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899. Bible Study: Job 5 (Job's friend, Eliphaz's Advice) · Faith by annm2705

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  Job chapter 5. This is a continuation actually
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  of Eliphaz his conversation with Job.
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  So I guess first let's pray. Dear Lord, please give us wisdom
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  and insight as we read through this chapter.
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  We ask this in Jesus name, Amen. So it says call if you will, but
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  who will answer you? So this is Iliphaz talking to
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  Job. To which of the holy ones will
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  you return? Resentment kills a fool and
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  enslaves the simple. I myself have seen a fool taking
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  root, but suddenly his house was cursed.
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  So I think I'm just going to comment as we go along on here
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  and then I'll read the study guide questions and answers.
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  So he it's kind of interesting because Eliphaz is saying call
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  if you will, but but who will answer you to which of the holy
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  ones will you turn? And I am going to read the study
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  Bible. It says who were the holy ones?
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  This is a reference to angels, God's servants, similar to those
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  in the heavenly council who stand in God's presence that we
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  read about in chapter 1. So it that just it seems like
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  it's kind of not a very nice, it's kind of almost negative to
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  job like who's going to answer you who, you know, call if you
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  want to, but who's going to answer you?
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  That's kind of like a helpless like there's no savior for you.
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  So that's really negative. How he starts out this or
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  continues in his conversation after he saw this like, you
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  know, spirit thing in a dream. And so he's continuing in that
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  path. And then he says resentment
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  kills a fool and enslaves the simple.
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  I myself have seen a fool taking root.
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  But suddenly his house was cursed.
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  So again, he's relying on his own human observations just like
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  we all do. We can only relate to what we've
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  experienced. And so he's saying, he's
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  basically saying, you know, I've seen foolish people get
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  destroyed, basically. And so the study Bible says, why
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  did Iliphaz call Job a fool? And I didn't really think he was
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  calling him a fool, but that's what the study Bible says.
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  Iliphaz accused Job of murmuring and complaining against God,
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  something that only a fool would do because it would anger God
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  even more. The term fool suggests moral
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  weakness. The term simple can also be
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  translated silly. Then it says our LFS continues
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  and says his children are far from safety, crushed in court
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  without a defender. See, these are, you know, the
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  evil being whatever, whoever it was did affect Job's family.
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  They were killed, his belongings were stolen and Job is
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  suffering. So all those things were
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  happening, but these are this notation is a little bit
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  different. Like it talks about this a
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  fool's house being cursed. His children are far from
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  safety. Well, Job had already lost his
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  children. So I don't think this is
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  necessarily telling Job this is what you are.
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  But he's saying that he's he's saying what he has seen that
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  they are crushed in court without a defender, like they
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  don't have any protection. The hungry consume his harvest,
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  taking it even among the thorns and the thirsty pant after his
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  wealth. So that's kind of like stealing
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  and then having a worldly view like the the thirsty pant after
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  his wealth. These are all things that it's
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  almost kind of like his imagination talking about Job
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  and Job's circumstances. Then it says for hardship does
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  not spring from the soil, nor does trouble sprout from the
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  ground. Yet man is born to trouble as
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  surely as sparks fly upward. Now, the way I read this is that
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  trouble is certain in life. You know, it doesn't just well,
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  I guess what he's saying here is hardship doesn't spring up from
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  the soil and it doesn't sprout up from the ground yet man is
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  born to trouble. So it just doesn't come out of
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  nowhere. But then man is born to it.
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  So maybe he perhaps is being accusatory and in his statement
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  to Job and he's saying is surely a sparks fly upward.
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  So I'm thinking like in a flight in a fire fireside, how the
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  little sparks that come up, you know, go up to the sky.
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  So he's saying this is certain, you know, you're going to have
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  trouble, which we do know. We know that just it doesn't
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  matter how good we are, how bad we are, we're going to run into
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  trouble just because we are living in a fallen world that is
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  full of sin and it's not perfected yet.
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  But the hope that we have and not the hope is I hope it'll
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  happen. But the knowing that we have is
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  that after Jesus returns, there's going to be a process
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  and we will eventually be into eternity with God, and all of
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  this sinfulness that destroys and makes everything unhappy is
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  going to be gone eventually. So that's what we all look
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  forward to. Let's see, is so the question
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  from the study Bible says, is trouble going to come no matter
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  what we do? In essence, yes.
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  In a world fallen because of sin, no one can escape trouble.
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  Some may seem to have more trouble than others, but
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  everyone faces something difficult sooner or later.
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  Eliphaz made a direct connection between moral evil and physical
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  evil. That trouble comes from doing
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  wrong. That is only one explanation for
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  suffering, however, and it wasn't the right one for Job's
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  circumstances. So in the book of Job we do
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  learn, and maybe this was the first time that it was talked
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  about that, you know, trouble can come to somebody not as a
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  consequence of sin, but as a testing to them too, as a
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  testing. So now he says a little bit I
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  think is kind of good advice. He says, but if I were you, I
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  would appeal to God. I would lay my cause before him.
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  So the way I look at that is, you know, he seek God, that
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  message, like just if I were you, seek God.
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  I mean, maybe he's talking about more like defending himself
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  where, you know, as sinful people, how could we really
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  defend ourselves? But I think seeking God is good
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  advice. So why did Eliphaz advise Job to
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  appeal his case to God? There's a tone of judgement
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  rather than of concern in Eliphaz advice.
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  Ironically, Job wanted to have God hear his case too.
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  We find that out in chapter 13. Some think Elif as was
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  suggesting that God would remove Job's trouble or show him where
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  he had gone wrong. And I do think that might be
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  true. I mean, if Job would have asked
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  and I guess he we'll see later on.
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  I haven't read that far ahead again.
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  So then it says verse 9. It says He performed talking
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  about God. He performs wonders that cannot
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  be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted.
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  He provides rain for the earth. He sends water on the
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  countryside. The lowly he sets on high, and
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  those who mourn are lifted to safety.
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  He thwarts the plans of the crafty so that their hands
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  achieve no success. You know some of this is is
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  true, but like not in all circumstances.
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  So he performs wonder this that cannot be fathomed true miracles
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  that cannot be counted true. He provides rain for the earth,
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  true, but he also withholds it at times and judgment.
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  He sends water on the countryside, true.
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  The lowly he sets on high true, that's what God often does he
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  takes a lowly person and puts them in a place of elevation and
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  Those who mourn are lifted to safety.
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  That's true, but not always in our time.
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  But if we rely and trust on God, those who mourn are lifted to
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  safety. It's, I think sometimes some of
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  the things that we go through are actually a process that we
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  learn from and God lets those things happen so that we learn
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  something from that. And if you're told something, it
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  can have a certain impact on a person.
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  Like whenever we learn something, so often we learn
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  things, but then do we apply the things that we learn?
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  So when we just learn them and we know of them, but we don't
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  implement them, they don't have that effect on us.
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  We can know what the right thing is to do, but if we don't do it,
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  then we don't benefit from the right thing.
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  And so that's I think why God sometimes allows us to go
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  through this this process, because eventually we get really
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  tired of learning all the time, learning the same thing over and
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  over and over again. And then we're like, OK, I'm not
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  going to do that same thing that I've done before to address this
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  issue. I'm going to change with the
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  help of God because you know, we can do the impossible with God.
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  So when we rely and trust on God and let God know, I don't want
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  to do it on my own anymore. I need you to help me.
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  And I'm saying this from experience because that's what I
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  did back in 2017, but it was a really long process for me.
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  My life didn't change overnight. It took me several years to
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  actually, I guess get to the point where I humbled myself and
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  then wanted to not be a hypocrite and, and to be
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  obedient to God and trust Him and everything.
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  And so it took me a few years to get that and a few years of
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  hardship, good times, bad times. And, and looking back now I have
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  the benefit of hindsight, I can see that I maybe needed that.
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  So I would learn the lesson that I would implement it, not just
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  be told what it was, but but then again, I read the Bible in
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  2019 and then that really like impacted me and that made me
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  want to change. When I actually read it and saw
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  it, it was very convicting. And it did make me not make me,
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  I chose to respond to it when I read it.
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  And so, but again, that was a long process and but I think,
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  you know, God is in control of everything and he kind of he's,
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  he's so patient, Thank God. He is so patient with us and
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  merciful that he doesn't destroy us before we respond positively
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  to him. So he thwarts the plans of the
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  crafty. So their hands achieve no
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  success. This one, the statement, I would
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  say, you know, God has the power to, but he doesn't always.
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  Sometimes he lets the plans of the crafty, the devious ones, he
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  lets it play out just like what was happening to Job right here
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  where this was the evil one that was doing something against Job
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  and God didn't stop it. He let it happen.
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  And, and there are certainly evil people who have worldly
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  success. So God, just because they're
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  evil God, God doesn't necessarily take action.
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  And it could also be in part because he is so merciful that
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  he wants all people to come to repentance, to turn to him, to
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  turn away from sin. And so even evil people, even
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  evil people, we're all evil, I guess, because we all sin.
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  But God is patient with us. Like so even the people that we
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  call evil that we say, oh, there's no way with this person,
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  that person actually could change their life.
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  We just have to look at Paul, who wrote so much of the Bible
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  and think about what he did. He knew the Bible, He knew the
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  word of God. He was, he apparently lived by
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  it. He was very zealous for the word
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  of God. He was Jewish and he persecuted
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  Christians. He was responsible for
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  Christian's death. The early believers of Jesus
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  until Paul had a personal encounter with Jesus which
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  changed his life. And then look what God did with
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  him. He enabled him to write what we
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  still read today, thousands of years later.
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  And Paul has had a major impact on people coming to faith and,
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  and a lot of revelation, direct revelation from God that he's
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  written in letters to different churches and so forth.
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  So God can use somebody who is doing evil when they become
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  repentant and turn to him, he can change their life like he
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  changed Paul's life. His name was Saul before he
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  became Paul. And God gives new names to
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  people when they have a changed life.
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  So anyway, going back to Scripture, verse 13, He catches
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  the wise in their craftiness and the schemes of the wily are
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  swept away. I mean, ultimately God does have
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  that power. And someday He will act.
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  We don't know when God's going to act on evil, but He will
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  someday. If it isn't present, it'll be on
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  the final judgement day. It says verse 14, darkness comes
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  upon them in the daytime. At noon, they grope as in night.
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  Now this is really interesting because I, this almost seems
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  like it's kind of prophetic. But anyways, from Ilphus, so I,
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  I don't know. He, I guess he's just saying,
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  you know that at noon, you know, when it's light out, they grope
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  as in night. So they're not, they're blind.
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  They can't see reality, I guess He saves the needy from the
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  sword in their mouth. He saves them for from the
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  clutches of the powerful. Now I have a different
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  understanding of this than what the Bible study Bible says.
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  So here's what the study Bible says.
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  How do the needy have a sword in their mouth?
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  Although the precise meaning of this phrase is unclear, Eliphaz
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  intent seems to have been that God saves those who are
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  oppressed and needy. The sword then may mean the
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  threat of violence. So I'll read that again.
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  He saves the needy from the sword in their mouth.
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  He saves them from the clutches of the powerful.
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  The way I see this is he saves the needy, those needing
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  salvation from the sword in their mouth.
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  It might be their own words or from something in the heavenly
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  realms like accusations or curses or something that is
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  stated because as it says in the Book of Revelation that Jesus
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  returns with a sword coming out of his mouth.
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  And the sword is also mentioned as the the word of God.
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  And it is like, I think I don't know if it's Timothy or Paul
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  that says the the word of God is like a sword that cuts through
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  and it gives you like muscles or tenues.
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  I can't remember what it was, but I don't have all the
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  memorized. But the Bible certainly cuts
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  through. And the Bible is kind of like
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  the law. And when Jesus returns, this law
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  that's in the Bible is going to judge those people who rejected
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  him. And so there is going to be
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  judgement. And that's the sword that comes
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  out of his mouth. It's probably like what he says
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  are are all of the things that are in the Bible, like he
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  fulfills what is written about of the Bible.
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  So and then it says he saves them from the clutches of the
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  powerful. You know, the clutches of the
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  powerful. There are beings in the heavenly
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  realms that are not good beings and they are more powerful than
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  human beings, and God does save people from that when we turn to
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  Him. Verse 16.
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  So the poor have hope. Hope and injustice shuts its
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  mouth. Blessed is the one whom God
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  corrects. So do not despise the discipline
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  of the Almighty. There is, there are so many
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  different references in the Bible about discipline, about
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  like God disciplines those He loves.
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  And then, you know, I, I think Paul even writes about it.
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  So now we have Job or Illa Fez that's saying this, but I
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  believe that is true. You know, don't be upset by
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  discipline because discipline is there.
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  This is something that I just recently learned to or was made
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  known to me that I really understood was that discipline
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  and judgement may feel the same because there's a consequence
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  involved with both of them. But discipline is there to
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  correct, to correct us, to change us, to make us better.
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  And then judgement is kind of that's at the end and that's
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  like final judgement. And even though they may feel
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  the same, they're tough to go through either one of them.
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  It's it's they aren't the same like discipline.
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  There's a restoration involved with it where judgement, it's a
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  final determination of what the consequences.
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  So verse 18 for he wounds, but he also binds up he injuries,
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  but his hands also heal. So this is now Eliphaz is
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  getting into encouraging words about God, which is seems more
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  appropriate be and this is true. I mean we read that in a lot of
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  the prophets where they talk about, you know, he binds up and
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  he heals for the wounds. So that's true about God.
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  And then from six calamities he will rescue you and seven no
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  harm will touch you. So let's read a couple questions
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  and answers in the study Bible that say, why did Iliphaz think
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  God was disciplining Job? This was the only explanation
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  that fit the conventional views of the day.
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  If Job was suffering, Iliphaz reasoned, it was clear Job had
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  sinned and was receiving God's judgement.
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  And this study Bible says see Psalm 1.
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  And I didn't look that up, but then there's a question, why 6
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  or 7 calamities? This kind of language is common
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  in the Old Testament, a number mentioned within the framework
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  of a second number which represented a limited or
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  extreme. For the Hebrews, the number 7
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  symbolized perfection or completion.
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  The idea is that because God is able to rescue from many
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  troubles 6. He is able to deliver from them
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  all 7. I think it's very symbolic
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  throughout the Bible. We see very we see a lot of
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  significance about 6:00 and also about 7:00 there's there's a lot
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  of significance and I won't get into all of that, but verse 20
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  in famine, he will deliver you from death and in battle from
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  the stroke of the sword. Now, yes and no.
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  This is true if if God is trying to discipline someone, or if
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  he's decided, determined even through His mercy and patience,
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  that someone needs to be punished, then He doesn't
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  deliver people from famine. But if they turn to Him like He,
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  he does. I mean, there's the Passover is
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  a great example of that, where all of the Israelites who were
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  obedient to God and did what they were told to do by putting
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  the blood of the lamb on their doorpost were protected from the
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  Angel of death. And their first, their first
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  born was not taken and to death, but all of the Egyptians, even
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  the animals had that happen to them.
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  And so God can deliver and he does protect his people, but
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  also Christians have been persecuted.
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  So and Christians have are currently being beheaded today.
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  I think in Nigeria, there's a lot of that going on.
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  So it doesn't mean that those people are have done anything
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  wrong. In fact, the Book of Revelation
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  explains that to us, that the people who have been beheaded
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  because of their faith are actually going to rule with
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  Jesus when he returns in the Millennium.
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  So God has restoration in mind and I think that's something
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  that a lot of us, we really need to put things in perspective and
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  think about eternity more than just what's in this world.
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  I mean, at the Max, probably right now, we would have 120
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  years of life from, you know, our birth because our lives have
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  been shortened because of sin. But so that's a short period.
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  And in the future, there's eternity.
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  Whether or not you choose God or you reject God, there's
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  eternity. So as beings, we will be and
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  were created to be eternal. But our world, our physical
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  death, is really the transition to that eternal placement.
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  So it's more important where we're eternally placed than
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  physically what we're experiencing right now.
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  When you put it in perspective, yes, what we go through here on
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  a day-to-day basis is important, but it's not as important as
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  eternity. And because eternity is
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  something so far away that we think of it as so far away, we
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  tend not to focus on something that's more important and just
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  focus on what's happening in the day.
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  But that's somewhat kind of foolish because we are not
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  promised. Each day something unusual,
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  strange could happen and we could not be here in the next
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  second or evening or tomorrow. I mean, none of that's promised.
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  So the important part is right now focus on eternity and the
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  relationship. I mean, it's all about the
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  relationship with God and letting Him know that you love
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  him back like you appreciate what he did for all of us with
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  Jesus dying on the cross for us and then breaking the curse of,
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  of, of death, like sending us to hell forever by his action on
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  the cross. That's how we are able to get
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  into the Kingdom of God. And no one else could do it but
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  Jesus. And he was obedient to the
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  Father and did this for us. And we have so much to be
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  thankful for. We're heading into the Good
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  Friday, that's tomorrow. And then on Sunday People
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  celebrate Resurrection Sunday or Easter as some call it.
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  And so this is all a remembering about Jesus and what he did for
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  us because otherwise we would be, we deserve to be in eternal
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  torment. And that's what's going to
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  happen to the people that reject God.
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  OK, so God, God does save. He can save.
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  And it says 21 verse 21, you will be protected from the lash
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  of the tongue and need not fear when destruction comes.
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  Now God does say that to his children like he does say that
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  there is some protection. Why some get protected and then
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  others don't it that's only up to God.
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  But what we can be sure of, just like Job, we will learn at the
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  very end is that if God uses a person and has them go through
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  quote hell on earth and they are faithful to him, he's going to
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  like doubly bless them. Now, I only say that because of
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  the examples that we are given in Scripture where that's what
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  God, it seems like every single time I've seen it in Scripture
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  that he doubly blesses somebody. And pay attention to that when
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  you read the Scripture. And if somebody goes through
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  suffering and they're a faithful, loyal servant of God,
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  he doubly blesses them. So if you have trouble right now
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  and you are faithful to God and you're going through hard times
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  and you love God and he knows it, you can be assured that
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  God's going to do something pretty awesome in time.
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  We don't know when, but that is just the way God is.
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  His character is shown throughout the Bible.
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  Then at verse 22 it says you will laugh at destruction and
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  famine and need not fear the wild animals, for you will have
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  a covenant with the stones of the field and the wild animals
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  will be at peace with you. Now I was a little confused.
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  You will have a covenant with the stones of the field and I
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  don't really know what that relates to, but I can also, I
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  mean, what comes to mind for me is the stones in the field.
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  Those that's the way people marked their property.
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  And so I don't know for you, we'll have a covenant with the
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  stones of the field. You'll be in agreement with the
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  boundaries. I don't know, that's what I'm
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  thinking. And the wild animals will be at
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  peace with you. Well, there is one time coming
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  up in the future where the wild animals will be at peace with
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  all people. And it's going to be a pretty
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  cool time because we won't have to be fearful of of like, I
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  don't know what it like cobras or, you know, a toddler can play
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  with a cobra and the lion can lie down with the lamb and
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  they're at peace with one another.
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  And that's after Jesus returns. There is going to be this time
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  of life here on earth that's going to be so amazing that we
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  really, I mean, I'm looking forward to it because I can't
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  wait till I love animals and I can't wait until that time when
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  everything is at peace and it's just going to be so wonderful.
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  You will know you will know that your tent is secure.
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  You will take stock of your property and find nothing
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  missing. Think about that.
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  You don't have to ever worry about people stealing from you.
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  This again. I this is future and I guess
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  he's it's interesting because Iliphaz, this is supposedly like
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  the oldest book in the Bible. And so apparently back at this
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  time, they knew this he knew that this was coming up in the
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  future. So I don't know how he had that
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  knowledge, but you will know that your children will be many.
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  And this is interesting too, because that's the promise that
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  was given to Abraham. And I don't know that these
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  things actually, I'm going to look back on the timing of this.
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  It says that, well, this is really interesting because the
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  timing of these things, the historical setting of Job, it
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  runs parallel to Joseph, who was in Egypt, but it extends beyond
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  Joseph's life. So theoretically, Job could have
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  known about what happened in Egypt and the Exodus and the
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  Passover. He could have known all that.
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  And so he was this historical setting of Job came after, you
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  know, Abraham's life, after Isaac's life, after Jacob's life
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  and concurrent with Joseph's life, but extending beyond, but
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  way before Moses's life. So it's kind of interesting, you
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  know, where did he, I mean this, this historical setting says
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  1900 to 1700 BC. So a lot of these prophets came
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  later. So I wonder how he knew these
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  things. Just interesting.
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  But God can speak to people. He doesn't have to use the
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  prophets, but he did to get the message to a wide group of
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  people, including us thousands of years later by having it
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  documented in a book, the Bible. So going back again to the
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  Scripture about your, you know, you, you will know that your
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  children will be many. So he would have been Privy to
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  that information because that was given to Abraham, then to
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  Isaac, then to Jacob. It was passed down.
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  So that would have been something that was probably
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  orally spoken that they would know about.
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  And your descendants, like grass on the earth, you will come to
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  the grave in full vigor, like sheaves gathered in season.
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  Now sheaves was kind of like the first gathered in season.
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  That was the first wave of offering to God.
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  And so I think about like this is, is this referring in a
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  metaphorical way to the resurrection?
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  Was Illa Fez aware of the resurrection?
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  Because you will come to the grave in full vigor, like
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  sheaves gathered, gathered in season.
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  It usually 'cause when people died in the Bible, it usually
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  says they went to sleep. And that's very interesting that
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  it talks about them going to sleep.
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  Pay attention to that. And I don't know if it's just
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  the NIV version, but it talks about going to sleep.
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  And in in reality, that's what it is.
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  It's a transition to eternal life when we physically die
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  because we aren't truly dead because Jesus broke that curse
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  by his death on the cross. So we don't die.
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  We were supposed to, we were slated to die, but we don't.
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  We're going to be eternal and Jesus put an end to that death
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  by his death, his sacrifice on the cross.
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  Then it says in verse 27, we have examined this and it is
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  true. So hear it and apply it to
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  yourself. So Illefez, I think Gus thinks
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  he's pretty smart here. So then let's see.
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  There's one last question, and then we'll wrap it up.
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  Who would believe that bad things don't happen to good
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  people? Most everyone.
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  At that time, Illefez articulated the conventional
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  wisdom of the day. His rather simplistic view must
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  have added to Job's already intense pain.
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  Job and his friends did not know what we know from chapters one
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  and two. Bad things do happen to good
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  people. In fact, it is Job's experience,
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  recounted through the inspiration of the Spirit, that
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  helps us to see these things from this different perspective.
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  So this is the end of Chapter 5 and if you are not subscribed,
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