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- 0:01Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
- 0:08season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
- 0:15to it on radio train topic. Our President was born in Argentina, Dr
- 0:23Rabiero Mirey was the President hello. To all there is no stabilization plan,
- 0:41not good, but the delay to change. There' s a problem of
- 0:43currency arrears here. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty
- 0:49- four thousand. Ah well. It' s very little speck, it
- 0:52' s already a lot of equator, but you' re not liberal.
- 0:56There were taxes how about the province no, but if I add one plus
- 1:02three hundred sixty five times and give me three sixty s I can' t
- 1:04dunia. If there' s no video and there' s not you who
- 1:07invited me to the federo you noodle cotuko. They want to know how the
- 1:11economy will grow, it will rise, as Bushop fart, but very much.
- 1:15Well, because there' s no comprehensive plan. But you should set
- 1:19the path. This is not a liberal government because it did not release the
- 1:23drug. Not because there' s a changed appreciation. There is appreciation to
- 1:26change, but freedom faces little. So you want to be in my friends
- 1:33the hospital, how they do very much, but it' s nice to
- 1:37be skel that the inter- galactic leader that we have inter- planetary,
- 1:42inter all with the best caputo toto, the best Minister of Economics in history
- 1:48peto blo, the best minister is health, development, however he is now
- 1:53social in the history forgiving adornment, nor the best spokesman for victory. What
- 1:53am I missing? I don' t know, we have all the best
- 1:57in the history of the world, the wildest fit. Here we are bloo
- 2:00one thousand two fifty going down a little bit of that development. I lie
- 2:04sixty- five risk or one percent, that is, the one of cano
- 2:07for now of that thousand and two hundred and ten is one and five hundred
- 2:10and ten. All the dollars are going down. Today the financiers counted on
- 2:14liquiy above one thousand three hundred, but falling from one thousand three hundred ten.
- 2:17The dollar lies to me seventy- nine. Since July we have been
- 2:22following the electricity and gas tariffs to the extent that they will be inflation-
- 2:23based every month. I don' t think that' s bad. Which
- 2:27I find wrong are the wild moments we' ve seen the other days.
- 2:31In recent times, I' m sorry. Miley crossed over to Picheto for
- 2:35defending privilege retirements. They' re finished that they' ll know about the
- 2:39president and that he uses the investiture to talk. So let' s starve
- 2:43the same guy I lived up to how many businessmen and financiers, I don
- 2:46' t give a shit about three fucks. What the Congress has to do
- 2:47is to fir Captain Beto is clear. The issue is to pay the political
- 2:53costs. Cristina Fernández also sees everything. It' s eighty- two percent.
- 2:57There for two thousand ten, let' s remember it eighty- two
- 3:00percent for the courts. They say he went here at four and two o
- 3:02' clock in the afternoon, with fourteen degrees and a day now rather cloudy.
- 3:07Argentine bonds continue to fall and at risk country again exceeds 1, 500
- 3:09pesos retirements. How many would get to the minimum with the bill passed in
- 3:15deputies. Of course he' s going to back down. Look, I
- 3:16was gonna inhabit. The point is that you don' t insist on Congress,
- 3:20that you don' t have two- thirds, for you know that
- 3:23if the Executive is a target, a rule. If Congress insists, I
- 3:24think it' ll be more House. If I' m not wrong about
- 3:27two- thirds. Ready to go out with fries. I don' t
- 3:30know if we' re gonna vanquish that point, but, well, we
- 3:34' ll see good food. The House is making some news of the day.
- 3:36He also confirmed the cautionary. The stock was ordered to be reported and
- 3:40sanctions were requested for Grabois and Jian. This gra today looking for rating all
- 3:45the time and there' s Jani, who' s an ex who'
- 3:47s nerist, macist coming in fanatical. He' d be free like all
- 3:52talk if he wasn' t put there to dirty the libertarians, because you
- 3:57never know like a Trojan horse. Well, it' s terribly murky.
- 3:59Today it claims to be freedoms, but well the Federal Chamber of the Potenia
- 4:02confirmed in an anime the ordered precautionary measure. Then marry him from this.
- 4:05Let' s do a little bit with kiper our NELKIPERX judicial matter gouminist who
- 4:10imposed the Ministry of Human Capital. There goes part of the reality or the
- 4:15actuality of the day. Let' s go over a little bit more.
- 4:18We have programs loaded, but also audio already has it there only presto Juan
- 4:23effective as always efficient. Let' s make a second listen to Pablo Román,
- 4:27director of the circuit consultant, former columnist of the House. The house
- 4:30is called a plual construction. He' s already got his billitos for over
- 4:3520 years, and we' re seeing if we' re going to split
- 4:39up like a colmnita next month. But well he sent us an audio with
- 4:40the last circuit work he circulated yesterday in a minute. We' ll listen
- 4:45to them. I read a note in the very good digital media, which
- 4:47is the letter Letter p The approval of the project to increase retirements and change
- 4:53the mobility formula left a data worry for my law that the allied losses make
- 4:57it difficult for the government to hold a veto. That' s what I
- 5:00said. Petto Beto v also commented on the play of the honest and effective
- 5:04Minister, the best Minist in the history of the world. The Federal Chamber
- 5:06confirmed Casaniel' s failure, which they acted on to form the food list
- 5:11and I' m going to veto everything. I don' t give a
- 5:14shit about three cucumbers, three fucks. He said it, it' s
- 5:15very good, very well spoken our interplanetary leader, well good. Pablo Romaro,
- 5:24a little while ago, our specialist in judicial matters at HEAPER, will
- 5:26put us John after fact. Let' s see if we hear an audio
- 5:31of the economic panorama of Julio Andina and if we close with Dr Juan José
- 5:36Warezti by telephone that will tell us about the economy, the currency lag.
- 5:39You know we did. He is a lawyer many years, a lot of
- 5:43experience, many parties and was also director of the Central Bank of the Argentine
- 5:46Republic. Toto came back and remembered who Totos is. Fernando is the best
- 5:50Minister of Economy in Argentine history. Toto Caputo, no debtor, no criminal.
- 5:56He said he' s not gonna let us down. That' s
- 5:59what I' m saying in the' 90s and that' s how it
- 6:02ended, but good for the food sweat and the pressure on the dollar.
- 6:04The deinflation process could be reversed in June. Camilo Tecorne is six told me
- 6:09that they don' t have that for now that he keeps giving it down
- 6:13inflation. Obviously, already after the five that will be known on Thursday,
- 6:16that not tomorrow, but the other Thursday, the twelve of will officially broadcast
- 6:19the indec. Hard for the index to lower the wild' s number by
- 6:24more than four or five, but there' s some run run that could
- 6:30this, that the number could stagnate already the low. There' s a
- 6:32lot of running around with the government, not because this is offensive. I
- 6:34now have the gnanism that before Serra Mancha and now it is not so much
- 6:39because of the retired issue, it runs in the financial market, that inflation
- 6:43does not continue to fall. This petro- making veils the aid of poverty,
- 6:48which is at fifty- five percent. Incredibly it was mentioned by Pepe
- 6:54Agaller before that in construction prun sumada without topic, this more than five nine
- 6:59million people, five one more people are twenty- five and in total,
- 7:01with this fifty- five percent poverty in the era of cruelty, are eleven
- 7:05more points since assuming Milk and good and that way, that way we will
- 7:10see Don Juan beats me then Pablo Román, director of the construction circuit,
- 7:13if to be kind. We listened to Paul with the poll that he just
- 7:17yesterday went out into the oven in terms of public opinion, as always of
- 7:21the circuit builder. That is to say, we are going yesterday to publish
- 7:30the report of consulting circuits of the month of May and well, as central
- 7:35characteristics of the report, what we can see is that well there is no
- 7:42situation of polarization if you want a society that is good divided around fundamentally the
- 7:47figure of President Millay, a President Millay who maintains a positive, good,
- 7:55high, stable level of image and I think quite consolidated, about forty-
- 8:01five percent. Last month' s report was about 50. But well,
- 8:07while there is a drop in the image, it maintains an important level of
- 8:13acceptance and that well, it is followed by some issues that does nothing good
- 8:22to the daily life, not to the interviewees, that is, when you
- 8:26ask what impact economic measures have good on your personal or family economy, well,
- 8:37there is a high percentage that thinks about fifty percent that it thinks that
- 8:43good, that it has a high impact. And when one asks who are
- 8:48the injured, those affected by these measures, mainly the workers, the middle
- 8:54sectors, the courts, and who are the beneficiaries, you see those who
- 8:58benefit, mainly the big entrepreneurs, not the caste, not the small traders
- 9:05and SMEs. And then we asked a cross question for a segmentation of hard
- 9:20core, opposition core in terms of what the strengths and weaknesses of the government
- 9:28are. And what we see is that in those sectors that are part of
- 9:33the hard- core government, the main strength lies in the economy and the
- 9:43weaknesses go through political negotiation and the social and educational policy of the government.
- 9:48And while for the opposition core, the main fortress appears as none. Let
- 9:56' s say there is no recognition of almost fifty to five percent opinion that
- 10:03the government has no strength and among the weaknesses fundamentally appears economic policy and social
- 10:09and educational policy. Fundamentally not good. That' s a little bit of
- 10:16the good face features that more synthetically characterize the report that we presented yesterday,
- 10:24you were seen yesterday well by Daniel Tipper' s line. Time to say
- 10:39hello. Daniel, good afternoon, how' s it going? Good afternoon,
- 10:41Fernando, how you' re doing, very well. Thank you for
- 10:45being like always my friend. Well, Friday I hope you greet me will
- 10:48be the journalist' s day and I' m the least business in general
- 10:52is a corporate defense. I think, unfortunately, like so many, perhaps
- 10:56because of the measure, like yours, like the business, like the oistics,
- 11:00like the trade union, like the epichaetera, there is a lot of
- 11:05smell of dirt in journalism as well. Now, from that clarification, I
- 11:07tell the truth that I do not like very much that the Minister of Justice
- 11:11does not sound very good that he has brought to justice journalists that they are
- 11:16denouncing, those who seek to intimidate us in some way and intimidate us from
- 11:20power in cases, in case against nancipazos and dario villarruel that referred to the
- 11:26scandal the food retained. Minister of Justice Olivarona says he does it in his
- 11:31personal title. I' m listening. To begin with, Daniel Yes,
- 11:37first of all, we must remember that there are constitutional rights and guarantees and
- 11:46protection of press freedom as well. I mean both the right to free expression
- 11:52and the exercise of such a noble profession. Beyond the fact that not everyone,
- 11:58the boss with Darknoglifer, which is the exercise of the press, then,
- 12:05for a journalist to comment on a crime in the Court, has long
- 12:13established that some plus is required, which is what is called real maritia,
- 12:20that is, that, in addition to the objective and objective elements of the
- 12:24criminal figure, a special plus, which is what is called real malice,
- 12:30is required. And this refers primarily to crimes against honour, because sometimes in
- 12:35criticism journalists are accused of slander or slander. But here Minister Cuñonli Varona has
- 12:48gone one step further, because he is accusing you of a figure that refers
- 12:56to the disturbance of public order. Public order is the protected legal good and,
- 13:03while I have not read the specific allegation of gunio, he interpreted the
- 13:11charge as allegedly a violation of article two hundred and twelve of the Criminal Code,
- 13:18something quite subjective. On the other hand, it is not a somewhat
- 13:20broad figure, which is incitement to violence. It is a figure questioned by
- 13:26several factors. On the one hand, because we don' t know exactly
- 13:31what public order really is. They are dead concepts for jurists and, on
- 13:37the other hand, they do not give you in the case the objective elements
- 13:45and your objective of the figure, that is, the typical action, is
- 13:50to incite violence against indeterminate people, because if it is against a certain person,
- 13:58it is already a crime that makes an individual to the social order.
- 14:05And then one thing is unquoted, collective violence. In addition, that is
- 14:11to say, to sell certain factors And another thing, to comment on a
- 14:22news story and analyze the effects that it can have on a certain measure of
- 14:26government on social behavior. Because I also didn' t have the opportunity to
- 14:31hear it from the statement he attributes to Nancy Pasa and Villarroel and Darío Illarroel,
- 14:41of course I know Darío. In addition to that lawyer and work in
- 14:48courts we shared in the faculty, they did not do anti- pacing,
- 14:56but what I imagine they did was that they commented on a government measure for
- 15:05lack of food deliveries and talk speculated about something that we have done, all
- 15:11that is a violent reaction from people who do not have to eat, to
- 15:18take over this food. And this is not to incite violence, but to
- 15:20make an observation about the social reality of the moment and, moreover, from
- 15:26the point of view of its objective, what is required a specific pain in
- 15:31these types of figures, besides that it is a crime of danger. Dangerous
- 15:37crimes are also questioned by doctrine. It is discussed whether this crime of concrete
- 15:45danger is an abstract danger, which in general gives rise to its virtually null
- 15:52application. Remember, for example, that of burning a flag, the U
- 15:58S Supreme Court said it would burn a flag to oppose Ronald Reagan' s
- 16:06candidacy. It did not constitute a crime of this kind, that is to
- 16:12say, that constitutional guarantees and rights always prevail. They have referred to freedom
- 16:18of the press and freedom of expression. Okay, okay. The other subject
- 16:25is good. There' s a glitch. Today is one of the news
- 16:29of the day. Let' s say the Chamber of Feral Buenos Aires has
- 16:32just unanimously confirmed the precautionary measure ordered by Federal Judge Bacán Casanelo, who imposed
- 16:37on the Ministry of Human Capital to be so mentioned by these hours. Don
- 16:41Sandra Peto, veil report the food stuff that has stored in the obpositories of
- 16:45Villa Martelli and Tucumán and the delivery schedule to see first not about this facility,
- 16:51but about what just came out, but about Casanello. This former Quisnerist
- 16:56militant, a former macist militant, is furious with that of the virtual converts
- 17:02spokeswoman of the missa, which is a mitre that does not speak seems mute.
- 17:07The spokesman Leila Jianista would work, has said that Casanielo was a militant
- 17:12judge, for example, you can answer, say, from the civil servant,
- 17:18from the executive, to a judge in this way if to the bottom
- 17:22of the question that we can then touch, well, the parties always have
- 17:29the power to question the actions of the judges, and the judges a doff
- 17:36are more limited precisely by the magistracy they exercise to give due answer to these
- 17:41kinds of accusations. But the problem here is that the Ministry or this colleague
- 17:48intends to defend a position that does not resist the analysis, because if there
- 17:56is something that the judges have, at least since the modification made to the
- 18:02Penal Code by law twenty- five, eight or fifteen, if I do
- 18:07not remember the number of powers to order precautionary measures, among others, among
- 18:15the reasons to stop the effects of the crime. And then here it seems
- 18:19that we are facing a crime and the judge ordered a precautionary measure to put
- 18:26an end to these effects. And I' m going to give some example.
- 18:30Let' s imagine there' s a frugated property. How many times
- 18:33have we seen judges ordering the eviction of prisoners from usurped lands, that is,
- 18:40to exercise the effect of the crime. The parties could then discuss in
- 18:45or jurisdiction, in the Federal civil or civil and commercial justice, as appropriate,
- 18:52the economic effects of the crime. But it is the judge himself who
- 19:00must put an end to the defects of the crime. Imagine that a person
- 19:03who is deprived of his or her liberty buried in an apartment that the judge
- 19:10has to make keep her locked up in maniac so long as he or she
- 19:18takes pictures, investigates the crime or arranges for the person to be released so
- 19:23that he or she can regain his or her liberty as he or she proceeds
- 19:30with the investigation and allows the accused parties to exercise their right of defence.
- 19:30Indeed, the appeal has no idea from the outset of success, and I
- 19:37believe that even today' s ruling, which I have read quickly, is
- 19:41very hard for the government to appeal. There are judges who are anticipating,
- 19:48there is no willingness to comply with the court order. They may be engaged
- 19:53in the crime of disobedience. Staff members do not comply with a measure and
- 20:03there are also a number of undisputed factors, which is a near maturity of
- 20:11many foods and a need for long- term and deferred food for a large
- 20:19part of the population to be able to feed themselves. There are people who
- 20:22are in need of food to find by tomorrow. Here the Ministry that has
- 20:33that function does not fulfill. There we are talking about Minister Petuela, who,
- 20:36as head of the Ministry area of this case, is responsible. Don
- 20:41' t even let me put a hypothesis to you. Imagine that a baby
- 20:47sleeps in the crib and the mother is going to decide a week' s
- 20:53vacation, the girl leaves it in the crib. When she arrives, she
- 20:57finds her dead out of hunger. How to qualify her useful fact that killed
- 21:03baby A with certain assumptions, the omission generates legal repo. It' s
- 21:11because I' m leaving certain circumstances. There is a legal obligation to prevent
- 21:15a certain result from occurring, and in this case, the Government must ensure
- 21:22that people die of hunger. This is the result of international treaties, of
- 21:26the Constitution itself and, most importantly, of the elements at its disposal.
- 21:30A father who does not feed his child because he has no money, has
- 21:34no food and does not know what to do to obtain it, will be
- 21:41able to justify his conduct in his material impossibility. But having at this time
- 21:45a substantial amount of food deposited at your disposal and not distributing it can have
- 21:56even more serious consequences for the functioning. God in what happens. For this
- 22:00type of inoperability or lack of food delivery. We can remember the tonic facts
- 22:10you love. Yes, it speaks of the genosiriorme, when we talk about
- 22:15the serious, half- Armenian geno, a tragedy of the early twentieth century.
- 22:21Much of the person who died, therefore, precisely because of lack of
- 22:27food. But something I' ve left to his fate. And today history
- 22:34picks up that event as a genocide. You didn' t want to ask
- 22:42me I didn' t say it here as head of the Ministry area.
- 22:45In this case, the primary responsibility is the Minister. But he' s
- 22:48not the minitramuda. Let' s say, well, in criminal matters,
- 22:55the responsibilities are personal. Talk to see who has the show. But obviously
- 23:00tobello has a political responsibility and has also but political, but political and but
- 23:06judicial responsibility and can after having also the judicial responsibility, because whoever ultimately decides
- 23:11to distribute the food or not distinguishes two different situations distribution order signed by the
- 23:25Minister and his equal that does not comply, could be justified by the Administration
- 23:32in the subaltern lack of the tower. We put up distribution order board or
- 23:38eventually order not to distribute. That this is linked to what we saw yesterday
- 23:45at the hearing that showed one of the parts about the phrases expressed over time
- 23:51by the Ministry that was giving. First there was no food, second was
- 23:56for catastrophe, third was not to be defeated. If there is a political
- 24:04decision not to distribute, obviously, the responsibilities of the Minister and perhaps even
- 24:11of higher authorities, not too clear to see what if the defence of the
- 24:19government did say we will not deal with the facias of justice, that is
- 24:22to say by passing the possibility of getting out more because it said that the
- 24:27Ministry' s action on the file I am reading, it said that it
- 24:33appealed on the basis of questions of competence, holding that it is a question
- 24:38of pure administrative litigation, such as the doctrine of non- judicial political issues.
- 24:42In other words, one of the arguments is that this is a question
- 24:47of management and that we should not say that justice puts the magnifying glass,
- 24:49but that it is a question of non- judicial management. In my opinion,
- 24:55the first is doubly wrong because the case is expected to put an end
- 25:02to the effects of criminal conduct. That' s why I think one of
- 25:07the prosecutors, the House Attorney, told us to investigate crimes and take the
- 25:12precautionary measure just to make the effects of the crime drop. Examples that tell
- 25:18you people kidnapped by a gang and what the judge does limit having the gang
- 25:26and does not release the person. It has to stop the effects of the
- 25:33crime. And, on the other hand, while it is true that the
- 25:38debate on social policies, the right to ask for food must be a cause
- 25:47that must be dealt with in contentious justice. This is a judicable subject.
- 25:52Our national Constitution guarantees the right. One of the rights he earns is food
- 25:57for a dignified life. Not all the rights guaranteed by the Constitution were fully
- 26:07recognized in practice, but there was a principle established by international treaties, which
- 26:14synthesized the phrase that the date went to one direction. Once a stadium is
- 26:21reached, you cannot go back, but you have to maintain or improve it.
- 26:26And in this case, we see that the Argentine Government, the Argentine
- 26:33State, many years ago, since the 1990s, at least, has been
- 26:37implementing social aid policies to facilitate those who are marginalized from those outside the system
- 26:44to get food. And the new President cannot reprobate in this state policy that
- 26:55is stopped by international treaties. It can take action, but without going back
- 27:03on those social recognitions that already come from antane. You see I' m
- 27:11interested in what I didn' t want to consult you very much, because
- 27:12just came the vice product failure that something came to tibar. Let' s
- 27:15say what you read about this failure of this House is to see you talking
- 27:18about crimes. It' s very strong. Let' s say the statement
- 27:23and good that the doctor' s vote for is practically pointing out that there
- 27:33is a willingness not to comply on the part of the Ministry and so he
- 27:38suggests intimate, that is, the vote for intimate the government under perception of
- 27:45being in progress in the crime of disobedience. And yet Dr Ilurton' s
- 27:48vote, which I was able to read quickly, alludes to human rights that
- 27:56are not being respected. I remember the exact wording of the phrase they use,
- 28:03but it clearly points out that there are human rights that are being violated,
- 28:07not two at the moment. Obviously, it does not attribute responsibilities for
- 28:14this violation of human rights, but it is clearly pointing it out, i
- 28:19e that it seems to me to be a harsh term. Then the do
- 28:22roavija a little bit. In fact, yes, I think that' s
- 28:34why I' m marking how much I' m losing it. I hear
- 28:36it more from the dog than you do. It' s a little bit
- 28:40more than I' ve been touched by dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 28:44yeah, yeah, but really, really, dogs weren' t meant
- 28:48to devastate another aspect of the news, which is the dog fight that was
- 28:55there in the court b Of the images we saw from the hearing in the
- 29:03Federal Chamber are grotesque images, far removed from the style of eclimists that we
- 29:11have lawyers in the hearings. They are a duel of verbal climate with height
- 29:18and with a different intellectual level that we saw yesterday in the hearing and also
- 29:26the judges are entrusting themselves to the school of attorney in the attitude of the
- 29:33colleagues who intervened technically to see now you know I right up to a certain
- 29:37point, but not so much that is the audience, because to watch at
- 29:40least the video that was seen from different cabras were the exit of the audience
- 29:42itself. No, I mean, that doesn' t technically belong to the
- 29:47audience. It' s like the exit like they would have grabbed on the
- 29:48street almost beyond the fact that they are two lawyers or two responsible, an
- 29:53official and just as tired as he recorded it. As a matter of fact,
- 29:56there are two different moments in the audience that I saw some videos where
- 30:03the lawyer representing the Ministry of Human Capital was taking the floor. I don
- 30:14' t remember his name, even if this girl, who was a quinerist
- 30:18and now the liberal of the first time milater was first Le Agiani Law,
- 30:21which in the spokeswoman today, in fact of Ministry Beethovens, interrupted and wronged
- 30:27him, which in the hearings is arranged. The procedural code says so.
- 30:33First the panabla, the appellant, then the counterpart, and then there is
- 30:38a rejoinder that can be exercised by all parties, but we always manage and
- 30:48respect the times where one speaks, the rest listens. And usually at the
- 30:52hearing where a party interrupts, the president of the court or the judge,
- 30:59depending on the case, warns the interrupter that it should not be and can
- 31:07even adopt me from sanctions to ask him to leave the courtroom, no,
- 31:15which did not happen. At the hearing, this situation was very uncomfortable.
- 31:19Nor does the tone of mind of the voice seem a right tone to me.
- 31:27I think it hurts the part that he represented, because the art of
- 31:34advocacy is to convince, not to impose. Then one usually speaks in soft
- 31:41colloquial terms to be intelligible the idea he is defending and will respond to the
- 31:52position he postulates. And it' s never a personal fight between lawyers.
- 31:57Lawyers tend to have an audit, if they want to be heated where we
- 32:06defend opposing interests. But the audience ends and we understand that it was an
- 32:10intellectual debate, a verbal grimm, but with a certain level and a certain
- 32:15height. Not then, as a lawyer, I regret that kind of scenes
- 32:24and another. The situation in which you were commenting that it happened outside the
- 32:28aurientes room. That is the one that was most seen everywhere in networks and
- 32:30it is the verbal tear as a subject that is not the grimarbar the rawness
- 32:36outside not killing there it seems to me that, beyond the scope that was
- 32:40in courts, truth, none was exercising their role as lawyer and, therefore,
- 32:47it is a subject that it is not for him to judge the bar
- 32:52association, that it is an issue already lawyers are in the street. We
- 32:58have conduct that is not the competence of the Bar Association, but of other
- 33:06areas. Eventually judge them. But and this was outside the courthouse, the
- 33:13system that I find worrying is that a person who I believe was carrying out
- 33:19custody duties of the Minister so that they could enter with a weapon courts because
- 33:27if the climate of hostility and vendetta and fighting or one must guarantee the physical
- 33:35safety of the parties. You cannot enter someone with a gun still working the
- 33:42public and especially when the public functioned the one you have not kept. That
- 33:49' s where the justice that you' ve got the fault failed. We
- 33:51have to get there with a gun. Someone you liked already in court.
- 33:53Well, when you get acommodore pi, you have to go through a scanner.
- 34:01It' s fond, it' s forced, it' s inevitable
- 34:05to pass. Okay. So yes, yes, yes, Juan surprises me
- 34:07with entry. Sometimes it' s an appointment plan with voluminous keyrings, without
- 34:15singing Skarner. Well, you have to show the keychain is a riding discomfort.
- 34:20It is momentary, but it is difficult to imagine that the staff of
- 34:25the building, that of the weapon that entered the building, did not notice.
- 34:35Well, Daniel, thank you very much. As always, let'
- 34:37s not relax on the top. Not because it happened to us with beles
- 34:40recently and the series was easy with beles. Some may think it' s
- 34:45easy with workshops. There' s no need to relax. There' s
- 34:47no need to relax. Let' s go for the Libertadores Cup and the
- 34:52World Club Championship. I have no doubt about that. Hopefully, look at
- 34:55that up ahead, after eighth and after fourth in semis eventually. I wish,
- 35:00there are Brazilians as always, although here you tell me no, San
- 35:04Lorenzo river I wish, but well, yes, well, I wish,
- 35:09let' s be Argentine teams. It' s just that we caught in
- 35:13the end how it happened in the two thousand eighteen and with similar results.
- 35:17With whom we had reached a small team that is now in a lower drink.
- 35:21No, I don' t remember who we played in two thousand eighteen.
- 35:23Time to semi you remember. I think they' re having football problems,
- 35:30because there was a meeting of the President with the new one to Julia
- 35:36Amarid and I Solia Amarillo. I know, I know Chicanas on the side
- 35:38for cousins. Thank you, Daniel Abrazo, Grande, Ablazos, Fernando Te
- 35:43Luez, keep it going. Thank you, Daniel Kipper, here as always
- 35:45in our construction test. I wish, Juan tells me, there' s
- 35:51fast- paced Rivers Shick Chick I' d say Guillermonimos doesn' t even
- 35:52know who he is. I think Juan, because he' s very young
- 35:57you' re very young this one, but river The semis the calendar seems
- 36:02favorable to you. I do logo a little more complicated. But well,
- 36:05I hope, but it does happen and they' re going to dream of
- 36:08some Copa ruin, with technical ramondies and with whom is the number nine that
- 36:13killed us that. From ah how it' s going to be number nine.
- 36:15This one does not remember, for John has and we no longer follow
- 36:17each other. You know, but, uh, I don' t remember
- 36:20everything. It makes me that the name that ruined us the Cup we were
- 36:22winning you with a zero in the monumental, with the Games to one,
- 36:24with Ramón Díaz, you Convey longo proxima lengo or I will remember. Well
- 36:30Evergecio, very good to see perfect gesture march that we met that tastes good,
- 36:36let' s go to the one to listen to Julio Ambina, to
- 36:38see see to Gambina, Juan we have Gambina, we hit Tanda and already
- 36:42we go to Waretti. Okay. Thank you. Let' s go with
- 36:49that Hey, they' re good. The Chief of Staff, assumed only
- 36:53today, although in office for a few days, says that they will have
- 37:00the base law for July, because it is imagining that in the next days
- 37:07will end approving in the Senate the average sanction of reformed deputies, of course,
- 37:15with some adjustments, it will return to the Chamber of Deputies and in
- 37:20the Chamber of Deputies finally, imagine that a law will be adopted that gives
- 37:27the legal basis to a very profound regressive restructuring of the economy, of the
- 37:35State of society and a letter of presentation to the International Monetary Fund the international
- 37:43creditors that gives predictability, not only to the deep adjustment that carries forward the
- 37:47government to my law, but also to policies with legal basis of reorganization of
- 38:00the State, of very strong modifications regarding the labor legislation for the public sector
- 38:08and the private sector, with possibility to restructure the State and, in short,
- 38:17to dismiss the state workers, favoring the restructuring of the labor relations in
- 38:23favor of the capital and against the workers, a previsional reform that will advance
- 38:31in the demand of the big capitals to eliminate the rights of workers, retired
- 38:40workers and, ultimately, the regime of incentives to big investments, that is
- 38:47in the expectation of the capitals of Argentina, the most concentrated in the world,
- 40:30The cruel thing about politics is the retention of food in the face of
- 40:37the problems of widening the need, because, together with the decreasing trend of
- 40:45prices, what is there is a deterioration of consumption due to inability to buy
- 40:51reduced incomes of the majority of the population, whether wages, pensions or social
- 40:57plans and, therefore, this drop in consumption leads to an cession that is
- 41:00generating unemployment biases. We have already commented on the more than two hundred seventy
- 41:08- four thousand hundred salary accounts, according to the Central Bank of the Argentine
- 41:15Republic, or what the Ministry of Labour usually reports, of the loss of
- 41:21regular regular jobs and, therefore, a deterioration in the living conditions of the
- 41:28majority of the population. The statements of the Chief of Staff, Guillermo Francos,
- 41:37in the sense of the approval of the basic law tries to cover up
- 41:45these other problems that stimulate discontent, protest, the confrontation with the policy of
- 41:52a government that tries to manage it from the fields in the cabinet and with
- 42:00the next and eventual assumption of Stourzenegger, a picture of the most reactionary policies
- 42:09at the economic level, with action in previous governments with the Government of Mauricio
- 42:20Macri, a direct responsible of the Decree 70 that is in force of the
- 42:25failed omnibus law with more than six hundred articles at the beginning of this year.
- 42:31An adaptor of this law bases that grants special powers in various areas to
- 42:39the President of the Nation, who redirects the reactionary state reform with privatizations,
- 42:49labor reform, security reform and, above all, the regime of incentive to
- 42:53large investments. That is why it is a sign of strength in this permanent
- 43:00electoral campaign that the Government is doing at the national level and in the world
- 43:07territory, while it is finding its hand apparently with the new Chief of Staff.
- 43:14Well sixteen and forty well well heard to Julio Cambina, Now we are
- 43:17going to cast Dr Juan José faith Goresti to share these last twenty minutes in
- 43:22plural construction, my friend. How' s Don Juan José doing? Good
- 43:23afternoon, how' s it going. A good taste, Fernando listened to
- 43:28you and gives you the possibility to converse in some way with his magnificent auditorium.
- 43:37Well, thank you very much. Okay. Topic, theme today,
- 43:40song composition. The exchange rate delay. There is, the delay to change
- 43:45or the President being a little rude to deny to Dr Wharesti. Yes,
- 43:51of course, there is a very large, unfortunate, medical, and just
- 44:00going back to the real past, for example, the currency lag that had
- 44:08mass to set an example. There are many others in the history of Argentina.
- 44:13Unfortunately, and that and it is something foreign exchange. Thus, such
- 44:19words seem to have no importance, but infinite. It is very important,
- 44:25because the value of the currency, the world terms, is very important,
- 44:30is essential. The coin, in short, is what allowed the trade and
- 44:37the common life of society to be done. Before there was no good currency,
- 44:45there was no neda society. Everything and everything hard. When it'
- 44:47s bad, it' s easy. But the problem is what the value
- 44:51of the coin is. The value of the coin is, of course,
- 44:54the value you buy with what politics, with what, how much you can
- 45:02obstinate yourself with that coin that you have in your hands. What you can
- 45:06get, how much, when it ends, etcetera, what your sea has.
- 45:09Unfortunately, having it as we do, the value of the currency is
- 45:16absolutely high. The peso is high against the dollar and any other way makes
- 45:23Argentina unable to trade. Everything you have to trade can' t sell abroad.
- 45:31What you have to sell cannot sell internally to the foreigner who visits Argentina
- 45:38as a tourist or visiting the drink for work, for whatever reason, then
- 45:45the only thing that makes the economy sauté. It' s terrible. This
- 45:52I, of course, at the beginning of this artificially raised currency, all
- 46:07seems wonderful, but it exploits how the government has taken advantage of something for
- 46:16two for something. He' s using this kind of change ceiling as an
- 46:22anchor. The anchor would change good for an inflationary reason, not to avoid
- 46:28magislation that I am already as I speak. Is that just something? It
- 46:32' s something I could say. It is for me, for today,
- 46:37the truth and since the economy for many people is simply the sciences of truth,
- 46:44the science of truth of fact. The facts cannot be changed because the
- 46:51economy has a small, not so small defect that sooner or later it tells
- 46:57the truth and tells it what it says detonating then what Argentina is doing.
- 47:04He' s in Argentina, he' s making Argentines go out to buy.
- 47:10Just think of the papers. The enormous number of Chilean people linked to
- 47:19the countries of this country. Let' s say Argentina' s boundaries.
- 47:22It was recently and recently not all the time, about the menthols, juaninos,
- 47:29neukeos, etcetera. They go to Chile here to compa things and then
- 47:35what happens those things, what does not buy them in Argentina? And since
- 47:39they don' t buy them in Argentina, it' s not produced in
- 47:44Argentina and produced in Argentina. Those who produce it close or shrink or in
- 47:51all cases lose employment. Many people lose jobs or lose value in their distribuishor.
- 47:59So, all this, which is apparently good to say, the price
- 48:05index has gone down like this, it has come down on the part of
- 48:15raising its own currency and, in that way, getting the Argentines to go
- 48:23shopping and the scattered come, instead of coming here, buy in their country.
- 48:30In other places you will see the street of the valley of fear that
- 48:34I say the number of people that roamed by so you will destinate that amount.
- 48:40Many of the foreigners today are far less, because there may not have
- 48:45been simply eating with my other thing. In Chile, for example, to
- 48:51give an example, they go with the car' s travastade rubber and return
- 49:00new combas. He' s going to give you an example. There are
- 49:05thousands of cases today. So, the thousands of hotels that are without,
- 49:10without liars, without people coming. It' s terrible. You' re
- 49:19completely wrong. In countries that have had major changes in their economy in favour.
- 49:24It was those countries that set exchange rates almost even higher. No,
- 49:35I mean, they put cas types this let' s say with a very
- 49:49high value capacity and that very high of foreign power and come down here.
- 49:54So, for example, the CIA in Argentina doesn' t know. No
- 49:58one remembers that in nineteen hundred and ninety- nine pardons I am saying there
- 50:05will be one thousand eight hundred ninety- nine, Argentina fixed and ceased the
- 50:10exchange rate by law, a law that spyed on the genius in general Rock
- 50:16and defended Peregrini. Then he established a certain exchange rate that was actually say,
- 50:24a decrease in the value of the coins and it was assessment that no
- 50:37other work. This result of a light of you shopping hazel has services of
- 50:47Argentines and also investments of what the government is doing. I do not want
- 50:54to put myself against the Government or many other positive views remain. I want
- 51:04a defect that has that is serious and legal, because it has already been
- 51:08tested. I don' t know how many times with absolutely negative results and
- 51:15how you' re having us now you' re having it now, because
- 51:22what you can produce here isn' t produced. And the other says look
- 51:22at what happened, because it was all this I see everyone in one that
- 51:27makes Almohadazo Food, Mrs Mitad, I went to reach Mondillo already and I
- 51:34don' t know how it was to speak in people. You don'
- 51:38t know the wonderful exposition you did of everything you could for such Argentina and
- 51:45everything you even believe the truth. But well, ah wonderful I really wanted
- 51:52ice cream. Now it hasn' t been any more, but he didn
- 51:58' t say the exchange rate didn' t encourage any of that. Ah
- 52:04it was small detail. Not sure it was. Excuse me for being rather
- 52:10open to those who were the subject, the issue of exports what I know
- 52:16is that I or degree of all the things they could do to you.
- 52:22Lo. One who did so said that with the gear currently you can'
- 52:28t deport or you can' t import that amount. I stood by because
- 52:35because I say but as the Ministry of that Interior is, it is obviously
- 52:39advocating import, because if it would not show us everything that can be imported.
- 52:46And the mystery or the next one threw, on the contrary, a
- 52:50completely wrong, completely wrong exchange rate from the hand. When he put eight
- 52:57hundred pesos per manbras, he also put a two percent increase, for a
- 53:04month, of that, of that, of that absurd price, against absurd,
- 53:10because he already warned how much he was going to put a coin for
- 53:15the future. And he misannounced, of course, because everything that this unfortunately,
- 53:23was triggered by why the demarcation, if it was given, was given
- 53:29as an air of absurd libertial and all that those who were going to charge
- 53:37one hundred charged one hundred forty things for the century, because it was absurd
- 53:44that the creation of pre- la, the direction of prices at that time,
- 53:50for me not I say of opinion, then I would have obvious,
- 53:55but I would possibly have gently retouched the exchange rate, but with the idea
- 54:05of slowly coming to the truth. Because the truth and all the bad stuff
- 54:08about all this is that this is fictional, it' s not that we
- 54:15look at the coin and that' s the truth and that' s forever.
- 54:20It' s not like that, it' s not like that,
- 54:23it can' t be like that. Argentina has monstrous debts. Argentina has
- 54:28a debt to show unpaid. So he' s permanently renegotiating trying to renegotiate
- 54:35to see how he does not pay or pay a single part that knows what
- 54:40that' s worth. That' s against what' s worth I saw
- 54:46you. What I am going to say is to honour the commitments made.
- 54:52The value of the hard word is the economic number. So, at least,
- 54:57I started mixing good, but forks of Leo, the forks of eddas
- 55:00are paid everything and the retirees were taken out. I don' t know
- 55:05how much. So it is being fulfilled from that point of view with foreigners.
- 55:08He' s fulfilling that like the box, but it' s not
- 55:14reality. It' s clear, well, yeah, because he' s
- 55:16lying reality to the retiree who doesn' t pay or I say jubiga something
- 55:22like he gave to the creditor who doesn' t pay what he owes or
- 55:27we give it to him well, that' s right, energy companies and
- 55:30so on, yeah, yeah, yeah. What you have to go to
- 55:31the truth. Now give me the truth, for to see has to move
- 55:37you to arrive, because it can produce a tremendous collapse and that, perhaps
- 55:45knew the advantage of telling the truth. Okay. But you can' t
- 55:51lie. For example, you can' t tell this in tasco, which
- 55:54is fine. We' re stopping a lot of public works, it'
- 56:00s not going to be named pul or they' re being held. And
- 56:01what good, of course, obviously is not spent. And since it'
- 56:07s not spent, we' re pretending that we' re at the right
- 56:15exchange rate or with the right super hbe situation, yes, the super box.
- 56:23That' s what I should have done. It was, if not
- 56:27for not passing treo vente corrumpe the clear way, but therefore it would have
- 56:31to have separated the bird from the wheat, see what corrupter knew it and
- 56:36not give rise to corruption. But how it' s gonna slow you down
- 56:38the whole public hour. Then they' re going to crash the trains,
- 56:40they' re going to have problems on the routes and more, let'
- 56:45s say yes, but they' re going into microeconomics. If I may,
- 56:47I would say to him that it is one thing to continue a public
- 56:52work and another thing to stop it and then redo it. The cost of
- 56:59remaking a public work stopped or artificially stopped is extremely high. Sure. That
- 57:08is why many people continue their works to a sacrifice thing. I know that
- 57:15you, and that because you know that if it' s worse, if
- 57:21it pays, then it doesn' t start again or it costs you a
- 57:24barbarity to start or who dares to buy it, find it a barbarity and
- 57:32give it a new start. And then, logically, that more public play
- 57:38stopped, at least I didn' t that part. I don' t
- 57:44understand it and I won' t understand it bus when hope, the Argentine
- 57:52experience great, great, the great luo, because before I innocuous to any
- 57:58country of the earth, in nineteen hundred thirty- two, to all in
- 58:04history, Argentina was going through the same world crisis that happened all over the
- 58:09world. Perfect. What Argentina did. He began to do public works,
- 58:15he began to make roads as they had few roads, they had a hundred
- 58:21kilometers of road salfatados, they created national highways and began to make way that
- 58:28made roads more lacking to me each year. It is clear that this was
- 58:35done by the Argentines, before the animals were thought, before the British,
- 58:40the Americans, before the book of Lord Kins, where it says that all
- 58:51these works bring as a result in a moment in the occupation, occupation of
- 59:01the people. Well, Argentina won over everyone, everyone and even in the
- 59:07labor department. I Justillano read that I was the president of national road,
- 59:12said little we will occupy many people and was created short, because where there
- 59:17is a twelve Chris Cho chant immensely the people that I stayed short of time,
- 59:24but gectivity whatever, I was short of time. So I didn'
- 59:30t touch firing him. It' s almost five o' clock and we
- 59:31' ll say goodbye. Thank you so much, as I always am.
- 59:34Eh well, a big hug and big greetings to everyone and let' s
- 59:37move, because we start doing public works the way it goes, even if
- 59:43it' s partnering with all those people. Well, that' s what
- 59:47we see We' re back and for your good health. Thank you Juan
- 59:49José, my big hug friend, Juan José Guarez, that Dr Juan José
- 59:52Guareste, grandson here in plural construction. We' re leaving. Thank you,
- 59:54Juan. Tomorrow at 4 o' clock we' ll be back with
- 59:57Julio Burman and we' ll like him. It was Rari Walfelson, by
- 59:59By By Bai or S S. S. S.