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Lane Kiffin's "clown move" leaving Ole Miss for LSU, Chiefs & Eagles struggle | 12.01 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: holiday weekend of NFL football. In theory, we should be
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Speaker 1: like talking about rivalry week, the whole totality of the
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Speaker 1: rivalry week. But honestly, there wasn't that much interesting that happened,
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Speaker 1: actual factual with the rivalry games. Texas A & M
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Speaker 1: historical eight-win program. It's impossible for them to be an
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Speaker 1: eight-win program this year, but it can feel like eight
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Speaker 1: wins and losing to Texas again.
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Speaker 2: Losing to Texas on a quarterback draw by a white
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Speaker 2: feels like an eight-win.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. And you just can't understand Ryan.
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Speaker 1: The entire existence and self-esteem of those people is centered
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Speaker 1: around their relationship and their orbit to the University of Texas, right? Like,
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Speaker 1: you go listen to their fight song, that's just all
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Speaker 1: it's about. It was so funny when they lost last year.
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Speaker 1: Didn't they get their asses kicked last year, too?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't close.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, where it was, they've been waiting on that game
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Speaker 1: for 13 years since Case McFucking Coy walked them down
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Speaker 1: to send them out of the Big 12 forever. And
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Speaker 1: they got the first reinstallment of the Texas-Texas A &
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Speaker 1: M game at the crib, and they got blasted. Like,
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Speaker 1: Sart gave it to Elko. Oh, my God, it's so funny.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what happens to Texas anymore when it
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Speaker 1: comes to football, but who you at Elko? Okay, I
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Speaker 1: understand that that's going to be difficult for some of
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Speaker 1: you people, and I prefer it to Joel Anderson when
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Speaker 1: I say that. But at the same time, nah, just
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Speaker 1: Aggie misery. Here for it. There was also a hilarious
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Speaker 1: moment where Auburn, Alabama went late. It was a little
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Speaker 1: closer than it was supposed to be. Alabama scored a
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Speaker 1: late touchdown, and they showed a clip of Kalen DeBoer,
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Speaker 1: and that exhale that he gave is every point I've
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Speaker 1: been trying to make to you about that Alabama job.
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Speaker 1: He was like, great, now I don't have to buy
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Speaker 1: myself a new windshield because somebody's going to throw a
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Speaker 1: brick through it. But no, no, no, guys. Everything in
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Speaker 1: this weekend was about Lane Kiffin and trying to be
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Speaker 1: careful about certain things. Right? So, for example, this thing
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Speaker 1: happened after the, you know, the Ole Miss people, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot going on there. And there's a very crude
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Speaker 1: expression that you may have heard before that says that
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Speaker 1: you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. That's what
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Speaker 1: people say often. Some dude that covers Ole Miss, he
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Speaker 1: was doing a podcast, and he used that analogy to
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Speaker 1: refer to Lane Kiffin, was saying that you can't turn
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Speaker 1: a hoe into a housewife, which in the analogy made
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin the hoe. And you can get as technical
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Speaker 1: and equivocate on this as much as you want and say—
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Speaker 1: He didn't call Lane Kiffin a hoe. He said that
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin exhibited the qualities of hoes. And that's the
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Speaker 1: kind of thing you say when somebody else get called
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Speaker 1: a hoe.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: But if somebody actual factual calls you a hoe, you're
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Speaker 1: not trying to hear all of this. No, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: It was in a matter of speaking. That's not going
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Speaker 1: to happen. So anyway, Lane Kiffin saw the dude after
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Speaker 1: the egg bowl, and he rolled up on him and said,
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Speaker 1: you want to call me a ho, step in the back,
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Speaker 1: and we'll see how that goes, right? I'm Team Lane
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Speaker 1: on this one. I don't feel like I have the
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Speaker 1: right to tell people that they just got to get
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Speaker 1: over somebody calling them a ho. I don't feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do that. Now, in a more egregious example,
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Speaker 1: you may recall when Taylor Swift did Kanye West did
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Speaker 1: Famous on the Pablo album. And he said, talking about
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, and he had the line in there, and
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Speaker 1: I quote, I made that bitch famous. And a lot
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Speaker 1: of people were acting like, oh, she was tripping by
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Speaker 1: being upset with it. But I'm like, I don't think
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Speaker 1: I get to tell Taylor Swift how she responds to
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Speaker 1: being called a bitch. You understand what I mean? Like,
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Speaker 1: I just don't feel like I have the right to
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Speaker 1: do that. That, what happened with Lane Kiffin and that
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Speaker 1: dude is not quite as extreme, shall we say, as
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Speaker 1: that particular case, right? But it's still the same point.
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Speaker 1: Somebody call you a hoe. You get to at least
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Speaker 1: get up in their face. And when he got up
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Speaker 1: in Buddy's face, Buddy looked like he was about to
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Speaker 1: boo-boo on himself and then got on Twitter talking tough.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, come on, man. What you have done
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Speaker 1: is put me in an impossible position. And the position
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Speaker 1: is that I have to defend Lane Kiffin. And I
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Speaker 1: don't like having to do that. But the other problem
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Speaker 1: that we have from this is All the ways that
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Speaker 1: I want to refer to the ways that Lane Kiffin
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Speaker 1: has behaved in the course of the last couple weeks,
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Speaker 1: it all involves me referring to him in ways that
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Speaker 1: were I Lane Kiffin, I would pull up on me
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Speaker 1: and I would then say, hey, you say that back
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Speaker 1: there and then we go talk about it. Like... Ryan,
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Speaker 1: I don't, I try not to throw it around. Like,
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Speaker 1: so cloud. Cloud is where I am on this. It's
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Speaker 1: cloud fair game.
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Speaker 2: Cloud star game.
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Speaker 1: Like, for me to actually say somebody is a cloud.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 2: For me.
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Speaker 1: That is going to a place where I feel like
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Speaker 1: if you call me a full-on clown, yo, what the
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Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about right now? I think I've
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Speaker 1: established myself in such a way that being called a
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Speaker 1: clown is a very egregious thing for you to do.
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Speaker 1: And therefore, I feel like in a lot of ways,
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Speaker 1: I should extend that grace and courtesy to somebody else.
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Speaker 1: But I don't feel like Lane Kiffin has put in
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Speaker 1: the work to be a dignified person in the way
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Speaker 1: that I have. Therefore, perhaps I don't need to be
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Speaker 1: so shy about calling this motherfucker a clown. I also
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Speaker 1: realize that while I'm fretting over clown, I just called
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Speaker 1: him a motherfucker. I get all of that, right? Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't... None of the words that I know apply
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Speaker 1: to somebody who does the things that he does. All
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Speaker 1: of them feel... All of them feel beneath me and...
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Speaker 1: We all know the real problem. If you fight Lane Kiffin,
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Speaker 1: he's going to call the cops. Right? Like, Ryan, I
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Speaker 1: told you about when I ran up on that one
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Speaker 1: dude during the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I know he'll call the cops,
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Speaker 1: or I know he'll sue. Right? But this guy, this guy.
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Speaker 1: Hold on. Not this guy, Ryan. Your guy.
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Speaker 2: My guy.
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Speaker 1: LSU's new head coach.
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Speaker 2: LSU's new head coach, Lane Kiffin.
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Speaker 1: LSU's new head coach, Lane Kiffin. Okay. Let me take
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Speaker 1: a break from all the clown stuff, right? I need
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Speaker 1: to gather myself. I need to get to this other
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Speaker 1: stuff while I can. Because none of that was exaggerated,
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Speaker 1: by the way. I couldn't figure out.
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Speaker 2: I sent you the tweet. And this is, at minimum,
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Speaker 2: the third most drama that Lane has had leaving somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there was when he got fired on the tarmac.
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Speaker 1: He got fired on the sideline. They told him on
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Speaker 1: the tarmac. And his number two, the Kiffin Riots of 2010.
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Speaker 4: Correct.
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Speaker 2: When it was burned down in Knoxville.
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Speaker 1: Yes, when he left Tennessee in the middle of the
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Speaker 1: night and never dawned on them. Also, what is forgotten
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Speaker 1: in that story is how wild it is that the
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Speaker 1: NCAA was about to bring the hammer to them.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: The hammer. And Mike Garrett hired Lane Kiffin anyway. Right.
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Speaker 1: That was a middle.
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Speaker 2: After he got fired in disgrace in Oakland. Yes. And
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Speaker 2: Al Davis said what he said about him.
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Speaker 1: But look, you're about to get the hammer brought down
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Speaker 1: to you from the NCAA for the behavior of this regime.
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Speaker 1: And you double down on it. Right. Hiring Lane. That
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Speaker 1: was a wild moment.
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Speaker 2: Okay. But anyway, 2010 was a different time for a
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Speaker 2: lot of reasons.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. So yes, that is a, that this is,
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Speaker 1: this is number three and this. Okay. So the difference
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Speaker 1: between this, well, I mean, don't forget the, the, the
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Speaker 1: exit from the Raiders may have actually been messier because
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Speaker 1: it made Al Davis break out that overhead projector and
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Speaker 1: offer prophetic language about how it is that this guy
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Speaker 1: will bring disgrace and dishonor. Cause remember he wrote a
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Speaker 1: little Tennessee hire him. He wrote a letter to Tennessee
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Speaker 1: to tell them that Lane Kiffin would bring disgrace and dishonor.
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Speaker 2: Upon their program.
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Speaker 1: And one year later, he did that exact thing. This
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Speaker 1: one's different though, right? Because this one got into a very,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if strange place is the right way
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Speaker 1: to put it, but It's the fact that Ole Miss
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Speaker 1: is 11-1 and they're probably going to the college football playoff.
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Speaker 1: And that leads to a very, very difficult decision for
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Speaker 1: somebody like Lane Kiffin. Because look, he reasonably understands. There's
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Speaker 1: no way that he could come back and coach that team.
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Speaker 1: Like that just, that wasn't on the board. I talked
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Speaker 1: about this in a previous show. It's one thing when
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Speaker 1: it's Urban Meyer and he's at Utah and he's about
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Speaker 1: to go to Florida. LSU's head coach can't be in
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Speaker 1: Ole Miss's building, right? And you know how, not only
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Speaker 1: is Lane messy, Lane is a habitual line stepper. He
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Speaker 1: gonna be calling recruits from the office phone. Like, he
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Speaker 1: can't be using y'all's internet to look up that stuff.
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Speaker 2: And recruiting everyone on his team, potentially.
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Speaker 1: That, yes. like like like this is this this was
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Speaker 1: a non-starter it never could be a thing and so
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Speaker 1: the reports are that lane goes to the old miss
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Speaker 1: people and says hey if i don't get to stay
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Speaker 1: and coach this team into the playoff then i'm going
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Speaker 1: to take all of the assistants, and all of the players. Well,
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Speaker 1: what the fuck was your other plan, Lane? What are
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Speaker 1: you telling me? That otherwise you weren't going to try
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Speaker 1: to do these things? What are you talking about? That
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Speaker 1: was going to be what you tried no matter what.
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Speaker 1: So The reporting indicates that Lane was trying to get
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Speaker 1: his staff, get his guys, right, get as many of
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Speaker 1: them to come with him to Ole Miss. Brett McMurphy
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Speaker 1: of all three got a quote from somebody that said,
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Speaker 1: leave it to Lane Kiffin to try to burn a
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Speaker 1: bridge while he's standing on it. Okay, but. He wanted
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Speaker 1: to go to LSU, and he also wanted to coach
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Speaker 1: this team in the playoff and tried to basically extort
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Speaker 1: the ability to stay and coach this team because he
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Speaker 1: said that if he left, he would just take all
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Speaker 1: the players. And no, that didn't work. Then we got
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Speaker 1: a report, and this one's a little shaky, but the
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Speaker 1: report is that Lane Kiffin told the offensive coaches that
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Speaker 1: either you come with me on this plane to Baton
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Speaker 1: Rouge or there ain't no job for you. And it
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Speaker 1: appears that only Charlie Weiss Jr., whom Lane Kiffin made
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Florida Atlantic without a resume to indicate
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Speaker 1: such things when he had that job. He's the only
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Speaker 1: one that got on the plane. Right.
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Speaker 2: It's like him, the GM, maybe the strength coach, 247's reporting,
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Speaker 2: but it's certainly not the litany.
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Speaker 1: It's no assistance.
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Speaker 2: No, it's no real assistance.
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Speaker 1: Right. So Pete Golding, who's the defensive coordinator, has been
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Speaker 1: made the head coach at Ole Miss. But as things
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Speaker 1: stand right now, we have no report or indication that
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Speaker 1: any of the other Ole Miss assistants are coming with
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin. Now, there are two ways to look at this, right?
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Speaker 1: One of them is they think Lane's a clown, which
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Speaker 1: is on the board, but I don't That's not in totality.
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Speaker 1: You didn't just go find out. You didn't just find
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Speaker 1: out that Lane's a clown. You knew this already.
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Speaker 2: He's been there for six years.
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Speaker 1: Also, he's been Lane Kiffin for as long as we've
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Speaker 1: known who Lane Kiffin was. His entire existence is marked
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Speaker 1: by clown behavior. I forgot about one exit.
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Speaker 2: The Alabama one.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when Nick Saban sent him home the week
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Speaker 1: of the championship game because he had another job that
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Speaker 1: he was a little bit too focused on. But the
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Speaker 1: next part of this that nobody's talking about, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to say nobody's talking about it because I'm not
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Speaker 1: that brilliant. Somebody maybe has brought this up. But I
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Speaker 1: am fascinated by the idea that never have assistant coaches
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Speaker 1: ever had more leverage than the Ole Miss assistants had
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Speaker 1: as of right now. Because here's the thing. They're making
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Speaker 1: the argument this is the best Ole Miss football team
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Speaker 1: of all time. That is totally on the board. They
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Speaker 1: are going to go into the playoff. I think we
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Speaker 1: all agree that that is the case. But if all
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Speaker 1: of their coaches leave, they are really in shaky ground
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Speaker 1: with the committee about what they do with them in
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Speaker 1: terms of seating and if they actually get to go
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is, because that would make them a
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Speaker 1: much different team if they had a zombie coaching staff
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Speaker 1: out there, right? Now, I also imagine that coaching staff
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Speaker 1: wants to coach in this playoff. Now, we'll talk to
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Speaker 1: Spencer on Tuesday about the playoff in general because this is–
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Speaker 1: you guys asked for this nonsense, and this is part
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Speaker 1: of what we get in the story of this. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: Ole Miss needs to do whatever it can to keep
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Speaker 1: this team together if for no other reason than they
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Speaker 1: want to spike Kiffin. And these players, it sounds like,
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Speaker 1: want to spike Kiffin. Okay?
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So when Lane is like, you guys coming with me,
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Speaker 1: those assistants know that Ole Miss knows that Lane wants
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Speaker 1: them to go. Pete Golding, who was a bit of
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Speaker 1: a laughingstock as the defensive coordinator at Alabama. Um, he's
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Speaker 1: the head coach now.
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Speaker 2: Not the interim, the permanent head coach.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he got that. They are not doing the search. Right. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Pete Golding is the head coach. And I had known
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Speaker 1: him by name. I saw a picture of him, but
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Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way that man is a head coach. Now, granted,
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Speaker 1: that picture was not the greatest.
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Speaker 2: Right. Not with, not with that haircut and not with, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Not with that beard.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, but- Does not present discipline. Let's put it
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Speaker 2: that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had all the leverage in the world, right?
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Speaker 1: Make me the head coach. I can keep this whole
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Speaker 1: thing together, but you got to do this right now.
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Speaker 1: And so somebody that I ain't heard nobody talk about,
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Speaker 1: we want to hire Pete Golding. Now he's an Ole
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Speaker 1: Miss alum. That sort of thing also helps in a
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Speaker 1: time like this where you feel that you've been betrayed
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Speaker 1: by an interloper, but he's there. All those offensive assistants,
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Speaker 1: they could name their price. just because they need those
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Speaker 1: people on the staff right now. And I imagine it
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Speaker 1: is not difficult at all to find the money to
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Speaker 1: do whatever it takes because Lane Kiffin walked to that
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Speaker 1: plane at the airport in Oxford and he was surrounded
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Speaker 1: by middle fingers, Caucasian middle fingers at every turn. Let
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Speaker 1: me tell you something, brother. If it was me, and
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Speaker 1: when I say me, I mean specifically me and all
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Speaker 1: the characteristics of me, and I was in Mississippi, and
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Speaker 1: I saw angry white men like that, I would have
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Speaker 1: been terrified. I would have run on the plane. It
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Speaker 1: was relieving to see that this happens to guys like
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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin also. That's how mad they looked at him.
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Speaker 1: They were furious with him, and it's all because he
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Speaker 1: tried to burn the place down on the way out,
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Speaker 1: and that was so wildly unnecessary. Right. Everybody understands you
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Speaker 1: can't do this job anymore. I don't. I've seen people
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Speaker 1: make the argument or have this discussion about what was
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Speaker 1: going on with ESPN and the belief that like CAA
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Speaker 1: set out talking points basically to all of their clients
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Speaker 1: about why Lane Kiffin should have been allowed to coach
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Speaker 1: in the national championship. I mean, coaching the keep coaching
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Speaker 1: Ole Miss through the playoff. I want to make a
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Speaker 1: couple of points here. And I'm not saying that this
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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Right. That I mean, Maybe CAA sends out paperwork,
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Speaker 1: you know, sends out talking points every morning, right? I've
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Speaker 1: been sending CAA percentages of my money now for over
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Speaker 1: a decade, I want to say. I'm just saying I
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Speaker 1: never got any of those talking points. Now, maybe, maybe,
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Speaker 1: maybe that says more about me and my standing within
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Speaker 1: this agency than it says about anything else. But I'm
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Speaker 1: just here to let you know, like I have had
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Speaker 1: I've been repped by another agency that would never give
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Speaker 1: me talking points, but would be like, hey, if you want,
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Speaker 1: we got some information on something if you want. Right.
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Speaker 1: These these kinds of things do happen. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: that they don't. I'm just saying it. Maybe I need
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Speaker 1: to talk to CAA and find out where I really stand,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the hierarchy. I've been right here, baby.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they just know I'm too geisty for that shit.
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Speaker 1: I don't have any idea. I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But I do know it was crazy that so many
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Speaker 1: reasonable people were actually trying to make the argument that
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Speaker 1: he should be able to work for two teams in
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Speaker 1: the same conference in states that border each other. That
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Speaker 1: was absurd.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of the argument Nick Saban was pushing,
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Speaker 2: essentially that the schedule is to blame for this situation
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Speaker 2: and not Lane Kiffin? Like essentially because of the transfer
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Speaker 2: portal and the way that the playoff is scheduled, that
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Speaker 2: situations like this are going to happen due to the
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Speaker 2: calendar more so than anything else.
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Speaker 1: No, he's right. But here's where I push back on
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Speaker 1: the idea that the schedule is at fault, right?
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: The schedule puts Lane Kiffin in a bind in this.
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Speaker 1: The schedule makes Lane Kiffin have to choose. But the
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Speaker 1: bottom line was he had to choose. And rather than choose,
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Speaker 1: he kicked the can as far down as he possibly could.
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Speaker 1: And then he made it. He handled a bad situation terribly.
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Speaker 1: It's unfortunate for you, Lane. And this is the part
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Speaker 1: that makes it unfortunate for everybody. And this is the truth.
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Speaker 1: What makes it tricky is that to be good enough
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Speaker 1: to get a job like LSU, chances are you're coaching
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Speaker 1: a team that's going to be going to the playoff.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Like, that's... Or at least in the mix in the
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Speaker 2: final week.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly, right? Like, that's how that's going to go.
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Speaker 1: And that makes that grown man have to make a decision.
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Speaker 1: But the truth is, he knew he wanted to go
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Speaker 1: to LSU. And my question for him is this. If
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Speaker 1: the LSU job is so good, right... then why do
18:59
Speaker 1: you care that much about this team? And don't tell
19:00
Speaker 1: me because you care about the kids. You're just never
19:03
Speaker 1: going to get me to believe. I don't think the
19:05
Speaker 1: kids feel that cared about either in the course of this.
19:08
Speaker 1: You had a chance to coach in the playoff and
19:10
Speaker 1: you wanted to do promotion for LSU by coaching in
19:13
Speaker 1: the playoff. That is what I believe. A big part
19:16
Speaker 1: of why I believe that is I assume the worst
19:18
Speaker 1: about this man. No matter what the circumstances are, I
19:21
Speaker 1: assume the worst, except when somebody called him a hoe
19:23
Speaker 1: and he go check him for it, right? Yeah. Okay, lady,
19:28
Speaker 1: you know, relatable content. But that, I, he made it
19:36
Speaker 1: like this. He's not the first person to wind up
19:39
Speaker 1: in a similar situation. And very often those people have
19:42
Speaker 1: to go on. Or you had this option. You could
19:44
Speaker 1: have stayed at Ole Miss. And what I'm curious about,
19:47
Speaker 1: because Marty Smith, bless his heart, who got sacked. down
19:50
Speaker 1: there to Oxford, Mississippi, trying to get some time with
19:53
Speaker 1: Lane and just look miserable on TV.
19:55
Speaker 2: He looked like he was on the Ed Werder beat
19:58
Speaker 2: of Green Bay.
19:59
Speaker 1: Yes.
20:00
Speaker 2: The Brett Favre retirement or not.
20:02
Speaker 1: Yes. Like, I have to keep doing this. And I
20:04
Speaker 1: like Marty. Marty did not want to keep. Finally, Marty
20:07
Speaker 1: got him at the airport. And Marty asked him all
20:08
Speaker 1: the right questions, too. Like, if you look at it,
20:10
Speaker 1: it's about a six-minute interview on the tarmac. And I
20:12
Speaker 1: thought Marty asked all the important questions that he asked
20:14
Speaker 1: them directly. And one question he asked was, what is
20:17
Speaker 1: it about the LSU job that makes it one that
20:20
Speaker 1: you would leave Ole Miss for? And he said he
20:23
Speaker 1: didn't want to get into that. And no, I want
20:25
Speaker 1: you to answer that for me. Because what I don't understand,
20:29
Speaker 1: first of all, and Ryan, we talked about this already.
20:32
Speaker 1: You guys are chaos. Yes. Like, was it a month
20:37
Speaker 1: ago we were just talking about what a ridiculous place
20:39
Speaker 1: LSU had become with the governor having these press conferences
20:42
Speaker 1: and everything else? Well, we're not going to offer no
20:44
Speaker 1: contract like them other contracts, and it sure sounds like
20:47
Speaker 1: you did. Right. Right. An athletic director that you seem
20:50
Speaker 1: to name because you needed to hurry up and name
20:52
Speaker 1: an athletic director. Like, this all seems... If Ole Miss
21:01
Speaker 1: was going to pay him roughly the same amount of money, right?
21:05
Speaker 1: And you clearly have put together a roster that's better
21:08
Speaker 1: than LSU's is this year, right? So why are you
21:14
Speaker 1: going through all of this to leave? Do you believe
21:17
Speaker 1: that what you've done at Ole Miss is fool's gold?
21:20
Speaker 1: That's the question I want to know. Like deep down inside,
21:23
Speaker 1: does Lane Kiffin really believe that Ole Miss, that these
21:27
Speaker 1: teams that he's built there, what he talks about is
21:28
Speaker 1: the greatest run in school history or anything else. Do
21:30
Speaker 1: you actually believe these teams are good? And I don't
21:33
Speaker 1: think he actually believes that. And by the way, show
21:36
Speaker 1: me the big wins. If I'm not mistaken, I went
21:39
Speaker 1: through and looked at this in this run. This year's
21:42
Speaker 1: game against Oklahoma, and Oklahoma's okay. And if I'm, and
21:45
Speaker 1: I don't, I think- I.
21:46
Speaker 2: Mean, I just watched Oklahoma. That, that- Let's call them
21:50
Speaker 2: limited offensively.
21:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, that's since Mateer has gotten back
21:54
Speaker 1: from being hurt. I think that's what it is. But
21:56
Speaker 1: and I can't remember if Mateer even played in that game,
21:59
Speaker 1: but like they won it on the road. But you
22:00
Speaker 1: go look through the lane, Kiffin run. The big wins
22:03
Speaker 1: aren't really there. They get a lot of wins and
22:06
Speaker 1: they win the games that they're supposed to. But because
22:08
Speaker 1: of the nature of what these schedules are, he's not
22:10
Speaker 1: like he's out here getting these big, gigantic, titanic wins.
22:13
Speaker 1: over people like not even a win that's in line
22:16
Speaker 1: with what Vanderbilt did on Saturday to Tennessee where they
22:18
Speaker 1: ran on them for over 300 yards and the reason
22:21
Speaker 1: that I bring up this idea that Vanderbilt the idea
22:23
Speaker 1: that we are in a age and time where Vanderbilt
22:26
Speaker 1: can run for 300 yards on Tennessee at Neyland takes
22:30
Speaker 1: me back to the question why exactly are you doing
22:34
Speaker 1: all of this if Ole Miss was going to give
22:36
Speaker 1: you the money is LSU which I had believed at
22:38
Speaker 1: points to be the best job in the country Right now,
22:41
Speaker 1: is it a better job than the job you have
22:43
Speaker 1: right now? Is everything that you're going through and the
22:46
Speaker 1: damage that you're doing to your professional reputation and going
22:49
Speaker 1: into this job that is going to be chaos, was
22:52
Speaker 1: this all worth it for you to make a fool
22:54
Speaker 1: of yourself to go to a place that as it
22:56
Speaker 1: stands right now, does not have a football team as
22:59
Speaker 1: good as the football team that you are currently coaching?
23:04
Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? I just want to know
23:08
Speaker 1: the answer for why it is that you're doing this.
23:12
Speaker 1: Florida seemed like a much better cultural fit for Lane.
23:15
Speaker 1: He is exactly what it is that they are looking for.
23:18
Speaker 1: He is the spiritual successor to Steve Spurrier. He's the
23:21
Speaker 1: guy that they want, right? Here's the other thing that
23:24
Speaker 1: could have happened for you. Ryan, I want you to
23:25
Speaker 1: tell me what you think about this because I haven't
23:27
Speaker 1: workshopped this with you, okay? The tricky thing about LSU
23:33
Speaker 1: is they have proof of concept that you can win
23:35
Speaker 1: a national championship there with a cartoon character because they've
23:39
Speaker 1: done it twice.
23:41
Speaker 2: All right. Two cartoon characters.
23:43
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Actually, they've actually done it with three. It's
23:45
Speaker 1: just that Saban is a different cartoon.
23:48
Speaker 2: Especially Saban then because people forget that Saban used to
23:53
Speaker 2: be more intense.
23:55
Speaker 1: Yes, he was. Yes, he was.
23:56
Speaker 2: Before he started graying, he looked more like Will Muschamp
23:59
Speaker 2: out there than friendly Grandpa Saban.
24:02
Speaker 1: And by the way, the Saban years are up, down, up, down.
24:06
Speaker 1: It's down, up, down, up, down. There are only two really,
24:09
Speaker 1: really good seasons.
24:10
Speaker 2: Yes, and they had an incredible run of success after
24:13
Speaker 2: he left with his reverse.
24:14
Speaker 3: Yes.
24:15
Speaker 2: Yes. That 05-07 LSU run is probably the best run
24:18
Speaker 2: in the school's history.
24:19
Speaker 3: It is.
24:19
Speaker 1: But with his recruits in 04, with Nick Saban there,
24:23
Speaker 1: I want to say they went 9-4 or something like that.
24:26
Speaker 1: But either way, they've seen a lot of people win
24:29
Speaker 1: a championship there. They understand that anybody, they feel like
24:32
Speaker 1: it's reasonable to feel like anybody can win a national
24:35
Speaker 1: championship here. And that's why it's kind of weird that
24:38
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin feels like, yeah, Les Miles needs to win
24:41
Speaker 1: a national championship there. Ed Ogeron needs to win a
24:42
Speaker 1: national championship there. If Lane Kiffin is what you people
24:45
Speaker 1: tell me that he is, then you should be able
24:47
Speaker 1: to do this at Ole Miss, right? Because think about
24:51
Speaker 1: it this way. Ohio State believes that it's not about
24:56
Speaker 1: the coach there. It's just about the machine that they have, okay?
25:00
Speaker 1: Small problem. You know what every coach that Ohio State
25:03
Speaker 1: has won a national championship with has in common? They're
25:07
Speaker 1: all Hall of Fame caliber coaches. They've all, how about this?
25:11
Speaker 1: They've all, except for Woody Hayes, Paul Brown won a
25:15
Speaker 1: national championship at Ohio State and then won NFL championship. Okay.
25:20
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes won, I want to say, five national championships
25:22
Speaker 1: or something like that there. Jim Trestle has won multiple
25:28
Speaker 1: 1AA championships and then won the national championship at Ohio State.
25:33
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer won two national championships at Florida in an
25:36
Speaker 1: undefeated season at Utah and then won his national championship
25:39
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. Ryan Day is the only one that's
25:41
Speaker 1: really kind of in line with the it's the machine
25:43
Speaker 1: that does it. John Cooper did not win a national
25:46
Speaker 1: championship there. John Cooper won 10 games at Arizona State.
25:51
Speaker 1: And I want to say at Tulsa, Earl Bruce did
25:55
Speaker 1: not win a national championship there. So clearly not everybody
26:00
Speaker 1: can win a national championship at Ohio State. And Ogeron
26:05
Speaker 1: won a national championship at LSU. I'm just telling you,
26:09
Speaker 1: they're not going to love you like that there. And
26:12
Speaker 1: you're also not really their kind of guy, and your
26:15
Speaker 1: brand of smarm is not going to work with those people.
26:18
Speaker 1: Ole Miss, you are right. You have the best run
26:21
Speaker 1: of success that Ole Miss has ever had. Even if
26:24
Speaker 1: I can't find the big wins there, you've won major
26:27
Speaker 1: bowl games at Ole Miss. You've consistently won double-digit games
26:31
Speaker 1: at Ole Miss. You've shown the ability to build a
26:35
Speaker 1: team better than LSU. What this tells me is that
26:38
Speaker 1: every day of your life at Ole Miss, you've been
26:39
Speaker 1: scared of LSU.
26:41
Speaker 4: Right.
26:42
Speaker 1: Like you just you don't believe. Is it that you
26:45
Speaker 1: don't believe anybody can do it at Ole Miss or
26:47
Speaker 1: you just don't believe that you can do it at
26:50
Speaker 1: Ole Miss? Because you've kind of given proof of concept
26:53
Speaker 1: that you could come pretty close to doing it there.
26:56
Speaker 1: you would probably be better off staying there instead of
27:00
Speaker 1: coming into a place where they're not really going to
27:03
Speaker 1: love you like that. And I have to go back
27:06
Speaker 1: to the fact that it's a crazy house right now. Right,
27:11
Speaker 1: we were up here talking about who would ever want
27:13
Speaker 1: to take this job with all the chaos that LSU provided.
27:17
Speaker 1: And Lane Kiffin was like, I love a crazy girl.
27:22
Speaker 1: Nothing gets me off like that.
27:26
Speaker 2: And it really is amazing. But the thing that's interesting
27:30
Speaker 2: about LSU is that fan base believes they have left
27:35
Speaker 2: multiple national championships on the table because of their lack
27:39
Speaker 2: of modern college football offense. And the one year they
27:44
Speaker 2: had a decent offensive mind in that building, they put
27:48
Speaker 2: the greatest offensive season in the history of college football.
27:52
Speaker 1: Yes. So.
27:53
Speaker 2: So that's the model they're going to look for for
27:57
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin, and I'll be interested to see how that works.
28:01
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, Nate, he has to go play at
28:03
Speaker 2: Oxford next year. LSU's Ole Miss is their permanent opponent.
28:07
Speaker 1: He has to go play at Tennessee, too.
28:10
Speaker 2: Yes. And you start off the year playing Clemson in
28:14
Speaker 2: a revenge year.
28:17
Speaker 1: Just ask it a question. do they still make things
28:21
Speaker 1: that use D-cell batteries? And I'm asking that question because
28:26
Speaker 1: when somebody pulls up on game day in Oxford and
28:30
Speaker 1: is like, yo, let me get some of them D-cell batteries.
28:32
Speaker 1: Stop and ask yourself, why would these people need D-cell batteries?
28:39
Speaker 1: I don't know the last time.
28:40
Speaker 2: I played D-cell batteries. They might have to play that
28:44
Speaker 2: game in an empty stadium like it's a soccer match
28:46
Speaker 2: in Italy when they get too racist.
28:48
Speaker 1: But see, this is the thing though, man. I love
28:50
Speaker 1: a good villain. We have, and he loves being a villain,
28:54
Speaker 1: but he, look, I ain't going to say nothing about
28:57
Speaker 1: all the stuff he's saying about his daddy. I don't
28:59
Speaker 1: know nothing about them and they get down or anything else,
29:02
Speaker 1: but I do know this. I find the, I've been
29:05
Speaker 1: praying about this and I let God tell me to
29:08
Speaker 1: go take this job. I find that to be unconvincing.
29:12
Speaker 1: And what that sounds like to me, It's somebody who
29:15
Speaker 1: started coaching in the SEC who is not native to
29:18
Speaker 1: the space who is like, you know what? You just
29:21
Speaker 1: need to get down here and talk about God a lot. Yeah,
29:24
Speaker 1: that's what they love. That's what it is. You think, hey, Ryan,
29:29
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about your background. I don't know
29:32
Speaker 1: your biblical knowledge. But is there a story in the
29:37
Speaker 1: Bible that's out anything like Lane Kiffin for the lay?
29:40
Speaker 2: Two weeks i i don't i don't believe the bible
29:43
Speaker 2: says uh take your 90 million dollars and run.
29:46
Speaker 5: Take your 90 million dollars and run or like you
29:49
Speaker 5: know extort thee all the way out the door i
29:53
Speaker 5: don't i don't know where these things are i don't
29:56
Speaker 5: but i mean He's now the story of college football.
29:59
Speaker 2: He's the main character.
30:02
Speaker 1: But what he is is, and I'll give him, I
30:05
Speaker 1: don't know if credit is the right word, but there
30:08
Speaker 1: aren't that many interesting coaches left, right? And he's won.
30:14
Speaker 1: I want to say this on the way out because
30:15
Speaker 1: I've just said this thing, maybe he'll stay at Ole Miss.
30:17
Speaker 1: And look, you know, I talked about this with Joel. Like,
30:21
Speaker 1: we got to be honest about maybe the problem with
30:22
Speaker 1: his job. is you know that that legacy of confederate
30:27
Speaker 1: doesn't help right right like like i would love for
30:30
Speaker 1: somebody to come out of santa i mean other coaches
30:33
Speaker 1: basically said it out loud tommy tubberville left because of
30:36
Speaker 1: it david cutcliffe certainly is intimated at their points of
30:39
Speaker 1: the difficulty it comes with maybe this is it but
30:41
Speaker 1: look around the rest of that conference clark lee at
30:43
Speaker 1: vanderbilt was like no i'll take the money and i'm
30:45
Speaker 1: gonna stay here eli drink of it's at uh mizzou
30:48
Speaker 1: It was like, you know what? You guys got to check.
30:50
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to go ahead and stay here.
30:52
Speaker 1: The game plan seems to be for these guys to
30:54
Speaker 1: get this money and stick around where they are. The
30:56
Speaker 1: question is going to come down to these schools recognize
30:58
Speaker 1: that these crazy buyouts, if they're still doing them, what
31:01
Speaker 1: it means is we're in this together, man.
31:04
Speaker 4: Right?
31:05
Speaker 1: Like, you're going to have to make the decision.
31:07
Speaker 2: And the same people who will pay $ 50 million to
31:09
Speaker 2: run you off will pay $ 50 more million to keep
31:12
Speaker 2: you if they think you're the guy.
31:13
Speaker 1: Yes. But I think everybody needs to understand, though, that
31:16
Speaker 1: this is going to be more like the pros. And
31:17
Speaker 1: what that means is you're going to have some more
31:19
Speaker 1: ups and downs in the ways that these go. And
31:22
Speaker 1: every now and then you're going to have a not
31:23
Speaker 1: great season. And maybe it might be two of those
31:25
Speaker 1: not great seasons for whatever reason. But the buyouts are
31:28
Speaker 1: supposed to make you ride through it. It's not supposed
31:30
Speaker 1: to make you say, damn, we got to go past
31:31
Speaker 1: the head again. Like, it's supposed to change the way
31:33
Speaker 1: that you make these decisions. It hasn't changed the way
31:36
Speaker 1: the decisions are made. But the SEC, it seems to
31:39
Speaker 1: be at the very least that a lot of these
31:41
Speaker 1: people have decided we're going to go for stability. I'll
31:47
Speaker 1: just throw it out here, by the way. Shout out
31:48
Speaker 1: to you, Florida. They hired John Summerall, who's the coach
31:52
Speaker 1: at Tulane, who might be a better coach than Lane Kiffin.
31:56
Speaker 1: And Lane Kiffin with his no conference championships, no division championships,
32:00
Speaker 1: literally an empty trophy case. You know who else might
32:03
Speaker 1: be a better coach than Lane Kiffin? The guy LSU
32:07
Speaker 1: just fired. All right, so Thanksgiving and Black Friday. My
32:22
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving football viewing was not.
32:28
Speaker 1: Not great. Not great. I haven't talked to my buddy Nick,
32:31
Speaker 1: but I imagine his Thanksgiving football viewing was also... Not great.
32:37
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to any of my Ravens fans, but
32:39
Speaker 1: I imagine their Thanksgiving football viewing was terrible. Have you
32:44
Speaker 1: talked to any of.
32:45
Speaker 2: Your friends who root for the Eagles?
32:48
Speaker 1: Oh, goodness gracious. I have not because I'm afraid. I
32:52
Speaker 1: don't think they'll have any sense of humor about what
32:54
Speaker 1: happened with them. And I just imagine this is going
32:57
Speaker 1: to be the playoffs with basically me and Nick just
33:00
Speaker 1: going to be watching the playoffs together, hating. Just just
33:04
Speaker 1: just just just hating on everything that's on the screen.
33:07
Speaker 1: It don't look like the Lions are going to the playoffs, though.
33:09
Speaker 1: I think they still have a chance. It don't look
33:11
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs are going to the playoffs, though. I
33:12
Speaker 1: say they still have a chance. The Ravens. I mean, Pittsburgh,
33:16
Speaker 1: I think, is still going to be a top that
33:18
Speaker 1: division even after that loss to Buffalo. But either way,
33:21
Speaker 1: they're right there with each other. But they are cheeks.
33:24
Speaker 1: I don't know why the Ravens cheat. Lamar Jackson looks
33:26
Speaker 1: like cheeks. They are cheeks. And then the Eagles continuing
33:29
Speaker 1: the strangest four-year run of highly successful football that anybody
33:36
Speaker 1: had less fun being pretty good than them.
33:42
Speaker 2: It's so wild because we've been doing this for, it
33:46
Speaker 2: feels like eight weeks now. Yes. And it does not
33:50
Speaker 2: get better. And they never lean into anything that works.
33:54
Speaker 2: It's like watching a television show where you feel like
33:58
Speaker 2: they didn't– like different writers worked on different episodes and
34:01
Speaker 2: nothing connects.
34:02
Speaker 1: Yes.
34:03
Speaker 2: It's like did you practice? They look like they don't practice.
34:06
Speaker 1: But hold on. There's another level of this in terms
34:08
Speaker 1: of our world, right? Does any team– have more former
34:13
Speaker 1: players who get paid to talk about their team than
34:17
Speaker 1: the Eagles?
34:18
Speaker 2: Maybe the Cowboys.
34:19
Speaker 1: I feel like... I feel... No, no, no. See, the
34:21
Speaker 1: Cowboys have all those people who get paid to talk
34:23
Speaker 1: about the NFL.
34:25
Speaker 2: Got it.
34:25
Speaker 1: Right? Like Troy Amitotaro. I mean, if you go on
34:28
Speaker 1: Twitter right now, I can get you a clip of
34:30
Speaker 1: Hugh Douglas. I can get you a clip of Ike Reese.
34:33
Speaker 1: I can get you a clip of Seth Joyner. I
34:35
Speaker 1: can get you a clip of Nick Foles. It's just... They...
34:39
Speaker 1: And by the way, they're all really straightforward and pretty good,
34:43
Speaker 1: but no, no. Former Eagles are not pulling no punches
34:49
Speaker 1: because they know the people don't want that. They know
34:53
Speaker 1: what they know. And it also implies a begrudging respect
34:58
Speaker 1: for the ways that the people get down. But everywhere
35:00
Speaker 1: I go, I've just never seen a team where it
35:02
Speaker 1: feels like I can get more actually credible. And like
35:05
Speaker 1: Nick Foles stuff on the Eagles is always really interesting
35:08
Speaker 1: when I wind up coming across some sort of clip
35:11
Speaker 1: of what he's talking about. But they are like they
35:14
Speaker 1: were just getting booed at the crib on a holiday weekend.
35:21
Speaker 1: just mercilessly, and everybody showed up ready to do it.
35:25
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that sticks out about it
35:28
Speaker 1: to me. Everybody showed up like, hey, man, don't get
35:32
Speaker 1: this shit going, right? Like, you know, it's always bad news. Like,
35:35
Speaker 1: that's the point where y'all got to break up, right?
35:37
Speaker 1: Where you're like, just wait, just, ooh, and then it happens,
35:41
Speaker 1: and then you're ready, and then you go. That's where
35:44
Speaker 1: they are. That's where they stand. But they're going to
35:46
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. That's the best part. These other teams
35:49
Speaker 1: were talking about, hey, I don't know if they're going
35:51
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. That could go either way. The Eagles,
35:54
Speaker 1: you know what the Eagles feel like? The Eagles feel
35:55
Speaker 1: like one of those teams that needs to just skip
35:57
Speaker 1: the NIT.
36:00
Speaker 2: They need to self-impose a bowl ban.
36:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like, look, man, we've had enough, right? Like
36:05
Speaker 1: back in the day when they would try to send
36:07
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to something like the Independence Bowl. They're like, man,
36:10
Speaker 1: we got Notre fucking Dame. We ain't going to Shreveport.
36:13
Speaker 2: You know, we might be in South Bend, but we
36:16
Speaker 2: have more class than going to Shreveport, Louisiana.
36:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. We're not doing that. We're not doing that.
36:20
Speaker 1: But the other thing that happened to them. And you
36:22
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this. There is nothing that
36:24
Speaker 1: a football team that could do that is worse for
36:26
Speaker 1: the fans to watch than let somebody run for 280
36:29
Speaker 1: yards on you.
36:31
Speaker 2: Right.
36:32
Speaker 1: Because Caleb Williams did not play well.
36:34
Speaker 3: No.
36:35
Speaker 1: They just ate them up. I've never heard of, what
36:40
Speaker 1: was that boy's name?
36:41
Speaker 4: Kyle?
36:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice try. No, thank you.
36:44
Speaker 1: Never heard of him. Never heard of him. Oh, hold
36:47
Speaker 1: on though. He went to Rutgers. Let me find out
36:49
Speaker 1: what hardscrabble town he's from. Oh, did you see that
36:53
Speaker 1: clip of that dude for the Cowboys? The gutter the
36:56
Speaker 1: other day?
36:57
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
36:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:59
Speaker 4: Yeah.
36:59
Speaker 2: The Rudy out there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't rude. He was like, no, he's can't go
37:02
Speaker 1: back all star.
37:03
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
37:03
Speaker 2: Camden, New Jersey.
37:05
Speaker 1: Camden, New Jersey.
37:05
Speaker 2: I looked it up.
37:06
Speaker 1: I was like, I was Camden, Patterson, East Orange, any
37:11
Speaker 1: of us advice. This guy is from Roseland, which seems
37:15
Speaker 1: to be a little bit nicer than what I'm trying
37:17
Speaker 1: to say with what I'm talking about here. I am.
37:21
Speaker 1: I have no idea what this NFL season is going
37:23
Speaker 1: to be. And I can't decide if I think that's
37:24
Speaker 1: a good thing or not.
37:26
Speaker 2: Right. Like we were talking about this before the show,
37:28
Speaker 2: like every week feels more about who lost and who won.
37:33
Speaker 1: Yes.
37:33
Speaker 2: And you can say that about the chiefs. You can
37:36
Speaker 2: say that about the Eagles to the lions. You can
37:40
Speaker 2: certainly say that about the Steelers who had to throw
37:42
Speaker 2: out Mason Rudolph today.
37:43
Speaker 4: They did.
37:44
Speaker 2: They did.
37:45
Speaker 1: But hold on. I just watched the Rams lost to
37:47
Speaker 1: the Panthers and Matthew Stafford lost There's going to be
37:51
Speaker 1: regression to the mean on this interception thing. Generally speaking, right?
37:55
Speaker 1: That's typically how it goes. Remember when Nick Foles had
37:58
Speaker 1: that 27-2 year? Right.
38:00
Speaker 2: Was that the first Chip Kelly?
38:02
Speaker 1: That was the first Chip Kelly year. But yeah, those
38:06
Speaker 1: things can dial back is what I'm saying. And that's
38:08
Speaker 1: probably going to happen there. But the Panthers might go
38:11
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. And the Bears are now the number
38:15
Speaker 1: one seed, if I'm not mistaken.
38:16
Speaker 2: They are.
38:17
Speaker 1: And the NFC. Because the Rams... Lost to the Panthers.
38:22
Speaker 1: I don't... We know we can't believe in the Seahawks, man.
38:30
Speaker 1: Y'all want the best for him, but we can't believe
38:33
Speaker 1: in that. What am I supposed to believe in in
38:34
Speaker 1: the AFC?
38:35
Speaker 2: Right?
38:36
Speaker 1: Do you see any... There is not... The Colts, man.
38:39
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones out there on a broken... I saw it
38:42
Speaker 1: was an injured fibula, and I could be wrong, but
38:44
Speaker 1: I feel like the only injury that you could do
38:47
Speaker 1: to that is a break, right?
38:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean... We saw the Chargers out there.
38:51
Speaker 2: They got to play the Raiders, but then Justin Herbert
38:53
Speaker 2: goes and breaks his hand today.
38:55
Speaker 4: He does.
38:56
Speaker 1: And what that affects, and if you were watching that
38:58
Speaker 1: game with Aaron Rodgers on Sunday, it really messes up
39:02
Speaker 1: the running game. Because, yeah, you throw with the right,
39:05
Speaker 1: but you got to hand people the ball. You can't
39:07
Speaker 1: really be going under center like that.
39:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to stick that hand under that big
39:11
Speaker 2: boy's butt. Like, it's just tough.
39:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot going on. But, yeah, this was
39:16
Speaker 1: a week about losers. And at least one thing we
39:19
Speaker 1: got that's great for business, right? The Cowboys, highly relevant.
39:24
Speaker 1: and i have to say and fun to watch yeah
39:27
Speaker 1: a bryan schottenheimer mediocre offensive coordinator appears to be a
39:31
Speaker 1: good head coach.
39:33
Speaker 2: Well i mean here's the thing he he coaches very
39:36
Speaker 2: clearly like someone who grew up playing madden because he's
39:40
Speaker 2: like hey uh you know what works uh george pickens
39:43
Speaker 2: catching slants i'm gonna do that 12 times a.
39:46
Speaker 1: Game here's the thing man what recollection do you have
39:49
Speaker 1: of his father.
39:51
Speaker 2: That is right. I understand that he's a historical choker,
39:55
Speaker 2: but I never experienced it.
39:57
Speaker 1: So it's a shame that Marty is defined by the
39:59
Speaker 1: choking because here's the thing about Marty Schottenheimer. He has
40:02
Speaker 1: two losing seasons ever.
40:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, great coach.
40:04
Speaker 1: He was an excellent, excellent coach, but he was a
40:08
Speaker 1: ground-and-pound guy if a guy ever was about to ground-and-pound.
40:12
Speaker 1: And as an offensive coordinator, his son a little bit
40:14
Speaker 1: too much about to ground-and-pound. As the head coach, he's
40:17
Speaker 1: passing the ball to Will.
40:20
Speaker 2: And if you look at some of those nerd stats,
40:22
Speaker 2: like George Pickens might have been– might be the best
40:24
Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL this year.
40:26
Speaker 1: Yo, it's– I just can't wait to see what that
40:29
Speaker 1: turns into next year. What's the contract decide?
40:33
Speaker 3: Good luck.
40:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:41
Speaker 4: All right.
40:41
Speaker 2: Two quick stories from the weekend. Shador Mania, watch. Shador Sanders, they–
40:47
Speaker 2: and the Browns lost to the 49ers 26-8. He had–
40:50
Speaker 2: 149 yards, 16 for 25, one touchdown. But what'd you
40:55
Speaker 2: make of his performance today?
40:57
Speaker 1: I watched most of that game. I feel like there
40:59
Speaker 1: was nothing to discuss. Right. It was just like, if
41:04
Speaker 1: this was somebody that didn't have the profile, there would
41:07
Speaker 1: be literally nothing discussed. Like, I mean, he's going to
41:09
Speaker 1: start for the rest of the year. I do believe.
41:12
Speaker 1: So I think we're at a point where we don't
41:14
Speaker 1: have to have a daily referendum on what he does,
41:17
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was a, okay. I mean, I didn't
41:22
Speaker 1: think he looked bad necessarily, but man, he holds the
41:24
Speaker 1: ball for a long time, man. A long time.
41:29
Speaker 4: And that is.
41:31
Speaker 1: They're drafting a quarterback. They're saying all the right things
41:35
Speaker 1: right now about, hey, evaluation, because why not, right? You
41:38
Speaker 1: should say those things. It costs you nothing. They're drafting
41:41
Speaker 1: a quarterback.
41:41
Speaker 2: They're drafting a quarterback, and they're probably firing the coach.
41:44
Speaker 4: Yes.
41:45
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, like, they're... he looks, Stefanski looks miserable. Yeah.
41:52
Speaker 1: And we keep seeing this, man. If you're going to
41:55
Speaker 1: make the quarterback change like that, you might as well
41:57
Speaker 1: change the coach. It's going to happen anyway.
41:59
Speaker 2: Right. Like, yeah, there's no sense. And if there's one
42:02
Speaker 2: thing that Jimmy Haslam is known for, it's great decisions
42:06
Speaker 2: when it comes to coaches and quarterbacks. That guy. All right.
42:11
Speaker 2: We just kind of glossed over this earlier, but, you know,
42:14
Speaker 2: a lot of moves in the college football carousel this week.
42:16
Speaker 2: Florida hired John Summerall. From Tulane, Auburn brought in a
42:20
Speaker 2: new coach. Arkansas brought in a new coach. There's a
42:22
Speaker 2: lot of rumors of what's going on in Penn State.
42:24
Speaker 2: But what was the most surprising thing that happened today
42:27
Speaker 2: on the coaching carousel?
42:28
Speaker 1: Well, it sounded like there was a possibility that Auburn
42:31
Speaker 1: was going to hire DJ Durkin. And if they had,
42:33
Speaker 1: I was prepared to come on here and act a
42:36
Speaker 1: royal fool. This was the guy that oversaw Jordan McNair's
42:39
Speaker 1: death at Maryland. It is amazing to me that people
42:41
Speaker 1: keep hiring. Guys that get into trouble for ill-treatment of players,
42:45
Speaker 1: and they just keep getting jobs. It is the most
42:50
Speaker 1: stunning and frustrating thing about this game.
42:52
Speaker 2: And it's not even like they're sent off into the
42:55
Speaker 2: wilderness the way Art Bryles has been.
42:57
Speaker 4: Right.
42:57
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, DJ Irvin was at defensive quarter, what,
43:00
Speaker 2: three or four years later? Yes.
43:02
Speaker 1: And it was like it was Muschamp, I think, was
43:03
Speaker 1: the guy that brought him back into the fold to
43:06
Speaker 1: do that. And it's just it's crazy to me. that
43:08
Speaker 1: he even has this job. But it was– Auburn, always
43:12
Speaker 1: something crazy going on there with Auburn, boy. And the
43:14
Speaker 1: interim fighting away– and he was coaching that game like
43:17
Speaker 1: he thought he could get the job. Like, if Durkin
43:21
Speaker 1: would have won that game against Alabama, buddy, it would
43:23
Speaker 1: have been really, really, really tough for them to not
43:27
Speaker 1: do it.
43:27
Speaker 2: I mean, we were real close to getting DJ Durkin–
43:31
Speaker 2: Auburn head football coach and Bobby Petrino, Arkansas head football coach.
43:35
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Arkansas.
43:36
Speaker 3: Who did they hire?
43:37
Speaker 2: They hired the guy from Memphis.
43:38
Speaker 1: The Memphis. Cause I had heard, I thought Petrino was
43:41
Speaker 1: going to get that job. Like it, it sounded like, um, uh,
43:45
Speaker 1: one booster in particular. wanted Bobby to have that job,
43:48
Speaker 1: and that was the direction that they were going to
43:50
Speaker 1: go in, and I was hoping for it. I thought
43:54
Speaker 1: that that would have been a great time. The thing
43:56
Speaker 1: to watch for is we're also starting to get whispers
43:58
Speaker 1: that sound like Lincoln Riley trying to find his way
44:01
Speaker 1: out of USC, but I think he wants to try
44:04
Speaker 1: to get out to get a job of similar caliber
44:06
Speaker 1: of USC. Oh, no, no, no, no, nobody, nobody, nobody.
44:09
Speaker 1: If you want to leave USC, you're going to have
44:11
Speaker 1: to take a step down.
44:13
Speaker 2: Or at least get Warren to go call on some
44:16
Speaker 2: games for a few years. Yes, yes.
44:18
Speaker 1: And if he leaves USC, Caleb DeBoer is going to
44:26
Speaker 1: be left with a decision to make. You call him.
44:32
Speaker 1: Anybody that's got an opening, you call the Alabama coach
44:35
Speaker 1: every time because it just might be the day that
44:38
Speaker 1: they don't feel like that.
44:39
Speaker 2: I mean, there were all these whispers that, you know,
44:42
Speaker 2: that he would that. that the guys up in Penn
44:44
Speaker 2: State were calling about him too.
44:46
Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
44:46
Speaker 1: Hey, man.
44:47
Speaker 2: You have to make that call.
44:49
Speaker 1: You can catch him on the right day. You can
44:50
Speaker 1: catch him at the right time. I'm telling you. I
44:53
Speaker 1: can only imagine how many times he could sit and
44:55
Speaker 1: quit in that job.
44:56
Speaker 2: I can only imagine, like you said, we mentioned this
45:00
Speaker 2: off the top of the show, losing that Iron Bowl.
45:04
Speaker 1: He looked so relieved, man. There was a couple of
45:07
Speaker 1: moments you could just see it and just be like, okay.
45:12
Speaker 1: They got the SEC championship this week that they probably
45:15
Speaker 1: aren't going to win.
45:15
Speaker 2: Alright, Bo. Voicemail lines are open. We got a couple
45:25
Speaker 2: of great ones after the holiday break. Let's take a listen.
45:28
Speaker 4: Hey, Bo.
45:28
Speaker 3: My name is Jonathan calling in wishing you, thanking you,
45:32
Speaker 3: celebrating you for hitting 100,000 subscribers on YouTube. With that
45:37
Speaker 3: being said, would you mind going back through some of
45:41
Speaker 3: your greatest hits for some of the newer callers and listeners.
45:44
Speaker 3: I'm specifically talking about Mike Tirico claiming that peninsula in
45:49
Speaker 3: Europe and your beef with Laurence Crisper. Thanks for the show.
45:55
Speaker 3: Enjoy everything that you do.
45:56
Speaker 4: Peace.
45:59
Speaker 1: Man, it's been a long time since I've had the
46:01
Speaker 1: opportunity to introduce the Mike Tirico situation to somebody. I
46:05
Speaker 1: think I'm going to do that with my parents when
46:07
Speaker 1: I get home for Christmas this year. My mama's listening
46:10
Speaker 1: to this. Don't let me forget to tell you the
46:13
Speaker 1: Mike Tirico story, mama.
46:14
Speaker 2: That's a Christmas gift to yourself, if I've ever heard one.
46:20
Speaker 1: I told you about that time I had to give
46:21
Speaker 1: Mike Tirico a sports Emmy.
46:23
Speaker 2: No, you did not.
46:25
Speaker 1: So after the first season of Game Theory, HBO had
46:27
Speaker 1: worked it out, and I was a presenter at the
46:31
Speaker 1: sports Emmys. and I forget what the sports TV was for,
46:35
Speaker 1: and the winner was Mike Tirico, and I shook his
46:38
Speaker 1: hand and I gave him the trophy, and it definitely
46:40
Speaker 1: gave me the vibe that while he may not be
46:43
Speaker 1: a regular listener of this show, I believe that he
46:46
Speaker 1: was made familiar with some of the content, some of
46:51
Speaker 1: the running gags, shall we say. I'm just kidding. For
46:59
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Mike Tirico apparently did
47:03
Speaker 1: not find out he was black until well into the
47:06
Speaker 1: 21st century. He's a character in a Farrelly Brothers movie.
47:10
Speaker 1: I don't understand. He Italian. I mean, that's not saying
47:17
Speaker 1: he's not.
47:20
Speaker 2: This is the part where I play the next voicemail.
47:23
Speaker 4: Hey, Bomani, this is Tom going from way up north
47:25
Speaker 4: in Canada. Recently, and I really like The Replacements, just
47:30
Speaker 4: had another remaster come out of one of their great albums.
47:35
Speaker 4: I say that to say, I'm wondering, is there a
47:39
Speaker 4: record that you really like that you think was rescued
47:44
Speaker 4: by a remaster, delayed The Replacements, Let It Be, and
47:49
Speaker 4: Tim was? Anyway, Bomani... Shout out you. Shout out the
47:53
Speaker 4: whole Morning Jones family. Shout out DJ Mike Hittman. Great
47:56
Speaker 4: to hear him back on the show again. Shout out Shannon.
47:58
Speaker 4: Shout out everyone else. I'm forgetting Corey, my Canadian brother.
48:02
Speaker 4: Take care of all. Have a good one. Hey, man.
48:05
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And so, Rescued by a Remaster is interesting.
48:10
Speaker 1: I don't know if Rescue is necessarily the right way
48:13
Speaker 1: to put it, but the first digital mixes of the
48:16
Speaker 1: Beatles records were not very good, and the remasters got
48:18
Speaker 1: better over time. What often happens is, The records that
48:22
Speaker 1: typically need remasters are because however it was done for
48:27
Speaker 1: analog just did not translate over. There was a great
48:32
Speaker 1: remaster of Slide to Family Stones. There's a Riot going
48:35
Speaker 1: on that came out about 20-something years ago that helped that.
48:38
Speaker 1: But if you just get a vinyl version of Riot,
48:42
Speaker 1: you're good. It was a tough listen digitally, but it
48:45
Speaker 1: was a great listen on vinyl. So that often happens.
48:48
Speaker 1: These Prince remasters have been interesting because Prince... in many cases,
48:52
Speaker 1: just didn't have time to worry about how it sounded.
48:54
Speaker 1: He was like, but it's the heat. All it has
48:57
Speaker 1: to be is the heat. So this Around the World
48:59
Speaker 1: in a Day remaster is good. Parade is the one
49:04
Speaker 1: that needs a remaster more than anything else. And on
49:07
Speaker 1: a different day, we could talk about how... Eh, I
49:11
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about Parade right now. But anyway, yeah.
49:15
Speaker 1: A lot of the Preds catalog and remasters are helpful,
49:18
Speaker 1: I will just say it like that.
49:19
Speaker 2: All right, here's our last one. Hey, bro.
49:22
Speaker 4: This is Zach from Dallas. I'm out here on the porch, man. Just, yeah,
49:26
Speaker 4: I'm in.
49:27
Speaker 1: Dallas to get the traffic.
49:28
Speaker 4: But this is how I'm thinking, dog.
49:30
Speaker 3: When was the first time you.
49:31
Speaker 4: Took a walk with your cousin on Thanksgiving? Like, what
49:35
Speaker 4: was your first walk like? I remember mine.
49:37
Speaker 2: It was pretty dope.
49:39
Speaker 4: I actually thought we was walking.
49:44
Speaker 1: Yeah it just.
49:46
Speaker 4: Kind of went from there it was pretty cool but
49:49
Speaker 4: yeah tell me about that first time.
49:51
Speaker 1: Bro I don't have no like recollection necessarily that much
49:56
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily so much a walk for us as
50:01
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just a go to the garage ain't nobody
50:06
Speaker 1: really paying attention right or just a you know All right.
50:10
Speaker 1: You know, like, also, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, it's
50:13
Speaker 1: a little different in my house. We can walk with
50:17
Speaker 1: your pops. When one of the names on the deed
50:23
Speaker 1: is making a move with you, rules are a little different.
50:27
Speaker 1: What can I say? But, hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks
50:30
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50:32
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