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ICE: How We Got Here (Part 2) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: So we are back for part two of our look
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Speaker 2: at ICE and CBP and DHS looking at what has
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Speaker 2: been happening with Actually, we're going to do a little
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Speaker 2: comparative look at past administrations. Not here, not in this episode,
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Speaker 2: but coming up we'll be taking an all encompassing look
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Speaker 2: at ICE and CBP and talking about the events happening now.
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Speaker 2: But we do think it's important that we look at
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Speaker 2: the backgrounds. We do think it's important that we talk
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Speaker 2: about the policies that we need to talk about where
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Speaker 2: the root of this is coming from, and then what
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Speaker 2: it looks like is happening and things are ever changing.
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Speaker 2: We know this again because of that. We're going to
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Speaker 2: go ahead in time stamp this because some of the
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Speaker 2: stuff that we're talking about today actually came out today,
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Speaker 2: and that therefore we know by if you listen to
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Speaker 2: this like next week, it's gonna change. If you listen
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Speaker 2: to this in four years from now, you're probably gonna
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Speaker 2: be like, I'm crossing my fingers. Thank God, that's over.
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Speaker 2: I really hope that's what's gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: speak that into.
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Speaker 3: Existence, hopefully younger generations please.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, and this is definitely gonna be one of those
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Speaker 2: that we are making a time capsule and keeping record
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Speaker 2: about what is happening today and the truth of what
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Speaker 2: is happening today, and we want to make sure that
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Speaker 2: we're doing it thoroughly. So this is why we're going
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Speaker 2: into part two, and we're gonna have another another part
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Speaker 2: and maybe another part.
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Speaker 3: Who knows.
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Speaker 2: This is one of those moments where I'm like, it
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Speaker 2: just keeps going.
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Speaker 1: Yes it does. But the time stamp and question is
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Speaker 1: that because you're.
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Speaker 2: Already bypassing because I'm so scared anyway, is February eleventh,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. And yes, we're recording on the day
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Speaker 2: that it is being released because Christine know it's magical
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Speaker 2: and takes care of our editing so quickly.
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Speaker 3: We appreciate you and your patients.
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Speaker 2: But also with that content warrant warning, we are talking
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Speaker 2: current affairs, or they'll look at the discriminatory policies in
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Speaker 2: place today. I don't think we're going to get into
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Speaker 2: any actual examples, but mentions of death, disease, rape, sexual
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Speaker 2: assault and harassment and probably trauma, all the trauma. We
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Speaker 2: may have forgotten something else, you know. And again, if
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Speaker 2: it's not for this episode, it was for part one,
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Speaker 2: and it will be for the next two parts or
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Speaker 2: one part or five parts, who knows, because this is
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Speaker 2: a very sensitive subject. But there's your warning. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot here. There's a lot here, and it is bleak,
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Speaker 2: but no worries. At the very end of our parts,
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Speaker 2: when we come together and kind of have a conclusion,
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Speaker 2: we are going to end with some good news and
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Speaker 2: some of the amazing organizations that are working tirelessly to
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Speaker 2: provide the services we so desperately need, including the people
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Speaker 2: who are giving this information, who are doing their best
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Speaker 2: to keep track of what is happening and letting the
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Speaker 2: public know. So there you go, all right, take a
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Speaker 2: deep breath. Then let's jump into it. So we know,
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Speaker 2: immigration has always been a hot button issue, whether it's
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Speaker 2: to make money, whether it's to create a hierarchy or whatnot.
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Speaker 2: It is an issue, and we discussed it earlier. Go
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Speaker 2: back to listen to part one if you want to
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Speaker 2: to get the history of ICBP and DHS. But how
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Speaker 2: this administration isn't the first to do some drastic policy changes,
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Speaker 2: but so far they've been some of the most extreme
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Speaker 2: in its procedures and policies. So what are some of
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Speaker 2: these policies that the current administration has been using. First
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Speaker 2: and foremost the executive orders galore, Like you get an
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Speaker 2: executive order, and you get an executive order, and everybody's oppressed.
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Speaker 2: Let's go, in his first year of his term, Trump
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Speaker 2: has two hundred and twenty seven orders, way more than
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Speaker 2: Biden did in his entire four years, more than George
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Speaker 2: Bush Senior did in his entirety, and even more than
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Speaker 2: himself in his first term. So that's within the first year,
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Speaker 2: because y'all, we have three more years to go.
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Speaker 3: Hail. Okay, I'm breathing, it's fine.
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Speaker 2: On his first day alone, he signed twenty six orders,
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Speaker 2: the most signed on the first day than the last
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Speaker 2: ten presidents. So if you go back and look at
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Speaker 2: the charts and all of the numbers, it kind of
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Speaker 2: goes all kinds of ways. One of the largest amount
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Speaker 2: of executive orders came from, oh, I don't know, World
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Speaker 2: War two, and that's justifiable. I feel like that makes
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Speaker 2: a lot more sense. But here he is really pushing
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Speaker 2: to break those records.
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Speaker 3: It seems.
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Speaker 2: Anyway even and within these orders on day one ten,
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Speaker 2: more specifically in regards to immigration laws and policies, so
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Speaker 2: from the American Immigration Council, they write. On the first
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Speaker 2: day of his second term of office, President Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: issued ten executive orders and proclamations seeking to change the
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Speaker 2: face of US immigration law and policy, touching nearly every
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Speaker 2: aspect of a complex and exacting system. The Trump administration
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Speaker 2: has followed up the record of its first term and
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Speaker 2: the promises of its presidential campaign with an effort to
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Speaker 2: redefine America, to exclude everyone from border crossers seeking refuge
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Speaker 2: to children born next month, to parents who are in
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Speaker 2: the US on temporary visas.
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Speaker 1: And they continue explaining quote, it is important to understand
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Speaker 1: not just the scope of the executive orders, but also
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Speaker 1: what precisely they aim to do and on what timescale.
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Speaker 1: The flurry of first day activity was itself a signal
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Speaker 1: to immigrant communities that they are under attack, but it
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Speaker 1: is also a blueprint for future actions. Policy changes heralded
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Speaker 1: in these executive actions take the form of instructions to
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Speaker 1: federal departments or agencies. Some of these were executed within
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Speaker 1: the first forty eight hours. Others will require further scrutiny
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Speaker 1: and guidance in the coming weeks and months, and will
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Speaker 1: be subjected to lawsuits challenging their implementation. So, for instance,
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Speaker 1: his executive orders included declaring an emergency at the US
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Speaker 1: Mexican border, ending birthright citizenship, and stopping most of the
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Speaker 1: refugee admissions. And none of this is a surprise, as
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Speaker 1: he ran on this promise to address the so called
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Speaker 1: issues of immigration right.
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Speaker 2: And of course we're going to go into the garbage
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Speaker 2: that he uses about as illegal aliens invading and taking
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Speaker 2: away from US citizens was upstanding citizens who follow the law,
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Speaker 2: as all of them criminals, which is not true, which
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Speaker 2: we're going to get into part three because we know
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Speaker 2: this is a big fallacy, but it is also something
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Speaker 2: to remember again, like they said, there are a lot
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Speaker 2: of lawsuits happen, and it happened quickly. ACLU has been
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest ops for him in this timeframe,
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Speaker 2: and it's good to know that that they will continue
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Speaker 2: to do that and they have done so well, and
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Speaker 2: other judges and other people in this type of law
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Speaker 2: have fought him so hard that he's trying to take
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Speaker 2: apart the judicial system. That's what we've seen, but right
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Speaker 2: now they're working hard, just as a reminder in trying
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Speaker 2: to fight back. But unfortunately we're not there. We're not
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Speaker 2: there yet, y'all. We're gonna get to those good parts later,
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Speaker 2: but we're we're not not there yet. So in his
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Speaker 2: statement on the White House site, he writes this and said,
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Speaker 2: I mean, he is supposed to be from him, but
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Speaker 2: we know it's not from him, but just go on.
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Speaker 2: It's first person for him anyway. Moving on, many of
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Speaker 2: these aliens unlawfully within the United States present significant threats
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Speaker 2: to national security and public safety, committing vile and heinous
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Speaker 2: acts against innocent Amamericans. Others are engaged in hostile activities,
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Speaker 2: including espionage, economic espionage, and preparations for terror related activities.
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Speaker 2: Many have abused the generosity of the American people, and
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Speaker 2: their presence in the United States has cost tax barriers
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars at the federal, state, and local levels.
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Speaker 2: Enforcing our nation's immigration law is critically important to the
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Speaker 2: national security and public safety of the United States. The
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Speaker 2: American people deserves a federal government that puts that their
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Speaker 2: interest first, and a government that understands its sacred obligation
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Speaker 2: to prioritize the safety, security, and financial and economic wellbeing
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Speaker 2: of Americans. To note, there's a lot of reports and
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Speaker 2: we again we're going to talk about this later, but
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Speaker 2: just as a reminder because I feel like hearing that,
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Speaker 2: I need to wash it away with some truths. We're
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Speaker 2: losing a lot of money from these detentions because a
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Speaker 2: big chunk of taxes come from those who pay taxes
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Speaker 2: but don't have any rights. So have the people who
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Speaker 2: are immigrants and who are working here do pay taxes,
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Speaker 2: which again we're going to note the fact that they
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Speaker 2: that's how they were found and located is by their
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Speaker 2: tax forms. But we're losing a big chunk of money
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Speaker 2: because they're being detained and withheld and we are spending
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Speaker 2: money on that, which they're not really spending that much
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Speaker 2: on them personally.
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Speaker 3: But like this establishing of.
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Speaker 2: Safety in which we're going to get into a bit
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Speaker 2: uh in this episode later, but yeah, we're losing a
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Speaker 2: lot of money. It's costing taxpayers more.
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Speaker 3: Just case we're confused, absolutely confused.
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Speaker 1: Right, Lets you build your big ballroom, man, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: my taxes.
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Speaker 2: Went. Let you go ahead and sue us for your mistakes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, and.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine, no, fine, all right.
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Speaker 2: Moving on, So his strategy with this type of and
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Speaker 2: barrage of executive orders, we're a part of his kind
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Speaker 2: of quote shotgun oblitz, which is what they called it.
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Speaker 2: That was written in in their Project twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: So this is from an ACLU article on Trump's take
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Speaker 2: on immigration. They write, Trump has promised to be far
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Speaker 2: more aggressive in a second term, emboldened by his close
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Speaker 2: advisors like Stephen Miller, to launch a shotgun oblets of
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Speaker 2: executive orders and actions that will target millions of immigrants
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Speaker 2: and their families and threaten the freedom and security of
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Speaker 2: everyone in the United States. Trump will unleash the vast
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Speaker 2: arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown,
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Speaker 2: Miller told The New York Times in November twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: To fact, former senior Trump officials helped write Project twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five, a detailed plan to overhaul federal agencies that
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Speaker 2: includes more than one hundred and seventy five immigration actions. Okay,
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Speaker 2: we'll have We've talked about doing an episode on Project
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and honestly, we are really behind on
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Speaker 2: that conversation we are going to try to address it.
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Speaker 2: It just feels so heavy sometimes and so dense, and honestly,
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Speaker 2: I feel like we need to bring in an expert
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Speaker 2: to have a thorough conversation about Project twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: and project esther.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely do. It's one of those things that
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Speaker 1: it's a hefty document, I mean, and there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of legal ease in there. And I know we had
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Speaker 1: a guest on recently ish and she was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you've missed the deadline for talking about that, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, right, it's still happening, though.
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Speaker 2: Like we need to still be aware because pretending like
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Speaker 2: it's not happening now doesn't mean yeah, it.
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Speaker 3: Can't be changed.
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Speaker 2: But we did, we are behind. It's one of those
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Speaker 2: things that it feels so overwhelming that it's kind of like,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, we have to be experts on it
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Speaker 2: before we can talk about it, and then it becomes
11:55
Speaker 2: time consuming. But anyway, it is something to note that
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Speaker 2: this is a part of the plan. This was a
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Speaker 2: part of the original beings, like they have been targeted
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Speaker 2: as the new evils that's coming to get us.
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Speaker 3: You know, once upon a time it was England. I know.
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Speaker 1: Think about on like I was there.
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Speaker 2: So the executive orders were only a small part but
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Speaker 2: did some big things, including Executive Order one four one
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Speaker 2: five nine, which allows for ICE to expand their detention
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Speaker 2: centers and capacities. We're going to talk about that with
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Speaker 2: the title protecting the American People against Invasion. So we
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Speaker 2: got to remember this is the language like invasion. It
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Speaker 2: literally sounds like we're being trampled upon, uh with knives
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Speaker 2: and guns.
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Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, like aliens are coming in to killers from
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Speaker 1: another planet.
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Speaker 2: Yea, which is they love aliens, illegal aliens coming to
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Speaker 2: invade and take your.
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Speaker 3: Children, sir, Yeah, no one wants your children.
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Speaker 1: I'm good.
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Speaker 2: So then there was EO or so I'm gonna go
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Speaker 2: ahead and call them EO right now because that's how
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Speaker 2: I've wrote that. So Thiseo also called for DHS an
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Speaker 2: Attorney General, to deny funding for sanctuary cities and any
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Speaker 2: other nonprofit that quote facilitate irregular migration. So this is again,
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Speaker 2: this is one of those linke at ones where they're
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Speaker 2: like they can choose, they can choose who they're talking about,
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Speaker 2: because Georgia actually has a sanctuary city, but they.
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Speaker 3: Really want to keep it, you know, Kemp.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, our governor and Georgia.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a lot of disting for that apparently.
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Speaker 2: But yes, he is a pseudo heavy supporter, like he
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Speaker 2: waivers real hard and has no backbone, but he is
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Speaker 2: a yes guy to Trump from the most part. So
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Speaker 2: it's interesting to see what they will do here. Then
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Speaker 2: there was Executive Order one four one four eight, which
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Speaker 2: gives ICE more power and allows them to go to
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Speaker 2: once restricted places like schools and hospitals because we know
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Speaker 2: all the terrorists all go to middle school and elementary school,
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Speaker 2: right heiden as children.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Of course these executive orders aren't the only things allowing
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Speaker 2: for the growth and overreach of ICE, CBP and DHS,
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Speaker 2: but it's something to note that this was all implemented
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Speaker 2: on day one of his administration. One of the most
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Speaker 2: controversial policies in place is the One Big Beautiful Bill Act,
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Speaker 2: which was signed on July for twenty twenty five. So
14:51
Speaker 2: either we're going to refer this to as OBBBA or
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Speaker 2: the Big Beautiful Bill.
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Speaker 3: Just that's why.
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Speaker 2: So this bill is an extensive bill that has several
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Speaker 2: parts to it, and trying to summarize it seems to
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Speaker 2: be a bit difficult because we know most bills and
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Speaker 2: acts have a lot of things in there in order
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Speaker 2: to try to rush everything, and especially like the hidden
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Speaker 2: things that you're like, wait, where did that come from?
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Speaker 2: Why is that included? This is one of those bills.
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Speaker 2: Because the IRIS has a whole section about this bill
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Speaker 2: trying to explain it for the tax portions, and some
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Speaker 2: of these tax portions seems wonderful. We have those who
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Speaker 2: endorse it from the White House pages, you know as
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Speaker 2: in like their official pages. It does include several tax
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Speaker 2: cuts and helps deductions for tips, overtime pay, auto loans,
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Speaker 2: and the Trump account. And if you don't know what
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Speaker 2: that is, it gives a very small amount to encourage
15:45
Speaker 2: the growth of the birth rate in the United States.
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Speaker 2: It's like two hundred dollars extra in childcare childcare credit
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Speaker 2: tax credit. Also with the everybody was so excited about
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Speaker 2: that they're not going to tax the tips.
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Speaker 3: That's wrong. They do.
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Speaker 2: They do tax it. You have to make a certain
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Speaker 2: amount over the all like claiming d da da da.
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Speaker 2: There's so many things to this build that like it
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Speaker 2: sounded great until you look at the like details and like, oh,
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Speaker 2: it really doesn't help me. It only helps these people,
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Speaker 2: which there's a small group of people that it actually helps.
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Speaker 2: I did get to put my car interest rate onto
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Speaker 2: my tax form. That did help me, But at the
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Speaker 2: same time, I had to buy a new car, which
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to do for a very bloated price
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Speaker 2: because of tariffs yep an interest rates going up.
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Speaker 3: So you know, it's like, is it really helping?
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Speaker 2: And with all that, it also raises the debt ceiling
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Speaker 2: by five trillion dollars and somehow with all of these
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Speaker 2: tax rates and maybe again an increase tax credit for
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Speaker 2: children if you have if you have another one, here's
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Speaker 2: a two hundred dollar credit. You're welcome. It also cuts
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Speaker 2: Medicaid by twelve percent, and it cuts availability for snap
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Speaker 2: benefits once was referred like oftentimes referred to as food stamps.
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Speaker 2: And it gave a lot of money for both ICE
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Speaker 2: and CBP and DHS A lot of money. Exactly how
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Speaker 2: much and where's it going? A total of one hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy billion dollars are being allotted for the anti
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Speaker 2: immigration policies and agencies again such as ICE and CBP.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, from the National Immigration Law Center, this is the breakdown.
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Speaker 1: Thirty billion dollars to detain and deport immigrants quickly, forty
17:42
Speaker 1: five billion dollars to build new immigrant detention facilities, forty
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Speaker 1: seven billion dollars to build more border walls and barriers,
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Speaker 1: sixteen billion dollars for increased border security with surveillance and technology,
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Speaker 1: fourteen billion dollars for state and local agencies to assist
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Speaker 1: in immigration enforcement, and twelve billion dollars for checkpoints, vehicles
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Speaker 1: and more agents.
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Speaker 2: Annie, Speaking of surveillance, you know, Alena is one of
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Speaker 2: the most seville cities in the world. Yes, even like
18:13
Speaker 2: up there with China, which is really mind blowing to me,
18:16
Speaker 2: which is not a city, but you know what I mean,
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Speaker 2: even the cities of China. But there has been an
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Speaker 2: up increase of flock cameras with a company just placing
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Speaker 2: them wherever and then charging after they place them.
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Speaker 3: It is an interesting tactic.
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Speaker 2: But they are a part of the operations, reading tags
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Speaker 2: and trying to pinpoint people in locations. There's one pointed
18:41
Speaker 2: at my house, Annie, really, and they told our neighbors
18:47
Speaker 2: that this was to this was police trying to control speeding.
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Speaker 2: It is not, it is not. It is an absolute
18:54
Speaker 2: flock camera. And I'm like oh my god, because you
18:57
Speaker 2: and I have kind of joked that we may be
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Speaker 2: on lists because of what we do. But now I
19:03
Speaker 2: have a full blown camera on my is directly pointing
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Speaker 2: at my house outside of just the streets by the way,
19:11
Speaker 2: so just to note if something goes down, Okay, I
19:17
Speaker 2: want to be here. I want to represent all the
19:19
Speaker 2: people's and I am all about freedom of speech and
19:23
Speaker 2: I have done nothing wrong or illegal.
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Speaker 1: All right, it's a.
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Speaker 2: It's on the podcast. I have many witnesses, including all
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Speaker 2: of our listeners. But yeah, we have a flat camera
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Speaker 2: which is one of those contracts that is under under
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Speaker 2: four ICE, and have been using all.
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Speaker 3: Of the systems.
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Speaker 2: But it's interesting and they even like I think they're
19:46
Speaker 2: a billion dollar company if I understand correctly, they do
19:49
Speaker 2: use solar so great.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, it doesn't seem like they.
19:56
Speaker 2: Would now they have a really good system that like
19:58
Speaker 2: holds battery power. I know that that was a long one,
20:01
Speaker 2: but I just I just want that to be noted
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Speaker 2: because I was thinking about that the other day when
20:05
Speaker 2: every time I passed it, I'm like, oh my god, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I don't like that at all, right, who does
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Speaker 2: not me? So again with that, they describe some of
20:15
Speaker 2: the ways that they are spending this money, so they'd
20:17
Speaker 2: say the following. The law gives some instructions for how
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Speaker 2: the money should be used, including fingerprinting and DNA analysis
20:24
Speaker 2: for families arriving at the border, additional screening for people
20:28
Speaker 2: coming to the US remain in Mexico. That's one of
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Speaker 2: the policies, which is a policy that forces migrants to
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Speaker 2: wait for their US court cases in Mexico. A human
20:39
Speaker 2: rights catastrophe because literally they're trying to escape things, and
20:44
Speaker 2: as ignored as they are, they're just placed in more
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Speaker 2: danger sending unaccompanised children back to their country without seeing
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Speaker 2: a judge, allowing state and local law enforcement to enforce
20:55
Speaker 2: immigration laws, and paying them for participating in an immigration
20:59
Speaker 2: enforcement allowing more deportations without seeing a judge, and using
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Speaker 2: secret evidence in some cases physical exams of children who
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Speaker 2: arrive at the US border without a parent or guardian,
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Speaker 2: detaining children with their parents while the parent is prosecuted
21:16
Speaker 2: for illegal entry, creating the quote victim of Immigration's Crime
21:20
Speaker 2: Engagement Office a political tool to scare immigrants. By the way,
21:27
Speaker 2: none of this money is really going to any of
21:30
Speaker 2: the departments that are supposed to help with the cases
21:33
Speaker 2: they have. Yeah, just the note and for good measure,
21:38
Speaker 2: the DOJ does their own thing with the money of
21:41
Speaker 2: such as investigating immigration related offenses such as an authorized entry,
21:46
Speaker 2: failure to register, and voting by non citizens, which by
21:49
Speaker 2: the way, not many non citizens vote. If like they don't,
21:54
Speaker 2: they're not playing that game. They're not trying to They're
21:59
Speaker 2: trying to stay under the This is such a weird.
22:01
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm done. I'm already frustrated.
22:04
Speaker 2: Crime prevention programs, including the programs for immigrantion enforcement and deportation,
22:09
Speaker 2: and they pay states and cities that put certain immigrants
22:12
Speaker 2: in jail, so they're like, hey, if you put it,
22:15
Speaker 2: if you put it an immigrant in jail, we'll give
22:17
Speaker 2: you money.
22:19
Speaker 3: Super enticing, Yeah, super enticing.
22:22
Speaker 2: All of that. So NPR reported at the beginning of
22:25
Speaker 2: this year that with this type of budget, which is
22:27
Speaker 2: the highest ICE has ever had, as it was typically
22:30
Speaker 2: sitting at like ten billion a year, that they are allotted,
22:34
Speaker 2: which by the way, ten billion dollars is a.
22:36
Speaker 3: Lot of money. Yeah, a lot of money.
22:38
Speaker 2: And this is ICE, not CBP's different. This is specifically
22:42
Speaker 2: two ICE, which again they have that and now they
22:47
Speaker 2: can include the seventy five billion dollars. A supplement is
22:51
Speaker 2: a supplement, love lile supplement that can be spent in
22:55
Speaker 2: the next four years three now, because if we've already
22:58
Speaker 2: got one year tripling their yearly budget. And they were
23:02
Speaker 2: talking about how in comparison to like the FBI, the FBI, guess,
23:06
Speaker 2: I believe one third of that and they actually do
23:14
Speaker 2: like do domestic terrorists and investigations in that way, but
23:18
Speaker 2: in terrorism, yeah, but whatever. So their goal is to
23:23
Speaker 2: deport one million people each year and they need this
23:26
Speaker 2: money to get more funds for detention centers and employees,
23:30
Speaker 2: as we mentioned before.
23:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fact, in one year alone they doubled
23:37
Speaker 1: the amount of agents from ten thousand to twenty two thousand,
23:40
Speaker 1: and according to DHS, have received two hundred and twenty
23:44
Speaker 1: thousand applications in twenty twenty five. And yes, they're still hiring.
23:51
Speaker 1: You can see our first episode where we talked about
23:54
Speaker 1: the requirements.
23:56
Speaker 2: Right, and I will say, I'm going back and forth.
23:59
Speaker 3: We're reading.
23:59
Speaker 2: So there's so many reports y'all know this that two
24:02
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand could have been inflated by Christinome
24:06
Speaker 2: and that is not as high as they are claiming
24:09
Speaker 2: it to be.
24:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're definitely. Unfortunately, it is very
24:20
Speaker 1: hard to get the actual immerge right now.
24:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that I will tell you, I will
24:26
Speaker 2: say out a few times on different reports. It's hard
24:29
Speaker 2: because they're doing this purposely in secret. There's also enticing
24:32
Speaker 2: bonuses that the government's been outing and it has been
24:36
Speaker 2: drawing some people in and not just those who want
24:39
Speaker 2: to go around and gather up them illegals as they say,
24:45
Speaker 2: which I've heard some people.
24:46
Speaker 3: Talk about, I'm a join.
24:50
Speaker 2: These are the people you definitely want to be in
24:52
Speaker 2: law enforcement carrying a gun.
24:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:55
Speaker 2: Anyway, moving on, so their salaries are ranging from fifty
24:58
Speaker 2: one thousand to about fifty two thousand to about eighty
25:01
Speaker 2: five thousand. Although as a former government worker, I will
25:06
Speaker 2: tell you if you're not already in a government position,
25:09
Speaker 2: you're going to be at the bottom. You're going to
25:11
Speaker 2: get that fifty something thousand and maybe not even that
25:13
Speaker 2: to be honest, but you're definitely not.
25:15
Speaker 3: Going to be able to negotiate higher. You never can.
25:17
Speaker 3: That's not a thing.
25:19
Speaker 2: Unless again you have you've already been inside of the
25:23
Speaker 2: agency or you or you're being brought over obviously, if
25:28
Speaker 2: you're a higher up, you don't got to wory about that.
25:31
Speaker 2: So and then if with that, there's a possibility of
25:36
Speaker 2: getting that fifty thousand bonus dollars over the course of
25:39
Speaker 2: five years, y'all, and you have to commit to those
25:42
Speaker 2: five years, and after taxing.
25:44
Speaker 3: It's not that much.
25:46
Speaker 2: About six thousand a year. Congratulations. I hope your soul
25:50
Speaker 2: was worth it. And then there's also an ability to
25:54
Speaker 2: get sixty thousand dollars in student loan repayments. But as
25:57
Speaker 2: you heard from the qualifications, not.
26:00
Speaker 3: A lot of people will go to college.
26:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a requirement, so that might not be
26:08
Speaker 2: as that's why you don't know about that. I did
26:10
Speaker 2: not hear about that as an added benefit when I
26:14
Speaker 2: was when I've been hearing all these you know, things
26:17
Speaker 2: and hot headlines about bonuses and trying to attract people.
26:21
Speaker 3: So I think that's purposeful.
26:34
Speaker 2: And if you want to know what type of people
26:36
Speaker 2: may be applying, well, is that we're talking about. NPR
26:39
Speaker 2: interviewed a few people at a DHS career expo, and
26:42
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting because they actually speak to individuals.
26:45
Speaker 2: So if you want to go take a look at
26:47
Speaker 2: that it's just like MPR goes to DHS ICE job fair.
26:51
Speaker 3: You can go check that out.
26:53
Speaker 2: And some of the people that they interviewed included avid
26:56
Speaker 2: Trump supporters. They were like, I'm really excited about what
26:59
Speaker 2: this government's doing. I want to be a part of it.
27:01
Speaker 2: There's veterans who miss being able to simply follow orders,
27:04
Speaker 2: like they literally say, I just want to do a
27:07
Speaker 2: job where they tell me what to do. And then
27:10
Speaker 2: you have recently laid off DHS employees, because there's a
27:14
Speaker 2: quite a bit of them, they're like, I might as
27:16
Speaker 2: well go back this way. And some were just again
27:19
Speaker 2: looking at those bonuses, really thinking that fifty thousand dollars
27:22
Speaker 2: was just going to be handed to them immediately with
27:24
Speaker 2: no like taxing.
27:26
Speaker 3: I don't think that was right.
27:27
Speaker 2: Interestingly, several people who would often respond that they did
27:30
Speaker 2: bill some of the things that were happening with ICE
27:33
Speaker 2: agents were a bit too far, Like they were all
27:36
Speaker 2: a little concerned. It's like, yeah, I don't really like that.
27:38
Speaker 2: Oh it does seem kind of wrong, but you know what, Hey,
27:41
Speaker 2: it's a job.
27:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's those.
27:45
Speaker 2: Like they knew where they were in history, but they
27:48
Speaker 2: justified it.
27:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have long said there's some kind of element
27:54
Speaker 1: of i'll call it cosplay that is happening right here. Yeah,
28:00
Speaker 1: where they think they're being kind of heroic and you
28:03
Speaker 1: can play the role in their heads.
28:06
Speaker 2: Oh, we're going to talk about it is it's a
28:10
Speaker 2: definitely strategy.
28:13
Speaker 1: Something that isn't that shocking is the fact that the
28:17
Speaker 1: training and overall quality of the candidates for the job
28:20
Speaker 1: may be very low in overall standards, which I think
28:24
Speaker 1: a lot of us have seen those headlines. In fact,
28:28
Speaker 1: the training time for ice was cut from sixteen weeks
28:31
Speaker 1: to just eight weeks, and things like basic Spanish skills
28:35
Speaker 1: have been cut completely, which seems like nonsense.
28:38
Speaker 2: Right, Like that was a part of the requirements because
28:40
Speaker 2: they understood a big chunk of the immigrants and refugees
28:43
Speaker 2: were Spanish speaking people. Interesting again, with that sixteen to
28:47
Speaker 2: eight weeks is terrifying because as a person who worked
28:50
Speaker 2: at the Department of Junial Justice a state level, that
28:53
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with arresting powers. I had nothing
28:56
Speaker 2: to do with going out and like investigating anything. We
29:00
Speaker 2: had nine week course training and that had nothing to
29:03
Speaker 2: do with firearms. We had nothing to do And that
29:05
Speaker 2: came later and that was another twelve weeks, another twelve weeks. Yeah,
29:10
Speaker 2: so sixteen weeks to eight weeks including firearms is alarming
29:16
Speaker 2: because you don't need that experience to start. Yeah.
29:21
Speaker 1: No, that's that's very tell thing that they're just like,
29:26
Speaker 1: come on, put.
29:27
Speaker 3: You through, go for it.
29:29
Speaker 2: It's good luck man, enjoy. So they have also gotten
29:34
Speaker 2: rid of age limits, which should be noted. I think
29:37
Speaker 2: could be seen as DEI.
29:40
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
29:41
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Anyway, The overall push in hiring
29:43
Speaker 2: as many people as possible seems to be the biggest goal,
29:46
Speaker 2: and it's all about that volume, using whatever is necessary,
29:49
Speaker 2: including a barrage of as being used in all.
29:52
Speaker 3: Of the platforms.
29:53
Speaker 2: So any you had talked about this, we wouldn't kind
29:55
Speaker 2: of dig into it because they.
29:56
Speaker 3: There was a lot of good articles about this.
29:59
Speaker 2: So from the DW which is a news source in Germany,
30:03
Speaker 2: they write this. Where ICE's recent approach differs is in
30:07
Speaker 2: the scale intensity of the media push, with unusually high
30:11
Speaker 2: budget advertising campaigns and broad public outreach aimed at generating
30:15
Speaker 2: large applicant pools. Hamilton, a professor of law and criminal
30:18
Speaker 2: justice at the University of Surrey, actually said this.
30:21
Speaker 3: As she was being interviewed.
30:22
Speaker 2: The media and social media push, which uses recruitment tools
30:25
Speaker 2: that lean heavily on key Trump messaging, has proved controversial.
30:32
Speaker 2: That also includes featuring Uncle Sam. You know, like when
30:35
Speaker 2: we were trying to enlist as many people in the
30:38
Speaker 2: military during the World Wars. Yeah, Uncle Sam got in
30:41
Speaker 2: part of this, a personified symbol of the US government
30:44
Speaker 2: most notoriously used to recruit soldiers during World War One
30:48
Speaker 2: on the Ice Careers web page and posting the painting
30:51
Speaker 2: American Progress often critici size for showing white settlers traveling
30:56
Speaker 2: towards their manifest destiny while Native Americas retreat from VA.
31:01
Speaker 2: It's on official social media pages they're using this, and
31:03
Speaker 2: I think if you I'm sure many of you listeners
31:07
Speaker 2: already know of the many different symbols being used, and
31:09
Speaker 2: some of them seem to be reverting back to some
31:12
Speaker 2: white supremacist context.
31:17
Speaker 3: Including the former head advice in DHS. But I digress.
31:25
Speaker 2: Apparently, the cost of these advertisements are around one hundred
31:28
Speaker 2: million dollars for this year and is considered quote a
31:32
Speaker 2: wartime recruitment drive. Again, that verbiage of invasion, war impending
31:39
Speaker 2: doom is being used here and again we're going to
31:43
Speaker 2: jump into have of their cosplay level of like I'm
31:45
Speaker 2: a hero. According to a Washington Post article published in
31:49
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty five, which shared a strategy document
31:52
Speaker 2: that was given to immigrant officials, they're using even more
31:56
Speaker 2: as and influences to hit their large goal of recruitments.
32:00
Speaker 2: So they were able to get a hold of some
32:02
Speaker 2: memos and some tactics that the DHS is using and
32:06
Speaker 2: they publish it. This is twenty twenty five, so before
32:09
Speaker 2: everything has gone downhill. So from their article they write
32:13
Speaker 2: the document reported here for the first time reveals new
32:16
Speaker 2: details about the vast scale of the recruitment effort and
32:19
Speaker 2: its unconventional strategy to flood the market with millions of
32:23
Speaker 2: dollars in spending for Snapchat ads, influencers, and live streamers
32:27
Speaker 2: on Rumble, a video platform popular with conservatives. Under the strategy,
32:32
Speaker 2: ice would also use an ad industry technique known as
32:35
Speaker 2: geofencing to send ads to the phone, web browsers, and
32:39
Speaker 2: social media fees of anyone who set foot near military bases,
32:43
Speaker 2: NASCAR races, college campuses, or gun and trade shows.
32:47
Speaker 3: I feel like that NASCAR was.
32:49
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's very specific.
32:54
Speaker 2: Very specific with this narrative like answer the call to serve.
32:58
Speaker 2: It is clear they're push for loyalists to fill a
33:02
Speaker 2: call to duty. In fact, with the money from.
33:05
Speaker 3: The OBBBA, they have hired.
33:07
Speaker 2: Marketing firms to use precise data and targets for their.
33:11
Speaker 1: Ads, right and using old school tactics to bring in
33:17
Speaker 1: old school loyalists, like the usage of Uncle Sam and
33:22
Speaker 1: fear mongering. That that's been some of the things that
33:25
Speaker 1: they've been doing. From the same article quote recruitment ads
33:29
Speaker 1: have proliferated across TV, radio, print, and podcast, directing viewers
33:34
Speaker 1: to an ICE hiring website that portrays immigration as an
33:38
Speaker 1: existential threat. America has been invaded by criminals and predators,
33:43
Speaker 1: reads the website, which includes an image of Uncle Sam.
33:47
Speaker 1: We need you to get them out, which, by the way,
33:52
Speaker 1: you I tried to report this ad on YouTube. Yeah,
34:00
Speaker 1: it's it's actually pretty difficult to report an add on YouTube.
34:05
Speaker 1: And I think it's specifically it's it's difficult because I
34:10
Speaker 1: think they specifically have it that it the length of
34:14
Speaker 1: it is very short. So like by the time you've
34:18
Speaker 1: been like.
34:19
Speaker 3: Oh, they say I'm in the radar that way.
34:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like already over by the and you, I
34:25
Speaker 1: don't want to go look up. Let me watch this
34:28
Speaker 1: ICE ad.
34:28
Speaker 3: Right, you're not trying to do it, right.
34:31
Speaker 1: But by the time it's over, I can't report it.
34:34
Speaker 1: You have to report it kind of when you see it. Yeah,
34:40
Speaker 1: but yes I have. I've been trying to do your duty.
34:45
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. So they go on
34:48
Speaker 2: to talk about how they've been using things like video
34:50
Speaker 2: games and movies to seem as if ICE is fighting
34:53
Speaker 2: a criminal underground and are coming out as heroes again,
34:57
Speaker 2: as if it was a game or a fantasy quote.
35:00
Speaker 2: On social media, administration accounts have mixed immigration rate footage
35:05
Speaker 2: with memes from action movies and video games to portray
35:07
Speaker 2: ICE's mission as fight against the enemies at the gates,
35:11
Speaker 2: want to deport illegals with your absolute boys. One post says,
35:15
Speaker 2: are you going to cowboy up? Or are you just
35:18
Speaker 2: or just lay there and bleed? Says another. So again,
35:22
Speaker 2: it is very like going after a specific demographic, and
35:27
Speaker 2: as we talked about from the NPR article about the
35:29
Speaker 2: people who are applying for ICE, that as are working,
35:32
Speaker 2: they're targeting conservative people, veterans, and those who may have
35:36
Speaker 2: military backgrounds or military interests. I mean again that cosplay
35:40
Speaker 2: level of like wanting to be a part of it.
35:42
Speaker 2: The document literally says people who are interested in quote
35:45
Speaker 2: conservative thought leaders, gun rights organizations, and tactical gear brands
35:50
Speaker 2: like that's who they're targeting. That's what they wrote and
35:53
Speaker 2: something to watch out for. Though as of today, I
35:56
Speaker 2: can't see I don't know of any specific influencers, but
36:00
Speaker 2: we need to look out for those because they were
36:01
Speaker 2: named and those who created the document are leading into
36:05
Speaker 2: the power of influencers. Again from the Washington Post report,
36:09
Speaker 2: they write the document did not name specific influencers, but
36:13
Speaker 2: said it would focus on quote former agents, veterans, and
36:16
Speaker 2: pro ice creators who would be expected to host live streams,
36:20
Speaker 2: attend events, and post short and long form videos and
36:24
Speaker 2: other content to Facebook, Instagram, rumble x, and YouTube blogs,
36:29
Speaker 2: substack newsletters, and threads. Accounts would also be targeted for
36:33
Speaker 2: more niche communities, the document said. So I think that's
36:37
Speaker 2: something we need to look out for. I have like, again,
36:39
Speaker 2: my FYP may be completely different, but I would think
36:42
Speaker 2: if a creator comes out with some usage, we would
36:46
Speaker 2: see that, like someone else would be talking about them
36:48
Speaker 2: or calling them out. I haven't seen it yet. I
36:50
Speaker 2: feel like at this point it might be too late
36:54
Speaker 2: to use that because if you do that, you're going
36:56
Speaker 2: to be on like a lot of bad lists. Yeah
37:00
Speaker 2: culture though it's not a real thing. If it was,
37:03
Speaker 2: I think it might actually work for this type of
37:05
Speaker 2: especially small influencers or up and coming influencers that could
37:09
Speaker 2: be wrong. And this is to humanize a ice agents
37:15
Speaker 2: and their work. I feel like we can say at
37:16
Speaker 2: this moment it isn't working again, but maybe not. Things
37:20
Speaker 2: may change because this is again they're putting a lot
37:22
Speaker 2: of money behind it. They understood how bad things are
37:26
Speaker 2: looking in by trying to bring in peer to peer
37:28
Speaker 2: approach and some storytelling, they're hoping to get some goodwill
37:32
Speaker 2: and a lot more recruits, acceptable recruits without the because
37:35
Speaker 2: we already again we already seen people like yeah, we
37:37
Speaker 2: don't love it, so that could push further people further away,
37:42
Speaker 2: we don't know. And they've been using specific locations for
37:46
Speaker 2: their targeted ads, hoping to get a lot of recruits
37:49
Speaker 2: from hot spots like Minneapolis and Chicago and other major
37:52
Speaker 2: cities like New York and Los Angeles who are on
37:55
Speaker 2: lists to have more and more facilities as well as
37:59
Speaker 2: they're thinking of taking their tactics that they use in Minneapolis,
38:02
Speaker 2: in Chicago to New York and LA like they're threatening
38:05
Speaker 2: it right now. So they're also using large job fairs
38:08
Speaker 2: and expos as well. Again that's not untypical. A lot
38:12
Speaker 2: of government agencies do this and trying to ket recruit.
38:15
Speaker 2: The largest local target was noted to be in New Orleans,
38:18
Speaker 2: which is currently again holding one of the larger immigration
38:21
Speaker 2: detention centers, so that makes sense. But they're using events. Again,
38:27
Speaker 2: we kind of talked about NASCAR before, but they're actually
38:29
Speaker 2: using events such as the NASCAR Cookout Southern five hundred
38:32
Speaker 2: in South Carolina, Like they got a booth ready, the
38:35
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night in Las Vegas, and a sponsorship in
38:39
Speaker 2: the National Finals Rodeo in Las Vegas, so you will
38:42
Speaker 2: see them in booths there.
38:44
Speaker 3: If you go to those things. I will not be
38:47
Speaker 3: one to those things obviously.
38:49
Speaker 2: No, even if I did like them, Nope, and how
38:52
Speaker 2: interested them?
38:53
Speaker 1: No? Thanks. Well, they're also not just recruiting, they are
38:59
Speaker 1: targeting specific communities with a message to self deport from
39:05
Speaker 1: the Washington Post quote. The ad library for Meta, which
39:09
Speaker 1: runs Facebook and Instagram, shows that DHS has spent more
39:13
Speaker 1: than one million dollars on self deportation ads in the
39:17
Speaker 1: last ninety days targeted to people interested in Latin music,
39:22
Speaker 1: Spanish as a second language, and Mexican cuisine. On a
39:26
Speaker 1: message board for the music streaming service Pandora, some users
39:29
Speaker 1: were furious about the ads that they called fear mongering propaganda.
39:34
Speaker 1: One user, who said she is a US citizen who
39:37
Speaker 1: likes listening to reggaeton, said that she had been overwhelmed
39:40
Speaker 1: by DHS commercials quote implying I am an undocumented immigrant
39:45
Speaker 1: and instructing me to go home. That played in nearly
39:49
Speaker 1: every other ad slot I.
39:51
Speaker 3: Hear, which is an interesting tactic.
39:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one way to put it.
39:58
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I'm glad you enjoyed this music. To get
40:00
Speaker 2: out right, clearly they're like wait what. And it has
40:06
Speaker 2: been noted that so far, although it's only February, they
40:10
Speaker 2: have not spent the allotted amount they have set aside
40:13
Speaker 2: for more ads and targeting. Again, I think we may
40:16
Speaker 2: see some influencers who will be hosting lives with either
40:19
Speaker 2: ICE officers or sharing heartwarming stories to humanize them as
40:23
Speaker 2: a part of their campaign, and we'll be able to
40:25
Speaker 2: see which companies are playing it safe with the current administration,
40:30
Speaker 2: meaning all the ads and people that bring on and
40:32
Speaker 2: who they sponsor. Also side note platforms like Spotify and
40:36
Speaker 2: Pandora run as that are not always brought to you
40:39
Speaker 2: by us. We have not vetted them.
40:41
Speaker 3: I just wander to this.
40:42
Speaker 2: Yes, if you hear one of them on our podcast,
40:44
Speaker 2: please let us know immediately. You need to go ahead
40:48
Speaker 2: and understand and assume we did not approve that in
40:50
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form. No.
40:53
Speaker 1: In fact, we very emphatically send a message that said,
40:57
Speaker 1: do not ever play an ICE ad on our podcast,
41:02
Speaker 1: and so if they do, let us know.
41:07
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna put this here, even though I'm
41:09
Speaker 2: like trying to stay a little like report and give
41:12
Speaker 2: information unbiasedly. But we as a person in groups, guys,
41:16
Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, And if that wasn't enough money, and
41:29
Speaker 2: I know, we just talked about ads, but we also
41:31
Speaker 2: talked about how much money they're getting on so many
41:33
Speaker 2: other things, and we'll probably talk a little bit about that.
41:35
Speaker 2: But they're also looking to get another eleven billion dollars
41:40
Speaker 2: on top of the already eighty five million, which is
41:43
Speaker 2: four times their regular amount, and it seems they're looking
41:46
Speaker 2: for more money to expand or at least include more
41:50
Speaker 2: detention centers. Honestly, I'm kind of good confused about this situation,
41:55
Speaker 2: because why don't you already have enough money. I know
41:59
Speaker 2: there's there, you haven't spent it. Why do you need
42:02
Speaker 2: eleven billion dollars eleven more billion dollars?
42:04
Speaker 3: But whatever.
42:06
Speaker 2: At the same time, it's hard to run a for
42:09
Speaker 2: profit private center that gives minimal care and provide barely
42:13
Speaker 2: enough necessities for basic human rights, I guess and survival.
42:19
Speaker 2: You gotta get that money somehow. I mean, there's some
42:22
Speaker 2: fishy money slide of hand that we've been talking about.
42:26
Speaker 2: Christy Nolmes has been accused of a few things recently,
42:29
Speaker 2: so I mean whatever. Yes, they are buying up properties
42:33
Speaker 2: all over the country without any accountability. Currently, contracts all
42:38
Speaker 2: around the country have been have people reeling like people
42:41
Speaker 2: are now seeing them like that. Here in Georgia actually, uh,
42:45
Speaker 2: not too far outside of Atlanta, in a small conservative
42:48
Speaker 2: area known as a Social Circle, DHS Purchase has purchased
42:52
Speaker 2: a warehouse looking to make a new detention center, which,
42:55
Speaker 2: by the way, we have a few, we have several.
42:58
Speaker 2: We don't want those. And even when the Trump voters
43:01
Speaker 2: there are upset like most of them.
43:04
Speaker 3: Is interesting.
43:05
Speaker 2: They have with the mayor of the town come together
43:08
Speaker 2: to speak out on their concerns of this type of
43:11
Speaker 2: facility in their backyards. So yes, we know they are
43:15
Speaker 2: selfishly concerned about the impact on them more than the
43:20
Speaker 2: people being detained, so that's not surprise and that should
43:23
Speaker 2: be noted. At the same time, they're still upset, so
43:26
Speaker 2: you know, sure a wins the win, I guess. Some
43:30
Speaker 2: have commented that they are worried at what this will
43:31
Speaker 2: do to their resources. More have actually said that watching
43:34
Speaker 2: how bad ICE has been acting in other states, have
43:38
Speaker 2: no concern for their people's safety and don't like how
43:42
Speaker 2: people are being treated by the agents, So some of
43:45
Speaker 2: them are realizing, eh, we don't like the looks of this.
43:49
Speaker 2: I will say. There is an office opening in Atlanta,
43:52
Speaker 2: but they are putting it in a predominantly black area
43:57
Speaker 2: known as Each Point, which is interesting. There have been
44:00
Speaker 2: so many jokes made about coming to Atlanta, but honestly,
44:04
Speaker 2: I'm scared put it there. It has even brought both
44:08
Speaker 2: conservative and liberals together to protests against the possibility of
44:12
Speaker 2: this new detention center, and has caught the attention of
44:15
Speaker 2: state officials, including our own representatives John Ossoff and Raphael Warnock,
44:20
Speaker 2: which I would hope they would be concerned, but they are.
44:24
Speaker 2: They're speaking out. But the conservatives too hardcore Trump supporter
44:30
Speaker 2: Mike Collins, who is running for something. I can't remember
44:32
Speaker 2: if a senator or governor. He's running for something, but whatever,
44:35
Speaker 2: who has been a pro Ice. He's been pro Trump
44:39
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, has come about with a little
44:40
Speaker 2: bit of a hesitation on the new facility, saying that
44:44
Speaker 2: he supports the constituents in their displeasure and really things
44:47
Speaker 2: that we need to go back to the table and
44:49
Speaker 2: have a conversation about whether or not this should be here.
44:52
Speaker 3: I found that interesting.
44:54
Speaker 2: And Georgia isn't the only spot. Again, there's a lot
44:57
Speaker 2: happening on many popping up left right. As more and
45:01
Speaker 2: more facilities are being planned under the radar, residents are
45:04
Speaker 2: upset and at not being notified or being a part
45:06
Speaker 2: of the conversation at all. So Wired dot com have
45:11
Speaker 2: been watching ICE closely, like they have a whole tracking
45:14
Speaker 2: that they're trying to publish, So you know, I had
45:16
Speaker 2: to get that information and CBP and one of the
45:20
Speaker 2: things that they are reporting right now is about the
45:22
Speaker 2: fast tracking of these detention centers.
45:26
Speaker 3: Again.
45:26
Speaker 2: This article they wrote, which is titled ICE is expanding
45:29
Speaker 2: across the US at breakneck speed. Here's where it's going next.
45:33
Speaker 2: And this was released today, So February eleventh, twenty twenty six,
45:38
Speaker 2: this article just popped up and I was like, yeah,
45:39
Speaker 2: I guess we're going to get into this. So federal
45:42
Speaker 2: records obtained by WIREDS show that over the past several months,
45:46
Speaker 2: Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE and the Department of Homeland
45:48
Speaker 2: Security have carried out a secret campaign to expand ICE's
45:52
Speaker 2: physical presence across the US. Documents show that more than
45:56
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty leases and office expansions have or
45:59
Speaker 2: would place new facilities in nearly every state, many of
46:04
Speaker 2: them in or just outside of the country's largest metropolitan areas.
46:08
Speaker 2: In many cases, these facilities, which are to be used
46:11
Speaker 2: by street level agents and ICE attorneyes, are located near
46:14
Speaker 2: elementary schools, medical offices, places of worship, and other sensitive locations. Reminder,
46:21
Speaker 2: one of the executive orders allows for arrests at places
46:25
Speaker 2: like this where we wasn't allowed before. So there are
46:29
Speaker 2: a lot of concerns with how the administration is going
46:32
Speaker 2: forward in these purchases, many emails and memorandums where DHS
46:37
Speaker 2: actually ignore government procedures in the name of national security.
46:41
Speaker 2: With that they bypass other acts and policies to get
46:44
Speaker 2: these facilities, stating, quote, the need for supplies or services
46:49
Speaker 2: is of such unusual and compelling urgency that the government
46:52
Speaker 2: would be seriously injured unless the agency is permitted to
46:56
Speaker 2: limit the number of sources from which its solicits, bids,
46:58
Speaker 2: or proposals. Full and open competitions need not be provided.
47:03
Speaker 2: So essentially they're bypassing the opening for bidders to have
47:07
Speaker 2: different contracts and to be more fair and open about
47:09
Speaker 2: that and being able to choose whoever they want and
47:13
Speaker 2: doing it quickly. And they have. They've already picked out
47:16
Speaker 2: two contractors who are doing this very quickly. Oh and
47:21
Speaker 2: it's all about securing space. This is nothing to make
47:24
Speaker 2: it inhabitable. There's no renovation conversations. They're not talking about
47:27
Speaker 2: like actually making livable. They just want to get that
47:30
Speaker 2: space immediately. This justification was used throughout to get nationwide
47:35
Speaker 2: acquisition and did so in order to achieve the goals
47:38
Speaker 2: of detention for the record breaking number of immigrants. So
47:41
Speaker 2: they already had that one million that they wanted within.
47:44
Speaker 3: The first year.
47:44
Speaker 2: They're trying to build on that. I think it was
47:46
Speaker 2: like one point six million. As it continues, and we'll
47:50
Speaker 2: tell you this, the numbers are not clear. Their numbers
47:55
Speaker 2: fluctuate a lot, and they are not telling us everything.
47:58
Speaker 3: Including people dying and people going missing.
48:03
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about that later. And they focused
48:06
Speaker 2: on a few key stakes, including Texas, which has the
48:09
Speaker 2: largest amount of facilities. One of the largest facilities they
48:12
Speaker 2: have acquired is an El Paso which just recently, like today,
48:18
Speaker 2: you know, yesterday had a ten day closure for the
48:20
Speaker 2: El Paso International Airport, but it's already been lifted. I
48:24
Speaker 2: think because it came out, everybody started reporting very quickly,
48:27
Speaker 2: like what is happening. The people of El Paso were
48:30
Speaker 2: coming like we're scared. We don't know what's going on.
48:32
Speaker 2: At this time, no real reason was given, but was
48:36
Speaker 2: told something about the Mexican cartel breaching with drones, which
48:40
Speaker 2: feels like a red herring to be honest. Yeah, as
48:44
Speaker 2: with everything else when it comes to the immigration policies.
48:47
Speaker 1: M yeah, well, currently there doesn't seem to be a
48:53
Speaker 1: statistic to show how many immigration detention facilities there are.
48:58
Speaker 1: According to Freedom for Immigration dot com org, they estimate
49:01
Speaker 1: at least two thousand facilities being used, but this is
49:04
Speaker 1: including countries outside of the US, so.
49:07
Speaker 2: That's not just yeah, so there doesn't seem to be numbers.
49:10
Speaker 2: People are kind of giving like ideals, especially as more
49:14
Speaker 2: and more facilities are being bought out and we're trying
49:16
Speaker 2: to figure out where they are, and because it's being
49:21
Speaker 2: done privately with through private organizations, we're not getting much information.
49:27
Speaker 2: American Immigration Council dot org they do say this that
49:30
Speaker 2: they at the end of the November twenty twenty five
49:31
Speaker 2: there was a ninety one percent increase of facilities for
49:34
Speaker 2: immigration detentions, so they know that there's a giant jump
49:38
Speaker 2: of the amount of centers there are. So from Trade
49:40
Speaker 2: Supports dot org they report as of January twenty twenty six,
49:44
Speaker 2: there was seventy seven hundred and sixty six people who
49:47
Speaker 2: are being detained by ICE or CBP currently. Again, this
49:52
Speaker 2: is a very specific number, but I think it's changing
49:54
Speaker 2: very quickly. And from what I gathered, I fineled like
49:56
Speaker 2: two months earlier there were twenty thousand less than that,
49:59
Speaker 2: so it was I fifty thousand something something, So it
50:01
Speaker 2: is growing quickly and as of today, again, this will
50:07
Speaker 2: quickly change as they're in the process of negotiating, because
50:11
Speaker 2: I don't know if you realize, I didn't realize until
50:13
Speaker 2: I read it that we had a shutdown, a government
50:15
Speaker 2: shut down for like a split second in regards with
50:19
Speaker 2: that eleven billion dollar edition. Everything else was approved, so everything,
50:24
Speaker 2: all the other different departments had an increase in funds
50:29
Speaker 2: or had approve of funds. They stopped at the DHS
50:32
Speaker 2: one because they're like, wait, what are we doing. The
50:35
Speaker 2: politicians have figured out that people are upset, are really
50:38
Speaker 2: getting upset, and it is becoming a unified thing where
50:41
Speaker 2: everybody's getting upset with what's happening with DHS and ICE.
50:44
Speaker 2: So they feel like they have a moment to negotiate.
50:46
Speaker 2: So right now they're in that process. The Democrats are
50:50
Speaker 2: seeking to negotiate again with these funds. I think they
50:53
Speaker 2: are approving it for a certain amount of days because
50:56
Speaker 2: this is supposed to be approved for a year to
50:57
Speaker 2: four years. They're like, no, we're going to give you
50:59
Speaker 2: a weeks with a little bit of money, but we
51:02
Speaker 2: need to come back and have a conversation. But the
51:04
Speaker 2: problem is they're not negotiating for the amount or the
51:07
Speaker 2: money or even the usage of money. They're pretty much
51:11
Speaker 2: just asking ICE and CBP and DHS to be nice
51:15
Speaker 2: to follow the law literally, is what they're negotiating. If
51:20
Speaker 2: you can't, you can have this money to get more
51:22
Speaker 2: attention centers, but can you just at least follow the
51:25
Speaker 2: law and stop breaking them some of them? Okay, I'm
51:30
Speaker 2: trying not to be mad, but again, some of the
51:33
Speaker 2: things that they are listed in their negotiations are required
51:36
Speaker 2: to not allow for masks so that we can actually
51:41
Speaker 2: see if they're ICE or not and who they are
51:44
Speaker 2: because they don't even have to do that. They're asking
51:47
Speaker 2: for body cams, which is a sensitive subject because there's
51:51
Speaker 2: back and forth about what this is actually doing, who
51:53
Speaker 2: this is actually helping, and is this what is the solution.
51:57
Speaker 3: I'm going to say no, and to.
52:00
Speaker 2: Also stop profiling, which to be fair, the Supreme Court
52:05
Speaker 2: of that's cool, man, you can do.
52:06
Speaker 3: That if you want.
52:09
Speaker 2: So, I guess you know that's legal and just basic
52:13
Speaker 2: stuff essentially is what they're requesting at this point. Again,
52:18
Speaker 2: as of right now, unless something has changed in the
52:21
Speaker 2: last hour since we've been recording, we don't know what's
52:25
Speaker 2: going to happen. I guess minimally at least they're addressing
52:29
Speaker 2: some things, but yeah, overall, the government is disappointing on
52:34
Speaker 2: every will. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna come back with some
52:40
Speaker 2: better stuff. Well but actually, let me be honest, We're
52:43
Speaker 2: gonna come back with some worse stuff and then follow
52:45
Speaker 2: up with some better stuff. In this conversation, but again,
52:49
Speaker 2: I think it's really important in what we are looking at,
52:52
Speaker 2: what is being funded, who is responsible for some of
52:55
Speaker 2: these things. Also to note that we need to keep
52:57
Speaker 2: an eye on the de tension centers that are happening,
53:00
Speaker 2: that are being done quietly. The l PASO stuff, Like
53:05
Speaker 2: I think I did not get into it much, but
53:07
Speaker 2: there's some concerning conversations in that one alone, and I
53:10
Speaker 2: think we need to have a lot of awareness and
53:15
Speaker 2: conversations again about about these places and what is what
53:21
Speaker 2: they're giving up for.
53:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, well there will be a part three,
53:35
Speaker 4: maybe a Valentines Hay, Gallantines and Valentines.
53:42
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53:48
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53:51
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