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Sydney Sells Seashells by the Sea Shore · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's been here with my co host this week, Sidney Latwaco. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney and I wanted to dedicate this episode to September eleven,
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  Speaker 1: UM and the memory of those who sacrifice their lives
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  Speaker 1: and also UM served um before then on that day
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  Speaker 1: and and for all of us since then. Some of
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  Speaker 1: your listeners I know are currently in the military and
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  Speaker 1: are so our veterans, and we just want to say
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I just want to take the moment
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  Speaker 1: to pause and out of our busy days, even though
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  Speaker 1: we're listening to this podcast, just to remember what happened
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  Speaker 1: all those years ago, and remember where we are today
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  Speaker 1: and honor those that have fallen. So we hope. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: This podcast not only breaks down pattern and paradise, but
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  Speaker 1: it also during afterwards and uh, in any moment that
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  Speaker 1: you take a step back, sit down and thank those
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  Speaker 1: who have given so much up for the life that
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  Speaker 1: we get to live. So thank you, thank you. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get started. This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous podcast with our radio. This week, like most weeks,
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  Speaker 1: we're bringing you two very special episodes, and this week
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  Speaker 1: we thought we'd do something different. We're gonna have Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: As you heard on the first episode of Batchel in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: and they're gonna split up time and bringing guests from
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  Speaker 1: each episode to help us co host, just so we
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  Speaker 1: get a clear picture of what is actually going on
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  Speaker 1: in the beach. On the beach, in the beach, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you do on the beach. And this week, as you
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  Speaker 1: heard the Giggles, my lovely, very likable and long standing
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  Speaker 1: Batchel in Paradise contestant this season, Sydney is my co host. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Sydney Dinks Man, I'm excited to be here. Sydney, I
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  Speaker 1: have no clue how to say your last name. Let's walkot.
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  Speaker 1: You could say like Taco. That's usually my nickname. People
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  Speaker 1: usually get around and just call me Taco. Yeah, is
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  Speaker 1: it gonna be weird for this podcast? I call you Taco?
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  Speaker 1: And we should start. I mean, we're talking about Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: in Paradise. There was a lot of tacos to be
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  Speaker 1: had there, so might as well started. Now. You don't
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  Speaker 1: see okay, and on the Bachelor franchise, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: you don't see people eating very often. In Paradise. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like people are eating all the time. Is that
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  Speaker 1: just something we seem to see or is it actually happening.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like because on Paradise it's like kind of
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  Speaker 1: a rolling footage, and in Bachelor it's like you go
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  Speaker 1: on the day and then you go here and then
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  Speaker 1: you take a break. Where Bachelor in Paradise you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of just there all the time and you gotta eat
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  Speaker 1: so um. Yeah, I think that's why you see us
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  Speaker 1: eat a lot more. It's a little bit more relaxed,
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  Speaker 1: I think in Paradise than in like Bachelor World. The
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  Speaker 1: rumor is that the food in Paradise is really good.
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  Speaker 1: It is very good, and then they make it for you,
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  Speaker 1: which is nice to um, and you can kind of
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  Speaker 1: order your own thing, and there's I guess, like a
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  Speaker 1: secret menu that people we learned as um some old
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  Speaker 1: cast mates came along, so you kind of like make
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  Speaker 1: your own whatever you want and get creative towards the end.
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  Speaker 1: I like the idea of this. Um that's it would
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  Speaker 1: be dangerous for me. I'm a big chips and salsa
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  Speaker 1: fame is fire. Paradise would be really bad for me. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: if anybody's out there listening and going, who the heck
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  Speaker 1: is Sydney, well you should know, but we should give
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  Speaker 1: you a little update as well. She's from Virginia, recently
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  Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles, California. We'll talk about that. She's
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  Speaker 1: known uh from Colton Underwood season of The Bachelor. Also,
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  Speaker 1: she's been on Bachelor in Paradise. She hit it off
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  Speaker 1: with Mike Johnson and then was interested in Matt Donald.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Donald, though, chose Bree Barnes as we watched last night,
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  Speaker 1: and Sydney unfortunately went home. Sydney, let's start here with
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  Speaker 1: you personally. Yes, you live in Virginia and you've recently
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  Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles. What was the thought process? Um?
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  Speaker 1: I actually figured that I wanted to move to l
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  Speaker 1: A when I was on Bachelor, because I was living
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  Speaker 1: in New York at the time, and I had been
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  Speaker 1: there for like nine years, and I was sitting like
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  Speaker 1: you just sit around and kind of think about your
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  Speaker 1: life all day long, and I realized from not being
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  Speaker 1: in like the rat race of New York and not
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  Speaker 1: focusing on work, that I was actually unhappy there. And
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  Speaker 1: it took me going on the show and kind of
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  Speaker 1: being removed my life to realize that. And then I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, at least I know that when I
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  Speaker 1: leave the show, no matter what happens, I need to change.
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  Speaker 1: So l A was that changed for me? What are
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  Speaker 1: you hoping you get out of l A? Like? What
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  Speaker 1: are some of those things you you desire from the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast? Um? I just wanted a new energy. I
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  Speaker 1: was so over winter, and I think just naturally I'll
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  Speaker 1: be happy or just one in sunshine. But I also
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  Speaker 1: I want to keep dancing, I want to keep performing,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to get more into that world in
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  Speaker 1: the commercial part of things. So l A is the
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  Speaker 1: place to do that. And I'm hoping that this will
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  Speaker 1: be like the rocket ship into the rest of my career.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, good for you. Well, hey, how many people
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  Speaker 1: do you know? We were talking before the podcast started.
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  Speaker 1: You're hoping to meet some friends in Los Angeles. How
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  Speaker 1: is the best way to be friend you in this world?
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  Speaker 1: You know you can just DM me or in that
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  Speaker 1: old work, I'm I look at my d m s
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  Speaker 1: and I will respond. So yeah, let's be friend We
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  Speaker 1: have the almost famous podcast has a lot of listeners
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  Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles there, But feeling your dms are
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  Speaker 1: going to blow up for multiple reasons. As long as
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  Speaker 1: you're not private, then we can move forward. That was
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  Speaker 1: the problem for before I was getting like date d
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  Speaker 1: m s and I was like, well, unless I know
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  Speaker 1: what you actually look like and you're not a predator,
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell if you're private. So let's start there.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good point publicize your step one has your
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  Speaker 1: d ms just blown up during Paradise. It's always amazing
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  Speaker 1: to me. You know, we go through the Bachelor, you're
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  Speaker 1: there for either one week or I don't know, ten weeks,
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  Speaker 1: but either way, you know, your social media following does increase.
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  Speaker 1: But it feels like after Paradise it does it Does
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  Speaker 1: it jump again or is it stay about the same.
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  Speaker 1: I think it definitely took a jump when I because
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  Speaker 1: I think you saw me a lot more in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: and you get to know people's personalities, and I think
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  Speaker 1: people get to know you more and kind of feel
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  Speaker 1: like they can easily talk to you like you know you. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I definitely had a bump since Paradise, which they've
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  Speaker 1: all been positive and great. So he doesn't hurt to
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  Speaker 1: have nice messages, right, especially when you leave the show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's only a few this season are
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  Speaker 1: probably getting haden on, which brings me to some of
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  Speaker 1: the main topics Before we break down this week's episode,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about some of the
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  Speaker 1: main things that have happened this season on Paradise and
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  Speaker 1: get your perspective on it didn't. I have spoken to
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  Speaker 1: Blake a few times um as a friend. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff I just won't discuss, but one of
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  Speaker 1: the shocking things that he told me was he and
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  Speaker 1: you gotta feel for the guy in this moment he
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  Speaker 1: told me, He's like, hey, everything did not go well,
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  Speaker 1: Like I made some bad decisions. This is kind of
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  Speaker 1: I'm summarizing what he told me. I made some bad
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  Speaker 1: decisions with the Paradise, thinking like it was gonna be okay,
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  Speaker 1: and it just wasn't like that. That was on me.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, but the one thing I didn't expect and
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  Speaker 1: the one thing that hurt the most was watching it
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  Speaker 1: back and seeing how anti Blake everybody in Paradise was
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  Speaker 1: because I thought they were my friends, Like I thought
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  Speaker 1: I had friends, yeah on the beach. From your perspective,
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  Speaker 1: did he have friends on the beach or did people
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  Speaker 1: really just not like Blake. I think he definitely had
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  Speaker 1: friends on the beach. I just think that as more
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  Speaker 1: started to come out. People were like, oh, maybe this
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  Speaker 1: guy is lying to us, And I think everyone just
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  Speaker 1: kind of tread treaded lately with him. Um, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I had, I mean, everyone knew deep down he was
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  Speaker 1: a great guy, but he just kept making wrong choice
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  Speaker 1: after wrong choice. So we were all kind of like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: get your together, essentially. Um. So yeah, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: was friends with him and I would hear him out,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of times he just made a lot
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  Speaker 1: of bad choices and he I almost think that he
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  Speaker 1: needed to have left Paradise to really figure out everything
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  Speaker 1: he needed to, and he kind of just stuck around
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  Speaker 1: I think, almost too long because it just kept getting worse. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but you got a hand into him for at least, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sticking it out and um, trying to fix it,
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  Speaker 1: even though it didn't really work out in the end.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean he had friends. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: also hard because we were all friends with Kalin as well,
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  Speaker 1: and she was giving us a big part of the
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  Speaker 1: story that he wasn't giving us. So it was trying
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  Speaker 1: us trying to figure out like who to listen do
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  Speaker 1: and who's side to take. Essentially. Yeah, it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think for Blake. I wonder if he would agree,
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  Speaker 1: but I agree with you. It's like, all right, Blake,
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  Speaker 1: he made a mistake. I don't think at your core
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  Speaker 1: you're an intentionally bad human, Like you didn't go into
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  Speaker 1: this to like hurt everybody in your weight. But then
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  Speaker 1: it just did feel like this whole season of Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: every decision he made was like the wrong, like there's
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  Speaker 1: a right or wrong, Like he had a path in
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  Speaker 1: front of you just seems like he just kept going
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  Speaker 1: down the wrong path and then the wrong path, and
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  Speaker 1: then they're wrong path, and it just he couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: out of it. I think because he was just trying
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  Speaker 1: to protect what he is image used to be in
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  Speaker 1: like what he had before, where he needed to almost
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  Speaker 1: start from like ground zero and build up, and said
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  Speaker 1: he was like trying to get back to where he was,
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  Speaker 1: like kept trying to climb, but get kept getting like
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  Speaker 1: pushed off. So yeah, he just needed to rebuild, but
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  Speaker 1: he was trying to like start from the middle. You
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  Speaker 1: have a big storyline this season, said you was you
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  Speaker 1: and Mike Johnson. You guys hit it off. You had
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  Speaker 1: something now that ended a few weeks ago. My question
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  Speaker 1: for you is it should or how would you feel
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  Speaker 1: about Mike Johnson be the next Bachelor? I think he
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have so much respect for Mike and
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  Speaker 1: we didn't get there obviously, but I think he would
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  Speaker 1: make a wonderful bachelor. And I think that he would
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  Speaker 1: be refreshing or refreshing bachelor. We haven't seen someone of
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  Speaker 1: color yet. And not only is he that, but he
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  Speaker 1: also is this like extreme light of a person. He's respectful,
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  Speaker 1: he is fun, He has a smile of like the
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  Speaker 1: best smile I've ever seen. I think he'd make a
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  Speaker 1: great bachelor. What are like his best qualities? So we
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to see a lot of them, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: come off of the Bachelor. I was a Mike Johnson's
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  Speaker 1: supporter for Bachelor, and then I said, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of them in Paradise. I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not invested into a story right now. So I
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  Speaker 1: get why you know he could be a bachelor still,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's the top choice. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know Mike Johnson anymore. Sydney. You got to know
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  Speaker 1: very well. What are some of his best qualities? He
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  Speaker 1: has the biggest heart of I think anyone on that beach. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he also has like he said this about me, but
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  Speaker 1: he has extreme, like amazing core values and he is
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  Speaker 1: like just a fun guy to be around. And he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there to like be on TV. He was there
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  Speaker 1: to actually build a relationship and he represented that, I think,
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  Speaker 1: and I found the most refreshing because I think the
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  Speaker 1: problem with this season is a lot of us are
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of us, but a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: came onto the beach kind of with a plan for
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  Speaker 1: themselves that didn't always pan out, where Mike was just
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  Speaker 1: trying to be there for the experience of finding someone
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  Speaker 1: for him to take outside of Paradise and be with.
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  Speaker 1: So he was refreshing and that in that crazy beach.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder, who do you think, Like, I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: doing that kind of happening that mindset, which is what
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  Speaker 1: you'd hope, would be the right mindset. Um I get.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you come on this to try
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  Speaker 1: to build relationship and find a relationship. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: that does better when you're the Bachelor or on the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor than it does in Paradise, because Paradise feels like
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  Speaker 1: you need to be really assertive really on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: It stresses me out because one week you're in love
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  Speaker 1: and two days later somebody's walking down the stairs and
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  Speaker 1: they take your love interest on a date. Like that.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff doesn't sit well with me. And what do you
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  Speaker 1: think do you think like maybe that mindset of hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to commit to search to find and then
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  Speaker 1: if that doesn't work out, leave, do you think that
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  Speaker 1: works out well in Paradise? I mean that was the
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  Speaker 1: mindset I came into. Um. I think this is just
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  Speaker 1: like depends on the person and what you are on
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  Speaker 1: the show. For I wasn't there too um b S
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted I was there to find a relationship
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  Speaker 1: and I unfortunately didn't. I don't know. I think that
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  Speaker 1: no matter what, you have to be aggressive in that
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  Speaker 1: world too. And like obviously there's plus pluses to being
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  Speaker 1: on the show and things come out of it. But
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  Speaker 1: I think for me at least and for people like Mike,
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  Speaker 1: I think that having an authentic experience is better than
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  Speaker 1: trying to fabricate whatever um end goal you're trying to get.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, to each their own right, Like Paradise
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  Speaker 1: is there's no roles and you can kind of do
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want. Um, I guess choose how you're going
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  Speaker 1: to operate and that very interesting environment. Speaking of to
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  Speaker 1: each their own, then why didn't you and Mike work out?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have like really good things to say
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  Speaker 1: about him. Um, it felt like it was a good relationship. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of my biggest complaints this season about Paradises,
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I am able to see why
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  Speaker 1: couples work and why couples don't work aside. Yeah, they've
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  Speaker 1: been pushing aside. So I think everybody would be asking
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  Speaker 1: if you if you think so highly of them, what happened? Um?
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  Speaker 1: I think for whatever reason, Mike and I we connected
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  Speaker 1: a lot, but we were on different pages as far
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  Speaker 1: as where our relationship was. He was moving faster than
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  Speaker 1: I was, and I wanted to. I kept pushing myself
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  Speaker 1: to kind of meet him where he was at. Um,
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  Speaker 1: because after he went on the day with Calin, he
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  Speaker 1: kind of like be lined for me and like right
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  Speaker 1: into like pursuing me. And it kind of was like
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  Speaker 1: abrupt for me at first, because I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I thought you liked Kitlan, like you took her out.
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  Speaker 1: I was a little confused, so I was kind of
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  Speaker 1: just like playing catch up and um, I just couldn't
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  Speaker 1: fully get there, and I out of respect for him,
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  Speaker 1: and I know, like what he's looking for and what
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  Speaker 1: he came here for. I was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hold you back anymore, which is essentially why we
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  Speaker 1: um kind of broke things off because he went to
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  Speaker 1: the wedding with christ and Crystal and he had talked
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  Speaker 1: to Angela and a couple of people that he was
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  Speaker 1: interested in, and he had told me about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, it sounds like your heart's being
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  Speaker 1: pulled in that direction. And he felt like he finally
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  Speaker 1: was himself when he went to that wedding and was
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  Speaker 1: able to get out of his head. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hold anyone back and I want
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you to feel like you're not yourself
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  Speaker 1: around me. So we kind of just like parted ways.
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  Speaker 1: We had a conscious uncoupling, if you for other better terms. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was like it was a kind breakup which mutual
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always happened on Paradise, and especially doesn't always happen
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  Speaker 1: as we get farther to the end, Hey, Sydney, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask you a question, and then what we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do is We're gonna take a break to talk about
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  Speaker 1: some of our great sponsors, and then when we come
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  Speaker 1: back from the break, I'm gonna have you answer the
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  Speaker 1: question so you get a little time to think about it. Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: what was one or two or three or maybe eight
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  Speaker 1: things that happened in Paradise that we haven't seen or
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  Speaker 1: have not seen on the show that was exciting, intriguing, weird, different, funny, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: Just some stories that the viewers didn't get to see.
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  Speaker 1: Sydney will come back and answer that question in just
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  Speaker 1: one second, but first, let's take a break. Sydney is
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  Speaker 1: co hosting me. Well, let's go our taco. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I want to see your first and last name,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it's just gonna get really weird if I did.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's it's not good of me, It really isn't.
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  Speaker 1: I just let me try, Let me try one time,
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  Speaker 1: low twa. Yeah, there you go, taco. Um. Sidney was
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  Speaker 1: once again one of the favorites in Paradise this year.
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  Speaker 1: We saw her go home this week. We'll get to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that in a second, but before we do,
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  Speaker 1: I've asked Sydney, what are some stories from Paradise that
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  Speaker 1: we didn't can see his viewers that we would have
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  Speaker 1: liked the scene or that she would have liked been
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  Speaker 1: shown Sydney. Do you have an answer? Yeah? I have
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  Speaker 1: a few. Um One, everything that Mike and I talked about,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it would have been a refreshing um
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  Speaker 1: part of Paradise where you actually saw, like, um, a
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  Speaker 1: good relationship building and to human beings trying to connect
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  Speaker 1: in this insane type of environment and actually being there
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  Speaker 1: for the reasons I think Paradise is ultimately trying to
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  Speaker 1: create UM. Also, there's just like funny moments throughout UM.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: There is a moment where Nicole and I were teaching
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: JPJ how to dance, and we taught him like some
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: like hair flips and all kinds of wild moves. H
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: he is a one. He's like an alien honestly, but
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: he's pretty funny to watch dance. That was really really funny.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a lot of moments of JPJ,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: But there's millions more. Can you thank you for answer
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that question? And I want to kind of fallow up
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: on that. Our listeners have been emailing us like crazy
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and tweeting us, and then you know, Ashley and I
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: have talked about it a few times now. I met
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: JPJ once at the wedding. He was super nice. He
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: came up to me, he shook my hand, he said hello.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: He made me feel welcome to a show that I
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: wasn't on. But we watch it back and it felt
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: like JPJ had like two weeks of breaking down, Like
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: it wasn't the JPJ that we knew and fell in
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: love with. What happened? Do you have any insight into
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: why all the things changed? This is what I didn't happened.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I think he fell in love with Tasha and didn't
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: know what to do with himself, and then I didn't
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: know how to express those emotions. I also think he
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: was being respectful to her because she's more of a
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: private person, and I think they had private moments together
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: where she didn't really want to have the whole beach
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: knowing about their relationship. So I think he was trying
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to essentially keep them a secret or like keep them
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to each other. And then he started seeing Derek kind
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: of come swoop in and on Tasia and start like
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: having um a relationship kind of build with her, and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I think he got overwhelmed and just kind of reacted
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and we all saw how that ended up happening. Yeah,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a good point. It's a good
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: lesson for all of us. Love makes us do some
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: crazy things. It truly does. And JPJ was legitimately you
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: believe in love with Taia. I think over heels sold out.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I think it was unexpected for him, and I think
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: he didn't know how to handle those emotions. And I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: think he was there for fun and didn't expect anything
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to come out of it and then fell head over
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: heels for Tasia. It's one of the best. You gave
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: us the best explanation for what happened. Then we've heard yet.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: My thought is this, I wonder and I have no
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: clue Jpj's love story. You might, you know, I remember
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: if we go back. I don't know how many times
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: JPJ has been in love in his life, But if
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: you go back to like middle school, right, I don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: know if it changes from middle school to when you're thirty.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: That first love, like when it hits you, it hits
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you hard, and it makes you do weird things like
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it does make you cry at unexpected moments, it makes
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you text somebody thirty times a day. You call them
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: at every moment you get a chance to. You worry
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: about them every second. Like that first love, at least
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: for me, like shook me, shook me bad. I mean,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: do you think that's what happened? Was it his first love?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, you know, I remember talking
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: to him at the beginning and he had mentioned like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend in college that he dated all through college.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: It sounded like they might have been in love, but
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: not the way that he was in love with Titia. Um, yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: so I think it. I think it's exactly what you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: just described. He kind of just lost control and couldn't
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: control his emotions and how he was reacting. And I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: think that's because he was. He was in love. Love
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: does like love is as a really powerful deal, isn't
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that Where we watched the show, We've asked it a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: few times, like do you watch it for the drama
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: or do you do watch it for the love? And
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: last week we asked that question to our listeners and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: they mostly came back with the drama, which is a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: little bit unfortunate. But I do think the love is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the thing that keeps us watching, right that happy ending
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: after going through all the ups and downs that you
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: do watching these seasons. So yeah, I think that that's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the end goal of everything, and we're all rooting for
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: love beautiful look at us, Hey, um Sydney. We're going
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to dive into the show now and what happened in
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this week's episode, and it just happens to be that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I think the very first thing we should talk about
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: is what's led up to this moment in this week,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and that's your relationship with Matt Donald. Um. Hey, Matt
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: has been really great to me. He messaged me on
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Instagram and said he's a listener to the podcast and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: he appreciates the nice thing said. And I think Matt
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Donald seems like the type of guy that you would
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: love to take home to your parents, to your grandpa, arnts,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that you love to take to any situation, and he's
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: going to be great in it. Um. I think I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: talked about last week. I think the whole like bring
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: up mom thing was a little bit much. I love
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: my mom. He really loved his mom, Like Sidney, you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: break it down a little bit for us. Leading up
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to this moment. Matt obviously had two wonderful women that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: were both interested in him. He was doing this while
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: sabotaging himself by talking to about his mom and every
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: romantic sense, what told you to this guy? What made
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you like him so much? And then I also want
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you to like pick out him a little bit. He's fine,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: he's heard me doing He still thank me for saying
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, because he is. I think he's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a great guy. But he's a good sport. He's a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: good sport about this. But why did he talk about
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: his mom? Here's my thing with Matt. Yeah, Matt Donald,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he I think when he's a fan of the show. Um,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: he came into it as a super fan of pantiler Nation,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: so that kind of sunden behind. And he had only
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: been on Hannah's season for one night and he got
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: sent home. So he came into the end of Paradise.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: All of us had been there a while, Plus all
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of us had been on the show before. We were
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: used to the camera, as we were used to being
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: around each other. We're used to just kind of like
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: letting it all hang out, especially at that point, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: he was just so concerned about every little detail that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: was going to come out of his mouth or how
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: he's going to be portrayed, and he kept being afraid
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he was going to be the villain, and I was like, Babe,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: there's no way that you as a person could ever
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: be the villain. I like, you just need to calm
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: down and be yourself. But he couldn't do it. So
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I felt almost like I felt connected to him because
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I just felt really like felt for him, and I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: wanted him to have this experience because I I felt
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: similar to him when I went on Batchelor. I was
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: just like concerned for how I'd be portrayed and like
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: being afraid of saying the wrong things. But I learned
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: really quickly that no, as long as you're not like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a bad person, essentially you're going to be fine. And um,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: he couldn't get past that, and then he was just
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I guess his mom must give a crazy speech before
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: hes because he would not stop bringing up his mom.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I can't really get um in
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: an intimate place with you if you keep talking about
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: your mom, so let's like try to move on. But nope,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it is funny. I mean, I get it. I talked
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: about last week, you know it was brought up. Hey,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he'd only been there a night before. He wasn't comfortable yet.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I get the idea of I remember the first time
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I watched it with my whole family, my grandparents and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: uh and everything, and my grandma was watching me make
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: out on TV. Like it isn't it's not something I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: desire or necessarily want. But if you're gonna go on
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the show, you got to get over it quickly exactly
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like you're there, you signed up for it. You and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: he knew what the show was. He watched it every
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: week with his mom, So I just don't understand why
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you struggled so much. But yeah, I mean, he's a sweet,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: simple soul Matt Donald. Was he endearing like, I mean,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: obviously you and Bree both found him at some level,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: like you're attracted to him, You're to him. Was in
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like was his worries and fears and daring um. At
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: first it was endearing, but towards like a few days,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, come on, dude, like we only have
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: so much time here, like don't waste it, Like let's
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: make the most of it. And I think he started
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to get there towards the end, and and then he
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: got again in his head when he realized he was
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: now in a love triangle and didn't was so concerned
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: with like how our feelings, which was like very sweet,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: but I was like, dude, we also signed up for that,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like knowing that we're all dating multiple people, like we're
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Like he almost felt like he was
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: blake in this situation where he was doing all the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: stage coach things but actually didn't do much besides like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: kiss each of us after we had to basically do
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it ourselves. So, oh man, if there's one, I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: this is almost humorous. And Matt, I hope you listen
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to this episode because you have a guy, let's say,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: like Dean, and Dean is one of my best friends
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I loved and he's a good dude. But we know
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Dean right, He's a little bit confused, he's a hard time,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: but he's like super like he is super charming. He
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: is very honest. So Dean does not like really lie.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: He knows like what he wants. He says it even
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: if it's like the worst possible thing to say in
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the moment. And him and a love Dean in the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: love triangle, I don't know if he can handle it,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Like he's not made for it. I don't know if
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: anybody is. But he like navigates it, and it's like
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it gets messy because he navigates it so well and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he like can bring everybody along with him. But Matt
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Donald in a love triangle is like literally like humorous,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: like he's sunny. Yeah, it's like he's done, Like he's overwhelmed. Yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he would be drowning. I know there'd be points where
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like I was sitting besides him and then Bree was
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: on the other side, and he would just sit there
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: like twiddling his thumbs. He couldn't even talk. It was
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: it was rough. Well, okay, rough, We're gonna bring it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in here Matt Donald talks about his mom. Uh, you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: are pushing him to try to get physical in some
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: type of way, even with a kiss. It a funny
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like pulled out scene, and all of a sudden,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the kiss happens and it flashes back to a moment
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: we're earlier this season, you mentioned that Colton Underwood was
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: a bad kisser, and it was agreed upon by I
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: don't know one or two other people there on the beach,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and it became a storyline, a headline. Um afterwards. All right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: First off, who's a better kisser, Matt Donald or Colton?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I will just say that there was more behind Matt
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Donald's kisses than there were Colton's. What do you mean
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: by this? I think everybody owes a little bit more explanation. Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: not to like kiss and tell, but to kiss and tell. Um.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I just think Coleton one, he was a virgin, which
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is like we were all fine with that. I just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: don't think there was a lot of passion behind the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: kisses he was giving us, which too, like, I mean,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he didn't like us, so that could have been why
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: those kisses were not that passionate. Um, they weren't messy,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: so they were clean cuts, not really passionate kisses. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that could have been a lot of different elements. Um. Yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: for you ever like going home, because I remember during
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: might come as a bachelor, there was you know, you
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: do start to develop stronger feelings for others pretty soon,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: pretty early on, you start to kind of know who
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you're into it here or not. But then again there's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: always surprises and you try to stay open to it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: But it is hard. It is really hard to be
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: at a cocktail party and you're kissing somebody and you're
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: enjoying it, and then somebody else comes around you start
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: kissing them and it's like not as good, and then
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: somebody else comes around the corner. I mean, it could
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: be like five people in one night, like Lazy Towards
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the end of the name, sure, you get tired tongue anymore,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: it's so much. And then like as the nights go on, Sydney,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can relate. I don't want
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to mention any names, but there's like a couple of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: girls that would eat like the snacks and so like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they'd have like the little hot dog rolls, and then
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: at the end of the night, like after four hours
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of champagne and hot dog rolls, their breath is not awesome,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Like it is not fantastic. Mind is it probably either?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But then we're still kissing because it's the time that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: we have. It's all we've using it wisely. Um, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: will say Colton has very good breath, which was at
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: least nice. Yeah, I could see that. There's a lot
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of things that go into it. I think ultimately, Golden
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and I just were in a match and it came
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: across in our kisses. So yeah, not to harp on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: him anymore, but it just wasn't for me. It's fine,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: it was it was something that brought attention, that that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: brought its own attention, and even Colton tweeted about it,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: talked about it, Catty tweeted about talked about it. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: think they laughed it off. I mean, if I'm Cassie,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I'm looking back at it and going I'm glad he
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't a good kisser to you because it's better for me.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: But it's still it comes with its own you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: when you're the bachelor, comes with its own criticism. How
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: good of a kisser you are? Uh, definitely gets talked about. However,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think it ever got brought up with me,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: meaning I probably wasn't. So you're killing it and the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: kisses kissing de firement. I don't think I was, Like
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I think I was so bad. You were like, yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about it, like, yeah, let's beat
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the guy up. Anyways. Okay, so Matt Donald and you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: have your kiss. Sparks are flying, at least you think so.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And then we get to the rows ceremony and you
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: go home. How do you know? Um, Yeah, that last
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: road ceremony was pretty crucial for me and Matt to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: ever push anything any further for like forward. Um, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: remember when Chris came in and was like, okay, so
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: cocktail parties canceled, figure your out and let's let's do this,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and I just again shaw saw Matt immediately shut down
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and just like almost like have an internal freak out.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh God, I don't think he
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: knows what he's gonna do. So I remember saying to him,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, listen, like as we're walking out, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, whatever decision you make, like make sure
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: it's yours, don't worry about like what your mom's gonna think,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: or like what everyone's gonna think, or like what you
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: should do. Just like make it based off of like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: what you want. So I think because I said that,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: maybe it was um it turned to me going home,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So maybe I shouldn't have said that, but uh yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: but I think he had it coming to him when
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: rebroken with him the next day. So so we'll close
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: out this storyline and then move on the next. If
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you are around on the beach, do you go to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the Fantasy Suits with Matt? If I was I think
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that's what's next, right, fantasy Yeah, so if he chooses
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you have a breathe and you're there. Obviously right away
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: broke up with him and said, hey, I don't think
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: we're feeling each other. What do you do if you're
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in her situation? Um? Actually, I don't know that I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: would have gone to fantasy suits with him, just because
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: he was so torn and so unsure. And I never
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: want to feel like someone's unsure about me, and I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: never want to feel like I'm putting myself into a
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: situation where I'm like trying to convince someone to share
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: feelings for me. So I probably at that point would
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: have gone home myself. Yeah, when stuff gets real, Yeah,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, crazy stuff starts happening. Um.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I have one comment to make Breeze a savage like
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that like week or that night or whatever. In this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: episode with Luke going up and being like, yeah, this
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: isn't gonna work and then walking back and just standing
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: there coman the way she did it and then walk
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: back and stood there and confidely stared at him. I
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: was like, this girl has major confidence. And also like
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and everybody's laughing, Like I mean I'm laughing at home
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: because it's so yeah, very uncomfortable. Laugh Was it that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable in person? Oh, it's horrible, And like no one
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: really knew what Luke was going to do with his
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: rose anyways, and then it kind of it was kind
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of random that he picked three. We're all kind of like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: are you kidding? Like, first of all, Bree was in
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: this weird love China with that, and then he was like, anyways, Brie,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you wanna you wanna get out of here? I don't know. Um. Yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So it was very uncomfortable. I think Luke was just
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: kind of floundering around, and I guess he want wanted
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the fault with the supermodel as well. I didn't turn
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: out for him either. Super I mean, hey, Bree is
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a supermodel. I don't know what like her status is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: as a model, but we will not use supermodol because
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I've heard it so much. It's just stop yeah, okay,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: um yeah. So then Bree goes to the beach and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: again in the storyline with then she does the same
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: thing to Matt confidently asks him to go home Sydney.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: There's a few moments during this show when you know
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: one of the major questions we always get asked by listeners,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: uh and friends and fans, is is the show what
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it looks like on TV? And my my response is
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: always yes, it's it's obviously cut down and it's it's condensed.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, when I watch it back,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I at least when I'm on the season's I feel like,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you know, that's what happened. And when I've been there,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: there's a few moments when you're a contestant, uh, that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you're sitting there and something is happening, similar to the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Bree breaking up with Luke thing, and you go, this
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is what people pay big money to watch, and I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: have a front row seat, and it's awkward and it's weird,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: but I'm here. Is that how that felt? I mean,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: it's just like pure entertainment at its finest. Plus you're
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: just like exhausted and just been there forever, so you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you're just looking for things to entertain you. And I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: mean that was, even though really sad to watch, it
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: was pretty entertaining. You see a lot of them a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: couple that is not breaking up. And I want to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: move on to next is the Demi and Christian storyline,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So give a little background information. Uh, we're doing all
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: these little summaries because the episodes are winding down. Uh,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Demmi had a relationship with Derek, mentions that she's in
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: love with somebody um back home. Christian comes to the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: beach and romance flies. But they have their own issues
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and their own things to work through, just like any
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: couple does. And on this episode we really start to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: see all of it kind of coming to an head,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: like these really tough conversations are getting done. After seeing
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: them on the Beach Sydney, you know, I definitely understand
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: where Dimmi's coming from. I I can't relate because I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: have never had the confidence, um or the courage to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: do what she's done. But but I am not interested
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: in the same sex, so I can't relate with what
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: she did, But I can imagine a little bit. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: think we all can of how difficult it would be
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: to come out, especially on nationally TV. So there is
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: some worries on Demmy's part about p d A and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of what people are gonna think and how people are
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: gonna feel. What's your perspective on the whole thing after
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: watching them on the Beach Date for so long? Yeah,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing with Demi and Christian
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: is like, ultimately the show is about finding love and
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: trying to be your most authentic self while you do that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And I think with Demi finally deciding and realizing that
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Christian was that person for her, that she was being
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: true to herself finally, and she was there to make
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that connection happen and to really see it like through.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And I think Paradise is a perfect place to do that.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: You have so much time time on your hands. You're
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: not worrying about work, your phone, emails, anything, You're just
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: sitting there and you're literally working on your relationship. So
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: even though it's this huge platform and it's like a
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: difficult and very vulnerable thing to do, it's almost like
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: one of the best places its places to do it
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: because that's what your main focus is and you can
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: really hash things out. So then by the time you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: get into the real world where they're all these eyes
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: on you, you can kind of just be confident within
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: each other and just go forth and like hopefully have
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a successful relationship together. I also found it just refreshing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I mean, coming into this the beach,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: did you realize how much time you're gonna have to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: actually explore relationships. We see something that we never hurt
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: here in the real world, which is it's awkward sometimes
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to hear, but it's a statement. We had a really
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: great conversation. I think it happened this week. Somebody said,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: we had a really great conversation. Now I didn't know
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: if I'm going to propose to or not. It's like, wow,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like great conversation. But there's obviously these great conversations going
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: on for weeks and weeks and weeks, and you do
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: when you're here during this week of Paradise, you do
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: feel like you know these relationships well. And Christian and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Demi are starting to get to know each other really well.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Probably yeah, I think you're getting to the meet of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: your relationships. It's not like out in the world you
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: kind of do this like dating dance, where you're you
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: do the whole show and tell and you take them
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: on these fancy days and you like try to be
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: your best self. Where Paradise you're kind of like your
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: true self and that you have no option but to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: just like see if that works for you, if that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: person as themselves is what you want in your life.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And it kind of just like takes away all the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: fluff and you help. It helps you to figure out
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: like if this truly if this person is truly for you,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and if it's going to work outside of this the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: there's an interesting parallel um between Matt Donald and Christian.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And so Matt Donald had been on the show for
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: one night and then he shows up to Paradise and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it's all new to him, right, He's like, holy cow,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know this how this works. I don't know
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: how to date. And then you have Christian, who has
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: never been on the show before, who fell in love
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: with somebody on the show. And I think I would say,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: is kind enough who loves Demmy enough to say I'll
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: go to the beach for you, like I'll do this
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: because of our relationship and what what it will mean
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to you to be here without any experience. And she
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: dives right in like she's the one kind of coaching
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Demi how to be intimate. She's coaching Demi how to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: express feelings. She's also you know, she's so dove in
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that Demmi is even like you're flirting with everybody, Like
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: if you're too nice to everybody, did you feel that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: on the beach, there was there ever awkwardness with Christian
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: or she just a total like player, Like not players
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the worst word to use their like did she just
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: totally dive in and and soaking in. No, she was
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: simply there to be with Demi, and I think we
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: all kind of needed her energy on the beach, especially
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: at the end of things. She is the chilliest person ever,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and I think we all saw how she is able
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to ground Demi, where Demi is like this huge character
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and she's awesome and funny and hilarious, but like she
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: brings Demi down to earth in the best way. And
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I think that we all love seeing that. And Christian
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: is just like so easy to talk to you. And
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: she was also this like nice piece of reality that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we were all missing after being there for a month,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: So we all kind of welcomed her with like arms
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: wide open at that point. It's a storyline that I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see continue to play out. It is, Hey,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like this is game changing, like this
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: obviously like this, you know, we know watching this show,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: there's moments, you know. Last year was some of the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: religion talk and some of the God talk and then
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you know, then it became Hannah's you know her the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: sex talk this year, uh, this season, Like this is
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a moment that's bigger than the show, Um and Christian
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and Demmi, I feel like I have done. I'm watching
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it as I'm a fan, like I'm watching this fan,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I have no clue. As a fan I'm watching I'm
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: going they've communicated and prepped themselves for what's going to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: happen next, like once the show ends really well because
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of the time spent to get me in Paradise. Yeah,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think I agree. Yeah, I think that's what we
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: all knew. It's like this is bigger than all of us.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Even Derek said that that, like, not only are they
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: being true themselves in their relationship, but they're going to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: be able to show a true, like girl on girl
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: relationship that not a lot of people have seen, especially
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: watching the show. And I think it's refreshing and I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: think it's what like America and the world kind of
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: needs to see. And I think they're doing a beautiful
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: job of showing that and really working through their issues.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that after Paradise, they are going to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: have this strong unit that they can go out into
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the world and just be this like light and be
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: able to like show what a true relationship is, no
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: matter like whether that's man, woman, woman, woman anything, they're
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just like what we're all looking for. Ultimately, at the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: end of the day, love is the answer. Sydney, we
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: have a couple really successful couples to talk about outside
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of christian In Demi. Um. We're going to finish this
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: by saying, I'm just gonna mention and if you have
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: anything to add on these couples, please chime in, like
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: anything interesting that you think the listeners would love to hear. Um.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: But after the rose ceremony, Lucas goes home. Never happened before.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: We talked about it at the very beginning of Paradise.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: What would happen if somebody turned down the rose? Like
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: what goes on then? And what we found out was
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that the question that gets brought up, does anybody want
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to be with this dude? Yeah? No, going home? So
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Luke s is going home? Uh you? Hay and Hayley
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: both had the opportunity and rev All had the opportunity
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to accept his rose and just stick around. But at
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that point it's coming so close to me and you're
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: probably thinking there's no point, right, Yeah. No, if that
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was what any of us wanted to have um grown
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: something with, we would have done it already. So at
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that point and we're like why starting out, I don't know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: No one wants rose right, no, And it's like kind
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: of like, I wonder what happened if maybe you, for example,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't nowhere raise your hand, like, yeah, I'll take it. Whatever.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Why what was about Lucas where he didn't just didn't connect?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Why were you into this guy? He is really great
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: he I think he's one of those to start. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: think he's one of those conspiracy theorist people, and he
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: kind of came into Paradise with like these ideas of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: what it was and what like he's being portrayed as,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and like, I think he just needed to chill out
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I think he's a great guy, du down.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I just think he was I don't know, trying to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: fabricate this experience, especially at the end. It was a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: little tough for him too, because he couldn't start from
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like zero, He was kind of starting from like way behind.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And yeah, he just didn't do great in Paradise. Yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't his thing, even his like social media like
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: commentsing cap you know, just look, it's too much pull back,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: like a lot for you. You're good. Yeah, exactly. So
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Lucas goes home, Rev goes home. We don't see a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: lot of her. Um, she tries it, she gives it
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: her best shot, but it's just not for her. One
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of my favorite people who I do not get to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: talk to anymore, but who was on the season of
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor with me is Haley Ferguson. Um, Haley, you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I felt like I tried hard to find relationship. It
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: didn't work out for her. She kind of bounced around,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: not because she wanted to, just because it's kind of
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the cards that she was dealt. And then ultimately she
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: goes home. Haley just didn't. There just wasn't anybody there
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: for her, Like the JPJ saying, seemed like it could work,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and then there just wasn't anybody else. I was proud
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: of her though, because that was the first time she's
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: ever done the show without her twin, So it was
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like the first time her stepping out on like on
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: her own, and she gave it her all, and yeah,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: she just kind of came in too late, I think,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: but she gave it a good showing, Like I think
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: she she for doing it without her sister, who I think.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I do think that was a big deal for her.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I think she did really well. She was honest, she
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was vulnerable, Um, she tried and she pursued people. So
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, you say, Haley,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: good job, like you give it your best exactly. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: think that's what Paradise you have to do. It's like,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be there, be there and like
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: give it your all, talk to everyone, figure out what
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you want, figure out like what works for you, and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: if not, like you can at least leave knowing that
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you did everything that you could. Don't go there and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: just like get a cocktail and chill on the beach,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: because it's like, why are you there? Yeah, don't want
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: don't waste your time, No waste other people's time. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think she did any of that. So you're
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: taking up space and and you definitely didn't take up space.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: You had a great showing on Paradise. You were a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: blast to watch, not only because of the way you
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: handled really difficult situations, but because of your grace and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: your interests and your curiosity and the way you coached
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of people through some really difficult things happening. Uh, Sydney,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I give you an A plus your effort because that
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: feels like you you tried hard, you just did great
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Feels like you're playground and I hope we
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: can see you there again. We'll still be single, but
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: we'll see. That's a good point. Yeah, I'll see if
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I figured out. A couple other couples that stayed together
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: during the road cere Money but ended quickly after the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison comes in Um and talks about it being
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the last week of Paradise or the Paradise is ending
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in a sense, and he asked the couples to make
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the decision if they're gonna stay or if they're gonna go.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Chase and Angela decided to break it off. JPJ and
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Tasha surprisingly surprisingly break it off. Tasha is the one
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that pushes for it. Were you shocked? Um? That was
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: what that one was going to go either way for me? Um,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I think that I've never like I said this on
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the show, I've never seen her laugh like that. I've
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: never been seeing her so happy around someone as she
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: was around JPJ. So for me, as her friend, I
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: wanted her. I want her to be happy. But the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: thing with this experience is that it's it's like a
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: summer romance, and then you kind of have to get
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to the end of summer literally and you're like, Okay, now,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: what what is this going to look like in the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: real world? And I think she's been married before, she's
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: been burned before, she went to the end of Colton season,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and she wants to make sure that something that she
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is going to take outside of this and bring home
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: to her family again is going to be the exact
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: right thing and I just think at that moment, it
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: just wasn't fully there for her. I want to have
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a little side discussion. In every week Sydney, we ask
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: our listeners UM two questions to respond to on Twitter
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: or through email, and we try to read them all
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and kind of get their perspective and learn kind of
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: where we're at and what they're thinking. Here's the conversation
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: this week. It hit me after watching a montage of
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: JPJ and Tatia during the episode UM. First off, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: thought the montage was a little confusing. I didn't know
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: we were that invested in their story, like I like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: their story, but they were trying to pull a tear
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: out of my eye and I was, I mean, this
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: is great, but like, yeah, I'm not feeling it anyways.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that with Paradise, you have this
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: whole time to get to know each other, and it
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: is it feels like a long time when you're there
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: from everything I hear, and you do get to invest
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: in your relationship, and then there's this time limit. There's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: this decision point where you say, we have to define
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: our relationship and take a step in some way. We
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: can't drag this out, we can't just continue like it is.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: We have to say we're into this for the long
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: term or we're gonna end it now. So before we
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: get into what it's like on Paradise, I want to
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: ask you and our listeners, what do you think it
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: would be like if we did that in the real
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: world when it came to dating, Like what if we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: set a time limit on like date one, where we're like, Okay,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know where this is gonna go this, I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: don't even know your name yet, but in one month,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: if we're still talking, we have to define the relationship
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: like that. You think that's a good idea. I think so.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I think the problem with dating these days it's just
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: so like murky, and no one really knows what's going on.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Like half the time you're you can talk to a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: guy for months at a time and you barely even
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: know his last name. Like it's just like weird. It's
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a weird time to be dating. And I think that
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: as much as we can get rid of all the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: fluff and just be like, Okay, is this this is
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: what I want? Is this what you want? I think
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it's great. I think that it's hard to do that
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: because that scares people away, and in this experience, you're
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: signing up to do that. So I mean, I would
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: find that refreshing. I'm just not sure how we would
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: implicate that, But let's let's sporkshop some ideas. Yeah, so
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: please email us at but actually I hurt media dot
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: com or uh talk to us on Twitter and hashtag
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: almost in his podcast here's something interesting, uh. A couple
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, we started an experiment where we asked
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: people what makes love work Sydney. So myself and a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: couple others started asking older couples, couples have been together
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: for a while, new couples, people that are seeing goal, Hey,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: what do you think love works? And the main answer
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: was it's a choice, meaning, Hey, you fall for somebody,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you respect, somebody, you appreciate, somebody, you have all those
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: things that you say, I like the person you are.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: But ultimately, after fifty years, twenty years, ten years, a month,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: there is a moment where you start to wake up
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: next to that person, if you're married or if you're not,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: whatever you choose to do, you start to look at
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: that person at some point in the day and you
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: have to say, I choose to love you. So the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: idea in this that you have to make a choice,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a decision to move forward or to not to choose
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that person or not. It feels like we're close to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: being really healthy. And this is why I say this
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: all Sidney. As I watch this week's episode and all
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Chris Harrison comes in, he says, hey,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it's over. You gotta make a choice. And my first
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: reaction was like, oh, that's so weird, Like this feels awkward,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Like why are we putting Like why all of a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: sudden people need to figure out if they're gonna get
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: engaged or not, or move forward or not. And then
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I started thinking about it, and I'm like, I actually
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: think it is healthy. I think just yeah, we all
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: were all there for that, and I mean it just
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: why waste anyone's time. I think you've had enough time
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: to figure out the core of everyone. You spend a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: lot of time with them, and it's like, yeah, let's
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: not beat around the bush. We're leaving here. And because
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the problem is it's hard out in the real world.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I would assume with these relationships that they're like fun
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and great when you're in the bubble of Bachelor Nation,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: but when you're out in the world, you're going to
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: deal with a lot of issues and like working on
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of different factors. So I think that it
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: helps solidify you if that's what you're gonna do, or
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: it helps to like let you not have to do
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that once when if you make the decision to leave separately.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So I think it's it's good. One thing, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I've I've had been in a relationship outside of the
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: show with somebody from the show before, you know, after
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: my season at Bachelor, and one of the things that
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: really feels good. It really is healthy, and I still
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: will seek This is when somebody looks across the table
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: from you and says, I choose you, Like when you're
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: on this show and they're saying I choose us you.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: That feels good, right, it's comforting, but you don't know
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: what happened, Like when you get off the show. It
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: is a whole new beast. And I think there is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a make or break moments where you do know if
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you're right for each other or not. I think if
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you decide to continue to say I choose you, it
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: can work. But whenever the seed of doubt starts to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: slip in, of oh is there other things out there?
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Oh is there other opportunities out there? Oh, there's so
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: much attention on me. My Instagram is blowing up, like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: people are calling me all this stuff. Then all of
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a sudden, the boise starts to slip in and you
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: start to forget the choice that you made on the show.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so important in this moment,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: this week of paradise, for these couples to sit down
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and say I choose you, no matter what happens, because
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be easy exactly. I think that's why
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the engagement is the goal at the end, because it's
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: like a literal representation that you're choosing someone and you.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: It's a reminder of those choices that you make every
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: time you look down at your hand and you're like, oh,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I said those things and I agreed to this. And
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I think the more that you can have that solid
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: like contract with each other, the better you are going forward. Sydney,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You're are preaching well today. Um hey, let's take a break, Sydney.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: We have a couple of really successful couples to talk about.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I think we covered all the couples that ended up
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: deciding after the Rose ceremony to to split up. I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: think we have Matt and Bree split up, Chase and
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Angel obviously split up. We have JPJ and Tasia to
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: split up. But we still need to talk Dylan and Hannah,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: claimed Nicole and Chris and Katie. But before we do that,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: let's take one break. We'll come back soon. Okay, we've
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: talked about the breakups, We've talked about the awkwardness. We've
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: had a great time with Sydney. She's been terrifically one
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: round of applause, like three fortunate podcast because then he's
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: killing it today. She's been awesome for us. Uh city,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Let's have a little fun and talk about the love
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing on Paradise. We'll start with the one
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: couple that was the shakiest, I think, Chris and Katie.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Chris and Katie seemed to be struggling. Katie's had her
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: own moments of like, we haven't always been able to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: read Katie this season, she's had moments where it's like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: are you drunk or are you confused? But she's always
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: been interested in Chris ever since their love kind of blossom. Yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and she's been a great supporter to him. Can you
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: break down the relationship? Yeah, So I think the biggest
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: issue that those two are having is the fact that
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Chris has been on like a bajillion seasons and he's
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: gone from being like the villain, the guy that gets
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: almost engaged or I don't even remember, but like all
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: he's gone through all the steps. Also, he was there
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: when the show originated, which I don't think. I think
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: it's when it was a little more savage. So like,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's gone through the gamut with this show
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: and he has a little bit of trust issues, which
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I think anyone would. So I think that he has
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: very strong feelings for Katie, but I think he's also
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: scared to show those feelings and fear that something's gonna
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: blow up in his face again. UM. And I think
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Katie is just the type of person that's very considerate
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: and like cares very deeply, and it's like kind of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: helping him through that. But I think in what's happening
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: is she's not getting a lot back from him right now,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and it's hard for them to kind of meet in
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: the middle. So they've made little steps forward. I think
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: they're just moving kind of slowly together. When you're on
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the beach, how aware are you of these like where
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: each couple are at? UM. I feel like I was
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: very aware because I had a lot of time just
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: like hanging out on my own. I was like front
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: row seat watching all the love happened, which was like great.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like refreshing to see UM. So I
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: think I saw a lot of it, so I was
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: pretty aware of a lot of the things. I also
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: was like friendly with all the guys and all the girls,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: so I talked to a lot of the people, so
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I had kind of like a good idea of where
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: everyone was at, which is kind of why I think
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I was like the narrator for most season. But yeah,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I Katie and Chris, I was like rooting for them,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: but I think they were they had a lot of
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: conversations that they still needed to have, especially at this point.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: The watching this week's episode, there is a lot of
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the time where I was like telling, like wanting to
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: tell Chris just talk like you're you're you know what
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you want to say, You're not saying it, and you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: like I almost felt like there was a moment where
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: when he was like dragging this breakup out or whatever
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: he was doing, she was going to be like, but
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I love you and I want to be with you forever,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like you never could get to have
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: place of like any clarity. And I gotta give Katie
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: credit because when we just talked a second ago about
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: sitting with about like choosing somebody, even through like their
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: their difficulties, even through their confusing moments, what Katie did
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in that moment was one of the most compelling scenes
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in this franchise because she said, Chris,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I know what you're doing, but I care about you
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and I know you care about me. I know you're difficult,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: like I know you have issues, but I want to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: be with you through those. That was really cool. That
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: was like a real life conversation that we got to witness.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: It was I think Katie made that choice back when
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Chris decided to choose her, so she got her validation.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: She was like, great, this is this is it for me.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to push this forward. And then Chris, I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: think was on that same page, but he was doing
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the thing where he was like, no, let me just
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: sabotage this maybe and like almost testing her in a way.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm really happy that she kind of like dug
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: her feed in and really like got what she needed
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: out of him, even though it was like a terrible answer,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like she's hit, but she I think she was just
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: like going with her gut and knew the man he
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: was and knew like that deep down that they were
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: right for each other. She was just kind of like
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: giving him a little grace in that moment. Yeah, she
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: did a great job, and I mean she she can
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: tell she cares about him, and it's good to see
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: them moving forward. Together because I think they're one of
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: those couples that don't quite have it all figured out.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: But it feels like it's moving in a good direction
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and there's gonna be big like hurdles in their way
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: as they try to move forward. Yeah, I think they're
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: working through a lot of the things that they need
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to work through, so them when they're outside of this,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: they're going to be in a better place. I don't
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: know how you could have an argument with Katie, though
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in her eyes, I would be done. I think that's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: funny why he didn't make any sense. He was at
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the ocean was a lot less intimidating. Um, we're kind
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: of go in order here. They had a lot to
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: figure out. Clay and the coal kind of have. It
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: feels like they're right on edge. Said, I really don't
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: know how to read their relationship, and I need your
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: help for it. They've they've been good, then they've kind
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: of gone back and forth, and now it feels like
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: they're good ish. Yeah. Good ish is a great way
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to describe what's happening right now. Um. I think they
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: were like solid from the beginning, and I was very
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: much on their team. I'm always like friends I'm obviously
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: friends with the Coal, but I was good friends with
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Clay too, and I just love them together. I was
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: like their child, I felt like, so I was rooting
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: for them. I think what happened was Clay gone in
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: his head once Angela walked down that beach and it
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: kind of just like blew everything up for him. I
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: think that was the last thing he expected to happen,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and he didn't really know how to deal with it,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: and he was trying to like maneuver this weird, weird
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: world that he was just thrust into. And I think
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: that's why he's so in his head. It's hard for
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: someone just to like jump in head first when they
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: know they have all these like all this baggage that
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: they're carrying now literally right in front of them. So yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a little made it the whole time, like they're one
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: of what because I can't remember Chris and Katie day
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: one couple, they're like, oh, they were like a week
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: or two in, I think, but they were pretty early. Um.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: But Clay and Nicole, I think they were like that
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: was the first date that Clay had. It was like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the second day there, I feel like, and they were
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: pretty rock solid from there on out. Yeah, I feel
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: like they have been saw this. I want them to work. Um.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I like the way they treat each other. I know,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a're so cute and they're just like goofy and he's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: like this huge teddy bear and she's just like sassy,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: fiery latinas. I don't know, I like it together. It works.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I just I don't have as a fan right now.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I'm watching it and I feel like they're the one couple.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I just don't see it
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: right now. We'll see, we'll see rooting for him though, exactly. Okay, finally, Um,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the King and Queen of Paradise, the couple that's been
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: together since the beginning. You don't see a lot of
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: them anymore because I feel like they're just either in
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: the boom boom room as we saw once, or they're
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: eating Exactly, there's a whole day we were like, where
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: the heck are Hannah and Dylan. They were I'm pretty
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: sure they're in the boom romer all days. Good for that. Yeah, Um,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Hannah g and Dylan have found love in Paradise. We
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: saw it this week on the One on one. Um,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: they're so happy. Uh, they're they It feels like there's
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: not a lot to see because they're just good, and
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: it feels like they need to get out of paradise
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: now to move the relationship forward. Tell us Sydney, from
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: your perspective, what that relationship has been like. It was
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: rough at the beginning. We saw that part, but as
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: you in the seat that you sat in, like, what
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: was it like to watch this? I mean from an
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, all of us are like, it's obviously Dylan.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: He's in love with you. He's been patient with you
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: as you've been going from like a couple of different
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: guys and dealing with all of Blake's bus At the time,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: we were all like, it is Dylan just picked Dylan,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: but she was so torn, so it's hard for us
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: watching it. We're like, he's obviously the choice for you,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm glad that she eventually got there. But we're
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of us were team Dylan as far as
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: him choosing or Channa choosing him. Yeah, and then once
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: she did, I mean, it was kind of game over, right.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Did you feel the switch? What kind of in Let's
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: get me It's the theme of the podcast, But when
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: she said, Okay, I know there's gonna be other people
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: coming down the stairs. Some of them might even be
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: intriguing at some level, but Dylan, I and I think
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: she might even said these words, I'm choosing you, like
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm investing into you. Could you tangibly
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: feel the switch? And I think that one Rose ceremony
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: when she didn't choose Blake and she chose Dylan was
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: when the switch happened. And that's all Dylan needed needed
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to like literally run for the hills and go straight
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to like basically wanting to marry her um. And I
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: think at some point in paradise you have to kind
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of choose, Like you decide there's people coming in. You
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: know that's going to happen, but like you can't just
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: get distracted. You kind of have to work on whatever
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: relationship that you have if you want to get to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: where they got in the end, where it was an
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: engaged or hopefully that they got where they're at right
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: now and hopefully get to an engagement. But yeah, it
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: was just that one switch that they needed and they
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: were kind of like set from there on out, and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: none of us how to worry about them anymore. You
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: brought up something that I think is interesting, the boom
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: boom room. So you know, a lot of people have
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: different ideas and different feelings on sex and physical intimacy,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and then you know, you add in cameras and millions
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: of people watching, and it enhances those feelings a little
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: bit in some way. At what point, because I think
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: everybody goes in saying, you know, I have some you know,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: type of things I want people to see a Nazi
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, et cetera, like some privacy. I know
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: from my own experience, at some point that all goes
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: out the window, like it flies fast away and you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: forget everything and you just don't care. In paradise, when
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: does that happen? Um pretty quickly. In Paradise, you're there
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: all day long with each other and you kind of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: just stopped caring. I mean you're there sweating with each other,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: eating at each other, talking about left and right like
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: all kinds of nonsense. So you're just kind of like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: whatever at this point, like I'm here, I signed up
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: for it. I'll deal with whatever I'm portrayed as afterwards,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: and you kind of just learn to live in the moment.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I think, and I think, Yeah, that's why people aren't
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: afraid to go to the booming room. I mean, you're
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: in the you to the moment. Why I like, stop there?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I mean I can think of one reason. Your mom my, mom. Yeah,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine if Matt Donald somehow, some
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: way made the choice, like how his anxiety in waymental
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: rightdown for sure, which is probably why I wouldn't have gone,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: so so sad would be it would be the worst, funniest,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: worst seen ever. Thanks. And then we've talked about Demi
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: and Christian and their relationship flourishing and moving forward in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: a really good direction. Heyson, you have one more second here.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: We always like to read user emails when we get time,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and I have two or three I just want to
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: throw at you. Let's do it. So there's a question
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: now from Valerie who set up PROMP for JPJ, and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Tasha says, so JPJ set up promptasa. I know they're
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: in paradise and can't go to the store to purchase things.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: If someone sets up something like that, do you get
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a producer to help? Um? Yeah, I think it's like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: an art department thing where you you come up with
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: your idea, you can talk to your producer and then
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: they can kind of get the ball rolling. I mean,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I would love to go to like party City and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: pick up my own stuff to leave the beach, but
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: we're not allowed to, so you kind of have to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: have people set it up for you, the exit process
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: from Lexi, So I'm sitting here watching Patch in Paradise,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Alexi says, I can find myself each week wondering who
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: the heck packs the bag for contestants When some of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: these paradise unexpectedly, they are always seen getting straight into
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the limo. So how do they get their bags? Pack
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: these drive circles around and then let the contestants come
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: back and pack. I wish. No, there's these sweet handlers
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that are with us through the whole process too, kind
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of like our little moms, and they pack your bags
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: for you know, you hope your stuff ends up in
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: those bags. Um. I can say from when I left
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Colton season, I lost a lot of stuff. Yeah, I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: was not planning on leaving, but you know, you gotta
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. You gotta do what you got. Yeah,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: it's true, though, I mean I guess for me, I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: never got to fully experience that on the bachelort because
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: it was I was in Ireland for another couple of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: days after I got s at home. But you do
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: travel the world with like one bag, and you have
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of people holding onto a lot of different
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: things of your and you just hope at some point
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: after like two months, that it shows back up, but
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: you don't know where. You have no idea, And Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you this is actually a credit to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: the show. I lost a lot of things during the show,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and afterwards they found each and everyone that I did
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: get like a jacket and like a couple of things back,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and I remember texting and like this stress is here,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: this thing is here. So they work with you. But
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are all of us are living in
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: one room with big suitcases, suitcases and all of our stuff.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: It's kind of everywhere, so you end up losing stuff.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: But I mean, it is what it is, which makes
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: me think maybe this show like secretly like takes something
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: just to freak you out a bit and then at
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: some point sends it back. I mean, definitely heightens the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: drama when you're living out of a suitcase. Definitely heightened
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the drama. Of course, it does um, alright, final question
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  Speaker 1: here for you, Sydney. Yes, this is a cool one.
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  Speaker 1: Jojo and Jordan's from Monica. Monica says, have we all
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  Speaker 1: Have you all discussed the fact that Jordan reproposed to
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  Speaker 1: Joe Jo Does this mean their first proposal proposal was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: more like, hey, will you be my girlfriend? Rather than
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: will you be my wife? He even gave her a
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  Speaker 1: different ring. What are your thoughts on this, Sydney. I'll
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: let you start and I'll finish. I think that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you grow in relationships, and I feel like they were
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  Speaker 1: in a good place when they got engaged and they
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: were ready to start their lives together. But now they
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: have a completely new life together. And I think that's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Jordan and JoJo's way of saying, like, I still choose
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  Speaker 1: you again, and I even know our lives are different,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: and this is where we're at, Like, I still choose
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  Speaker 1: you at the end of the day, and I want
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: to keep doing that. And I think that's like an
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  Speaker 1: affirmation that everyone kind of wants in a relationship, and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing that he did. I agree. I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: think it's awesome. I think after a few years of
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: figuring it out of knowing that they're still the one
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: getting busy. Like we said, tons of pressure getting thrown
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: on you. There's a lot of activity around you in noise.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I think the noise, no matter what it's, it's probably
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: almost impossible to block out all the noise. And so
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: even if you let the noise get in a little
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: bit and your relationship kind of separates or whatever, when
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: you can come back together and say I know I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: still choose you, I think it matters. It's like, in
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: my eyes, it was like renewing the vows exactly. You know,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: it's like renewing the proposal. It's freshening it up. It's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: making it real again, because after a few years it
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: could feel distant and it was more than this time too,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: or like she has a ring that he picked out
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: that wasn't like he chose from four He went to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: the store and decided like what was her and like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: what was them? And I think that's just like a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: better way to solidify. Like they are together and they
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: love each other fully, and yeah, love winds Um super
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: pumped for them. I hope and wish them the best.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: They're both great and obviously I think Jojo is amazing
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know Jordan is a stud, so good
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: for them. Alright, Sydney. Final two thoughts in the episode.
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  Speaker 1: There's a big episode, a lot to talk about. I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: really do all of our listeners and all of us here.
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  Speaker 1: I heart really appreciate you stepping in and co hosting today.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It's been fun to kind of bring in contestants to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: co host with us because your insight is a lot
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: better than ours could ever be. But you've been awesome,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: So thank you, Sidney. Um, before you leave, there's two
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: storylines that didn't really fit into the mold of what
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: we were talking about, but we have to discuss them.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: One is a sad one. Um, I guess both have
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: sad pieces, but one ends and happy ending. Blake and Christina?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a real thing? Was he just looking to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: fix his time? Like? What was that? Oh? I mean,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. My opinion on that was that if
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Blake really felt that way about Christina, he should have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: done that from day one and not come in and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: be like I'm for Hannah, I'm Batisha, I'm over here
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: like he just if I'm Christina, I would be like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: why now, Like after all of this, after all this mess,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: we're at the end, like it's like too little, too late,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly how she felt. And even
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: if it was genuine for like, I don't really know um.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like he was just kind of scrambling at
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: the end and it wasn't fully like there um and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it was unfortunate. Yeah, it was just hard to track. Again,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: it was one of those storylines. And I think it's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: the theme Sydney. I think you all did a great job.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I think it was a theme of this paradise that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: it was hard for us watching or viewers to understand
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: these relationships because I felt like there was so much
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: bouncing around in conflict and confusing things that it was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: hard to track exactly what was happening at every moment.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it felt more overwhelming to me this season.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And I've talked to a bunch of other people that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: are very sold out on watching Bachelor in Paradise and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: they kind of agree, like it's hard to track right
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: now exactly. Well, I will say, specifically for Christina and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Blake that was felt the same way me watching it.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Being there, I was like, huh, you're for You're doing
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: what now? So that one wasn't even showed for us.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of the other relationships, you
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: didn't get to see them. But Blake and Christina weren't
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: really doing anything besides giving each other friendship roses, and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Blake was like, Oh, it's Christine,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with her. I don't know. It was weird.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Um so that one was panned out. Yea, so maybe
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: it just like what's exactly what happened on the show.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: The next one is Connor and Calin have a romance
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that blossomed after Dean left Paradise. Again. We talked about
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Dean earlier. He's compelling, he's great, he's a friend of mine,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: so I speak highly of him. Um so I'm biased.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: But then he does a typical Dean move and he
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: leaves and then he comes back, which is not a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: typical Dean move, which shows how much he cares. She's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: in a relationship with Connor at the time, they seem
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: to be doing well. But you all knew. We all
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: knew at least watching Hey, she's gonna go back with Dean.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Did you know she was going back with Dean? Question.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I had a strong feeling that she was going to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: go back with Dean. I think Connor is great, and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: she was waiting to meet him towards the beginning. But
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I think all of her feelings that she had for
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Dean we're just kind of thrown on the Connor. So
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: that's why it kind of escalated really quickly. But it
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't fully. I think she was just like masking how
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: she was upset about Dean leaving and Connor was unfortunately
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: like took the front of that. Um. Yeah, I knew
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: deep down she was going to choose Dean. It's hary
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: not to choose Dean, I know. I mean he's great.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Even though he's like a hot mass, he at least
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: owns his hot messory. Yeah, he's like a he's like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: a beautiful He's like a beautiful cockroach. You know, like
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you want to hate him. You don't want to like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: him at all, Like everything, like like a lot of
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: things he does, you're like nobody would be okay with this,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: And then you look at him and you're like, gosh,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: dang it, Like yeah he's not that bad. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: not that bad. But it works out in the end.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Whitney shows up the beach, finds out Connor isn't there,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: and she goes back to the Vedanta in Porto Villarta
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: to find Connor and it feels like, yeah, it's gonna work.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Like it feels like it was the right thing, and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: it all worked out in the end, two super hot
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: people just finding each other. And I think that was peopleful.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Who's people? I mean that when Connor takes off his shirt,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I feel all sorts of weird and he's like, no,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: no fount on his body. It's insane. And he's like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: six six. So my excuses, my excuse, My whole life
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: has been Hey, I work out a lot, I'm in shape,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm not gonna take off my shirt
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna like, holy cal like that guy is ripped.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Like you're never gonna say that about me. But I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: feel good about who I am, Like I feel good
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: about it. I've had moments like college was a little
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: bit worse than now. Um, but my excuses. I'm not
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: ripped because I'm six four, Like I'm tall, so like
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get the big muscles like
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: that happens to small guys, and like that's the thing
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: they got going for him, And like I can't get
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: the six pack because I don't have that body type.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And then I see dorks like Connor,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: dorks in a good way, like I like Connor of men,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: but I get really jealous because that dude. I mean,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: it's just he's got netics right, Like you can't even
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: balt You're like, dude, Mom, I know I do to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: go back in the wom and figure it out. Gosh,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: dang it. Yeah, Well, two beautiful people find each other
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: on the beach and love blossoms. Hey, that's been a podcast.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Any I think we're done. I'm at a breath. I'm tired.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: That was a lot. Are you tired anything? I wanna
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: talk about anything? You want to promote? Uh? You want
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: to find friends in l A. You've moved to l A.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: If anybody's listening and has any opportunities for commercials, acting,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: modeling for Sydney and land me to dance at your wedding.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't you do that any time in Paradise. I'm
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: here for all of it. So yeah, Hey, Sydney, you've
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: been the best taco. We appreciate you. Um Hey, we
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: said this every week. Just follow my lead. Trust me
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: on this. I've been been. I'm sorry. What all right?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Repeat after me, but use your name in place of mind. Okay,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I've been then, I've been Sydney and we'll talk to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you soon. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous
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