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#561 War Memory Meets Modern Power · The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast

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  SPEAKER_08: So very happy to see everyone and thank you so much for joining in on today, Thursday, October the 15th, 2026.
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  SPEAKER_08: And it is crazy out there, but it has been for quite a long time.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I am um I have a couple of things that I want to cover with you today.
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  SPEAKER_08: And uh, we're just gonna get into it.
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  SPEAKER_08: Some things that I thought of note and some things that were interesting.
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  SPEAKER_08: So, one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about to start, and actually, before I get into that, what I wanted to say is also welcome to our listeners on uh worldwide Christian radio.
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  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh, one thing that I wanted to check in with here today that I thought was really interesting.
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  SPEAKER_08: And this is something that we have talked about on Fool Me Twice.
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  SPEAKER_08: It's something that I have been interested in and have been studying and trying to learn more because I consider it such a fundamental and cornerstone event in American and world history, and not only for the many operations that were carried out during this conflict, but as well as the tragic loss of American life, the tragic loss of Vietnamese life, and uh particularly the fact that most of the those that suffered were civilians, women and children and older people.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, so it was one of our greatest tragedies, something that we never should have been involved in.
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  SPEAKER_08: And of course, the guise for that was the domino theory of communism.
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  SPEAKER_08: I have a lot of questions, and I'm certainly not an expert, but this is something that I feel very strongly about was actually done for other means.
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  SPEAKER_08: And that is the Vietnam War.
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  SPEAKER_08: So this is something that to this day is still coming up, and not only for the precedent that was set and the uh what we can learn from history and all of the other things that came out of that, such as the secret war, such as the golden triangle, such as Laos being never talked about really in most spaces that I listened to at least.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, and it was the most bombed country.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, why would that be?
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  SPEAKER_08: Laos was not involved in the Vietnam conflict.
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  SPEAKER_08: This was about communism, was it not?
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  SPEAKER_08: So, um, and of course, there's a lot more to that story, and there's a lot more for me to learn as well.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I know that the Hmong population that was living in Laos was of assistance to the United States during that time.
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  SPEAKER_08: So there's a lot of fallout for the Hmong people.
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  SPEAKER_08: But to this day, in Laos, it is still littered with bombs that never detonated, and it still kills and maims uh people and uh more tragically, even still, children.
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  SPEAKER_08: So to think that these types of events are not relevant to today is simply not true.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, so that's something that I want to continue to talk about, continue to learn about, and bring awareness back to this issue.
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  SPEAKER_08: Because if you are in a traditional school setting, then in the public school, then this is not really an in-depth education that you're gonna get.
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  SPEAKER_08: So it has to be up to us to continue to educate ourselves on these things that we find important and that we feel we need to know more about.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, so the story that I have today in regards to that is I originally saw this link on antiwar.com and it links to an AP article.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, normally I try to take these things with a grain of salt, if it's coming from Reuters or AP or um some of these other news outlets, and not that I don't believe there's any truth there, but I just try to be discerning when I'm reading something from that particular outlet or any outlet really.
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  SPEAKER_08: So this says that Vietnam buries the remains of 731 war dead, nearly six decades after the Tet Offensive.
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  SPEAKER_08: And of course, if you're familiar with Vietnam, then you'll know that the Tet Offensive was a huge victory for the North Vietnamese, and it was considered really a morale breaker.
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  SPEAKER_08: It solidified the unpopularity of the war, and it was kind of uh downhill from there.
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  SPEAKER_08: The the war did not end immediately after this happened, but it was a significant piece of one of those battles that is often uh discussed in retrospect.
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  SPEAKER_08: So let me just give a little bit of the um the information here.
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  SPEAKER_08: So this was out of Hanoi, Vietnam.
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  SPEAKER_08: Thousands carrying white flowers lined the roads in Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh City Wednesday as the remains of 731 people buried, um bel excuse me, 731 people believed to have been killed during the 1968 Tet Offensive, and they were taken for burial nearly six decades after their deaths.
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  SPEAKER_08: Vietnamese Prime Minister Li Min Hung attended the memorial service at Li Tai Rang Park, and I apologize for my pronunciations, I'm sure that they're not um as good as they could be, but uh, where the remains were recovered from mass graves after over three months of excavations.
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  SPEAKER_08: They were also laid to rest at Ho Chi Minh City's Martyrs Cemetery in the city previously known as Saigon.
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  SPEAKER_08: Generations of Vietnam have spent decades searching for loved ones who never returned from war, hoping to recover their remains, give them a proper burial, and finally find some measure of closure.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I believe that, of course, this is important.
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  SPEAKER_08: This is a very human desire.
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  SPEAKER_08: If you were in a the horrible situation of having a loved one lost and you didn't know what happened to them, and even if they were deceased, it is a very human desire for us to want to find them and give them a proper burial and to lay them to rest in a way that dignifies the life that they lived.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I find this to be very poignant, poignant, and um meaningful after all this time.
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  SPEAKER_08: And of course, this still applies to American soldiers as well.
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  SPEAKER_08: This was one of the issues that we had with prisoners of war or missing in action.
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  SPEAKER_08: So we know that there were um Americans that also were not able to have the proper burial that their families would like to give them, which is a tragedy in and of itself.
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  SPEAKER_08: So here is a photo.
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  SPEAKER_08: Oh, it's wanting me to sign up.
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  SPEAKER_08: A photo from that event.
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  SPEAKER_08: And honestly, the photos that we get from Vietnam are very um, they're moving, they're powerful, they are very upsetting and they're sad.
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  SPEAKER_08: And they honestly they look a lot like some of the things that you might see taking place in Gaza today, and uh just so much tragedy there.
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  SPEAKER_08: So the photo was South Vietnamese troops tend to wounded people as bodies line a street during the Tet offensive in Saigon, and this is early 1968, and the war would not officially be over until about 1975.
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  SPEAKER_08: So that's still many more years that things were kind of lingering.
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  SPEAKER_08: But this was really one of the things that's noted as the decline of whenever it became very obvious that it needed to end.
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  SPEAKER_08: The Tet offensive began on January 31st, 1968, when North Vietnamese communist forces launched coordinated surprise attacks across South Vietnam during the lunar New Year holiday known in Vietnam as Tet.
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  SPEAKER_08: One of the largest campaigns of the Vietnam War, it sparked fierce fighting and heavy casualties, including the southern capital of Saigon, where communist fighters attacked the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_08: Embassy, military installations, and government buildings.
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  SPEAKER_08: Although the communist forces suffered a military defeat, the offensive shocked Washington, undermined U.S.
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  SPEAKER_08: public support for the war, and became a turning point in the conflict.
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  SPEAKER_08: The resultant conflict has changed the pattern of war, the Associated Press reported in February of 1968.
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  SPEAKER_08: The South Vietnamese government collected the bodies of communist fighters and civilians and buried them in mass graves during and after the fighting, according to Vietnamese government news.
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  SPEAKER_08: The remains at Li Tai Rang Park, which was previously the site of Dotan Cemetery, were discovered during excavations that began on January or excuse me, June 23rd at the park.
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  SPEAKER_08: Over weeks, excavators painstakingly unearthed bones and fragments along with weapons, ammunition, military hammocks, and personal belongings, said the Vietnamese government's official news portal.
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  SPEAKER_08: They discovered a wallet containing a faded military document bearing the name of Hun Van Quen, which helped authorities identify one of the dead as a soldier from the first Long On Battalion, a communist unit that fought a fierce seven-day battle at Saigon's Y-shaped bridge.
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  SPEAKER_08: Among the mourners was Vo Hoi Tin 70, who remembered watching bodies being buried there when he was 12.
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  SPEAKER_08: The memory of that burial pit has stayed with me, he told Vietnamese state media.
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  SPEAKER_08: So again, I just felt like this was um interesting from a news perspective because, as I said, I have been uh looking into this and trying to learn more about it over the last many months, but also because as I say, this is something that still is important to us to this day, in my opinion.
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  SPEAKER_08: There's so much there.
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  SPEAKER_08: The other thing that I wanted to point out is that for a lot of the Vietnamese people, now it was described as a checkerboard by William James Gibson, who wrote the book Perfect War, uh, Techno War, or excuse me, the perfect war, techno war in Vietnam.
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  SPEAKER_08: He described Vietnam as a checkerboard leading up to the Geneva Convention, which would then cut Vietnam or have it at the 17th parallel into North and South Vietnam.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, there was supposed to be a vote that happened after that that would allow the country itself to decide where the delineation should be.
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  SPEAKER_08: And that ended up not happening.
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  SPEAKER_08: And then, of course, we get the um the war with the United States that was an extremely long conflict.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, but what I wanted to say about that was as far as the checkerboard goes, there was so many types of people in Vietnam.
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  SPEAKER_08: So this wasn't just one unified, oh, we're all communists or we're all communists, and we're all half of us are, and then half of us are, you know, pro-America.
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  SPEAKER_08: It wasn't that, it was not like that.
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  SPEAKER_08: So you had people, uh, there was a huge Catholic influence from when the French in before leading into the Vietnam conflict, they had been the colonizers there.
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  SPEAKER_08: And so um originally that started with the Jesuit Catholics from France who had gone there.
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  SPEAKER_08: And so there was a quite a large amount of Catholics there.
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  SPEAKER_08: There were also people that were known as the Montagnards, and they were kind of um an indigenous people that were uh travelers.
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  SPEAKER_08: And then, of course, you had the people that were aligning with the communists, then the people that were aligning with the Americans.
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  SPEAKER_08: But the point is that this wasn't just some unified area.
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  SPEAKER_08: This was a manufactured uh delineation between North and South Vietnam.
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  SPEAKER_08: But what I was also gonna say to that point is that to the people that had these Buddhist and Confucianist, and I may not have said that correctly, but these Confucianism roots, their family and ancestral land was very important to them.
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  SPEAKER_08: And part of that was being able to bury their ancestors on the land that they lived.
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  SPEAKER_08: So that's the connection that I wanted to make to this particular article is that a lot of these people had religious beliefs and they were very much separated from that by the war when they were um, you know, moved out of their homes, kicked out of their homes, their homes were war-torn.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um, the ancestral land piece was very important to a lot of the Vietnamese.
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  SPEAKER_08: And um, just to add to the level of tragedy that it is for them to not be able to know where their loved ones are.
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  SPEAKER_08: And of course, that applies to us Americans as well.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I do want to go uh to the chat really quick.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I have Kenny Powers, my buddy.
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  SPEAKER_08: He is in the chat and he said, quote, you mean the war in Vietnam, the war in Vietnam?
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  SPEAKER_08: What's your name, man?
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  SPEAKER_08: You said it all.
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  SPEAKER_08: And that was from Forrest Gump.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, interestingly enough, Forrest Gump, a lot of us, if you were around during that time to watch Forrest Gump, it was, you know, it was a moving movie.
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  SPEAKER_08: And we saw this um man that appeared to be have uh a low IQ being sent to Vietnam and all these adventures that he was able to go through and survive and overcome and come out better for that.
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  SPEAKER_08: But the precedent for Forrest Gump was actually set with what is referred to as McNamara's Folly.
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  SPEAKER_08: And McNamara's Folly is when General McNamara had the idea and the initiative to change the uh physical and uh cognitive requirements for people that met the draft.
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  SPEAKER_08: And that was known as Operation 100,000.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, to me, that is one of so many hundreds or thousands of things that are absolutely disgusting and predatory about that war, that people who were being drafted, they literally lowered the requirements so they could draft more people, more vulnerable people into the war, into the meat grinder.
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  SPEAKER_08: And this is one of the things that's really upsetting.
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  SPEAKER_08: And, you know, we don't have Credence Clearwater Revival's famous quote Um, I ain't a senator's son.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm not the fortunate one, right?
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  SPEAKER_08: So that goes to talk about the disparity and who actually paid the price.
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  SPEAKER_08: And it wasn't the senator's son, it was not the wealthy people, it was not Dick Cheney, it was not Donald Trump, it was not any of these other draft dodgers who were able to figure out a way to not go into this particular conflict.
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  SPEAKER_08: And it was the poor and the disadvantaged that paid the price yet again.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I find it to be very offensive.
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  SPEAKER_08: And uh the other issue is that the people that made these decisions that sent thousands, tens of thousands of Americans to die in Vietnam, nothing ever happened to them.
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  SPEAKER_08: They never went to jail, they never went to prison, and they came out, they were able to finish out their careers.
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  SPEAKER_08: Maybe they were unpopular, but they survived.
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  SPEAKER_08: And almost 60,000 Americans did not survive that conflict.
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  SPEAKER_08: Almost 60,000.
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  SPEAKER_08: And uh the the draft number was approximately two million Americans that were drafted into that conflict.
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  SPEAKER_08: So, food for thought in uh in this day and time.
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  SPEAKER_08: Now, that leads me to the next story that I wanted to talk to you about.
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  SPEAKER_08: And that is an article from Judge DiPolitano called A Culture of Death.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I want to get straight into the quote that he starts his article out with today because this is also our warrior poet tie-in.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I know this is not exactly a quote, it's not the same thing as poetry, but I find it to be poetry-like and meaningful and food for thought.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I'm gonna hopefully Tony will be okay with me lumping those in together and um considering it a bit of poetry, but it says it is forbidden to kill, therefore, all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
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  SPEAKER_08: Voltaire and he was um living from 1694 to 1778.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I think that that is something really important to consider that in when we have trumpets, when it is declared war, killing is okay.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_08: And otherwise, it's not okay.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_08: And uh, and of course, I don't think it's okay either.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm not saying that it is, but I'm just saying that there is uh hypocrisy in the government, um, in my opinion, in the way that it deals with and classifies these things, because they are the ones that in this case, we're gonna get into this article that are talking about the soldier who ended up killing other soldiers in Fort Hood, who they want to use the public execution via sniper firing squad on.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_08: And yet they're the same ones that will lower cognitive and physical limits to send you to the meat grinder in Vietnam.
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  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_08: So, uh again, this is by Judge Andrew Napolitano, and he goes in to say a government that claims the authority to kill persons after they have been subdued, disarmed, tried, convicted, and confined in prison has made a startling claim about the nature of political power.
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  SPEAKER_08: It claims not merely the authority to protect the innocent from violence, but the authority to inflict violence when no immediate threat exists.
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  SPEAKER_08: It claims that the taking of human life, which is rightly which it rightly condemns when committed by private individuals, somehow becomes morally permissible when committed by government agents.
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  SPEAKER_08: This is the fundamental contradiction of the death penalty.
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  SPEAKER_08: Government killing the helpless protects the living.
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  SPEAKER_08: The Declaration of Independence offers a radically different understanding of government.
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  SPEAKER_08: All human beings possess natural rights, and governments are instituted to protect those rights.
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  SPEAKER_08: Government's just powers derive solely from the consent of the governed.
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  SPEAKER_08: Government is not the owner of our lives, it is the creature established to protect rights that precede its existence.
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  SPEAKER_08: Its authority is limited and it cannot legitimately claim power that the people whom it governs do not themselves possess.
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  SPEAKER_08: And then another section here says, but what right does an individual possess to kill a defeated enemy who has surrendered, is disarmed, and locked in a jail cell?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_08: What right does a private person possess to execute a prisoner who no longer presents an immediate threat?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_08: None.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_08: The right of self defense does not include the right to kill a helpless captive as retribution for past offense.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_08: Now, I know that there is a lot of debate on the death penalty, being pro death penalty, and people.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_08: Feelings surrounding that.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_08: And that is very much a conversation that I'm interested in.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_08: If I have a chance, towards the end of the show, I want to show a video of something that was very impactful to me personally in my thought process about the death penalty and what does that mean and what impact does that have on your soul?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_08: And I do not sit here and proclaim to have the answers to this question.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like if I had a family member that some atrocious crime was committed against, that it is very possible that I would support the death penalty for the person that committed that crime.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_08: Now, looking at it from an anarchist or agorist perspective, then uh there was a uh tweet by Sal Mayweather over on X several days ago.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm paraphrasing, I looked for the quote before the show, but I was not able to find it right before I started.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm just gonna give you the general idea because he started out saying that generally, as an anarchist or an agorist, you're not against the death penalty per se.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_08: But what you are against is the government, the government's ability to carry that out.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_08: Because by nature of being an anarchist or an agorist, you do not trust the government to be the one making those decisions.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that that is a fair point.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_08: Again, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to think.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_08: Um, when Tony was on America Unplugged this past Saturday, he felt like this person was a candidate for the death penalty.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_08: And I completely be based on his crimes, and I completely respect that opinion.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_08: So this is something that I'm interested in the conversation about in a very uh civil and diplomatic way because I I understand that there's a lot of emotion associated with this particular topic, and I respect that.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_08: And I just wanted to say that it is my personal question about the legitimate legitimacy and the validity of that particular practice.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_08: And again, I'm gonna see if I can find it towards the end of the show.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_08: Um, a clip that was impactful for me, at least in my line of thinking, in regards to this.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_08: So Kenny said nobody ever pays the price they should.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_08: They are all too connected and protected.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_08: And I I agree with that.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that's exactly what we saw, atrocious war crimes committed in the Vietnam conflict, and that was against American soldiers as well.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_08: And it was against the Vietnamese people who lost between two and three million people, and a lot of them were citizens, civilians.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_08: And um, we don't see people that are making the decisions that are willing to send you and me and your kids and your grandkids and your nephews and husbands and daughters to die in a war.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_08: They don't care about that and they never suffer the consequences for that.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_08: And they their justice is never brought.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_08: And they may tell you that it's under the guise of stopping, you know, the domino effect of communism, but really in general, it's about keeping the pockets lined of the military-industrial complex.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_08: It's about wealth transfer, it's about destruction, and in some cases, rebuilding that place that is being destroyed in some agenda's name.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_08: So, our author Douglas Valentine, who was the author of the Phoenix Program book, which is considered fundamental if you are researching the atrocities in Vietnam, he believes that this was part of the technocratic agenda because they were also able to really start setting up surveillance on the people that they were interested in, keeping dossiers on them, photos, fingerprints, um, extreme interrogation that these people were going through.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_08: So there is also the this element of this could have been the beginning or the experiments or the trial balloon of the technocratic totalitarian surveillance state.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_08: And I think the case could be made for that.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_08: Again, I'm not trying to tell you what to think.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_08: This is just something that I had seen and I thought it made sense to me and it was interesting.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_08: So um moving right along, let me get to the rest of this.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but I want to read a few things.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_08: So he says, Judge Napolitano does, um, because he ends to say the right of self-defense does not include the right to kill a helpless captive as retribution for a past offense.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_08: And uh, we just covered that.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_08: And if the people do not possess that right, how can they delegate it to the government?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_08: The principle is straightforward.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_08: Government cannot legitimately acquire through the consent of the governed a power that the governed themselves do not possess.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, I already read that.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_08: My apologies.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_08: Confinement protects society, execution reveals the state's claim to omnipotence.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_08: Defense Secretary Pete Hexas' plan to have a convicted defendant executed publicly and live stream the killing represent a particularly repulsive vision of state power.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_08: If implemented, such a spectacle would not demonstrate the strength of American civilization, it would advertise its moral depravity.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_08: I want to read that again.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_08: It would advertise its moral depravity.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that that says it so well.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_08: That is exactly what I felt when I read that, when I saw the clip, I felt sickened by it.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that even in the situation of a death penalty, that it should not be something live streamed for people all over the internet to see.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_08: And Tony had made this point as well.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_08: In before times, if somebody was attending a public as execution, they had to go and physically be there.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_08: And oftentimes there was a reason they they had skin in the game, there was a stake in that person's crimes that facilitated them attending.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_08: Not always, but that was generally how it was done.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_08: This is something totally different, in my opinion.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_08: And honestly, there are films out there that we've been told by some authorities that they are a myth, and that's the myth of a human being extinguished on video for sale for pleasure of people who are very sick individuals.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_08: And how is this different than that?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_08: Who could be exposed to that?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_08: If you may recall on the day that uh Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and that video, that clip of that happening was all over the internet.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_08: If you were searching for it or not, I had a friend whose 13-year-old son saw that online that day, and he was very upset and he was crying by, you know, because of seeing that happen.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_08: So I just want to put that out there that it this is such a it is such a disgusting precedent and it's dangerous for the soul, in my opinion.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that you don't know who is gonna see this, and this is not appropriate for children.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know if this is even gonna transpire.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_08: Sometimes I think some of these things are put out there by the narrative managers from the government simply to gauge the reaction of people.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_08: Now, I know that that is a bit of a conspiracy theory, and I'm telling you, that is my speculation only that I think that they do trial balloons to gauge public reaction.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_08: And perhaps something like this is a part of that.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_08: And maybe this won't end up happening, but just uh putting the idea out there in general, I think is not well.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_08: The other thing that I was thinking about is there is a technique known as neuro-linguistic programming, and we know that the propaganda um game for the narrative managers has been very strong for a very long time.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_08: We know that even in the early 1900s in this country, that propaganda was being employed by the people in positions of power to affect the behavior and mental state of the American people.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_08: If you look in the book, PR: A Social History of Spin by Stuart Ewen, E-W-A-N, then he goes into in-depth coverage about how people like Edward Bernays were so influential, not only in big business and uh, but also in the government.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_08: This was also around the time when the uh Gallup polls were coming out.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_08: So they are were already understanding the importance of data collection to get the feedback and the response of the people.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_08: And during this time, this was when they were looking at, you know, more in the political sense, but that game has evolved significantly since then.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_08: And they recognized that once they had the ability to put that information in newspapers, that their influence grew stronger.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_08: Once magazines were able to come out, that influence grew stronger.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_08: Once television was out, that influence grew stronger.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_08: So, what do we think the level of power that they have to affect dialogue, opinion, division, um, fear is now through social media.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I think that's something that is worth considering.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_08: And I try to keep that in mind.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_08: Anytime I step into the internet world, if that's on X or Instagram or anything like that, I try to keep in mind that an algorithm has the ability to manipulate you in a lot of different ways.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_08: Sometimes it's pulling on your heartstrings, sometimes it's fear-based, sometimes it's outrage, it's rage bait.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_08: Um, and so I think that's something for us to be mindful of as far as what we're being presented.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_08: And then the other question that I ask myself when I see something and people are super outraged online and they're very upset and they're then assigning guilt to certain groups, whether that's black and white or um, you know, immigrants or or whatever that looks like.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_08: I just ask myself, what do you see when you go out and about and you look around?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_08: Do you see somebody being attacked on the street?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_08: So why do I need to be outraged because I saw this on social media?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_08: I am not minimizing crime.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_08: I do not want to give that message, but I'm just saying that I think we need to be careful about what we are being exposed to.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that we need to recognize that the tools of the propagandists have vastly improved in a hundred years.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_08: And so, what we know about hypnotism, blue light, a certain flicker rate of our phones and colors and things like that, that that has the potential to put us in a hypnotic state.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_08: Have you ever caught yourself just scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, and you didn't even realize, like, oh my gosh, I just spent 30 minutes doing that?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_08: Would you consider that to be a hypnotic state?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_08: I would.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_08: So if they have that ability to do that with all of these things combined, then we also know about the neurolinguistic programming technique, meaning that certain things can be said in certain ways by certain people at certain times, and that puts something in your mind.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_08: So, what image do you have when you're told about a live streamed public execution?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm not answering that for you.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_08: I'm just saying, what does that do to us?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_08: What do we think about?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_08: Do we think about the old days when they're hanging people in the town square?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_08: Do we think about some gray state documentary that never came to be about a tyrannical government who is starting to live stream executions?
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_08: What does it do?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_08: What does it do for our thought processes?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_08: These are questions that I have that I don't necessarily have the answers to.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_08: And uh Kenny Powers says, just sharing my opinion, you know, I'm an atheist, so souls are just what humans hope they have.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_08: What that man did at Fort Hood was 100% real, and he deserves to be put down like the POS he is.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_08: And I respect that.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I I'm not an atheist, and I have a lot of questions about what were presented as truth from the, you know, from the mainstream.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_08: And I must say, I have not done deep dive, and I'm not saying this guy didn't do it at all.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_08: I respect your opinion on that.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_08: And that's kind of in line with what Tony was saying, not the atheist part, but just that he he believed that he was deserving of the death penalty.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_08: And uh that's that's totally fine.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_08: I respect that.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_08: Uh Kenny said, should it be live streamed?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_08: It doesn't bother me either way, nor do I support or against it.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_08: I don't do scroll since I have no Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, et cetera.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_08: So that's good.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_08: Doom scrolling, I think is not good for you.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_08: I try to manage the amount of Doom Scrolling that I do, but I know it's it's there.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_08: And like I said, wherever you fall on this, I respect your opinion and I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on this.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm not trying to tell you what to think at all.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_08: I'm just saying what uh what I align with when I see this and what are some questions that I have that may be interesting to think about and have dialogue for.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_08: So um let's see, let me get back to this article here.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_08: So Judge says there's something profoundly disturbing about officials who would turn a human death into a public performance.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_08: What lesson would such a live stream teach?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_08: That the state is entitled to kill, that its violence deserves an audience, and that adults and children should watch with approval as the life of a powerless wheelchair-bound prisoner is extinguished by military sharpshooters?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_08: That's the proper response to wrongdoing, or that the proper response to wrongdoing is not the restraint of power, but the celebration of its most lethal expression.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_08: This is a cruel and unusual descent into barbarism, a glorification of government killing, and an invitation to cultivate a culture of fear and death.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_08: Civilization advances when it restrains violence, even in response to terrible crimes.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_08: Barbarism advances when the violence becomes an instrument of public spectacle and collective gratification.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_08: Now, this is quite a long article.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not going to read all of it, but I just want to kind of wrap up.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_08: He says a free people should reject should reject this culture of death.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_08: The measure of a civilized government is not how efficiently it kills a helpless prisoner or how many spectators it can gather to watch.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_08: It is how faithfully it restrains its own power, even when anger, fear, and the demand for vengeance make restraint politically inconvenient.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_08: Government exists to protect our natural rights not to become the final and unquestionable arbiter of who deserves to live.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_08: When the state claims that its right to kill is inherent and righteous, it demands a submission that no free people should grant.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_08: So, and uh again, this is on Lou Rockwell, but you can also find it at judgnappnap.com if you are interested in that.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_08: And again, um, I think this is something for discussion, but I agree with the judge here.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_08: I do.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_08: And, you know, I know he's more in the libertarian space as opposed to the anarchist space, but I still think that his points are valid and I think that it certainly is something to consider.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_08: Now I'm gonna go check over on Rumble, see we got a few people over there.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_08: Also, Kenny says, Thank you, Ashley.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_08: You are a real one.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you, Kenny.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_08: You're my friend.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_08: I appreciate you, and I appreciate you being here.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_08: So over on Rumble, we have LT Oracle of Truth, No Stradamas, Lucky One.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that's it.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_08: So um let's see, what Lucky said.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_08: Good morning.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_08: My cousin told us when we were very young that he was not allowed to talk about his time in Laos.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_08: He was really messed up mentally when he got back.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_08: I'm glad people are talking now.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you so much.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_08: First of all, thanks guys for being over in the Rumble chat.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_08: Nostra, Lucky, LTO, appreciate y'all and Kenny.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_08: Um, but I agree.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_08: And one of the things that I'm gonna stop my screen share here really quickly.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_08: But one of the things that um based on Lucky's comment, I had the fortune of speaking with somebody who who is a Hmong uh woman who her family was from Laos.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_08: And so she was talking to me, and she's young, like she was in her 30s, and she was knowledgeable about this.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_08: Her husband, who's also Hmong, was uh discussing or they discuss it quite often, and she said he's very interested in that history.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_08: And I felt honored that somebody was willing to speak with me about it as well because it is a sensitive subject.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_08: Even going back these 60, 70 years, you know, I have a grandfather who was in the Korean War.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_08: They don't talk about it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_08: We know that that's a well-worn trope, and I don't blame them.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_08: But when we have people that are willing to engage in this discussion with us about these sensitive matters to help us understand better, it edifies us and it makes us more well-rounded in understanding, especially the human element of that conflict.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_08: So thank you so much.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_08: Um, LTO said, I remember watching Walter Cronkite reporting on Vietnam every evening.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, that uh I think that must have been really, I don't know if it was considered weird at the time, but it certainly was a different time because now, if people are reporting on war, I I feel like the messages are so mixed, it's very difficult to discern what is actually transpiring as we speak in the conflicts.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_08: And I feel like this is even when I was young and I was watching uh Desert Storm, that was very impactful for me.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_08: I had a cousin who was in the 101st airborne.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_08: And I remember as a little girl when I heard the news that we were officially at war with Iraq and we're going after Saddam Hussein, uh, I started crying because I was worried about my cousin.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_08: And later he came back and he actually gave me a set of wings um from his, you know, his I don't know, uniform, I guess is is the way to say it.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_08: And I still have them to this day.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_08: And I also have a full collection of the Desert Storm cards that were issued at that time.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_08: And if you're wondering, I do have Saddam Hussein.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_08: So uh these things are very impactful, and there's been a huge change in the reporting.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_08: Like LTO was saying, that Walter Cronkite was on the news every evening.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_08: And now I think there is coverage of it, but we know or we have been told that the Pentagon is lying in this particular conf conflict that we have with Iran, that the Pentagon is lying and that certain people the deaths are being minimized, and um that they are fudging the numbers because it's not officially war.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_08: We're not officially at war.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_08: And so I think that maybe these types of things were always happening, but we know it now, and it's really challenging because sometimes I and I try to keep up with this stuff, and I can't keep up because every day something is changing with the conflict.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, we're um, you know, uh Iran is bombing, you know, the United Arab Emirates, and they're they're going after what, uh, or the or let's say in Iraq, they're going after formerly American military bases.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_08: And there's so much happening there, but it's weird because this isn't like um gaining ground.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_08: And this is one of the things that we talked about on uh our two episodes ago, maybe on Fool Me Twice, where we discussed the the fact that the United States military made a secret deal with South Korea after the Korean War.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_08: They paid the government of South Korea five billion dollars in order to hire 300,000 South Korean mercenaries to fight in the Vietnam War alongside the United States.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_08: And this was a cornerstone of the very strong um economy that still exists for South Korea, in as much as any major country has a good economy in these days.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_08: I know we know about the debt, we know about inflation and all this stuff, but I'm just saying that they were able to create a higher standard of living from poverty, and their involvement in the Vietnam War was part of that.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_08: So uh the other change that we talked about in that episode, and is also mentioned in James William Gibson's book, A Perfect War, Techno War in Vietnam, was that this marked the change in the way that war was measured.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_08: So this was not about territory, holding territory, protecting a place.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_08: This was about body count.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_08: And it never really went back to being territorial.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_08: Now, I know that there were certainly times when in the conflicts that we had with uh Iraq, that yes, like they took the they took Saddam's castle, they toppled the statue.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_08: So there there was an element of that, but that marked a significant change in the way that war was measured.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_08: And I feel like in today's day and time, we really don't have a clear marker to identify or delineate what is actually going on.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_08: We get a lot of information about the strait.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_08: The Strait of Hormuz is closed and these types of things, and that it's being controlled by Iran, or oh, it's not being controlled by Iran.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_08: Like whatever is actually happening there, we're getting a lot of conflicting information, which makes it difficult for us to actually discern.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_08: So, all that to say, a lot of uh change has happened from the nightly reporting of what was happening in the Vietnam War to the reporting that we get today.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_08: And a lot has happened in the um, I guess the theater of war and the way that it is approached as well.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that part of that is this is my opinion, speculation only, that part of that is the mind war with the American people.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_08: Now, also mentioned in PR, a social history of spin, is this idea of keeping the public in a state of excited distractibility.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_08: So that's something that I keep in mind all the time as well, because when we are getting constant breakneck, whiplash news back and forth, I think that that certainly contributes to keeping us in a state of excited distractability as well as um confusion perhaps allows you to be propagandized further and maybe even scared into being in a fearful state, which makes you very submissive to the powers that shouldn't be.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_08: So, and that's just my stream of consciousness as far as that goes.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_08: So um Nostradamus said that able-bodied men were all given a number.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_08: If they called your number, you were drafted.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_08: My friend got a number, but his number was never called for Vietnam.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_08: So uh, and then Nostra also said an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_08: And I don't disagree with that as well.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_08: I think it's something for us to consider.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_08: And then LTO said that Walter would give the daily body count.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, one of the things that reminded me of that was during COVID time.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_08: So we were kind of getting a daily body count on the news, and I felt like that was kind of grotesque and not really helpful actually, um at that time.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_08: So I wanted to make sure, okay, everything's good to go there.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_08: Now, the next thing that I wanted to talk about, transitioning uh from some of the the war talk, and we may get back to that, but gas prices.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_08: What do the gas prices look like where you live?
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_08: I know we all know gas has gone up significantly.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_08: There was before February of 2026, and then there was after February 2026.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_08: That was when the United States ended up starting a war that they won't call a war, that they don't have congressional approval for, and attacked Iran.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_08: Under the guise, one story that were told is to prevent them from having a nuclear weapon, even though we had people that were in a position of intelligence power, and that would be Joe Kent and Tulsi Gabbard, who said that they were not at risk for developing nuclear weapons.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_08: And the United States, Donald Trump himself had said months before that their ability to uh create and manufacture nuclear weapons was completely obliterated, but that's why we went to war anyway.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_08: And I'm also not telling you what to think about Joe Kent, Tulsi Gabbard.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, you know, my conspiracy mind is running about these people and their role that they're playing in all of this.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm I respect you where you're at.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_08: I'm just saying if we're looking at the official story, that is what we were told.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_08: And there was already conflicting information from Donald Trump and people that were part of his administration.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_08: So then gas prices go up, up, up, up, up.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_08: I spoke to a friend who lives in Southern California just this week, and she's paying over$7 a gallon for regular gas.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_08: And then here, even in North Carolina, about a week and a half, two weeks ago, the price for diesel was almost$6 a gallon.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_08: And the price for regular gas was, as of last week, when I looked, it was$4.10.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_08: Pretty unprecedented for North Carolina, where it's generally not as affordable as South Carolina, but definitely more affordable than some places, such as Southern California.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_08: So what I wanted to bring up here is let's see, is this it's not changing?
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I have the wrong share this tab instead.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_08: Here we go.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_08: So this story is from I I can't even read that, guys.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_08: I don't even know what that says.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_08: IJR.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_08: Um it says that Ohio, Georgia, and North Carolina suspend fuel taxes.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_08: So this actually happened and was implemented in North Carolina.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_08: So after that day that I saw gas at$410 a gallon for regular unleaded, the next day it was back in like say the$350 range.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_08: So I want to go over a few things with this and then I'm gonna come back to the chat.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_08: So this says Ohio suspended its gasoline and diesel tax for 90 days.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_08: Georgia temporarily suspended its 33.3 cent per gallon tax.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_08: North Carolina suspended its 41 cent per gallon gasoline tax and diesel tax through November the 30th.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_08: North Carolina Attorney General Jeff Jackson launched North Carolina fuel check to review prices.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_08: West Virginia is discussing a possible 35 cent per gallon tax holiday with no decision made.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_08: President Trump said a federal gas tax suspension is under consideration, but the tax remains in place.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_08: So this says Ohio has oh, I already ran through that.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_08: All right, so that's just a blip on um on the tax breaks.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm curious if we are going to be seeing other states start to uh suspend gas taxes in an effort to put a band-aid on a on a terminal wound.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_08: Um we may see that, and it did help somewhat, but ultimately, this is a lot of my problem with even um some medical issues.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_08: If you go in often, or let's say that you maybe have high cholesterol.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_08: So generally, this is not medical advice.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_08: This is just me speculating, talking, my opinion.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_08: You may be prescribed statins for raised cholesterol, but what is actually not taking place generally is a root cause analysis of the actual issue.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_08: And that's what this is.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_08: This is not this is statins for high cholesterol.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_08: This is not a root cause analysis and addressing of the actual issue.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_08: And honestly, I don't even know if that's possible at this point because what we know, at least somebody who is not an expert, but who literally is trying to stay on top of what is happening in the Middle East, is that 20% of the world's energy was coming through the Strait of Hormuz.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_08: Then what we also saw recently is that Iran was particular participating in some attacks on Saudi infrastructure.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_08: And now on Sar Allah, aka the Houthi rebels from Yemen are making significant headway against Saudi Arabia.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_08: And that is the first time that they have had this kind of run in probably a decade and a half.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_08: Um, I think it was back and forth, and supposedly they are very determined people.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_08: They are not people who are in it for the money, but they are trying to end the, I guess, the long arm of influence from the Saudi Arabian government and monarchy in Yemen.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_08: And we know that Yemen has been starved, that they have had civil war over these last many years.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_08: And so these Houthi rebels are are making a lot of headway.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_08: But what we don't know is that so if they're bombing refineries or oil infrastructure in Saudi Arabia, what we haven't felt yet is the full uh the full result of exactly what has happened there.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_08: And the other issue compounding that is if the infrastructure has actually been destroyed, then how long is it going to take for that infrastructure to be repaired?
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_08: Meanwhile, we also have similar things happening in the Ukraine and Russia war.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_08: We have refineries in Russia that are also being attacked.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_08: So some of this stuff, I don't think we're gonna have a clear idea.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_08: Like, of course, we know the general idea, and that is that our gas is going up and that we potentially are on the precipice of a worldwide depression, food shortages, gas shortages, energy shortages, all of these things.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_08: And we're headed into winter in um the northern hemisphere.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_08: And I think there's a lot of concerns and energy prices in general for electricity for people.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_08: So, all that to say is that I was glad to see this happen as far as the gas tax break, and I think that it could help people in a very short term, which honestly, we need all the help we can get.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_08: I know people that have already started cutting back on their driving because they simply cannot afford four something dollars a gallon here in North Carolina to get where they need to go.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_08: So I wanted to, you know, just bring that up and address that.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_08: And we're gonna see where this is going to continue to go over these next many months.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_08: But I must say that I'm very concerned.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_08: Um, Kenny Powers said, I'm in New Jersey, so gas taxes being suspended, not a chance.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_08: And I think they have a little bit more there too, because they don't pump their own gas in New Jersey.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_08: They there's a gas station attendant that they have to uh engage with there.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_08: So let's see here.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_08: Nostradamus said nuclear weapon development is an excuse to attack other countries.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_08: They don't fool me one minute.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_08: LTO said, I do see similarities to how the young are speaking out about Palestine, like they did about Vietnam.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, the intense protests eventually led to uh led the war to end.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_08: That's a really good point.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that you're right.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_08: There are a lot of young people.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_08: So I find that people that are sort of these like classic neocon conservatives, uh evangelical types are very much in support of what is happening in Palestine.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_08: But I think that LTO makes an excellent point that a lot of people are very disgusted and very outspoken about what is continuing to happen in Palestine.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_08: And this was one of the big pieces of the memorandum of understanding that we had that Donald Trump signed with Iran and then they immediately broke because they were wanting the genocide in Gaza to end.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_08: And of course, that deal was never really uh upheld.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_08: And they also want them to stop the nation state of Israel, they want them to stop bombing Lebanon as well, which also hasn't stopped.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_08: So there's a lot going on there.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_08: Um, Jason Barker's in the chat.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_08: Hey Jason, how are you doing?
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_08: And that was a great point by LTO because um a lot of young people are very much against what we're seeing, and I think that that's a good thing.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_08: Now, there was one more thing that I wanted to read.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_08: I maybe took a screenshot of that, so I won't be able to um share it, but this was a comment to oh, this was in the AP article that I had um talked about before as far as the people in Vietnam, the burials after the um the Tet offensive.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_08: So this was somebody who, and let me know if this is like well-known poem or or comment, but I hadn't seen it before and I thought it was pretty impactful.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_08: So this comment was by somebody with the handle of Brilliant Bill, and it said, the American war on Vietnam will live in infamy for many, many generations.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_08: I was there on that holiday, which was we referred to in the article as the lunar new year.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_08: I wasn't always an old man.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_08: Once I was young, and as the young often do, I acted carelessly.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_08: I went to war.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_08: I do not have the power of life, yet I exercised the power of death.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_08: Now, nearing my end, I do not fear death.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_08: I do, I do fear the accounting for life and for death.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_08: On that other side are people whose lives I participated in ending, men, women, children, innocent and wicked alike, deleted from the human world.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_08: Their right was to live in peace, to love, to nurture life.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_08: My violence took their rights, their lives.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_08: What will I say to them, to their spirits?
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_08: When they ask why I took their human lives, one ones they had every right to say sustain.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_08: What can I say?
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_08: What justification for an arrogant divine providence of my own making?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_08: I followed orders, you scared me.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_08: It was politics.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_08: My religion told me it was okay.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't like the way you lived.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_08: I wasn't born a senator son.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sorry.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_08: I was young and dumb.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't like the way you looked.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_08: I was being patriotic.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't understand love.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_08: They told me you were not human.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_08: What will I say?
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_08: And what will they say when I ask?
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_08: Please forgive me.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_08: What will they say to me?
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_08: So that was something that I found very powerful.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_08: And honestly, I feel like that is as a human being, that's a question that I think about in general.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_08: No, I have not been to war or participated in war, but I have participated in the human experience, and I have made plenty of mistakes.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_08: And I just hope that at the end of my days, that for the mistakes that I have made in this life, that I will find forgiveness from those people.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_08: And I think those are valid questions that were asked by the commenter.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_08: Brilliant Bill.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_08: Now, the other thing that I wanted to get into is um, oh, we're running up on almost a full hour.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_08: So if you are listening in from worldwide Christian radio, I want to thank you so much for being with us during this time and for tuning in.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_08: And don't forget to tune in to Tony next week on Thursday.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_08: Don't forget to check out Wise Wolf Gold and Silver that you can go to Tony.gold in order to uh set up your account, to buy precious metals, to buy crypto.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_08: And also, Tony will be on America Unplugged this Saturday at 12 p.m.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_08: on his channel here on YouTube, excuse me, which is the uh Tony Artburn channel, and he will also be over on Rumble.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_08: So check him out there.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_08: And then we will look forward to hearing back from Tony next week.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_08: Also, last thing, if you didn't catch him on the David Knight show today, I highly recommend that.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_08: That was an excellent conversation between them.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you so much.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_08: Have a wonderful rest of your day, and we'll see you next time.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_08: Now, for everyone that's still with me, still in the chat, what I wanted to get into next is um I wanted to talk about some of the places that I get some of my news in order to try to keep up with what's going on, some of my favorite channels.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_08: And again, I'm not telling you that you need to do it or you have to do it or that there isn't some bad actors or anything like that of some of these people.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_08: Like I personally have questions.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_08: If you're telling me that you're ex-CIA Larry Johnson, then yes, I like your take.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_08: I like hearing from you, I like your input.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_08: But I have to consider if you are still carrying out the wishes of the intelligence apparatus or if you have other propagandistic uh designs on my mind.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_08: So I keep that in mind, but it doesn't mean that I don't like some of the conversations that Larry Johnson is having with uh Suleiman Ahmed.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_08: Um, save for one of my personal favorites is Colonel Karen Quadkowski.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_08: And she is on with uh, and I'm gonna bring this up in just a second, but with Suleiman Ahmed on the Moral Resistance.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_08: She's on with Craig Pasta Jardula every Wednesday for his um his morning show, which is Pasta Drive Time, I think is the name, um, on YouTube and Rumble live at 8 a.m.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_08: But she comes on as his co-host every Wednesday.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm a big fan of hers.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_08: Now, do I know that she is 100% legit on the up and up?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_08: No, I don't know that.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_08: But I think that she has a reasonable libertarian take that I like hearing from her and she has good experience and uh she's well spoken and she seems to be a kind person.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_08: So Kenny Powers said Ashley needs to do a wolf howl after sharing Tony's wise wolf gold.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe, maybe sometime, Kenny, maybe I will do a wolf howl.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_08: Today is not that day.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_08: Um, Ronnie Omelett's has joined us in the chat over on Rumble.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_08: Hello, Ronnie.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_08: Very good to see you.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_08: And um, happy to have you here.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you so much.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_08: And thank you for uh No Shredamas for your lovely compliments in the in the chat.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_08: And Ronnie Omelz is our friend from France, and he does call me Lady Livermush, and that is due to my North Carolina roots.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_08: And so a curtsy to you, good sir.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, I'm going to change my screen share here and bring up this channel.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_08: This is the one that I wanted to tell you all about.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_08: So this is his channel, it is called The Moral Resistance, and then there is uh Karen Kwadkowski.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_08: And so I'm just gonna play a couple of maybe not even a couple minutes, but just kind of give the intro of that.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_08: And the reason I wanted to share that is because oftentimes I hear from people in the chat on different shows that are giving me good information.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_08: Um, hey, check out this Substack, check out this YouTube article, check out this channel.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_08: So I just wanted to do that in case you didn't know about this channel, then and you are trying to follow the current geopolitical events in the Middle East that maybe you hadn't heard of this and maybe you would find it interesting.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_08: So let me do a little sharing here for just a moment, and then um we will check back in.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Back for another show.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you like this video, subscribe to the channel.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: Let's try and get as many people in here as possible.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: Quite a lot of news to speak about, and we've got Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kotowski on the show.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Karen, thank you so much for taking your time out to join us.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate you coming on.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, the first thing I wanted to talk about is Netanyahu.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_00: Netanyahu has now been speaking about the possibility of restarting the war with Iran.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: He said we need to finish the job when it comes to Iran.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_00: Many political commentators believe that what this means is that Israel will attack Iran, or they will get the US to attack Iran, or they will do it together, but something's gonna happen this weekend or next weekend before the Israeli elections, either to change the landscape of the elections and make Netanyahu win.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: And if Netanyahu thinks that he's not gonna win, then the belief is, and the thought is that he's doing it to cancel the Israeli elections.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's your thoughts?
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: It makes a lot of sense.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, you know, uh Netanyahu doesn't want these elections, uh, or he hasn't, because I think the numbers are not in his favor.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh the Israeli voter uh is is unhappy with the situation, and they got nobody else to blame uh but Netanyahu right now.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously they can blame themselves, but uh, you know, Netanyahu is a key part of the problem, and it's natural to blame the uh guy that's been running the country for so long for all the problems.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: We mean that's normal in any uh any election.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: So uh it doesn't look good for Netanyahu.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_08: So that is uh, I know that wasn't a ton of information, but I just wanted to share that.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_08: And while I shared that, I was able to find the video that I told you about that was very impactful for me as far as considering um the death penalty and what does that mean?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_08: And what is that, what impact does that have on the people that are tasked with carrying that out?
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_08: And that was something that Don Jeffries had also discussed on America Unplugged last Saturday.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_08: Was if it's right, then why would you need to obscure the person that's actually doing the executing?
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_08: Whether that means that several different people are injecting uh different things, some of it may be saline, some of it may be hot, but so the responsibility is shared.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_08: If you need to share the responsibility, then is what you're doing right?
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_08: Um, so I just that I think that's food for thought for us.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_08: Kenny says, like the color match with your sweater and the office chair.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you very much.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_08: This is my new star sweater.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_08: I'm a big fan for the fall season, even though it was like 90 degrees here in North Carolina yesterday.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_08: It's uh I thought we were going to have fall, but we didn't end up really, it wasn't long.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_08: It was a fall.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_08: Fall or it's an Indian summer, whatever you want to say.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_08: Um, the other thing that I wanted to bring up and do a quick screen share here is Karen has Karen Kwakowski has a sub stack.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_08: So if you are interested in finding more of her information and she also shares on her activity, she posts the um the different podcasts that she goes on.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm a I'm a big fan of hers.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_08: I I really like her.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_08: And it it is uh Quitkowski, K W I A T K O W S K I, last name.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_08: And then it's called Karen Quitkowski without reservation.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_08: That is her substack.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_08: So the other thing is I know that I shared moral resistance um because that's one that I've really been interested in in hearing the guests take.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_08: And uh I also like to watch Judge Napolitano because again, I don't know that everybody on there that's is 100% on the up and up and they don't have some propaganda for uh Russia or somebody else, but I do enjoy learning.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that Judge Napolitano asks really good questions sometimes, and it's maybe things that I haven't talked about.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_08: And then the other benefit is that some of the people use excellent vocabulary words.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm always learning.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_08: Um uh I'm I'm trying to improve my vocabulary every single day.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_08: So that helps.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_08: Now, what I wanted to show you is a so this video is eight minutes and 41 seconds.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not gonna play the whole thing, but I want to play a few minutes for you just to show that this was an impactful video for me in thinking about my own personal thoughts on the death penalty and the impacts that it has not only on like just us in general, but the people who are carrying this out.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_08: There is a in my opinion, there's a spiritual price that has to be paid.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_08: Um so let me bring this up and the title of this is Fred Allen, former Death House Captain at Huntsville, Texas.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_08: So this is the guy that we're gonna be hearing from.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_08: And again, I'm not gonna play too much, and I don't, I hope Tony's okay with me playing a few videos.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_08: I know he normally doesn't do a lot of that, um, but these are just things that I thought were interesting and perhaps would be useful to other people.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_08: Here we go.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_02: They knew what I was telling them.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be the truth.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm not gonna tell you anything.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tell you everything's gonna happen back here.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_02: Four o'clock, guys gonna come in here and they're gonna fingerprint you.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_02: Shortly after that, we're gonna allow you to take a shower.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then we're gonna put you in free work clothes, that you let you dress in free work clothes.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: Free work clothes would be the clothes you and I would wear.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_02: Five, six o'clock, whatever your your request for last meal, they'll bring it in.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you'll sit there and eat your last meal.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, during that time, if you need anything else, just ask.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, need some more juice punch or whatever else we got back here, just ask.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they you know sometimes it has strange requests, you know.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: Within reason, I'm gonna get it for you.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: Give me one of those requests.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one man, I sure like to smoke a doobie right now.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's not gonna happen.
• 1:10:04
  unknown: You know.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_02: Guy with the key, he opens the door, swings the door open.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's another correction officer behind him, and another behind me.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_02: So as soon as he does, he follows me in.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Then the other correction officers follow right in behind him.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_02: So there'll be two in front of in front of them, mate, and then the other three right behind him.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_02: I tell him jump up on the gurney, which then I automatically.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's only a few steps from the cell.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: If I would say no more than 10 steps at that much, I would immediately go around to the gurney because I always took care of the left leg.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: So as soon as he laid down, I took care of the left leg.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: The other person was in front with me would take care of the right.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: The three that fell in behind, one would take care of the the right arm, the other one would take care of the left arm, and the other one would be there in case the inmate, once he lays down, if he had a response or tried to get back up.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: His job was to hold to hold his shoulders down.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're not once you're up there, you're up there.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Within that time, us four people would have him done, probably within about 15 seconds, he'd be strapped down.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_02: That quick.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because we all knew exactly where our straps were and what we were supposed to do.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_02: That time to process.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: We trained on it.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_02: So last time you're gonna see, I'm gonna see him with his eyes open.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because after the execution is done and the process went, and then they called the doctor in to pronounce him dead.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um everybody leaves, my job begins again because I have to go back in there.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's off also kind of difficult because here you sit with this individual uh eight or ten hours all day long.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_02: And now you're the last thing you're doing is removing those straps.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_02: The straps have to be removed and put them on another journey for the funeral home.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then you thought you didn't think about none of this while you're doing this, the procedure.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know none of this, um you're you don't keep you don't put those emotions out there.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: You you do you do the job.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Go home.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_05: You did how many executions, roughly?
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was over 125.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_02: 120, somewhere over 120.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: It was a bunch.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_02: We got to the point where, especially after I I think I promoted Captain in 90.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_08: Um I probably played that a little bit longer than I should have, but I just I highly recommend you, no matter what you think about the death penalty, to check out this video.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_08: If you search Fred Allen, former Death House captain at Huntsville, Texas, you will be able to find a clip of him.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_08: And I just find it very moving and it's emotional and it's a uh a heavy subject for something for us to consider.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_08: Again, I'm not trying to tell you what to think, but this was just something that was really impactful for me and my thinking.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_08: And uh would love to hear from you know, from anyone that ends up checking checking that out uh to see what you felt as well.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_08: And he he, as you can tell, he's somebody that is very emotional about this and in his participation and he appears to carry a hairy, uh heavy burden um with him, uh I think when watching him.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_08: So the other thing I want to say is that all of my viewpoints are I'm not a representative of Tony, okay?
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_08: He allows me to come in and fill in, but I don't want y'all to think that Tony 100% signs off on all this.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_08: I don't even know.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_08: I haven't even had a chance to talk to him about all of this yet.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_08: But I just want to say like, if if something that I say bothers you, please don't take that out on Tony, okay?
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_08: And um then the last thing that I wanted to show before we wrap up for the day is just a couple of minutes of Tony's interview with David Knight today.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_08: I know a lot of you probably already saw it, but it was really good.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_08: So I just wanted to bring that up, point that to you so that you will have um an opportunity to uh to check that out.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_08: And uh I just I really enjoyed it.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_08: So I just wanted to show a minute or two of that, and then we will um I'm gonna check the comments while I do that and then uh come back and and we'll wrap it up for today.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_08: And Tony or uh Kenny Powers said beans signed off on it.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, you keep beans out of this.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, I can't uh I cannot have beans being blamed for what I'm talking about up here.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_08: All right, so let me make that a full screen.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_08: I'm just gonna show a couple of minutes here, and then I will be right back and we'll wrap it up.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back, and joining us now is Tony Artiban.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh uh good to have you on, Tony.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's a crazy world, isn't it?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_03: I loved you uh playing the Magatard video.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's given me some endless uh you know, maybe hours.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_03: I've I've set through a whole series of those things.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_04: I'm yeah, my favorite one was the wrestling one.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_04: That was so spot on, I think.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I played that a couple of days ago.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Have you seen the one where Alex Jones shows up in a van to help him because he's got some sort of like encoded message in his original MAGA hat?
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_03: He has a 2015 version of that.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, right.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_03: He's planning to do so.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_03: He has to defuse it.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's so funny.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, it is crazy, isn't it?
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_04: But I guess, you know, when we look at this uh planned public execution from Pagan Pete, I guess it's just getting people warmed up for when they can execute people for violating the Noahide laws and worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we gotta we gotta move that.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of funny to me that Trump's FDA person is actually named Overton.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Not even trying to hide it anymore, are they?
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_03: That seems appropriate.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, I talked about this last week, you know, on America Unplugged.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: We talked uh about uh the public execution.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not so much that it's public, and you and I both know um uh about the uh this country and the old west and and public executions and things, but you had to make an effort, and it wasn't streaming, you know, it's another part of you know the the downfall of our of our culture and making death so accessible.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I think that's the issue with that whole the deal.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, obviously the the you know the Nadal Hassan deserves the death penalty in my opinion, even though I I'm not necessarily you know a pro-death penalty because the state carries it out and the state gets things wrong.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, in a in a sense of right and wrong, he certainly deserves it.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_03: But uh we've c we crossed some weird boundary, and uh yeah, I think that's indicative of the the current administration and the current political climate.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for me, the boundary that we've crossed is to uh do the types of things that, of course, soldiers have to do in a war.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, but to do it and to boast about it, right?
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_04: And that's really what we get from Pagan Pete.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_04: He's all about the lethality, and he doesn't care how many laws, uh, moral, ethical, or constitutional, he violates.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_04: He's gonna brag about winning.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_04: And to me, this is just another boast from him.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is not about justice or uh, you know, um uh setting a pattern.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_04: It's just boasting, I think.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's one of the reasons why it's gonna backfire.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, the Australian government is using this as an opportunity to defend their upcoming censorship bill.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_04: The European Union has said they're going to censor it under their DSA stuff, but they don't have that yet in Australia.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_04: They're using this as an argument for censorship.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's just so many precedents that are being set by Trump and so many consequences to these precedents that he's doing that uh people don't think through.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_04: It it truly is um uh where we are right now with uh Trump.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, I was just playing the the clip about how he likes inflation.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_04: He does, doesn't he?
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's the whole point.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's his philosophy, if he has one, which more and more I'm beginning to think that uh all this is just real scripted and he doesn't really know anything.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, and and I don't know uh which is more dangerous.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh ideologue who truly believes something, or you know, somebody who's just floating in space and time without any real anchor of what's right or wrong.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_03: Just remember, he said something about that what's constrained constraints him is his own morality, not the power of the constitution.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_03: The power of the presidency is is is his alone.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's um what was that French thing that said the law is in my mouth or something like that?
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's what a dictator is.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_04: The law is in my mouth.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_04: And he said that basically as well.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_04: When he got somebody complained about uh something he wanted to do with one of his remodeling projects, he said, I am the code.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_03: I am the building code, right?
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_03: That probably goeth before a fall.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_03: If you you look at where we are and what you know, my wheelhouse and things that I study is obviously the currency, uh, the monetary system, and what that gave birth to, like the outcropping of fiat, and this is in-game fiat.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_03: This is what it looks like.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you have the complete breakdown of responsibility from institutions to complete decoupling of of logic and value uh from what the society produces because you have you have no accountability whatsoever.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_08: Alrighty.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_08: So if you haven't seen the interview uh with David and Tony today, go check it out.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_08: It was an excellent one.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_08: And I want to thank my friend Kenny Powers over on YouTube for being here.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_08: And I also want to thank the folks in Rumble, like I said, uh LT Oracle of Truth, No Shredamus, Lucky, Jason Barker, Ronnie Omelitz.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_08: I think I hit everybody.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_08: Thank y'all so much for being here today, for being in the chat.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_08: And I know that I am uh not even close to saying it for Tony, but I hope that we have had a good interaction, food for thought, and that you feel um, I know you're excited for Tony to come back next week, but that you maybe came away with some things to think about because a lot of these things are, and I don't presume to say that I'm giving you things to think about, but these are things that I'm mulling over as we are existing as humans in this very strange place that we find ourselves known as Earth in the material plane.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_08: It's uh it's a weird time.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_08: So these are the things that are um on my mind.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_08: And again, I want to thank everyone for being here today.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_08: It means a lot to me.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_08: And if you enjoyed the show, please like.
• 1:21:55
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• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_08: And leave a comment if you enjoyed having me be a partial stand-in today.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_08: Let him know.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_08: I appreciate all the uh praise and support that I could get.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_08: So let Tony know.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_08: And then last but not least, do not forget to check out Tony.gold.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_08: And then if you are interested in getting touch in touch with me, you can find all of my contact information and all the work that I've been doing on my Linktree page, which is Linktree ThinkChange Repeat.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_08: So it has all the links for my Think Change Repeat show on YouTube and Rumble.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_08: The same thing for Fool Me Twice on YouTube and Rumble.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_08: My email address is in there, my Instagram channel, X, all those, uh all those ways to get in touch, you can find me.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_08: And um, I really appreciate your time.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_08: And I know it's a crazy world, but one of the things that I've been, and I was talking to a good friend yesterday, is that whenever I am kind of struggling with what we're seeing, what's transpiring, or what may be happening in my personal life, I try to think about what is still actually good right in front of my face.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_08: And there's a lot.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_08: And uh I haven't put out my owl story yet, but I heard a great horned owl right off of my back porch the other week and it was magical.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_08: And I felt like that was a gift from God.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_08: I'm able to go out here and see a beautiful sunset every day.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like that's a gift from God.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_08: I have time with my animals, my dogs, and my cats, and y'all know how much I love them.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_08: That's a gift from God.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_08: And um, so I just try to focus on that.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_08: And of course, I also frame that in when I was having a conversation with um someone who is Hong, and she's talking to me about where her parents had to come from, and they had to flee in the middle of the night with only the clothes on their back to get away from the oppressive government because they helped the United States government, then that also allows me to reframe, maybe feel a little bit of shame for uh the things that cause me stress because I've never had to be in that situation and the the also appreciation for the human spirit for what people are able to overcome.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_08: And um, you know, it's not always easy being a human being here.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_08: So having said all that, thank you so very much, everyone.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_08: Thanks to Tony for the chance to be here, and I will look forward to seeing you later.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_08: Bye bye.