Latest / True Crime and Wine Time / Christa Pike Part 1 - The Making of a Killer TCWT PODCAST S6 E36
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- 0:01Speaker 1: For nearly 30 years, the state of Tennessee has tried
- 0:05Speaker 1: to put Krista Gail Pike to death.
- 0:08Speaker 2: At this very moment, she lays in a hospital surviving
- 0:11Speaker 2: two rounds of lethal injections after a botched execution.
- 0:16Speaker 1: At 18, most kids are worrying about high school graduation
- 0:20Speaker 1: or college dorms.
- 0:22Speaker 2: But Krista was sitting in a dark wooded lot carrying
- 0:26Speaker 2: a piece of Colleen Slimmer's skull in her pocket as
- 0:29Speaker 2: a souvenir.
- 0:31Speaker 1: From death row, Krista called it a reckless teenage mistake, saying,
- 0:36Speaker 1: it sickens me now to think I had the ability
- 0:40Speaker 1: to commit such a crime.
- 0:42Speaker 2: It sickens everyone. But if you think Krista Pike just
- 0:46Speaker 2: snapped one night in 1995, you don't know the real
- 0:51Speaker 2: full story.
- 0:54Speaker 1: The ability to kill was engineered across generations of madness,
- 0:58Speaker 1: violent crimes, and and toxic DNA.
- 1:02Speaker 2: Was Krista Pike born a monster, or was she meticulously
- 1:06Speaker 2: crafted by every single adult who was supposed to protect her?
- 1:12Speaker 1: Pour a heavy glass for this one, because to understand
- 1:15Speaker 1: the monster she became, you have to see the nightmare
- 1:18Speaker 1: that birthed her. Welcome to True Crime and Wine Time.
- 1:23Speaker 1: I'm Terri.
- 1:24Speaker 2: And I'm Lana.
- 1:25Speaker 1: Tonight, We are uncorking the truth behind one of the
- 1:29Speaker 1: darkest crimes and breaking it down together with you.
- 1:33Speaker 3: One case, one conversation, and one or maybe two glasses
- 1:37Speaker 3: of wine to take the edge off. It's time to
- 1:39Speaker 3: get comfortable and double check those locks before we get started.
- 1:43Speaker 1: So let's take a sip and dive in. Hello, everyone.
- 2:06Speaker 1: Welcome back to True Crime and Wine Time. And I'm Terry.
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- 3:30Speaker 2: That's right. Now, before we get into the story tonight,
- 3:33Speaker 2: just a few quick announcements. I've been on a hiatus
- 3:36Speaker 2: this week because of house renovation. So I was quite
- 3:39Speaker 2: with Lama. We haven't been doing anything over there, but
- 3:41Speaker 2: I'm back tomorrow morning with Buffy getting back into the
- 3:46Speaker 2: Hanvey returnable. And Monday we are diving deep into massager
- 3:50Speaker 2: two sets versus Eden Carney. So I'm very excited to
- 3:54Speaker 2: be back. I've missed all of you even over here.
- 3:58Speaker 2: It's been boring.
- 3:59Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 4:01Speaker 1: Now, also tomorrow, right here on this channel, True Crime
- 4:05Speaker 1: and Wine Time, we are back with our deep dive
- 4:08Speaker 1: into the people behind the Netflix documentary, The Crash.
- 4:13Speaker 2: Okay.
- 4:13Speaker 1: We've talked about Mackenzie. We've talked about Dom. We've talked
- 4:16Speaker 1: about Davian. Last week, we read some of Dom and
- 4:21Speaker 1: Sharila's text messages. We're going to continue that craziness tomorrow
- 4:26Speaker 1: at 2 p.m. Eastern, right here.
- 4:28Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 4:29Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 4:31Speaker 2: That's my teenage boy. I'm Dominic. Yeah.
- 4:35Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Lama, why don't you break it down for everyone?
- 4:38Speaker 1: What crazy story are we diving into tonight?
- 4:42Speaker 2: Well, tonight we are kicking off part one of our
- 4:48Speaker 2: multi-part series on Krista Pike, the youngest woman ever sentenced
- 4:53Speaker 2: to death in modern U.S. history for the horrific murder
- 4:57Speaker 2: of of Colleen Slimmer. Now, this is going to be
- 5:02Speaker 2: a very long story, probably the longest series we've done yet.
- 5:05Speaker 2: And you all know how long the Robert Hansen one was.
- 5:09Speaker 2: But we dived real deep into this. We've been working
- 5:12Speaker 2: on it for quite a while, actually. But, you know,
- 5:15Speaker 2: the turn of events recently has kind of brought it
- 5:18Speaker 2: way back into the news. Now, We're going to be
- 5:21Speaker 2: spending a lot of episodes talking about Krista's childhood leading
- 5:26Speaker 2: up to the horrific murder. And then, of course, the
- 5:29Speaker 2: story doesn't end after her sentencing. It gets just as crazy.
- 5:35Speaker 2: There's more prison crimes, even an attempted escape. And, of course,
- 5:40Speaker 2: the botched execution that took place just last week on
- 5:43Speaker 2: September 30th. And if you thought the story of Sarah
- 5:47Speaker 2: Hartsfield that we just did had many twists and turns,
- 5:50Speaker 2: well then buckle up because this one is even crazier. Now,
- 5:55Speaker 2: I will say that this was probably one of the
- 5:57Speaker 2: hardest stories to research and write because it truly is horrific.
- 6:03Speaker 2: And I know I've had to take many breaks reading,
- 6:06Speaker 2: working on this because it does get heavy really fast.
- 6:11Speaker 2: And some of you may not be around for certain
- 6:13Speaker 2: parts of it. And that is more than understandable. We
- 6:17Speaker 2: will warn you before we get into certain topics. And
- 6:20Speaker 2: of course, after this episode is over, there will be
- 6:24Speaker 2: timestamps in the description of our YouTube video. So you
- 6:27Speaker 2: can skip around to your liking because it's some really
- 6:31Speaker 2: heavy disserving stuff. Um, But I think, too, that there
- 6:36Speaker 2: are a lot of interesting questions and conversations to be
- 6:39Speaker 2: had as we make our way through the last 51
- 6:43Speaker 2: years of Krista's life. I think there's going to be
- 6:46Speaker 2: a lot of differing opinions. And I think that's really great.
- 6:50Speaker 2: As long as everybody can be respectful of each other's
- 6:54Speaker 2: perspectives in the live chat and the comment section, please
- 6:57Speaker 2: and thank you.
- 6:59Speaker 1: Yeah, guys. This whole story is a wild, wild ride.
- 7:04Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about insanity. We're into some crazy
- 7:08Speaker 1: stuff with this story.
- 7:10Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
- 7:12Speaker 1: So tonight I am sipping on a St. Super Rose.
- 7:16Speaker 1: It's what I got left because I had this pregame
- 7:20Speaker 1: because I knew this was going to be rough.
- 7:23Speaker 2: Well, I've got these two little mini cut water margaritas
- 7:27Speaker 2: because that's all they have for little ones. Oh, that's
- 7:29Speaker 2: not the right one. I got a mango one and
- 7:31Speaker 2: a strawberry one. They're my new favorite thing. They're made
- 7:34Speaker 2: with tequila. And unlike other like similar beverages, it doesn't
- 7:38Speaker 2: give me heartburn. And it's like 10 to 12% alcohol.
- 7:42Speaker 2: So you can't go wrong. And you can get them
- 7:44Speaker 2: at the gas station.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Gas station cocktails.
- 7:49Speaker 2: Look how tiny they are in my hand. Oh, they're delicious.
- 7:52Speaker 1: Are they? Now, guys, pour yours up if you haven't already.
- 7:56Speaker 1: And with that, let's get into the story of Krista Gayle.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Now, we like to comfort ourselves with the idea that
- 8:04Speaker 2: we all start life on an even playing field, that
- 8:08Speaker 2: we're all born with clean slates and infinite potential. But
- 8:13Speaker 2: for some, the game is rigged before they even take
- 8:16Speaker 2: their first breath.
- 8:18Speaker 1: When a child inherits generations of untreated trauma, severe mental illness,
- 8:24Speaker 1: domestic violence, and unchecked physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, The
- 8:30Speaker 1: cards aren't just stacked against them. They're practically burned before
- 8:35Speaker 1: they even leave the womb.
- 8:37Speaker 2: Now, to understand the nightmare Krista Pike would eventually unleash,
- 8:41Speaker 2: you have to understand the nightmare world she was about
- 8:44Speaker 2: to inherit. And it begins on her mother's side of
- 8:47Speaker 2: the family.
- 8:50Speaker 1: Take her maternal grandfather, Chris Fotos. By 11th grade, Chris's
- 8:55Speaker 1: explosive temper had already severed his ties to normal society
- 9:00Speaker 1: as he got expelled from school after he and his
- 9:03Speaker 1: brother brutally beat a teacher.
- 9:07Speaker 2: Yeah, his grandfather, y'all.
- 9:09Speaker 4: The grandfather.
- 9:10Speaker 1: We're not starting out great.
- 9:11Speaker 2: No, it's not starting out great.
- 9:13Speaker 3: No.
- 9:14Speaker 2: Then at 16, he turned the same rage at his
- 9:18Speaker 2: own father. Chris then walked out the door of his
- 9:21Speaker 2: parents' home and didn't look back. He would eventually carve
- 9:25Speaker 2: out a living by running a meat butchering business, a
- 9:29Speaker 2: trade where violence and blood were just part of the
- 9:33Speaker 2: daily routine.
- 9:35Speaker 1: When Chris was 26 years old, he set his sights
- 9:38Speaker 1: on a bride, a 15-year-old girl named Zola Privet, who
- 9:43Speaker 1: only had a sixth grade education. Now I want you
- 9:46Speaker 1: to pause and think on that for a second, okay?
- 9:50Speaker 1: That's a 26-year-old grown-ass man marrying a child who barely
- 9:56Speaker 1: made it past middle school.
- 9:58Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not great.
- 10:00Speaker 1: And in any era, the power of dynamics is disturbing, okay?
- 10:06Speaker 1: But Zola was already a deeply broken young girl long
- 10:10Speaker 1: before Chris's photos entered the frames.
- 10:14Speaker 2: Now, Zola's father, Henry Privet, was a violent, sadistic alcoholic
- 10:22Speaker 2: who turned his own home into a torture chamber for
- 10:25Speaker 2: his eight children. The abuse was so horrific, so inescapable,
- 10:32Speaker 2: that local rumors circulated that even the Ku Klux Klan,
- 10:38Speaker 2: a group built on hatred, stepped in, barring and feathering
- 10:43Speaker 2: Henry Privet. and leaving him for dead in an act
- 10:46Speaker 2: of vigilantism. Now, Henry survived, but his children were permanently marked.
- 10:53Speaker 2: I mean, that's fucking nuts.
- 10:55Speaker 1: That says a lot, okay? Like, if the KKK doesn't
- 11:00Speaker 1: like you and you're the same color as them, you
- 11:03Speaker 1: know you done screwed up. Now, the severe trauma spawned
- 11:08Speaker 1: a lineage plagued by psychological ruin in shocking violence. One
- 11:16Speaker 1: of Zola's sisters, Dorothy, married a convicted child rapist named
- 11:21Speaker 1: Bill Howell, who at one point had beat Dorothy so severely,
- 11:26Speaker 1: she required emergency hospitalization.
- 11:30Speaker 2: Just a really stand-up side of the family already. Just
- 11:33Speaker 2: really now. Now, another sister, Norma, would later go on
- 11:39Speaker 2: to attempt murder... And we'll hear more about her later.
- 11:43Speaker 2: Don't worry. Norma comes back around a few times. Then
- 11:47Speaker 2: there's Geraldine, another sister who suffered from terrifying delusions, claiming
- 11:53Speaker 2: God spoke directly to her. And if you go further
- 11:57Speaker 2: up the family tree, there's a great aunt who spent
- 12:00Speaker 2: years locked away in an asylum. I mean, that is
- 12:04Speaker 2: a lot of family trauma.
- 12:06Speaker 1: It is. And Totem, nice to see you here. Yes,
- 12:11Speaker 1: we have Take Your Kid to Work Day. Let's hope
- 12:14Speaker 1: none of these people took their children to work.
- 12:17Speaker 3: Okay?
- 12:18Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.
- 12:19Speaker 1: As for Zola herself, her own daughter Carrie, Krista's aunt,
- 12:24Speaker 1: would later describe her mother as a deeply troubled, sexually preoccupied,
- 12:30Speaker 1: pathological liar drowned in a severe, lifelong battle with alcoholism.
- 12:38Speaker 1: That's a cocktail.
- 12:39Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, out of Kristen Zola Photo's tumultuous marriage came
- 12:45Speaker 2: at least two daughters, Carrie and her younger sister, Carissa,
- 12:49Speaker 2: the girl who would grow up to be Kristen Pike's mother.
- 12:55Speaker 1: From the very beginning, Carissa's life was defined by pain.
- 12:59Speaker 1: She suffered from a severe blood dyscrasia, dyscrasia?
- 13:04Speaker 2: Dyscrasia, I think it is.
- 13:05Speaker 1: Dyscrasia. a serious disorder that forced her into a revolving
- 13:09Speaker 1: door of hospital visits.
- 13:12Speaker 2: Before she could even establish a normal childhood, she failed
- 13:17Speaker 2: the first grade, not because she lacked intelligence, but because
- 13:20Speaker 2: her own body was constantly keeping her confined to a
- 13:24Speaker 2: hospital bed.
- 13:26Speaker 1: But while Carissa fought her own physical battles, the chaos
- 13:30Speaker 1: inside the photos home was spiraling out of control. driven
- 13:35Speaker 1: by her father's deepening addiction.
- 13:39Speaker 2: Now, following a major surgery, Chris, photos, was prescribed painkillers.
- 13:45Speaker 2: And what began as medical treatment rapidly metastasized into a
- 13:50Speaker 2: crippling 20-year-long intravenous addiction. His drug of choice, Tauin, a
- 13:58Speaker 2: powerful synthetic opioid that, when abused, can trigger severe hallucinations, paranoia,
- 14:05Speaker 2: and complete detachment from reality. I had never heard of
- 14:09Speaker 2: this drug before until we started this. Do people even
- 14:13Speaker 2: take that? I've never even heard of it.
- 14:15Speaker 1: I don't think they take it anymore. I heard about
- 14:18Speaker 1: it from another case.
- 14:21Speaker 2: This is very old timey. I've heard of it.
- 14:24Speaker 1: So it was like one of those first synthetics they did.
- 14:27Speaker 2: It sounds horrific.
- 14:28Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 14:30Speaker 4: Wow.
- 14:31Speaker 1: As his daughter, Carrie, would later testify under oath, When
- 14:34Speaker 1: Chris was under the influence of Talwin, he wasn't just impaired.
- 14:39Speaker 1: He was completely gone. He had no concept of who
- 14:43Speaker 1: he was, where he was, or what he was capable
- 14:48Speaker 1: of doing.
- 14:48Speaker 2: Now, in that hallucinatory, unpredictable state, the house became even
- 14:54Speaker 2: more of a minefield. Chris was quick to threaten violence
- 14:59Speaker 2: against anyone who crossed him. a threat he made terrifyingly
- 15:04Speaker 2: real when he pulled a loaded gun on his own daughter, Carrie. Now,
- 15:11Speaker 2: his explosive volatility eventually collided head-on with the federal law enforcement. Remember,
- 15:19Speaker 2: this is the guy who got expelled from school for
- 15:21Speaker 2: beating up his teacher, beat up his dad. Now, oh
- 15:26Speaker 2: my goodness, and now the federal government, oh my goodness.
- 15:29Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 15:30Speaker 1: And when the IRS launched an investigation into Chris for
- 15:33Speaker 1: tax evasion, he didn't hire a lawyer. No, he instead
- 15:39Speaker 1: armed himself, walked straight into a federal courtroom with a
- 15:44Speaker 1: concealed firearm. And in the middle of the proceedings, Chris
- 15:48Speaker 1: flew into a rage, screaming at the presiding judge and
- 15:52Speaker 1: declaring that he had brought the gun specifically to unseat him.
- 15:59Speaker 2: Just normal everyday occurrences, apparently. As one does.
- 16:04Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me see how that worked out for him. U.S.
- 16:07Speaker 1: Marshals wrestled his butt to the ground before he could
- 16:11Speaker 1: pull the trigger. He was convicted, fined, and placed on probation.
- 16:15Speaker 4: Can you believe that?
- 16:18Speaker 1: Probation.
- 16:19Speaker 4: Yes.
- 16:20Speaker 2: For pulling a gun on a federal judge. What is happening?
- 16:26Speaker 2: That's wild.
- 16:27Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 16:29Speaker 2: Now, inside the home, though, there were no marshals to
- 16:35Speaker 2: step in. For young Carissa photos, growing up sick, isolated,
- 16:40Speaker 2: and surrounded by explosive, drug-fueled rage wasn't an anomaly. It
- 16:46Speaker 2: was just another day in the family.
- 16:51Speaker 1: When Chris and Solo were absent, the terror inside the house,
- 16:55Speaker 1: it didn't pause. The caregiver's duties persisted. were often passed
- 16:59Speaker 1: to Krista's aunt, Norma Privet. To the outside world and
- 17:04Speaker 1: to her sister Zola, Norma was the picture-perfect, helpful relative.
- 17:10Speaker 1: But the moment the door closed and the adults were gone,
- 17:14Speaker 1: a new terror would begin.
- 17:16Speaker 2: Now, Carrie would later recall the dread that set in
- 17:21Speaker 2: when Norma was left in charge. As we said earlier,
- 17:24Speaker 2: Norma apparently was suspected of attempted murder. And yeah, so
- 17:30Speaker 2: that's totally normal. Now, the emotional abuse was constant from her,
- 17:36Speaker 2: but the physical violence was cruel and deliberate. Norma would
- 17:42Speaker 2: grab young Carrie by the handfuls of her hair, literally
- 17:47Speaker 2: dragging the young girl across the floor and through the
- 17:50Speaker 2: house while her sister Carissa watched. Norma's cruelty wasn't an
- 17:57Speaker 2: accident at all. It ended up being pretty much a
- 18:01Speaker 2: sport for her. She got a lot of joy out
- 18:03Speaker 2: of torturing children. Now, to escape.
- 18:07Speaker 1: The house, Carrie and Carissa spent endless hours at their
- 18:10Speaker 1: father's butcher shop.
- 18:12Speaker 2: There you go, Totem.
- 18:13Speaker 1: See? Yeah, where you don't want to take kids, in
- 18:17Speaker 1: my opinion. My opinion. But running from one chaotic environment
- 18:22Speaker 1: into another chaotic, did nothing to heal the damage. The
- 18:25Speaker 1: violence wasn't just around them. It was slowly becoming a
- 18:31Speaker 1: part of them. And Carissa was absorbing every single bit
- 18:37Speaker 1: of it.
- 18:38Speaker 2: Now, as Carissa grew older, her own behavior began mirroring
- 18:43Speaker 2: the hostility of her father and aunt. She developed a fierce,
- 18:49Speaker 2: volatile streak, routinely threatening friends, family, and strangers alike with
- 18:55Speaker 2: physical violence. But inside the photos household, nobody batted an
- 19:01Speaker 2: eye about it because that's just what they do.
- 19:04Speaker 1: To them, it was normal, sadly, sounds like. As Carrie
- 19:10Speaker 1: later explained, in their world, violence wasn't just seen as
- 19:14Speaker 1: a problem or a last resort. It was the default
- 19:17Speaker 1: solution to pretty much everything. They lived by a localized,
- 19:23Speaker 1: almost primitive code where every conflict was settled with a
- 19:27Speaker 1: fist or a weapon. It was the Hatsfields and McCoys mentality.
- 19:35Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if dad is willing to take a
- 19:37Speaker 2: gun to a federal judge, I can't imagine.
- 19:40Speaker 1: And who pulls a gun on their own child?
- 19:48Speaker 2: Now, by their teenage years, the sisters were completely out
- 19:52Speaker 2: of control. Seeking an escape from the toxicity at home,
- 19:57Speaker 2: Carrie and Carissa turned to the streets. They skipped school,
- 20:02Speaker 2: snuck into local bars, smoked marijuana, and consumed whatever drugs
- 20:08Speaker 2: or alcohol they could lay their hands on.
- 20:10Speaker 1: What started as teenage rebellion rapidly hardened into a lifestyle.
- 20:18Speaker 1: Carissa was spiraling into severe alcoholism, growing up into a
- 20:24Speaker 1: woman her own sister would later describe as deeply immature,
- 20:28Speaker 1: completely irresponsible, and hopelessly addicted. And This was the woman
- 20:36Speaker 1: who was about to bring Krista Pike into the world.
- 20:40Speaker 2: Now, despite the chaos, the chronic illnesses, and the new
- 20:45Speaker 2: spiraling addiction, Carissa did manage to cross one milestone by
- 20:50Speaker 2: graduating high school. But her attempt at building a normal
- 20:55Speaker 2: life immediately collapsed into familiar territory when, at just 17
- 21:01Speaker 2: years old, Carissa married a man named named James Ferguson.
- 21:08Speaker 1: If she was searching for an escape from her father's household,
- 21:12Speaker 1: she didn't find it. Instead, she stepped right back into
- 21:17Speaker 1: the cycle. James was violently, brutally abusive. Yet, in the
- 21:25Speaker 1: middle of a volatile war zone, Carissa became pregnant and
- 21:29Speaker 1: gave birth to a daughter, Alicia.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Now, Alicia would grow up with front row seats to
- 21:36Speaker 2: the carnage of her parents' marriage. She would later describe
- 21:40Speaker 2: her home life as a pressure cooker of extreme violence
- 21:46Speaker 2: and deep deceit. James was prone to sudden, terrifying outbursts
- 21:52Speaker 2: of rage. Even so that at one point, he fired
- 21:57Speaker 2: a loaded gun directly at Carissa and while she was
- 22:01Speaker 2: carrying baby Alicia in her arms. Now, for her part,
- 22:06Speaker 2: Carissa was unraveling in her own ways. While claiming to
- 22:11Speaker 2: be at church, she was secretly carrying on multiple affairs
- 22:16Speaker 2: with a lot of different.
- 22:19Speaker 1: Now, amidst the infidelity and the flying bullets, there was
- 22:23Speaker 1: a damaging emotional void. Alicia would later testify that she
- 22:28Speaker 1: could not recall a single instance where her mother ever
- 22:33Speaker 1: hugged her or a single moment she was ever allowed
- 22:36Speaker 1: to sit on Carissa's lap. The physical abuse was loud,
- 22:42Speaker 1: but the emotional neglect was deafening.
- 22:47Speaker 2: Now, predictably, the marriage between Carissa and James imploded in 1974.
- 22:54Speaker 2: after just a few turbulent years, and ended in divorce. Remarkably,
- 22:59Speaker 2: through sheer willpower or necessity, Carissa managed to complete nursing school.
- 23:06Speaker 2: And even as her alcoholism deepened, she managed to maintain
- 23:12Speaker 2: a double life. She was able to function enough to
- 23:15Speaker 2: wear the uniform of a caretaker by day, while continuing
- 23:19Speaker 2: to sink into addiction and chaos by night. I mean,
- 23:23Speaker 2: that is just her mother's side of the family.
- 23:25Speaker 1: I know, like, that's just maternal side.
- 23:28Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness.
- 23:32Speaker 1: To understand Krista Pike's genetic blueprint, you have to be
- 23:36Speaker 1: fair and look at both sides of the coin. Because
- 23:39Speaker 1: while the Fotis lineage was a sprawling web of public
- 23:43Speaker 1: violence and open chaos, the Pike family history carried a
- 23:48Speaker 1: different kind of burden. Enter Emil Glenn Pike.
- 23:54Speaker 2: Now, Glenn was born and raised in Beckley, West Virginia,
- 23:57Speaker 2: a town built on backbreaking labor, coal dust, and tough survival.
- 24:04Speaker 2: His father split his life between the dangerous depths of
- 24:08Speaker 2: the local coal mines and hard plumbing work, while his mother, Delpha,
- 24:13Speaker 2: ran the household.
- 24:15Speaker 1: Growing up, Glenn was routinely subjected to being beaten with
- 24:19Speaker 1: switches and leather belts whenever he stepped out of line.
- 24:24Speaker 1: The physical pain left a deep, permanent mark on him,
- 24:28Speaker 1: so much so that a young Glenn swore a quiet,
- 24:32Speaker 1: desperate oath to himself that if he ever had children
- 24:36Speaker 1: of his own, he would never lay a switch on them.
- 24:41Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, that is not what happened. That oath was broken.
- 24:47Speaker 2: Now, at just 13 years old, Glenn's world was completely shattered.
- 24:53Speaker 2: His father suffered a massive fatal heart attack, dropping dead
- 24:58Speaker 2: and leaving the family financially destitute. And suddenly, that young
- 25:03Speaker 2: boy was forced to grow up overnight.
- 25:08Speaker 1: Desperate to save the family farm from foreclosure, Glenn and
- 25:12Speaker 1: his mother, Delpha, packed up what little they owned, abandoned
- 25:15Speaker 1: their roots in West Virginia, and headed to Indiana in
- 25:19Speaker 1: search of work.
- 25:21Speaker 2: It was a grueling, destabilizing move that ripped Glenn out
- 25:26Speaker 2: of his childhood and thrust him into survival mode. He
- 25:31Speaker 2: was just a young, grieving boy carrying the weight of
- 25:34Speaker 2: his family's financial survival on his shoulders, completely unaware of
- 25:40Speaker 2: the toxic storm he would eventually face collided with in
- 25:44Speaker 2: the years to come.
- 25:47Speaker 1: In 1966, the heavy hand of fate intervened once again.
- 25:53Speaker 1: Glenn was drafted into the military and shipped halfway across
- 25:56Speaker 1: the world to the dense, brutal jungles of Vietnam. The
- 26:01Speaker 1: combat was relentless, and the toll on Glenn's body was immediate.
- 26:07Speaker 2: While deployed, he contracted hepatitis, a severe liver disease, and
- 26:13Speaker 2: was shot in the neck during a firefight. narrowly escaping
- 26:18Speaker 2: with his life. When he was finally discharged, he returned
- 26:23Speaker 2: home to West Virginia, physically scarred and emotionally drained, and
- 26:28Speaker 2: moved back in with his mother. Back home, however, the
- 26:32Speaker 2: economy in West Virginia was dead. Unable to find steady work,
- 26:39Speaker 2: Glenn made a desperate choice in 1973, and he re-enlisted
- 26:42Speaker 2: in the Army.
- 26:47Speaker 1: During his service in Southeast Asia, Glenn had been reportedly
- 26:51Speaker 1: exposed to Agent Orange, a deadly toxic tactical herbicide sprayed
- 26:56Speaker 1: by the military to clear jungle foliage. What soldiers weren't
- 27:01Speaker 1: fully warned about at the time, because the government isn't
- 27:05Speaker 1: your friend, was that Agent Orange was laced with dioxin,
- 27:11Speaker 1: one of the most toxic chemical compounds known to science.
- 27:15Speaker 2: It is very serious. If you don't know about Agent Orange,
- 27:19Speaker 2: please go give it a Google. It's horrifying. Now, it
- 27:24Speaker 2: didn't just cause cancer and neurological damage in the men
- 27:28Speaker 2: who breathed it in. It poisoned their very genetic code.
- 27:33Speaker 2: Military medical briefings would later deliver a terrifying warning to
- 27:38Speaker 2: veterans like Glenn. Exposure to Agent Orange carries a high
- 27:43Speaker 2: risk of causing severe heartburn. horrific birth defects in their
- 27:47Speaker 2: future children, particularly conditions like spina bifida, where a baby's
- 27:53Speaker 2: spine fails to properly develop in the womb.
- 27:57Speaker 1: By the mid-1970s, Glenn was stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
- 28:04Speaker 1: After receiving an honorable discharge in 1976, he headed back
- 28:08Speaker 1: to Beckley, West Virginia.
- 28:11Speaker 2: Now, he was a combat veteran carrying physical wounds, toxic
- 28:16Speaker 2: chemical exposure, and the unaddressed trauma of war. And attempting
- 28:22Speaker 2: to build a stable life on his own terms, Glenn
- 28:25Speaker 2: decided to carve out a new path on the land
- 28:28Speaker 2: he had fought so hard as a child to save.
- 28:31Speaker 2: And he opened a motocross racetrack right on the family farm.
- 28:37Speaker 2: Glenn made a.
- 28:37Speaker 1: Brief, ill-fated attempt at settling down. marrying a woman named
- 28:42Speaker 1: Joanne Lilly in 1974. The marriage was dead on arrival,
- 28:47Speaker 1: collapsing into a divorce after just a few short months.
- 28:52Speaker 1: But fresh off the breakup, Glenn met Carissa Fotos.
- 28:57Speaker 2: Now, on paper, they were two damaged people looking for
- 29:01Speaker 2: a fresh start. But in reality, they were a match
- 29:05Speaker 2: thrown directly into a bowl of gasoline. Okay, it's not
- 29:09Speaker 2: Two people who should have never met, ever. Now, their
- 29:12Speaker 2: entire social life revolved around one thing, alcohol. And just
- 29:19Speaker 2: like Carissa, Glenn was fighting a severe, crippling battle with alcoholism.
- 29:25Speaker 1: But while Carissa, against all odds, managed to maintain her
- 29:29Speaker 1: career as a working nurse, what is known as a
- 29:34Speaker 1: functioning alcoholic, Glenn couldn't keep his footing. plagued by his
- 29:39Speaker 1: wart injury. trauma, and heavy drinking, he was completely incapable
- 29:45Speaker 1: of holding down a steady job.
- 29:46Speaker 4: But despite the parade of red flags and the constant instability,
- 29:55Speaker 4: the two moved fast forward And in 1975, Glenn Pike
- 30:00Speaker 4: and Carissa Photos officially tied the knot.
- 30:05Speaker 1: Two lineages, one defined by generations of severe mental illness,
- 30:10Speaker 1: physical torture, and open violence. The other, burdened by war trauma,
- 30:16Speaker 1: heavy addiction, and toxic chemical exposure, had officially collided.
- 30:21Speaker 2: That's not a good combo.
- 30:24Speaker 1: This was the lineage waiting in the wings. This was
- 30:27Speaker 1: the legacy long before Christa Gale Pike ever drew her
- 30:31Speaker 1: first breath.
- 30:34Speaker 2: Now, almost immediately after saying, I do, Carissa discovered she
- 30:39Speaker 2: was pregnant. But it didn't bring celebration. No, instead, inside
- 30:46Speaker 2: the family, it sparked immediate rage. Zola, our mother, was furious.
- 30:53Speaker 2: Because in a family already drowning in poverty, addiction, and chaos,
- 31:00Speaker 2: another baby wasn't seen as a blessing. It was just
- 31:04Speaker 2: another mouth to feed and another burden on a lineage
- 31:07Speaker 2: that was already buckling under its own weights.
- 31:12Speaker 1: Unwelcomed by her grandmother before she even arrived, Krista, the
- 31:17Speaker 1: unborn child, was immediately exposed to severe trauma. irreversible danger
- 31:22Speaker 1: inside her mother's womb. Years later, Carissa would flatly deny
- 31:27Speaker 1: using substances while carrying Krista. But according to her husband, Glenn,
- 31:33Speaker 1: Carissa was drinking alcohol at least once a week and
- 31:36Speaker 1: getting higher on marijuana multiple times a month throughout her pregnancy.
- 31:42Speaker 4: I'll be honest.
- 31:43Speaker 2: I think Glenn was being very generous here to her
- 31:46Speaker 2: based on everything I know, but okay. Now, the alcohol
- 31:53Speaker 2: crossed the placenta, inflicting severe structural damage directly onto Krista's
- 31:59Speaker 2: developing brain. The frontal lobe, the critical command center responsible
- 32:04Speaker 2: for things like impulse control, emotional regulation, judgment, and empathy
- 32:10Speaker 2: was permanently altered before Krista ever drew her first breath.
- 32:16Speaker 1: As if toxic chemical exposure wasn't enough, the pregnancy took
- 32:20Speaker 1: a sudden violent physical turn. Working as a licensed practical
- 32:25Speaker 1: nurse on a high-risk psychiatric unit during her evening shifts,
- 32:30Speaker 1: a heavily pregnant Carissa was confronted by a newly admitted
- 32:33Speaker 1: patient suffering from delirium tremens, a violent severe form of
- 32:40Speaker 1: alcohol withdrawal. Without warning, the patient snapped, grabbing Carissa and
- 32:46Speaker 1: hurling her through a set of double swinging doors where
- 32:50Speaker 1: she was slammed hard into a heavy metal supply cart.
- 32:55Speaker 2: Now, the blunt force impact was devastating. Shortly after the assault,
- 33:00Speaker 2: Carissa began leaking amniotic fluid and her body showing immediate
- 33:06Speaker 2: signs of trauma. Placed on a strict medical leave and
- 33:11Speaker 2: forced off her feet, she was left to wait in dread,
- 33:15Speaker 2: wondering what damage had just been inflicted on the child
- 33:18Speaker 2: fighting to survive. inside her.
- 33:21Speaker 1: On March 10th, 1976, Krista Gail Pike entered the world
- 33:26Speaker 1: via emergency C-section, arriving weeks early, weighing a fragile five pounds,
- 33:33Speaker 1: seven ounces.
- 33:35Speaker 4: That's tiny.
- 33:36Speaker 1: She emerged completely blue, her tiny body suffering from respiratory arrest.
- 33:42Speaker 2: Now, her underdeveloped lungs were collapsing under a condition known
- 33:47Speaker 2: as Hyland Membrane Disease, That was preventing her body from
- 33:52Speaker 2: receiving vital oxygen. Medical staff rushed to stabilize her, immediately
- 33:58Speaker 2: transferring the infant from her mother to a specialized neonatal
- 34:02Speaker 2: intensive care unit in Charleston, West Virginia, miles away.
- 34:08Speaker 1: For three to four agonizing days, a ventilator breathed for her.
- 34:13Speaker 1: She would remain hooked to tubes and monitors in the
- 34:16Speaker 1: NICU for two full weeks.
- 34:19Speaker 2: Now, Krista was also born with severe bilateral hip dysplasia,
- 34:25Speaker 2: a structural deficit where her hip sockets were completely unformed,
- 34:31Speaker 2: leaving her leg bones completely out of joint. Now, for
- 34:35Speaker 2: the entire first year of her life, Krista required invasive,
- 34:39Speaker 2: uncomfortable medical interventions. Karista was instructed to double and triple
- 34:45Speaker 2: diaper the baby at all times. forcing her tiny legs
- 34:49Speaker 2: wide apart day and night so that the force of
- 34:52Speaker 2: her leg bones would slowly, painfully carve out artificial sockets
- 34:57Speaker 2: in her hips over time.
- 35:00Speaker 1: Beyond the physical pain, a silent psychological canyon was forming.
- 35:08Speaker 1: Developmental experts know that critical early bonding occurs in those
- 35:12Speaker 1: first few hours and days of life through touch, eye contact,
- 35:18Speaker 1: and direct maternal care. Sick infants who are immediately separated
- 35:23Speaker 1: from their mothers and subjected to medical intervention face a
- 35:28Speaker 1: massive risk of failing to form healthy human attachment.
- 35:32Speaker 2: Yeah, and we already know she wasn't great with her
- 35:34Speaker 2: first daughter, Alicia. Now, because the specialized NICU was located
- 35:42Speaker 2: so far from the family's home, Carissa rarely visited. As
- 35:48Speaker 2: Carrie would later recall during those crucial foundational first weeks
- 35:52Speaker 2: of life, there was no gentle rocking, no mother's touch,
- 35:57Speaker 2: and no physical warmth for Krista.
- 36:01Speaker 1: Before Krista Pike even took her first steps, her brain
- 36:04Speaker 1: had been starved of oxygen. Her body had been subjected
- 36:08Speaker 1: to constant physical discomfort, and her fundamental capacity to form
- 36:13Speaker 1: human connection had been completely severed.
- 36:18Speaker 2: And as Krista fought for survival and miles away, the
- 36:23Speaker 2: woman who brought her into the world was completely collapsing.
- 36:28Speaker 2: Carissa wasn't just physically exhausted from the C-section, she was
- 36:33Speaker 2: breaking down psychologically as well.
- 36:36Speaker 1: In the heavy shadow of Krista's traumatic birth, Carissa sank
- 36:40Speaker 1: into a severe paralyzing depression. The darkness was so overwhelming,
- 36:46Speaker 1: that shortly after bringing her daughter home, Carissa made a
- 36:50Speaker 1: desperate attempt to end her own life.
- 36:53Speaker 2: Now, she survived, but the suicide attempt was a warning sign.
- 36:59Speaker 2: Carissa was now living with a mother who was utterly
- 37:02Speaker 2: incapable of caring for herself, let alone a fragile, medically
- 37:08Speaker 2: compromised infant. Psychologically, the environment was catastrophic. It's not great.
- 37:15Speaker 2: It's very, very bad.
- 37:17Speaker 1: Carissa had already inherited a brain damage by prenatal alcohol exposure,
- 37:23Speaker 1: and now her mother's severe, unmanaged clinical depression added another
- 37:28Speaker 1: heavy layer of genetic risk for future mood disorders.
- 37:32Speaker 2: Let alone her entire mother's side of the family. Yeah. Now,
- 37:38Speaker 2: child development hinges on a concept known as secure attachment,
- 37:42Speaker 2: which is the deep instinctual bond formed when a mother
- 37:46Speaker 2: responds to her baby's cries with warmth and touch and protection.
- 37:50Speaker 2: It is the literal foundation upon which a child learns
- 37:55Speaker 2: to trust the world, to regulate their emotions, and to
- 37:59Speaker 2: feel safe. But for Krista, that foundation never existed.
- 38:07Speaker 1: Drowning in her own depression and alcoholism, Karissa was emotionally vacant.
- 38:13Speaker 1: she couldn't provide the basic behavioral cues of affection, just
- 38:19Speaker 1: as her older daughter Alicia had experienced. Carissa emotionally shut
- 38:24Speaker 1: out her new baby.
- 38:27Speaker 2: Now, Krista grew up in a cold, empty void, feeling
- 38:31Speaker 2: deeply unloved and completely unprotected. And as clinical studies repeatedly show,
- 38:39Speaker 2: a child raised without secure attachments isn't just emotionally crippled.
- 38:46Speaker 2: They are left wide open, utterly defenseless against the predatory
- 38:52Speaker 2: abuse and violence that was waiting for her just around
- 38:55Speaker 2: the corner.
- 38:57Speaker 1: Whatever fragile chance remained of Carissa to build a connection
- 39:01Speaker 1: with her daughter vanished almost overnight, just three weeks after
- 39:07Speaker 1: undergoing a major C-section and fresh off the suicide attempt.
- 39:12Speaker 1: Carissa went straight back to work.
- 39:16Speaker 2: Now, driven by financial desperation and an unemployed husband, her
- 39:22Speaker 2: work schedule became punishing. Monday through Friday, she pulled double
- 39:27Speaker 2: shifts at a local nursing home. gone from 9 a.m.
- 39:31Speaker 2: until midnight. And on the weekends, she picked up extra
- 39:36Speaker 2: grueling 12-hour shifts. So in Krista's first year of life,
- 39:41Speaker 2: Carissa took a grand total of 12 days off. That's it.
- 39:47Speaker 4: 12 days.
- 39:49Speaker 2: Days.
- 39:50Speaker 1: Now, while Carissa worked herself to the bone, Krista's father, Glenn,
- 39:55Speaker 1: was a permanent fixture at home, but he wasn't parenting.
- 39:59Speaker 1: Incapable of holding down a job, Glenn spent his days
- 40:02Speaker 1: steeped in his own addiction. Carissa would stagger through the
- 40:06Speaker 1: front door after 16-hour shifts to find Glenn sitting in
- 40:10Speaker 1: the dark drinking beer after beer. Heavy smoking, hanging in
- 40:16Speaker 1: the thick air, and completely oblivious to the infant in
- 40:21Speaker 1: his care.
- 40:23Speaker 2: The house quickly devolved into basically a biohazard. Krista's Aunt
- 40:29Speaker 2: Carrie would later recall the stomach-turning conditions she witnessed during
- 40:34Speaker 2: her visits. The home was perpetually filthy, with rotting food
- 40:40Speaker 2: and towers of dirty dishes overflowing from the sink. And
- 40:44Speaker 2: on the floor, surrounded by squalor, was baby Krista.
- 40:49Speaker 1: Carrie described the horrifying sight of the infant crawling through
- 40:53Speaker 1: the house, picking her way past piles of neglected, decaying
- 40:58Speaker 1: dog feces that littered the carpets. While her mother was
- 41:04Speaker 1: away working double shifts and her father sat numb in
- 41:07Speaker 1: an alcoholic haze, baby Krista was left literally crawling through
- 41:12Speaker 1: filth unwatched, unprotected, and completely abandoned in her home.
- 41:20Speaker 2: Now with two small children in a filthy home and
- 41:23Speaker 2: Carissa working around the clock, the burden of childcare shifted
- 41:28Speaker 2: back to one of the matriarchs of the family, Zola Photos.
- 41:33Speaker 2: But inside the grandmother's house, the two sisters were treated
- 41:37Speaker 2: like two entirely different species.
- 41:42Speaker 1: Alicia, the oldest sister, became Zola's favorite. As the firstborn grandchild,
- 41:47Speaker 1: Alicia was showered with love, warmth, and rare moments of
- 41:52Speaker 1: genuine affection. To Alicia, the home felt safe enough. She
- 41:57Speaker 1: knew her grandfather Chris Fotos, the meat butcher, with a
- 42:00Speaker 1: history of extreme violence, as a fun man who spoiled
- 42:04Speaker 1: his granddaughters with candy and took them to visit the slaughterhouse.
- 42:09Speaker 4: Right.
- 42:10Speaker 2: That sounds super fun. Now, for young Krista, however, her
- 42:18Speaker 2: grandmother's house was no sanctuary. Zola openly resented Krista's very existence.
- 42:26Speaker 2: To Zola, Krista was an unwanted burden born to a
- 42:31Speaker 2: daughter whose life was falling apart. And making matters worse,
- 42:35Speaker 2: Zola's own longstanding alcoholism was rapidly worsening, starting every single
- 42:41Speaker 2: morning with a heavy glass of whiskey.
- 42:45Speaker 1: While Alicia received hugs, Krista received physical punishment. Zola routinely
- 42:51Speaker 1: targeted tiny Krista with harsh physical discipline, venting her own
- 42:57Speaker 1: escalating alcohol-fueled rage on the toddler. Even as an infant,
- 43:03Speaker 1: Krista was acutely aware that her sister was loved, while
- 43:07Speaker 1: she was merely tolerated and beaten.
- 43:11Speaker 2: Now, as Aunt Carrie would later observe, the family dynamic
- 43:15Speaker 2: had fractured down the middle. Alicia was given a safe harbor,
- 43:20Speaker 2: while Krista was handed resentment, rejection, and physical lashings. The
- 43:27Speaker 2: message to Krista was delivered early, clearly, and repeatedly.
- 43:31Speaker 4: You.
- 43:33Speaker 2: Are not wanted here.
- 43:36Speaker 1: But amidst the filth, the heavy drinking, and the open resentment,
- 43:40Speaker 1: there was one single solitary ray of light in young
- 43:44Speaker 1: Krista's life, her paternal grandmother, Delpha Pike. When Delpha moved
- 43:49Speaker 1: into the household, she immediately stepped into the void left
- 43:53Speaker 1: by Krista's absent mother and alcoholic father. From Krista's infancy,
- 43:59Speaker 1: it was Delpha who woke up in the dark hours
- 44:01Speaker 1: of the night to check on the babies. even while
- 44:04Speaker 1: Krista slept in her parents' room.
- 44:07Speaker 2: For years, whenever they lived under the same roof, Krista
- 44:12Speaker 2: slept beside her grandmother, a ritual that continued until Delpha
- 44:17Speaker 2: passed away when Krista was 12 years old.
- 44:23Speaker 1: For years, whenever they lived under the same roof, Krista
- 44:26Speaker 1: slept beside her grandmother, a ritual that continued until Delpha
- 44:32Speaker 1: Delpha passed away when Krista was 12 years old. Sorry, guys.
- 44:36Speaker 4: Oh.
- 44:37Speaker 2: Well, that's fine. It happens. Now, decades later, Carissa would
- 44:45Speaker 2: openly admit the harsh truth that Grandmother Delpha was far
- 44:50Speaker 2: more of a mother to Krista than she ever was.
- 44:53Speaker 2: And Delpha was the only reliable source of constant love, tenderness,
- 44:59Speaker 2: and security in the young girl's life.
- 45:02Speaker 1: She was also the helpless witness to Krista's nightmare. Krista
- 45:06Speaker 1: was relentlessly verbally abusive to her young daughter, firing constant criticism, insults,
- 45:13Speaker 1: and hostility at the child. Between Krista's cold rage and
- 45:17Speaker 1: Glenn's erratic drug and alcohol-fueled temper, Krista was subjected to routine,
- 45:23Speaker 1: terrifying physical beatings.
- 45:26Speaker 2: Delpha was heartbroken. She would sit in tears as she
- 45:32Speaker 2: watched her son and daughter-in-law brutally discipline Krista. But Delpha
- 45:38Speaker 2: was an old woman, entirely dependent on the family and
- 45:43Speaker 2: utterly powerless to stop the violence. All she could do
- 45:47Speaker 2: was weep silently and try to patch up the young
- 45:50Speaker 2: girl's bruises and attempt to shield Krista's broken spirit from
- 45:55Speaker 2: her own parents' cruelty.
- 45:58Speaker 1: But It wasn't enough to stop the damage. Stripped of
- 46:01Speaker 1: maternal protection, constantly degraded by her own mother, and subjected
- 46:07Speaker 1: to physical terror inside her own home, Krista's fragile psychology
- 46:15Speaker 1: was fracturing. The stage was being set, not just for
- 46:19Speaker 1: a deeply traumatized child, but for a girl who was
- 46:23Speaker 1: at a catastrophic risk of becoming both a victim of
- 46:27Speaker 1: victim of predator after predator, and eventually a perpetrator of
- 46:32Speaker 1: unimaginable violence herself.
- 46:36Speaker 2: Now, next time on True Crime and Wine Time, we
- 46:39Speaker 2: trace the exact moments Krista Pike's childhood safety was completely obliterated.
- 46:46Speaker 2: I know, it seems like it's all safe and good
- 46:48Speaker 2: right now, right? No, it gets worse. It does actually
- 46:51Speaker 2: continue to get worse.
- 46:52Speaker 1: Left in the care of sadistic relatives and predators... a
- 46:56Speaker 1: helpless toddler learns the art of disassociation, escaping her own
- 47:01Speaker 1: body when there is nowhere left to run.
- 47:04Speaker 2: Between medical neglect, severe brain malformations, and systemic abuse, the
- 47:11Speaker 2: girl who would become Tennessee's most horrific killer was already
- 47:15Speaker 2: completely lost, and you won't want to miss part two.
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- 47:58Speaker 2: That's right. That's right. Well, thank you all for joining
- 48:02Speaker 2: us tonight for part one of this crazy long series
- 48:07Speaker 2: we're about to do. We hope you all stick with
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- 48:11Speaker 2: as I say, go forth and be amazing.
- 48:14Speaker 1: As I like to say, stay safe, stay aware, and
- 48:17Speaker 1: it's always free to be kind.
- 48:19Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.
- 48:21Speaker 1: Bye, friends.
- 48:21Speaker 4: Bye, guys.
- 48:23Speaker 2: Thank you.