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Episode 56: A Conversation About Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 5 (SPOILER ALERT) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello, there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren, and I'm
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your host Leanne. And this week, it's time to talk
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about episode 5 of the Obi-Wan Kenobi series.
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Wow, that's how we start every show.
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Just wow. Yeah, this was a lot.
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I'm still peeling myself up off the floor.
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I truly. I mean, truly, this was an
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episode, it was like just for you.
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I feel like they had so many good things in there for you.
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I mean, I'm just gonna go ahead and say, thanks a personal.
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Thanks for the shit that made me scream when I watched it.
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I I'm very happy. I'm happy, I'm content.
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I'm going to keep my volume down, so I don't blow people's
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eardrums out, but if I wasn't recording something
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semi-professional, I would be squeezing right now, but not
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over everything. Yeah, I do everything with with
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every episode. There are things, there are
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things but there are some amazing things that happen.
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Let me describe to you my actions.
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As I was watching the episode because it went a little
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something like this. It was hand over the mouth jaw
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on the floor and I held it for so long.
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I forgot that I had my hand over my mouth, my jaw on the floor.
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It was just So many sequences of just delightful Star Wars
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happiness, that I forgot that I was cupping.
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My hand over my mouth and I was like, you need to breathe Liang.
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You need to breathe. You need to breathe.
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Say, it's a good thing. You did suffocate.
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It was just it boy. Oh boy.
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Holy shit. Like oh, that's all we're gonna
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do for this episode of just me. This is a An all sound effect
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episode brought to you by me and my heavy breathing.
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Like it's the audio equivalent of emojis.
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Yes, it is but you and I have talked, we've shared a few
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thoughts on it. Yes, I think this episode is
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going to be a little different. Believe it or not because you
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and I are having different opinions on a lot of the stuff
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in the episode which is totally fine.
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Yeah, it's really rare. That that happens between you
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and me. Honestly, we were like in this
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sea We share like the same space brain.
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We do you do, and we usually, if we nitpick something, we usually
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agree on it. So I'm curious to see where this
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episode goes because we don't mean you only spoke a little bit
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like yeah again my heavy breathing expressed over text
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messages doesn't really cover it or voice messages to.
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Yeah I'm the shit today cuz I don't I didn't really like the
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episode and it's not for nitpicking reasons that right?
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I just you told me. You initially that it was
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editing, right? Yes, it truly is and I've
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re-watched it three times. This is an editing
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cinematography. Nightmare it, which side bad
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opinion on it because that's what you studied.
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Yeah. It is.
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My degree is my University. Little certificate says that.
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I could say bad things about my peas.
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I'm kidding. Well, no.
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And like, there are things that I really liked about it, but the
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stuff that detracted from It detected so much that.
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I still haven't found a way to like the episode too much yet
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there, but there are things I do really like about it.
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So as we've said in the past just because maybe there are
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things, I don't like doesn't mean overall that I've thrown my
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hat in and I'm I'm over it. I'm still like there are still
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things that I think we're very good.
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It's really the execution that I had a problem with.
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Well I'm curious to get into the details of that if I were to sum
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it up from my point of view. I mean, don't make fun of me.
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I won't make fun of this is a safe space, Lee Anne.
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If I could say that, I didn't like it and you're not mad at
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me, then you can say whatever you want and I won't make fun of
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you. Okay, well, this is what I'm
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about to say and I don't think I've said it to you yet, but I
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think it's one of the best things Star Wars has ever giving
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a given us as a fan. And I am so pleased with what
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they gave us do. I think there were problems
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intertwined sure. When are there not opposite of
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you? The Greatness of what I saw
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overpowered the problems that I encountered.
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So you and I are exact opposites.
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But you know what that means? That the scales of the Libra
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scale are balanced. We have brought balance to the
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force of episode 5. Well, I just, I, I hate to even
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talk about like, even like give my opinion this week, because we
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always say that we're like a positive space and that we don't
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talk shit about stuff. And like I have no in, like,
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Wish to take the wind out of anyone's sales on this, you
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know, like it took the wind out of my sails.
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I've been like sad basically since the episode came out
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because I thought it was not that good.
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It's so like do not like not like it was really
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disappointing. Like I want to like it, I really
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do. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. I will brainwash myself into
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liking, you know, eventually, you know, here's the difference
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with. Here's the difference with most
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things Kenobi. We're not shit-talking.
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The fandom we're not shit-talking, Deborah ciao.
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Shit talking, the actors and the actresses.
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We're not saying like everything's ruined.
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Now that there's this problem, that we may have detected, you
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know, it's like we're allowed to have our opinions, whether
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whether they differ, or they're the same, but we don't need to
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be a toxic fan. And I don't think that either of
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us are that, well, we try think we do the opposite, where we try
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very hard to make sure that people have a safe place to
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voice their opinion, and most people have, you know, very Of
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things to say. But anytime we've posted
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anything about Ray. We get a lot of really cruel
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comments not to us but about that character and we don't post
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that kind of stuff like that's not the kind of criticism we
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participated. Yeah.
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Anything just FYI for listeners anything that I'm going to
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criticize in this episode is not meant as like that fucking
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sucked and I'm never watching it again.
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That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's just Are people like
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that out there who are very loud and unfortunately, we see those
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opinions more because they're the loudest, I mean, the squeaky
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wheel, you know, gets the oil. But like right sometimes the
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wheels and this fandom, don't get the oil, they don't get it.
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So sometimes the wheels are broken and it's a broken,
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they're just broken and need to be discarded anyway.
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Yeah, we don't go anywhere we get stuck.
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That's right. Square Wheels there.
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Anyway, what? Do you like to tackle 4, episode
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5? First, well, the warning at the
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beginning, right? My mom asked me about it.
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Oh yeah, yeah. She's like, what was in that
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episode? And I think it was the order 66
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business. It's on every episode now.
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Oh, it is. Yeah, because I thought the same
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thing and that I had to check something.
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And I went back and I was like, ah, so someone bitched about OBS
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be burned alive. Somebody complained not us.
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Maybe someone with children who wasn't expecting to see someone
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said on fire with their kids in the room or something.
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But yeah, so it's not all later. It's the first time ever,
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they've put like a graphic content sort of warning on
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anything Star Wars except when George Lucas said about Revenge
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of the Sith like maybe don't bring your kids to this.
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But right, I thought that was pretty interesting because at
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the end I was like I don't think anything in this episode was
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worse than Sitting over what fires true but I didn't realize
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that it was at the beginning of every episode now.
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That is that's interesting. I didn't notice.
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Yeah, hmm, I thought that was kind of interesting.
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Well okay so it starts right in. Yeah.
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With the flashback. Yeah.
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And it's not Obi-Wan's flashback.
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It's Anakin's. Yeah I end it part of me even
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wondered if it's not even a real flashback, if it's just like
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some scenario that like Vader has created in his mind, true.
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To like, rationalize his behavior now.
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But like, if either way, like I thought it was great and
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something I noticed is the, where their sparring.
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Yeah is where the Younglings are attacked in episode 1.
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Well, doesn't that just tie all together?
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Yeah, it's that's pretty brilliant.
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I first of all, I was not expecting any flashbacks because
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I thought we'd had our moment. Yeah, I was disappointed.
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It wasn't Clone Wars armor flashback only because I want to
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see them. Um, in it, it's just such a tiny
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thing that I want, but we got flashbacks.
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They did their very best to try and hide their ages.
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It is what it is, and the ball and came back the hair.
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The hair is the back and I'm so upset.
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I'm still upset. My heart is literally, I have
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sadness deep in my heart. That was even, it was even
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worse, I think. Because it was like, short on
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top, like it was too. Or three haircuts in one.
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And I just, I want to sob. It was bad, extensions.
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Yes, Obi-Wan had a had a real bad.
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We've okay, really bad. I know, I was thinking, I think
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I was saying to clone wars collector earlier today.
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I was like, at least it's not a wig, like, you can tell it's
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extensions, but honestly, I think it's worse.
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I don't know. It's it wasn't even roller
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brushed and Arab air dried it would they didn't even bother,
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it was just feathered. Who's this flat?
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And weird short around. His face and long I mean that is
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a mullet but Anakin's little tail was just as bad honestly he
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looked he made it look good. Next Obi-Wan's hair looks
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fantastic. Yeah but I will say this it was
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so good to see them using their lightsabers to get together
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again and I will say this, I will say this till the day I
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die. Come at me, I don't care.
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Nobody handles a lightsaber better than Hayden Christensen.
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He did the twirly thing. He's in control.
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He it's the dance that I want from someone wielding a
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lightsaber. It's not a hacking, you know,
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and aggressive messy thing. It's a dance and it's Hayden.
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Had it back in the day and he still got it and they still got
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it. It was great to fucking see.
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And the best part about the flashbacks were the point where
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they were like kneeling and like they came in and they were
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crouched in front of each other, with their life.
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It's a held like two pieces of the yin and the Yang that they
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always talk about especially in the novelization of Revenge of
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the Sith. Like yes they are two pieces of
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the same. What is it?
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Person Jedi puzzle. Yeah, I don't know.
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They're really whatever it was. Well, I really loved the
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symbolism and the dance and the performance of all of it.
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The hair was terrible. The D aging.
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Shit. Failed.
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It's fine. I get it Hayden's.
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Not Anymore. It is what it is.
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I kept that is fine. Like I can handle that.
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It's it least that is less jarring than like if they cgi'd
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him totally like, where you have to Luke.
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It was good. As Luke has looked in the book
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of Boba Fett. Like you weren't going to be
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able to move like these two did with a cgi'd face.
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Like I just can't get over how well Hayden handles.
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I just I'm just in awe every single time I see him flip it, I
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just yes like he's got that signal.
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Mature. Like it Twirls - if act like
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beautiful good. That shit.
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Gives me a fucking boner. Every time I see it, I don't
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care fuckin'-a. I am a little disappointed that
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they went with attack of the Clones age and not Revenge of
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the Sith age was cuz he's still learning.
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I know. And that it's all about like
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like what the lesson was ultimately at the end because as
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yet the the flashbacks move progress, they mirror what's
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happening in the you Day. Yes, which I liked.
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I actually liked the fact that Obi-Wan was always one step
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ahead of Anakin even now because he knew it's his brother.
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It's his best friend and he knows nothing has changed.
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He still the hottie just aggressive impatient student.
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He always had just he's in a black suit now and maimed
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forever, you know. So one of the complaints I have
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is, I don't have a good sense of whether or not like who won
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that, you know, it's very obvious in the flesh.
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Expects, that ob1 was the master there and like Anakin was
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learning and ultimately kind of like failed because of his pride
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or whatever in the present day. I can't really tell because of
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the way they ended the episode, which talking about it now is
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like really jumping ahead. But like they show the sequence
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where OB wouldn't disarms and a kid without a weapon and says
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like your need for victory, blinds you or whatever.
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The the exact phrases that he says, then Anakin instantly uses
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that. Against Riva yeah like right
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away proving that like he now knows like is in control in the
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way that Obi-Wan was between Vader and Reva Vader has The
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High Ground, but when it comes to like Vader vs 0 b 1, I don't
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really know if Obi-Wan was successful, like I could not
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really convinced that he was, I'm even wondering if he's
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playing still right into Vader's hands while the he I think
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there's two things going on. There's the The internal
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problems that Vader's dealing with with his own people.
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And then there's the external relationship issues going on
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with Obi-Wan and this small pack of rebels, but mostly just
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Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan did win with getting the Innocence off that
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planet and getting lay off that planet.
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The battle is not done between these two like obviously, I
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don't know where it's going, because the last shot we see is
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poor precious. Protect him forever, Luke
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Skywalker. Sleeping in bed.
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So it's obviously coming back to Tatooine in some, in some way we
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know Vader can't know about his kids because of, you know,
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original trilogy shit. So I'm not sure how this is
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gonna go down. I know we're skipping ahead.
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We are a bit like it also tastes too.
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I mean, the whole episode is tied together through, so I
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guess skipping around is okay. But like, with the grand,
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Inquisitor comes back at the end, while Rivas laying there on
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the ground like dying Vader. Just stands there.
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While the great Inquisitor, you know, takes her amulet off and
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Vader says that her usefulness has come to an end and it's like
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that's why I'm not convinced now like whatever they were doing
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with the flashbacks is now it was almost like a red herring to
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the audience because it's like so Vader knew who Riva was the
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whole time. That's why he called her
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youngling. He clearly knew who she was.
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He was using her from the beginning.
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Mmm, and now, like doesn't have a need for her be But it's still
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like, Obi-Wan Got Away. Ob1 didn't get away clearly
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Vader. Like, this has to be some like
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larger plan at play, right? Because he's got well, there
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have a designer bag, look, right?
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So they're they're still fucked. That's what the guy wrote down
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fucking poor Leia. Is that another goddamn ship
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with a broken hyperdrive? Trying to outdo him.
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Drink where do you think your impatience for this bullshit
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came from? She ended up with a man who had
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Out of a ship that perpetually would never fucking worked.
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So like her annoyance with this shit started early.
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Like right. We just repeat our childhoods
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over and over, I think. Yeah, I want to talk about my
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favorite part which was Darth Vader.
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Literally just playing with Reba, the amount of power.
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He has he'd even bother to take his lightsaber out.
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Yeah. He was owning her ass and whole
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time Moses Ingram's. Acting I could feel her like
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struggling against Vader even though I mean it's acting,
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right? But it felt like she was
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actually when she was screaming against the force that Vader was
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using against her. I felt that shit and I was like,
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gasping, man, I was I liken it to this to this analogy.
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If you will you ever have a favorite music artist who sings
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your favorite song and then you go to see him or her in concert
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and you can't wait for them to sing that song and then they do
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and they form it perfectly and you're so happy.
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But if they perform it like some remix or some slowdown piano
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version or some, you're like pissed, right?
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Because it changes the total song.
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Okay. Yeah, Vader performed.
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Exactly how I want my fucking Darth Vader to perform.
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That is the dude that scares the piss out of me who owns my
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respect because he just fucking he just flung that woman ever.
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SLI around. And that is what I want out of
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my original characters. I want my original characters to
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maintain. I want them to fuck with them
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and I want to fuck, don't fuck with the end.
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I was so scared that we were going to see something that was
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just gonna like ruin it right? And I didn't see.
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I was so happy. No, I think they've done Vader,
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very well very well live. Like really executed and like,
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I'm sorry but like, when he's holding it shipped down with one
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fucking hand and then lie, Alicia just rips the sides of it
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out, upset. That was fucking amazing.
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I, that was the moment where I kept my hand over my mouth and I
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didn't take it away until we were done with Riva like that.
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That was at the whole sequence. I was just like, oh my fucking
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god. What is happening?
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This is great, oh my God. And so okay, we got a lot of
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parallels with him grabbing that ship I was thinking Starkiller.
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I was thinking isoka in in Clone Wars season 7, I was thinking
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Ray in Skywalker. I mean, we have a lot of
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instances of people pulling ships out of the air, but you
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got to be really fucking strong. Think of the amount of people.
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He's, he's in a league of people who have pulled ships out of.
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The are, those are some strong motherfuckers?
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Yeah. Seriously, two of them are his
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Apprentice. He walked in that cave, lifted
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his hand and took that ship out of the air.
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Oh my God. If I didn't fucking die, and it
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did, that was just the beginning.
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And he, like you said, he ripped those panels out and surprised.
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No one's in there and yeah, because there they go.
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Like, I like that moment a lot because it was it followed that
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moment in the flashback were yes, one says to him you're need
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for victory. Blinds you.
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And there was doing it again. So it's like interesting how
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they were showing that Obi-Wan really knew him very well
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especially when he said he hasn't the patience for a Siege
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and everyone's like about it, you know, that it's like cuz he
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really does know him. And then Vader also shows that
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Anakin learned very well from Obi-Wan but not all the way
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because Not. All right, still got in the way
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of him learning the true meaning of the lesson and you see that
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so beautifully performed by Hayden and like that to me
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getting to see him come back to this character as a much more
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mature man like a more mature actor like he was great in the
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prequels, he had that beautiful smile, you know, that was very
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disarming which we find we got to see again.
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It was it was everything I was but his this performance was so
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like nuance when Obi-Wan said those things to him you could
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just see the like disappointment.
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Yeah. So obvious and not even because
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like he was disappointed that he didn't do it as like that.
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He wasn't getting the respect from Obi-Wan that.
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He felt he deserved whether or not that's Justified that goes
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back to their entire story and how he always felt.
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Yeah. Human.
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You and gave that smile, you know that smile, we got that
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smile from Hayden and we got that smile from you.
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And it was comforting as a Star Wars fan.
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Yeah, that's a really good word for it.
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It was like being young again. You know, I saw those movies in
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the theater. I don't think very highly of
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them but they're part of the story.
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And yeah, these two actors are back.
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I mean, if you'd have told me in 2022 they'd be owning this year.
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I would laugh in your face back in 1999 like yesterday they had
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a lot of shit at the The time, I hope that Hayden is happy.
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I hope he's proud right now. I hope so because we're proud of
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him. Honestly, I think it was like, a
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big deal for both of the actors. We saw it a lot at Celebration
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that thing. It's like, the first time, they
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really realized how deeply loved those characters are, but the
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fandom and like, not just because it's like a classic
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character, it's because of their particular performance, like
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without those performances. And without the prequels there
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isn't Clone Wars. There isn't Rebels, there's not
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bad batch, you don't get any of that, hmm.
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Those shitty prequels that everyone hated on are the reason
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we have anything. Yeah.
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A because otherwise it was just going to be the original trilogy
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and that was kind of that and it's been really really nice as
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a fan to see the positive side for at least Hayden and Ewan.
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I know it Moses Ingram has not had such a positive experience,
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which really just fucking breaks my heart but we love her here
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and plenty of people who do she's getting a A lot more
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support. And it's what we said earlier
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the, the people who scream the loudest or the ones, but they're
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not the majority, you know? Yeah.
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And I think that was the same and you and his even said this
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in interviews that like that was probably the same with the
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prequels. Oh yeah.
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Just there wasn't social media or anything so the people who
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loved it, couldn't get their voices heard.
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It's really just I just feel like really proud of Hayden
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which is stupid because I don't know him.
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I just like to, I hope you feels proud.
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I'm proud of him. You're proud of him.
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There's so many people out there who were, just so happy to see
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him smile again, in the role of Anakin Skywalker.
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I mean, holy shit. What we got in this episode
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like, wow? Well, and to get to see like
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he's, I know, he's inside the Vader suit, but we don't know
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that it literally could be anyone in there.
23:09
Like, I know that he's got the physicality, but like that, they
23:12
gave him a scene where, like, he got to act with his face.
23:16
Yeah, you know, like really got to show himself.
23:19
I think that was really a beautiful thing.
23:21
I'm really glad they gave that I would love more if they want to
23:25
give us more next episode. I'd love to see that but yeah,
23:28
we kind of hoping maybe like. Okay so they started with attack
23:31
of the Clones flashbacks in this one.
23:33
May be the last episode, they'll give us Clone Wars, flashbacks
23:36
to wrap it all up. I mean, I wasn't expecting it
23:40
never gets a moment. Just get please, wouldn't it
23:43
make sense, though. They start a lesson with attack
23:45
of the Clones? And wrap it up next episode in
23:48
the finale with like, the big thing that we all want, you
23:51
know. And if they don't do it, it's
23:53
fine, it's fine. We'll survive, we got what we
23:56
got. I mean, fucking Vader is ripping
23:59
holes out of ships, that he just needed out of the air.
24:01
Like, I'm good. I'm good for a long time folks.
24:07
I just have to say though that like as fun as it was, to see
24:10
them fighting each other and like it was very reminiscent of
24:14
the way they fought in. Revenge of the Sith the part
24:18
where Anakin is like Mercy doesn't defeat the enemy or
24:21
whatever. I was just like if I was Obi-Wan
24:23
to be like red-flagged over six million, five hundred twelve
24:27
thousand like it's like this, we see that we see that repeated so
24:32
much throughout the Clone Wars. Like yeah, he argues against the
24:36
mercy that the Jedi consistently show.
24:40
Yeah. So when he turns, why was that a
24:42
surprise to anybody? Like it's the opposite.
24:46
Everything the Jedi stand for, hmm, like that's insane to me.
24:50
Yeah, it's all about like domination, which is a Sith
24:54
ideal. Like, I don't understand like
24:56
well, you know, denial just Ana River.
25:02
No. It's also called Obi-Wan Kenobi.
25:06
Right? Up to dial, in Yoda Yoda,
25:09
fucking denied, all kinds of shit.
25:10
He was up in the Chancellor's ass all the time and didn't see
25:13
it. You know what I mean?
25:14
So, And there's all kinds of problems that's a different
25:18
episode. But, you know, seriously, we
25:21
should just do like a red flags episode.
25:24
A red flags. Can we do a red flags episode?
25:26
That would be actually fucking brilliant.
25:28
I'm putting it on the list, it's like a series.
25:30
We do rescue exterior, reflects series, The ironic part of his
25:35
little Mercy doesn't save. Anyone is that Luke's Mercy
25:39
literally saved him? Yes.
25:41
Mmm. Can I?
25:42
Okay? Let's just kind of like go back
25:44
through the episode of little bits and We got it.
25:47
We got to talk about some of the sad things there because I just
25:50
cried yeah, like just really quick.
25:54
Like why does he put on a Jedi robe?
25:56
Now I think it's a misuse of like costume as symbolism.
26:01
They don't need it. They don't that was for last
26:03
episode. Yeah, whatever the episode where
26:06
he like rescue slaying. Yeah.
26:08
Like they showed the Jedi lightsabers and then he picks up
26:11
a robe and he puts it on. It's like why.
26:13
Now like when Obi-Wan fights he always Takes his rope off.
26:17
It's true. I mean, there is the actual meme
26:19
of him. Dropping the robe, like one of
26:23
my favorite memes of all time. Did you like the, like, I
26:29
noticed this too? And do you remember?
26:31
It was, was it David on patreon was saying that the first three
26:34
episodes were very similar to the prequels?
26:36
Yes, yes, I'm seeing now that the last three episodes are very
26:39
similar to the original trilogy, and this one was very much like
26:43
Hoth. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
26:45
I got Hot Vibes a lot. And like, even when Obi-Wan is
26:48
giving his speech like everyone, you know, blah, blah blah.
26:51
We, they're stronger. And that was like Leia, giving a
26:54
speech to her Squadron and then somebody steps up and goes.
26:58
All right, everybody, let's go. You heard the band.
27:00
Like yeah, same thing that happens in hot and yeah, so that
27:03
was kind of cool. It's so evident how Leia ends up
27:07
the way she does not that she is, you know, it didn't she
27:12
didn't have it in her, you know, just naturally.
27:14
But she She is picking up all of these things from and when she
27:19
asked about tala, I felt so I mean yeah, that was awful.
27:24
But when they, when she said give me a ladder.
27:27
Yeah, I never felt more proud. I said, this bitch her entire
27:31
life has always just had to do it herself to get shit done.
27:34
You know what I mean? But she pulled.
27:36
Those little gloves out of her pocket and like, put them on
27:39
like she was. Yes, that was so precious.
27:43
I loved that. I loved.
27:44
Also that Obi-Wan show. So much faith in her.
27:47
Yes, he trust you trust me, I trust her.
27:50
Yeah. Like, get her a letter.
27:51
I don't care that she's 10. I just loved like and with
27:53
Ahsoka obviously he knows that it's very children are very
27:57
capable and I think that that must have been so formative for
28:00
Leia to have such an idiot, like a powerful Jedi shows, such
28:04
faith in you to you can handle it, you don't need my help,
28:07
right? Even after her doubting him for
28:09
so long, she probably felt like, you know, a little bit redeemed
28:13
for maybe her dad, and she's Around.
28:16
Yeah. And I'm glad she fixed Lola
28:19
because poor Lola didn't like that tracker on her know.
28:22
That was a really fast transition.
28:25
They only had the Droid be evil for one minute and then back to
28:29
normal. I was just like I was just I was
28:31
just afraid that they were going to have to like smash the thing
28:34
together and I'm glad they didn't go that route.
28:36
I am too. That would have been terrible.
28:38
It's fine. That it was so easy, I can
28:40
handle that. One thing, I noticed that kind
28:43
of annoyed me was when they showed Darth Vader wants,
28:46
Looking up to this cave. This entrance.
28:48
He's walking really fast. Yeah.
28:51
Like I didn't think it was him until they panned up.
28:54
I said oh, that is Vader. What the fuck is he walking so
28:57
fast for? He can't walk that fast.
29:02
He doesn't have real legs. Those aren't real legs and so I
29:05
was like they need to slow that shot down just a smidge.
29:08
Yeah. Like that's the one thing I
29:10
found I was just like, why is he walking so fast?
29:13
I know my man. He doesn't walk that fast.
29:16
Just shit. We're space to instill, because,
29:20
like, my one of my big complaints was Riva walks away
29:23
too slow. And we've a walks way to slow
29:26
way too slow. Oh my god.
29:29
Well, when they pan upwards and all of the Stormtroopers are
29:33
entering the cave. I was like now is the time to
29:35
run folks and no one's running as phone.
29:39
So I get I get that. I get your annoyance with some
29:42
of that that whole sequence like a very even The Storm Troopers
29:47
and the cave door that was thing.
29:49
I think I had the most issue with it was so it was edited so
29:53
badly and like part of it is the new technology.
29:57
Somebody, I think it was a breath of my blood on Instagram.
29:59
Sent me an article about the volume, that new technology,
30:03
they're using to film. Basically, all of the new Star
30:06
Wars stuff, it's like a giant. It's a warehouse that has
30:09
screens that they project all the stuff onto so that it looks
30:13
like they're really in the environment.
30:14
And then they only put Okay, prop pieces basically on the
30:17
floor. So like all the backgrounds, the
30:19
ceiling, the background, everything, but it's changed the
30:22
way they edit. And so they're having to bring
30:24
like editors to the stage to fix post production before they even
30:29
start filming. And it shows it's super weak.
30:32
And there's a lot of like, mistakes in the editing.
30:35
There was a few cuts that were cut in correctly.
30:38
So that the like when you do editing and there's like a an
30:42
action sequence, you show like the beginning of the action and
30:45
then you cut Around that like when you make your Cuts, you cut
30:48
into the same like line but she was forward ahead of the line.
30:53
A few times when they were like pushing her backwards and like,
30:57
not in a technique, it was like a mistake interesting.
31:00
See, I don't know any of this. So I find this very interesting
31:04
and so it makes the scene feel uncomfy.
31:07
It's like awkward, not because it's intentional like because it
31:10
was done wrong and there was all these jump cutting in those
31:15
windows. The like Storm Troopers are
31:16
coming in and everyone's shooting and their lightsabers
31:20
going and there's all these lens flares that are added after
31:23
their like after effects. And then there's all this
31:26
cross-cutting and it's just like a fucking mess.
31:29
You can't see anything. And I know they're trying to add
31:32
energy and give you the sense of the chaos of the battle.
31:36
And I really think it looked like they were covering up bad
31:38
acting. It was just a mess and like the
31:40
cinematography was a fucking mess.
31:43
And every time they would slow down and cut to a person they
31:45
were like, very Re obviously doing a stunt double like body
31:48
flip and it was just, I don't know, well, I'm gonna have to
31:51
re-watch this now that I heard you say that and watch for this
31:55
stuff because as a casual viewer, I don't pick up on these
31:58
nuances. I don't want to just like cast
32:01
shade. This is a new technology and
32:03
they are learning and figuring it out.
32:05
And honestly, when editing was first invented in like 1912 or
32:10
whatever the fuck it was, it was very slow and messed up, then,
32:14
too. But nobody had ever seen That
32:16
before. So nobody thought it was.
32:18
But now when you look back, you're like, wow, it's so boring
32:20
because of the like the way editing was back in the day.
32:25
So this is yeah, it's the same thing now, it's new technology,
32:28
they're figuring it out eventually.
32:30
I'm sure someday it will feel very seamless and it will become
32:33
a new art form. But right now, it's like they
32:35
don't even have the luxury of making it artistic because
32:38
they're too busy trying to like just make it work.
32:41
Yeah, sure. That's why I don't want to like
32:43
talk too much shit about it but to me as a With a film
32:46
background. Definitely notice it, especially
32:50
now, and I noticed it right from the beginning in the
32:52
Mandalorian, it was cut weird that cutting was weird.
32:56
What it does is it messes up the pace of the scene and so it
32:59
takes me out of the experience and all I'm doing is like
33:02
constantly being distracted by the weird editing so that now I
33:06
can't really like enjoy the sequence.
33:08
It makes sense. That's why I feel like really
33:11
sad about it because it's like a fucking action sequence and then
33:15
I went back to The episode one and I looked at the lightsaber
33:19
sequence, right? At the beginning, its film
33:21
totally differently. They keep the people right in
33:23
front of them the whole time and they move with them.
33:26
But like, they don't cut, cut, cut cut, cut, cut, cut.
33:29
Yeah, you get to see the stunt double, do what they do best and
33:32
it looks fucking great. And so I don't know why they use
33:35
this. Jason Bourne technology or
33:37
technique in the new episode, handheld cameras, cross-cutting
33:41
over and over. I just found it like really
33:43
detracted from this story and that's my It's my bitching and
33:47
complaining and how stuff now. So I think it's an educated
33:51
assessment of something we watched.
33:54
I don't think it's bitching and complaining.
33:56
I found that fascinating. I didn't talk at all during that
33:59
because I was literally fascinated by what you're
34:01
telling me. Do you know what?
34:02
I saw a lot of flashes, a lot of running, a lot of chaos and our
34:07
Droid died, tala awful. And I'm sad, I'm still set like
34:15
I almost I watched the episode right before we started
34:17
recording, and I almost started to cry, like I was like, I can't
34:20
cry because if I start, I won't stop.
34:22
I wanted her to make it and Obi-Wan yelling to tala.
34:27
Tala, I mean, he's surrounded by death and sacrifice constantly.
34:32
Yeah. And, oh God, I didn't catch this
34:35
until this last time I watched it and it made it even more
34:38
fucking sad was shot in the abdomen.
34:41
Just like, fucking Qui gonn, 0, and then 0 b, 1 has to stand
34:45
there. Watch helplessly behind this
34:48
barrier as he cannot get to the person.
34:51
He wants to help again like fucking again, it's not a ray
34:55
shield this time it's just the doors closing on him as he's
34:58
like watching her helplessly. I was just like God damn it.
35:02
I mean it's not good but it really made me so sad.
35:06
I'm like they couldn't have done it any other way.
35:08
It was perfect but like yeah, ah fuck.
35:12
That hurts at the whole thing, hurt.
35:14
The whole thing, you know. The constant sacrifice that the
35:18
Rebellion even in these infancy stages that they give, I mean,
35:22
the acting her. The pain in her face, the
35:25
disappeared on her face. Yeah, God.
35:28
I I have chills because I loved every second of that because it
35:32
made me feel in that moment what she felt and if you can do that
35:37
through a screen. Like, right?
35:39
I just and that voiceless Droid what what is that thing because
35:45
it's like, there's So connected. I know I know and the thing is,
35:48
is it came back to what she said?
35:50
Actions speak louder than words, his actions, her actions and
35:55
that final sacrifice she made with her saying, May, the force
36:00
be with you, that was its heart. That moment you're right.
36:04
I'm gonna like cry right now. It's so true.
36:06
You're so right the actions speak louder than words is like
36:09
the thing that sums up her character that was like her
36:12
theme basically got that. Look she gives it As it's like,
36:16
leaning over to protect her the way she touches its chest.
36:18
And that look on her face is just like that actress was
36:21
fucking good. I'm just sad to see her go
36:24
because she brought so much in so few episodes.
36:27
And if you think about it, contrastingly, the Empire talks
36:31
a lot. They're always slinging insults.
36:34
They're always barbed wire words and I'll show you and, and, you
36:39
know, the grand Inquisitor came back and had to be sassy about
36:43
it. And Darth Vader had to be sassy
36:45
about it. It's like, it was painful and
36:48
beautiful. All-in-one.
36:50
And I hated to see tal ago. Yeah, I did too.
36:53
And, and another thing that fucking broke, my heart was the
36:56
message from bail. Oh, God.
37:00
Baal is like not even sure his daughters alive anymore.
37:03
I know, and his brain immediately goes to I'm going to
37:07
help Owen and help Luke. I'm going to go there because,
37:11
yeah, so that's at least haole. I guess we'll get reunited with
37:13
bail. Maybe if they're all going to
37:15
Tatooine bail is quickly, becoming just, like, one of my
37:18
favorite care. He's, he's amazing.
37:22
He's amazing through and through from start to finish.
37:25
And I'm not talking just this show.
37:26
No, because, like, I always liked him, but this show is, is
37:30
giving him a chance to have liked his Humanity, really on
37:33
display, and like his tenderheartedness, which we see
37:36
him very much as a diplomat and all the other situations, but
37:40
this is really given him a chance to be like the family,
37:42
man. Hmm.
37:44
The friend of padmé Amidala as opposed to is always the yeah
37:48
co-worker so to speak. Yeah, yeah, you know and so like
37:52
the fact that he's ready to go and continue protecting Luke
37:56
even though he might have lost his own daughter.
37:58
You know it's like it's such a beautiful and fucking
38:00
devastating terrible. I do Wonder.
38:03
Okay so it's all coming back to tattooing.
38:05
Right? So I have this crazy idea our
38:08
Leia and Luke actually going to see each other and like quote,
38:12
unquote meet at beware and then just Disappear until they find
38:17
each other and on the Death Star.
38:19
Like they wouldn't be able to recognize one another not after
38:22
all that time. And you know how little kids
38:24
don't look anything like specially if they don't know
38:27
each other's names. Yeah, then yeah.
38:30
Because imagine like, if you'd been kidnapped and taken on this
38:34
crazy space journey, then you end up on some desert planet and
38:37
you end up hanging out with some other little boy you probably
38:39
remember that. That boy existed.
38:42
Yeah because it's not like the mundane everyday going to
38:45
school. We'll then coming home and doing
38:47
your homework. It's like I feel like that would
38:49
stick out in her memory. I'm thinking more of like bail
38:52
is taking Leia back to the ship. Obi-Wan and Owen are hanging
38:56
with Luke and Leia and Luke. Just look at each other for a
38:59
moment. That's the kind of moment.
39:00
I'm envisioning happening, no, talking no meeting.
39:04
I'm just saying their eyes connect for the first time and
39:07
like, how impactful would that be knowing that their their
39:11
paths will cross again, it's gonna kill me.
39:14
Hypothesize. Using again.
39:17
I'll die fingers crossed, maybe but I'm yeah, I don't know, I
39:24
don't know where it's going to go.
39:25
I have no idea Riva versus Obi-Wan Vader vs Obi-Wan.
39:29
I mean, I don't know where this is going and I like that.
39:32
Yeah, I like having no idea but I really felt sad for Riva
39:37
because yeah, I'm kind of like lefter.
39:40
Yeah, he like egged her on into that position and then left her
39:43
and I kept thinking he was going to be the one staying behind Me
39:46
too. And this is where my
39:48
disappointment comes in. When he said that Vader, all
39:51
Vader will see is me. I thought it was because this
39:54
was going to be the confrontation, me too, and I
39:58
feel kind of bad. I mean, I get it.
40:00
Obi-Wan had to get those people off that planet.
40:02
That was on brand as we say, Leah, laughs Treva.
40:08
Just like everyone has. Yeah.
40:10
It was ruthless and just like Vader did in the end and like,
40:15
yeah. What do you do in that
40:17
situation? Both sigh.
40:18
It's very asajj. Ventress.
40:22
You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
40:24
You were used to be good and youyou for self-preservation.
40:28
You became bad and then the bad didn't work out.
40:30
So what do you do with yourself? Yeah so I also have like issues
40:35
with this because I can't tell if it's like a writing mistake
40:38
or what the fuck I was but like Obi-Wan, okay, he like gives up
40:41
his weapon and says there's another way that there's other
40:44
ways other than like, fighting, right?
40:46
So he gives himself up sacrifices himself.
40:49
He goes out and talks to Riva says, let's do this together.
40:53
She says, no basically refuses him.
40:57
The smart thing to do was to just keep him right there.
41:00
Yes. Correct.
41:01
Because even so, if she's not going to team up with him,
41:04
Obi-Wan is Right Vader. Will only see him.
41:06
So he should be like right there and then yeah.
41:09
Reva would have surprise on her side.
41:11
So she sends him back into the cave.
41:14
You are aware whose The Jedi Master, right?
41:17
Yeah, like what she was? She trying to like let him
41:21
Escape? I, I do wonder, I do wonder by
41:26
doing that. She set herself up to fail with
41:29
Vader. Like why didn't she think like
41:31
Vader would see that coming a mile away is literally standing
41:34
there by himself, nobody's distracting him.
41:37
She tries to come up and I just thought none of that made sense.
41:40
It wasn't logical so I don't and again, maybe they'll like will
41:44
understand it better after the Next episode, but I just keep
41:49
him keep him there on his knees. Like yeah, well you know, we see
41:53
this all the time. You get the bad guys only get so
41:57
far with capturing someone and then they always Escape, right?
42:00
Like, yeah, cuz they always have to say something right before
42:03
they killed. Yeah, you know, just kill them.
42:05
They never just seal the deal. They talk too much but like I
42:10
get it was it was it was painful.
42:12
Finally, realizing that Riva story is what we Thinking that
42:16
she was. Yeah.
42:18
And then when they showed the flashback of Anakin, oh my God.
42:22
At Order 66 staring at her. It was like Rivas her Requiem.
42:28
Yeah. Basically God, that was rough.
42:32
That was really well done, though.
42:34
Like showing Anakin walk up as Vader walks up, and she's
42:37
basically reliving her worst nightmare.
42:40
It was brutal. The poor innocent child inside,
42:45
you know, No, it was a very similar shot to wengrow Goos
42:49
eyes when he saw the same thing. So yeah, the other we're getting
42:54
Order 66 from a bunch of different perspectives and I
42:59
think she was smart, Riva was smart to play dead.
43:02
I don't think it was weak at all.
43:03
I know she thinks she's weak for doing it.
43:06
But as a child, what can you do? Nothing.
43:10
He slaughtered everyone else around her.
43:12
She was smart to try and do what she could for self-preservation.
43:16
It's just unfortunate that it came to this end.
43:19
I assumed she was. She was wounded before, because
43:23
there's the moment with the seventh Brothers talking to her
43:25
and she touches her abdomen when he mentions Vader.
43:28
Yeah, I always thought that was because she was wounded there as
43:32
a child, I'm assuming. Yeah, yeah.
43:34
And so now we have that confirmed because basically, he
43:36
just stabbed her in the abdomen, the same way like seeing Anakin
43:41
come into the temple and actually like kill the children
43:44
because they didn't show. It last time they just show him
43:46
turn the lightsaber on. Yeah.
43:48
And it Revenge of the Sith. It was, it was really well done.
43:51
It was dark. Let's, let's talk about my
43:54
biggest annoyance. And I know, I know you've got
43:57
agree with me. Why have we not had Obi-Wan
44:00
address his fucking trauma? Yet, he was drugged through fire
44:05
glass by his best friend, after learning that, he actually
44:08
didn't die. And we, he's been from crisis to
44:12
crisis, to crisis to crisis. When are we going to get The
44:16
n-word moment that I think he deserves to have on screen.
44:20
He needs to have it. We got one episode left.
44:23
I just I'm losing any expectation that that's going to
44:27
happen because that's just Star Wars, right?
44:30
We don't get too deep into it. That was one thing I did like
44:33
about the Last Jedi is that they took time to like go into Ray's
44:37
psychological experience, which no one ever really does.
44:42
And they're so busy in this Obi-Wan story.
44:45
Three organizing their action sequences.
44:48
Now that they're not doing the emotional personal stuff and I
44:52
do feel like part of this is the writer has changed.
44:56
You did say that the writer changed.
44:57
Yep. So the first three episodes were
44:59
written by ha seen a meanie which I might be mispronouncing
45:03
that I'm sorry. If I am yes, many apologies.
45:06
Yeah, it's a in a Ronnie and name so I apologize.
45:09
I'm not sure quite of the pronunciation.
45:11
He's a brilliant writer. He wrote the movie Drive, which
45:15
is One of my favorite movies ever, he really understands the
45:19
psychological side of stuff. And so you can see that the
45:23
first three episodes, really reflect that.
45:26
And they got another writer for episode 4, which it did feel
45:29
like that the tone kind of shifted.
45:31
It was a little different. Yep.
45:32
And now there's two, there's a new writer for the last two
45:35
episodes. I don't know why.
45:36
They don't just keep one writer for the whole fucking thing.
45:39
Like why can't one writer write all six episodes?
45:42
I don't get it either. Maybe it's because He was the
45:46
one who wrote the version that was going to be too dark and
45:49
they wanted to like change it but now we're not getting any
45:53
psychological stuff. Yeah, so like someone literally
45:56
is and like, okay, no psychological physiological like
46:01
burns are very serious. They hurt for a long time and
46:06
they tighten as they heal you. So he would lose Mobility like,
46:10
he wouldn't like, that's why Anakin can't lift his arms up
46:14
anymore. Like it's a huge thing.
46:16
Although I will say, I will say they did that right with Vader.
46:19
He never, I was watching very closely, the I was to do
46:22
fighting style on par with. So they they knew that they
46:26
couldn't fuck with at least him all these other ones.
46:28
I think they're trying to have wiggle rooms for the most part.
46:31
We've gotten Obi-Wan is as Obi-Wan, but we want and need
46:35
the the emotional addressing that has to take place for this
46:39
character to fully fully go into the next level of wear.
46:45
Over his story is going from here on out.
46:48
Yeah, and I'm talking with in the show, we don't worry, Story
46:51
Goes obviously but like right within this show and, you know,
46:55
in the detail that it's giving us, that's my only problem.
46:58
Like, like you said, he could have maybe admitted something or
47:02
confided in tala, which would have made her death even more
47:04
terrible because he could have confided in her, like the pain,
47:08
he feels and the loss he's had and then he loses her.
47:12
Like it was just a missed opportunity.
47:13
I think I've really thought he Is going to actually, like when
47:18
he went and listened to the message from bail and then she
47:21
comes in and says, is everything.
47:23
All right? He does this weird.
47:25
Like he crosses his arms over his chest and kind of like gives
47:27
us weird smile. Just like they will be like
47:32
nervous laugh and it's like he had this look like he was gonna
47:37
cry and I was like is he could actually speak?
47:40
And instead she started talking and told her story, which I
47:43
thought was great but like was weirdly time.
47:45
And I was just like Wyatt. Why are we telling this story?
47:47
And now, like it's a weird place for it to go.
47:51
Yeah, it is. That should have been the moment
47:53
that he spoke. Finally.
47:55
Yeah. And then like, they get
47:57
interrupted and it gets cut off, which gives them an excuse for
48:00
Obi-Wan to, like, clam back up normal again.
48:03
But yeah, I don't know, it's not the way I would have written it.
48:06
No, no, it looks like he's going to cry in the very last shots of
48:11
the of the show when he's like, something's wrong.
48:14
Yeah. What do you?
48:15
You meant by that? What was he sensing?
48:18
Because it could have been a few things.
48:19
And I'm not sure what. I'm, not sure what I think he
48:22
said, I don't know, I'm confused.
48:24
I'm really not sure either because he clearly has a bond
48:28
with Vader, but it seemed like he could feel what Revo was do?
48:32
Yes. Yeah.
48:34
Which makes no sense unless he's like some fucking all of a
48:38
sudden, amazing Force wielder who can just feel everything.
48:41
But, but then the last shot was Luke.
48:44
So is he feeling what's thing with Luke that I was just going
48:47
to say, maybe it's like some connection he has with Lucas.
48:50
He held him as a baby and they have some sort of force buns.
48:54
Now, I don't know, it was unclear to me and again, it's
48:58
the kind of thing that like will hinge on the last episode of
49:01
whether or not that was good or bad.
49:04
Yeah. Right please.
49:05
Protect Luke at all costs. Yeah, please that was I loved
49:10
that. See that again, they returned to
49:14
that slow. Very Really made cinematography
49:17
of formation in the Rocks. We don't even have to see it.
49:21
We know exactly what we're going to see right away and then the
49:24
homestead. Yep.
49:25
And that slow-moving in. Careful shot.
49:29
Yep. And then the boy in bed
49:30
sleeping. I mean, it was so peaceful.
49:33
Yes. And we know it's going to not
49:35
be, it's the end of that piece in this moment.
49:38
And I think, I guess if I had to wager a guess, I think Obi-Wan
49:41
feels a disturbance, right? Heading towards Luke.
49:45
Luke. And that's why he's panicking
49:47
because he's torn now, he's got a deal with Leia.
49:50
Not that that's harsh. He has to return Leia safely and
49:54
get back to Luke. And how's he going to do this?
49:56
This orchestration of it's going to be a showdown on Tatooine as
50:00
it always fucking is. And I don't know how it's going
50:04
to happen, I just don't and I'm scared.
50:06
I don't either because the the poster that we all got it
50:11
celebration and that like artwork, that's going around a
50:13
very with his lightsaber lit and Obi-Wan's.
50:15
Any with his hood, you know and his cloak we haven't seen that
50:19
yet but that isn't from the first the glass.
50:22
I don't think so. That was the daylight.
50:24
But yeah, maybe it was, I don't know, but he didn't look so
50:29
terrified in the poster as he did in that scene.
50:32
Well, it would be the ultimate distraction.
50:33
If Bales got to get Leo off that planet and and they got to get
50:37
Luke to a safe place. I'm thinking like Rogue one,
50:39
where Jin had to go like, maybe they have a safe place that they
50:43
have to go too. The only thing left is to take
50:48
Vader away from all of that. He can't know because we know
50:52
that Obi-Wan eventually lives in a house.
50:54
So something's got to happen to his gave.
50:56
Well, it's well, it's like we said Quinlan shows up with a
51:00
case of beer. It's a, how's it Hangin?
51:02
Kenobi? And could always, like, I gotta
51:05
move. I have to move.
51:06
I can't live here anymore, he knows where I live now.
51:08
It's knows where I live. That's so funny.
51:13
God, I wouldn't it be great to see Quinn.
51:15
Then, wouldn't it be nice if you showed up, how about kassian,
51:19
how about Qui-Gon? How about any of the people?
51:21
We were hoping to see. Okay.
51:25
Seriously. Why was Cassie?
51:26
And not a part of this small group.
51:28
Also I've heard plenty of people say calc Estes should have been
51:32
in that group? Oh yeah.
51:34
Well, I don't know. Kanan Kanan could have been in
51:37
that group. Where's Hera?
51:38
And Canaan and Bueller. Like Anyway, I get it.
51:46
I don't decorate, it is real. I'm just torn all the fucking
51:50
time. We're just gonna have to see.
51:52
Yes. And I've always said that,
51:54
they're the professionals. I trust them because like, put
51:57
her expectations and say, that's the thing.
51:59
I went into this episode with no expectation, like literally
52:02
zero. I let go of, I didn't know where
52:04
it was going, I had no. Yeah, in clue and I let go of
52:07
all what I wanted to see. And just like I was just, like,
52:09
okay, just tell me the story. Tell me what you want to tell
52:12
me, and I was like, even more disappointed Maybe I should, I
52:15
hold on to my expectations but it's a I never ever thought that
52:20
I would get to see what I saw and as a fan of Anakin turning
52:25
into Darth Vader and his very emotional and multi-layered
52:30
character development. I really liked what I saw.
52:34
It was fun for me. I had a lot of fun seeing it.
52:37
Well, I'm glad you got this moment.
52:39
It's a it's very moving to finally.
52:42
See some character you love. Get what they deserve.
52:46
And it goes. She had it was, I'm sorry, but
52:49
he had two lightsabers in his hand at one time.
52:52
And that moment was so cool. Just about had to change my
52:58
panties. Sorry mother.
53:02
You want me to leave that in? You can leave it in truth.
53:07
I'm just saying when Anakin had this two lightsabers when he was
53:10
fighting beerus in the Clone Wars.
53:12
Oh yeah, okay. I was getting, I was That moment
53:15
that's all. Well, and that was what Obi-Wan
53:18
did to him. He pulled away right out of his
53:20
hand, but Vader was Vader. Was cocky.
53:24
Enough to give her one like here, you go ahead, broke it in
53:27
half and I know through packed is, like, how cool was it?
53:31
That it was spinning and he just slowly made.
53:34
It stopped spinning. That is so great.
53:37
Listen, he's a boss. I don't care.
53:40
His power is truly something else.
53:42
I mean, holy shit. It was fun.
53:44
It was just fun for me to see. It was the character that I want
53:49
and need. There was a good time.
53:51
A good time was had by all. Bye-bye, all bye.
53:55
Everyone at times except for you moment here.
54:02
Okay, my all right, the thing that I loved Obi-Wan hugged,
54:06
Leia. Yes, why are we not talking?
54:08
Yes, let's end. Let's end with this on a tender
54:12
moment. Yeah, Obi-Wan finally.
54:15
A fucking hug. Seriously, he hugged another
54:18
living creature, like God bless it.
54:21
Grant into his arms. I know, and he just like scooped
54:24
her right up and he said you did so.
54:26
Well, I know this is not a small thing.
54:29
Like this is a man who never hugs anymore.
54:32
We were just talking in the last episode about how he very
54:35
actively tries to not touch anybody.
54:37
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I loved it.
54:39
There was that, I guess Dex is like the only other Pepcid we
54:43
found absolutely yet. Dicks.
54:47
Jack's six-armed hug or whatever so you're ready to God, at least
54:53
Leia. You know, isn't covered in
54:55
cooking grease. That's true.
54:58
Yeah, I just love that. That was like, one of my
55:00
favorite things and to see the way they've like slowly more and
55:03
more in each episode become more dependent on each other, in an
55:07
emotional weight. Not like in a bad way, not like
55:10
codependent, but like there, it's a partnership.
55:12
And we're in this together kind of thing.
55:14
Yes. And they're getting closer.
55:16
And closer emotionally and it's like letting their guard down in
55:19
a good way, that's not making them vulnerable.
55:22
It's actually like making them stronger.
55:23
And that is the most beautiful thing.
55:26
I think about this show, it's one of my favorite things from
55:28
each episode is the moments between Obi-Wan and Leia.
55:31
Specifically, I could not agree more, it's really nice.
55:41
Turning it over to you our listeners.
55:44
What did you all think? Of the flashbacks that we got,
55:47
was it great to see Hayden and Ewan again because I think it
55:51
was. Yeah, I think it was too, but
55:54
maybe maybe there are people who didn't like that part, but I
55:57
think it's, it was a pretty fun thing to see.
56:00
It wasn't for fun. Let us know your thoughts.
56:03
Yeah. Well, except for the, except for
56:05
the hair. Yeah, or maybe not, maybe it
56:07
was. Nice to see an old friend again,
56:09
like the hair and old mullet and all the mullet returns.
56:16
Leave us your thoughts. We'd love to know.
56:19
Join us back here next week for the final installment.
56:24
Episode 6. We're going to dive into that.
56:28
I'm not ready. I'm not ready.
56:31
I'm sad. I don't want it to be over.
56:33
I don't even like, I don't want to face what we're going to have
56:36
to face. We've made it.
56:40
This far. We can do it.
56:41
Yeah, let's get over this Finish Line even though I really don't
56:44
want it to be over. It's just been so, so nice.
56:47
But join us back here next. Week, we'll talk about episode
56:50
6. Last week on the show we
56:53
discussed Kenobi episode 4. And we asked our listeners, what
56:56
they thought the Tomb in the bottom of the inquisitors
57:00
Fortress was for, are those Jedi alive?
57:04
Are they dead? What do the inquisitors want
57:06
with them melody or Ghana an Instagram sent us this message?
57:10
Honestly, I don't think they're dead.
57:12
The orange substance, they're preserved in reminds me of
57:15
mosquitoes trapped in Amber and I didn't see any damage to the
57:19
Jedi bodies. I think there would be blaster.
57:22
Or lightsaber wounds if they were really dead.
57:25
This makes it even worse. This is much worse than
57:28
thinking, that they're dead. And my goodness and this opens
57:31
up a whole new area of questions if they're not dead.
57:36
What are they being used for? And if they're alive, are they
57:41
aware? And who's using them?
57:44
Is it Vader? Is that the inquisitors?
57:47
Is that the emperor? These are questions.
57:49
We may never have answers to and I don't know how I feel about
57:53
that. Thank you so much for joining us
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