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Cigarettes Making a Comeback | Airbnb vs California · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel Show
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  Speaker 2: Neil Saavedra and the morning crew here. Happy to be
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  Speaker 2: with you this Thursday, hanging out. You know, there is
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  Speaker 2: something weird. I was filling up my car the other
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  Speaker 2: day here in Burbank.
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  Speaker 3: Or truck, I guess I should say, if I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to be specific. But I was.
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  Speaker 2: Filling up and just kind of looking around like an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: It's what I want to do. Just, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: an idiot looking around at life. Well, I had nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do. There wasn't any specific thing. I was just
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  Speaker 2: looking around like an idiot.
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  Speaker 3: And there was a kid, I'm going to say 16 maybe.
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  Speaker 3: And he's standing near the bus stop. And I look
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  Speaker 3: on and something looks odd. The kid was smoking. And me,
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  Speaker 3: I go, okay, it's not a vape. I'm vaping. Which
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  Speaker 3: is not good. And then I thought, maybe it's a joint.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't a joint. And he was smoking a cigarette.
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  Speaker 3: In California!
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  Speaker 2: Now, when you travel, or when you go to Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: it's always weird to.
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  Speaker 2: Have someone smoking. We're just not used to it anymore
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  Speaker 2: here in California. Now, even the, you know, that little
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  Speaker 2: group from work that would be 25 feet or more
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  Speaker 2: from the front door, and they would sit.
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  Speaker 3: There and smoke, that's gone. Like, I remember that here
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  Speaker 3: in this building at the station.
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  Speaker 2: I remember there was a time where that was, you
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  Speaker 2: still had it, and you have those signs. You can't
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  Speaker 2: be within 25 feet of the front door or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was kind of the norm. And then
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  Speaker 2: that went away. And now you just don't see people smoking.
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  Speaker 2: You certainly don't smell it. And it turns out.
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  Speaker 3: It's making a comeback.
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  Speaker 2: Cigarettes are having this cultural revival of sorts.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm seeing it with young folks. And I'm going,
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  Speaker 3: we don't get a pass anymore, guys. We don't get
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  Speaker 3: a pass.
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  Speaker 2: We know it's stupid. We know it is horrible to
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  Speaker 2: do for your body. We don't get a pass. Back
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  Speaker 2: in the day, they'd have doctors on television. Hi, I'm
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  Speaker 2: David Madden, MD. And boy, when I get home from
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  Speaker 2: a long day of brain surgery, I like to come
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  Speaker 2: home to, you know, lucky strike.
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  Speaker 3: No filter, smooth taste. We don't have that. Ronald Reagan.
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  Speaker 3: But that was also the tobacco companies paying for. Those
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  Speaker 3: ads and doctors. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. But we know now, hey, fool
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  Speaker 2: me once. You know, but now we know. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: was not a smoker, so I didn't have that. That
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  Speaker 2: was not my thing. I remember a buddy of mine
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  Speaker 2: when we were kids, we tried smoking. And I think
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  Speaker 2: we probably smoked a clove back then. It probably makes
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  Speaker 2: more sense time-wise. I was like, that's not for me. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he ended up smoking. I think he still smokes.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, bud.
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  Speaker 2: But I never did. It just was nasty to me.
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  Speaker 2: I think that kept me away from marijuana. I tried
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  Speaker 2: marijuana a couple of times and I just I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to inhale smoke.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's something to each generation kind of rebelling
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  Speaker 5: against the generation that came right before.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. Millennials. How old are you, Clay? I'm 24 years old. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to show me your fingers. I'm this man.
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  Speaker 2: He's going for his socks. And I was like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're good.
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  Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, but are you
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  Speaker 3: seeing it?
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  Speaker 2: Are you seeing people of your generation start smoking cigarettes again?
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  Speaker 5: Gen Z is cigarette heavy, I've noticed.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to do vaping anymore? Vaping is too
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  Speaker 2: old school? No, vaping is lame.
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  Speaker 3: Really? Yeah, those big clouds.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. When they come out of a car window,
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  Speaker 3: it's always like. Yeah. Halloween.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, OK, poser. You don't even really want to hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. It's trading. So vaping is trading wheels
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  Speaker 3: on your bike. Seems like.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going back to wanting to harm themselves.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 5: For sure. Because it looks cool. It's bad for you.
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  Speaker 5: It's so bad for you.
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  Speaker 3: Cool look, though.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have noticed, and I love this. I
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  Speaker 2: just love what we worry about. Like, stupid things. You'll
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  Speaker 2: see television. You go, rated, gosh.
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  Speaker 3: TV 17.
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  Speaker 2: No, my favorite is rated PG-13 for adult content.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, 13-year-olds aren't adults.
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  Speaker 2: So why– Either it's got adult content and it's for
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  Speaker 2: adults or it's got PG 13 content and it's for
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  Speaker 2: kids that are 13 or older. And then the other
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  Speaker 2: one that bugs me is like, this is rated whatever for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, suicide.
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  Speaker 3: Murder and smoking. Just right there, it'll say smoking.
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  Speaker 2: But if you get into 90s shows and you get
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  Speaker 2: into some old school television or movies, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: see people smoking more freely. So they're saying that cigarettes
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  Speaker 2: are having this cultural comeback, and maybe it's nostalgia for
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  Speaker 2: the 90s with some early 2000s when cigarettes use and
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  Speaker 2: all of that were among.
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  Speaker 3: The peak with young folk. But I, I, what I
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  Speaker 3: don't get is that you're also, you also on the
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  Speaker 3: flip side, have this health conscious. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not, are you going to drink that water out
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  Speaker 2: of a plastic bottle?
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  Speaker 3: Hello? Microplastics.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're, you've got 120 carcinogens in a cigarette
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to light it on fire and inhale
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  Speaker 2: the smoke.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, look at him. He doesn't drive a Prius. But
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  Speaker 3: they're smoking.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Help explain. You know what?
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  Speaker 4: That reminds me of when we went out to dinner
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  Speaker 4: and we were walking by a vegan restaurant and there
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  Speaker 4: was a bunch of people standing outside smoking.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. They love the animals, though. At least they just
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  Speaker 3: don't want to kill the animal. They're not smoking.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I like to smoke, too. I smoke brisket. Sometimes I do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, turkey. But I've never understood smoking. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: not your guy. There's a lot of people. I hear
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  Speaker 2: this a lot from women. They're like, yeah, I smoked.
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  Speaker 2: I stopped.
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  Speaker 3: It's a nasty habit. But man, do I miss it.
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  Speaker 2: And when I have a drink or something, I've heard
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  Speaker 2: that a bunch. When you have a drink that you
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  Speaker 2: have to do it. There's no safe amount of cigarettes. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, young people thinking I'll just do it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit here, a little bit there.
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  Speaker 3: It's still bad.
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  Speaker 2: You know, cigarettes contain a butt ton of ingredients to
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  Speaker 2: produce more than 7,000. I was being quite conservative on 120,
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  Speaker 2: but 7,000 chemicals when you burn them. Many of them
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  Speaker 2: are toxic and cause cancer. Even just one cigarette exposes
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  Speaker 2: your body to those harmful compounds.
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  Speaker 3: It only takes one to get pregnant, kids. A cigarette?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: Will's like, I tuned in at the wrong time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, man, the old saying that it only
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  Speaker 2: takes having sex once.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was cigarettes after sex.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Remember, kids, if you smoke after sex, you're doing
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  Speaker 2: it too fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: We just talked about smoking and how it's like making
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  Speaker 2: a comeback. That's like the one thing, you know, Kono's
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  Speaker 2: a dad and I'm a dad and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't got to worry about that. There's other dumb, stupid
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  Speaker 2: things I got to worry about for my son, who's nine.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm like, hey, at least that smoking thing is
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  Speaker 2: off the list now. And now it's coming back. Like
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  Speaker 2: I got to worry about, are you smoking?
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  Speaker 3: Seriously? All right.
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  Speaker 2: Other problems we have here in California, Airbnb fighting with
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  Speaker 2: the coast. They want to keep all their spots there.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of fights going on in California right now
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  Speaker 2: between tourists, locals, companies like Airbnb that make money from
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  Speaker 2: vacation rentals. So there's this small coastal town of Pacifica,
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  Speaker 2: and it's become like the center point, like the explosion,
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  Speaker 2: the battleground. City officials tried to pass new rules to
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  Speaker 2: limit short-term rentals. And I know they can be a pain,
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  Speaker 2: and we own one. And we keep it in a
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  Speaker 2: place and have rules and rather prefer not to rent
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  Speaker 2: it out than have problem people in there that are
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  Speaker 2: going to cause problems with the people surrounding. But they
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  Speaker 2: ran into some unexpected pushback here. Some people say that
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  Speaker 2: Airbnb is law. is behind the delays and weaker rules
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  Speaker 2: at the end that they're going to end up passing.
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  Speaker 2: But it's this big deal because California's coast is only
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  Speaker 2: about 1% of the state's land, even though it's beautiful
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  Speaker 2: and it's bigger than others. we're lucky to have it.
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  Speaker 2: It's 1% of the state's land, but it brings in
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  Speaker 2: a huge chunk of money when it comes to these
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  Speaker 2: short-term rentals, right? About 2.3 billion of the 13.9 billion,
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  Speaker 2: the company says it adds to the state's economy each year.
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  Speaker 2: So of course, you know, Airbnb is not going to
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  Speaker 2: come out saying, yeah, we suck. And Airbnbs are starting
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  Speaker 2: to get so expensive. We're all moving back to hotels again.
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  Speaker 2: Have you noticed that? I mean, They've gotten to the
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  Speaker 2: point where you start weighing it and going, well, gosh,
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  Speaker 2: I can get room service and the bed made and
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  Speaker 2: these other things for the same price. And they have
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  Speaker 2: a pool and this stuff. So the balance is kind
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  Speaker 2: of leaning. But Pacifica is quiet. It's this foggy little town,
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  Speaker 2: about 37,000 people just south of San Francisco. Now, over
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  Speaker 2: the years, more and more homes turn into these Airbnbs.
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  Speaker 2: about 251 listings a month. And that's up 70% there
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  Speaker 2: in 2025, up from 2018. More than 40% of them
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  Speaker 2: are run by companies instead of regular people. You remember
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  Speaker 2: that was the whole thing. Didn't Airbnb start originally by
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  Speaker 2: renting a spare room or something? Like you would be
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  Speaker 2: there in the home and you'd rent them out a room.
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  Speaker 2: And there still are those types of things. They still
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  Speaker 2: have like or whatever, where you can rent out your
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  Speaker 2: pool to people or certain things where you can rent
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  Speaker 2: out part of your house or whatever. But this is
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  Speaker 2: mostly gone to where you rent a house. And it's nice.
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  Speaker 3: We go visit family in Arizona. We bring our boy
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  Speaker 3: and you have the whole house and you can, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can cook, use the pool. You can, you know,
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  Speaker 3: have bigger beds or whatever it is. And it's great.
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  Speaker 2: But they can't, you know, if it's all over the
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  Speaker 2: place and it's a small town, I could see where
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  Speaker 2: it can become annoying. So having loud parties or strangers
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  Speaker 2: wandering onto properties, cities trying to crack.
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  Speaker 3: Down on this.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to limit unhoused rentals or unhosted, sorry, rentals
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  Speaker 2: to 60 days a year and require owners to be
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  Speaker 2: real people, not corporations. And I get that. You want
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  Speaker 2: some accountability. Now we have a management company because I
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  Speaker 2: don't deal with that. It's in Big Bear and to
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  Speaker 2: go all the way up there to deal with anything.
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  Speaker 2: And then we use it our time and use it
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  Speaker 2: for friends and family when we're not around. So it's
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  Speaker 2: not like it's going to be a huge moneymaker, but
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  Speaker 2: we'd rather not it become a pain for our neighbors
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  Speaker 2: who know how to get a hold of us if
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  Speaker 2: there's a problem. But anybody that has an issue normally
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  Speaker 2: goes if there's problem with the property. So they go
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  Speaker 2: to a manager, but it's still us. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: a corporation that is overseeing it. But I would much
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  Speaker 2: rather have an Airbnb than Chinese corporations buying up huge
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  Speaker 2: swaths of Los Angeles like they're doing now. In my neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: houses are being purchased, old LA houses that have been
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  Speaker 2: around for over 100 years being purchased by companies and
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  Speaker 2: then built into eight, 10 units, cracker boxes. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're ugly as sin. You're taking down these old craftsmen
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  Speaker 2: houses to build these things because you're on R2, R3,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes R4 property where you can build multiple things. So
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  Speaker 2: Pacifica took its rules to the California Coastal Commission. We
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  Speaker 2: all know, we've heard about them with Malibu and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. Very powerful agency. It oversees development along the coast.
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  Speaker 2: But things didn't go as planned. The commission was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to approve the rules in February. The vote got postponed.
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  Speaker 2: Then it got delayed again for a year. It turns
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  Speaker 2: out Airbnb had hired a lawyer and a lobbyist, listen
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  Speaker 2: to this name, named Frank Angel. Frank Angel, lobbyist, attorney
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  Speaker 2: at law, who flooded the commission with hundreds of pages
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  Speaker 2: of letters arguing that the rules will hurt visitors and their.
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  Speaker 3: Access to the coast. And by August, the commission ended
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  Speaker 3: up stripping out the rule that owners had to live on,
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  Speaker 3: the premises, all of these things.
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  Speaker 2: And it got watered down to the point where it's
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  Speaker 2: now not happening. They're having issues with this. And it's
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  Speaker 2: not just Pacifica. It's going, this lobbying campaign is getting
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  Speaker 2: donations across California to fight rental restrictions. Company gave nearly
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  Speaker 2: half a million dollars to causes tied to Governor Newsom,
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  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of other leaders who appoint coastal commissioners,
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  Speaker 2: and also backing lawsuits in places like Hermosa Beach. They
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  Speaker 2: had that big, you know, back and forth with Becerra.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of his points of pride. I'm suing a
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  Speaker 2: place in my jurisdiction. So love me for suing the
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  Speaker 2: people who want to live a particular way.
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  Speaker 3: On the coast. So it's interesting. This is going on.
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  Speaker 2: Santa Barbara, Encinitas. I always get that confused with Encinada.
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  Speaker 2: And I was trying to correct myself. So keep in
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  Speaker 2: mind that I don't know that they're going anywhere. They
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  Speaker 2: have to tighten things up. I don't mind them tightening
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  Speaker 2: things up. You don't want Airbnb to take the or
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  Speaker 2: become the culture of your neighborhood. But if they go
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  Speaker 2: in there and their families or people going in there
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  Speaker 2: and staying and then coming out, it can be a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good deal for people to make extra money and
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  Speaker 2: to get tourism dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Which is not a bad thing. Oh, goofy.
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  Speaker 2: What a goofy world we live in. Goofy job we do.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's goofy about it. All of it's goofy. Someone called up.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe drinking, maybe smoking. Mota. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: How do people in radio do so much to make
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  Speaker 2: so much? We really don't. I mean, Handel does. Cobalt
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  Speaker 2: probably does, but most of us aren't making any real
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  Speaker 2: crazy money or anything like that. And if you think
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  Speaker 2: I'm living some plush neighborhood, that is not the case.
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  Speaker 3: I like where I live. Nothing plush about it. Got homeless,
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  Speaker 3: got problems, got gangs adjacent.
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  Speaker 2: It's not really. I'm on the other side. The people
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  Speaker 2: on the other side are living pretty plush, but not me.
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  Speaker 2: That's not who I am. I'm a man of the people.
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  Speaker 3: I like to be around people. What's that? Like Newsome?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you said like Newsome. I'll roll up my sleeves.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever they roll up their sleeves, politicians roll up their sleeves,
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  Speaker 2: take their jacket off, and hold a shovel.
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  Speaker 3: That's you right now. You're being that right. I have...
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  Speaker 3: I have... Gangs. I'm Neil Savajan, just like you. All right, Neil.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like you. I pull up, put my pants
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  Speaker 3: on one leg at a time. No, but I am.
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  Speaker 3: I'm about as like, I don't think like if someone says, hey, Neil,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think, oh my God, I'm famous. I go, hey,
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  Speaker 3: did we go to school together? You know, handle.
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  Speaker 2: If someone goes, will you sign this, sir? And he'll go, yes,
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  Speaker 2: who should I sign it to? No, it's your receipt.
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  Speaker 2: I need you to sign it. I don't think that.
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  Speaker 2: I do a bunch of things around here.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do it all. I help people move stuff. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a man of the people. I should be a politician.
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  Speaker 3: That would be fun. I'm a pretty basic dude. I
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  Speaker 3: really am. All right, Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, Trump's in the news. You know, I do this
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  Speaker 2: because it involves California. Reading this story, LA Times did
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  Speaker 2: this story about lower mileage standards coming and higher pump costs.
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  Speaker 2: So Trump is making a move. The Trump administration is
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  Speaker 2: lowering the fuel economy requirement for 2031. So vehicles then
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  Speaker 2: can go, you know, get 34.9 miles per gallon. And
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  Speaker 2: that's down from 50.4 under Biden era rules. And these all,
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  Speaker 2: there's this corporate average fuel economy standard or what they
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  Speaker 2: call CAFE standards. Which have been implemented by the government
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  Speaker 2: since the early 70s. Cars average. Can anybody guess? Can
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  Speaker 2: we just steal something from Gary and Shannon that was
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  Speaker 2: stole from Tim Conway Jr.
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  Speaker 3: And do like a whip around or what are they?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think the average miles per gallon was
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  Speaker 2: for cars in the 70s?
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  Speaker 3: Amy King?
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  Speaker 6: In the 70s?
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  Speaker 3: In the 70s.
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  Speaker 6: 18 miles per gallon.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. And New Clay? What is it now? Well, 50.4.
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  Speaker 6: No, that's the goal.
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  Speaker 3: That's the goal for Biden era rules, and Trump is
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  Speaker 3: trying to move it down to 34.9.
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  Speaker 5: Give me 13.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Kono? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: 13. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're together on 13. I'm never together. Okay. And Will?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say 20.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Okay. 13 it is. The kids.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: You guys can't see, but me and Kono are hugging
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: No, no, you're not. I got you, Kono.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Don't ruin.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The magic. The magic.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The look on your face is disturbing right now. You're
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: looking at the man behind the curtain. No, I wish
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: there was a curtain is what I'm thinking. But apparently-
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So fuel efficiency, I'm all for it, man. Make better cars,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: make better cars, get better fuel efficiency, all of that stuff.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But sometimes these standards, again, just like we try to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: be so humane in killing the murderers that it becomes inhumane,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: we try and save so many things. Like I'm so
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: thankful that there weren't people alive during dinosaurs because some
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: jackass would have tried to protect them from extinction. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: then we probably would not be here right now. Which
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: is the same thing we're going to do with democratic socialists.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Vote them in and then we won't be here in
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: America anymore.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: All righty. So anyway, something to look forward to.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: People are upset, obviously, because Trump hates everything and Trump
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: is going to make everything worse.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: And there's going to be more.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Pollution, even though everything we do in California to protect
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the environment by way of vehicles and emissions is taken
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: out back 20 years, two decades when we have a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: large wildfire.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: But no big deal.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: We're going to keep doing little things because it makes
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: us feel better when the reality is China and all
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: these much larger places, even if we all did it,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: we're not going to reverse things.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Sorry. Sad. I don't know why we call you listeners.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Someone just got mad at me saying about the emissions
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: haven't proved the air in LA.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I said nothing about the air in LA.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Holy crap. And then Kono getting people confused. Thinking I'm
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the bougie one. I don't make.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: A fifth of what Handel makes. And people think I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: am an average guy. Kono, you started problems. You are average.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: In every way. You're stupid.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And then someone got mad at me because they're like, oh, no. Locally, absolutely. Locally,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: we can make a difference. I'm saying globally. That's why
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I use the term globally. Locally, absolutely. We made a
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: massive difference from when I was a kid to now
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: with smog.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. That you can make change, and that is legit.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: But California is going to make change for the globe.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It's not happening. I'm sorry. It's not.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: We've gone too far. We've been bitching about the same
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: thing since the 70s.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I wish we could, but it's not happening.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So please, I can make my argument, but I can't
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: make you understand it. And apparently it can't make you
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: hear it properly because that's not me. They're your ears.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: You've got to hear it. Jeez Louise on a spit.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: AI making your brain lazy. I think, yeah, I think
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: anytime that you have a muscle that you aren't using,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: it's going to change things. Does it mean that you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: won't use that brain for other things? No, hopefully you're
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: still going to use it. The plasticity of your brain
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: is important. Thinking and doing things with it is going
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to be important. Well, artificial intelligence obviously is changing everything.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: This is like the third or fourth story we've done
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: already this week, if not more, on AI because it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: always in the news. It's knocking Trump out of the news.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And we don't understand how it's going to change things yet.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: But scientists want to know if it's making us stupider.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's making me stupid. University of California, Irvine and the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: education company McGraw-Hill, they examined a decade of data from
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: a popular online learning tool that's made by McGraw-Hill starting
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: in 2015. And they crossed millions of math sessions by
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a group that ranged from fifth graders to college students.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: The researchers compared performance from before 2022 when ChatGPT first
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: came out with the work. I know it hasn't even
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: been that long when you think about how crazy AI
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: is at this point. And it was 2022. So they
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: look and they start analyzing the results. They split the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: questions into two types. First, text-based problems. Now, you do
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that because that's super easy to cut, paste, pop it
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: into ChatGPT and the chatbot goes away on it. The
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: next though is much more difficult. You're using visual, interactive,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: multi-step questions. They're going to be harder for a chatbot.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to engage with it differently. So
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: they look at the students going back and forth on these,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and they're finding that there is a difference in the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: way they started thinking and a change in the way
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: they were processing information. And that's bound to happen. I mean,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It's like saying, well, cars made us walk less. Yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: of course they did. You're going to drive places. I
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: have places that are close to me that I could
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: absolutely walk. But my lazy ass gets in the car
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and goes there. And if you're a big health nut
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and you're going, well, fat ass, that's why you had
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: to have your stomach tightened and not by a doctor.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I tell you this, you're probably going to drive five
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: miles today to walk two miles on a treadmill at
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a gym.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: It's just what we do.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And so we do modify our and adapt our behavior
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: based on the things that we consume or that make
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: our life easier.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: You remember phone numbers? No, they're in your phone now.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: But when you were a kid, didn't you take the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: lovely Shannon Farron popped in here? Shannon, do you remember
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a time where you memorized everybody's phone numbers?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I remember my grandparents' phone number to this day. Yeah. 731-2867.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Six, seven.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: They've been dead for quite some time.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: So is that joke. Yeah, so is that joke.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Kono.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But yeah, now I can't tell you what my mother's
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: cell phone number is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: I know my husband's cell phone number.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I know my wife's.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: And that's about it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know my brother's number.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Someone asked for my number the other day and I paused.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, uh.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I know. There's an eight in it. But yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, I have yours memorized, obviously.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, thanks.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I'm at the store.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: They don't have ricotta.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: What do I get?
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: When it says oil that's mellowed, it says avocado.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Can I use canola?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: But to be fair, I've called you. I've called you
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: before and said it's got a black beak.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: My favorite call from you was a while ago. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: don't know, six months ago. And it was out of
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the freaking blue. And we're like going to dinner or something.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, Neil Saavedra is calling me. Let
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: me get this. It's going to be important. Like, you know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: because you were my boss at one point for a
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: series of years.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: You're not anymore.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: But I still have that reflex of let me get this.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: It's Neil Saavedra. I still get calls from our old
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: boss and go, oh, what's going on?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Same, same.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: So I hit like, I hit, you know, answer or
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: whatever and you're like so I've got I just got
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: this idea you're like space wars. And what we do
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: is we take Mr. Bumperpuss and I slow turn over
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: to my husband who's in the passenger seat.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: We're like at the restaurant and he's looking at me like,
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: what the?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I just got the call.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I have those moments where it's like, I have
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the energy to do this right now.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And I have a lot of friends who make props
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and do films. And I'm like, we could do this
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: this summer.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: You're like, we're doing this. And I was like, yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: we are.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, Craig, you're on speakerphone.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Craig's in here. Hey, Craig. So it was so great.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: He's like, I don't want you to go alone to that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: And that was the last phone call I answered from anyone.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Probably the best.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: You're not going to outdo it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not an every man.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: No, you're wonderful.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I'm an everyman.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: You're not.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Do you have more than one home?
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: Define home.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Well, our cabin's not a home. Exactly. That's what I say. Kono,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: don't give me, oh, who comes and stays there, bro?
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I have. Yeah. It is good to have higher up friends.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Higher up. Dude, I'm 57 years old. My wife and
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I have multiple jobs and we both have a company.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: You live on a mountain looking down at Angelenos. Not
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: from Big Bear, bro. No, where do you live now? No, no.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Is it on an incline? Where I live now?
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're technically at the top. All the sewer
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: water gets to my place. God, are you treating me
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: like I'm Gary Hoffman?
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Do you have any brown people that live on your block?
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: We are late. We have got to go. We've got
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: to get to the news.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: He goes during summer. All right. Well, they park the car.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow morning. Someone's got to do the lawn.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Come on, I'm double parked. I have to leave. Oh, God.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: All right, see you tomorrow morning after a wake-up call.
• 31:05
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