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Capitulo 001: Loca Epistemologies · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and bullshit radio phonic
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  Speaker 1: novella local Radio hosted by Malamuno Loca Pistemologies. Yes, we're recording.
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  Speaker 1: We are live. Hello, Welcome to Locata Radio. I am
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  Speaker 1: theos f M and I'm Malamunos. Welcome. Thanks for tuning in.
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  Speaker 1: So we're just gonna start today with a little background
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  Speaker 1: of or an introduction of who we are, UM, what
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  Speaker 1: this podcast is about, and thanks for tuning in. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is so this is our first recording,
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  Speaker 1: our first episode for local radio. Yes, so do you
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  Speaker 1: want to Mala? Do you want to start with talking
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  Speaker 1: about who you are what you're about? Yes? Thank you. So.
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  Speaker 1: UM I'm malam Yos and I'm an l A Native.
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  Speaker 1: I am a rape crisis counselor advocate. UM, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: crisis counselor. UM, I'm Adan Sante. Um, I'm a looka.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a crazy bitch. I'm an activist, a feminist, and
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  Speaker 1: I also UM I write. I write about women of
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  Speaker 1: color artists, especially women who are working in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 1: Las Rene right of Southern California. So I've written for
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  Speaker 1: UM the Vibe Viva section for Vibe magazine online, and
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  Speaker 1: I've written about um Yes, which is a wonderful friend
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  Speaker 1: of ours, incredible move head, incredible chinna activist, poet. I've
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  Speaker 1: written about Monica kim Garza UM incredible painter. And then
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  Speaker 1: I did a feature on sand Juan Um, amazing muralist,
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  Speaker 1: UH street artist and entrepreneur. So that's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about who I am. So, uh Yosa, can you introduce
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  Speaker 1: yourself to our listeners and let the world know who
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  Speaker 1: you are? So? I am a queer firm, queer high
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  Speaker 1: firm from Southeast l A. I'm a community organizer in
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  Speaker 1: the South Bay. UM. I work for a nonprofit. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I love makeup, I love tattoos, anything that's like fem centered,
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  Speaker 1: our music, UM, and definitely intersectional feminism and activism, which
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  Speaker 1: is actually what brought us together, one of the many
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  Speaker 1: things that brought us together. UM. I'm also here for
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  Speaker 1: like nonlinear healing, you know, I feel like that is
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  Speaker 1: so prominent in our communities right now. It's like the
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  Speaker 1: communities I'm involved in. UM. That is like the talk
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  Speaker 1: right like healing and like being brus kind of like
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  Speaker 1: reclaiming all these terms, you know, and being like in
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  Speaker 1: tune or repairing these like lost connections to like we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this the other day, to like indigenous spirituality,
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  Speaker 1: like Afro Indigenous spirituality. UM from our different like Latinum
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  Speaker 1: Akin and US Latino context, how we like retain different things.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so I think that all that all has
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  Speaker 1: to do with that what you're talking about nonlinear healing. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I love like I feel like I'm involved
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of different things in l a UM,
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  Speaker 1: one of them being UM shot Me Viva. So I
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  Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to shot Me Viva.
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  Speaker 1: We're actually recording here UM at the shop. So they
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  Speaker 1: are on Highland Park. Um, they're in Highland Park on
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  Speaker 1: York and Avenue fifty two. I think you should definitely
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  Speaker 1: check them out if you're not in the area, it's
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  Speaker 1: worth the drive. You can order from them online. UM,
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  Speaker 1: so quick shout out to knowed dom in Adrianna from
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  Speaker 1: the shop for letting us use this space. UM, I
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  Speaker 1: love it. They're like so about community events and community work.
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  Speaker 1: They you brought up yes and two weeks ago the
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  Speaker 1: two three weeks ago they actually had a chink on
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  Speaker 1: a fire event here at shot Me Viva, which is
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  Speaker 1: so dope. Um, and they also participate in the monthly
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  Speaker 1: Northeast l A art Walk, So shout out to shop
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  Speaker 1: me Vida follow them on Instagram. They're super dope. You
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  Speaker 1: will not regret it. And the shop itself is just
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  Speaker 1: so dope. Like it's such a cool space, Like you
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  Speaker 1: walk in and your eyes immediately like drawn in all
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  Speaker 1: these different directions, all the art, the chin esthetics. I
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  Speaker 1: love it. It's just I feel like I'm getting my
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  Speaker 1: life completely like in many different ways. Yes, definitely, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll be recording from here more often. M Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this hopefully can be like our hub before. Yes. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about our name now local radio. Officially
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  Speaker 1: we are local Radio Mommies of myth and bullshit. So
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  Speaker 1: let's can you tell me a little bit about where
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  Speaker 1: that came from? What inspired it? Yeah, So I think
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  Speaker 1: part of it was like we were looking for a
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  Speaker 1: name and identity that really was intersectional and that it
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  Speaker 1: really just spoke to like experience, I think, um, in
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  Speaker 1: like an honest way. And so we were honestly just
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  Speaker 1: doing like word searches and trying to get inspired by like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what are some phrases like in Spanish that are like
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  Speaker 1: really well known that we could flip a phrase right
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  Speaker 1: and then people will understand that the the origin. And
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  Speaker 1: we were just like throwing out like okay, these are
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  Speaker 1: words that I like, these are words that sound interesting,
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  Speaker 1: getting our juices flowing. And then okay, look right is
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  Speaker 1: a radio host and and just thinking about us and
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  Speaker 1: what we talk about and this idea of nonlinear healing, Well,
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  Speaker 1: what are we healing from? Right? Like this ridiculous like
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  Speaker 1: like like oppressive in a lot of ways, like complicated
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  Speaker 1: world that we live in, and it's like a crazy
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  Speaker 1: making deem does look us does look as constantly for anything,
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  Speaker 1: for everything. So it just made sense to Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we're a couple of lookers on the radio, look at
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  Speaker 1: a radio. There we go at the end, um, I
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  Speaker 1: think something that you and I have we kind of
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  Speaker 1: came up with a definition for like what is alka,
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  Speaker 1: right said a looka as anybody who does not conform
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  Speaker 1: to what is expected of her absolutely and in like
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  Speaker 1: a Latino context. I think loca has its own kind
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  Speaker 1: of connotation and origins that is different and separate from
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  Speaker 1: the term crazy in English. I think that the way
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  Speaker 1: that the term loca is ascribed in like Latino communities
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  Speaker 1: and households has like it's specific because a loca could
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  Speaker 1: be like a term of endearment, like a good thing. Right,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a loca, you're you're that that woman that
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  Speaker 1: you don't give a yeah at the party's like dropping
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  Speaker 1: it drinking, doesn't give a funk, Like, yeah, that's a loca.
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  Speaker 1: You could just be living your life, getting your life,
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  Speaker 1: and it could be kind of you know, that's just
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  Speaker 1: that's just how you're living. But then the loca can
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  Speaker 1: also be like the girl who she's living her life
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  Speaker 1: differently than her grandmother lived her life. Right, she's the
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  Speaker 1: look as she's crazy, or the survivor, right, the survivor
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  Speaker 1: of sexual violence of domestic violence often has that that
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  Speaker 1: label that she's she's she's loca. She made she made
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  Speaker 1: it up. You know you can't believe her. Um. So
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  Speaker 1: I think just like because we exist in this environment
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  Speaker 1: that like we're expected to act normally, but then we're
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  Speaker 1: living in like sometimes really ridiculous conditions, that's crazy making
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  Speaker 1: that's look I'm making right there. That's so like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think what you're saying to about like not believing
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  Speaker 1: what the loca says like that, it's so near and
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  Speaker 1: dear to my heart, being a survivor of many multiple
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  Speaker 1: layers of violence, right, Um, being a woman of color,
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  Speaker 1: I know we can both relate to what being a
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  Speaker 1: loca is and like how a lot of it is
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  Speaker 1: like crazy making. I love how you said that, um,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of it we were made to be
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  Speaker 1: crazy in a way, we're made to be a loca. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So I think first before we proceed, we definitely want
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  Speaker 1: to recognize that we are reclaiming the term loca. We
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  Speaker 1: understand it's historical violence, it's implications, um, and it's stigma
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  Speaker 1: with mental health. So by and no means are we
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  Speaker 1: trying to take away um from that. But for us,
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  Speaker 1: we're definitely it's personal, it's political reclaiming it, it's and
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  Speaker 1: it's I think it has a lot to do with
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  Speaker 1: survival and just owning that. Well. The the reality is
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  Speaker 1: is that you and I both in our own separate
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  Speaker 1: you know, worlds and communities and environments like have each
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  Speaker 1: dealt with, you know, mental health issues and concerns and
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  Speaker 1: growing up in environments where you know, not maybe not
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  Speaker 1: intentionally done, but you're faced with a lot of patriarchy
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  Speaker 1: and Machi's more right, and and and fat shaming and
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  Speaker 1: sledge shaming. So you know what does that create? That
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  Speaker 1: creates an environment where you have young girls who are
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  Speaker 1: now dealing with eating disorders for ten years at a time, right,
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  Speaker 1: and and who deal with anxiety and depression on and
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  Speaker 1: off and can't talk about it, can't talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: don't have anything to be depressed about, right, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have anything to be anxious about. Yeah, you're just being
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  Speaker 1: a Look at you're making it right, right? Right? So
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  Speaker 1: I reclaim that term because that is what I am,
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  Speaker 1: because I have dealt with these things, right, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be letting that word now have that negative
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  Speaker 1: weight to it. I would rather take that negative off
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  Speaker 1: of it and be like, Yeah, this is what I live,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I deal with, and this is who
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  Speaker 1: I am, and it's not my fault necessarily, but I
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  Speaker 1: have to make the best of it. Right. Um, that's
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  Speaker 1: a really good transition into this episode that we are
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  Speaker 1: calling local epistemology, right. So, uh, an epistemology is a
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  Speaker 1: is a way of learning, a way of knowing, a
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  Speaker 1: way of examining seeing the world. Um, and it's more
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  Speaker 1: than you know, a rhetoric, right. And I think the
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  Speaker 1: other reason why we did want to incorporate the idea
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  Speaker 1: of the loca or the woman who's rebelling or is
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  Speaker 1: acting against right, because this idea of like a local
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  Speaker 1: epistemology that we're talking about, I feel like it's super
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  Speaker 1: prominent throughout like our Latin American folklore. Right, So we
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of example, we talk about the virgin
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  Speaker 1: horre dichotomy a lot, but I think that in addition
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  Speaker 1: we can add another layer that there's also this kind
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  Speaker 1: of like mental health dichotomy too. So either your well
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  Speaker 1: behaved on the straight and narrow and you're on the
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  Speaker 1: virgin side of that dichotomy, or you're all you're on
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  Speaker 1: the horse side of that dichotomy. And that also can
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  Speaker 1: mean that you're also the loca. Right. So it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a swift transition too. For some of us were
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  Speaker 1: not allowed a gray area. Right, Either you're behaving and
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  Speaker 1: you're doing what is expected, or you're not. There's no
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  Speaker 1: in between. There's no in between. Yes, So I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about our subtitle, Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: Mommy's of myth and bullshit. So I guess patron saint
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  Speaker 1: of Chingas. And I'm also going to say patron Saint
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  Speaker 1: of Locas is santras Um and the mommy is of
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  Speaker 1: myth and bullshit. That is from her poem loose Woman. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Something that I love about Santracy Settle's and that she
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  Speaker 1: makes it so clear and all of her writing, in
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  Speaker 1: all of her interviews, is that she is a woman
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  Speaker 1: of her own. She said, like, I am nobody's mother
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  Speaker 1: and I'm nobody's wife, and that is her own way
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  Speaker 1: of being. Um So in many ways she can be
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  Speaker 1: considered a look up. Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that when we say local epistemology, so so this
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  Speaker 1: is somebody who fits in who has contributed to the epistemology,
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  Speaker 1: just like and sometimes are like our patron saints, right,
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  Speaker 1: our locals. Maybe they didn't contribute to the epistemology willingly,
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  Speaker 1: but they were thrown into it somehow. Like you think
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  Speaker 1: about maybe like Laurona, Right, that's a local who historically
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  Speaker 1: we hear about her as a Loca. Right, she is
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  Speaker 1: a tale that folklore that cautionary to tell us, like
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  Speaker 1: we're supposed to be afraid of her, right right. But
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  Speaker 1: it's like you know what situation was she put up
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  Speaker 1: against that drove her to behave the way that she did,
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  Speaker 1: that drove her to become this eternally sad woman, right,
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  Speaker 1: eternally like generation after generation, it was probably right, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pressure, a lot of layers of oppression, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of violence, a lot of depression. We can see
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  Speaker 1: that even with La Right and how she is in
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  Speaker 1: some community, she's glorified. In some communities she's like the ultimate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's La Loca. Also, um, there's there's so many historical
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  Speaker 1: layers and keeping in mind Right and keeping in mind
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  Speaker 1: that La Malie show, we have to unpack that legend
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  Speaker 1: around her and understand is there a survivor dynamic there? Also,
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  Speaker 1: because if you're talking about Mohet, an indigenous woman interacting
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  Speaker 1: with colonizers, there's a power differential there, you know, So
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  Speaker 1: what was she drove? What drove her to do what
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  Speaker 1: she did. It's so easy to just villainize her and
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  Speaker 1: say that she's the trader, as opposed to seeing her
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  Speaker 1: perhaps as a survivor of layers and layers of violence,
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  Speaker 1: of colonialism, of patriarchy, of this you know, this gender dichotomy.
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  Speaker 1: Um in in her story right, right, right, the race dichotomy,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many, so many, and she's not humanized at all.
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  Speaker 1: She's just a legend or she's a folklore. She's a
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  Speaker 1: figure in history that we just see her as a trader.
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  Speaker 1: She loca. Yeah. Absolutely. And then and then the woman
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  Speaker 1: who maybe into her, you know, getting older, reaching certain
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  Speaker 1: milestones where she's expected maybe to get married or to
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  Speaker 1: live with a man, or to start a family, she
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  Speaker 1: chooses not to, right. She um always talks about how
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  Speaker 1: she moved out of her father's house or moved out
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  Speaker 1: of her parents house. Um, she was not married. She
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  Speaker 1: left to go to the university, you know, her career,
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  Speaker 1: her art, and that that hasn't hadn't been done before. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And she I want to say she was the only
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  Speaker 1: girl in her family, like she only had brothers, like,
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  Speaker 1: but I do know that she was the first one
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  Speaker 1: to leave without being married. Right, And that is a
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  Speaker 1: thing that was a thing, and it's it's still a
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  Speaker 1: same thing. Oh yeah, there's still the expectation that And
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  Speaker 1: it's so interesting to me because I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 1: this a lot, Like in my brain, I've been going
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  Speaker 1: over this because it's the sort of double edged like
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  Speaker 1: issue and blessing right, because Okay, you're expected to stay
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  Speaker 1: home because that's what's done until you get married and
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  Speaker 1: then you leave the house. Right and I live with
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  Speaker 1: my entire family, were three generations right in one house,
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  Speaker 1: which I love. It's beautiful. It's a lot of love,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it's a lot because it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people. But I'm like, okay, this is the issue
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  Speaker 1: I think that we do that that we expect girls
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  Speaker 1: to stay home until they they are in the hands
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  Speaker 1: of another man, right until they get married, and then
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  Speaker 1: they kind of someone else will take care of someone
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  Speaker 1: else will take care of them. So there's that history
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  Speaker 1: behind that. Then there's this issue of well, we really
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  Speaker 1: can't afford to be renting all over the place because
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  Speaker 1: look at where we're at. You cannot live in l A. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's impass like unaffordable housing doesn't. And even even for
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  Speaker 1: people like us, like we have degrees, that's just degrees.
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  Speaker 1: I work a full time, I cannot move out. No,
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  Speaker 1: I can't move out. So it's also this like social
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  Speaker 1: and economic and racial pressure because think about where we live.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell can we stay home? Trying to have
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  Speaker 1: a sex life when you live at home. It's hard, right,
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  Speaker 1: So even like wanting to have like a healthy sex life,
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  Speaker 1: like you can't talk about it because there's so much
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  Speaker 1: shame in it, so much we like, we love sex,
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  Speaker 1: we love talking years old, like I am a wrong woman,
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  Speaker 1: should be expected that I have sex, right, um, But
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  Speaker 1: even just like wanting to talk about it that you
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  Speaker 1: don't talk about you don't to talk about sex with
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  Speaker 1: your mama, Yeah, exactly exactly, And so it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: this bind where it's like I want to live a
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  Speaker 1: full adult life. I feel that I should be able to,
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  Speaker 1: But does being with my family mean that I can't
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  Speaker 1: live a full adult life? Yeah, that I can really
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  Speaker 1: do what I want, right, And so I'm staying home,
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  Speaker 1: which is a blessing because I have somewhere to live
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  Speaker 1: gran like who holds it down? But it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: this like, Okay, I'm staying at home a because I
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  Speaker 1: want to, because I let my family be, because it's
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  Speaker 1: what's expected of all of us, right generation after generation,
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  Speaker 1: and see, because I can't afford anything else. So we
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  Speaker 1: do it as also like a survival you know, tactic,
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  Speaker 1: and and a safety measure as well. I feel safer
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  Speaker 1: if I'm around people that I know, right, that's just
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  Speaker 1: for me. That's my comfort is I can reach out
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  Speaker 1: to somebody absolutely, you know. So yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how we got into that topic we were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Because she left, she left, she left. That is okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but but it's interesting too because to be
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  Speaker 1: very honest with you, I really don't know any Latinos
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  Speaker 1: are like people of color that are from Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: that like don't live with their parents their family, and
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  Speaker 1: count on my hand how many people like don't live
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  Speaker 1: at home. It's it's not a lot. It's not a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a lot. I know a lot of white
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  Speaker 1: people my aim who started living on their own years ago,
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  Speaker 1: right and having their own apartments. But those people had
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  Speaker 1: lots of economic health a lot. They're not getting their
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  Speaker 1: own rent. Yeah, I don't know anyone that's like in
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  Speaker 1: their early to mid twenties even late twenties that live
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  Speaker 1: alone or you don't have roommates, like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that is very rare. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I was just in New York visiting my friends. Shout
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  Speaker 1: out Lorianne. Hey, hey girl, I was in New York
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  Speaker 1: visiting my friends from college and um, I want to
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  Speaker 1: shout all of them out, but we only have a
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  Speaker 1: you know, a certain number of minutes on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But over there too, all of my my friends who
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  Speaker 1: are women of color, who are Latinos, who are are black,
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  Speaker 1: who are you know, working, who have degrees, working full time,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody's over there five roommates, you know, in an apartment.
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  Speaker 1: That is not a way to live. That's not a
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  Speaker 1: way to live. But that's how we reality. That's our reality.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: That's how we have to live. It's a survival tactic.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: It's a survival tactic. But I think it's also a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing that we are able to live in community.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You know, Like, yes, you're like community rich, right, your
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: resource rich because of your community. Yeah, not because you
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: have these resources that like the city is funding, right
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: anything like that, But we're community rich or resource which
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: because of our community. As No, and even like in
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: speaking of community, we can talk about community online even
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: which is a big thing for us. That is a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: huge thing. Maybe we should like keep it limited because
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I know we want to say that Ford. Right, let's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: go back to our local pistemology. Um, and we have
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: some and this is going to be a recurring a
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: recurring segment loci pistemology. So maybe not every every couple
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: might not include a local ee pistemology. Um, we might
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: switch it out with a different um, some different content, right,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: a different segment um, but to kind of ground us
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in an idea, right or what isn't it? What is
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a local pistemology? Like Sandra is definitely one of the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: four mothers who kind of like contributed to the cannon,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I would say, yeah. And one thing that I love
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: about one of the many things I love about Sandra
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: is that she there there's not that many writers like her.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You know, she is a prolific writer. She um owns,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: but she she owns her craft, you know, and we
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: don't really have that many people that we can look
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: up to in that way, right right. I do love
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: how Like now on social media, I am seeing so
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: many like young like women of color, like poets and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: authors and like writers. And I am seeing a lot
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of Latinas, a lot of Afro Latinas, um, women of
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the African diaspora from a lot of different backgrounds really
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: creating literature like writing. Like I see like a generation
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: of writers and I think it's so dope, Like I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: love it because we always want to see, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: women of color thriving in every capacity, but especially in
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: those areas where like growing up, we were starving for more,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: striving for more, and we were only taught a certain
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: type of writer, right and having I think that's why
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a house, the house on Mango Street is I keep
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: it at work with me and so popular. Like no,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Santa Sinos has amazing work. So that is not like
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: her only book, you know. So you know, if you
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: want to read something else by Sunda Snidle's definitely pick
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: up something else, um, because that is not her only work,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but it's definitely like attributed as like her her really
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: big successful piece. And I think that was the first
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: time where she will she wanted to write about the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: house that looks like hers, right, and she's like, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: have never read about a house that looks like mine,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you know. Um. So I think that's what's so powerful
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: about it and what we can see with poets on
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Instagram or Twitter that they are actually creating, but they're
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: carving out space for women or for folks like them,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely and actually content that like speaks to like a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: very an actual reality for us like leave it to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: beaver is not reality and I'm not interested. There is
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: not reality. Also, Shakespeare talked about crazy making talk about
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: like like all the women in his place, like it's horrible.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I remember I went, Okay, I did study. I studied
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: abroad in London when I was in school, and I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was there for a year and it was a dope experience.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: When day we will talk about like traveling, we'll talk
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: about our travels and stuff. Um. But they took us
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to um the Globe theater right to go see Taming
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: of the True Okay, oh my gosh, I know. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: by the time, and to be very honest with you,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think I had ever read Taming of the Shrew.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, in high school they made us read Hamlet
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and all the other you know, everyone you had that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I had the cannon, right, the white ciss head patriarchal
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: cannon that everybody falls over themselves for Shakespeare and just
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: are very defensive of him. So I did not really
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: know what Taming of the Shrew was. By the end,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: everybody was like, oh my god, you know, fabulous theater, incredible.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I got out and I was there with my friend
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Lauria and with my homegirl, we thought I was like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Lauria and like what we just saw was so abusive,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like like he really the Taming of the Shrew basically
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like beating down, wearing down, grooming this bitch right who
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: was out of control, who was a look a right
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: in her a white look in her own right. You know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: shout out white look as you're out there. I know
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you are. I have a few of my favorite white
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: ladies out there. You know. We'll shout you guys out
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: one day, but not right now. It's brown girl. It's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: brown girl's time. Um, And that's that's what I wanted
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to do. We're keeping brown girl's time here. And look
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: at the radio, the brown girl our so um, I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: like Lorianne. He like just gaslighting the whole time, starving her,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: beating her essentially, you know. And by the end, the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: climax of the play is she's under control. Now he's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: beating her into submission mentally in every other way. I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: was like, this is abused, this is ship. I don't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: like this. I don't need this. It's so normalized. Yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: so I don't want to read that ship anymore. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: want to read Yes, So let's read. I'm going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: read a few of my favorite lines from Loose Woman. Perfect,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's get into it the beginning. You know.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read the first few lines because that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just really sets the tone of Loose Woman. They say
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a beast and feast on it, when all along
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I thought that's what a woman was. They say I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a bit or, which I've claimed the same and never winced.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: That's great. That is one of the most I think,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like we're talking about like Latina literature, like Chicina literature.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: That's some iconic ship right there. That is iconic, like legendary,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: which bitch, like all these things that we're trying to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: reclaim and that so many of our of the folks
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: in our in our communities are trying to do right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Another one that I really like is diamonds and pearls
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: tumble for my tongue, or toads and serpents, depending on
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the mood I'm in. Right, it's not all sweet and honey,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It's often it's not. We have our complexities and okay, okay,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I want to read this next line because I feel
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: like it ties in because our complexities I think, and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: when we stand up for ourselves and we try to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: speak truth to power and we say no and we
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: said boundaries, right, or when we're victimized, were met with
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of anger and hatred. Right. A lot of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: times we're like, like, if we're thinking about, like I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: always think, try to think from like a survivor centric,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a survivor focused like point of view. Right, that we
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: see so often that when women, especially women of color,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: especially trying gender women, especially black transgender women, right are
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: victims that abuse and that pain and and now we're
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: reaching out for help, is often met with more hatred
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and more oppression and more abuse. And we think about
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: like victim blaming. Right, So when we are being our
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: complex selves and standing up for ourselves, we often get
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that that backlash and this these lines in Loose Women
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: really speak to that. Right. The mob arrives with stones
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and sticks to maim and lame and do me in
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: all the same when I opened my mouth, they wobble
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: like gin. Right. So that's it right there, that we
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: get attacked so often for just trying to be our
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: authentic selves. Right, And this is anywhere, like, especially women
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of color, we are fucking harassed for living, for breathing,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: for existing, Like, it doesn't matter. You can be outside
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: on the street, you can be walking to work, you
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: can be in the can, you go into the store,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: or you can be on the fucking internet, and you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: will be harassed anywhere for saying your message, for existing,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: for first breathing, you know, and talk about crazy making.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, right, I work at a rape crisis center, right,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So I am dealing with violence against women and children
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: all day long, right, and trying to provide services and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: help and support and counseling and all that good, you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: vital stuff. So we're I'm doing that all day and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: my my female coworkers, right have we've all had the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: same experience. I step out the door and then I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: get cat called, right just the other day, and it
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: happens almost every week now at this point. That and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of young women, and it's a lot
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: of Latinos at work where I work, right, And so
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of foot traffic because it's in the city,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and so we're getting we're getting harassed on the street.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And then my entire job every day is dealing with abuse, right,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and answering to abuse right, and trying to clean up
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the mess that abuse leaves. So that is really crazy
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: making too, because it's like, wow, I really can't go
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: anywhere without having some kind of negative or harmful interactions.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I see. Um yeah, that is so that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is so hard, you know, And that's that's your lived
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: experience in the so reality, right, And it's true, that's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: true for a lot of women, a lot of women,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: for most women. I would say I can definitely relate
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to that. You know, I work in the South Bay
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and I always joked at my office is my car
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: because I'm very mobile. I can because I'm a community organizer.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I work in the field. So I will park my
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: car like blocks away fro where I'm supposed to be
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, walking, you know, getting to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: my my job, you know, to work with the women,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: mainly undocumented immigrant Latina women that I work with, and um,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I will you know, I will be called, I will
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: be followed, I you know, it's crazy harassed, you know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And then I get to this like welcoming space with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the senoras that I work with, and I feel like Okay,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I'm comforted and I feel good. And then I step
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: out and it's the same thing all over again, you know.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So even walking to my job is like impossible sometimes
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and when and it's like this is something that we
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: can talk about and even even on like the level
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of neurobiology, right, and like the way that our bodies
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: absorbed trauma. If we never feel safe because we never
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: are safe, Like, what does that do for your psyche?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: What does that do for your mental health, your emotional
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: well being when you never feel safe, when you're constantly
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: threatened or you're you're raised to understand that you are
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: constantly in danger. Right. Little girls are brought up knowing
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that that there's somebody out there who wants to do
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: as harness. Yes, little girls, little girls, Yes, absolutely, And
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's one of the biggest problem I think that
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: young girls of color. Um, they are really brought to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the maturity quickly, too quickly, too quickly, um, because it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: made known that they cannot dress a certain way. Um,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: they cannot be a certain way because themselves, they cannot
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: be themselves, they cannot be children. Right. And that's one
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of the hardest things I think for me to reflect
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: on now that you know, as an as an adult,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: as a grown woman, you know, seeing like my experience
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: as a child, and we're having those memories of not
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: being able to just be a child, right right, No, absolutely,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And so I just wonder, like how much damage that
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: being in a state of constant fear. And I think
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of refugees, right, and we can talk about how um
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: war and oppression on all of these things are mental
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: health issues, are gendered issues, are reproductive issues, Immigration as
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a reproductive and mental health issue as well, because I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: really I really want to know more about and talk
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: more about and really like understand how constantly feeling in danger,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: never being at peace, never really being able to sleep well,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: how that really affects somebody's their long term health, you know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And so I think that that's another reason why like
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: young youth of color, especially young women of color, are pathologized,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and how women of color in general are pathologized that oh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Latinos are crazy, get you a crazy Latina? This and that,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: this and that, right, And it's because well, if I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: grew up my entire life kind of with this this
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: sense of insecurity coming from a lot of different directions,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and I don't have a sense of safety. Yeah, again,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that's crazy making by design by environment right. Yeah, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: love that absolutely. I had something that I was in
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a state of all that's like you know right now,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and that was that was great. Um, should we do
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: a songbreak. Let's do a song break. We need to
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: like gather recenter after. That's a lot, it's a lot
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to unpact and I feel like also also, I just
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: want to say, if you hear some crying in the background,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it's my puppy. It's he just shout out shut him. Yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I found him on the street, the streets of Pasadena.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: But he's aton when he's not with his mom, when
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he's not with me, he's upset. He cries. So let's
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: do a song break and then we'll come back. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and and and and and friends and and and and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and and and friends and and and and and and
• 30:21
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• 31:34
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  Speaker 1: engaging with really sensitive topics that you know, I can
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: only speak to my own experiences and if I am
• 31:45
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• 31:48
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• 31:55
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• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to come and talk about experiences that we don't have
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: right because I'm I can't be an expert on anybody
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: else's reality. UM, And we believe in calling in right
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: because this we want this to be about learning and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: healing and advancing and moving forward and loving each other,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: not tearing each other down. So I personally don't tolerate
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: like hate culture that we live in, Like it's so toxic,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it can be very toxic. I think sometimes it does
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: have to happen. It's important. Um it does. But I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: think that what I would hope for is for like
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a call in culture where we're Okay, let's talk about this,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: let's explore, let's unpack, let's learn, and let's grow, let's evolved. Definitely,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Like remember that we are two women of color, you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that are creating art and like trying to carve out
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: space for folks like us so they can experience can
• 32:48
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• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that we're human. We're human. I have feelings. I'm a ciona. Absolutely,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive. You know. It's so let's let's let's
• 33:01
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• 33:04
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• 33:08
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• 33:10
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