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Unbelievable: Kohberger Files Sex Harass Claim Over B*** F*** Threat, Demands Transfer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Coburger, the four time convicted killer who sliced four
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  Speaker 2: beautiful University IDO students dead. Brian Coburger has filed a
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  Speaker 2: sexual harassment claim.
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  Speaker 1: From behind bars over a but f threat. He is
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  Speaker 1: also after.
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  Speaker 2: One day on the j block, demanding a transfer and
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  Speaker 2: of course.
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  Speaker 1: Whining about the food.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Brian Coburger, four time convicted killer, has filed a
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  Speaker 2: sex harassment claim. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: And then let me ask you.
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  Speaker 4: Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two enter the
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  Speaker 4: residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow,
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  Speaker 4: Idaho if you attempt to commit the developing crime with.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know a location, emergency, no way.
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  Speaker 2: I rarely say this, and I would never ever say
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  Speaker 2: it in front of a judge or a journey. But
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  Speaker 2: I really don't even know where to start. Should I
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  Speaker 2: start with this complaint? For Coburger says I have on
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  Speaker 2: several occasions and not received all the items of food
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  Speaker 2: on my tray. I address this during service. I guess
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  Speaker 2: food service like he's have got a butler and have
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  Speaker 2: yet to receive any placements. In fact, the kitchen is
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  Speaker 2: not even called. Okay, yeah, I'm not starting with that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not starting with complaining to the butler.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to.
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  Speaker 2: Start and not with the sex harassment claims with the
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  Speaker 2: butt f compliant. I'm gonna start with the victims. Take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to this nine one.
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  Speaker 5: One call can on one location of your emergency. You
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  Speaker 5: don't know what what is the address of the emergency.
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  Speaker 5: What is the rest of the address? Oh, King two Roads, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: And there's not a house or an apartment, it's the house.
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  Speaker 5: Can you repeat the adress to make sure that I
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  Speaker 5: have it right.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk to you guys.
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  Speaker 6: We're you live the lights, so we're next to them.
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  Speaker 5: I need someone to repeat the address for ramification.
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  Speaker 1: The address one one to two key drugs. And you hear.
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  Speaker 2: The victim that lived, one of the two victims that lived,
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  Speaker 2: screaming and sobbing, and she's screaming.
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  Speaker 1: Out the name Xana Ethan.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that Xana was attacked on the steps.
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  Speaker 2: We know that Killie Gonsolvis was unrecognizable.
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  Speaker 1: She was stabbed so many times in the face.
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  Speaker 7: Listen she's not waking up.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, one moment, I'm going to help her.
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  Speaker 2: That way, before I get to Brian Cooberger's complaints that
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  Speaker 2: he is being sexually harassed through the air vents and
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  Speaker 2: that his food is not up to par. To Joseph
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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  Speaker 2: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit
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  Speaker 2: podcast Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan, these complaints are
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  Speaker 2: almost laughable if it weren't for the knowledge of what
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  Speaker 2: happened to those four students.
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  Speaker 1: Lay it out, We's.
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  Speaker 8: Start with a number seven inches seven inches of steel
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  Speaker 8: being slice, used to slice, and used to stab over
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  Speaker 8: and over and over again, systematically, one by one as
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  Speaker 8: he makes his way through this home. This reptile went
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  Speaker 8: from the top floor to the second floor, ending lives
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  Speaker 8: all along the way, leaving a trail of horror that
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  Speaker 8: the police came upon that morning. And I don't think
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  Speaker 8: they could actually take the measure of it, Nancy. And
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  Speaker 8: then again, like more like a rat, he sneaks out
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  Speaker 8: through that back door and exits and vanishes into the night.
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  Speaker 8: After he's done this, and you want to complain, you
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  Speaker 8: want to complain about what faces you right now, Tell
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  Speaker 8: it somewhere else. Tell your story food.
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  Speaker 1: He's actually complaining about the food. I want to get
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  Speaker 1: back to.
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  Speaker 2: What was done, was physically done to these four students,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, You know, my little babies are about
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  Speaker 2: to go off to college, and all I can think
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  Speaker 2: about is Brian fing Kobe. What was done to these students?
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  Speaker 2: What did he do to them? And all you trolls
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  Speaker 2: online that keep telling me he was set up, he
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  Speaker 2: pled guilty to this, tell them, Joe Scott.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, just starting off with Kaylee in the top room
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  Speaker 8: up there. You had mentioned earlier that she was unrecognizable.
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  Speaker 8: The bony structures in her face are disrupted to the
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  Speaker 8: point where they couldn't make a physical ID on her
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  Speaker 8: just by doing the visual ID because she had been
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  Speaker 8: so traumatized in addition to the other stab wounds that
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  Speaker 8: she had received to her Torso you think about Xana,
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  Speaker 8: who you know, we've heard stories about Kaylee where you
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  Speaker 8: know from twenty four to thirty, mister Gonzalez was saying
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  Speaker 8: thirty thirty injuries with her nancy with Xana, we're talking
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  Speaker 8: fifty plus over and over and over again. She was
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  Speaker 8: cut so bad that she had grabbed hold of this blade.
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  Speaker 8: It had cut into her tendons of her hand so
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  Speaker 8: that they would literally be non operational if she's trying
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  Speaker 8: to defend herself. She's got blocking injuries on both of
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  Speaker 8: her forearms where her arms have been sliced repeatedly. You've
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  Speaker 8: got Ethan laying in the bed. He's got a horrible
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  Speaker 8: gash approximating his collarbone and his neck where he bleeds
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  Speaker 8: out in that spot. And you know, we can't forget
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  Speaker 8: about Maddie. You know she's brutalized there in bed, adjacent
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  Speaker 8: to her best friend. They've grown up together, Nancy, they
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  Speaker 8: have lived life together, they've gone off to college together,
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  Speaker 8: and their lives both ended in that small space together
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  Speaker 8: because this animal comes into the house and shreds them.
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  Speaker 9: You know, Scott, when you put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: As you know we've discussed many times for years and
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  Speaker 2: years after my fiancees murder, I would have night terrors.
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  Speaker 2: Not just nightmares, it's where you wake up terrorized, screaming, running.
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  Speaker 2: If that's just a dream, imagine, just imagine what these
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  Speaker 2: four beautiful that I keep using that we're beautiful students
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  Speaker 2: went through the night. They were slaughred by Coburger and
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  Speaker 2: now he's claiming somebody sex harassing him through the air vent.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you know another thing.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to a special guest.
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  Speaker 2: Heather Barnhardt. She's Institute Fellow at CIS Admin Audit Network Security,
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  Speaker 2: Senior Director forens at Research at Celebrate, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Either to top it all off, after he.
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  Speaker 2: Literally slaughters these four students, he gets on the phone
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  Speaker 2: and you can prove this and call his mommy. He
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  Speaker 2: gets comforted by his mommy. And you, Heather, have been
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  Speaker 2: able to analyze hours and hours of him calling mommy,
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  Speaker 2: explain how you found it and what you found.
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  Speaker 1: On his Android device.
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  Speaker 10: We used Celebrate Physical Analyzer software to just parse the information.
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  Speaker 10: And one of the things that's rate in the forefront
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  Speaker 10: is that Brian Koberger started calling his mom as early
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  Speaker 10: as six thirteen in the morning, right after the murders
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  Speaker 10: and was on the phone with her apparently when he
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  Speaker 10: returned to the scene of the crime.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, when he goes back that morning to just see, yes,
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  Speaker 2: anyone has discovered his handiwork, his masterpiece of murder. He's
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  Speaker 2: on the phone with his mother Oh, oh, my stars,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get that timing from reading your analysis. Wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, I gotta let this sink in for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, mommy, look, look at me. And he's on
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  Speaker 2: the phone with his mommy while he's driving back to
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  Speaker 2: the scene of the crime that.
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  Speaker 3: Morning for fifty four minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm gonna have to go to a shrink,
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  Speaker 2: but first I want to follow up with Heather Barnhart. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: looks and brains amazing. Heather Barnhart, one of the digital
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  Speaker 2: forensic investigators on the Brian Coberger quadruple murder case.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't just then.
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  Speaker 2: As he's going back to survey his handiwork, he's on
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  Speaker 2: the phone with mommy. He calls her first thing in
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  Speaker 2: the morning and they talk for an hour, then he
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  Speaker 2: calls her at lunchtime. Then he has to call her
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  Speaker 2: before he goes to bed at night. I mean, describe
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  Speaker 2: these lengthy conversations with his mother that you uncovered.
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  Speaker 10: Day in and day out to go to bed, as
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  Speaker 10: you just said, first thing in the morning and the
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  Speaker 10: wake up texting and immediate called linked to mother every
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  Speaker 10: single day. She was a huge security blanket, almost a
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  Speaker 10: necessity in his.
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  Speaker 2: Life, and then when he leaves home and moves to Pullman,
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  Speaker 2: this happens. What else did you uncover in your digital investigation, Heather, lots.
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  Speaker 10: Of browser searching for serial killers, as I mentioned with
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  Speaker 10: you previously, an obsession with himself, so researching serial killers
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  Speaker 10: and then immediately taking selfies to replicate what he had read.
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  Speaker 10: So that picture of him in the black hoodie was
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  Speaker 10: taken after researching Ted Bundy, and in that research it
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  Speaker 10: was Ted Bundy in that black hoodie, and he replicated
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  Speaker 10: the photo.
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  Speaker 2: And of course there are all the American psycho selfies
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  Speaker 2: he took where he replicated Christian mail. And of course, Heather,
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  Speaker 2: our kids can't thank you enough. You were the first
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  Speaker 2: person to tell me that he was a fan of
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  Speaker 2: crime stories. And had you found photos screen grabs? I
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  Speaker 2: guess of that on his phone?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, a screen grab very similar to this right here,
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  Speaker 10: of you with crime written under the headline.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just keep that right up here forever. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go back to what's happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 11: After sending his first note of complaint after his first
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  Speaker 11: night in prison, Coberger follows it up a few days
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  Speaker 11: later with another note, this one given to a guard
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  Speaker 11: and claiming he's the victim of sexual harassment. In the note,
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  Speaker 11: Coberger claims one inmate is threatening to rape him, while
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  Speaker 11: another inmate says, the only ass we'll be eating is coburger's.
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  Speaker 11: Coburger offers up the name of a guard he says
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  Speaker 11: heard the threats and harassment, so his claims can be verified.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the only ass we'll be eating is coburgers, and
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  Speaker 2: he was also threatened and this is all through the
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  Speaker 2: air vents that he would be quote but ft Okay,
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  Speaker 2: joining me right now, Annie Elise. She is creator and
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  Speaker 2: CEO of ten to Life and she is as a
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  Speaker 2: star of Serealously podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Annie.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, This guy, Brian Koberger, who admits he murdered four people,
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  Speaker 2: is now filing a sex harassment complaint.
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  Speaker 1: He is very careful to say I'm not part of
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  Speaker 1: the flooding of the cells.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do that, and complaints about the food being
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  Speaker 2: placed on his trade.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the sex harassment complaints.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's not lost on doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 2: who I'm going to in one moment that he is
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  Speaker 2: the one that conducted all of the searches about raping
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  Speaker 2: women when they are comatose, drunk on drugs, passed out,
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  Speaker 2: or worse. Before he goes and tries to murder three
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  Speaker 2: sleeping girls. Well, they were not asleep when he murdered them,
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  Speaker 2: but that was his intent. Okay, tell me about the
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  Speaker 2: complaints Annie exactly.
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  Speaker 12: Not only did he have this higher search history of
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  Speaker 12: him wanting to do this exact thing to other victims,
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  Speaker 12: but he's kind of in a roundabout way getting his wish.
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  Speaker 12: He always wanted to be the most important guy in
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  Speaker 12: the room, and.
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  Speaker 1: Now he is.
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  Speaker 12: It's just in the wrong setting, and it's just the
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  Speaker 12: consequences of your own actions. Not only are you in
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  Speaker 12: prison for what you did to these poor victims, but.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want the death penalty.
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  Speaker 12: You wanted the plea deal so that you wouldn't have
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  Speaker 12: to face that, and this is now the consequences of that.
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  Speaker 12: He just strikes me as somebody who always, of course
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  Speaker 12: thinks he's the smartest, that he should be treated special,
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  Speaker 12: that he should be different, and we're saying that that
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  Speaker 12: is no different now that he is incarcerated. He still
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  Speaker 12: thinks he deserves that special important treatment.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what exactly does he claim in his sex harassment file.
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  Speaker 12: So he's claiming that they are saying that they are
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  Speaker 12: going to but f him. Also those the words of
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  Speaker 12: the only ass that we're going to be eating is coburger.
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  Speaker 1: Annie, Annie.
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  Speaker 2: Before you go any further, the first time I had
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  Speaker 2: to curse in front of a jury, I paused.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a dirt sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: But in about two months I was saying every word
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  Speaker 2: imaginable because it's what defenant said.
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  Speaker 1: And I would have to quote them, what.
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  Speaker 2: They stated, what they wrote, what they threatened, the P word,
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  Speaker 2: the F word, the C word, that you name it.
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  Speaker 2: Word all came out of this mouth. As I would
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  Speaker 2: explain things to jury's. They didn't like it, but by
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  Speaker 2: the time the trial would be over it, they were
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  Speaker 2: numb to it as well. So the word but okay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't let my children say it, but you can
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  Speaker 2: say it. I want to hear what Coburger is saying
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  Speaker 2: in his sex harassment complaint verbatim.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 12: He is saying that they are going to butt him.
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  Speaker 12: He is hearing them say the only ass that will
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  Speaker 12: be eating is Coburger's, which by the way, those are
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  Speaker 12: obviously awful things, but those pale in comparison to the
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  Speaker 12: searches that were on his devices of what he wanted
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  Speaker 12: to do to his victims and what he turned him
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  Speaker 12: on and what he was interested in. So the fact
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  Speaker 12: that he wants any sort of empathy now and special treatment,
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  Speaker 12: nobody feels bad for this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney, joining us
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  Speaker 2: out of La Troy, Mommy.
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  Speaker 1: They threatened to hurt me through the air vent.
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  Speaker 2: Really, and they follow a sex harassment complaint to the jail.
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  Speaker 1: You know what that's called, right, A rat? A snitch?
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  Speaker 13: That's true, Nancy, And you know the old saying snitches
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  Speaker 13: get stitches or end up in ditches. But what's important
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  Speaker 13: here is that we don't forget a little thing called
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  Speaker 13: the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: I carried it around in my pocket. There's the eighth.
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  Speaker 1: Amendment of the Constitution.
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  Speaker 13: Now we all did it prohibits, as you know, cruel
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  Speaker 13: and unusual punishment. And if he is being subjected to
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  Speaker 13: physical violence, to some sort of starvation, or if the
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  Speaker 13: prison is not meeting its own nutritional standards, then.
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  Speaker 2: Slayton, has anybody said that anybody touched a hair on Coburger's.
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  Speaker 1: Head, that's a yes.
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  Speaker 2: No, that has not been a leg Has anyone said
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  Speaker 2: that Coburger has not been given enough food?
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  Speaker 1: That's a yes. No.
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  Speaker 13: Well, he's claiming that in one of his complaints.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what he claimed.
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  Speaker 13: He's saying that the prison.
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  Speaker 1: Sid all items are seed on my tray.
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  Speaker 2: I address this during service, his butler, I guess, and
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  Speaker 2: have yet to receive replacements. Replacement means he just doesn't like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he doesn't like. Get used to it. No one
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  Speaker 2: has starved him, no one has touched him. He's complaining
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  Speaker 2: because the inmates are whispering at him through the airvent
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  Speaker 2: are you serious? Just put the constitution away. Don't degrade
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  Speaker 2: the constitution like that, please.
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  Speaker 13: One of the guards corroborated the threats that he's receiving
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  Speaker 13: and just said that they weren't able to discern which
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  Speaker 13: one of the inmates, because of course a prison guard
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  Speaker 13: doesn't want to exactly what they does.
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  Speaker 3: Between.
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  Speaker 13: The prison guard is smart enough to know not to
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  Speaker 13: get involved in the confrontations between inmates because that can only.
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  Speaker 3: Go bad for that.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, be clear, we have to live with those people
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  Speaker 13: every day.
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  Speaker 14: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're claiming the guard is in on it
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  Speaker 2: and doesn't want to tell the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, that's not what the guard said.
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  Speaker 2: He did not corroborate threats of but effing or as aiding,
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  Speaker 2: this is what he said.
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  Speaker 11: An incident notification report is filled out by the guardard
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  Speaker 11: who received the second Coburger note, and the guard named
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  Speaker 11: by Coberger, is questioned about the claims made by the
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  Speaker 11: admitted quadruple murderer, and a report filed three days later.
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  Speaker 11: The guard says he recalls vulgar language being used and
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  Speaker 11: directed towards Coburger, but he doesn't know which inmates made
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  Speaker 11: the threats.
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  Speaker 2: So actually, the guard says, he recalls vulgar language directed
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  Speaker 2: towards Coburger.
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  Speaker 1: Through the air van. Really, but no one.
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  Speaker 2: Has touched Coburger, no one has hurt Coburger.
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  Speaker 1: And he's getting.
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  Speaker 2: Food he wants so replacement. He doesn't like his block. Awey, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's get real. This is what.
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  Speaker 14: Happened to me.
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  Speaker 5: At what's going on?
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  Speaker 15: One of our one of the roommates has passed out
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  Speaker 15: and she's drunk last night and short like up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and they saw some man in their house as night.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Hian, are you in the patient?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: I need someone who keeps the phone, stop tossing it around.
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  Speaker 6: Can I just tell you what happened? Very much?
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  Speaker 5: What is going on currently if someone passed out right now?
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  Speaker 6: I don't really know what pretty much victorium.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so I need to know what's going on right
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  Speaker 5: now if someone is passed out.
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  Speaker 3: Can you find that out?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll come to check.
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  Speaker 14: We have to.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray.
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  Speaker 14: Are one of the roommates has passed out and she's
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  Speaker 14: drown class and shall not wake you up?
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  Speaker 15: Did you?
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  Speaker 4: On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leayta County, State
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  Speaker 4: of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalves, Xana Kernole,
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  Speaker 4: Ethan Chapman.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, oh, and they saw some man of their house out.
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  Speaker 2: Professor Jays Scott Morgan, what exactly is arterial spray?
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  Speaker 6: So you have my.
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  Speaker 8: Vessels that are directing off of the heart, and so
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  Speaker 8: every time the heart contracts, okay, it pumps, right, we're
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: thinking about pumping. You hit the artery and as opposed
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: to say a vein veins kind of ooze if you
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: will artery spray. So when this pipped, this is going
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: to transport the blood through the air and it turns
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: out in a very specific pattern. It'll have almost if
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: you think about this is why I kind of always
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: describe it. If you think about, say, for instance, taking
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: a can of aerosolt hair spray and spraying it on
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: a mirror, and you see that kind of fine miss
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: that comes up on the mirror. That's kind of the
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: way the deposition of this is. It's very fine, tiny
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: little particulates, and sometimes you'll see these long ranging streaks
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: as well, dependent upon the position. Of course, position changes
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: because you've got an individual that is so incredibly butchered,
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: they're trying to relieve the pain. They'll twist and they'll turn,
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: and so you'll get this kind of overlapping depth. Asian.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: It's a horrible thing to witness because when you're at
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: the scene, Nancy, it's almost like death has painted on
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: the wall in those last moments of their lives, and
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: you can see it kind of laid out before you.
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: If you understand blood blood pattern deposition, it's really quite
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: the horror show.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, author of Deal breakers you
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: can see her on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: Doctor Bethany Ethan's jugular vein.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Was slashed, and now Brian Hoberger, who admits to doing
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that to Ethan, admits to disfiguring Keilly Goel's office's face.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Maddie just stabbed what thirty forty times brutalized.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Now he is whining that someone is sex harassing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Him through the air of it, you know, Nancy, It
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: makes sense to me because I also recalled it. One
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: of his professors predicted that once he got his PhD,
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: he would have more access to potentially assaulting and harassing women.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: He loved to predate. He had a pattern of predating.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: So I think the problem in the prison for him
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: is he would like to anally rape others, but he
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: doesn't like it so much when somebody wants to anally
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: rape him, see, because then the powershifts. As long as
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: he's doing what he did when he was a student assistant,
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: cornering women, cornering people into conversations, towering over them, stalking them,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: harassing them, slitting someone's throat, you know, stabbing a woman
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: multiple times in the face. As long as he is
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: in charge, he loves it. That's why he's imitating serial killers.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: It reminds me of like bt K, who really he
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: wanted so much power, not only over one victim or
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: two victims, but over entire families all at once. But
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: now now that Brian Koberger cannot engage in that reign
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: of terror, people are doing it to him and he
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: does not like the reversal. Now, this thing about talking
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: to mommy all the time, I really hate to say
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: this on the air, but I wouldn't be surprised to
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: discover that he was sexually attracted to his mother. That
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: this wasn't just you know, bragging to mommy or mommy
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: making him feel secure and safe in the world.
• 24:51
  Speaker 16: But I think Brian.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Koberger eroticized and sexualized everybody. I'm not saying the mother
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: participated in it necessarily. It could have all been just
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: in Brian Coworker's own head. But I think he is
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: constantly constantly sexualizing. He just doesn't like it when other
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: people do it to him. And one other small point,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: Nancy is we have a term in my field called
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: auto erotic honor. Erotic is when a person sexual energy
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: is directed back against the self, like they're in love
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: with themselves, They're excited by themselves, like maybe they might masturbate,
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: masturbate while looking in a mirror because the thought of
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: their own body is more exciting than anything else. So
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: he's also stuck in that position where somebody else intrudes,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: like another prisoner or inmate. He's not going to like
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: that because it's not all about him and him being.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: In charge, DoD to Bethany.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Another irony here is that he is the one that
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: did all of those damning digital source about raping women
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: when they are passed out, when they are drawnk when
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: they're on drugs, when they're comatose, and that is what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he was expecting to find when he went into the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: King wrote address.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That is what he wanted because he loves.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Being in a position of power. I mean it's like
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: it was at the max Factor heir who would drug
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: women and then he would actually film himself, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: having sex with them. The idea of the woman being
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: comatose is the ultimate ultimate power play, that's all it is.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: So when you think about somebody who needs that kind
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: of power all of a sudden, being behind bars, he
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: doesn't get all of his goodies on his tray. The
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: other prisoners are mocking him.
• 26:51
  Speaker 16: That is just the opposite of how he's lived his
• 26:55
  Speaker 16: entire life, which is with the illusion of being in
• 26:59
  Speaker 16: control of the entire world.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: All of this a sexual harassment complaint, whining about his food, claiming,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I wish for the items to be called for and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: items replaced, when this something something the nutritional standards are
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: not being upheld. Really, he wants to receive quote replacements. Again,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: he doesn't like his wlok we okay, that's the whole
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: food issue that we've been hearing about since day one.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: If you will recall his relatives, he wanted them to
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: buy all new cook wear and cook not he cooked,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but he wanted them the service to prepare his meals
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: on plates and in dishes, in pots and pans that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: had never touched meat before. Or this is a continuing
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: thing with him. But about the complaints, about the complaints,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: let me understand. Chris McDonough joining me, director Cole Case Foundation,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: former homicide detective. I found him on YouTube at the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: interview room. What a turn of events. Chris McDonough.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe these words are ringing in his ears listen put
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: message from our youngest daughter.
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: However, we wanted to say, you may received a's in
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: high school and college, but you're going to begin big
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: d's in prison.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: That was it sentencing, and I had to think Ken
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: somewhere in here.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Really, he's complaining about people whispering to him through the event.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: This guy who slaughtered, who ripped apart four beautiful co eds,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: ripped them apart with a military k bart knife. That
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: guy is whining about his broccoli and the other inmates
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: taunting him through the heating vent.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nancy, and let's remind the world we broke that
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: here on your show. And at this point, if we
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: look on the Department Corrections website, they call their inmates residents. Okay, well,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: here's a call coming in, Brian. This is not a hotel.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: And what Brian's about to understand is that his virginity
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: as we speak, is being traded for half a cigarette,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and that his mother had better pack some commissary orders
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: so that he has items to trade. I mean, when
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: we talk about the kitchen sending in food, just wait
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: till he gets the special. Okay. He wanted to cosplay
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: a killer. Now he's going to hang out with them,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: They will show him no mercy.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Guys, you're seeing a leaked video, still trying to author indicated.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: All the jails are going, hey, it's not us. But
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: McDonough pointed out, as did a lot of people online
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: after you spoke McDonough, that this is in a medical
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: unit somewhere and we think it was videoed by someone
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: on their cell phone of a security video, much like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the Casaventuria beat down in the Seawan Combs prosecution, that
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: was a.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Cell phone video of a CCTV feed.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, now I want to address the actual complaints, the complaints.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: But Chris McDonough, when you said this ain't the Ritz
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Coburg or what did you mean by that? Actually I paraphrase,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: but what do you mean this ain't a hotel?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I think Brian, you know, he did not anticipate,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know what the totality of his behavior was going
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: to be, just like he didn't anticipate the victims in
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that in those rooms that evening. And for some reason,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: and it's obviously a book pay grade, it's it's for
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the docs, uh to tell us. But you know, here's
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a guy that caused place just what we heard Ted
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Bundy in that boat in that footy picture, and he
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't realize or maybe he does it. I don't know.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: If he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: at some.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Point he's got a pH d in criminology.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: It's well, that's piled higher and deeper and stupid. That's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: what that comes down to. I mean, I don't I
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: think he's you know, just not the sharpest tool and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: evident of the fact that you know everything he does.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Look, look in those complaints where he talks about reciting
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: back the policies to the to the agency. Are you
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: kidding me? You know this guy has already read the
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: policy book. Uh, and so he's going to be a
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: real treat for them and for the wardens.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, doctor Bethany Marshall, did you hear what McDonough said
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that he is not crediting Coburger with being too smart.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I disagree. I think Coburger is smart wildly. Also, you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: don't just have a pH d fall in your lap.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if he has been so causeted and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: so protected my mommy and daddy, I mean, growing up
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: on the mean streets of the Poconos, please right.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: You know, Anthony, you can be smart, but you can
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: also be disturbed, pathological, have poor logic. I think everything
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: refers back to yourself. Have a poor ability to track
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: with what goes on in the minds of people around you.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: So he may have a high IQ in terms of learning,
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: but I'm a very low emotional equ You know this
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: whole thing about the food and the new.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Pand to Bethany, what are you talking about a low emotion?
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: What did you say?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: EQ?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: What?
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: EQ?
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: I don't care.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, don't care his emotional what? The guy murdered
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: four children. They were babies, They hadn't even held him
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: full time jobs yet they were living the life in college.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Look at them. He slaughtered them.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Don't give me anything about his emotional what IQ? Whatever
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you said, it doesn't matter. He slaughtered them. I don't
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: care why he did it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I don't care about his motive. He turned them.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: They're never coming home and they died a horrible death.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And you're telling me about Coburger's emotional IQ.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: What Hey, But Nancy, it takes a lot of intelligence
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: to pull something like that off, to get through a
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: PhD program to get away with everything he did. You know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: it takes planning, It takes driving by, it takes you know, rendering.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: You know, four people, hopeless killing four people. I mean,
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: you really have to have thought something through to do that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: I'm not trying to give him credit, but I'm saying
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: he's got a whole degree to prepare, to prepare for
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: this crime. I mean, think about it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Crime.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I need you to look at your monitor. He is proud.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: This is right after the murders, thumbs up, self aggrandizing smile,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: all cleaned up.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: He probably boiled himself in the shower.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: All the bloody clothes, the bloody evans is all gone,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and here he.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Is thumbs up, guys, I did it. I now know
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: what it feels like, the murder for innocent people. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you're talking about an emotional I can I've never heard anything.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: Like it in my life, Nancy. This is his doctoral dissertation.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: You know how when you get through a PhD program,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: you have to write a seat piece of paper and
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: then amalgamates everything that you've learned and you have to
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: make a unique contribution to a body of literature. This
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: is his dissertation. This is what he was preparing for
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: the whole time. This is why he was able to
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: pull it off.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Quick message from our youngest daughter.
• 35:14
  Speaker 15: Everyon wanted to say, you may have received a's in
• 35:18
  Speaker 15: high school and college, but you're going to be getting
• 35:21
  Speaker 15: big d's in.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Prison crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: He has access to all of those digital photographs.
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: These photos are like a serial killer's pornography. It's quite chilling,
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: living salaciously off of the details of the crime. He's
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: going to sit in jail and all day long because
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: I don't think he feels much at all.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Right, Brian Coburger, who confessed he shredded with a kbar
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and knife for innocent quasi sleeping Idaho students, Now he
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: has filed a sexual harassment claim that he's being threatened
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: behind bars through the air vents. Okay if that's a threat,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and that he doesn't like his food to any elae
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: joining us. She is a star podcast Serialously Annie. Isn't
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: it true that after one night on J block he
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: demands a transfer? You think those victims can get a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: transfer out of those coffins.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: That's not happening. But he wants off the j block.
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: Annie and what's so interesting too, is we talked earlier
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: about his searches and what he's wanted to do to
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: victims and what he was interested in. There were so
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: many reports from people that he went to school with
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: and other professors about how he was very domineering. He
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: would block the hallways, he would stand over people watching them.
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: I'm just in their face all the time. He's now
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: complaining over something where they're not even in his face,
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: they're not blocking him, they're not touching him. It's through
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: the events and he can't even take which look at
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: your past behavior. It's just, in my opinions, you reap
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: what you saw. It could not be happening to a nicer.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Person, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'd like to follow up on what Annie Elise from
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Seriously just said, guys, doctor Hendricks. Former warden and one
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of the toughest CI correctional institutes in the country MDC
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and Brooklyn also Warden and Sheridan, Oregon, former senior warden.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Usd oj author of who Are You See It? Say
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: It Sees It? And he's at the New Daylightfoundation dot com.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, Really he wants off the j block
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: after one night.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Thoughts.
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: You know, Nasci, I'm going to take a page out
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: of Chris statement about the hotel. You just can't walk
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: in a room, don't like the atmosphere and go down
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: to the lobby and say, hey, give me another room
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: because I just don't I'm not feeling the king size bed.
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: I want to double or and I want a swede
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: or something like that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: As the bureaucrat on the line, Unfortunately, we have to
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: take his claim seriously about being potentially butts, and it
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: doesn't make any sense because this is the weakest and
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: most meritless Prison Rate FORMAC Elimination Act claim in the
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: history of prison or corrections. I mean, he is in
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: a cell, a single cell by himself. Every inmate that
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: moves on that j block has to be restrained and
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: wherever they move, whether it's to the shower or wherever
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: they're going. So I think, and to take a page
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: out of doctor Bethanye's comments about playing the long game.
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: What I think he's trying to do is he's trying
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: to set a scene to where if they ever put
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: him in a cell with someone else and he is assaulted,
• 38:59
  Speaker 14: he wants to go on record to say, hey, there
• 39:01
  Speaker 14: put me in a position to be harmed so that
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: he can possibly be moved to a different facility. Unlike
• 39:08
  Speaker 14: the FEDS, where we try to trade our bad inmates
• 39:11
  Speaker 14: all the time when we're dealing with inmates that we
• 39:13
  Speaker 14: really don't want it our facilities. He is at the
• 39:16
  Speaker 14: one maximum prison in the state of Idaho. So the
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: only way he can leave that facility is if he
• 39:23
  Speaker 14: becomes a state boarder with another state correctional agency or
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: the FEDS pick him up. And nobody's going to pick
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: this guy up. So you know, three things I always
• 39:33
  Speaker 14: talk about, you don't want to be in prison a snitch,
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: which he's now because now he's rating on inmates number
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: two harming women, you know. And also now and the
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: other thing is he's a malingerer, you know. So now
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: inmates don't like other inmates that bring attention to these
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: housing units and where they live. So it's going to
• 39:55
  Speaker 14: be a long road for the inmates population because of
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: him being a rat now. But it's also going to
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: be a lot of paperwork, a lot of following up
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: because they have to respond to every claim that he
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: has because if something happens to him, then he may
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: have merit to whatever habeas petitions that he may have
• 40:14
  Speaker 14: based on his conditions.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Dodter Henry's you just told me so much. I try
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to write it all down, I'm having to dissect it now.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: That was a lot of information.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Are you telling me that he's in the only MAX
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in that area?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: So if he is transferred, he's transferred to a local
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: jail like in Mayberry.
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: No, he's not going to Maybury. And I'm going to
• 40:36
  Speaker 14: tell you right now, the only way he would ever
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: leave Idaho is if there's an inmate and another jurisdiction
• 40:43
  Speaker 14: has given that juristick is so many problems. They say,
• 40:45
  Speaker 14: you know what, we need a break from this person
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: will take him on. But I just don't see that happening.
• 40:50
  Speaker 14: But I believe he's playing the long game with his
• 40:53
  Speaker 14: incarceration and he's trying to set it up to where
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: if he does get harmed, then he can say, look,
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: I was complaining from day one, and this happened to
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: me a year from now, even three four years from now,
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: if he's assaulted. So I feel sorry for those folks
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: in the state of Idaho because they're going to have
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: a long road dealing.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: With this guy, what about the food compliance? And he put, hey,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: let's see the compliants, guys, the handwritten complaints. I wish
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  Speaker 2: to speak with you. I wish to speak with you.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I want to be transferred immediately to the B block.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Be as in brother the food whining? What about that? Hendrix?
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  Speaker 14: Look again, like Chris said earlier, he's going to get
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: the special because the inmates prepare the food. The inmates
• 41:46
  Speaker 14: are the ones to make sure the portion sizes are right,
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: and they also try to have diversity in the kitchen
• 41:51
  Speaker 14: so that some inmates don't get smaller portions and other
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: gets larger based on their gang affiliation or race affiliation.
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: He is a I don't care what color he is.
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: I don't care what game he think he might be.
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  Speaker 14: He's going to be a guy at Every inmate hates
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  Speaker 14: in that facility. So he needs to shut up, be quiet,
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: and hope that he doesn't get the special every time
• 42:14
  Speaker 14: his tray comes down the range because the inmates in
• 42:18
  Speaker 14: special housing helps the officer.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by this special?
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: He could be could be some body fluid. There are
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: some other things in that in his tray. That's what
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: I mean by the special, So you know I hate
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: for somebody to urine in it, maybe put some poop
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: in it. Maybe you know, there it's not or whatever,
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: whatever special they want to come up with, that's the special.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, Chris mcdonna jump in.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I love Warden Henders, That's exactly what's going to happen.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Wait so much, just love him so much.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Just just wait until the inmates figure out that this guy,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Brian Koger, sees them as bugs. He this guy thinks
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: he's above everybody, above every consequence. But the inmates have
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: already figured him out. And what you know we talked
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: about a couple of weeks ago, Nancy on your show,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: is they were waiting for him because somehow they had
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: figured him out. And now he's just digging a ditch
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: worse and worse. And you know, Doc is right this
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: he's just going to be an absolute disaster to manage.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: You know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, it's not going to
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: get He's never going to stop. Yeah, And I say
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that because you know, my theory is when you don't
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: know a horse.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: Look at his track record.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Even though he was told to stop, he never quit
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: bullying women that he taught. Remember he was a teaching assistant.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, his bad behavior happened over and over and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: over again. And he says himself now as the victim,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 7: Yes he does.
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  Speaker 1: And so you're right.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. So some
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: of the complaints lodged against him. When he was a student,
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: he cornered one guy into a three hour conversation, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: this fellow student wanted to report Coburger as having verbally
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: kidnapped him, which I think is fascinating. He would have
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: no body space between him and other women. He would
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: use ablest sexist, misogynist language. He would power over women,
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: he would try to intimidate them. He can't do that
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: with the other inmates, Nancy, So now he's trying to
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: do it with the prison guards and the staff. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: I think what doctor Hendrick said so beautifully is that
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: he is going to try to threaten and undermine and
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: manipulate the authority of the bureaucus bureaucracy of the prison.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: But all he's doing is creating a nightmare for other people.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: He's not going to be able to get traction. You know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: the serial killer that Coburger reminds me of, the most
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: in BTK. And I'll tell you why bt K was
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: such a messy killer. But he was so rigid. He
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: would he was the dog catcher in the neighborhood. He
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: was the local deacon. He would complain if people's grasp
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: was too long. I mean he sort of it was
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: his own little mini rain of terror over his neighborhood.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: And now Coburger's doing the exact same thing with the
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: dishes and the pans and the what's coming through the
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: air vents. It's like he still believes he's in charge
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: even though he's behind bars. And I like the doctor
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: Hendrix pointed out sort of how conniving it is that
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: he's actually trying to get himself transferred. That is not
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: just arrogance on a small scale. But this guy has
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: all day long to sit around and plot and plan
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: and try to think about how to get himself out
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: of there, and people are going to have to respond.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: In a sense, he's harassing the prison.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: You know what, Dr Bethany, let me give you my
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: expert legal analysis.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, boo efing who? And the reason I say boo
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: effing who Coburger is because of this Joe Scott reality check.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: What was done to the.
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: Victims, pure unadulterated slaughter, over and over and over again.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: Blood soaked is the way I would describe it.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: And let me want it.
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: If you like that, let me give you one more piece.
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: He might be sentenced to prison for the rest of
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: his life, but these kids paid with their lives and
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: guess who else is paying their families. Their families will
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: be in a prison for the rest of their days
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: because of what this guy has done. Nancy.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Now we remember an American hero Officer Matthew Baxter, Casimi
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Police Department, Florida, just twenty seven, shot down in the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Sadia, and
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: three children. American hero Officer Matthew Baxter. Nancy Gray signing
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: off goodbye friend.