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S4 #5 Heroes & Villains · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey everybody, this is the been An
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  Speaker 1: Ashley I almost there this podcast, but you've got half
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  Speaker 1: of me today. I am so sick. I've got the flu.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're if I sound stuffy, if I'm coughing
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  Speaker 1: over the mic, forgive me. Um. But we you know
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  Speaker 1: Ari doesn't stop dating, so we're not going to keep
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  Speaker 1: stopped talking. This is so sad, like there's like a
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  Speaker 1: flu epidemic. It's actually insane. I don't want it. I
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  Speaker 1: got I got a shot and you didn't get a shot.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to know why so many people out
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  Speaker 1: there don't get shots. I mean, I know it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: fully prevent it, but it means it increases your odds
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  Speaker 1: of being saved. You really want to know. So I
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  Speaker 1: am not a conspiracy theorist at all. I really am not.
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  Speaker 1: I have one theory that I have always had since
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  Speaker 1: I was a little kid, I mean since I was
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  Speaker 1: in elementary school. I fought this. I believe that if
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a mass sickness spread across in the world,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be through the flu shot. And I
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  Speaker 1: would rather build up my immune system by not getting
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  Speaker 1: the flu shot, been getting it. So I'll take getting
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  Speaker 1: sick every year for four or five days as long
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  Speaker 1: as internally I am as healthy as I can be.
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  Speaker 1: So like zombie Apocalypse, like you think the walking Dad's
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen from flu shots? Yeah, and just wait till
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  Speaker 1: that happens. And I'm laughing at everybody because I've never
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  Speaker 1: gotten a flu shot. But hey, Ben, what about like
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  Speaker 1: other vaccines? Are you very like Jenny McCarthy about it?
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  Speaker 1: Are you just not not down with vaccines? Not really?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I go to Central America all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd never get take any of the like malaria medication.
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  Speaker 1: I never I don't take a lot of medication. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably your responsive to me, And I really don't
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  Speaker 1: know why. I though, I just feel like if something's
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen, it's gonna happen, saying anyway, Okay, that cool,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I think that anyway, moving on, so you think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell everybody about what's going on. So Ashley
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  Speaker 1: is so nervous about this, and I want to tell
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  Speaker 1: you that it's really endearing because my co host cares
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  Speaker 1: so much about everybody listens to this show that we
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  Speaker 1: have a really big segment that we're going to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And the only thing she's worried about through text emails
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  Speaker 1: and offsos be prepared for this podcast was, Hey, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta warned everybody that we're gonna be slightly spoiling the
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  Speaker 1: ending of this year's backs. They're not fully spoilant, but
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what happens because it became public,
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  Speaker 1: and so now because of actually, I want to warn
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  Speaker 1: everybody for the next five minutes, we're gonna be slightly
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  Speaker 1: spoiling the ending. So if you don't want to listen,
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  Speaker 1: pose it and tune back in after this small segment.
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  Speaker 1: A spoiler. Spoiler, now hold on things a spoiler because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fans we're tweeting, tweeting, yeah, tweeting this
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  Speaker 1: theory towards me the spoiler whatever you wanna call it.
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  Speaker 1: And I even gotta know what. I was like, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep this season secret because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know Ari whatsoever, and I don't even know well other
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  Speaker 1: than Bibby and Lauren g you don't know anyone on
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  Speaker 1: his season. So I was like, this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the perfect season for me to not have to
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  Speaker 1: know what goes down the last episode. But here's the theory, guys.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the spoiler. Okay, ready, you have five seconds. One.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to name names. I don't name I
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  Speaker 1: still don't know names. This is what how I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to keep this secret to myself or this is it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be spoiled because I am not going
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  Speaker 1: to know these two girls names apparently, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know our source on this. Who's our source on this? Amy, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't reveal your source, that's the point I okay,
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  Speaker 1: well not always. So our secret source is revealing that
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  Speaker 1: Ari pulls a Jason Mesnick and he picks one girl
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  Speaker 1: in the finale and now is currently with another girl. Ben,
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  Speaker 1: do you think about this? I mean, I heard he
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  Speaker 1: pulled a Jason Mesnick and I also heard he he
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  Speaker 1: pulled a jerk move like that. Ben Higgins, Fella, we
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  Speaker 1: know that that is a fact he Ari has admitted.
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  Speaker 1: He says I love you to two people, or he
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  Speaker 1: fell in love with two people. Okay, so this is
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  Speaker 1: very confusing having seen the fact that you got for that,
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  Speaker 1: it's shocking that he did it. Yeah, I'm pretty shocked
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  Speaker 1: to a poor guy. UM So, here's what happens. Let
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  Speaker 1: me run everybody through this. Uh. During the season, it
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  Speaker 1: was revealed early on, Are actually revealed it himself that
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  Speaker 1: he fell in love with more than one woman. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to speak on that for a second. I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I obviously Uh did the same thing. I
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  Speaker 1: would say that it wasn't something that I felt was
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  Speaker 1: beneficial long term to my relationship. I actually kind of
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  Speaker 1: wish that I would have just communicated those feelings a
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  Speaker 1: little differently. I wouldn't have told both women, even though
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  Speaker 1: I was feeling a certain way towards both women. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but let's focus on Ari, because the last thing I
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  Speaker 1: want to do is focused on myself in this. Um
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  Speaker 1: So Are falls in love with more than one woman?
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  Speaker 1: He woman, he tells both women. Um, yes, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to get slacked for it. I am surprised that that
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  Speaker 1: came out, because you would think he would learn from
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  Speaker 1: his mistake. But from what I hear, Are didn't really
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  Speaker 1: watch my season, so I don't even know if he
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  Speaker 1: knew the repercussions of what could happen. I get the
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  Speaker 1: honesty that he was trying to communicate and There's one
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  Speaker 1: thing actually that you and I have always said about
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  Speaker 1: Ri from the beginning of the season is he's been
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  Speaker 1: very authentic and genuine. Even for his fault on maybe
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  Speaker 1: not being as charismatic as we like or as funny
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  Speaker 1: or is engaging, He's always been authentic and genuine, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what he was doing in communicating his love. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't see a problem with telling two people
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  Speaker 1: you love them. It seems almost logical with the way
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  Speaker 1: this show goes. The pro problem with it is, and Ben,
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  Speaker 1: you can maybe attest to this is the girl is
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  Speaker 1: like forever more upset about it. Right. I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's totally normal to fall in love with two people.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the saying out loud that that they
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  Speaker 1: get in trouble for, Like, why did you have to
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  Speaker 1: say it out loud? You know, just feel it and
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  Speaker 1: feeling eventually you'll be able to let it go. Joe,
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  Speaker 1: Joe is not upset you told her you loved her.
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  Speaker 1: It was only I think she probably was. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think. I don't think Jojoe cares very much at all,
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  Speaker 1: not anymore, not anymore. I think I think he's pretty happy.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I think saying it out loud is rough.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the situation, and I explained it a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times, and I don't know if I've ever been
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  Speaker 1: able to explain it well. Is You've gone through this
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  Speaker 1: whole experience. You fought off feelings, you've developed feelings, You've
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  Speaker 1: fought off emotion the whole time. And at the end
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  Speaker 1: of it, you see the light at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the tunnel, and the light looks good, the light looks exciting,
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  Speaker 1: light looks fun. For the first time in three months,
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna have to break up with anybody. And
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  Speaker 1: so you sit here at the very end of this
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  Speaker 1: whole experience, and you're so thankful that there's two women
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  Speaker 1: do you care a lot about? Who has fought with you?
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  Speaker 1: Who is stat beside you, who who has watched you
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  Speaker 1: kiss other women? And the whole time you're sitting here thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I am so incredibly lucky, And yes, I might have
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  Speaker 1: a stronger feeling towards one of these women. I might
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  Speaker 1: know that one of these women are probably going to
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  Speaker 1: be my wife, or at least I hope there are
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  Speaker 1: not going to be my wife. But I feel a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I feel like I should communicate fully what
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  Speaker 1: I feel for the other ones, just so they know.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I was giving and when I said
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  Speaker 1: that to Jojo, I almost felt like I was giving
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  Speaker 1: her validation. I don't know or not or if it
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  Speaker 1: was even my job to do this. I just felt
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  Speaker 1: like I was giving her validation and trying to tell her, Jojo,
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  Speaker 1: what we've done together, what you've done for me through
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  Speaker 1: this is very real and very special, and I need
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  Speaker 1: you to know that because I don't know if I'll
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  Speaker 1: ever get the opportunity to tell you this again. See, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: way to figure out, like you should definitely think say
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to figure out. I didn't tell her, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna propose you. Hey, I'm gonna marry you. What
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  Speaker 1: I was telling her is hey, like in any other
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  Speaker 1: given world when there's not somebody else here, like, I
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  Speaker 1: need you to know how much I care about you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was smart to me. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think communicating it was the right decision. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that I don't regret it, because I feel like at
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  Speaker 1: least afterwards Joe, Joe knew how I felt, and that
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  Speaker 1: she said, Okay, I have a little bit of respect
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  Speaker 1: for men, but I don't think I would communicate it,
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  Speaker 1: just like I all right, don't communicate your feelings, buddy
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  Speaker 1: holding in. Don't be an idiot like the other loser
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  Speaker 1: that did this. I don't. I think we're concentrating a
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  Speaker 1: little bit too much on the I love you and
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  Speaker 1: not the huge. So here's something for everybody to think about.
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  Speaker 1: When I heard about this, I rewatched Jason Mesnicks after
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  Speaker 1: the final never seen Jason Mesnick season, So maybe I
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  Speaker 1: should go hit up iTunes and watch this. Yes you
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  Speaker 1: all have. Everybody listening should go just YouTube or iTunes
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  Speaker 1: or whatever you have to do to watch his after
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  Speaker 1: the final rows. Because he actually told Melissa they were
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  Speaker 1: basically done. I think she kind of knew, but he
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  Speaker 1: told Molly Live like she had no idea. Molly Mesnick
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  Speaker 1: is the one he ends up marrying, so he she
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. On the after the final Rose she was
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  Speaker 1: now going to be asked if he could date her instead.
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  Speaker 1: Correct she comes out. I was like, way, because I
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  Speaker 1: just rewatched it because I remember it. But then now
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. She comes out to
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  Speaker 1: sit down to think she's just going to talk to
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  Speaker 1: him about like breaking up. Wait, Ben, did you watch it?
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  Speaker 1: I have so much to stay bout this, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: let you too, kind of thick her back and forth
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  Speaker 1: because I can tell actually is so excited about this
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  Speaker 1: that like, so I'm not going to get a word
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  Speaker 1: in for a second. So whatever you guys are doing.
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  Speaker 1: So Molly comes out and Mesnick tells her like, I
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  Speaker 1: ended things with Melissa because I have feelings for you,
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  Speaker 1: and she like can't talk, like she just sort of
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  Speaker 1: sits there, like, huh, smiling. She's obviously not like devastated,
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  Speaker 1: she's sort of smiling shocked where she's like but and
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  Speaker 1: at one point she says, I dreamed of this, but
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  Speaker 1: like like an actual dream or just like a hope dream. Kay,
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  Speaker 1: I like that a hope dream, lots of hope dreams.
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  Speaker 1: So she's like and then she's like, I never stopped
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  Speaker 1: having feelings. And they have this awkward conversation and it's
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  Speaker 1: so much silence, and Chris Harrison just lets the silence,
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  Speaker 1: just lingering, Oh, this is so crazy. So Melissa is
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  Speaker 1: off stage. She gone like she has been dumped, and
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  Speaker 1: she gone, she did he break up with her on
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  Speaker 1: the show? But I think on the show. But I
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  Speaker 1: think she knew I was like trouble. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't rewatch that. How in the world did he
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  Speaker 1: go along with this? Like I'm judging him as a
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  Speaker 1: human for being okay about one dumping and girl on
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  Speaker 1: live TV and then two asking for another girl back.
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  Speaker 1: He thought he had no other option. He hadn't spoken
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  Speaker 1: to Molly because I don't. They're like, we're never giving
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  Speaker 1: you her number. You will never be gun right there?
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  Speaker 1: So he this is like probably he thinks in his head,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just guessing, making this up. But
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  Speaker 1: I thought instead, like, this is my moment I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell her. Maybe, like Ben is saying with us,
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  Speaker 1: all as I love you is I don't know? And
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  Speaker 1: now they've been married for like eight years? How insane.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is it did work out, okay, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: share with us. I'm glad I predicted the fact that
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't get a word in because for the last
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  Speaker 1: three minutes I timed this, it was three minutes no way.
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  Speaker 1: Yet what p s A guys are spoiler alert is
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  Speaker 1: going a little bit over time. So if you still
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  Speaker 1: don't want to know spoilers password a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep listening. It's not a spoiler. Actually, I have
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  Speaker 1: a feeling that this is going to be a huge
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  Speaker 1: storyline in the show. Yeah, do you think they're going
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  Speaker 1: to make it. They think they're going to make it
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  Speaker 1: known at it, I will say, my source said, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a deep inside Oh I know. It is the
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  Speaker 1: most dramatic ending in a decade. So what the reason
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it is I think people
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  Speaker 1: should watch so they see it, so that when it happens,
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  Speaker 1: we can all talk about like, well there was a sign. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. My sister, who you know, she's always going
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  Speaker 1: to like at the show, but she's like, now I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be even more invested in the show because
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to look for clues and it's just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be so juicy. It's horrible for the two girls involved
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  Speaker 1: and maybe are, but it's such good tv for us.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait now that that. Yeah, that spends time
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to talk. Okay, thank you guys listening
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  Speaker 1: to YouTube. I really could just listen to YouTube the
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  Speaker 1: whole time. It's like me listening to your podcast. It's
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  Speaker 1: really great. Um, Hey, so I talked to Jason Mesnick
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  Speaker 1: this week. Actually, so Jason. This is so crazy because
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  Speaker 1: Jason is one of the most respect respectable people I
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  Speaker 1: thing to ever do the franchise. I really like Jason.
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  Speaker 1: He's been so good to me. I've done a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things with him since my time as the Bachelor.
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  Speaker 1: So I called Jason and and I talked to him
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  Speaker 1: just because I didn't really know what's going on. He hasn't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fully been aware of what's happening. And all
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  Speaker 1: the tone I got from him, you didn't talk about
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  Speaker 1: this forever was gusting. It Like now I have to
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  Speaker 1: get thrown back into this whole world ship Like he's
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  Speaker 1: out of it, he's done. And I think, actually he
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  Speaker 1: made a great point, like how in the world did
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  Speaker 1: they get Jason to do this? I asked the same
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  Speaker 1: question because Jason really is somebody that lives above reproach
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  Speaker 1: of the show, Like he did this show to meet somebody,
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  Speaker 1: to find a wife, to find a partner for life,
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  Speaker 1: and he did that. I mean to take everything else
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  Speaker 1: out of the considerations. He found his partner, which we
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  Speaker 1: have to celebrate, and it's one of the most celebrated
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  Speaker 1: couples in the franchise. However, they did. He did do
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  Speaker 1: this on TV um and I think for that he
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  Speaker 1: will always always have to be called back in and
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  Speaker 1: we'll always have to get his opinion an in situation
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  Speaker 1: similar to that. I think that's a hilarious it's it's
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  Speaker 1: really great. It's really great TV. And I just need
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  Speaker 1: to say one more thing before we move on. It
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  Speaker 1: does seem like this situation will be different than the
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  Speaker 1: Mesnic situation in the way that I do believe that
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  Speaker 1: Ari probably switch a rude them off camera like that
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  Speaker 1: We're not gonna see from what I'm hearing, I see
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it. We're going to see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it on the actual series or on the after
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  Speaker 1: the final rose. I don't know. I can't I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I can't answer that. There's some things that can't answer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay already, but I do love what Ben saying that
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  Speaker 1: Mesnic was like clean from this, and he is so
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  Speaker 1: sucked back in, not only sucked back in, it's called
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  Speaker 1: pulling a Mesnic. Yeah, it's actually it's so bad for him.
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  Speaker 1: I really I feel bad for Jason because he is
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  Speaker 1: married with kids, and I'm sure his wife is not
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  Speaker 1: thrilled about the idea of him coming back on the
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  Speaker 1: show and her reliving it. I remember at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of this season even Emily Maynard had a tweet that said,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot wait to you no longer pick anybody from
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  Speaker 1: my my seasons be married with kids. She doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to see herself kissing. You can never escape it. You
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  Speaker 1: know about Molly that she does a radio show for
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  Speaker 1: I Heeart Radio too. That's right, she's like our she's
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  Speaker 1: our colleague if yeah, sorry, okay, Molly. Molly is such
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  Speaker 1: a strong, like self confident woman to just be married
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  Speaker 1: to a guy who proposed to somebody else because he
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  Speaker 1: thought he liked the other one more in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Like how how tough do you have to be emotionally
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  Speaker 1: to like accept that your husband one time wanted another
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  Speaker 1: woman over you. I know that is kind of a
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  Speaker 1: great topic. Yeah, you should ask her. Maybe she liked
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  Speaker 1: him so much, she was just so happy, Like whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I got him in the end. I guess who cares
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  Speaker 1: if you get it in the end, that matter? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And she got him for real? Yeah, well it sumb
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  Speaker 1: this up. Okay. So here's the thing before I move
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  Speaker 1: on the neck is this is going to be one
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  Speaker 1: of the most dramatic endings of any Bachelor's season ever.
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  Speaker 1: And I think all of our listeners out there, if
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  Speaker 1: you're a Bachelor fan, which I don't know why you
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  Speaker 1: listen to this podcast or not, uh, you're in for
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  Speaker 1: a really exciting season. But I also want to remind everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and I always seem to do this in defense of Ari,
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  Speaker 1: in defense of the show, and defense of the women involved,
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  Speaker 1: that this is real emotions being um being felt here.
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  Speaker 1: There's real things happening, no matter what his feelings where
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  Speaker 1: we have to give Ari credit that he followed this part,
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  Speaker 1: but we also have to feel for the women involved
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  Speaker 1: because somebody's heart has been broken and somebody's heart is
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: now confused because they're saying, Ari, how in the world
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: did you choose somebody else originally over me? So with
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that said, I want to remind all the listeners this
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: might be fun to watch, it might need ramagic to watch.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: We might, you know, cover our eyes and awkwardness at
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the finale of the show, but remember, these are real people.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: This is a real stories could this could be the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the start of somebody's life, and it could define their
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: life justlike it's defined asans and so as I talked
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: to Jason this week. We gotta feel for the guy.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: He's married with kids and he's gonna have to come
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: back on and relive one of the most awkward moments
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: of his life. Alright, guys, we have a very exciting guest.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: She was definitely a fan favorite in the first three
• 17:14
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• 17:17
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• 17:21
  Speaker 1: with her. Her name is Viviana. She's spicy, and she's emotional,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and she's a kid gass girl, and I'm so excited
• 17:27
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• 19:40
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  Speaker 1: Realized quickly that there's not a lot for me on there.
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  Speaker 1: But here's what I decided to do. I decided to
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  Speaker 1: my friends are and so I bought a ton of
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  Speaker 1: Ben that's so cute. I'm going to a baby shower
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  Speaker 1: to spend quite a bit of time with this spicy, awesome,
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  Speaker 1: incredibly fun person with almost famous podcast. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: fighting guys. You're so excited to have you here. Everybody
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: was so upset that you left week three because we
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: did not get enough Babiana. So of course the smart
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Bachelor producers were like, this girl is getting on Winter Games. Yeah,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for that. Um baby that has Astley said,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: actually has been so excited to have you on this
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: podcast podcast because, believe me, she loves you so much.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I love you as well. I think you were great.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I watch you on The Bachelor, actually after I got
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to know you on Winter Games, and I've always been
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a huge fan of you, and I was actually even
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: a bigger fan after watching you on the Bachelor because
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I felt like you spoke truth. Now, yeah, I gotta
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: be honest. You spoke truth, sometimes very direct and very harshly,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: but you spoke truth the whole time. So I didn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: learn a little bit of truth right now about what
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you think so far of this dison of the batchelor
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: after you've left. Um, she's speechless. Yeah, so okay. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: mean for me, it was just like obviously I struggled
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, I just didn't really get a chance
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to get to know Ri. So it's really good to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: see now that you know there's much more than just
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: kissing and you're getting to see that, like especially with
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this episode. Um, I'm just what's really taking me back
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is just like, well back this age, right. I didn't
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: mean my time there. I didn't even know how old. Yeah,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I mean I knew was young, but I never I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: never sat down to be like, yeah, how old are you?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: You know, like that wasn't a thing for me. No,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I mean you can tell that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: she just surprises me so much in every episode. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I never even knew you would have you would have
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: never known that she had such a strong connection with
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this guy. Um, she's really smart. She has like a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: little bit of this old soul she knows. She just
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: does so well, and like it's really uncomfortable when you're
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: just like with all the cameras, it's it's not that easying,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like from night one, she was just really comfortable with him. Um,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think that her age is an issue at all.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: She's but I think she makes up for her age
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: with her confidence. Honestly, I think as actually and I've
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: talked in the podcast, take her age at the consideration here,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't really matter. She just has She
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: exudes a confidence that I haven't seen on this show
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in a long time. I agree, Um, I don't think
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that her age is an issue at on. I think
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that she kind of either when he is concerned, she
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: knows how to just put him in his place, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: just to kind of reassure him that, you know, age
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: is really nothing but a number, and that confidence is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: just she surprises me every episode. I'm just like wow,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: because just so I think that you thought Becca was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: cool even when you were in her presence. Yeah. Is
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: there anyone on this show that it's coming across differently
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: on TV than you experience in the house. M hm No. Interesting,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Well that that leads us into something that I mean,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you know, one thing Astley has always said about you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: be beana to my on the podcast, and also uh
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and and private is she know she respects you so
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: much because if you're confident and in your ability to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: communicate your feelings, well, Um, one one situation, kind of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the way we we best got to know you on
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor is through your relationship with Crystal, And so
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: kind of all of want to ask you this question
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: there after now watching a few weeks after you've left
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and seeing more of Crystal, is this a surprise to
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you the person that she's coming off as or is
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: this who you knew during the show. Um, it doesn't
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: surprise me, but it's not the person that I saw.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Like I never had an issue with Crystal ever. Um,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: it's not like I didn't like her or um she
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was like that with me at all. I just felt
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the need to kind of just I kind of became
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like this protector over the girls, and everybody was really
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: frustrated with her, and I spoke a lot of truth
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and she clearly. I mean, you would think that someone
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: confronting her that early on would be would have been
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like a good kind of like a hint like hate.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: People are already feeling this way, like maybe you should
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: fall back a little bit. Um, But she's she's not. Um,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And I understand, and I respect the fact that she's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: there for Ari I do. I totally see that. But
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you know, you are in this really unique um situation
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and environment with all these other women that are trying,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: like other women are really trying to be respectful. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: when you have that one person that's just like not cooperating,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it just you know, you're seeing that a lot now,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you know where it's just people are really starting to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: get frustrated. I don't know if I wouldn't been able
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to hang on that long, I was gonna say that, Actually,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you have always been somebody that I think has kept
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: their cool through this whole franchise. You've know' listen, yeah, no,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you showed emotion and you've gotten upset, but you've also
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: been able to logically kind of see everything for what
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it is. Um I want to hear, and I know
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Crystal's kind of rubbed you at times the wrong way
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: during the season, and not her personally. We're not let's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: not attack Crystal personally, but her behavior and the things
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: she's doing. I want to kind of live it up
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: to YouTube as women who have done this show what
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: kind of causes that or what kind of rubbed you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the wrong way about her behavior. Well, I definitely think
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it was condescending. I think she always thought that she
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: was the top of the girl gang, like she was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the number one and like everybody else was kind of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: runner up to her. And then there are some weird
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: things that make you a villain in the house. One
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of those is not telling the girls the standus of
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: your relationship, like coming home from a date and being like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you know, that's private between us. That's like number one
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: rule of becoming a villain. Um. There's another thing, her
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: pity party, staying home from the date. That was where
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, uh, and when she interrupted the rose ceremony.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Those are my two things where I'm like you, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: can't even like you. I've been trying. Yeah, I I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: completely agree that, Like I can respect someone not feeling
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: comfortable sharing all the details of a date like you
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: don't have, Like that's just not a comfortable thing, Like
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: if that's what she felt she needed to do, Like
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that didn't rub me the wrong way, now, no, it was.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's more just what you just said, like
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: interrupting the role ceremony, like that's not fair to everybody else,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not supposed to be. I get
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the whole idea, like she's just trying to talk to him,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: but that conversation didn't need to happen. Okay. Another way
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of becoming a villain is probably making sneaky ways to
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: get alone time when you're not supposed to have one.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So hence, you know, interrupting a rose ceremony in my season,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Kelsey faked or something, a fainting spell, like it's just
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: trying to get the attention of the bachelor in a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: way that is not conventional. Bugged me. It's like, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: don't care she grabs him first, or grabs him eight times.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: In fact, a ten year old last night said to me,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Crystal, the one who takes all the time
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: steal time stealer. That's a villain. They can handle that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But when she interrupted the rose room, and it's like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't everybody want to do that? Why are you special?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: You gotta like follow the rules kind What obviously was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: worse than interrupting the rose ceremony was her being a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: total diva when it came to skipping out on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: group date because Ari was a liar. Well, here's most
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in all three of you should already have gone up
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to her room. I think absolutely not. That was giving
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: into what she was hoping was going to happen. That
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was that. But I think he was just doing a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: respectful thing. I don't know, I don't know if that's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: respectful to the other girls. I think that was giving
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: her exactly what she planned on getting from that move.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think it was a yeah, sorry, no, UM. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: think you can start to see how she's beginning to manipulate.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And I just I don't think that it was wrong
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of him to go up and talk to her, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and check in UM. I mean, he was really honest
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: with the women and was like, I don't want it
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to affect the ninth So it's something that he needed
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to address. UM. And I kind of heres that to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: me was I didn't I didn't get a chance to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: talk to Rits. I didn't know like a lot about him,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and to see him kind of handle that was do
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: we attracted to me? Because he's just like, let me
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: go up and talk to her, and even the way
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that he liked their conversation and you know, everything he said.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I thought that that was good of him to kind
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of just let her know, like, this is not cool,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and then he's like, you need to stay
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in your room. Yeah, yeah, I'll see you in a
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: couple of days. He was a couple of days. So
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: then I have a question. Did she go then down
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to the party but never saw Ari? Yeah? So she
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: did end up going down to the party and Becca
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: like scared her? What? And then she only showed up
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: for a brief time until Yeah, I guess Becca was like,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? You said you weren't going
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to come? Okay? Yah? Um? Can we talked about Winter Games? Now? Yeah?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. Bibby. You left Ari season.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You didn't really like Ari, right, you just didn't. Yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I mean it's just I can't. I didn't. I didn't
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: get to know him, you know, so you threw some
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: mad shit on him on Instagram? What do you think
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of Nick Vile's name for you? No chill? No? I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: love it? Yeah, that's like what That's what Nick says
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to me? And I'm like, Nick, do you really want
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a girl with chill? Those are they're boring? I he
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: nailed it though, when his girls, Like I knew that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I was no Chill, but I didn't really realize how intense. Like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just such an intense human being. And it's kind
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of when you finally see yourself and your personally like
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: on TV, you're just like, oh, that's what my best
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: friend says that, Like my eyes get crazy, and then
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just like you speak with this intensity. I'm just oh, gosh,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that's what my dad, you know, my dad. My dad
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: was like how my first season or like every season,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: my Dad's like, why is she still there? How is
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: she still there? You? Yeah, Like she's so dramatic, like
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: how is this guy? I like saying though she learned
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: something about herself that other people had maybe pointed out
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to her that she didn't believe until she watched it. Yeah,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I don't mind, no Chill. I mean, you've got to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: own it. You know, it's my personality. And I can
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: sit here and be like kind of just shut off
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: about it, but really it's just it shines and I'm like, Okay,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: well I'm no Chill, and maybe I just need to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: meditate and pray a little bit more. It just means
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you're passionate and your vocal about it. Yeah, alright, so
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: maybe we obviously got to spend some time. Uh. You know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: actually I get spend some time with you at Winter Games.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I really respected you and Ashley had a very uh
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: let's just say this Winner game is gonna be a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: lot of fun. There's some great relationships with form and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you would actually have a situation that comes up during
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Winter Games that could have completely destroyed your friendship, but
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the two of you handled it so well. And I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: think and and to to be very vague here, this
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: situation happens in the real world a lot, and they
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: oftentimes destroys friendships. But the two of you, I think,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: build a relationship around this common interest during Winter Games. Bibby,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: how close do you feel that actually based on that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: experience during Winter Games, I mean we instantly connected and bonded.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like we come from the same planet. Yeah. Um,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's so important to just be
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: completely open with people. And I think a lot of
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the times when you're just not vocal about where your
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: feelings are at, it leads others to just like it
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: leaves it to the imagination, right, So I wanted to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: make sure that we tackle this head on. And you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like if she was seeing a certain way that she
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: was always honest with me, and we continuously kept checking
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in with each other and seeing where we were at.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And I was really happy that she spoke up because
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the first you know, obviously she's she's like friends with
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: all the guys, and that's intimidating as well. And so
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the first few days we didn't really get a chance
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to talk about at it. And then as time went on,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I it was just good to see, like
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: we it's easier really, like if you just if women
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: were to talk to each other more, they probably just
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: like get through so much. Um. Yeah, you allowed me
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to be so open with it. Yeah, I think it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: just and then you see, right, so like as we
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: were talking, I don't know, I can I don't. I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm saying too much, but like we
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: would talk about it, and you could tell like her
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: relationship was forming a lot more and I wasn't feeling
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it either. You know, I think this is a quite No,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's perfect, it's fine. You feel just feel comfortable. Well,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: everything is good here. I want to ask the two
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of you then to talk about it, um because man
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: or woman, what you two did is a very difficult thing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: So I want to leave it up to YouTube. Why
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: were you two so open with each other? Why did
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you choose to communicate in the way that you did?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Because I respected it and I felt like it because
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of the decisions you made and then I'll stop your
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: if they don't want to speak for you. It allowed
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: less conflict to enter in. So why did the two
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: of you decide to communicate the way you did. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: just think that we hit it off so immediately, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: on day one, that I knew that she would giving
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you one of my closest girlfriends in the house. And
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: maybe it's like not easily angered. Actually, she's just like
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: such an emotional person that you can just talk to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: her about anything, and you think that the normal person
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: would be like, okay, wait what and then she doesn't
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: react like that at all. Maybe that's that's if that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the priding to hear because you are fiery, you are
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: intense and actually sitting over there saying that you're not
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: easily angered. And I think for most most of the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: viewers out there and the listeners this podcast, they would
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: associate no chill with anger. She puts you are you
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: not easily angered? She puts girl friends first. She really
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: is like girl power, really girl power. Um, I don't
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know, And this is how I explain it to people, Like,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you're not going to see every detail of you know
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: what of my night during that road ceremony right where
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Crystal and I kind of just had our like things,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: but because there's so much more going on that you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: people need to see as well. So like me getting
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: to that point came from somewhere. You know. It wasn't
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just like I snapped. It wasn't that. It was just
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a build up and a series of things that had
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: happened that I felt strongly like to just tell Crystal
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: what was happening. And yeah, I was. I was really
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: angry and I could have taken I could have killed
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a lot um But for me, like when you're continuously
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: talking to each other and being open and vulnerable, like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you just see that you're I don't know, I just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I connected with Ashley and I always wanted her to
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable around me, and by not talking, that's when
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you kind of shut people off. And I am someone
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: who puts um my girlfriend's first, you know, I think
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that it's extremely important too to just it's like a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: girl power thing. It's really it's a girl power things
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you put. You very much respect women and their feelings. Yeah,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and I definitely do. And and I think it's super
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: nice that actually is just saying like, I'm not this
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like angry person. I actually I take my time. Um,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: even my relationships. I'm so open. I'm such an open
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: person Like communication to me is the most important thing,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: because then how do you build a foundation and a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: friendship or anything, you know. So I'm I'm so happy
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that I gained a friend. Yeah, I mean that's pretty good.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: With my last question, then it's Ashley and Vidriana YouTube
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: obviously had a very personal experience at Winter Games. Why
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: are you excited for our listeners out there and for
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the fans of the bachor now to watch Winter Games?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: What about Winter Games meant so much to you two? Um,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I'm most excited. Uh. I think that I was a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: lot more of myself at Winter Games. It was comfortable,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I was comfortable. We had such a good time. Um.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And I think that people will see that, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I think people see that I'm not just like just
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: fiery um over the opinionated woman. I also know how
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to have fun and goof around and you know, can
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: just have a good time and be myself. So I'm
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: really excited to see how it all plays out. So
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that I like the way
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that you can see two girls just really support each other,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: um before anyone else. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what I saw in the two
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: of you as you support each other. You're communicated with
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: each other in a situation that is formed to cause
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: unflicked and it is formed jealousy. You two fought through
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that and you rose above it. And for me, as
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a friend of both of you, I really respected that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and I learned a lot from the way you treated
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: each other. So I'm excited for people to watch from
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: their games because they're gonna see conflict, they're gonna see
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the drama, they're gonna see the relationships. They're going to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: see the excitement and the intrigue of what a Bachelor's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: show brings. But they're also going to see two people
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: right above it all and say, Okay, we want what's
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: best for each other here, and that's what you two did. Yeah. Thanks,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: when you really put that, well, yeah, thank you, Amy, Amy.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I know that you have talked to you know, the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: producers of the Winter Games. I know you that you
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: know a lot of what's going on there. What are
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you excited for people to watch about Winter Games? What
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: do you excide to watch all? Y'all? I just like watching,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you know. I think one thing the reason Paradise is
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: so successful is we're watching people we already have gotten
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to know. It is a lot more fun to watch
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: when we know you guys. Somewhat the hardest part about
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Bachelor is I'm like, who is that? Who is that?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Who is that? Who is that? So that's why those
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: spinoff shows are so enjoyable, because we're watching friends or
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: people we already hate, are people we already like, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: it makes it way better. Yeah, I totally agree. What's
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: going to be? Um? What's going to be? I have
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to have a little preview. Um. The people that I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: worked with over at ABC for The Bachelor Instagram they
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: said that they got to watch the first episode a
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and the girls were like running
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: up and down the cubicle hallways being like Batchlor Winter
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Games is the best Batchelor spinoff ever. They're like, we
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: promised we weren't saying that because we're biased. Ords you like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it's actually fantastic. Oh that's yeah, right, you guys kill it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I mean you're a great representation during Winter Games of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: how this whole show can actually be real, it can
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: actually be good, it can be beneficial, and it represents
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: at some level what life could look like outside of
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the show. So I think Amy speak as she said,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: something that really resonated me. And what I loved about
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: being on Win our game is there's people from all
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: of the world, people we don't quite know yet that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: come in to Vermont and they experienced something, um that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of us has gotten experience before a Bachelor's
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: spinoff show. However, for them they're new to it. We
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: get to meet them, we get the For some of us,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: we get to build relationships with them. And I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it's going to be so exciting for the fans of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor here in the United States to see how
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: awesome some of the contestants from all of the world
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: are as well. Yeah, it's it's truly a demonstration of
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: utity and love. As they like to say. Yeah, I agree,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: all right, Babby, thank you so much for joining us today.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: That was clean and emotional talk. I really just feel
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: like we haven't been broadcasting, but we love you so
• 40:53
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• 40:55
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  Speaker 1: You want to be left out? Guys? We have a
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  Speaker 1: villain here. A villain is right next to me. He's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: here to talk about the other villain that we're familiar
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: with right now, which is Crystal and her authenticity as
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a as a true villain. Chad, Chad Johnson, what's come on, guys?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Nice to have you back here. Yeah, thanks for having me.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Your teeth are insanely white, sleep in it? What okay?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I just got some trays dr cupcakes. Set me up
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: with some zoom something. You know that you know the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in the in dental office, he's still actually a dentist.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I thought he was like doing TV talking now No, no,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: he goes on the doctor sometimes, but he is an
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: actual dentist. And your teeth, he said that my teeth
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: can get any waiter, And now I know that that's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a lie, Saint nuts Chad, what do you think about Crystal?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Is she a true villain? Is she too? Is she
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is she authentic in the way she's truly evil? Is
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it all an act? I was gonna say before we
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: hop in, and I just want to say congrats to Ben.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I see all the stuff you've been doing with the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: people in Honduras. That's really cool and yeah, for sure,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: man and um also, you know, congrats to you on
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the Winter Games, as it's both of us. But anyway, yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I you know, I'll be the first to say that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: when I first saw Crystal, I called her out. Like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: we we were videoing. I was with you know, my
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: manager here, and we were videoing me doing a little
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like commentary about the show, and before anybody else has
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: seen it, I was like, she's fake. Everything she's doing
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: is planned out, and she's going through all the bachelor's
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: steps right like, you know, doing the Miss American thing.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And then after a while, then it became less fun
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: after this episode two or three, because then everybody else
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: saw it, and I was like, okay, well now everybody's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: playing into it. So then I immediately started like backing
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: her up because you support somebody with the plan exactly.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I was. I was like, you know, okay, so now
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: everybody else is hating her, how can I be the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Devil's at kit the kit for that and so um,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you know, now I feel like, you know, she started
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: off so fake and she had this whole plan, and
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: then once she realized that everyone was kind of attacking her,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: now she's kind of gotten real and everyone else it's like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: why are you still attacking her? She looks bad already,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: like you know, she looks bad. And then like Becca, Becca,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: she just kept going at it when she should just
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: have let her ruin herself exactly. It was like she
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: had already you know, ruined herself pretty bad, just in
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the one episode alone. And Becca was like, you look
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: horrible like and no one likes you anymore. And I
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: was like, god, Becca, And if you think about it too,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: what what how can twenty two year old that came
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: onto the show relate to you know, a twenty nine
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: year old or something where whether she is being fake
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: or real, those two different people have two totally different
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: aspects of life. And at thirty you're kind of, you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: chomping at the grip to maybe find somebody, whereas you
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: got Becca, who's like whatever I got, I got a
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: lot of years of hot in this left is really
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: interesting take because I hadn't thought of that, and hearing
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you say that, it's like she was creating herself to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: be this villain or fool or whatever word you want
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to use. But when the girl's ganged up on her
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: and each person was pulling her aside to be like
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: you suck, it's true you did feel a little bit
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like to pile on. Yeah, it was like why, what's
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: how is that necessary? I still will never understand what
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the point is of people talking to the lead about
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: how terrible a person is, or sitting down in someone's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: face and telling them, hey, you're you're pretty horrible, like
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: thank you, Like, I'm not sure why you felt the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: need to tell me that. The whole world just saw it. Okay,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: So but you you were a planned villain, right You
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: went in knowing that you had fun pushing buttons. No,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: it was the opposite on mine. On mine, I went
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: in totally real. I'd never watched the show before, and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I was actually trying to do it for real, which,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: like you know, when they're calling, like all right, fifteen
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of us are going on a date, and everyone's like yeah,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this doesn't make sense. I don't want to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: go on a date with fifteen people. Like. I had
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: never watched it, so I was really trying to do
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it the way someone in a real dating scenario would.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I always said things that you said were like, wow,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: well you know what, He's just saying it the way
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it is. And it took a turn after a while
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: because what happened was when I saw these guys sitting
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: around like, you know, oh my gosh, if I can't
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: see her to day, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And I was like, we're a bunch of thirty year old,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: good looking dudes, like I'm pretty sure we've dated girls before,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and we don't freak out if like we don't get
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: called the first day. So once I started seeing that happen,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, there is playing the role
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and they're being fake, and I realized it looked bad
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: for me trying to be real, so I was like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: all right, well I'll out fake them. Then you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I'm already the bad guy. I can't go back now.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So you caught on and you're like, Okay, well, now
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that I've been pigeonholed into the villain, I'm going to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: continue with that exactly. And I tried to come back
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a few times, and you know, I was working with production.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, I can't come back? Can And they're like, no, man,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: what do you think will happen to Crystal? Like is
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: she going to be, you know, on Paradise or is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: she going to be so villainy that we're like get lost?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I I'm not sure what christ I can
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: assume she's gonna be on Paradise for sure, just because
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of she is kind of a big presence. Um. I
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: think that she'll probably get some type of you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: what's it called redemption story, you know, where maybe she
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is being real or she learns to take it a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: little more real versus the whole just the voice thing
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: in general. N no matter what she says and how
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: real it is, the voice is going to ruin it, right,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that baby whispery talkie thing, Yeah you think that exaggerated
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and that's her real voice? No, I don't know. I
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: supposedly if you watch her Instagram stories and I'm not
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: being mean, it just isn't her voice, but I think
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I think she uses it with Ari in a flirty way,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and then she uses it with the girls to be like,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: see I'm soft, I'm not. You don't need to yell
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: at me. So what are you think is going through
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: her head? Because I kind of can't wait to talk
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: to her while she's watching Oh man. I think she
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: at first thought like I killed it. Oh man, everyone's
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: gonna love me. Look at all these good things I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: do I've said, so everything's perfect. And then I think
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: as it went on, you know, she was probably getting
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: calls like it's not gonna look so good for you today.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think she's bad girl or anything.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I think she just came into it a little too calculated,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and maybe she wasn't even was real about actually looking
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: for a relationship. But I think she came in trying
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to portray herself in such a way and so hard
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that it made everything about her seem fake. Ben, were
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: you surprised Ari kept her last night? Did you think
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: it was her time to go home? Uh? No, I
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: think it made a lot of sense actually for his behavior.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And I and I actually we talked about it in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: our last segment, Chad with and you're in studio, so
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: you heard this with Viviana. Is why in the world
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: would already go up and give Crystal attention after she's
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: kind of thrown her fit. And it's obvious now because
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: he kept here that he really cares about her, and
• 50:23
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• 50:30
  Speaker 1: else to say, a crazy side. And that's the one
• 50:32
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• 54:49
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• 54:53
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on these things from the show. So first question,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: long haired Becca in the hotel room, what do we
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: think that are? He brought her to that hotel room
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and also their barfi lovey conversation Chad. First, I'm going
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to say, honestly, he looked like he just kind of
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to tickler or something. They didn't even really talk
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: or convey anything. He literally was just like grabbing at
• 55:18
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• 55:21
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• 55:27
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• 55:30
  Speaker 1: make out. I wonder if, like how much conversation was
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: really taken out of that scene, but if it was,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: that's like the way one caveat about The Bachelor. It's
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: all like, we need to get to know each other better,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, I know we do. This place
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: is so amazing. It's the best place to get to
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: know each other better. Okay, man, what do you think? Honestly?
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I mean the hotel stuff pretty nice to me. Honestly,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: it kind of separates everything. It takes you away from
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the group, and so I'm a huge fan of any
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: time you can get away. Fair enough, Okay, Frog eating
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Raven friend Tia. I want to know what everybody thinks.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And I can't remember if they're from Kansas or where
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: she's from Arkansas, Arkansas? So what does everybody think about Tia?
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like last night she kind of emerged
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: or tonight whatever as a front runner. I think she's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: been a front runner for a while. I think, first,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you're not playing the came as. I think honestly, like
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: they were just like, hey, Raven, we kind of want you,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: but like can you just clone yourself and send a
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: friend I know Raven two point Oh seriously, same boys,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: same hair, same everything. Like literally, it was just like
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: all right. She even said she was like, I actually
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: live in the city, and he was like, oh, well, um, yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: we're gonna swamp eating frog legs. Okay, So okay, Ashley,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: go okay. So yeah. I think Tia was actually a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: frontrunner of the entire time, and I think that they're like,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you know what, we really like the Raven caricature from
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: last season, So let's just do it. Let's ask even
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: if she has any friends like her, Ben, what do
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you think of Tia? I have a thousand things to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: say about this date, so I'm gonna take my time
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: here and talk about it. Tia has been a front
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: runner for me since the beginning. I think Tia is, uh,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: it's just herself. I think she's pretty, she's confident, so
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I always thought, Okay, in this group of women, she
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: stands above the rest. I love this day, and let
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: me tell you why. For one second, I love alligators.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It is my favorite thing in the world. I absolutely,
• 57:28
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• 57:31
  Speaker 1: When I see an alligator, I get giddy, I get excited,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and I don't get giddy and excited very often in
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: life right now, And so is this date to me
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: might have been and I have this in my notes
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: in the episode, this date is one of my favorite
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: dates ever done on The Bachelor because here's and here's
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: my theory behind it, and we'll move on. Is this
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: is a type of date. It looked like to me
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: that is an experience that you could do in your
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: real life, but it would be one that you would
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: remember forever. And I just felt like this was one
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: that I could relate with. Is I would enjoy it
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: so much. I would eat frog legs. I would go
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: out and eat legs. Um, this is a really cool
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: day for me. And so I thought from I really
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: enjoyed watching Tea on this day because she fit in well,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: so are obviously knew what he was doing, and I
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: got I got one thing to say on her too,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: because I don't know a whole lot about Tia. I've
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: been kind of zoning out this season. But the one
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: thing that I noticed on this last episode and the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: one thing that I always noticed that kind of gives
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: you a clue to what the people are really thinking
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: when somebody says I think I'm falling in love with
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you and they're not looking at the person when they
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: say that. If you notice, they'll immediately like go hug
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: their chest and put their head down. What's the first
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: thing you do when you really are falling in love
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: with someone? You look at that person's eyes right to
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: see what they're thinking. So I got a little bit
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: of you know, fraud out of that. She was saying it,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: but she really wasn't quite there. Yeah, like that, this
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: is my move, it's my time. We didn't even talk
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: about the fire. She said, I love you when we five, Like,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: is that not the one thing you do if you're
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: falling in of someone? You want to see the way
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: they looked at She was so nervous about it that
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: she's like, I can't look at you. I don't think
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you're actually I don't know. I don't know about that one. Okay,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: next question, Okay, so my last two questions. I love
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: everybody's thoughts quickly. I call her Yale, I don't know
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: her name, but she's very smart. Yale cne. And then
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Chelsea the mom. I want to know each of your
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: thoughts on her. I don't even know sa which want
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, she's Yale, she went Did you watch
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the episode where they went to Taho she went parasailing
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and Taho? No, I missed that part. Okay, Well, I
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like Cienne and I actually like Chelsea. Chelsea want to turnaround.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: First couple of episodes, first two episodes, we definitely thought
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: she was gonna be a villain. Definitely not a villain
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: um and Cenne is. Yeah, she's great. She seems almost
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: too smart for him. I hate saying things like that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I don't like saying things like that. I mean, but
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: she she's smart, she's got a pleasant personality, She's beautiful.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I see nothing wrong with Cenne yet right, never and
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I hopefully, I mean, like everything's right. Yeah, she just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: seems a good catch. Amy you want a headline? Yea,
• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:20
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:27
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• 1:00:31
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• 1:00:34
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• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:02
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• 1:01:06
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• 1:01:11
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• 1:01:14
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• 1:01:17
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• 1:01:21
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• 1:03:48
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:19
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• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:23
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  Speaker 1: Crystal Uh, let me read this quote directly as she
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  Speaker 1: said last nights, these girls don't operate at my level.
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  Speaker 1: I'm done. That was glitter. We'll talk to that. Hey.
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  Speaker 1: I want to let you guys know I'll be doing
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram live during the show at eight o'clock Pacific
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  Speaker 1: time on Monday night. So I'm just gonna give a
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  Speaker 1: little commentary live, So thanks for having me. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: tuning in. Glad you plugged that because now I have
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  Speaker 1: a new favorite thing. We'll see how it goes, all right, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk more about the Bachelor Winter Games. That's right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be here. As are excited. You're gonna see
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of us on TV. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: either of us are that nervous about it. Maybe we
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  Speaker 1: should be. That might be a problem. I might be
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  Speaker 1: unaware of what's to come. That's a good point. We
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  Speaker 1: want to thank our producer Amy for all the time
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  Speaker 1: that she spends on this podcast. Want to thank Easton
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  Speaker 1: who's in studio today helping the sound out with all
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  Speaker 1: this because I'm sick and so he's probably moving the
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  Speaker 1: levels all around to make sure this works for us. Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: as always, you're great. Until next week, We'll miss you
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  Speaker 1: all um, but hey, I'm excited to have a little break.
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