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Sharri | 20 January · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Well, thanks for joining me. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Sharry. Is what's coming up tonight?
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke says Labour's new hate speech laws will tackle
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Speaker 2: the motivation for terror and gun laws will tackle the method.
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Speaker 3: Now it sounds.
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Speaker 4: Great, but wait until you hear what he won't say.
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Speaker 2: My panel Holly Hughes and Cameron Milner will discuss the
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Speaker 2: new hate speech laws. Shortly shocking CCTV out of Melbourne
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Speaker 2: of Jewish schoolboys chased down the street by a ute.
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Speaker 2: Police say suspects have been identified, but how on earth
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Speaker 2: did we get to this point? And a horror run
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Speaker 2: on our beaches. Four shark attacks in just forty eight
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Speaker 2: hours in New South Wales. Beaches are closed, warnings to
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Speaker 2: just go to a pool instead. Shark expert Darryl McPhee
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Speaker 2: will join me live on what's driving the spike and
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Speaker 2: what actually works to keep swimmers safe. But before we
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Speaker 2: get to all of that, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke
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Speaker 2: came on this network this morning to explain the genius
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Speaker 2: of the government's response to anti Semitism. He boasted that
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government's hate speech laws would address the motivation
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Speaker 2: of terrorism, while gun laws would deal with the method.
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Speaker 2: It was a nice line.
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Speaker 5: What we want to make sure of is that the
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Speaker 5: Parliament is dealing with both the motivation of the Bondie
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Speaker 5: attack and the method that was used.
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Speaker 4: Motivation and method.
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Speaker 2: Alliteration has a way of making things sound neat and
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Speaker 2: ordered and sensible. Unfortunately, alliteration can't disguise stupid. Tony Burke
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Speaker 2: went on to explain his hate speech laws would deal
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Speaker 2: with the motivation of the Bondi terrorists.
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Speaker 4: The only problem, well.
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Speaker 2: He couldn't quite bring himself to say what their motivation
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Speaker 2: actually was.
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Speaker 5: The motivation was a deep form of bigotry, a deep
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Speaker 5: form of anti semitism.
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Speaker 2: Their motivation was a deep form of bigotry. That's helpful
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Speaker 2: from about to enact what he boasts will be the
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Speaker 2: toughest hate speech laws this nation has ever seen. Bigotry
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Speaker 2: is a bit vague, isn't it. Yes, the alleged bond
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Speaker 2: By terrorists motivation was a deep form of bigotry and
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Speaker 2: anti semitism. No argument from me, but I think we
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Speaker 2: all know Tony Burke could be a little more specific
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Speaker 2: than that. On all the evidence available, the alleged motivation
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Speaker 2: wasn't general bigotry sort of floating in the ether.
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Speaker 4: It was Islamic extremism.
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Speaker 2: Only Tony Burke could proudly announce he's cracking down on
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Speaker 2: the motivation of alleged g Hardy's while treating the word
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Speaker 2: Islam like it's Voldemort. As for addressing the method used
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Speaker 2: by the alleged Islamists who were motivated by a form
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Speaker 2: of bigotry that could have been applied to anyone, will
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Speaker 2: brace yourself.
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Speaker 5: And the method that was used was people in the
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Speaker 5: suburbs of Sydney having access to six high powered firearms.
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Speaker 2: People in the suburbs of Sydney, which people, because I
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Speaker 2: live in the suburbs of Sydney, So to millions of
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Speaker 2: law abiding Australians who have never once felt the urge
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Speaker 2: to acquire six high powered firearms and shoot up a
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Speaker 2: Jewish festival. The way the Home Affairs Minister frames it,
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Speaker 2: the real national security threat appears to be I don't
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Speaker 2: know suburban life. Apparently, without ever expanding gun laws, people
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Speaker 2: in the suburbs of Sydney simply can't be trusted to
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Speaker 2: behave themselves. Perhaps he should be a little more specific
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Speaker 2: about the kinds of people in the suburbs of Sydney
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Speaker 2: who should be kept.
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Speaker 4: Well away from guns.
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Speaker 2: Now, to be fair, he did get a little more specific,
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Speaker 2: though if you live in bonnie Rig you.
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Speaker 4: Might not think it particularly fair.
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Speaker 5: Anyone who knows the suburb of bonnie Rig, which just
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Speaker 5: shakes their head as to how on earth he gurned
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Speaker 5: up with six firearms in a suburb like that.
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Speaker 2: Bonnie Rig is a highly multicultural suburb south of the
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Speaker 2: Sydney CB, depopulated mostly by Vietnamese and Chinese Australians. Is
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Speaker 2: that what Tony Burk is getting at when he says
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Speaker 2: a suburb like that? Is there a more appropriate postcode
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Speaker 2: for people to own high powered guns? Or is it
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Speaker 2: the fact that a foreign national here on a visa
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Speaker 2: with a sun known to Asio for alleged links to
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Speaker 2: a Sydney based Islamus Terraceell shouldn't have been given a
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Speaker 2: gun license, regardless of whether he lived in bonnie Rig, Belmain,
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Speaker 2: Borkham Hills or Botany. But that explanation would require uncomfortable
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Speaker 2: truths rather than scolding geography. It's the government's continued obfiscation
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Speaker 2: that is driving me crazy in this whole debate on
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Speaker 2: how to prevent terror attacks, why can't they speak plainly?
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the public will reward plains speaking
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Speaker 2: They really will. And if you doubt that, have a
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Speaker 2: look at Pauline Hanson's polling numbers. So let's speak plainly,
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Speaker 2: shall we. Tony Burke is the minister responsible for importing
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Speaker 2: thousands of Gazans into this country, personally greeting some of
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Speaker 2: them at Sydney Airport. He's also the minister responsible for
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Speaker 2: repatriating Isis Bride, a project he seemed remarkably reluctant to
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Speaker 2: talk about. And he's also the minister whose own electorate,
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Speaker 2: the one whose votes he relies on, has one of
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Speaker 2: the largest Muslim populations in the country. And he's the
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Speaker 2: minister responsible for keeping Australian safe from Islamic terrorism. Now,
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Speaker 2: to be absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting all Gharzan refugees
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Speaker 2: Isis bribes, all Muslims for that matter, are a security threat.
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Speaker 2: That would be absurd, but that the Minister responsible for
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Speaker 2: counter Terrorism and National Security boasts he'll get to the
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Speaker 2: motivation of terrorism while studiously avoiding the use of anything
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Speaker 2: even remotely approaching the phrase radical Islam. Well, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: exactly inspire confidence. Now, speaking of things that don't exactly
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Speaker 2: inspire confidence, can we talk about the Greens.
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Speaker 4: We need to.
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Speaker 2: There's been plenty of ridiculous responses to the Bondi terror
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Speaker 2: attack and even more absurd suggestions about what it will
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Speaker 2: take to keep Jewish Australian safe. But Green Senator Nick
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Speaker 2: mckim's speech yesterday, well, it wasn't just ridiculous or absurd. No, No,
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Speaker 2: it was a quantum leap into a universe where logic
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Speaker 2: has gone on permanent leave is a taste.
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Speaker 6: But Jewish Australians won't be safe from the scourge of
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Speaker 6: anti Semitism until Muslim Australians are safe from the scourge
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Speaker 6: of Islamophobia, and neither will be safe until all Australians
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Speaker 6: are safe from racism and from religious intolerance, and until
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Speaker 6: we reckon with intolerance and discrimination based on any attributes,
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Speaker 6: and until we reckon with the brutality and the underlying
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Speaker 6: violence of the colonization of this continent based on the
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Speaker 6: lie of Terranalius. Because truly, no one is safe until
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Speaker 6: we are all safe, just as no one is free
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Speaker 6: until everyone is free. We need a reckon in this country.
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Speaker 2: What on earth was that, according to Senator Nick McKim,
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Speaker 2: to keep Jews safe from Islamic terrorists, you've first got
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Speaker 2: to end Islamophobia. That's a premise so inherently stupid. I
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Speaker 2: can't believe anyone, not even a Green senator, would actually
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Speaker 2: think it, let alone say it. Jews will never be
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Speaker 2: safe from Islamic extremists until everyone stops being afraid of
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Speaker 2: radical Islam. What And then he went on to explain
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Speaker 2: that Jews actually won't be safe from Islamic jiharatists until
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Speaker 2: everyone everywhere is safe from pretty much everything. And of
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Speaker 2: course the real problem is the colonization of Australia, because
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Speaker 2: until this country has a reckoning over Captain Cook's voyage
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Speaker 2: a couple of hundred years ago, no Jewish Australian will
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Speaker 2: be safe from isis. Only the Greens can link Islamic
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Speaker 2: terror to terrannalis. Maybe that's the problem. Said that the
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Speaker 2: Nick McKim was confused because both phrases contained the word terror.
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Speaker 2: I'll give the senator this, though, we do need a
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Speaker 2: reckoning in this country, and for that at election can't
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Speaker 2: come soon enough.
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Speaker 4: An attempt to run over Jewish.
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Speaker 2: Teenagers in an anti Semitic attack in Melbourne last night
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Speaker 2: makes it even more urgent that we deal with the
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Speaker 2: illegal and illegitimate colonization of Australia by the Brits two
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Speaker 2: hundred years ago.
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Speaker 4: Ay, I'm sorry, I need to stop channeling the Greens.
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Speaker 2: What I meant to say was the horrific incident last
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Speaker 2: night further illustrates just how insanely dangerous our politicians are.
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Speaker 2: While Tony Burke OBFA skates over the real motivation and
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Speaker 2: identity of radical Islamists, while the Greens imagined that anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism always was, always will be about the evils of colonization,
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Speaker 2: Jewish Australians continue to be targeted, with not much to
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Speaker 2: keep them safe but their own wits. Take a look
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Speaker 2: at this shocking footage from Saint Kilda last night. Jewish
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Speaker 2: schoolboys chased down the street by guys in a ute
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Speaker 2: yelling hail Hitler and threatening to stab them while at
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Speaker 2: the same time trying to mow them down. This took
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Speaker 2: place just one hundred meters from the Adas Israel synagogue
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Speaker 2: that was firebombed a year ago. Now, according to the
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Speaker 2: boys parents, they phoned police but no one answered.
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Speaker 4: Well that's just Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But with the ute following them for five minutes, the
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Speaker 2: kids eventually had to run back to their Jewish school
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Speaker 2: to take shelter. Anthony Albanezi today condemned what he described
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Speaker 2: as an anti Semitic hate incident, saying he wanted to
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Speaker 2: see the offender's face quote the full force of the law.
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Speaker 2: You know, like all those other perpetrators of antie Semitism
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Speaker 2: have faced a full force of the law over the
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Speaker 2: past two years, Anthony Albanezi said, and I quote, this
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Speaker 2: would have been a terrifying ordeal for these young Australians.
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Speaker 4: Targeted for their Jewish faith at.
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Speaker 2: A time when Australians are joining with the Jewish community
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Speaker 2: in sorrow and solidarity. It's beyond disgusting to see these
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Speaker 2: cowards shouting Nazi slogans at young people. Victorian police are investigating,
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Speaker 2: and I want to see the perpetrators face the full
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Speaker 2: force of the law. Well, we wait with bated breath.
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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be difficult to find the culprits. Then again,
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Speaker 2: the Jewish community has heard that promise plenty of times before.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Justinto Allen, she expressed shock at the incident.
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Speaker 7: That is hateful behavior, that is anti Semitic behavior, and
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Speaker 7: it has absolutely no place here in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: It has no place here in Victoria except keeps finding
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Speaker 2: a place in Victoria, doesn't it.
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Speaker 5: And Victoria police will be investigating if they have, as
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Speaker 5: they have done so, performed that salute.
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Speaker 8: Well, that salute is banned here in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Maybe just sent to Allen could set up some Nazi
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Speaker 2: salute amnesty bins where people could deposit their antisemitic gestures.
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Speaker 2: Worked so well with machetes. As for these Jewish kids
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Speaker 2: being chased by idiots and a ute, I honestly wouldn't
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Speaker 2: put it past Tony Burke to now try to ban
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Speaker 2: the number of utes a person can own, and to
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Speaker 2: shake his head in disbelief that we end up with
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Speaker 2: utes in Saint Kilda. I wonder if they have utes
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Speaker 2: in Bonnie Rigg. The Greens will undoubtedly argue that the
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Speaker 2: key to preventing Jewish school children from being run down
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Speaker 2: on Saint Kilda streets is the removal of Captain Cook's
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Speaker 2: cottage from the Fitzroy Gardens. Things are that silly right
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Speaker 2: now in this country. Meanwhile, the harassment intimidation and danger
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Speaker 2: facing Jewish Australians shows absolutely zero sign of abating. Yesterday,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister stood in Parliament and made what he
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Speaker 2: described as a solemn vow to keep Jewish Australian safe.
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Speaker 4: And then he said this.
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Speaker 9: We must channel our anger into meaningful action to ensure
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Speaker 9: an atrocity such as this can never happen again, and
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Speaker 9: that responsibility starts with me as Australia's thirty first prime minister.
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Speaker 2: It was refreshing to hear the PM, except that responsibility
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Speaker 2: starts with him. That's been one of the criticisms of
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Speaker 2: anti Albanesi that he's never apologized, much less taken any
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Speaker 2: personal responsibility for having allowed anti Semitism to reach endemic
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Speaker 2: levels over the past two years.
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Speaker 4: Alas this new.
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Speaker 2: And improved Prime minister was but a mirage. Just twenty
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Speaker 2: four hours later, Anthony Albanese was today defending his government's
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Speaker 2: terrible record on anti Semitism, because well, what about SCONO.
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Speaker 10: The idea that anti semitism began two years ago with
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Speaker 10: the Chain government is false, and it's declared to be
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Speaker 10: false by the comments of those opposite in senior positions.
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Speaker 10: Despite the surge in anti semitism on their watch?
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Speaker 9: Did the Morrison government? Did the Morrison.
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Speaker 10: Governor point a special envoy to combat anti Semitism?
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Speaker 2: No, honestly, that was an exercise in what aboutism That
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Speaker 2: would have made a reckelcit teenager blush?
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Speaker 4: Why are you upset with me? Did you see what
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Speaker 4: Scotty did?
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four the Australian Jewish community suffered its
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Speaker 2: most traumatic year on record, antisemitic incident spiking by staggering
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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty four percent on the previous year.
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but what.
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Speaker 2: About Scott Morrison? Responsibility starts with me, So let's talk about.
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Speaker 4: The last guy.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, you couldn't make this up. Does Anthieobenze really want
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Speaker 2: to play this game? ANTHIEOBANZEI did appoint a special envoy
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Speaker 2: to combat anti Semitism.
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Speaker 4: That is true.
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Speaker 2: What's also true as he left the envoice report sitting
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Speaker 2: in a drawer while he awaited a report on Islamophobia,
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Speaker 2: just to prove how serious he was about addressing anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: And that's his boast. So what you like about Scott
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Speaker 2: Morrison Prime Minister? The inescapable fact is that fifteen Australians
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Speaker 2: most of them Jews weren't shot dead on a Sunday
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Speaker 2: afternoon at Bondai while the last guy was running the country. No, No,
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Speaker 2: that happened on your watch. I'll give the last word
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Speaker 2: to former Prime Minister Scott Morrison. He tweeted just a
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Speaker 2: short time ago and I quote hamas never praised the
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Speaker 2: actions of my government elbow, but they did praise yours
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Speaker 2: to cha.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: Labour's anti Semitism package has passed the Lower House. That's
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Speaker 2: despite late pushback from the Coalition over the new hate
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Speaker 2: group powers and how broadly they could be used. The Liberals,
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Speaker 2: including Andrew Hasty, ended up voting for the legislation, while
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Speaker 2: the Nationals abstained from the vote. With a notable exception,
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Speaker 2: form Antionals leader Michael McCormick voted for the bill and
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Speaker 2: I'll be talking with him shortly, but joining me first
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Speaker 2: is former Liberal Senate the Holly Hughes and GXO Strategies
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Speaker 2: director Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to both of you, Holly.
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Speaker 2: The Liberals were highly critical of the government's legislation, but
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Speaker 2: then changed their mind and backed it in What do
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Speaker 2: you think of their backflip? Was it a smart move?
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Speaker 3: Look?
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure whether it was a smart move or not.
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Speaker 11: At the end of the day, it was an irrelevant
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Speaker 11: move because this government has such a huge majority in
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Speaker 11: the House of Representatives, it was always going to sail
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Speaker 11: through the House. I think where the important thing now
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Speaker 11: is is what are the amendments that they're going to
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Speaker 11: push through the Senate, because at the end of the
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Speaker 11: day they have to. The Labor Party has to get
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Speaker 11: this legislation through the Senate. They don't control the numbers there.
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Speaker 11: The Greens are refusing to vote for it. From what
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Speaker 11: I can see, the Nationals are not at any stage
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Speaker 11: seeming to jump on board to vote for it. It
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Speaker 11: doesn't look like some of the Independents are going to
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Speaker 11: vote for it, and One Nation certainly won't be I
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Speaker 11: think the Nationals in part but will stay away from
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Speaker 11: supporting the hate speech legislation, certainly the gun reform legislation,
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Speaker 11: but certainly the hate speech because of nervousness around One
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Speaker 11: Nation and they're polling numbers and where that might impact.
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Speaker 11: Because I can tell you the gun reform out in
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Speaker 11: the Bush is absolutely one of the top of mind
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Speaker 11: issues certainly if you come into Sydney, particularly the eastern suburbs.
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Speaker 11: A lot of talk about anti semitism. But if you
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Speaker 11: get out past the Blue Mountains and you start to
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Speaker 11: listen to those in the bush talking about the gun reform,
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Speaker 11: it is absolutely some of the worst legislation raced through.
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Speaker 11: And in fact, it wasn't guns that caused this problem.
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Speaker 11: They're saying people can still have six guns. These guys
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Speaker 11: only had four.
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Speaker 12: It is so.
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Speaker 2: Stupid, I think makes me laugh as every time they
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Speaker 2: talk about guns, they'realk about dangerous guns. We're removing dangerous guns.
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Speaker 2: Is there any other kind of gun than dangerous guns? Well,
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Speaker 2: it depends on who's holding it, right.
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Speaker 11: It does depend who's holding of it. Chris Mins talked
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Speaker 11: about belt fed shotguns.
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Speaker 1: They don't exist.
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Speaker 11: They've never been built, they've never been created. One's ever
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Speaker 11: had one in the world, you know. And this is
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Speaker 11: the problem with rushed through legislation, and all of this
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Speaker 11: legislation has just been raced through.
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Speaker 2: It has And I'll talk to a gun expert later,
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Speaker 2: cam let me bring you in.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people have criticized.
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Speaker 2: The hate group part of the legislation as an assault
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Speaker 2: on freedoms, giving the government too much power. He sympathetic
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Speaker 2: with those views and should the Liberals have joined one
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Speaker 2: nation in opposing the legislation.
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Speaker 8: Well, what we needed, James, was leadership, leadership after BONDI,
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Speaker 8: not just legislation leadership.
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Speaker 3: And that's not what we're seeing.
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Speaker 8: We're seeing an omni shambles bill that Albanez has brought
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Speaker 8: forth the Parliament with all the politics in the world
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Speaker 8: being played up until twenty four hours before. No, the
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Speaker 8: Parliament should have actually had the time to settle and
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Speaker 8: actually look at this legislation properly. It should have been
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Speaker 8: ventilated amongst the experts and then we could have brought
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Speaker 8: people together in a unified way to deal with the
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Speaker 8: fact we do need laws and leadership to find anti
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Speaker 8: Semitism in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Clearly, I showed the shocking footage from Melbourne. It was
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Speaker 2: last night where a number of Jewish teenagers were stalked
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Speaker 2: down the street for about five minutes by these guys
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Speaker 2: in the uke, yelling Hyle Hitler, threatening to stab them,
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Speaker 2: trying to run them over, Holly allegedly threatening Holly shocked
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Speaker 2: by that footage or is this just sadly part of
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Speaker 2: the course.
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Speaker 11: Now, Surprisingly, I'm not shocked, because this is the kind
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Speaker 11: of behavior we're seeing happen and this is why Albanezy
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Speaker 11: and his weakness is causing more and more problems.
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Speaker 3: And it's not just.
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Speaker 11: Jewish Australians, it is the whole Australian community that is
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Speaker 11: now seeing this kind of behavior is out of control,
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Speaker 11: but there's no repercussions.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 11: I read in one of the pieces today that they
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Speaker 11: have persons of interest in mind. They know who they are.
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Speaker 11: I certainly hope if they arrest someone that they're named,
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Speaker 11: because this seems to be this overwhelming protection racket of
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Speaker 11: the people that behave this way. But secondly, even just
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Speaker 11: Cinter Allen was saying, oh, it's anti Semitic behavior. Well,
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Speaker 11: I mean, when are we allowed to say these people
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Speaker 11: are anti Semites because for some reason, no one's an
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Speaker 11: anti Semite, but they participate in this anti Semitic behavior.
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Speaker 11: It's time to stop being so precious with the semantics.
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Speaker 11: And you know the fact that this Labor government cannot
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Speaker 11: say the words radical Islam is absolutely what is wrong
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Speaker 11: with this country and this government. And Cameron is right,
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Speaker 11: the leadership has got to change. But unfortunately under Kevin
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Speaker 11: Rudd he changed the way prime ministers can be getting
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Speaker 11: rid of in the Labor Party, and any way Alwnezy
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Speaker 11: is going to go.
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Speaker 2: The thing that shocks me, Cameron is you've got in
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Speaker 2: Canberra all of our politicians making condolence speeches to the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community about the Bombai attacks. Meanwhile attacks on Jewish
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Speaker 2: Australians continue.
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Speaker 4: I mean, someone driving a.
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Speaker 2: Car allegedly at a group of Jewish teenagers in the street,
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Speaker 2: trying to run them down, allegedly. I mean, you just
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Speaker 2: would not believe that this is our country.
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Speaker 8: No, that's right, James. It's utterly appalling, just utterly appalling.
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Speaker 8: And to your point, Holly, we're not surprised, but I
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Speaker 8: think we should be still shocked and appalled that this
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Speaker 8: is happening on Albow's watch. You know, even after BONDI,
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Speaker 8: this is still happening. Why because Albanize is acquiesced on
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Speaker 8: anti sigmatism ever since October seven, twenty twenty three, he's
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Speaker 8: shown weak leadership to your point, Holly, totally weak leadership.
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Speaker 8: He has not stood up to Islamic extremism, Exlamic terrorism,
20:24
Speaker 8: radical Islam.
20:25
Speaker 1: I mean, let's call it for what it is, James.
20:27
Speaker 8: That's where the source of the problems coming from that's
20:29
Speaker 8: where the source of the problem.
20:30
Speaker 11: Is cam You could say he hasn't stood up for
20:32
Speaker 11: any Semitism since he was at university. When we look
20:35
Speaker 11: at some of those old shots that we see at.
20:39
Speaker 3: Rallies mass slaughter.
20:41
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, But after the mass.
20:43
Speaker 8: Slaughter Hammas Saudi should have stood up those people who
20:45
Speaker 8: said gas the Jews on our opera house steps.
20:47
Speaker 3: They should have been condemned.
20:49
Speaker 8: Instead, it was all fudged away by this Prime minister
20:51
Speaker 8: and acquiesced on anti segmatism. That's the problem with Alberto's
20:54
Speaker 8: Alba's completely weak leadership, and.
20:56
Speaker 2: The problem I have, as I alluded to in my editorial,
20:59
Speaker 2: is there's still fud and not speaking plainly to Australians.
21:02
Speaker 2: Everyone knows what's going on exactly right, except the government
21:04
Speaker 2: won't say.
21:05
Speaker 11: By five hundred pages of legislation at radical Islam as
21:09
Speaker 11: a term does not appear in five hundred pages, that
21:12
Speaker 11: tells you everything you need to.
21:13
Speaker 4: Know everything, all right.
21:14
Speaker 2: Before I let you guys go, we've got to talk
21:16
Speaker 2: about renewable energy and the power issues, because there are
21:20
Speaker 2: some green tears being shed at news that the country's
21:23
Speaker 2: largest coal fired power plant has had its closing date extended,
21:28
Speaker 2: meaning it will keep burning coal at least until twenty
21:30
Speaker 2: twenty nine. The owners of Aerring in Newcastle said the
21:34
Speaker 2: plant was needed to support secure and stable power supply. Cameron,
21:39
Speaker 2: why is the government still carrying the torch on net
21:42
Speaker 2: zero when we clearly need fossil fuels to keep the
21:45
Speaker 2: lights on?
21:45
Speaker 4: Here's just more evidence.
21:47
Speaker 8: Oh absolutely right. I mean erring Seate needs to stay
21:50
Speaker 8: over for as long as we need cheap reliable power
21:52
Speaker 8: in these South Wales and the rest of Australia. And
21:54
Speaker 8: while renewables haven't caught up to that, and while renewables
21:56
Speaker 8: haven't filled that gap yet, we need coal fied baseload
21:59
Speaker 8: power to keep the light lights on.
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Speaker 2: Holly, Just imagine if we'd maintained our coal fired power
22:03
Speaker 2: stations and let them keep going, we'd.
22:05
Speaker 4: Have cheap, affordable, reliable power.
22:07
Speaker 11: So I'm going to make a prediction tonight.
22:09
Speaker 3: You heard it here.
22:09
Speaker 11: First, I reckon We're going to start rebuilding coal fire
22:12
Speaker 11: power stations in the next decade because there is no
22:15
Speaker 11: way this renewable race is going to come to anything
22:18
Speaker 11: that's going to provide reliable energy, keep our manufacturing sector alive,
22:22
Speaker 11: keep the country going, and like many countries overseas, Germany,
22:25
Speaker 11: we're going to need to build more.
22:27
Speaker 2: I reckon, you're probably right, Holly Hughes, Kevin Milner, thanks
22:30
Speaker 2: for joining me tonight. All right, let's get back to
22:33
Speaker 2: the government's hate speech laws. With Labour's Anti Semitism Bill
22:36
Speaker 2: passing the House today. The Liberals backed the legislation after
22:39
Speaker 2: securing a number of amendments. But the Nationals well, they
22:42
Speaker 2: agreed in the party room to abstain from voting in
22:45
Speaker 2: the lower House. They're expected to move amendments to the
22:48
Speaker 2: bill in the Senate. When I say the Nationals abstained
22:51
Speaker 2: from voting, that's not entirely true. There was a notable exception,
22:55
Speaker 2: and he joins me. Now, Michael McCormick, welcome. Let me
22:58
Speaker 2: ask you, why did you vote h James All the
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Speaker 2: bill when all your colleagues decided to abstain.
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Speaker 13: Well, my colleagues decided to have started because they're relying
23:08
Speaker 13: on the amendments being put forward by Bridget McKenzie, by
23:12
Speaker 13: Susan McDonald, Ross Cadell and Matt Canavan in the Senate
23:16
Speaker 13: tonight for and on behalf of our party and for
23:19
Speaker 13: Regional Australia. But I voted for the bill, even though
23:24
Speaker 13: it was uncomfortable with it, even though it's been rush legislation,
23:27
Speaker 13: even though I wasn't given the opportunity to debate the
23:30
Speaker 13: bill on the floor of the House because it was
23:32
Speaker 13: essentially gagged by a management motion. But I voted for
23:37
Speaker 13: it because it's the only bill before the Parliament at
23:39
Speaker 13: the moment which is going to be able to outlaw.
23:42
Speaker 1: It's put Teria and neo Nazi groups.
23:45
Speaker 13: And if we're talking about radical islam Islamist g hardists,
23:52
Speaker 13: if we're talking about due haters, their two organizations are
23:57
Speaker 13: the National Socialist Network and hits put Teria, who need
24:02
Speaker 13: to be outlawed.
24:03
Speaker 1: People need to be deported.
24:05
Speaker 13: And if for nothing else, I couldn't in all good
24:09
Speaker 13: conscience not vote against or vote against that bill because
24:15
Speaker 13: I think those groups need to be named, shamed, deported, banned.
24:21
Speaker 2: I think everyone watching would absolutely agree with you. But
24:24
Speaker 2: what about concerns that this legislation could be used not
24:27
Speaker 2: to target Islamic extremists but political opponents.
24:33
Speaker 13: A lot of good work was done by Mikhaylia Cash
24:35
Speaker 13: and by Paul Scarr who came to our meetings today.
24:39
Speaker 13: We've had eight meetings for the Nationals already since last
24:42
Speaker 13: Friday we had four.
24:43
Speaker 1: Today we went through it line by line.
24:47
Speaker 13: There are a lot of concessions given by the government,
24:50
Speaker 13: as they should have been.
24:50
Speaker 1: It was poorly drafted legislation.
24:53
Speaker 13: But again I say, if we are talking about Islamic
24:58
Speaker 13: Jihadis and any he Jews and we want to do
25:01
Speaker 13: something about this anti Semitism, then that's why I supported
25:06
Speaker 13: the bill reluctantly.
25:07
Speaker 1: But that's why I supported the bill. But the trouble, too.
25:11
Speaker 13: James, is that nothing is going to be achieved if
25:14
Speaker 13: the judiciary continues to allow these violent, hate spewing protests
25:19
Speaker 13: to continue. On the steps of the Opera House on
25:22
Speaker 13: Sydney Harbor Bridge and we saw Belinda rig Justice Belinda
25:26
Speaker 13: Rigg go against Premier Chris Mins and perhaps just as importantly,
25:31
Speaker 13: Police Commissioner mal Lanyon, who begged her not to beg
25:34
Speaker 13: the court system in New South Wales not to allow
25:37
Speaker 13: that protest to go ahead, and yet it did. And
25:39
Speaker 13: they say they're peaceful protests, they are not, because every
25:42
Speaker 13: protest they're spitting at police, They're throwing rocks and bottles
25:46
Speaker 13: and anything they can lay their hands on at police.
25:49
Speaker 1: And any time they do that.
25:51
Speaker 13: It's an attack on Australia's fruedoms, it's an attack on
25:54
Speaker 13: Australia's traditions, it's an attack on Australia and I won't
25:57
Speaker 13: stand for that. These people have to be deported, these
26:01
Speaker 13: people have to be banned. And the only way at
26:04
Speaker 13: the moment in the Federal Parliament to allow anything of
26:07
Speaker 13: that sort was through the Hate Speech Bill.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess we'll find out as soon as Tony
26:12
Speaker 2: Burke gets these powers where his heart is, we'll see
26:15
Speaker 2: if he actually uses them to address what we all,
26:18
Speaker 2: I think agree is the real problem in our country now.
26:21
Speaker 2: The Coalition voted against Labour's tougher gun control laws, which
26:25
Speaker 2: tighten background checks and create the possibility of a national
26:27
Speaker 2: buyback scheme. The PM insists of laws are not targeting
26:32
Speaker 2: farmers or lawful gun owners.
26:34
Speaker 3: Do you agree?
26:37
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, I don't agree.
26:40
Speaker 13: I think what we're doing is targeting law abiding citizens, farmers, hunters, collectors,
26:46
Speaker 13: recreational shooters, sporting enthusiasts who happen to need guns to
26:51
Speaker 13: be able to go and do what they've done in
26:54
Speaker 13: a law abiding way. It's not the farmers and those
26:57
Speaker 13: other people who who are going to go on boy
27:00
Speaker 13: and shoot people who happen to be Jews. They don't
27:05
Speaker 13: have murder in their minds and they don't have hatred
27:08
Speaker 13: in their hearts. They are law abiding, good citizens of
27:11
Speaker 13: Australia and that is why I very much stood up
27:15
Speaker 13: for them today. This isn't like nineteen ninety six and
27:19
Speaker 13: Port Arthur. This is not like this at all. And
27:21
Speaker 13: let me tell you, Anthony ALBERANIZI is no John Howard
27:25
Speaker 13: or Tim.
27:26
Speaker 4: Fisher hate that the truth.
27:29
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, Michael, I have to ask
27:31
Speaker 2: you about your good mate Barnaby Joyce went over to
27:34
Speaker 2: one nation doing quite well in the polls.
27:39
Speaker 13: Well, that Parll the other day was oney two hundred
27:42
Speaker 13: and twenty four people out of what nineteen million voters
27:48
Speaker 13: nineteen point nine million voters. I work it out, it's
27:51
Speaker 13: zero point zero zero six eighty two percent.
27:55
Speaker 1: Of the eligible voting public. Now would you say that,
28:00
Speaker 1: I mean really, if.
28:00
Speaker 2: You don't like would you say that about Newspole if
28:03
Speaker 2: it was giving a good result to the Nationals.
28:06
Speaker 1: Look, I've never really believed in pols.
28:09
Speaker 13: If you believed in Poles, the voice would be in
28:11
Speaker 13: power now if you inacted now if you believed in pole,
28:14
Speaker 13: Scott Morrison and I wouldn't have won the twenty nine
28:17
Speaker 13: in election, but we did. And you know we had
28:21
Speaker 13: betting agencies pay out on labor before the twenty nine
28:24
Speaker 13: in election because they thought it was a fader complete.
28:26
Speaker 13: I mean, I mean, if you don't like a pole,
28:28
Speaker 13: wait for it. There'll be another one next week or
28:30
Speaker 13: the week after. So many people have often said to
28:33
Speaker 13: me they've never even been polled.
28:35
Speaker 1: So I look at one nation to a protest group.
28:40
Speaker 13: It's not a party of government, and I have to
28:43
Speaker 13: say the Liberals and Nationals are, and given what's happened
28:47
Speaker 13: and given the dissatisfaction with the government, I think when
28:50
Speaker 13: people get in that voting booth, when they get that
28:52
Speaker 13: ballot paper in front of them, when they see a
28:55
Speaker 13: local champion with the Liberal or Nationals beside them, I
28:58
Speaker 13: think they'll do the right thing.
28:59
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty eight.
29:00
Speaker 2: I'm hearing what you're saying. I'm just thinking, and I
29:02
Speaker 2: reckon other people be thinking it too. The Coalition want
29:05
Speaker 2: to be a party of government, but are being outpolled
29:07
Speaker 2: by a protest party, as many are describing it. So
29:11
Speaker 2: some work ahead for the Coalition, but appreciate the work
29:14
Speaker 2: you're doing. Michael McCormick, thanks for joining me.
29:16
Speaker 4: As all right, all right, still ahead.
29:18
Speaker 2: New South Wales has just logged four shark attacks in
29:21
Speaker 2: forty eight hours. Beaches are closing and surf Life savers
29:25
Speaker 2: are telling people just go to a swimming pool instead.
29:28
Speaker 2: Shark expert doctor Daryl McPhee joins me live next and
29:31
Speaker 2: if you're planning to go to the beach this week,
29:33
Speaker 2: tell you what you want to hear what he has
29:34
Speaker 2: to say.
29:35
Speaker 3: That's next.
29:39
Speaker 2: One shark attack, that's front page news. But in New
29:42
Speaker 2: South Wales we've had not one, not two, not three,
29:44
Speaker 2: but four shark attacks in just forty eight hours.
29:48
Speaker 4: It's made headlines around the world.
29:50
Speaker 2: But more importantly it's got Sydney side as understandably nervous.
29:54
Speaker 2: Surf Life Saving is warning people to stay out of
29:57
Speaker 2: the water, with some beaches on the city's north close
29:59
Speaker 2: to swim who've been told and I quote, go to
30:03
Speaker 2: the pool. Authorities are blaming weather conditions for the spate
30:06
Speaker 2: of attacks. Sydney's had recent heavy rains that have made
30:09
Speaker 2: the water murky and attracted sharks closer to the shore.
30:12
Speaker 2: Joining us now to discuss is shark expert, Doctor Darryl McPhee. Darryl,
30:17
Speaker 2: thanks for joining me on the program. Four tar shark
30:20
Speaker 2: attacks in forty eight hours.
30:23
Speaker 4: What's going on.
30:25
Speaker 14: It's certainly unprecedented.
30:27
Speaker 7: It's not unusual to get clusters of bytes, but three
30:29
Speaker 7: and twenty four hours around Sydney and then a further
30:33
Speaker 7: one in New South.
30:34
Speaker 14: Wales certainly unprecedented.
30:36
Speaker 7: Soundly in contemporary history.
30:40
Speaker 14: There's been a perfect storm.
30:42
Speaker 7: It's the best time of the year or the time
30:44
Speaker 7: of the year when bull sharks are most abundant in
30:46
Speaker 7: Sydney Harbor and surrounds, generally in February, when the water
30:50
Speaker 7: is warmer, the rain in the catchments create that murky
30:54
Speaker 7: water to flush debait from the upstream reaches of Sydney
30:58
Speaker 7: Harbor from Paramountera River and Lane Cove River. Has probably
31:02
Speaker 7: congregated them around the mouth and the adjacent beaches. Sharks
31:06
Speaker 7: always occur around Sydney. Bull sharks always occur in these months,
31:11
Speaker 7: but of course we don't always see this series of bites.
31:15
Speaker 4: Doctor McPhee.
31:15
Speaker 2: Back in November you warned that rising shark numbers had
31:19
Speaker 2: increased the threat of attacks.
31:22
Speaker 4: Tragically, you've been proven right.
31:24
Speaker 2: Is there anything that could have been done between the
31:27
Speaker 2: time you were warning that we might have this situation
31:30
Speaker 2: and now.
31:34
Speaker 7: Look, it's easy to say things at hindsight that no
31:39
Speaker 7: predicted or anywhere else sort of predicted four bites in
31:42
Speaker 7: a short period of time.
31:45
Speaker 14: The government has tools that it's disposed.
31:47
Speaker 7: I think it's probably deployed very well the tools that
31:50
Speaker 7: it has, But sadly in this neans as.
31:53
Speaker 14: It just wasn't enough with the circumstances.
31:56
Speaker 2: One attack shocking, two attacks, wow, three attacks, what the heck?
32:00
Speaker 4: Four attacks? This is ridiculous.
32:03
Speaker 2: Should we be prepared for more shark attacks in the coming.
32:06
Speaker 14: Days fingers crossed? Let's hope not certainly.
32:11
Speaker 7: Obviously it's devastating for the families and the victims and
32:15
Speaker 7: obviously having a significant impact on beach culture in Sydney,
32:20
Speaker 7: which we all know is Australia as a beach We're
32:22
Speaker 7: a beach country, and the beaches around Sydney some of
32:26
Speaker 7: the jewels in the Crown. So it really is affecting
32:30
Speaker 7: communities as a whole.
32:32
Speaker 4: Many people have talked about the need for shark culs.
32:34
Speaker 2: You've talked about large numbers of bull sharks in Sydney Harbor.
32:39
Speaker 2: It is a popular tourist place as well as locals
32:41
Speaker 2: wanting to enjoy the water.
32:42
Speaker 4: Are shark culls the answer?
32:45
Speaker 7: The greatest Sydney area already has shark nets in place.
32:49
Speaker 7: They are obviously highly contentious, diversity of views on whether
32:53
Speaker 7: they work and whether they're socially acceptable Personally, I don't
32:57
Speaker 7: think a cull is the answer this point in time,
33:04
Speaker 7: and I suspect the government won't go down that path either.
33:07
Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about whether shark culls or nets
33:09
Speaker 2: are socially acceptable. I'll tell you what's not socially acceptable.
33:12
Speaker 2: That's people being taken by sharks. One last question before I.
33:16
Speaker 4: Let you go.
33:17
Speaker 2: People wanting to go for a swim in the next
33:19
Speaker 2: week or so, what should they do to keep themselves
33:22
Speaker 2: safe other than you know, cross your fingers.
33:25
Speaker 7: Avoid any murky water, swim between the flags on patrol beaches,
33:31
Speaker 7: avoid any areas where there's a lot of activity of
33:33
Speaker 7: baitfish in particular, and particularly try and avoid that late
33:38
Speaker 7: afternoon period.
33:39
Speaker 2: Doctor Derreyl McPhee, I appreciate your time this evening, Thanks
33:42
Speaker 2: so much. The elban Ezy government has been invited to
33:46
Speaker 2: join Trump's Gaza Board of peace, which kind of creates
33:50
Speaker 2: an interesting situation for the PM, doesn't it. Albanezy famously
33:54
Speaker 2: or should I say, infamously recognize the non existent state
33:57
Speaker 2: of Palestine United Nations even while Hammas still controlled large
34:01
Speaker 2: swathes of the region, and then Elbin Easy tried to
34:04
Speaker 2: take some credit for Trump's ceasefire plan, despite the fact
34:08
Speaker 2: he played absolutely no part in it, and despite the
34:10
Speaker 2: fact Trump said nations recognizing Palestine had been an obstacle
34:14
Speaker 2: to peace.
34:15
Speaker 4: Well, now our PM can play a.
34:17
Speaker 2: Meaningful role joining Donald Trump on a board overseeing the
34:20
Speaker 2: transition of Gaza.
34:22
Speaker 4: But will he joining me now?
34:23
Speaker 2: Is IPA Senior fellow and chief economist Adam Crichton, Adam,
34:27
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program.
34:29
Speaker 4: Two questions.
34:30
Speaker 2: Should the Albanesi government accept the position on Trump's Board
34:34
Speaker 2: of peace and do you think they will?
34:38
Speaker 15: Yeah, they certainly should accept it. In fact, I'm actually
34:41
Speaker 15: shocked that they've delayed. They've known about this invitation for
34:44
Speaker 15: something like twelve hours and they haven't said no. And
34:47
Speaker 15: this is a country whose ambassador has just had to
34:50
Speaker 15: leave in some disgrace.
34:52
Speaker 3: Basically, so, I.
34:53
Speaker 15: Think this is an extraordinary opportunity for Australia to finally
34:57
Speaker 15: exert some authority on the world stage again. I think
35:00
Speaker 15: my view is former US crosspoderfy Australian.
35:03
Speaker 3: I was there for four years.
35:04
Speaker 15: The whole time I was there, I saw Australia's power diminishing.
35:07
Speaker 15: I think in the international stage, Trump has given us
35:10
Speaker 15: a fig leaf and we should take it. There's only
35:13
Speaker 15: five or six or seven spots on this board and
35:16
Speaker 15: it's been offered to Australia.
35:18
Speaker 3: I think it's a great.
35:19
Speaker 15: Offer from the US President and we should accept it.
35:21
Speaker 15: And it actually could also go some way to diffusing
35:26
Speaker 15: some of the problems at home we have.
35:28
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, let's talk about inflation. The International Monetary
35:31
Speaker 2: Fund is warning Australia's inflation problem is proving stubborn.
35:35
Speaker 4: That's their word.
35:36
Speaker 2: They say we're in for a drawn out period of
35:38
Speaker 2: above target inflation and they're urging the Reserve Bank to
35:41
Speaker 2: remain vigilant. What do you read into the IMF calling
35:44
Speaker 2: Australia out like.
35:44
Speaker 15: This, well stubborn, it's embarrassing. The inflation rate is almost
35:50
Speaker 15: four percent. It's something like two percent of the US,
35:52
Speaker 15: two percent of the UK.
35:54
Speaker 3: The reality is.
35:55
Speaker 15: The interest rate in Australia is too low and there's
35:57
Speaker 15: too much money creation. I mean the volume of money
36:00
Speaker 15: M three it's called technically, is growing at about seven
36:04
Speaker 15: percent a year. So obviously, if you have more Australian
36:07
Speaker 15: dollars and say the same number of houses and apartments,
36:10
Speaker 15: then those houses and apartments are going to be worth
36:13
Speaker 15: a lot more.
36:14
Speaker 3: So you know, this idea that they're more expensive is
36:17
Speaker 3: really just a fiction.
36:18
Speaker 15: It's just the fact that there are so many Australian
36:20
Speaker 15: dollars being pumped into the market that these prices go up.
36:24
Speaker 15: So I think the Reserve Bank should increase interest rates.
36:27
Speaker 15: I know that's not great for first home buyers, but
36:30
Speaker 15: for the economy as a whole. I think you could
36:32
Speaker 15: make the case that it comes the housing market.
36:35
Speaker 3: You're less likely to get stupid investments.
36:38
Speaker 15: And you know, let's face that house prices, dwelling prices,
36:41
Speaker 15: the share market even are completely out of control in
36:44
Speaker 15: terms of price and it's causing a lot of social
36:46
Speaker 15: discord as well. That's why you're seeing, you know, a
36:49
Speaker 15: turnarway from the two major parties.
36:51
Speaker 2: Well, like inflation, the housing crisis isn't easing either. And
36:55
Speaker 2: now an urban planning expert is arguing that affordability won't
36:58
Speaker 2: improve unless immigration is cut sharply. A new ABS data
37:03
Speaker 2: shows nearly half a million migrants arrived on a permanent
37:06
Speaker 2: and long term basis in the year to November, while
37:08
Speaker 2: house prices rose more than nine percent last year. So
37:12
Speaker 2: without slowing demand, we need to build entire new cities
37:15
Speaker 2: to cater for everyone. Cutting immigration to numbers we can
37:19
Speaker 2: handle seems to me like a pretty obvious solution.
37:22
Speaker 4: Or am I missing something? And if it's obvious, what's
37:24
Speaker 4: the hold up?
37:25
Speaker 3: No, Look, it's it's certainly true.
37:27
Speaker 15: I mean, under the hat keeping years, the average migration
37:30
Speaker 15: rate was about eighty thousand year, and it was that
37:32
Speaker 15: for a very long time. It jumped up to about
37:34
Speaker 15: two hundred or one hundred and eighty thousand in the
37:36
Speaker 15: Howard era, and now as of last year it was
37:38
Speaker 15: three hundred thousand, and of course it was five hundred
37:42
Speaker 15: thousand just a few years ago.
37:43
Speaker 3: That is far too high. The government has a.
37:46
Speaker 15: Home building rate of something like two hundred and forty thousand,
37:49
Speaker 15: that's the target, but the actual building rates about one
37:52
Speaker 15: hundred and eighty thousand, so it's far lower. So of
37:54
Speaker 15: course rents are going to go through the roof and
37:56
Speaker 15: if rents go to go through the roof and you
37:59
Speaker 15: get more expensive dwellings as well. I mean, if they
38:02
Speaker 15: really concerned about housing affordability. And let's face it, both
38:06
Speaker 15: sides of politics are not really they both want house
38:08
Speaker 15: prices to go up.
38:09
Speaker 3: But if they were really.
38:10
Speaker 15: Concerned about it, they would put a massive pause on immigration.
38:13
Speaker 15: These levels two fifty three hundred a year. It is
38:17
Speaker 15: just too much. We have the highest growth rate in
38:20
Speaker 15: the Western world, right, I mean, that's crazy. So and
38:25
Speaker 15: yet there's very little discussion of that. I mean, you know,
38:27
Speaker 15: we've talked about the Liberal Party and their declining popularity.
38:31
Speaker 3: Where is their policy on this? It's only one nation
38:33
Speaker 3: that says anything about it.
38:35
Speaker 2: Well, you've perfectly segueed to the next topic I wanted
38:37
Speaker 2: to ask you about, and that's one nation outpolling the
38:40
Speaker 2: Coalition in the most recent news poll.
38:43
Speaker 4: Surprised at that result, not at all.
38:47
Speaker 3: And this is two polls, not just a news poll.
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Speaker 15: There was another one just a few weeks ago that
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Speaker 15: basically also.
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Speaker 3: Had the primary vote at twenty three.
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Speaker 15: Percent, which is an earthquake in Australian politics. This is
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Speaker 15: a party that for years and years since Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 15: came on the scene in nine ninety eight or whatever
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Speaker 15: it was nin ninety six. You know, it has been
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Speaker 15: at ten percent roughly, and now they're at twenty three.
39:07
Speaker 15: And I do also note that they've drawn they've drawn
39:10
Speaker 15: support from Labor just as much as the coalition. So
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Speaker 15: this is an earthquake. And just in terms of the
39:17
Speaker 15: way the cookies are falling, the cards are falling with
39:19
Speaker 15: these speech laws. You've got the Liberal Party supporting the
39:21
Speaker 15: government and the National Party are going as saying no.
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Speaker 3: So I see.
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Speaker 15: You could easily see a fracture in the coalition here
39:28
Speaker 15: and the Nationals go with one nation, which.
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Speaker 3: Would be very interesting indeed. But yet we are you know,
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Speaker 3: we are entering, in my view the sort.
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Speaker 15: Of territory politically that we've seen in the UK for
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Speaker 15: the past few years, which is the destruction of the
39:41
Speaker 15: major parties and the rise of new parties through just
39:44
Speaker 15: general frustration about immigration and prices.
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Speaker 3: And it is perfectly understandable in my view.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Labour's hate speech laws just before I let
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Speaker 2: you go. They look set to pass. They've gone through
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Speaker 2: the Lower House. Now the Senate will decide is this
39:58
Speaker 2: good legislation? And you have about the Liberal supporting it
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Speaker 2: or do you think it's a big mistake.
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Speaker 15: It's a huge mistake I think for the Liberal Party,
40:06
Speaker 15: and I think it actually could kill the Liberal Party
40:08
Speaker 15: actually supporting this agreeing with the government. These laws are actually,
40:12
Speaker 15: at least according to my analysis, even more tough than
40:15
Speaker 15: China's laws on hate speech right because you don't even
40:18
Speaker 15: have to cause any offense. It's just hypothetical offense. That's
40:22
Speaker 15: the only standard. So I think they are terrible laws.
40:25
Speaker 15: They are in overreaction. They are an emotional response to
40:28
Speaker 15: a tragedy, and so in that sense it's understandable. But
40:31
Speaker 15: we already have so many laws against speech at the
40:34
Speaker 15: state and federal level. They were toughened last year in
40:36
Speaker 15: fact in Victoria and New jes Walls and federally. But
40:40
Speaker 15: the laws need to be enforced the ones we have
40:42
Speaker 15: on the books. We don't need all these new vague laws.
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Speaker 15: I think it's a very sad.
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Speaker 3: Day for free speech in Australia if this law's passed.
40:48
Speaker 2: Adam Crichton, I always enjoy speaking with you, Thanks so much.
40:51
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
40:53
Speaker 2: we come back. Labour's gun reforms are through Parliament and
40:56
Speaker 2: now we're staring down the barrel. If you'll excuse the
40:58
Speaker 2: puttern of a possible two year buyback that could cost
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Speaker 2: billion dollars or more. Is this about stopping the next attack?
41:05
Speaker 2: Or are we just punishing people who have done nothing wrong.
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Speaker 2: Firearms lawyer Glenn Cable will join me next from Fiji.
41:15
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the program.
41:16
Speaker 2: Will Labour's gun laws set up the potential for two
41:19
Speaker 2: year buyback scheme costing around a billion dollars. It also
41:22
Speaker 2: means tougher license checks in the wake of the Bondai attack.
41:25
Speaker 2: Supporters say it'll tighten access to guns. Critics argue it'll
41:30
Speaker 2: punish law abiding owners and create a lot more red tape.
41:33
Speaker 2: Joining us is firearms lawyer with Hartman and Associates, Glenn Cable.
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Speaker 2: Glenn just briefly explain to me what's in this bill,
41:41
Speaker 2: Just simply, well, it's quite extensive.
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Speaker 12: They're trying to use as on the intelligence services to
41:51
Speaker 12: put further checks on everybody, to make it a lot
41:54
Speaker 12: more difficult for people to get a firearms license to
41:58
Speaker 12: access certain types of firearms.
41:59
Speaker 14: Now New South Wales.
42:01
Speaker 12: In particulars has had access to intelligence organizations for some time.
42:07
Speaker 12: In fact, if you appear before the tribunal, many times
42:11
Speaker 12: we've been asked to leave the hearing so that they
42:13
Speaker 12: can present intelligence reports and to put a case together
42:19
Speaker 12: against somebody having a firearms license. So in many cases,
42:24
Speaker 12: the what they've got has been effective and has already
42:28
Speaker 12: useful and been doing the job supposed to be doing.
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Speaker 2: So this new legislation, will it make Australians safer or
42:36
Speaker 2: is it just designed to make Australians feel safer.
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Speaker 12: I think you've nailed it with the second. It's to
42:43
Speaker 12: make Australians feel safer. The laws we have have been
42:47
Speaker 12: effective for a number of years and if they'd been
42:51
Speaker 12: administered appropriately, we wouldn't have seen what's been happening in
42:55
Speaker 12: instances like Bondai.
42:58
Speaker 2: The gun buy back is quite con traversial. What difference
43:02
Speaker 2: will that make to the safety of Australians.
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Speaker 12: I don't believe that would have altered the framework of
43:11
Speaker 12: what has taken place.
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Speaker 14: It would have happened anyway.
43:15
Speaker 12: All they're saying is that we're going to buy back
43:17
Speaker 12: a lot of firearms that effectively shouldn't be out there now.
43:24
Speaker 12: The legislation hasn't defined exactly how that's going to work.
43:28
Speaker 14: It hasn't defined whether parts are going to be part
43:31
Speaker 14: of that.
43:32
Speaker 12: And you've got to remember when you're talking an industry
43:36
Speaker 12: like this that's massive. I've heard it said that we're
43:40
Speaker 12: the second because you use of ammunition in the world
43:41
Speaker 12: after the US, mostly through vermin control. The technicalities and
43:48
Speaker 12: the nuances in this can't be properly defined yet, and
43:53
Speaker 12: the Russian legislation hasn't assisted.
43:56
Speaker 2: So I think most Australians would say, Look, we don't
43:59
Speaker 2: want Islamic extremists getting hold of guns and shooting up
44:04
Speaker 2: innocent people. What's the answer in terms of how we
44:08
Speaker 2: deal with the gun issue.
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Speaker 12: I don't think there is a correct answer. Unfortunately, we're
44:14
Speaker 12: seeing drive by shootings virtually every night now in Sydney,
44:17
Speaker 12: and they're not the law abiding firearm The radical lists
44:22
Speaker 12: have got firearms. Anyway, that's where we probably should be focusing.
44:26
Speaker 12: I'm not focusing on the law abiding citizens that are
44:30
Speaker 12: using and the vast majority of utilizing firearms legitimately and for.
44:36
Speaker 14: A proper purpose.
44:37
Speaker 12: It's a shame to see that segment of our community
44:42
Speaker 12: being targeted like it is.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Glenn Cable, I appreciate your help in understanding all
44:47
Speaker 2: of this tonight, thanks so much. We're going to go
44:50
Speaker 2: to a break when we come back. A BBC reporter
44:53
Speaker 2: is copying an absolute pasting after appearing to his when
44:57
Speaker 2: a guest mentioned Jesus plus elitked text I said from
45:00
Speaker 2: Donald Trump provides insight around his designs on Greenland. Tom
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Speaker 2: Slater joins me live from London after this. A BBC
45:10
Speaker 2: presenter is copying and absolute pasting tonight after viewers say
45:14
Speaker 2: she hissed when a young musician named Jesus Christ as
45:18
Speaker 2: one of his heroes, kind of like a vampire offended
45:20
Speaker 2: by a bright light.
45:21
Speaker 4: Have a look and just quickly he's who are your heroes?
45:25
Speaker 16: My heroes are santandeve Kenjick Lamar, most of all Jesus Christ.
45:32
Speaker 3: Well, it's lovely to meet you, Daniel Changer.
45:34
Speaker 2: Eye Now, the anchor says she didn't hiss at all.
45:38
Speaker 2: She claims she was merely taking a breath as she
45:41
Speaker 2: prepared to wrap up the interview. Joining me now is
45:43
Speaker 2: Spiked Online editor Tom Slater, who's never short of breath.
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Speaker 4: Tom. This has created a massive controversy. How did you
45:51
Speaker 4: view it?
45:52
Speaker 1: It has?
45:53
Speaker 16: I mean, watching that clip, it's certainly not a good look.
45:56
Speaker 16: It certainly strikes a very odd note. I would struggle
45:59
Speaker 16: to believe that in that moment she was just so
46:01
Speaker 16: overcome with hatred of the Christian faithful, that young gentleman
46:04
Speaker 16: in particular, that it was a here So I'm sure
46:06
Speaker 16: it was just a sharp intake of breath. But seeing
46:08
Speaker 16: that clip go around the Internet as quickly as it
46:11
Speaker 16: did does say something about how willing people are to
46:14
Speaker 16: believe the absolute worst about our national broadcast, which is
46:17
Speaker 16: telling about it standing in society at.
46:19
Speaker 14: The very least.
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Speaker 4: That is a very good point.
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Speaker 2: Whether she meant it or not, people naturally and immediately
46:25
Speaker 2: assumed the worst of the BBC, and I think the
46:28
Speaker 2: BBC is partly responsible for that.
46:31
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Donald Trump.
46:32
Speaker 2: He's escalating his push to take control of Greenland, and
46:36
Speaker 2: an extraordinary text message has been leaked. It was a
46:39
Speaker 2: message from Trump to Norway's Prime minister, in which Trump wrote, quote,
46:44
Speaker 2: considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel
46:47
Speaker 2: Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars plus, I no
46:50
Speaker 2: longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, orthough
46:53
Speaker 2: will always be predominant, but can now think about what
46:56
Speaker 2: is good and proper for the United States of a.
47:01
Speaker 2: A lot of journalists are now saying Trump is going
47:03
Speaker 2: to take Greenland because he's angry he didn't get the
47:05
Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize. Is that what's going on here? Or
47:08
Speaker 2: do you think that's a bit too simplistic?
47:11
Speaker 4: Maybe a little bit.
47:12
Speaker 16: I mean, it is staggering that Donald Trump's coveting of
47:16
Speaker 16: the Nobel Peace Prize might have had any influence whatsoever
47:19
Speaker 16: on this very thorny geopolitical issue that he's.
47:22
Speaker 14: Blundered his way into.
47:23
Speaker 16: I think the thing with Donald Trump is we often
47:26
Speaker 16: get caught between two wildly different perspectives on him. There's
47:28
Speaker 16: either the Trump arrangement syndrome, which suggests that he's about
47:32
Speaker 16: to scramble the jets over Greenland, We're about to have
47:35
Speaker 16: World War three, NATO is going to be over and
47:37
Speaker 16: so on and so forth. Or you've got the kind
47:39
Speaker 16: of Trump devotion syndrome on the other side, which is
47:41
Speaker 16: that everything he does is absolute genius. It's all part
47:44
Speaker 16: of some sort of grand strategy and there can't be
47:46
Speaker 16: any kind of element of it which is just him
47:48
Speaker 16: and his hurt feelings about the Nobel or any thing else.
47:51
Speaker 16: Is clearly that the truth is somewhere in between. Donald
47:54
Speaker 16: Trumps has been right about a lot of things on
47:56
Speaker 16: a kind of gut level geopolitically, but also that does
48:00
Speaker 16: co mingle with an element of hurt feelings, personal grievances,
48:04
Speaker 16: and is unique in a politician, leader of the free world,
48:08
Speaker 16: who's quite willing to openly have out those kinds of
48:11
Speaker 16: personal beefs in public.
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Speaker 14: So it's a grim spectacle. I wish it hadn't come
48:15
Speaker 14: to this.
48:16
Speaker 16: I also think that Greenland, ultimately its future should be
48:18
Speaker 16: decided by the Greenlanders and the Kingdom of Denmark. But
48:21
Speaker 16: I think we've got to look at this in a
48:22
Speaker 16: clear eyed way, and that's not helped when we're either
48:24
Speaker 16: catastrophizing about Trump or acting as if everything he does
48:28
Speaker 16: is because he's the bee's knees.
48:29
Speaker 14: Clearly, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
48:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right.
48:33
Speaker 2: I do think though, that when Trump talks about the
48:34
Speaker 2: Nobel Priest Prize, I think what he's ultimately trying to
48:38
Speaker 2: get at, and I would agree with this, is that
48:40
Speaker 2: the US gets very little credit, especially from the rest
48:44
Speaker 2: of the world in Europe for that matter, for the
48:47
Speaker 2: huge amounts of money they spend and for the incredible
48:50
Speaker 2: work they do to keep peace around the world. He's
48:54
Speaker 2: kind of made it personal, but I think the more
48:55
Speaker 2: general point is valid that the US get all the
48:59
Speaker 2: criticism and none of the thanks for what they do
49:02
Speaker 2: and have done for many, many years. Let's move on
49:05
Speaker 2: to Tory leader Kimmy Bedenok, who's called a mess meeting
49:08
Speaker 2: of Conservative MPs for tomorrow after the party lost more
49:14
Speaker 2: MPs to Reform UK in just the last couple of days.
49:18
Speaker 2: How do the Tories stop these defections to Nigel Faraja's reform?
49:22
Speaker 2: Can they stop the defictions?
49:24
Speaker 14: That's a really big question.
49:25
Speaker 16: I mean, calling a mass meeting of Tory mp sounds
49:27
Speaker 16: like making yourself a bit hostage to fortune, given the
49:29
Speaker 16: speed with which so many of them are heading for
49:31
Speaker 16: the exit at this point, we of course saw the
49:34
Speaker 16: defection of Robert Jenerck last week. We also saw the
49:36
Speaker 16: defection of Andrew Rossendell, who's a more of a backbench figure,
49:39
Speaker 16: but nevertheless someone who had been a Conservative MP forms
49:42
Speaker 16: twenty five years. Nigel Faras has set this deadline of
49:46
Speaker 16: May the seventh, the local elections here in England, for
49:50
Speaker 16: more defections after that point. He is not going to
49:52
Speaker 16: accept them. So the gauntlet has been thrown down by
49:55
Speaker 16: the Reform UK Party. It's really difficult to tell. I mean,
49:59
Speaker 16: on the one hand, it's quite clear that now all
50:01
Speaker 16: of the momentum on the right of British politics is
50:03
Speaker 16: behind Reform and the Conservatives have after these defections, looked
50:08
Speaker 16: far more weakened.
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Speaker 1: All that being said, what are you going to.
50:11
Speaker 16: Do as the leader of the Conservative Party throwing the
50:13
Speaker 16: tau at like this isn't a big deal, act as
50:15
Speaker 16: if it doesn't bother you that so many people are
50:17
Speaker 16: being so actively disloyal. So it's a really difficult situation.
50:20
Speaker 16: I think essentially the Tory Party is being left behind
50:23
Speaker 16: by the fact that the tectonic plates of British politics
50:25
Speaker 16: are shifting. The public barely remember that they're there most
50:29
Speaker 16: of the time. And what a staggering thing that is
50:31
Speaker 16: given this was up until very recently the democratic world's
50:34
Speaker 16: most successful political party and one that dominated governing this
50:39
Speaker 16: country for more for one hundred and fifty years. So
50:42
Speaker 16: it's a difficult situation. Kenny Baye not certainly wouldn't want
50:45
Speaker 16: to start from here. I think all she's left with
50:47
Speaker 16: is trying to project some strength, saying you're either with
50:50
Speaker 16: me or you're out, and that's all she's left with
50:52
Speaker 16: at this very difficult impast for her and her party.
50:55
Speaker 2: Just very quickly in a word or two, Tom, those
50:57
Speaker 2: deficting to reform, they're not insignificant peas either, are they.
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Speaker 14: No, not to all.
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Speaker 16: I mean, Robert Jenerick was very much the standard bearer
51:05
Speaker 16: of the right in the Tory Party. People like Andrew
51:07
Speaker 16: Ross just mentioned, very very loyal. This is not just
51:10
Speaker 16: about a few despondent characters around the edges. This is
51:13
Speaker 16: potentially much more significant defections to come as well. So
51:17
Speaker 16: it's really potentially critical for the party.
51:18
Speaker 14: There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Tom Slater, appreciate your time tonight. That's all the time
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Speaker 2: I've got coming up right now. Paul Murray