:15
three of them. Isn't it?
31:16
Because I really well, I've always it's after this.
31:19
Yeah, one. I've got those nice things at
31:21
the start of State of Decay, when they're in the console
31:24
room. And I'll know, I actually know
31:26
that is their last God. Yeah, we're not a technical,
31:32
you've got it doctor. What's the technical Africa?
31:35
Africa? Don't know.
31:36
Would you say it's only Rococo? No, I won't look.
31:47
Absolutely, I'm not looking at, all right.
31:55
I always find this quite an optimistic ending though.
31:57
Yeah. Like the ships are taking off.
31:59
We're going to the way home gloomy looking out at the
32:02
scanner. For the first time in ages, are
32:16
actual commentary where we talked about Staffing, the
32:18
student out quite a lot that I think, maybe because we're
32:21
sitting on your sofa. Yes, maybe there.
32:23
But yeah, that might be it. Imagine we've got pizza and beer
32:26
around us, all right, no pizza for me, I had the beer cheese.
32:33
Okay, so what's first? Okay, he's a rank.
32:35
This story with the rest of pizza.
32:37
Grim, weights all because that's, that's a really hard one
32:42
because he's got lakopolous. He's got Kinder.
32:47
He's got her shot and he's got this hang on, though, because
32:50
he's of no specifics. I'm not.
32:52
Is he saying we've got a rank them in the direction of those
32:55
stories or the stories overall. Well, he just says rank this
32:59
story with the rest of pizza. Grim weights.
33:02
So I figure, let's answer it from a Direction.
33:05
Point of view. Okay.
33:07
In terms of Direction. Hmm, I'd say Earth.
33:10
Shock is probably his best Direction.
33:13
Yeah it's certainly the pieces to this far side.
33:16
Yeah and that I think the last episode has a hundred senior mix
33:21
so I'd like that and to do that in there BBC Studio at the time.
33:25
So productive cameras. So I say of shock I probably say
33:32
kindda I'm going in reverse Yeah.
33:35
Populist full circle but they were all good.
33:38
Yes. Candice directions.
33:42
So it's so unusual. Yeah, I think because you've got
33:48
those surreal scenes like the bit leading up to the end of pot
33:52
Brie with the clock's ticking and all of that.
33:55
And that's astonishing this direction that that's a
33:58
cliffhanger that should work. Yeah, really does.
34:01
And he convinced he gets in the right actors?
34:05
Yeah, to convince like Hindu of his breakdown.
34:09
And also I think the Cliffhanger that spot to where they're going
34:13
to open the box, and that is incredibly changed with our
34:17
good. No, that's that's just someone
34:18
opening a box. But but then I think about those
34:21
things with a Watcher in lakopolous.
34:23
Yeah. And the location working this.
34:25
Yeah. That's seen in part 1 of
34:28
lakopolous. Where Tom comes up the Tardis
34:30
and sees the water for the first time I think is one of the most
34:34
often brilliant Doctor Who sings ever, because it's all done
34:37
with. No dialogue is all done.
34:39
With Tom's acting and the moment he sees the Watcher and he
34:43
suddenly goes almost gray. Yeah.
34:46
And he's he's tired and defeated Suddenly by just by and that
34:52
image of The Watcher from across the road, just standing there
34:57
was again, really unsettling image of my childhood.
35:02
I have been some this up. Okay.
35:04
Well they're all gray in different ways.
35:08
Yeah, he might be a complete Nutter to work with.
35:13
But he was a van, tastic director.
35:15
Yes. And I said, earlier, doctor who
35:17
lost something, when it lost him, I saw Ian Levine given
35:20
interview ones where he said that, you know what, he might
35:23
have pissed off the cast, but he did right by the show and it's
35:27
true. It's absolutely true.
35:29
Absolutely right. Well, sigh.
35:32
Okay, I'm gonna do all things that we reasons.
35:36
I've got 40 reasons, probably, okay.
35:40
Start us off. All right, I'm going Going to go
35:43
with lot of boards because she doesn't get masses to do in this
35:51
story, really, but she becomes absolutely Central to it.
35:56
And those have phenomenal scream, her wonderful
36:02
world-weary. Absolutely sad scene at the
36:06
start, with Tom isn't is a pivotal moment in this season
36:13
where she doesn't want to go, but they've got to do what's
36:17
right and the whole possessed acting I think is some of the
36:21
best I gr P NG is probably the best possessed acting of any
36:27
companion ever and there's plenty of it.
36:30
Yeah, there's loads more. He like, yeah, well, maybe I
36:34
actually met maybe it's Janet Fielding actually in snake.
36:37
Dance is but what she does. Wordless Lee is wonderful.
36:46
I am going to say the location work in episodes. 1 & 2.
36:50
Yeah, which I think. So, I had to My session with
36:53
Guerra Russell and day of the doubts about The Tomorrow.
36:56
People. Yeah.
36:57
And he said that, he thought that the location work in The
37:00
Tomorrow, People is the best sort of location work.
37:03
He's ever seen on television. I don't think that's at all,
37:07
true, but I do think some of the best location work I can
37:11
remember seeing on television in sort of the 70s 80s is in season
37:17
18. Yeah, I think the location
37:19
working full circle and in-state and I'm lakopolous is all black,
37:27
top tier and Brighton Beach and broad-based very very quick.
37:33
But yeah. So I'm going to say the location
37:36
work because it's not just like, a camera going on location.
37:41
He's dressed it. He's literally and he's chosen
37:45
to shoot it in an exciting way. Yeah.
37:48
No, it is really good. Is a nice use of a location that
37:51
they come back to quite a lot of Over the next few years, but it
37:55
always always looks good. Okay.
37:59
My second one because I'm predictable is Tom Baker, okay?
38:03
Because they're the one of those questions that comes up on
38:08
Twitter, is what's the hill? You will die on.
38:11
And I always say the hill, I will die on.
38:13
Is that Tom Baker is on fire in season 18 and it never ever gets
38:20
enough recognition. He Is doing really interesting
38:25
and different stuff with the doctor for the first time in a
38:28
long time. He is not coasting.
38:30
I'm, although is acting against us although I was not pointed
38:34
out when we did nightmare of Eden.
38:36
I don't think he's coasting through a lot of season 17 in
38:39
the way that people think he is. But this year, he's had his
38:43
buttons pressed and she's got to do as he's told, but it makes
38:48
his doctor really. There's some fire in his belly
38:51
and there's some some really interesting Trusting choices and
38:55
I think for me and this might be a lot of nostalgia as well.
38:59
I've been the definitive fourth doctor is seen through season 18
39:03
because you've got all the different aspects of his doctor
39:06
all in. Yeah, it's very funny and they
39:09
gloss very and stay Decay. Yep.
39:11
And he's like, he's surprisingly funny in the Leisure Hive which
39:15
no one ever picks up on or a scarf then.
39:17
Yeah. But also, you've got the root
39:20
that do me grave moments as well.
39:24
You've got the Ferocious anger of this performance.
39:27
You got them the beaten down and tired doctor at the end, and
39:34
it's a real. I could you've got every aspect
39:36
of his daughter. I think he gives his last really
39:38
funny. Operatic performance in State of
39:40
Decay. That's very much like his
39:42
season. 17 doctor only slightly, less witty makes be charming and
39:47
keep her trial. He is he's in a good mood,
39:49
Innkeeper of truck and he's enjoying working with Anthony
39:52
ainley, and Wanted in logopolis. Yeah, and that's something new
39:56
that we have seen in him. And at the very last babies
39:59
shown signs people look, I'm going with this, I can do this
40:03
and I don't think he ever gets enough credit for what he's
40:05
doing. It's always well, he's not doing
40:08
this and he's not doing that and he's hungover and he's tired.
40:11
And yet there are aspects that he's not well, but he's watching
40:16
throughout this story, he's, he's world-weary at the start
40:20
but he's got the fire in his belly by part 2.
40:23
He's there and once he's got the mystery and he's repairing the
40:28
Tardis and he's grinning and he's yeah, it's great.
40:31
He's right. Great stuff.
40:32
Okay. I'm going to try be less
40:35
predictable then and not say all of the mail flashes on this, but
40:41
I am going to say, I'm going to say that it was very bold to
40:50
structure. A story in an unconventional.
40:53
N tional way. Yeah, the big hitting moments
40:58
are twists in the plot rather than set pieces and sort of big
41:04
moments of drama. And to go back to phrases
41:08
question. I think that might be why this
41:09
one slips under the radar a little bit, but I really admire
41:14
it do it taking that very intelligent course and and doing
41:19
something. They're little less
41:20
melodramatic. Yeah, I had a little smarter and
41:24
good stuff. Okay.
41:25
And my final choice is Paddy Kingsland because this is a
41:30
hugely memorable school. For me, I think because I had
41:34
this I had this story on The music really stood out.
41:38
And I think this is what settled my love of Doctor, Who music was
41:41
listening to the different passages in this.
41:44
So that little thing. You've got the Tardis spinning
41:46
in space did a little due to the dentist is great.
41:53
And you've got the most stay in your lane.
41:55
All right, that's my job. But you've got the marshman that
41:58
you've got the deciders being dumb.
42:00
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb dumb.
42:10
He's coming in, he's just writing is it's very theme heavy
42:14
so you know who you are and way who you're seeing and where they
42:18
are, but it's great and it's the first of a long run for it
42:24
because every school bipedal kingdom is really brilliant but
42:27
he will hone this in Coppola. Something particularly is
42:33
probably his best. But I love this music.
42:36
I cannot argue with any of your free things, my last thing then
42:41
is going to be I'm gonna say Richard Willis.
42:49
Okay Paul. Yeah.
42:51
Who absolutely should have been a jerk.
42:53
Yeah. But then imagine Matthew what
42:57
houses are shy mean. Jesus Christ who I think is very
43:02
convincing in the wrong. Yeah, smoking hot.
43:06
He is so sorry boy and I don't feel sad because of Matthew.
43:12
Waterhouse acting went viral Stars.
43:14
Know I feel sad because I like far, she's a character Her and I
43:18
think that group of kids, it's three, not very good actors and
43:25
one really good actor and he kind of Salvage is a lot of
43:29
those seen. Yes.
43:30
So Richard Willis, good luck, the fascinating.
43:33
New fact, I learned about him and Kate and yeah, there we go.
43:36
You're gonna have to investigate that now, kids don't things.
43:39
That will sigh where we go next? Well, okay, Okay, I'm going to
43:47
throw something at you now. Go on actually no, no, I'm not
43:51
going to throw something. Literally at you.
43:54
Let's go back. 10 years. Ten years from this story.
43:58
No no no, let's go back 10 years from now.
44:02
Okay. And let's do the Day of the
44:04
Doctor or because I'm ready for a big hitter.
44:10
Okay, are you ready to take that on?
44:13
I absolutely am ready to say. Okay.
44:15
Okay, I'm surprised. No one's know.
44:17
That is snap that one. Have they?
44:21
You're on? Okay, you and me or you me and
44:23
Fraser? I don't know.
44:26
I might be back up. Or talk to him.
44:29
We will then enable a doctors in one story, three of us had 13
44:33
hamsters. In one story could be amazing.
44:36
Could be, could be okay but that anyone starts making jokes about
44:40
sizes of Sonic screwdrivers and all that out of it, right?
44:44
This is a family podcast. You didn't expect that.
44:50
Did you normally? I'll say thank you for your
44:53
time. Yeah.
44:55
Thank you very much for coming to my house and recording a
44:57
hamster. You're so welcome.
44:59
Thank you very much for treat me like a prince, my pleasure.
44:58
You're so welcome. Thank you very much for treat me
45:01
like a prince, my pleasure.