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CTK-52:Rassie’s Rugby Laboratory: Could an 8–0 Bench Work? · Cut The Kak

• Byron: Welcome back to another episode of Cut the KAK, the show where we talk about the sport we love but know absolutely nothing about. I'm Byron, that fool over there is Chad, finally wearing a nice jersey. And Chad, let's cut the KAK. Chad: Let's do it, part. Byron: before we move on, I think we just want to take a moment to remember Hyron Andrews, who sadly passed away on Saturday morning. Hiron was a lock for the Ten Bet Lions, having previously played for the Sharks, and his passing is a massive loss for South African rugby. but I think one of the most powerful things to come out of the tragedy was a response from the French. the players and the supporters from La Rochelle applauded the Lions as they arrived at the stadium. they stood in silence, honored Hyron's number five jersey, and gave the Lions a standing ovation after the game. And I think we can talk about it later. But the Lions were outgunned, but did they play with some heart, my goodness. I think that really says something about rugby though. we spend so much time, especially on the show, arguing about referees, giving each other KAK about results, and taking the rivalries between the teams seriously, of course. but when something like this happens, all of that kind of disappears. It doesn't matter what country you're from, what team you support, or what jersey you wear, we're all part of the same rugby family and seeing that kind of respect and compassion from the French supporters and the players, I think was genuinely special. so here from Cut the KAK, our thoughts go out with to Hiron's wife, his children, his family, his friends, his teammates, and everyone that knew him and around him. so rest in peace, Haron, and thank you for what you've given to the game. Chad: Yeah, no, couldn't have said it better myself. was an absolute shock. I mean, we can go straight into that game, maybe. But Byron: Yeah, sure. Chad: what an emotional game to watch. I have never wanted the Lions to win anything more than that game. Also, bro, if it was me, I wouldn't have been able to do it. Watching the boys line up. that moment of silence would have been an absolute wreck. Byron: And it was so fresh. It it was Chad: SoFish Byron: that morning. You know, usually when something Chad: Yeah, no. Byron: I mean, obviously no one wants this to happen, but when something like this happens, there's that period where you get to process and and understand what happened, and then you know, you have a few days before your next game. They had a few hours. Chad: Yeah, no, it's I think I don't mean I don't know how true any of this stuff is, but I know that they apparently they had an option to not play the game. Byron: Yeah, I heard that as well. I s or read that, should I say. Chad: tough call, but to do it for your boy is yeah, it's hectic. Byron: And look, if you look at the two squads that came out and played, the Low Rochelle team is stacked in comp co com compared to the Lions team. so Chad: Yeah. Byron: I think, you know, even if something like this didn't happen, I don't think that the Lions would have gotten a favorable result. I think with this happening, it was almost whatever happens, happens. Like I feel like this loss isn't as bad. because of of of all the things that surrounded before it. But I do think that the Lions played incredible rugby. sure the Chad: Yeah. Byron: maybe the score line doesn't show it, but man, with all that was going on and and and and how they played, the trials they scored, the heart that it was like it was like you said, an emotional game from start to finish. Chad: I was hectic but you're right the scoreline only really kind of. I want to say blow blew out, but it was 1914 and halftime. or shell scored one try in the 60th minutes after that's another 20 minutes and then another one, about 15 minutes after that to get to a 31 14, but The boys, could see they were giving Byron: Everything. Chad: fucking everything. it was wholesome to see, but heartbreaking at the same time. And I've never, ever, ever wanted them to win a game more. Byron: And I think I think as well the the the the fans and then the the La Rochelle team, not just the players but the team, the coaches, the staff, Chad: Yeah. Byron: the you know, everyone was supportive, they were kind, they were there for the game, but they were also there to make sure, you know, knowing what had gone on that they were there for the Lions. I I think you've seen Chad: I heard the coaching staff and stuff all went to the hotel after the news had broke. All those African players, the three South African players went over there, didn't like it and all of them. Byron: Yeah. And I think as well, you know, just even the before the start of the game when the Lions bus and the players were arriving, the all Chad: Yeah. Byron: of the Lower Shell fans weren't yet in the stadium. They were actually on the outside of the stadium to welcome in the Lions. And you know, it seems it seems silly, but a gesture like that goes a long way in in a in a moment like that, I think. Chad: Hmm. And as I got you said, it does show you how. There's no better way to say it. There's no better sport or how lacquer is rugby is what I'm trying to say. How lacquer is rugby for that? Yeah. Byron: Exactly. Yeah. It's I know it's a it's an old saying and everyone that plays rugby has heard it. It's the you know, with football, it's a gentleman's sport played by hooligans and then rugby's Chad: Yeah. Byron: a hooligan sport played by gentlemen. and I think when something like this happens it it just goes to to to prove it even more. Chad: But not even just the Oaks that play it. For majority the fans, the Byron: Fans. Yeah. Chad: rugby community as a whole is a lack of thing. Yes, we give each other shit and I rip on the Welsh every week and I'll rip on Australia for ruining everything. Byron: Cody Taylor for me every week. Chad: But at the end of the day, if you had a bra and like I don't want to say like if the It's only going to be like this when there's a tragedy because it's After a game, you can go fuck each other up horribly, then go into the sheds and have a beer with your opposition and Byron: Unless you're the tooth I wouldn't win it, I d unless you're the twenty ten first team Glenwester High Rugby team. Because there were a few oaks on that team that if we lost the game there was a fight at the at the end of it. So everyone else except Chad: Yeah, but that's that's because we were in the south of Johannesburg and regardless of what happened, there was going to be a fight. Byron: You could win the game and there'd still be a roll at the end of the game. Chad: It's going to be the equivalent of booing in an Irish game. Byron: In a in a a at a Scottish Irish home game. Jeez Louise. Chad: Yeah. Byron: so yeah, I mean the the it the Lions were the only South African club side. I guess the Cheaters as well. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: so the Lions did lose that game. Speaking of the Cheaters, real quick, let's just go wait, no, I'm jumping around too much. Let's finish the Invest Champions Cup. Not gonna go over all the results. Of course, there's a lot of them. I just wanna see Chad: The challenge or the championship? Yep. Trying to Byron: Champions Cup first, Champions Cup first. Chad: blow, I can blow through the results quickly. Byron: Sure. Chad: Start the week off with an absolute banger. 36-36 Glasgow vs Bordeaux. Salisharks vs Glasgow. Ended up Glasgow winning. Kind of expected. Bulls beating Stade de France. 56-20 Clermont. Byron: What a game. Chad: Yeah, was the Bulls who flexing muscles. I didn't know they had. Lens to be in Clemont, 4823 Stormers putting absolute carnage on the Bristol Bears after last year's game. Yes. Byron: I got something to say on that. That Sinatla handoff for the Stormers second try. Where Sinatla's on fire this year. But I actually I don't have a funny commentator moment of the week, but I do have an interesting commentator moment of the week from this game. Chad: Tommy. Byron: So I had the English commentary on and I think Paul DeVilius was captain for the game. And they were talking about Paul DeVilius being the next Springbok hybrid player, but not the same hybrid player as we've seen from Esther Hazen. Instead, they're trialing him at hooker and at flank. Like they Chad: Hold the villias! Byron: Like they had with Dion Ferry. Chad: Yeah, but Poldovilus is significantly bigger. Byron: A lot smaller. Smaller. Chad: You reckon? think it's taller. Byron: That's okay. But we had a moment it was a few weeks back where we were talking about how do we fit Paul DeVilius in to the rugby world cup squad, given the ridiculous back trio that we have with Sia Khaleesi, Peter Stef the Toy, and Visa. You you don't get into that three. It doesn't if you watch this you Chad: Unless it's injury, yeah. Byron: exactly. If there's an injury grade, if there isn't, which we obviously don't want, you've got those three that would start in almost any team around the world. but if that is the case, then you have the hybrid player of Paul DeVilius, who can come on at hooker, or as we've seen with Malcolm Marks, Malcolm Marks can play the full eighty. I think it's a it's a brilliant, absolutely brilliant way to get a player like Paul Davilius into the squad and allows us the flexibility to have him come on in the tight three or in the loose three. Chad: So wow, that's crazy thing to think, but yeah. Byron: So I wanna I'll thank the I should have got the commentator's name, but shout out for raising that point. Cause when I heard that, I was like, another Russie mad laboratory experiment going on here. And then Chad: But can we? Yeah. Byron: so the storm's hooker got a yellow card. And that's what brought up the conversation. because he was throwing into the lineouts, which he did perfectly, but then when the scrum came, because he's not technically registered Chad: Yeah, okay. Byron: hooker. They had to bring on another hooker for the scrum. But if he's if he's training at hooker for the scrums, he can throw the ball in. We saw how beneficial it was in the last World Cup to have Dion Ferry in the squad. Chad: Yeah. Byron: If we have a a Paul DeVilius hybrid and a Andre Esta Hazen hybrid, maybe we go an eight zero split. We have an eight zero split. Chad: Yeah, but he named you a squad. Yes, us. Byron: Maybe we start doing Four props on the bench. Each oak plays twenty thirty minutes Chad: Just rotate them like 20 minutes. Byron: and then two twenty five minute splits. And we just there's just fresh scrums for eighty minutes. Chad: Just us, could you imagine? We just knocked the ball on because we can, just because we want to scram. Byron: Anyway. Exactly. Yeah. If if if we're in the the opposition half and we're looking for a a three pointer. Chad: I know. Byron: no, I dropped it. Oopsie. All of Chad: You Byron: all of a sudden the the Springboks have the highest handling errors in in World Cup history. Chad: But also the biggest fucking petals Byron: Just slotting penalties, just three hundred no from a hundred shots at goal. Chad: Yeah, yeah, Paul-Ord's got the world record for the highest point scorer because he's Byron: Point score in the World Cup. Chad: kicking 60, 60 kicks a game. Byron: Ha ha ha ha. okay, sorry, keep going on with your your your your scores. Chad: no, one more thing about that game. So not list celebration with his backflips and stuff is. Byron: Wild behaviour. Chad: I reckon you should learn how to that, Byron. I want to see you replicate that's... ...athleticism. Byron: Chad, how many bones do you want me to break? Excuse me, how many bones do you want me to break before I get to that point? Chad: I just want to see you do it. So I'm doing Byron: Can I use a trampoline? Chad: this for you. Byron: Can I can I can I use a jumping castle? Chad: No, we'll do it in Hong Kong. We'll get you run down in the hotel lobby. Byron: Get us kicked out of the hotel before we even get settled. Chad: And then we go who do we had read Saracens first Connacht kind of winning that one 45 36 Laura shell obviously respect with this one being the Lions 31 14 months are racing Months on winning that one 33 25 bath beating Montpellier. I know Montpellier being a path 32 14 pow poop pow always misses misses one up first lester absolutely manhandling them talon and extra which is a exciting game for sure Byron: The game of the weekend. The game of the weekend. Chad: 4340, absolute banger, went down to the last minute. Byron: And and and to lose having thirteen men on the field, then fourteen men, then back to thirteen. what a game. What a game. Chad: Yeah, wild. And then Northampton verse kind of... Byron: Yeah. Expect it. then quickly in the EPCR, I'll go over these then. Dragons beating USAP twenty-nine fourteen. Toulon beating Edinburgh 2717. Sharks, great game. Looked Chad: Brother! Byron: good, but they kind of left a little late, don't you think? Chad: No, it's all part of the plan. That was all part of the plan. What a game though. Byron: What a also an exciting game. Chad: Dude. And the lacquer thing for me, the thing that I enjoyed the most about that game was it was the young boys that put their hands up in that game. Ciar, Nick Hudson, Byron: Mm C I Chad: Ciar is going to be a problem. Had a really good game. Byron: The sharks just breed full backs. Coming on there. Chad: Yeah, if you think about it, like all the way back from God, who was the Frenchman we had? He played a 10 and 15. Byron: Michelak. Chad: Freddie Michalak. All the way from back then. And we've had Percy Montgomery. We've had Byron: But even bef I was about to say it started from Percy and the Lions have always the Lions, the Sharks have always just had quality at fullback. Chad: Yeah. And this guy is young and quality and I hope he stays there for a long time and embeds himself into that spot. Byron: And he gets to learn from Fussy. Chad: Yeah, I'm a little fussy too. Byron: Exactly. okay, then we had Ospreys beating Black Lion thirty-nine fourteen. Ulster crushing Zebre Palmer forty twenty-one. Scarlets beating the Red Bulls, which is crazy because it's the Scarlets. And they beat Newcastle Red Bull forty seven fourteen. The Chad: Yeah, badly. Byron: URC teams It did really well. There were a few premiership teams that had some good results, but the French and the URC sides dominated this weekend. And then I've got a bone to pick with Herschel Yankees. Because he did not need to do that to beat the cheaters. Chad: What? Byron: As a South African playing for a French side, you do not need to score the winning trial from your own half. It's not okay. Chad: you Byron: It's not acceptable. And high and and and and Yankees goes ahead and does that. Not okay. Chad: Well, we'll tag him. Byron: Yeah. Chad: Yankees, you know, we're not mad. We're just disappointed. Byron: So disappointed. The cheaters would have deserved that win. Chad: Yeah out of everyone I would have been okay if it was even the sharks I would have been okay but not the cheetahs Byron: Not the cheat. You can't, it's rude to do this to the cheaters. then Harlequins destroyed Vans, fifty seven nineteen. Castres beat Benetton eighteen nineteen. and then we got a big break now before the next round in December. So we'll take a break from the investor champions cup. Chad: I got URC this weekend. Byron: Brother, do you want to do that really quick since it's with the same size we're talking about? Chad: sure, bring them up. who's talking about them? You, me? Byron: I'll talk about it real quick. We'll go we'll do some predictions. we're going in starting with opening game of the weekend, Chad. Let's hear your thoughts. Cardiff host sharks. Chad: Look. It's gonna be close. Byron: I'm looking. Chad: No, it's gonna be fucking the sharks back 600 Byron: Or you as your usual go to, Sharks by twenty two. Chad: No, it's not going to be 22. It's going to be bigger than that for sure. No, Byron: Okay. Okay, big mouth. Chad: I reckon. No, we're going to absolutely smash it. It's going to be. It's going to be good. I can't wait. Byron: Okay. So we got a Sharks one there. Connacht hosting Zebre. Chad: yeah Byron: Should be an easy win for Connacht, yeah. Should be an easy win for Connor. Then the other game Friday night is Edinburgh hosting the Lions. That's gonna be a cracker. Chad: That's gonna be a good one. Byron: I can't predict that one. I'm obviously hoping for a Lions win, but they are in Scotland. it's a Friday night. Yeah, they just they're on their way Chad: And it's going to be an emotional as Byron: back from France after everything happened. So again, Chad: Yeah. Byron: a win would be amazing, but I think if Chad: God, it'll be so good. Byron: if if results don't go away, I think that's okay. Yeah, Chad: Wouldn't be surprised, yeah. Byron: I think it's okay. Then we go to Saturday. Woo! I can't the way they're playing. I can't wait to watch this. Bulls ho Bulls host Ulster. Chad: Bulls by a metric fuckton. Byron: No, the next game is by match. Stormers are gonna host Scarlet. Chad: okay. I take it back. You're right. Yes. Byron: Say less, we know. Chad: Yeah, unlucky well shrugged me. Byron: then what else we at the same time we have Benetton hosting Glasgow. Obviously a nice little easy one Chad: Let's go. Byron: there for Glasgow there. Good game on the weekend. We have Leinster hosting Munster. Chad: Ooh, it's a 50-50 twin-cross. I'll just go home team Lensar. Byron: I love your little spoonerism there. You called it a twin coss. Chad: Yeah, I was hoping you didn't notice it but here we are. Byron: No no no no. and then to end the weekend, we could all skip over this one where we have Osprez hosting the dragons. Chad: Yeah, I'm glad they kept it for the last game. Byron: Saturday night, no one's watching. We move on. Chad, hold on. One thing here. Before we move on, we're gonna talk about the ladies' game that have the games that happen over the weekend. But this segment of Cut the KAK is brought to you by Surfshark. If you're a rugby fan, especially a South African living overseas, you know the pain of the internet deciding what you can and can't access, depending on where you are. That's where Surfshark comes in. Surfshark VPN encrypts your internet activity, changes your IP address, and gives you access to thousands of servers around the world. Plus, one subscription covers unlimited devices. And it's not just a VPN. Surfshark also offers features like ad and tracker blocking, data leak alerts and alternative ID. Head to the link in the description. Surfshark, protect your internet and then get back to arguing about the rugby. That's all I got. Then the ladies, we had some nice international games over the weekend. Did you watch any? Chad: I did. I watched the Black Ferns absolutely crush France. Byron: Eighty one twelve. Chad: I was watching it, so my youngest, three years old, not the greatest with numbers yet. So I was in the kitchen and I was like, what's the score? He goes, the blue team's got 12, the other team's got a much bigger number. I was like, cool, what numbers is it? He goes, eight one. I was like, that can't be right. And I went to have a look, it was eight one, I was like, Jesus. Byron: This can't be right. Chad: I was like, that's too many points. And Byron: Yeah. Chad: Noah was right. Byron: good on him. Good on him. Yeah, no, eighty one twelve, wild score. Chad: Watch the highlights of the Aussie game too. yeah, and then Byron: Also, wild school. Chad: the Canada-England game. Byron: Brother? It it that's world number one versus world number two for a reason. Because did you see the the tribe of the Canadian wing? That Grubber eat your heart out, everybody watching rugby. Chad: How are... and we've said this many times, woman's rugby is getting so good so quickly. Byron: And if from Chad: It's... Byron: from Mole I mean, obviously there's teams that are above and beyond. You see that in the the the the Chad: Yeah. Byron: the Black Fern score and then the Australia I England versus Canada, both games have been incredible. But I agree with you. Chad: But still a much better watch than the rugby league World Cup. Byron: Chad, I don't I know we need to talk about that competition, but it it it it it Chad: Uh-huh. Byron: it it's it's yeah, we'll I we'll talk about it, but golly. Chad: But the women's game, I'm enjoying watching it more and more and more. I actually look forward to watching the games. I used to watch it just because they were on, but now I look forward to watching the New Zealand's play, the Australia's play, the England, Canada play, the South Africa's. Yeah. Byron: The the the the the lady box. Spr Springbok woman. Yep. A hundred percent. Chad: I reckon honestly in three four years the lady box will be playing up there like yeah. Byron: Top class rugby. Maybe not top not maybe not top two rugby just yet, but with much closer to a top five. Yeah. Talking about quarterfinals, Chad: I think top four, top five, a hundred percent. have zero doubt. Byron: semifinals for the next world not this next World Cup, the World Cup after, maybe. Chad: 100 % Byron: I do want to say something though. you know the last game, the England Canada game was a draw. I know Canada won this one, but I do think that England got her done a little dirty at the very Chad: Yeah. Byron: end. I think there was clear holding on in that ruck from England. Clear holding on. and there was clearly a lift, and the referee didn't tell her to release either, so she didn't have her hands on the ground. She was supporting her own body weight, lifted the ball, didn't get the call, eventually got cleaned off of it, because that's what happens. and then England scored in the very I mean Canada scored in the very next phase. So I think a little hard done by if you're English, but fuck me, what a game. What a game. what else did we have from that weekend? that ended off with USA beating Italy 3627. Chad: expected. Byron: then what I think is a little strange, we have repeat. Chad: We had chili in Mexico too. Byron: I I d I I don't see that one, but thank you. Chad: Chili Beats, Mexico 3910. was...un Eventful. Byron: Sick. What I think is strange is we have some repeat games this weekend. So Australia will host Scotland again, Canada host England again, New Zealand host France again, then Japan will host Wales, South Africa will host Ireland Chad: Island. Byron: in Cape Town, and end off the weekend again with USA vs Italy. So it's gonna be a fun weekend again. More ra more rachpey to be played. Chad: There's also other international moments but it's fine. Don't worry about them, Baran. Byron: I was only looking at the women's fifteen global series. I apologize to all the other professional ladies out there. Chad: Well, there's Finland and Germany, and there's Chile and Colombia. Two. Byron: I'd be curious to see what Finland versus Germany looks like. Because usually European rugby that's not part of the the the six nations is interesting. Like the well Chad: I just trying to get you to dig a hole, that's all. Byron: no no no no there's no holes to dig here. even the European championship that goes on when the Six Nations is on, and that's Portugal, Chad: Yep. Byron: Spain, Georgia, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: And Romania are the eight teams. I try to catch as much of it as I can, especially the games here in Amsterdam. But also it's a it's a very different style of rugby. So that's why I was curious to see what versus Chad: yeah. Byron: Germany would look like. do you want to, before we get back into club competition, finish off with what happened with the Bledisloe Cup? Chad: Sure. I've said this before on the show. Australia always know how to fuck something up. I had hope that it was going to be a one-all and a baron. Byron: I think they blew their load against the spring box. Chad: That's so fucking frustrating. understand. Byron: 'Cause they they played Chad: I understand not be winning at Eden Park. I get that. No one's going to win there for the next 6,000 years until an asteroid plummets into fucking Auckland city. Byron: Yeah. Chad: No one's winning there. So that's fine. But then could you try again? So he's fucking going off of me. Yeah. but then you get a game at home. with a decent team, not a lot of changes, not a lot of injuries coming into that game. And then you just, they just didn't show up. Byron: No, the All Blacks arrived, the game started, and then the All Blacks had won it within the first half of the first half. There was no coming back after those first three tries. Chad: Yeah, it's... Byron: It was so one sided when that game started. Chad: But it wasn't even fun. It was Byron: No, no it wasn't fun. Chad: for anybody. I don't even think that all of us enjoyed that win. And that's the Byron: The Chad: other thing about that competition, because it's a two game series, right? You have to win both. So you start your game in park, you've really lost the series. Before the game, before you kicked, as soon as those fixtures get announced, Byron: You look at it and you go, we're not winning the blade of slow this year. Chad: Adjust. Byron: Yeah. But also it's it's Chad: Host a Taylor Swift concert there. It would be way more entertaining. Byron: T Swift. I've if I heard correctly, and we could probably look this up and I probably should have looked it up, it's th they're on a thirteen game win streak against Australia. Chad: I mean, I would be surprised. limit object. Byron: Yes. Thirteen game win streak. Chad: Yep, that is diabolical. When was the last time? Hang on. Byron: That is Chad: was the last time Australia won? You what? Hang on. Byron: Go on. Chad: I didn't update this but let's have a look and see who did. Byron: You can I tell you can I tell you a crazy statistic about that thirteen game win streak? South Chad: Yep. Byron: Africa is only on a six game win streak against Wales at the moment. Chad: What's our record against Australia at the moment? Byron: we're losing. We lost the last time we played them, so there's no win streak. Chad: And the time before that, I'm pretty sure. Well, like last year we lost a game to them. Byron: Yes. No no no there was it was like I think it was loss win loss. Yeah. Chad: Yeah. That's fucking terrible. So if you ever look at this, New Zealand. New Zealand. draw Australia, Australia, Australia, Australia. And they got pumped by France. Yeah, hang on. me see my screen. Byron: That's wild. Chad: So this is Australia's stats, right? So they're into this massive patch of just being incredible. Byron: Dominant. Yeah. Chad: And then kind of from here, so they lost to us in 2005 Byron: Two thousand and five. Chad: and it's just been lost, lost, lost, lost, lost. These black ones are draws. Byron: Couple wins here, couple wins there. Chad: And they got like a streak of three, four. is probably the best one here, but who's this against? The US, Fiji, Uruguay, England, Jesus. 2015. Wales, before Wales fell apart. Scotland by one, Argentina, and then... Byron: And then plethora of losses. Chad: So when was this? That last run ended on the 25th of October 2015. Byron: Over a decade ago. Chad: That is disgusting. I can't believe you just said that. is fucked. Byron: It's feral. Chad: 2015 is the last time Australia was truly dominant. Byron: Dominant. Yeah. Chad: Because yeah, if Byron: But Chad: you look at these games here, like when they have these long streaks, it's always like with the Japan and I mean no disrespect to Argentina here, but to Argentina. Byron: Yeah, but that's twenty twenty one Argentina. But yeah, Portugal, Wales, you know, it's not it's it's Georgia. Chad: Georgia, yeah. Byron: But then I think what you said was crazy. Do you want to know when was the last time Australia beat New Zealand? Chad: Wind. Byron: Seventh of november twenty twenty. Chad: 26 years ago. Byron: No, twenty twenty twat, six years ago. Chad: sorry, yeah. Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: I was like, the message is messing, but yeah. Byron: I also anything in twenty twenty is with an asterisk because you know. Chad: Yeah, it doesn't count. Byron: So then the time before that was the tenth of August in twenty nineteen. Chad: Yeah, wow. Byron: So if you're an Aussie and the all blacks are on your list, you know, just maybe go do something else for the day. all right. Speaking Chad: You Byron: of how good New Zealand rugby is, do you wanna talk about the NPC semifinals? Chad: I do. Let me bring it up here. Byron: I'll start off with Northland Otago. Good game. I was enjoying it. Then the last twenty minutes came. Chad: Chaos arrived. Byron: And Northland just said, Why don't we just thrash these oaks? Chad: Yeah. Byron: And Otago didn't know what the ball looked like. All they knew was we're gonna tackle for twenty minutes and then they couldn't tackle. So there was just trial after trial after trial in those last it was and you know what? I think my favorite part of the those last twenty minutes were the fans. Cause they were having a good old time. Chad: That's the first time they've been there and so this is their think, I'm pretty sure this is their first final ever. Byron: Really? Chad: Double check that fix. But I'm pretty sure this is the first final in the history of the sport. of the competition, not the sport. Byron: Northland Chase maiden title as underdogs against Canterbury. Chad: And it sucks because I don't see them winning the final in Christchurch. Byron: But now that I know it could be their first title, I'm Northland all the way for for for for the final. Chad: I am too a little bit, but I am more cantery because... Byron: Of course you are, 'cause you live in the right chair. Chad: Yeah, but and also because they fucking beat us and we had a chance to... They just pissed me off, Northland. Byron: Yes, you missed the shield. I know. It's all your it's literally all your fault. So what are you complaining about? Chad: Yeah, but I just don't see that stadium. So playing with Crusher Stadium, new one is going to be pecs. Byron: Bumping. Yeah. MPC final, great competition, great season, two phenomenal teams. Chad: Great stadium, yeah. Can't you be going into Byron: And Chad: that one? Significant favorites and rightly so, Byron: Of course. Chad: I think. Byron: And it's you know, it if you look at the log, it's number one versus number two in the final. It's the way it should be. Chad: So it's going to be a great game. I'm really excited for that one. When is it? What's the time? Byron: for me it's Monday morning at two AM. Chad: That's a fantastic time to attract me. NPC 1pm. Perfect. Byron: So it should be Sunday afternoon for you. Chad: Saturday. Byron: Saturday afternoon. Wait. That doesn't make sense. Chad: Yeah, it's on, it's on, it's on, on, Byron: That doesn't make sense then. Something's wrong. Yeah, why is it saying Monday for me, though? I don't know. Not important. We'll figure it out. Chad: weird. But it's gonna be a draw. I reckon Canterbury wins that one for sure. But. Byron: They probably will, but I'm really hoping it's not the case. Chad: Fun fact, 20th of August, 2026, the last time they played, Northland won. Guess where they played? Byron: Cross Church. Chad: in cross-church. Byron: So they know it's possible, but they've never done it in a final, a maiden title. How sick would that be? Chad: They know it's possible. They've had to be nuts to win your maiden title in Christchurch brand new stadium. That's going to be, can guarantee I'll put my dick on a block that stadium sold out. Byron: I need to know now because I think we might have a new s segment on the show. It's Chad's dick on a block. Chad: What? Chances are it's it's going to happen. Let me see. Byron: Let's see if I can buy tickets. Chad: Okay, you go buy tickets. If you can buy tickets, you're coming. Byron: I would rather come to the World Cup next Chad: You've got two days to get here. Byron: year. Yeah, that's literally I'd have to land at the at the stadium. Chad: Well you basically would because it be in Christchurch so you'd... If Byron: Ha ha ha Chad: I... I'll drive down and pick you up from the airport. Go find a place to park the car. Byron: Chad, I got some bad news for you, son. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: There's plenty tickets to get still. Chad: I don't believe you. Byron: I'm looking at them. Chad: Cheers, Rune. What are they like for? Almost said something I couldn't say. Byron: they're fifteen bucks a pop. That's not unaffordable. Chad: Yeah, but what tickets are you looking at? Is it for... Byron: Standard tickets from Ticketmaster. Chad: Well, it's a thing I don't have to have any more kids. Byron: Hahaha behind the poles is five bucks a pop, baby. Chad: But I don't know what the hell you're looking at. Byron: it's five bucks for a child. Anyway, there's still tickets available, but it is it is gonna be a Chad: Yeah, for children. Byron: it is gonna be a sick one. Chad, there is one bit of rugby left to talk, and it's not union. Wait, sorry, I do have one more union topic. It's actually not technically union. there was the kick on sevens in Australia this weekend as well, which I thought was pretty cool. Fiji, Australia, Samoa, New Zealand in a small little local sevens competition, getting them ready for the the series that's coming up. Obviously preseason, there are a lot of new faces, a lot of squad combinations that won't be for the the main series. But happy to see seven starting up again. It's nearly time for the opener Chad: Yep. Byron: for the HSBC. So looking forward to that. But even when it comes to to Sevens rugby for the ladies, it's only Australia versus New Zealand. There isn't no one else is in the same is in the same world Chad: Well, yeah. Byron: as those two. It's fun, everyone can play for third, everyone can play for fourth, you know, Canada, France, ladies normally put up some some some good games. But skip the drama. Just put a win and a loss through the regular season and throw the two in the final and just let them have a proper cracker. Because Chad: 100 % Byron: They're not gonna every now and then they lose to someone else and they'll get third place or but it's first and second for them the whole series. they're so far ahead. It's it's crazy. But okay. Let's talk about it, Chad. The rugby league world cup started. Chad: Can you just brace myself for this? Byron: I have I have won my favorite highlight of every game from that weekend. And that's the Harvey Norman replay. No, it's the Harvey Norman Chad: New Zealand, Austria, can I guess? my god. Byron: replay. Chad: Which one, Byron? Byron: The Harvey Norman replay. Chad: Which one? All 487,000 of them? Byron: Every time there's tries you hear about our boy, Harvey Norman, and his replay. Chad: Harvey Norman, yeah. Byron: Because Harvey Norman's replay is here to stay. Chad: Yeah. I want to hear Byron: But the opener. Chad: what the opener that upsets. Byron: No. No, go go ahead. Tell me what you want to hear. Chad: what do you think of the competition? you've, did you watch all the games or at least like the highlights of them? Yep. Byron: I watched three games start to finish and then I caught bits and pieces of some other games. Chad: Okay, so about the same as me. What do you think of the international scene of rugby league and how Byron: Doesn't exist. Chad: it's... I hate it so much. I would... Byron: Doesn't exist. If you leave Oceania, there is no league. Chad: I would rather have them... Going back to our last pod when we spoke about who's playing what and the pool A, B, C, pool B and C being one pool and absolute shit. Byron: B plays C, C plays B, A does their own thing, chaos. Yes. Chad: Watching the teams play and trying to figure out the pools made me even more upset this week. because it's just so I'm like one-sided. I would rather just watch the top. Eight teams from the NRL duke it out. It would be more entertaining than this. So we'll run through the results quickly of the league. Byron: So we'll start with the opener because Chad: Yeah. Byron: out of all of the games the weekend, it was the only one worth watching. Chad: 100%. Byron: And the result bullshit. New Zealand were all over Australia in the first half. All over them in the second. They were more aggressive. They made more territory. They had more phases or sets or whatever the fuck you want to call it. They had more territory. They had more ground. They broke more. They were better. And Australia got Chad: in every way, shape, form. Byron: lucky on so many occasions in that game to get the win. Chad: Yeah, one thing that also really fucking annoyed me was the fact that old mate, one of the guys broke his arm, New Zealand's best player broke his arm and he just, Byron: And he just kept playing. Chad: he just kept on like at some points you've got to realize that that's kind of a bit selfish for your team because you can't do your thing. Byron: And look, he was still making his catches, but then he was standing still after the catch because, you know, your arm's broken. Chad: His arm is broken, yeah. Fucked. Byron: Yeah, no, the fact that he didn't come off earlier was I mean, you know, shout out to him for being able to play through the pain. incredible. But also, Chad: Yeah. Byron: as a medical staff, like the team doctor, th someone have a conversation with that person. Chad: Yeah, and be like, brother, can you just explain why? Yeah. Byron: Yeah, could you tell me why you let him play with a broken arm for as many minutes as he played for? also a nice highlight from that one. The score was sixteen sixteen. New Zealand get that line break. And full ass, the whole his whole cut, the whole from the all every angle was on display. And he went and scored the try. My favorite was when they were showing the Harvey Norman replay, they only showed the angle from the try line. Chad: The Byron: Very Chad: front, yeah. I saw that too. Byron: And if I'm not mistaken, he had a pair on a pair of budgie smugglers on. So Chad: Yeah, that's the thing. The Fafi is equivalent. Byron: Yeah, budgie s budgie smugglers. Man. But the result is very disappointing. The New Zeal Chad: Yeah. Byron: New Zealand deserved the win. They earned it, they played better. Chad: Samoa, Byron: Yeah. Chad: France. Byron: So that was the other game I watched start to finish. Brutal. So it Chad: I don't know how you got through that. I didn't watch that whole game. Byron: I I it was a certain point where I was just going, I just I just want France to do something. I it doesn't matter what they would have done. I just wanted to see them do something. What I did notice, Chad: They gotta try. Byron: they got to try in the first half. Chad: Just the one. Byron: But then Samoa scored three hundred. Chad: Yeah. Byron: There was something I noticed in that game. Now, this is coming from an idiot like me trying to learn league from just watching it over and over and over. And you would assume this is at the highest level. So there's no better place to watch. France did something different than what I saw in the opening game with Australia, New Zealand, and then obviously what I saw Samoa doing. But Chad: Contrast Byron: and tackling would be nice every now and then to finish a fucking tackle. Chad: You Byron: But if you watch those teams, the first four sets, it's one off pass crash ball, make as much ground as you can by running like a hooligan. Yeah? And then they do the cuddle on the ground so they can't offload and and Chad: Act like a fish, yeah. Byron: yeah. And then anyway, in what France was doing was playing hands in those first four sets. And inevitably they lost the ball. before they ever got to kick it. So Samoa Chad: Yeah. Byron: would just pick up the ball with in their thirty meter and go score a try because France were what I would assume is playing Chad: doing the same thing. Byron: a little bit more like union. But I I would assume that the French Union players cannot wait to get their hands on Samoa after that performance. To get a little redemption going. But France, the three-person tackle or the two-person tackle that you see from New Zealand and Australia, they didn't have it. So there were a lot of offloads and incomplete tackles and missed tackles. and then they just passed too much, which Chad: Yeah. Byron: you hear the argument leagues are more exciting than than union. Bullshit. if you're doing four Chad: Not at this level. Byron: crash balls, one fun play, and then a s and then a s a kick, and then the other team does four crash balls, a fun play, and a or whatever three crash balls, a fun play, and whatever it is, it's not that fun. Chad: No. Byron: Even the breakaway tries are not The I mean look at the the the the Canada grabber kick against England in the women's Chad: Yeah. Byron: game. I would argue that that try was more exciting than most of the tries I saw in in league. Chad: than any other truss. Yep. Byron: that you know when your whole cut's on display, it's not a bad try. Chad: Yeah, but that's for different reasons, Byron. Byron: Exactly. but yes, France it they they just play a different game than what League is and it it was not entertaining to watch. then I watched Chad: And Papa New Guinea vs Yo Boys. Byron: I watched this one because I wanted someone in our comment section was talking about how there's Lebanese players in the NRL and I was like, shit. I wanna watch this game. yeah, so there were a bunch of I saw in our in our comment section that people were saying that there's Lebanese players in the NRL. So I was excited to watch this game. Even when Papua New Guinea was scoring tries, it was just they're because the Lebanese Oaks missed tackles. And then when the Lebanese team scored, it was because the Papua New Guinea guys scored tackles. It was no flair. There were a few oaks from Papua New Guinea. I was like, shit, those oaks are proper athlete. I had nothing in there that was entertaining. then Tonga beating England, didn't watch it. and Fiji beating the Cook Islands. Also, if you look at the score line Tonga beat five tries to two and then Fiji a hundred tries to whatever it was. The score was 40-12. I missed Chad: Yeah. Byron: it. I'll as because I'm committed and we said we will, I will watch Tonga versus Lebanon on Friday. I will maybe it's a better game. At least we'll watch Papua New Guinea versus Moa. You could Chad: This is the thing that's annoying for me. You Byron: Yes. Chad: know a game is not worth watching when a betting company won't let you bet on one of the teams. Right. When they're not willing to take your money. They're always Byron: Because they know. Chad: willing to take your money. Byron: But they just know. Chad: But, so, four of this week's games coming up. There's one, two, three, four, there's five games. Four Byron: Yes. Chad: of those games, you cannot bet on the favorites because they are so far ahead. Byron: Yeah. Yeah. I mean i th I I would say the the the the game that's the most competitive is the game where both teams should lose, and that's England versus France. Chad: No, that's one of the games that you can't bet on. Byron: Who's the favourite in that? England. Chad: England. Jordan yeah here's the betting odds here's a shout out to Betcha Tonga versus Lebanon Lebanon are paying $26 to win that game Byron: So wait, the the way your odds work is you bet one dollar, you win twenty six? Chad: Yes. Byron: Okay. Chad: So that's fucking huge. Tonga can't put money on them. Papua New Guinea versus Samoa. But the odds is the best game or closest game of the weekend with Byron: That's fair. Chad: Papua New Guinea paying $9.25. France vs England, France playing Byron: You can't bet on Chad: combat on England, France paying $41. New Zealand vs Cook Islands, Cook Islands paying $41. Australia vs Fiji, Fiji paying $34. Like, this isn't Byron: What is there to watch? Chad: exactly, this is my thing. Like, this isn't about us, me saying, you can't make money on the gambling. It's about me saying, what the fuck's the point of watching this game when you, me, betcha, sports bet, everyone knows that this game's gonna be one sided. Like, what's the point of even having this round? Byron: Yeah. You I you you give the win to Tonga, you give the win to England, you give the win to New Zealand, you give the win to Australia, and everyone watches Chad: You maybe let Papua New Guinea and Samoa play. Byron: exactly. You let those two play and then we'll come back next week for the next round. Chad: Go do a fan signing for the weekend. Byron: I just for me it's that the games just are they not entertaining. Maybe look, I thought the even the Australia-New Zealand game, I didn't enjoy it that much, but there was there was some competitiveness to it. And I I did see someone argue online, it's the same as the group stages in the Rugby World Cup. You know, when New Zealand play Chad: No, disagree. Byron: Namibia, there's only one winner. We get that. But the stuff that happens during the game is exciting. Think of what was it, two thousand and seven? Chad: Okay, thank God, yep. Byron: Where what what were you thinking? Chad: So what you going say 2015, Japan, South Africa? Byron: No, no, no, we're not doing that, Chad. I believe it was 2007, Brian Habana. it was South Africa vers the US. And again, only one winner. But then there was that Chad: Yep. when you got caught. Byron: moment where it was Brian Habana versus the Zimbabwean winger who was playing for the US. Exciting. Something from that game that's tangible that we can talk about. I couldn't tell you a single thing from any of these games besides the Australia New Zealand game from the the the the opening weekend that's worth commenting on. And I'm trying. I will watch the games this weekend. I'm gonna hate watch. Chad: Old mate playing with his broken arm. That was the highlight of the weekend. Just because it's a super Byron: Well, at least Chad: freak. Byron: they're not gonna miss him on Sunday because they can play with the children's team apparently and they'll still get a result. Chad: Mmm. Byron: And then we haven't even spoken about it, but I guess we'll give it a quick talk through. The same time is the Women's Rugby League World Cup. Australia beat Samoa forty nil, Papua New Guinea beat France fifty eight four, England beat Wales seventy six and New Zealand beat Fiji eighteen twelve. So that's that. We're trying, rugby league. We're trying. But I agree with you. It would be better to just pick Oaks from the NRL, put him in. Also, why is it that it's the the the the the the league players get so physically exhausted in their games? More than sevens. Did you see that oak chundering after his breakaway try from Australia? He couldn't even take the kick. Chad: Look, bye. Bye. I stepped back on this argument. I went for a 3k run today and it was almost tundring. Byron: But you're not a professional athlete. Chad: Ayyyy... I'm barely human. Byron: w in the worst in the opposite end of the spectrum as this oak. Yes. Look, Chad: Yeah. Byron: fitter than I am, phenomenal, but it's he's not the first person I've seen from league where they get a breakaway try or even midway after a few sets, that's just dead. Maybe I don't understand the sport. Very possible. But I don't understand why fitness is such a problem at league level. They have rolling subs as well. Chad: You're get a bunch of hate comments. Byron: Tell me something I don't know. I Chad: Hahaha! Byron: don't know. I mean, I think it's it's awesome that players push themselves to that level where their body just decides you've you've gone too far. But I just I think it's a little strange that it happens I've watched a handful of games in league and I've seen it happen almost in in most of them. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Where someone will get up after a tackle and just stand still, hands on his knees, not injured, but out of breath, Chad: Just mook. Byron: exhausted. Hope he gets hit by a car instead. He'll be rather be anywhere Chad: You Byron: else but on that field. And I I I see it in sevens, which makes sense because guys are doing sixty meter sprints. Chad: Prince for seven minutes. Byron: Yes. In this, you don't sometimes you don't touch the ball in your full six sets. Chad: Should we do sprints when we're in Hong Kong? Let's see who channels first. Byron: We'll ask we'll ask one of the teams to put us through a d sprinting drill and we see which one of us dies. Chad: FFFFUCKIN' NISS Byron: Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Chad: I'll reach out to Marco and be like, boys, you need to help me out here. I'm not losing. Byron: You know what? We could have we could go through one of their warm-ups before a game and we'd be throwing up. Chad: Should we try it, see if we can organize it? Byron: I'm down. And we cr and we record the whole thing and it's just goes to prove that yes, we talk shit on this podcast. Yes, we're absolutely unfit and have no right to be giving anyone shit. But I'll still give people shit. Chad: No, Barry. You're fit. You get shit done. You do your crossfit and you're fucking good at it. Byron: And our referee, but Chad, my fitness level and their fitness level are so far they I'm as far apart from them as you and I are far apart. Chad: But my heart rate today of my last kilometer was at 172. I thought, Byron: Yeah. Chad: I didn't think I was going to make it home and it was three case. Byron: Did you do one and a half day, one and off back? Chad: That's just one full circle. Byron: Okay, so it was a loop or three K loop. Chad: pretty much yeah the worst bit of it was I was about 2.8 K's and I was just before my driveway and I was like I can't I can't not do 3 K's so I had to run past my house to get to a certain point to come back Byron: Your your hands out reaching towards the house like I could just go home. Chad: But Byron: But you did it and you didn't throw up. So it's a start. Chad: I was very close. Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: Thank you. Byron: Like very close. Chad: You know like on a Friday night and someone says, let's go to New Scaffae Maesdale. And you're like, yes. It's like a no-brainer. I was that close. Byron: Whew news cafe on that place. wait. Sorry, did you Chad: Anyway, but I think we should try. We should try. Byron: see that the Papua New Guinea game was in Papua New Guinea? It wasn't in Australia. Chad: I did not, I didn't notice. Byron: I actually would be curious to check if the Fiji game was in Fiji and not Australia, but we'll get to that next. Chad: well, there we go. We've got some, got some reaching out to do to see if someone can, when we're there. Byron: If if they're willing to kill us in Hong Kong. Yeah. I'm down. Then Chad: I'll sign a waiver. Byron: not rugby related, but I would like Chad: crickets. Byron: to talk. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Chad: Hey Byron: hey. So we'll go back to the first test. Didn't go our way. But we almost we put up a fight for that draw. Now what was crazy was that was Timba Bavuma's first loss. As Test captain for the Pro Tears. First Chad: Yeah, wild. Byron: loss, incredible stat. But then this game started, and Temba Bavuma said, You fuck I never again will I lose as captain. And then he goes ahead and hits 179 of 334 balls. Chad: But you're missing a really important piece to the story, Byron. The Byron: Please go on. Chad: start of this game, we were getting rolled. I was like, we are going to be bowled out? Byron: I think it was twelve for two or something like that. Chad: It was fucking way worse than this. Let me have a look. can't. Byron: David Bettingham getting a golden duck in a test game is at I w Chad: Yeah, nuts. Byron: I I feel for him because I don't know how you mentally recover from that. Chad: I don't know. So obviously lots of rain, right? Byron: It yeah it rained this morning as well. I know they're having lunch now, but it rained this morning as Chad: Yeah, I was. But so Byron: well. Chad: what day was this? Day one, rain, rain, rain, rain, Byron: I know we came out, it was twenty for two at the end of the first day. Chad: Yeah, 22 finished and rain delay T delayed delayed delayed. Then we are. 25 for three. And then we are 20 out of 42 for four, and I was like this. I'm watching this. This is a tough tough watch. Byron: Yeah. Yeah. I know Bretzky going out for four runs. Chad: Yeah. And then, Rickleton goes out and we are 92 for five. I remember waking up in the middle of the night and thinking, that's fucked. And then I wake up in Byron: Rough. Chad: the morning and it's like 110 for six. And I was like, okay. Next one, we'll get to the next one. And then... Byron: Marker Janssen. Chad: Mark Janssen and Pabuma just do an unspeakable. Was it? Byron: Marco Janssen had an 85 strike rate for a five day test match. He hit 85 of 100 balls. Are you kidding me? Chad: What a fucking yeah, incredible. And then to declare at 425 Byron: And Yes. Chad: runs is ungodly. Byron: From twenty yes. Chad: I was like, I'm happy with a draws coming. This has to be a draw. Right. Byron: Yes, yes. Chad: And then Australia coming in bet 99. Alice gone. Thanks boss. Byron: All out In and then to give the Chad: Get back! Byron: crazy part is to give Australia a follow on. Chad: brother, it's not even, they were like, they need 200 and something runs to avoid a follow on. And as we speak now, it's Byron: It's lunch. Chad: looking like it's going to be a draw, but Australia trailed by 170 runs. The score is currently 156 for four. So we need to get six wickets by the end of the day to win. But innings. Byron: Six wickets. Six and it's d if we if we can just get fucking Travis head out of there. Chad: Yeah, now, who's our biggest, our biggest, our best pilot at the moment? It's gotta be... Byron: I think let's see. in the first innings, Rabatta got Chad: Markrum. Yeah. So at the moment it's Markrum and Byron: two. Jansen got five wickets in the first innings. Chad: Yeah, put it back in. Put him in! Byron: And now in the second innings, Robot has picked up two and Hammer's picked up two. But if it wasn't for the rain, it would be a very easy win for us. But now we've got to pick up six wickets in one afternoon. Doable, but tough. Chad: Well, it's fucking doable. did almost... How many? 14 yesterday. Byron: Do you know what was fun? Is old mate rugby khanz is now talking test cricket. No fuck this cricket! Chad: Izzy? I haven't seen. I can't wait to meet him one day and just have a Brian Brandy. Byron: Yes. No cameras, just Chad: No, just Byron: Just Brian or Brandy. Chad: a brightened brandy and a bit of rugby maybe. Byron: definitely. I love I love the he had a a clip up why he doesn't watch rugby at other people's homes. Have you seen that one? Chad: Yeah? No. Byron: Brother, go do yourself a favor. Go do yourself a favor. Go watch that one. Chad, I think we've cut the cock. Chad: We did, we did, we did nothing we were supposed to do today, but... Byron: No, we're supposed to do predictions for the twenty twenty seven. We'll g we'll get there. We're not there, but we'll get there. Chad: We're supposed to do for the league too, but she's fine. Byron: No, after that first round I I don't care. I I don't care. No, I'm not I'm Chad: Yeah. Byron: not putting in extra effort. we'll we'll watch the games, we'll talk about the games, and then we'll wait for the semi final, then the penultimate final, then the super final, then the final final, and then the grand final, and then we can tell people our opinion. Chad: And then we can start for the opening game of the rugby world cup next year. Byron: Should be New Zealand first Australia. But you know, we're all excited for Australia. Chad: Well at this rate, fucking Hong Kong's gonna win that opening game in in Perth and I'm fucking stoked. Byron: Rather, I I I want for the opening of the World Cup that h if Hong Kong pull off that victory, then whatever happens for the rest of the competition is just golden because it's all extra, because that's the highlight. Chad: If somebody wants to send Vahranar to that game, we will both be wearing Hong Kong China rugby jerseys and I'll... Byron: R rugby kits, give me the shorts, give me the socks, I'll wear a scrum cap the whole game. No problem. Chad: I'll speak Cantonese for the whole game. I will learn in... Byron: Prove it. Prove it. Send me. Chad: Save me, I'm going, I'll go, I'll... Byron: so yeah, we've cut the KAK. thank you for supporting. we'll try to keep posting. We're a little delayed this week, but we're only human. I don't have any referee games this coming weekend, but then from the following week I'm back to to to refereeing, so we'll look forward to that too. thanks for watching. Please like and subscribe. Chad. Thanks for wearing a Lions jersey. And we'll see you all next week. Chad: Thank you.