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Chargers & Giants need LEADERSHIP from Harbaugh Brothers, CFB coaches under MAJOR PRESSURE + NFL Pre-Week 3 Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The Volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff. Three
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Speaker 1: and out podcast. How is everybody doing? Hopefully you are
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Speaker 1: doing well. We got a lot going on in the
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Speaker 1: football world. Some serious pressure on the Harbaugh brothers. Some
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Speaker 1: serious pressure on Lincoln Riley. We'll do a bunch of
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Speaker 1: mailbag questions. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire in
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Speaker 1: ACC Network now. up-and-coming star. And yeah, so we'll just
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Speaker 1: get ready for this big Packer-Falcons game. I won't. I'm
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Speaker 1: not really talking. I'll react to that game tomorrow. But
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Speaker 1: thank God Panix is back because we couldn't watch those
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Speaker 1: other two guys, even though I'm not really confident it's
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Speaker 1: going to look that much better. I think the Packers
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Speaker 1: are going to get their swag back. I feel pretty
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Speaker 1: confident about that. But Other than that, it was exciting.
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Speaker 1: We're in the mix now, football. We are pedal to
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Speaker 1: the metal, grinding, and football season's off and running. Let's
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Speaker 1: just dive into the show. Let's just start with the
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh brothers, who you saw the look on John's face
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Speaker 1: on Monday, which is the look every coach has that
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Speaker 1: is like, could my season be over in September when
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Speaker 1: my quarterback's laying there on the ground? It's a devastating
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Speaker 1: look for most positions when you have a star player
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Speaker 1: laying on the ground. But I would say that's amplified
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Speaker 1: tenfold when it's the quarterback. And Jim, with the Chargers
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Speaker 1: at 0-2, like, sometimes you get off to a slow start.
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Speaker 1: The Texans did last year. The Texans did again this year.
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Speaker 1: I would imagine when the dust settles, the Texans will
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Speaker 1: have 10-plus wins. Just like last year, they ended up, what, 12-5. So, like, listen,
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Speaker 1: it happens. But this feels a little bit different. And
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this like, you know, Ben Johnson
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Speaker 1: right now. Caleb's hurt. Somehow Bajent has a concussion. Obviously
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Speaker 1: got it in the game. And he was pretty mum
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Speaker 1: about it today. Tried to, you know, play some coach speak.
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Speaker 1: It does feel like Case Keenum's going to start on
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Speaker 1: Monday night against the Eagles. But when you have a
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Speaker 1: head coach who is a coordinator... Their ability to manipulate
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Speaker 1: and impact the game on Sunday, Monday, or Thursday is
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Speaker 1: just a lot different than the CEO head coaches. And
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about, like, I had a buddy who
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Speaker 1: was caddying at a golf course years ago. And he
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Speaker 1: was telling me about the, at the time, the Chipotle CEO.
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Speaker 1: And he carried his bag for 18 holes. Obviously, the
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Speaker 1: guy got hired, I think, relatively quickly after that. Now
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Speaker 1: he's the Starbucks CEO. Before that, he was the Taco
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Speaker 1: Bell CEO. I mean, his resume speaks for itself. He's
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Speaker 1: a pretty impressive guy. And he's like, I was just
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Speaker 1: blown away. You spend four hours with the guy walking
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Speaker 1: around talking. You could just see like this guy, you know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes in life you meet somebody, whether it be an athlete,
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Speaker 1: whether it be a businessman, whether it be anybody. And
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Speaker 1: you're like, guy kind of has it. And a huge
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Speaker 1: part of a CEO, like in business, right, when Starbucks
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Speaker 1: or Chipotle or one of these guys hires, you know,
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Speaker 1: an individual, typically their company's down bad, right? And they
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Speaker 1: need them to get them going in the right direction
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Speaker 1: and then obviously start generating money, start generating revenue and
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Speaker 1: increase the stock price. But when you get hired to
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Speaker 1: a bad situation, it's like you gotta fix a lot
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Speaker 1: of problems. You gotta get the train back on the
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Speaker 1: track directed in the right direction, right? And when I
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Speaker 1: think about a CEO, I think about a problem solver.
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Speaker 1: Because come Sunday or come Monday, when Jackson Dart went down,
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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh's not calling any of the plays. His rah-rah
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Speaker 1: speech is kind of useless when they're standing on the sideline.
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Speaker 1: His work as the leader, as the rah-rah guy, Jim too,
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Speaker 1: is really Monday through Friday. That's when their impact is made.
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Speaker 1: And I would throw Dan Campbell in there as well.
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Speaker 1: But there's nothing you can do when you lose your
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. But my question is this. You're being paid
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Speaker 1: $ 20 million a year. Is your team about to go 3-14?
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Speaker 1: Or can you win six or seven games and be
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Speaker 1: really competitive and hold your head high? And be like,
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Speaker 1: you know what? There was a lot of grit, determination, metal.
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Speaker 1: We learned a lot about this franchise over the course
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Speaker 1: of the crappy hand they were dealt when this guy's
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Speaker 1: knee got snapped in half against the Rams. For the
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Speaker 1: most part in Jim Harbaugh's career, it's gone pretty well.
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Speaker 1: I would say he hit a couple bumps in Michigan,
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't like they were winning two or three games.
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Speaker 1: Like their down years were eight, nine wins. But when
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Speaker 1: they hired him, their expectation was to beat Ohio State
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Speaker 1: and win a championship. Clearly took a little bit longer
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Speaker 1: than expected, but ultimately he got done. I don't remember
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Speaker 1: him having, not just, it's one thing to have an
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Speaker 1: 0-2 record. It's another thing to look this shitty. And
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Speaker 1: both those guys, I would imagine, make a combined, John
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Speaker 1: might make a little more than Jim, but $ 35, $ 38 million.
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Speaker 1: They are being paid a ton to lead the troops.
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Speaker 1: And right now, both of them are down bad. And clearly,
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Speaker 1: the Jameis Winston experiment could be a one and done
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Speaker 1: after this Titans game. I said it the other night.
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Speaker 1: Every game Jameis Winston starts, I will pick against the Giants.
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Speaker 1: And the Chargers this week play the Bills, who are
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Speaker 1: coming off a mini bye because they played on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: Current point spread is, I think, over a touchdown. I
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Speaker 1: would imagine most human beings are not going to be
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Speaker 1: picking the Chargers. and kind of expect the Chargers to implode.
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Speaker 1: And there are rumblings like, has Harbaugh's message got stale?
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Speaker 1: You bringing Mike McDaniel to run the offense? Because Jim,
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Speaker 1: even as a former quarterback, cannot. But he can implement
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Speaker 1: the belief. You know, a wise man once said, when
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Speaker 1: I first got into football, when he would talk to
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Speaker 1: the team, he was assistant coach, when you find yourself
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Speaker 1: in a hole, the quickest way to get out is
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Speaker 1: to drop the shovel. And I think both these two
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Speaker 1: teams are in desperate need for some leadership. And this
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Speaker 1: is exactly why the Giants got so aggressive and hired John.
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Speaker 1: And not only, you know, paying him $ 100 million, which
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Speaker 1: a lot of college coaches like Lane Kiffin has a
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Speaker 1: $ 90 million contract. Lincoln Riley has a $ 100 million contract.
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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh's contract is for five years. So it's not
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Speaker 1: like he has a 10-year $ 100 million contract, which the
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Speaker 1: Raiders gave Gruden once upon a time. Like, they expected
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Speaker 1: big things. A lot of people did coming into this season.
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Speaker 1: We don't hold you to the same level of expectations or,
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Speaker 1: you know, ceiling as a team once Jackson Dart is
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Speaker 1: on the sideline. But I do think it's fair to
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Speaker 1: go ask the question, are you going to completely implode?
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Speaker 1: Are you just going to start losing to the Titans,
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Speaker 1: losing to the Arizona Cardinals in the next couple weeks?
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Speaker 1: Because after the first week, everyone was riding high. coming
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Speaker 1: into the season, besides like Justin Herbert haters, I think
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Speaker 1: most level-headed people thought the Chargers were going to be
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Speaker 1: pretty competitive. Why? Because the last several years since Jim Harbaugh,
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Speaker 1: they've been competitive. And then if you've watched them the
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Speaker 1: first two weeks, they honestly look much closer to the
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Speaker 1: Jameis Winston Giants than they have the Chargers of the
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Speaker 1: previous two years. So there's a lot of pressure on
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Speaker 1: these two guys. Obviously, John Harbaugh in New York City
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Speaker 1: is under a bigger microscope, bigger market. More people talk
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Speaker 1: about that team than the Chargers. But Jim is probably
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Speaker 1: as big of a brand as his own football team.
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Speaker 1: And I'm fascinated. I've always been a believer in Jim.
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Speaker 1: It's the first time after watching these two games of like,
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Speaker 1: something is off. Something is seriously off. And the one
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Speaker 1: skill both guys have always had is they hire well.
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Speaker 1: And they also have lost a lot of coaches over
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Speaker 1: the years, right? Jim just lost Jesse Minter, who some
8:56
Speaker 1: consider Mike McDonald 2.0. I wouldn't go that far yet,
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Speaker 1: but clearly as a defensive coordinator, he was definitely closer
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Speaker 1: to elite than he was average. And they replaced him
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't look the same. And then because of
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Speaker 1: the pressure, they get rid of Greg Roman, who's now
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Speaker 1: back with his brother. And they hire, you know, drip, drip, swag, swag,
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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, which has imploded in front of our eyes.
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Speaker 1: So CEOs, their number one gig when something blows up
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Speaker 1: is to fix the problem, right? That's the majority of
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Speaker 1: what they do. They make a ton of decisions every
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Speaker 1: single day. And overall, they're not necessarily always the one
9:37
Speaker 1: on the ground floor making the tweaks. Tim Cook wasn't
9:42
Speaker 1: developing the iPad or the AirPod, but he's greenlighting the
9:46
Speaker 1: project And if it's not going well, he gets on
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Speaker 1: an email or a phone call over the years. Obviously,
9:53
Speaker 1: he's not the CEO anymore of Apple, but says, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to do that anymore. Or this is
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Speaker 1: not a good idea. Or we're going to cut bait.
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Speaker 1: because his job is to lead the direction of the company.
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Speaker 1: And that is what these guys do. Kyle Shanahan leads
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Speaker 1: the team meetings, but he also calls the fucking place.
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Speaker 1: Look at Andy Reid. who came off his worst year
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Speaker 1: by far since he's been the Kansas City Chiefs head coach.
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Speaker 1: The offense was broken. The team just looked out of juice.
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Speaker 1: Came back, signed Kenneth Walker. Clearly, they revamped Travis. They
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Speaker 1: gave him a new contract, which I thought was even
10:28
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. He looks like a pro bowler. Kenneth
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Speaker 1: Walker looks like one of the best running backs in
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Speaker 1: the league. It's like, how about their first-round left tackle
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Speaker 1: who has this weird injury and just can't ever practice
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Speaker 1: or play? It's like, we're going to start an undrafted
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Speaker 1: free agent at left tackle, who we actually didn't even
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Speaker 1: sign right after the draft. It was a rookie minicamp tryout,
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Speaker 1: and he's our starting left tackle. Have you noticed him?
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Speaker 1: I haven't. So when I hear that like, oh, the
10:52
Speaker 1: Chargers guard, center guard suck. It's like, well, the Chiefs
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Speaker 1: are starting an undrafted free agent at left tackle and
11:00
Speaker 1: getting along pretty well through two games. Especially against the
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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos who have a really good defense on Monday
11:06
Speaker 1: Night Football. First ever NFL career start. So there's a will,
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Speaker 1: there's a way. And that is when I think about
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Speaker 1: the Harbaugh brothers, that's what I think about. Will, grit, toughness, determination.
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Speaker 1: And typically, like, I've always said this. I don't care
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Speaker 1: who you are in life. Whether you're a podcaster, whether
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Speaker 1: you sell insurance, whether you're a football coach. When things
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Speaker 1: are going well, life is not that hard. Because you
11:33
Speaker 1: don't really need to look in the mirror. You don't
11:35
Speaker 1: need to reevaluate stuff. You don't, like, most human beings
11:39
Speaker 1: are not Nick Saban. Who are constantly on tilt. Who
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Speaker 1: are constantly evaluating. I'm even talking highly successful people. He's
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Speaker 1: an outlier of an outlier. Most human beings, when things
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Speaker 1: are going well, I'm not saying they get on easy street,
11:53
Speaker 1: but you don't look at life the same way as, hey,
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Speaker 1: I just got laid off. Hey, I just got evicted. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm in the hospital. I got in a bad car crash.
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Speaker 1: And you start thinking about everything possible in your life.
12:06
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it's like in the NFL when
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Speaker 1: you start losing. When you have a major injury at quarterback,
12:12
Speaker 1: you evaluate everything because you then are on tilt. And
12:16
Speaker 1: it's kind of survival of the fittest, and you better
12:18
Speaker 1: figure out a way to survive. And that's what I
12:21
Speaker 1: think of Jim and John right now, that they got
12:24
Speaker 1: to both figure out. Because there is a path for
12:27
Speaker 1: both these two teams to win like three, four games.
12:31
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would have believed me if I
12:34
Speaker 1: would have said that two and a half, three weeks
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Speaker 1: ago before the season started. But now we're heading into
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Speaker 1: week three, and I think most people would agree both
12:42
Speaker 1: these two situations are Clearly a little different. You know,
12:46
Speaker 1: he's still got Justin Herbert, but look at that schedule.
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Speaker 1: And obviously, Jameis Winston and who knows what else. My
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Speaker 1: guy Jake Hainer's there. Fired up for him. I would
12:56
Speaker 1: love to see him get some reps, but it could
12:59
Speaker 1: get ugly and it could get ugly fast. Speaking of
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Speaker 1: another guy who... When Lincoln Riley took over for Bob
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Speaker 1: Stoops at Oklahoma, honestly, it couldn't have gone much better.
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Speaker 1: The only thing missing was a national championship. And I
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Speaker 1: think if they play that game 10 times against Georgia
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Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl, I think Oklahoma wins seven or
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Speaker 1: eight of them. They were dominating that game and kind
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Speaker 1: of imploding. And Sonny Michelle and Nick Chubb, I mean,
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Speaker 1: Georgia's team was really good. But I think if they
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Speaker 1: play that thing over again, Oklahoma wins. They were in
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Speaker 1: complete command and kind of blew it. And Baker leaves.
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Speaker 1: He's 37-7 in the Big 12 game. His record as
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Speaker 1: a head coach at Oklahoma was 55-10. So when the Trojans,
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Speaker 1: who were down bad, and the NIL era was starting,
13:54
Speaker 1: paying for big-time coaches was really, really important, they swung
13:58
Speaker 1: for the fences. And they got Lincoln Riley and they
14:01
Speaker 1: celebrated it like they just hired John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh,
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban, you name it. It was a really, really
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Speaker 1: big deal. And four years later, it does feel extremely underwhelming.
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Speaker 1: I mean, at one point in time, they had Caleb
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Speaker 1: Williams and his... Last year, they went 7-5. He didn't
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Speaker 1: play the bowl game. They ended up going 7-6 that year. But, like,
14:23
Speaker 1: coming off a Heisman Trophy and a guy that was
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Speaker 1: viewed as the best player in college football. And he
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Speaker 1: won seven games. And that was not in the Big Ten.
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Speaker 1: That was in the Pac-12. So, I think when you
14:37
Speaker 1: look at the situation... for Lincoln Riley he has Oregon
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Speaker 1: coming to town this week and I looked it up
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Speaker 1: today he's two and five against ranked opponents and his
14:50
Speaker 1: first year in the Big Ten they went seven and
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Speaker 1: six and last year they went nine and four but
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Speaker 1: it was a pretty underwhelming nine and four they blew
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Speaker 1: some road games that were pretty embarrassing that they have
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Speaker 1: not been well traveling I mean hell they almost blew
15:03
Speaker 1: it last week to Rutgers but let's use Lincoln or
15:08
Speaker 1: let's use Lane Kiffin as an example even in the
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Speaker 1: NIL era, I can't hold you to Kurt Cignetti expectations.
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Speaker 1: You get a year or two. Brian Kelly didn't get
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Speaker 1: fired because he didn't win the national championship year one.
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Speaker 1: He got fired because by year three, it was like,
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Speaker 1: what is going on here? This is not good enough.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at Lincoln Riley, he's going into his,
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Speaker 1: this is his fifth season. And because of regulations in
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Speaker 1: the state of California, he can pay high school kids
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Speaker 1: NIL money. That is illegal in a lot of other states.
15:45
Speaker 1: It is a huge, I don't want to call it
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Speaker 1: a scam because it's legal, but relative to all these
15:51
Speaker 1: other programs, it's a huge advantage for USC. And they
15:54
Speaker 1: have taken advantage of it, and early in the season,
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Speaker 1: if you've watched them play, it looks like their 18-year-old
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Speaker 1: true freshman five-star guys are future NFL stars. Now, I hesitate.
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Speaker 1: I would have said that about Marquise Lee as a freshman,
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Speaker 1: as a sophomore. He ended up being a really good player,
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't consider it. We've got to judge you
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Speaker 1: over the aggregate. Some guys like Jeremiah Smith, maintain it.
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Speaker 1: Alabama guy, Ryan Coleman Anderson, I forget his name, always
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Speaker 1: dropping the ball, has not lived up to the hype.
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Speaker 1: Malachi Toney feels like he hasn't skipped a beat. He's
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Speaker 1: clearly gotten better. But like, if not now, then when?
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Speaker 1: And part of, I remember texting my guy at Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you think Lincoln's actually going to leave? He's like,
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Speaker 1: no chance. He just built a mansion in Oklahoma. And
16:48
Speaker 1: this is, in Norman, there's not exactly a ton of
16:52
Speaker 1: millionaires everywhere. He's like, he would never be able to
16:54
Speaker 1: sell it. You know what USC did when they landed
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley? They bought his mansion off him. They said,
17:02
Speaker 1: what's it worth? I mean, there I think it was
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Speaker 1: like $ 3 million. They paid $ 500, 000 more than asking. They
17:11
Speaker 1: have done everything humanly possible for this guy. Got him
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Speaker 1: the GM he wanted, gave him the NIL. And now
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Speaker 1: he's playing Oregon, who as a preseason national championship contender,
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Speaker 1: they clearly have not lived up to the hype. By
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Speaker 1: far the worst loss of the season. Going to Oklahoma
17:28
Speaker 1: State is almost a four-touchdown favorite and losing. Now, that
17:31
Speaker 1: might age better. Clearly, Eric Morris, I would say, if
17:35
Speaker 1: you were buying some stock in some coaches that aren't
17:38
Speaker 1: maybe household names, Eric Morris and Bob Chesney at UCLA
17:42
Speaker 1: would be two names. And that's another problem for Lincoln.
17:46
Speaker 1: I'm not saying UCLA is as good as USC right now,
17:49
Speaker 1: but that game is no longer going to be a patsy.
17:52
Speaker 1: UCLA is becoming a real program. You know, they beat Cal,
17:57
Speaker 1: they beat Purdue, they beat San Diego State. I'm not
17:59
Speaker 1: acting like they're going to win 10 games here. But
18:02
Speaker 1: I've watched a decent amount of UCLA this year. They're
18:04
Speaker 1: a real football team. And Wayne Wright, the running back
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Speaker 1: that they took from JMU that came with Bob, is
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Speaker 1: a fucking monster. Little guy, baller. Here's the other problem
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Speaker 1: for Lincoln this year. He has to go to Indiana
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Speaker 1: and go to Penn State. He clearly has not traveled
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Speaker 1: that well in the Big Ten. And he gets Ohio
18:28
Speaker 1: State at home. I just don't think, hey, we went 8-4, 9-3,
18:33
Speaker 1: but the schedule was hard. We missed the playoffs. He's
18:35
Speaker 1: going to fly that much longer. This is my issue
18:38
Speaker 1: with Lane Kiffin. There's a marketing plan behind him that
18:42
Speaker 1: is incredible. And he plays a huge role in that.
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Speaker 1: And then I saw today, he was like, well, that
18:47
Speaker 1: was Ole Miss' Super Bowl. And that's, yeah, Lane, there's
18:50
Speaker 1: some truth to that. But it's also kind of your, like,
18:54
Speaker 1: you just left them. Like, you kind of need to
18:56
Speaker 1: win these games too. Because last time I checked, unlike Lincoln,
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Speaker 1: on your resume, I don't see that many big wins.
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Speaker 1: Because newsflash, there haven't been that many big wins. And
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Speaker 1: there have been throughout your career, especially at Ole Miss,
19:10
Speaker 1: some devastating losses as favorites. Like the one biggest win
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Speaker 1: of your career that you hold on to is you
19:15
Speaker 1: beat Georgia. Well, Pete Golding beat Georgia last year, too,
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So I think some of these guys,
19:22
Speaker 1: when they're making huge amounts of money, getting a huge
19:25
Speaker 1: investment from the boosters and the NIL, paying a ton
19:28
Speaker 1: of money for the players, this is why Dan Lanning
19:31
Speaker 1: was under so much pressure and heat immediately when he
19:34
Speaker 1: lost that Oklahoma State game. Not because he was going
19:37
Speaker 1: to get fired, but because a lot of people are
19:40
Speaker 1: stroking big-ass checks right I'm sure some people that the
19:45
Speaker 1: picture went viral of Dan Lanning's meeting room. There must
19:50
Speaker 1: have been 700 people in his coaching meeting. Personnel people,
19:55
Speaker 1: I don't even know. A buddy of mine, Jeff Schwartz,
19:58
Speaker 1: former Oregon player, he's like, there's multiple position coaches in
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Speaker 1: every room. And in fairness to Lanning, I started texting
20:05
Speaker 1: around some other top 25 programs. They said, honestly, our
20:09
Speaker 1: staff meetings don't look that different. Which to me seems
20:12
Speaker 1: like a little overkill. The amount of people... I promise
20:17
Speaker 1: you this. If you got a view of the Broncos,
20:21
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the 49ers, personnel people as well, there would
20:26
Speaker 1: not be that many people in the room. But, listen,
20:30
Speaker 1: if people are going to pay these individuals and allow
20:33
Speaker 1: you to have a big staff, I don't blame any
20:36
Speaker 1: of these coaches for... you know, hey, we need another
20:39
Speaker 1: guy to do this. Fine, if someone's going to pay him,
20:42
Speaker 1: it ain't their money, right? OPM, baby, other people's money.
20:47
Speaker 1: But eventually, you got to back it up. No one's
20:49
Speaker 1: complaining about Cignetti. You know why? He's winning constantly. Ryan Day, like,
20:54
Speaker 1: once you win that natty, people are off him a
20:56
Speaker 1: little bit. Kirby can do whatever the hell he wants.
21:01
Speaker 1: I do think this is a very, very important... Saturday night,
21:05
Speaker 1: on NBC, playing Oregon. Lincoln Riley was literally paid $ 100 million.
21:12
Speaker 1: Not to beat Rutgers. They could have beat Rutgers with
21:15
Speaker 1: Clay Hilton. He was paid to win this game. And
21:19
Speaker 1: so far, in his... I don't even want to say
21:22
Speaker 1: short tenure anymore. You're on your four and a half.
21:25
Speaker 1: You're paid to win this game. And can he do it?
21:28
Speaker 1: I definitely do not feel confident. Before we do some
21:32
Speaker 1: mailbag questions... I wanted to talk about Bryce Young. And
21:35
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21:46
Speaker 1: the perfect time to plant. Let's grow together. I was
21:51
Speaker 1: doing a little babysitting this morning, as my wife calls parenting.
21:56
Speaker 1: And I had coward on in the background. And he
21:58
Speaker 1: played a clip from Dave Canales discussing Bryce Young. who currently,
22:06
Speaker 1: there's no one in the NFL that has more touchdowns
22:08
Speaker 1: than Bryce Young. Dak, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, some guys
22:13
Speaker 1: also have six. But no one in the league has
22:16
Speaker 1: more touchdowns than him. And statistically, you go, it looks fantastic.
22:20
Speaker 1: I'd argue the eye test looks even better. And the
22:24
Speaker 1: one thing Canales talked about in the clip that Coward
22:28
Speaker 1: played was, we've grown together with Bryce Young. We want
22:32
Speaker 1: to do the things that magnify his strengths. And we've
22:37
Speaker 1: all been together now for going into our second year,
22:41
Speaker 1: and we are trying to take steps with him so
22:44
Speaker 1: everyone's on the same page and he can play his
22:46
Speaker 1: best football. And you watch him right now, he is
22:50
Speaker 1: playing outstanding. And I text to a buddy in the league,
22:55
Speaker 1: I think it's tangible. His arm looks stronger than it
22:59
Speaker 1: did a couple years ago. Now they've done a good
23:02
Speaker 1: job from a personnel standpoint. When you have shorter wide receivers,
23:06
Speaker 1: watch Trinidad. You know what Ole Miss has? They don't
23:09
Speaker 1: have 5'7 wide receivers. It feels like all their guys
23:11
Speaker 1: are 6'2 to 6'4. Why? Because sometimes it's hard to
23:16
Speaker 1: see over the middle of the field when you have
23:18
Speaker 1: a 6'4 guy blocking a 6'5 guy. So if you
23:23
Speaker 1: give me a bigger catching radius, throw that bad boy
23:26
Speaker 1: in there, gonna be good. Well, what do the Carolina
23:30
Speaker 1: Panthers have? They have tall, wide receivers. And he's slinging
23:34
Speaker 1: that pill around right now. So I might have been wrong.
23:40
Speaker 1: You know, the thing is, I loved Bryce Young in college.
23:43
Speaker 1: Loved him. I remember the game they beat Georgia in
23:47
Speaker 1: the SEC championship game. They ended up losing in the
23:50
Speaker 1: national championship. But they had lost Jameson Williams, I think,
23:56
Speaker 1: in the Georgia game. And then I forget the other
23:59
Speaker 1: guy's name who was a second rounder who also, they
24:01
Speaker 1: lost back-to-back their top two wide receivers. And he just
24:05
Speaker 1: didn't have enough. But I remember watching him thinking, obviously
24:07
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. I mean, he was an
24:09
Speaker 1: elite high school recruit out of California, went to Bama,
24:13
Speaker 1: started for a couple years. And he just, to me,
24:16
Speaker 1: there was like a gamer aspect to him. But once
24:19
Speaker 1: he got to the NFL, this is the one thing
24:21
Speaker 1: that I was always struggling with, is you saw him
24:24
Speaker 1: in the uniform. You're like, God, he looks so small.
24:27
Speaker 1: And he's not a great athlete. Doesn't have the biggest arm.
24:30
Speaker 1: His athleticism hasn't changed. But his arm definitely feels bigger.
24:35
Speaker 1: And he deserves a lot of credit. The Panthers deserve
24:38
Speaker 1: a lot of credit. And it's cool to watch guys
24:40
Speaker 1: just get better. And sometimes it happens. And typically no
24:45
Speaker 1: one gets better in the NFL without being a grinder.
24:49
Speaker 1: And it goes back to Saban. It's kind of hard
24:52
Speaker 1: to play for Saban if you're not a grinder. It
24:55
Speaker 1: really is. And I would say the one guy Saban
24:58
Speaker 1: really missed on that got drafted high was Tua. But
25:01
Speaker 1: part of Tua, like, he got seven concussions. And he's
25:04
Speaker 1: never been the same. Was he ever going to live
25:07
Speaker 1: up to being the number five overall pick? Probably not.
25:09
Speaker 1: But I think we'd all agree, pre all the concussions,
25:12
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25:17
Speaker 1: benched for Saban. Like, you got to be a mentally
25:20
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25:25
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25:29
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25:32
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25:35
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27:51
Speaker 1: playing fantasy. I texted the group chat. We got, you know,
27:57
Speaker 1: 12 guys or whatever in the group chat for the volume,
27:59
Speaker 1: bunch of different producers, bunch of guys. They've all been
28:02
Speaker 1: playing fantasy for forever. I said, this is a miserable experience.
28:07
Speaker 1: This is not fun. It's not. I don't understand how
28:13
Speaker 1: you guys all do it. And I got multiple replies, basically. Yeah,
28:17
Speaker 1: it tends to be not that fun. It's fun leading
28:21
Speaker 1: up to it, and then you start playing, and it's
28:24
Speaker 1: not an enjoyable experience. Can you give us your starting
28:26
Speaker 1: roster and who you have on the bench? Well, I
28:31
Speaker 1: did make a good move last week because Joe Burrow,
28:34
Speaker 1: who I kind of regret taking that high. I think
28:37
Speaker 1: I took with my second pick. He was playing the Texans.
28:40
Speaker 1: He had the back tightness. I'm like, so I look
28:43
Speaker 1: at the waiver wire. Who do I see? Speaking of trees.com,
28:46
Speaker 1: Bryce Young picked him up last week. They gave me
28:49
Speaker 1: like 30 points. So I got Bryce Young and Joe Burrow.
28:53
Speaker 1: My running backs, Kenneth Walker and Lloyd, the running back
28:56
Speaker 1: for the Packers, who just isn't that good. My receivers
28:59
Speaker 1: are Parker Washington, DK Metcalf, Puka Nakua, Golden Debo, and
29:05
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. Tight end, Kelsey and Gatson from the Chargers. Kicker, Butker,
29:12
Speaker 1: and defense is the Texans. So I benched Kelsey last week.
29:18
Speaker 1: That was a massive mistake. Part of the reason I
29:21
Speaker 1: hate fantasy. If I could do anything over, I would
29:25
Speaker 1: not have DK Metcalf on my team. But Rodgers said
29:28
Speaker 1: he's going to throw him the ball all the time.
29:29
Speaker 1: And you look, he's throwing the ball, and the balls
29:31
Speaker 1: are just bouncing all over the place. But, yeah, it's
29:36
Speaker 1: just maddening. Alexander, considering beating the Cowboys week one and
29:44
Speaker 1: Giants fan talking about real hopes of winning the division,
29:47
Speaker 1: versus the Jets losing Rodgers week one, three plays in,
29:51
Speaker 1: which injury do you think is worse and more deflating
29:54
Speaker 1: for the fan base? I think in the short term...
29:59
Speaker 1: It was clearly Rodgers. It was the hype. The Jets
30:05
Speaker 1: didn't even get week one. The Jets got a series.
30:13
Speaker 1: How well, hard knocks, how good the montages looked. Also,
30:19
Speaker 1: he was Aaron Vogt and Rodgers. He had just won
30:22
Speaker 1: a couple MVPs. Like, I think it was fair to
30:26
Speaker 1: say the Jets, if Aaron Rodgers had played like he
30:28
Speaker 1: had in years past, they were a lock playoff team. Now,
30:34
Speaker 1: the difference here is you kind of knew, it's almost
30:37
Speaker 1: like dating a stripper or something. You didn't think you
30:43
Speaker 1: were going to have kids and get married here. The
30:45
Speaker 1: Jets knew what they were doing. This was going to
30:47
Speaker 1: be a short-term fix, but we were going to enjoy
30:49
Speaker 1: the hell out of the run. The dart thing was
30:52
Speaker 1: not even necessarily like, okay, they could have gotten 8-9
30:55
Speaker 1: this year. But it would have been like the hope,
30:58
Speaker 1: the vision. We could see what this team can become.
31:02
Speaker 1: And now you're kind of asking yourself, what do we do?
31:07
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine being a Giants fan. Imagine being the
31:11
Speaker 1: Giants front office and the Washington Commanders front office. Like,
31:16
Speaker 1: what do you do? Dart's been injured all the time
31:20
Speaker 1: and now had an injury that literally just cost a season.
31:23
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels has been injured even more. But you go back, well, hey,
31:27
Speaker 1: that rookie season. Well, that rookie season, like, hey, I
31:30
Speaker 1: used to have hair. You know, things change. The difference
31:34
Speaker 1: is you got to pick up the fifth year option
31:36
Speaker 1: this offseason, which if we assume Jaden's not really going
31:40
Speaker 1: to play the rest of the year, I don't see
31:41
Speaker 1: how you can do that. With Jackson, at least, like, hey,
31:45
Speaker 1: we give it another year, but Sometimes the worst type
31:49
Speaker 1: guys in sports are the talented ones that are always injured.
31:55
Speaker 1: It's way easier to deal with, like, hey, this guy's
31:57
Speaker 1: just not good enough. You just move on. Like, J.J.
31:59
Speaker 1: McCarthy is the best type mistake. Like, yeah, he can't play, whatever. Pivot.
32:06
Speaker 1: The next best mistake is like, hey, this guy's really good,
32:09
Speaker 1: but fucking knucklehead. Getting arrested, getting in trouble. Like, yeah,
32:13
Speaker 1: eventually you just draw a line in the sand, you
32:15
Speaker 1: get rid of him. The Jackson darts, the Jaden Daniels,
32:18
Speaker 1: like what could be? It's like, well, what if it
32:21
Speaker 1: never is because they're just always injured? And their play style,
32:25
Speaker 1: both of them, I mean, speaks for itself. So I
32:29
Speaker 1: think by far worst is Rodgers because he was just
32:35
Speaker 1: a dramatically better player at the time. Pretty big, I mean,
32:39
Speaker 1: they're both pretty bad though. By now you can probably
32:44
Speaker 1: tell I'm a loyal listener. I was listening to yesterday's
32:48
Speaker 1: pod and had to pause to ask this. Where are
32:50
Speaker 1: you getting the notion that people are calling the Rams a, quote,
32:54
Speaker 1: super team? You bring it up often, almost as if
32:56
Speaker 1: they proclaimed it themselves. Like Vince Young did the Dream Team.
32:59
Speaker 1: Did I miss something? I don't hear anyone else talking
33:02
Speaker 1: about it. What were the Rams supposed to do? Not
33:04
Speaker 1: go after Donald or Garrett because people might talk about them?
33:07
Speaker 1: Whether we agree with the moves or not, they're trying
33:10
Speaker 1: to improve their team, not create attention. By the way,
33:13
Speaker 1: I'm a Dyer-Pats fan. No reason to even defend the Rams.
33:16
Speaker 1: I just don't understand where the super team narrative. I
33:19
Speaker 1: would say once they landed Miles Garrett, everyone was talking
33:22
Speaker 1: about him like a super team. That's all I heard
33:24
Speaker 1: everywhere I turned. And I'm with you. You trade for
33:30
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie. If Aaron Donald wants to come back, you say, hey,
33:32
Speaker 1: come back. I think you could debate the Miles Garrett trade.
33:37
Speaker 1: Older player. I'm not saying that I'm not playing Monday
33:41
Speaker 1: morning quarterback that I wouldn't have done it. But of
33:44
Speaker 1: all their moves, that is, you know, you got Jared
33:46
Speaker 1: Verse who's been trending in the right direction, who's never
33:49
Speaker 1: going to have the sack numbers. But like, you know,
33:53
Speaker 1: given what you have to give up, including Verse, is
33:57
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett going to play elite football for the next
33:59
Speaker 1: three years? Like, I think that was an understandable question.
34:02
Speaker 1: But once you just at minimum get him for this year,
34:05
Speaker 1: he's coming off the defensive player of the year. No
34:07
Speaker 1: team in the history of the sport has ever had
34:10
Speaker 1: the reigning MVP and the reigning defensive player of the
34:12
Speaker 1: year on the same team. It would have been like
34:16
Speaker 1: having John Elway and Lawrence Taylor in 1987 on the
34:19
Speaker 1: same team. Actually, not a perfect analogy because John Elway
34:24
Speaker 1: was young then. Let's use Brett Favre and Deion Sanders
34:29
Speaker 1: or something. I'm just calling him that because that's all
34:34
Speaker 1: I heard for a long time. but they're no longer
34:36
Speaker 1: a super team. They're a good team. You think the
34:41
Speaker 1: Cardinals would ever trade Harrison in the division of the Niners?
34:44
Speaker 1: Could be a win-win for both depending on what you
34:47
Speaker 1: have to give up. You know what's funny is I've
34:49
Speaker 1: heard this from multiple people that attended his pro day
34:54
Speaker 1: that said it was awful. That said him watching him
34:59
Speaker 1: catch the ball, it just did not look natural. Like
35:03
Speaker 1: you watch... Puka, JSN, Devontae, how, you know, you watch DK, like,
35:09
Speaker 1: DK's much closer to Terrell Owens. I wouldn't exactly call
35:13
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Sr. a natural catcher, right? Devontae Adams, his
35:19
Speaker 1: number one skill, I guess his releases are pretty elite,
35:23
Speaker 1: is just, I would say, his hands and his catching radius, right?
35:27
Speaker 1: How skilled he is with his two hands. Marvin Harrison
35:31
Speaker 1: is not a natural catcher. And then you watch his,
35:34
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the clips going viral. Every time that happens,
35:40
Speaker 1: your value diminishes. So it's like, would... There is something
35:47
Speaker 1: to be said, like any line of work. Can I
35:51
Speaker 1: get something for cheap? Something that once had value that
35:55
Speaker 1: is now cheap, and I try to enhance that value
35:57
Speaker 1: and get something out of it. So do I think
36:00
Speaker 1: a lot of other teams would take a flyer on
36:02
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison... 100%. But at what cost? Based on what
36:08
Speaker 1: we're witnessing, could you give up? A fifth round seems
36:13
Speaker 1: really rich. And if you're the Cardinals, the GM's still there,
36:17
Speaker 1: can you just give up on him? It's pretty clear
36:19
Speaker 1: the coach does not like him. It's pretty clear Kyler
36:22
Speaker 1: Murray didn't think he was any good. And I was
36:25
Speaker 1: told this by a wide receiver coach who scouted him closely,
36:28
Speaker 1: worked him out. They just said there was something off
36:33
Speaker 1: Part of being a great wide receiver, you know, we
36:37
Speaker 1: talk about this with like Aaron Donald, right, or Trent Williams,
36:40
Speaker 1: or Lane Johnson, like in the trenches, right? You know, Crosby,
36:45
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson, just like badasses. Like just this guy's a bad,
36:50
Speaker 1: kind of got to be wired like that, a wide receiver.
36:53
Speaker 1: Most of, you watch Jamar Chase, you watch JSN, you
36:56
Speaker 1: watch Devontae. These guys take this shit really seriously. Marvin
37:01
Speaker 1: Harrison plays like someone who doesn't give a crap. And
37:06
Speaker 1: he's just not good enough. And here's the thing. If
37:08
Speaker 1: I told you Ohio State had a run, and literally
37:11
Speaker 1: all their wide receivers hit, every single one, Alave, JSN, Abuka,
37:21
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith, gonna hit. Tate is playing with a quarterback
37:26
Speaker 1: that can't play, but every team in the league would
37:28
Speaker 1: want Tate on their team. They weren't going to hit
37:31
Speaker 1: on every single guy. And I do think it's fair
37:33
Speaker 1: to call Marvin Harrison Jr. currently a gigantic bust who
37:37
Speaker 1: can't play in the NFL. I would imagine, I don't
37:41
Speaker 1: think it's a lock he's on a different team this year,
37:43
Speaker 1: but he's 100% on a different team next year. How
37:45
Speaker 1: on earth is Florida favored over Ole Miss? Tough place
37:49
Speaker 1: to play. I didn't watch any of the Auburn-Florida games,
37:53
Speaker 1: so I went back to YouTube a couple days ago
37:55
Speaker 1: and just watched the highlights. I mean, the running back, Baugh,
37:59
Speaker 1: that is a very highly paid NIL guy, number 13
38:02
Speaker 1: for Florida, baller. I mean, he can play. Florida, one
38:07
Speaker 1: of the knocks on Billy Napier was not that his
38:10
Speaker 1: team wasn't loaded with NFL guys. It's like he just
38:13
Speaker 1: couldn't win games. So now they got a guy that
38:15
Speaker 1: kind of knows how to coach. They bring over the
38:18
Speaker 1: OC from Georgia Tech, who'd been one of the bigger
38:21
Speaker 1: names in the country. And they look pretty good, man.
38:26
Speaker 1: I don't know how truly talented the quarterback is, but
38:29
Speaker 1: their running back is good. They have NFL guys on defense.
38:34
Speaker 1: Ole Miss, if they play well, they should win. But
38:37
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. You're talking college kids. You ebb
38:39
Speaker 1: and flow throughout the season. You know, how do you
38:42
Speaker 1: get up for that game on the road? It's hard.
38:46
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really going to test Pete Golding.
38:49
Speaker 1: This would be like if you told me Ole Miss
38:53
Speaker 1: won the LSU game two weeks ago, I'd be like,
38:56
Speaker 1: this game is going to be really, really difficult. If
38:59
Speaker 1: you told me they had lost, I would expect Ole
39:01
Speaker 1: Miss to give an incredible effort. This is tough. Don't
39:05
Speaker 1: be shocked if you look up, it's like 14-3 Florida.
39:08
Speaker 1: I can see Ole Miss coming out a little slow.
39:10
Speaker 1: But in Trinidad, we trust. I'm a Packer fan. But
39:14
Speaker 1: in what world the Jets doing at the end of
39:16
Speaker 1: the regulation when they could have had 55 seconds to
39:19
Speaker 1: drive the field off to drive to get a field
39:22
Speaker 1: goal for the win and then didn't call a timeout
39:24
Speaker 1: and then the Packers took a delay game and ran
39:26
Speaker 1: off 10 seconds they could have attempted a 67 yard
39:29
Speaker 1: field goal which is not unheard of for some kickers
39:33
Speaker 1: and the Packers got a Hail Mary attempt which we've
39:35
Speaker 1: seen some crazy outcomes me and my buddy were watching
39:39
Speaker 1: in shock I think Aaron Glenn defended it you know
39:42
Speaker 1: what's funny is I just assumed I had to pee
39:46
Speaker 1: so bad and I left and then I came back
39:48
Speaker 1: and it was an overtime So I had to go
39:50
Speaker 1: back and heard people talking about it and saw Aaron
39:54
Speaker 1: Glenn's comments. It is just one of those, like, at
39:58
Speaker 1: one point in time when they were up 17-7, I'm thinking, like,
40:02
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn is going to kind of resurrect his career here.
40:05
Speaker 1: He's going to put LaFleur truly on the hot seat.
40:08
Speaker 1: He's going to be 2-0. You're going to turn on
40:11
Speaker 1: some of these shows on Monday morning. People are going
40:13
Speaker 1: to be talking about the Jets. And then he just,
40:16
Speaker 1: that 10-second runoff move by LaFleur, got to give him
40:19
Speaker 1: his flowers. I don't know. I can't believe. I don't
40:25
Speaker 1: know what happened there. I don't know what the thought
40:27
Speaker 1: process is. Now you can say he got a drive
40:29
Speaker 1: with Geno. He can throw a pick. Defensive head coach
40:32
Speaker 1: tend to be more conservative. Does come from Dan Campbell, though,
40:36
Speaker 1: where they tend to be aggressive. I have no explanation.
40:42
Speaker 1: What do you think the new overtime rules? I feel
40:44
Speaker 1: like it's still better to take the ball to start
40:46
Speaker 1: overtime because then you probably get a second possession if
40:48
Speaker 1: you tie the opponent on each of the first drives.
40:51
Speaker 1: Although if you elect a kick, you will be able
40:53
Speaker 1: to know what your opponent did on the first drive.
40:56
Speaker 1: And obviously everyone says you get four downs. Listen, I
41:00
Speaker 1: don't know what the analytics say. There's a lot of
41:02
Speaker 1: debate over this. I would always take the ball first.
41:05
Speaker 1: Because if you score a touchdown, you put a lot
41:07
Speaker 1: of pressure on the other team. And even if you
41:09
Speaker 1: score a field goal, like there's, They might press, call
41:13
Speaker 1: some plays. You know, once they get across the 50,
41:15
Speaker 1: maybe try to be overly aggressive, maybe get a turnover.
41:19
Speaker 1: I think taking the ball first is a no-brainer. That's
41:22
Speaker 1: what I would do. I would take the ball first
41:25
Speaker 1: in overtime. And like you said, like once you score
41:29
Speaker 1: a touchdown, you feel pretty good. And honestly, if you
41:31
Speaker 1: score a field goal, the problem is like if you
41:35
Speaker 1: kick it off and then you give up a touchdown, yeah,
41:38
Speaker 1: you get four downs every series. Yeah. You feel a
41:41
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. You feel a ton of pressure. I
41:44
Speaker 1: got no problem taking the ball first. Do you think
41:50
Speaker 1: Christian Parker is getting too much blame when the bigger
41:53
Speaker 1: issue is their inability to draft and develop defensive talent?
41:58
Speaker 1: They've had a bunch of injuries. I do think it's
42:01
Speaker 1: fair to judge defensive coaches in the secondary when guys
42:06
Speaker 1: are just wide open. Because that means guys don't know
42:09
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They don't know how to communicate. They
42:14
Speaker 1: don't know the rules of the defense. They don't know
42:18
Speaker 1: what should be matching against the routes they're running against.
42:21
Speaker 1: That is the number one job of a defensive coordinator
42:23
Speaker 1: to me is having your secondary know where to be.
42:28
Speaker 1: Because if they don't know where to be and too often,
42:30
Speaker 1: this was happening to Dan Quinn early in that game
42:32
Speaker 1: against Washington, or I mean against the Cowboys. It's like, guys,
42:37
Speaker 1: they're throwing it to 88 and no one's covering them.
42:41
Speaker 1: How about the play in the indie game? After Travis,
42:44
Speaker 1: you know, Mahomes kind of misses him. Kind of rushed
42:47
Speaker 1: the throw. Maybe Travis could have caught it. It would
42:50
Speaker 1: have been a tough play. The next play, it kind
42:52
Speaker 1: of looked like, God, he's not that into it. He
42:54
Speaker 1: just kind of walked. No one was covering him. And
42:56
Speaker 1: this is a classic Mahomes-Kelsey. Turns around wide open and
43:00
Speaker 1: just gets a first down. I despise crazy off-coverage plays.
43:07
Speaker 1: and just letting talented guys catch easy balls, and if
43:09
Speaker 1: they make one guy miss, they get an explosive play.
43:12
Speaker 1: But I also think it's fair to judge defensive coaches
43:15
Speaker 1: that are calling 75 defenses or different play calls, you know,
43:19
Speaker 1: within a defense. Shouldn't we just keep it simple? I'd
43:23
Speaker 1: rather just run the same coverage over and over where
43:25
Speaker 1: everyone knows where to line up after the ball is snapped.
43:29
Speaker 1: Because I can't have two guys chasing the slot receiver,
43:32
Speaker 1: and then my guy goes, you know, toward the sideline,
43:35
Speaker 1: and he's just wide open. he catches for 12 yards
43:38
Speaker 1: and then he runs another 15. It's like the new
43:41
Speaker 1: kickoff rules, they're already at the 30 or the 35.
43:43
Speaker 1: If you give up a 20, 25-yard play, they're already
43:47
Speaker 1: at their own 30. So that's always my issue with
43:52
Speaker 1: judging a defensive coach. Some guys blitz, some guys don't. Obviously,
43:57
Speaker 1: your defensive linemen, especially your high-end guys, they got to win.
44:02
Speaker 1: There's only so much coaching they can go on. What
44:04
Speaker 1: are you telling Crosby? Like Crosby's lining up one-on-one with
44:07
Speaker 1: a tackle. That's God-given ability. Or Aiden Hutchinson or Miles
44:11
Speaker 1: Garrett or whoever. But you're secondary. You can control. You're
44:16
Speaker 1: calling all the coverages. Most teams have big-time offensive weapons.
44:22
Speaker 1: Even the commanders. They got some good wide receivers who
44:26
Speaker 1: are getting open in that game. During week two, we
44:42
Speaker 1: saw three devastating injuries. Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, and Jackson Dart.
44:47
Speaker 1: Two of which are in premium markets. With injuries seemingly
44:51
Speaker 1: on the rise, I fear the league will take drastic
44:54
Speaker 1: measures to increasingly mitigate violence in order to keep young
44:59
Speaker 1: star players on the field. It already at times feels
45:03
Speaker 1: like the league has become a glorified 7-on-7 or flag football.
45:06
Speaker 1: Is there anything the league can do to keep the
45:08
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on the field? Well, in fairness, Jaden Daniels hurt himself.
45:12
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, both those guys got hurt untouched. Both those guys.
45:18
Speaker 1: You rewatch the Jackson Dart play. You know, he kept
45:22
Speaker 1: fading back. If he steps up a little bit. there
45:27
Speaker 1: is some room ahead of him. He could have stepped
45:30
Speaker 1: into the play. If you keep going back, I don't
45:32
Speaker 1: care if Jonathan Ogden and Anthony Munoz are blocking for you.
45:36
Speaker 1: They are taught to push those guys up the field,
45:38
Speaker 1: and that's where he got. So I don't pretend to
45:41
Speaker 1: be offensive scheme guy here, but it does feel like
45:44
Speaker 1: he was a little deep in the pocket. So I...
45:48
Speaker 1: Maybe the coaching staff would say it's a little on
45:51
Speaker 1: him putting himself in that position. Some will say like, hey,
45:54
Speaker 1: why are we calling these crazy deep drops to begin with?
45:58
Speaker 1: You got to push the ball down the field. I
46:02
Speaker 1: don't know what you do about non-contact injuries. So I
46:08
Speaker 1: don't know what else they could do. You're just not
46:09
Speaker 1: allowed to touch the quarterback? Can you imagine if that
46:13
Speaker 1: rule was ever enacted? New rule from Roger Goodell. Quarterbacks.
46:19
Speaker 1: Off limits. Like, in practice, know the games. Once it
46:24
Speaker 1: hits 7 Mississippi, they're just down. Like you play with
46:27
Speaker 1: as a kid. You're like, what? I wouldn't... If they
46:31
Speaker 1: ever started losing money, if they ever started losing viewerships,
46:36
Speaker 1: you bet your ass that it's coming down the pike.
46:40
Speaker 1: Guarantee it. Again, people always... Put the business first. One
46:48
Speaker 1: story I have refused to follow are like the details
46:55
Speaker 1: in the Congress, Senate, whatever, passing this college act. Everyone
46:59
Speaker 1: got so worked up about Ted Cruz and Chris Sims
47:03
Speaker 1: going in that the SEC and the ESPN's in bed. Like,
47:08
Speaker 1: I have no clue the details in this act. I
47:11
Speaker 1: don't give a shit. Saw today some senators want to
47:15
Speaker 1: cap coaches at 5 million. But I do know this.
47:19
Speaker 1: If ESPN, who is in bed now with the SEC,
47:23
Speaker 1: which is going to be extremely valuable to them, these
47:27
Speaker 1: games are getting massive television ratings from them. It's not as,
47:33
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have as many games over the
47:35
Speaker 1: course of the week because it's only really Friday and Saturday.
47:38
Speaker 1: But no NBA game sniffed what Texas, Ohio State, Ole Miss, LSU.
47:45
Speaker 1: I mean, these games are getting nine-figure amount of people watching.
47:48
Speaker 1: These are regular season football games in college, in the South.
47:53
Speaker 1: They will do whatever it takes if they believe this
47:56
Speaker 1: will help the sport moving forward because that's the business
48:00
Speaker 1: they're in. Like I say all the time, like a
48:04
Speaker 1: couple things that I'm adamant about. If you fuck with
48:06
Speaker 1: my business or you fuck with my family, like you're
48:07
Speaker 1: an enemy of mine. Other than that, like I'm pretty open-minded.
48:12
Speaker 1: But if you get in the way of my business
48:14
Speaker 1: or my family, I will do whatever it takes. And
48:18
Speaker 1: I think that's how most people in my life think.
48:20
Speaker 1: And most people I know in the private sector will
48:23
Speaker 1: always put their business first because that's the way it
48:27
Speaker 1: works in this country. So the NFL, I disagree on
48:32
Speaker 1: over the years changing these rules. They have done it specifically.
48:36
Speaker 1: And I think Roger would go like, you guys can
48:38
Speaker 1: bitch and moan all you want. It's not as physical.
48:41
Speaker 1: It's not as tough, but it's worked. Way more people watching.
48:45
Speaker 1: We're going to charge way more. These teams are going
48:47
Speaker 1: for way more. That's the business we're in, to grow.
48:51
Speaker 1: And we've grown even as guys like Middlecoff complain that
48:55
Speaker 1: it's two-hand touch. And he misses the violence of the 90s.
48:59
Speaker 1: Guess what was happening in the 90s? These owners weren't
49:03
Speaker 1: having yachts. Guards weren't making $ 25 million. Hey, you got
49:06
Speaker 1: a point. So all these people will do whatever it takes,
49:12
Speaker 1: even if it pisses us off, to help their product.
49:18
Speaker 1: Even if it's actually not. not helping the product in
49:21
Speaker 1: our minds. Watching Devontae last night on Monday Night Football
49:26
Speaker 1: has me wondering, where would you rank him? The dude
49:29
Speaker 1: is a badass. You can tell he's a master of
49:31
Speaker 1: his craft. As a Packer fan, it definitely made me
49:33
Speaker 1: appreciate him even more. He's 33. Love the show. Yeah,
49:37
Speaker 1: I think, I mean... I'd say no doubt about it,
49:40
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I'd have to look like, you know,
49:44
Speaker 1: over the years, some wide receivers, it took them a while.
49:47
Speaker 1: You know, Tim Brown, it took him a while. It's
49:49
Speaker 1: harder to get in as a first ballot. But I
49:52
Speaker 1: think Devontae Adams is a Hall of Famer and one
49:55
Speaker 1: of the better players of his generation. Like, how many guys,
50:00
Speaker 1: I would say, peak Tyreek Hill, better player? This new
50:05
Speaker 1: crew of guys is much younger than him. Right? Jefferson... Chase,
50:12
Speaker 1: CeeDee Lamb, what JSN looks like he's becoming. I would
50:17
Speaker 1: say him, Mike Evans, feel like two guys that are
50:20
Speaker 1: just some of the best players of the 2010s and
50:25
Speaker 1: now the 2020s. There aren't many guys that dominated in
50:28
Speaker 1: both eras, right? Because if you look at most of
50:31
Speaker 1: the wide receivers who are good, it feels like they've
50:34
Speaker 1: all come in in the last five years. Do you
50:41
Speaker 1: think the NFL could compare its injury rate against college
50:43
Speaker 1: football and maybe that gives evidence of the lack of
50:46
Speaker 1: practice to contribute to the amount of injuries? I don't
50:48
Speaker 1: watch college much, but I hear how guys like Ricky
50:51
Speaker 1: Pearsall never got hurt at Florida. And then Jackson Dart
50:54
Speaker 1: seemed like he never got hurt in college. Then he's
50:55
Speaker 1: always hurt now. Here's the thing. Like Ole Miss and LSU,
51:03
Speaker 1: guys were getting hit hard. Texas, Ohio State, these are
51:06
Speaker 1: violent games. There are Tennessee, Texas. That's going to be
51:10
Speaker 1: a violent game. Florida Ole Miss. LSU A & M.
51:17
Speaker 1: These games, people are going to get hit hard. Every
51:21
Speaker 1: guy in the NFL is a pro. So some of
51:24
Speaker 1: the best players in some of these games on Saturdays
51:28
Speaker 1: will be in the NFL over the course of the
51:29
Speaker 1: next couple years as backups. They won't be able to start.
51:33
Speaker 1: They won't be good enough. So I think there's just
51:36
Speaker 1: a different level of physicality. You know, you're getting hit
51:41
Speaker 1: by a 20, 21-year-old freak, let's say, from LSU or
51:45
Speaker 1: from Oregon or Texas or whatever. In the NFL, Cam
51:50
Speaker 1: Hayward is slamming you to the ground. He's like 36.
51:53
Speaker 1: He's got four kids. Weighs 340 pounds. You know? So
51:59
Speaker 1: it's just, there's no Aaron Donald in college. Fred Warner's
52:07
Speaker 1: not chasing you down and you turning and then Greg
52:10
Speaker 1: Greenlaw's right there. So there's the level of violence and
52:14
Speaker 1: physicality just given the maturation of human beings. I think
52:21
Speaker 1: at 22, you know those pictures like when a guy
52:23
Speaker 1: gets to college? Like Mac Jones when he first showed
52:28
Speaker 1: up to Alabama and then when he gets drafted, how
52:31
Speaker 1: different he looks? Well, look at a guy that gets
52:33
Speaker 1: drafted at 22 years old, and then you look at him,
52:38
Speaker 1: look at Devontae when he was at Fresno State, and
52:39
Speaker 1: look at Devontae Adams now. You're just dealing with a
52:45
Speaker 1: different level physically. So I think that hit that Jackson
52:52
Speaker 1: Dart took on Monday night, it would be almost impossible
52:58
Speaker 1: to get hit that hard in college, even if you
53:00
Speaker 1: got hit really hard. There's just a different level of
53:03
Speaker 1: speed and violence and collision and impact. The durability stuff
53:10
Speaker 1: is nice in college. It does mean something in a
53:14
Speaker 1: draft room when you're pounding the table for a player. Like, hey,
53:16
Speaker 1: this guy's never missed a game. He's played four years
53:18
Speaker 1: at Florida. He's played two years at Oregon, transferred to Texas, whatever.
53:23
Speaker 1: But you still don't know. You still have no clue.
53:26
Speaker 1: Because it is just... we can talk about it being
53:30
Speaker 1: a little softer and it's, it's definitely softer than it was,
53:35
Speaker 1: you know, 20 years ago, but you're still getting hit really,
53:38
Speaker 1: really hard by guys running really, really fast with not
53:40
Speaker 1: much body fat and a lot of muscle. Can you
53:48
Speaker 1: please pump the brakes on Herbert? It's clearly bad right now,
53:52
Speaker 1: but does no one remember Stafford's first year in six
53:54
Speaker 1: years in Detroit, objectively worse than Herbert. with the same
53:59
Speaker 1: conversation surrounding him now. He is almost undeniable first ballot
54:04
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer player. I'm not saying that Herbert will be,
54:09
Speaker 1: but it's the NFL roster culture. They take time. Harbaugh
54:14
Speaker 1: and Herbert are not the ones drafting every player. Do
54:17
Speaker 1: you think a Stafford golf level trade, which helped both
54:21
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Lions, could make sense for the
54:23
Speaker 1: Chargers long term? I would say one major difference. between
54:29
Speaker 1: Stafford's time in Detroit and Herbert is Herbert got Jim
54:34
Speaker 1: Harbaugh a couple years ago, who is extremely successful. Matt Stafford,
54:41
Speaker 1: who's the best coach he ever had? Jim Caldwell? Jim Schwartz?
54:46
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford was coached by Matt fucking Patricia, who might
54:52
Speaker 1: be a good defensive coordinator in college, I mean, it's
54:57
Speaker 1: a Tom Sula level joke, head coach. I mean, it
55:00
Speaker 1: was all time embarrassing. So, the culture, like they've been
55:07
Speaker 1: there for a while. I mean, they've been winning. He's
55:12
Speaker 1: held to a high standard. That's what happens when you
55:15
Speaker 1: start winning. You know, James Harden is criticized more than
55:20
Speaker 1: random guys in the NBA because he's held to a
55:22
Speaker 1: really high standard. You start going to Pro Bowls, You
55:25
Speaker 1: start being viewed as like a Hall of Fame level guy.
55:28
Speaker 1: You know, you start going to the playoffs every year. Like,
55:30
Speaker 1: people have high expectations of you. You start being compared
55:33
Speaker 1: to your peers who are doing the same. Josh Allen.
55:37
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Right? Jalen Hurts. And, you know, it speaks
55:45
Speaker 1: for itself. So this year is, the Harbaugh's got to
55:50
Speaker 1: figure something out. I mean, they got to, Both of them.
55:56
Speaker 1: There's not a great solution, but that's why they're paying
55:58
Speaker 1: all that money. What did Jon Hamm say in Mad Men?
56:02
Speaker 1: That's what the money's for. And literally, like, that, you know, before,
56:07
Speaker 1: I was reading something the other day about, like, how
56:11
Speaker 1: America's changed. You know, forever, like my parents' generation, a
56:17
Speaker 1: lot of people were at the same company their entire life.
56:22
Speaker 1: And you knew people in the company and there was
56:24
Speaker 1: loyalty in that company. And I knew a lot of
56:27
Speaker 1: people whose parents, I mean, by the time I got
56:30
Speaker 1: to college that I'd known all growing up, you know,
56:34
Speaker 1: were high level in, you know, had moved up to
56:37
Speaker 1: C-suite jobs that started in the same companies out of college.
56:42
Speaker 1: And they had worked their way up and they spent
56:43
Speaker 1: their whole life for the same organization. I've already had
56:46
Speaker 1: like seven different jobs. I mean, I've kind of had
56:49
Speaker 1: the same job now for a while, but before I
56:51
Speaker 1: was like 30, I had worked countless different places. And
56:55
Speaker 1: most people I know around my age have bounced around
56:58
Speaker 1: a million spots. And what this, the gist of this
57:01
Speaker 1: article is like, there's no such thing as loyalty anymore.
57:04
Speaker 1: You're strictly paid for your time. So like it is
57:08
Speaker 1: strictly a financial, um, direct business-to-business deal, and you're one side.
57:16
Speaker 1: But loyalty, emotion, you've got to remove that now in
57:19
Speaker 1: this day and age, especially with technology. Get as much
57:22
Speaker 1: money as you can and know that you might not
57:25
Speaker 1: be there, they might get rid of you. That's not
57:27
Speaker 1: how people used to think in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s.
57:31
Speaker 1: They felt like I was loyal to the company. I'm
57:33
Speaker 1: not saying that always worked out, but we live in
57:36
Speaker 1: different times. And I think sports, you either get it
57:40
Speaker 1: done or you don't. and you're going to get rich
57:43
Speaker 1: no matter what, like Herbert's going to be worth hundreds
57:45
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars. Just like if Stafford had never
57:48
Speaker 1: found McVeigh, and it just toiled away in Detroit, and
57:51
Speaker 1: it had just never got over the hump, that, I mean,
57:57
Speaker 1: he would have been worth an ungodly amount of money
57:59
Speaker 1: and just had nothing to show for it. And kind
58:02
Speaker 1: of been like, what could have been? You know, what
58:05
Speaker 1: a hollow career. So I... It took Stafford, what was
58:10
Speaker 1: he drafted? 0-7-0-8 range. He didn't get traded to McVay
58:14
Speaker 1: until 21. What year did Herbert come out? Was it 18? 19?
58:22
Speaker 1: Was he Burrow's year? Yeah, because Burrow Tua. So he
58:26
Speaker 1: came out in 2020. I think we've got a ways
58:30
Speaker 1: to go before he's not in the Chargers. I can't
58:33
Speaker 1: imagine Dean and John Spanos, regardless what happens with Jim Harbaugh,
58:37
Speaker 1: doing anything with Justin Herbert in the near future. Could
58:41
Speaker 1: you see the Giants trading for J.J. McCarthy? Kyler Murray
58:46
Speaker 1: is returning, so J.J. is back to third string. Well,
58:51
Speaker 1: obviously John and Jim. Jim, here's the problem with Jim Harbaugh,
58:55
Speaker 1: and this is where he gets himself into trouble. He
58:57
Speaker 1: anoints everyone as like Jesus of football. And it almost
59:04
Speaker 1: started to become hollow. Because he said that about J.J. McCarthy.
59:09
Speaker 1: He said that about Justin Herbert. he said that about
59:10
Speaker 1: a million players. And it's like, does he actually believe that?
59:14
Speaker 1: Or is he just playing a psychological game with younger
59:17
Speaker 1: human beings trying to build them up? Some guys that
59:21
Speaker 1: matters too. And maybe it did matter to J.J. Like
59:24
Speaker 1: to me, it You could say the worst things about
59:27
Speaker 1: me or the best. I'm unfazed by words. Words don't
59:31
Speaker 1: faze me. I'm fazed by actions. Do we have a deal? X, Y,
59:38
Speaker 1: and Z. Colin could say I'm the greatest guy he's
59:42
Speaker 1: ever heard talking to a mic. Or like Middlecoff's the
59:45
Speaker 1: most overrated. I'm unfazed. But I think a lot of
59:50
Speaker 1: NFL players aren't fazed by that as much either. Veteran guys.
59:54
Speaker 1: Younger people are though. And when I was younger, I
59:56
Speaker 1: definitely would have been. Ten years ago, every positive word,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: every negative word from people I was working around, social media,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: it really fazed me. We're all humans. And then as
1:00:06
Speaker 1: you get older, you realize how little a lot of
1:00:08
Speaker 1: that stuff means. And I do think that Justin Herbert
1:00:13
Speaker 1: is unfazed by that stuff. You know, in theory. Like,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs Jim Harbaugh getting his back
1:00:20
Speaker 1: when he's playing well. Like, he's so great. It's like,
1:00:23
Speaker 1: just let him play. I think that mattered to J.J.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: And John's kind of like that too. Didn't John say
1:00:28
Speaker 1: like last year he wanted Lamar Jackson to be the
1:00:30
Speaker 1: greatest players of all time? Like they both kind of,
1:00:33
Speaker 1: they get that from their dad. But do they really
1:00:37
Speaker 1: believe that with J.J.? And what would it take to
1:00:41
Speaker 1: get J.J.? And then would you want J.J. in the
1:00:46
Speaker 1: room next year when Jackson Dark comes back? Are you
1:00:48
Speaker 1: even worried about that? Can you just live in the moment?
1:00:52
Speaker 1: Is J.J. McCarthy better than Jameis Winston? Seriously. If Javis
1:00:57
Speaker 1: plays again like he did last week against Tennessee, he
1:01:00
Speaker 1: won't start anymore. They'll do something. And maybe they would
1:01:04
Speaker 1: take a flyer on JJ. But I don't know what
1:01:06
Speaker 1: they actually think about him. Okay, last question. Writing from Melbourne.
1:01:13
Speaker 1: But it's pronounced Melbourne. As we know it. You may
1:01:17
Speaker 1: have mentioned it at some point. Apologies if I missed it.
1:01:20
Speaker 1: But where is Stucky? His weekly podcast is one of
1:01:23
Speaker 1: the best segments. You know, it's funny, I bet everyone's
1:01:27
Speaker 1: been asking about this. I love Stucky. Stucky's the freaking man.
1:01:32
Speaker 1: We got, we changed companies, right, from the gambling prediction,
1:01:38
Speaker 1: from gambling to the prediction market. And it happened right
1:01:42
Speaker 1: before the season started. I mean, I knew it was
1:01:44
Speaker 1: going to happen like a couple weeks leading in. But
1:01:47
Speaker 1: it was going to complicate how the segment used to
1:01:51
Speaker 1: operate and how we discussed it to how I'm discussing
1:01:54
Speaker 1: it now. With our prediction market. Even though you're still
1:01:57
Speaker 1: making a lot of the same plays. But the verbiage.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: And it was just... I didn't think it could work.
1:02:07
Speaker 1: Like in terms of... Polymarket is now our sponsor. Is
1:02:12
Speaker 1: our prediction market sponsor. We trade games. So the way
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Speaker 1: Stucky and I have done it the last couple years.
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Speaker 1: With other companies. It was... a different language. And I just,
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Speaker 1: it happened right, you know, they jumped on week one
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Speaker 1: of the football season. There are some things that I
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Speaker 1: can do and I cannot do in terms of the
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Speaker 1: way we discuss it. And I just wasn't prepared to
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Speaker 1: try to figure that out. And timing wise on Thursdays
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Speaker 1: for my life, it was also complicated. But I think
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Speaker 1: once we added Paulie Market, I had to figure it
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Speaker 1: out on my own. to how I wanted to– how
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Speaker 1: I was going to get it across for picking the games.
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Speaker 1: And I just– I needed a little time, and I
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Speaker 1: just don't think it's– I don't know if I'm doing
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Speaker 1: a good job articulating this. It was just– it was
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Speaker 1: way more complicated than it had been in previous years
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Speaker 1: with the other companies just talking about the games from
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Speaker 1: Stucky's perspective, which he's elite at. And again, he's– his knowledge–
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Speaker 1: It just became more complicated. I guess that's the only
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Speaker 1: way to put it. So we're trying to do, it's
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Speaker 1: easier for me to do a couple quick predictions, you know,
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Speaker 1: on Friday's show than do it the way we did it.
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Speaker 1: But it has no reflection of like, clearly a lot
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Speaker 1: of people liked it. I liked it. If I get
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Speaker 1: one more spam call, I get so many spam calls.
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Speaker 1: I get a million text messages about people that want
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Speaker 1: to give me a new roof. I got a new
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Speaker 1: roof last year. People that want to fix my trees,
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Speaker 1: I got a landscaper. People that want to paint my house,
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Speaker 1: I don't need to get my house painted. People that
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Speaker 1: want to wash my windows, I'm good. To political, it's like,
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Speaker 1: leave me alone. Stop. Who's selling my phone number? It's insane.
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Speaker 1: But let me reiterate this. Stucky's the man. Adios. The Volume.