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A Conversation With Darryl Ingram — South West Devon Parliamentary Candidate, Heritage Party · UK Column Radio

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Good morning to the UK Column audience, whether you're viewing or listening, welcome
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and I've got to say it's an absolutely wonderful day in Plymouth. The sun
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has decided to come back and it's a sunny day, which is always a
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great start to whatever you're going to do. Now today we are going to
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be speaking to the Heritage Party, and in particular to their parliamentary candidate for
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Southwest Devon constituency, and that's Darryl Ingram and he's also going to be joined
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by Madeline Hunt, who's the General Secretary for the Heritage Party. And I'll
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say to our audience today that UK Column has done a couple of interviews previously
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with a Heritage Party which I found particularly interesting, mainly as a result of
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Madeline's background in Poland, where she was able to talk about things she's seen
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unfold in Poland during very troubled times and she was reflecting on similarities with the
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things that she's observed operating in UK, so that was particularly interesting to me.
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But UK Column has also been able to facilitate a symposium for the Heritage
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Party which was under the title Defying the Real Enemy, and for me this
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is one of the key points we've got an election this is to get people
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elected obviously to represent their constituents within the various constituency areas, but ultimately we
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know that something is badly wrong in this country and we need a change in
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politics and that means new people. So Darryl straight away, I'm going to
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welcome you to UK column. Very much Brian, pleasure to be here,
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thank you, and we're also we're also bring in Madeline General Secretary. It's
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very nice to have you back again. Madeline. It's very nice to be
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back here. Thank you very much for having me. No, Daryl,
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we had a chat on the phone the other day which I thoroughly enjoyed.
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This was just for me to get a little bit of a feel for you
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and what you're up to. But today you've got the opportunity to talk to
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UK Column audience, and I'd like to start off with a simple question.
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Tell us a bit about why you're standing in the Southwest Deven election as a
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Heritage Party candidate. Well, Brian, I'm basically born and bred from Plymouth,
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working class, just a normal chape off the street. Really, the
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reason I'm standing is it all started basically a year ago when they top the
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trees down in Plymouth. I've never been politically active, never gave it a
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thought. In fact, it sounded a bit repugnant to me becoming part of
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the establishment, quite honest with you. So basically, after they chopped the
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trees down, I was so angry. I joined the Heritage Party of the
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day after. I've been looking at them for a while because their values aligned
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with mine almost perfectly. I joined on the Wednesday. Think trees come down
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on the Tuesday. I joined the Heritage Party on the Wednesday. By the
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Thursday, I'd already been elected. I'd already gone for local council, local
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councilor. So within three days I've gone from just a member of the public
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to a council candidate. And such was my fury and anger. Really,
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I mean, to me, the trees were the last straw for me,
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and some of the excuses I was getting off the council or their felling was
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just plain ridiculous. I don't think the councilor's understood stood the reason themselves.
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So I just thought, well, I've got to do something, you know,
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I can't just stand here and just let this happen. To my my
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beloved city. So I decided to put my head above the parapet. I
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then subsequently did three elections after that, all in a row because we had
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by elections. It was a bit of a wild time for me. Then
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we've had a gap in between and I was asked by the Heritage Party to
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be prospective candidate for MP Plymouth even Southwest, and I couldn't really refuse.
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Really, I was a bit reluctant. I must have met Brian, but
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I think this is something you have to see through to the end. I
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mean, the way I was brought up dictates I do something about this,
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or try to do something about this. So here here we are general.
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Thank you for that, just to set the scene a bit for people who
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may be watching or listening in from a further afield. When you're talking about
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the trees, these were trees that were cut down in the center of Plymouth
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and a lot of people were stunts that trees. Plymouth is quite a let's
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describe it. It's quite a hard city from a point of the point of
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view of the architecture. It was rebuilt just after the Second World War with
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the so called Abercrombie Plan, it's got a lot of very big buildings,
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portland stone wide streets, and the trees really were one of the things that
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softened it. And then suddenly they were cut down, and they were cut
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down overnight. And of course we've seen previously that sort of thing happening in
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Sheffield, so I just wanted to drop that in just to enable viewers and
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listeners to know you were talking about Plymouth as a city. Yes, that's
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right. It was Abercrombie and it was post industrial design, quite stalinist in
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its design, and trees did soften up Lovely Center. I remember it when
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I was a child and in my teens, very clean. All the shops
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were occupied, and now where the trees gone, and they've left them there
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because they're in dispute. It looks awful. It looks terrible. And I
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think one of the excuses I had off a conservative counselor was we took the
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trees down because there's rubble under the city. I said, well I do
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know that, he said, and they're interfering with the rubble. I said,
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well, it's funny that because the rubble has been there for eighty years,
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seventy eighty years. The trees have been there for thirty years. He
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says, yes, that's right. We were actually thinking of taking these trees
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down twenty years ago. I said, I remember when they went in the
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early nineties, they would have been saplings. Why would you take them down?
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I said, trees like the root system likes rubble, it likes stones.
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It looks something that grabbled of. Does that make sense to you?
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And he could answer the question because that's the narrative he'd been fed from the
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top down, and so Darren lift, trees were an important issue. You
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felt passionate at about that, and that got you to step forward and become
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ultimately become a candidate. What else was it that you've been seeing within the
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country. There are other things that you've been noting, and it's helped give
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you this desire to stand up and do something. As I say, Brian,
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for me, the trees were an act of Vanderism to Plymouth. But
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I've been aware for many years of the cultural Marxism agenda to hollow out the
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West. And obviously we live in the West and Plymouth's are part of the
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West, and it's nationwide, it's europe wide, it's America, the West
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has being hollowed out piece by piece, sold often nearest the highest bidder,
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and it breaks my heart and angers me, Brian, it really does.
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I'll use Plymouth and example, but I travel all over the country because I'm
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a courier and I see it everywhere. All of the country is deprivation all
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over the country. It's the same pattern as I'm sure your viewers have seen
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witness for themselves. It's just shops, empty tents in doorways, homeless people.
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You know, they should be given somewhere to go. You know,
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I'm not blaming the homeless people. They're they're there, they're victims here.
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It's just deprivation everywhere you look. It's a terrible thing to see. And
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it's it's not just the hollowing out of the actual buildings as well, it's
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the hollowing out of the government, the the police, our NHS are in
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all our institutions being hollowed out piece by piece and dismantled. And it's it's
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quite quite scary. I've been aware of that for years, but you know,
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it really came home to Plymouth that day and it was just the last
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straw for me. Often the last straw is the smallest straw, but that's
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what did it for me. Anyway, Thank you for that. I'm thinking
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myself that probably there's some some people who'll be with us and listening to what
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you're talking about, will maybe be surprised that you've thrown in a pretty strong
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statement, which is Marxism, and you're describing the breakdown of the country.
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Something that was stuck in my mind from many years ago was a statement by
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the then Conservative MP Nick Bowles, who talked about the Conservatives introducing a period
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of what he said was creative destruction in order to change society in this country.
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And that was also reinforced at the time by a man called Danny Krueger,
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who was a prospective parliamentary candidate for the Conservatives in that same timeframe,
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and he also said something very similar publicly. So for the audience, I'm
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going to say that you've made that statement, but if people do their own
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research and go and have a look at what the Conservative Party it's talked about
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in previous years, it's absolutely true that they've talked about breaking down society to
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bring in with change which they don't define, and a new type of society.
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And of course we had Eric Pickles, who was the Communities Minister,
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who was busy boasting that he didn't look like it, but he said,
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the quote is, I am a I may look an unlikely revolutionary, but
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the revolution starts here. So I just throw that into reinforce what you're talking
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about, that we've seen a massive change in society and this has only come
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about through the works of the key parties. Yes, that's right. Basically
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this has been gone on for the last at least fifty years. I mean,
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the Marxists realized that they couldn't they couldn't have a class were here because
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everyone was fairly comfortable compared with the East. So they had they had to
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do something else. So they basically dissecting society into small pieces of pitting basically
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small groups LBGT T whatever and NGOs as well. They're they're involved, they're
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pitting them against each other, is what you're saying, which I think more
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and more people realize. So, Darryl, it takes a lot of courage
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to actually stand up as a candidate. Tell us a little bit about how
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you've found the process and what sort of support you've been able to get as
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you've done that. The bureaucracy is crazy. It's just layers and layers of
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bureaucracy and quite honestly, Brian, it feels like it's been put there on
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purpose. We the Heritage Party and other small candidates, part Independence, the
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Socialists, that everyone's finding it hard to get hustings. We're not being told
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this is this is going on across pascination. We've had numerous reports of this.
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So to get our voice out there is really really something else. You
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know it it should we should all it should be inclusive to everyone where we're
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supposed to live in a democracy in name at least, But I must admit
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going through this process, the vetting from the post office for the leaflets is
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ultra bureaucratical. It just seems they've put all this in your way. The
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big parties want to have this problem. One they've got a brand and two
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they've got huge teams behind them. And obviously the the government that called the
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election they know well in advance when they're going to call that they have a
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lot of time on us. Six weeks it's not enough. I was speaking
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to the lady in the council that helps you run. It takes you for
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the process basically, and she said, we normally get nine months six weeks.
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It's not enough. I asked her how long. What's the shortest possible
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time they could give us. She said six weeks. She said, we
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have to do nine months of work in six weeks, and we're finding the
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same. We haven't got the infrastructure. The big parties have got. Another
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thing that I apparently disagree with is I found this out when I was running
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for counselor. You basically become a ballot. You go on the ballot on
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the Friday, and by the Monday, they've already got the first postal votes
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out, which gives you no time. And I actually brought this up in
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the council and I said, do you think the system to me looks I
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didn't say rigged, but I said, it looks that it bias. It's
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biased toward smaller parties who haven't got the brand, who need more time.
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Being a smaller party as well. Where admin wis we're very thin on the
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ground. We have to do everything. The thing is, we get tied
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up with bureaucracy and red tape before we can even go out in campaign.
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So they've already the big, the large parties have already got that a good
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start on us really, so it feels to me it's really opened my eyes.
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It feels to me it's deliberate. I'm not saying it is, but
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that's what it feels like to me. And Darrel that's a key statement,
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isn't it. It's opened your eyes. You stepped up for the challenge of
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as standing as a parliamentary candidate and that whole process you've learned stuff through that
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as well. And I pick up on the hustings thing for people who don't
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know that word. It's basically where candidates can come together in a group in
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order to say why they are standing and talk about their pol season and what
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they hope to achieve. But it's done in a It should be done in
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a friendly environment where the public can sit in front of all of the candidates
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and hear what each one of them has to say. But in previous elections,
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I'm going to say, when I stood many years ago as a parliamentary
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candidate in Sutton inside Plymouth, i also found that I wasn't invited to hustings,
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that hustings were set up and I'd suddenly discover one was going to happen,
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and indeed one in the Baptist Church in Plymouth. I had to be
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pretty forceful to get in, and as an independent, I wasn't allowed to
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stand, I wasn't allowed to sit on the platform with the other candidates,
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but I was given three minutes to speak from the floor. So I'm going
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to say personally, I absolutely understand what you're talking about. It's as though
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the whole election system does not want want candidates apart from the mainstream parties.
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Well, say, we've had a lot of trouble. One of our candidates
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disclose on a soon meeting the other day that she had to She went into
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the she wasn't invited to hustings. Basically, she went in and demanded her
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seat in front of the audience. They were there, they were all there.
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She basically said, you know, I have an democratic right to be
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here. We haven't been invited. Can I please have a seat? They
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gave her one, with much embarrassment, but she had to go and demand
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her place. In a democracy, you know, it should be there for
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you. It's not. It's it's very biased, very biased, the whole
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system, and especially for me. I find the postal system, you know,
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postal votes bias as well, and a lot of this started after the
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lockdowns. You know, it used to be I remember it used to be
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for disabled people, elderly people, people who couldn't make it the polling station.
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Now, as in America, it seems the norm sixty percent now sixty
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percent vote by posts. Well, as I said to the council that how
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is secure is that what happens to those votes once you get them? Where
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are they stored? Is there a camera on them? No? No,
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although you can be you're invited to go to see them, open them and
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verify the signatures. To me, that's not good enough to me that they
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could be They could be manhandled at any point, interfered with at any point
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whilst they're on their property. Now, somebody who votes in person is a
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lot more secure. I'm very pro vote in person. They count the van
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down from loading to unload being twenty minutes. I think they get to get
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into Plymouth and they're put on the table as opposed to postal votes are just
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stored. Yes, they're opened in front of your eyes and verified. But
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to me, I'm quite I've got quite suspicious nature and I think, well
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it's it's open to abuse. It's open to abuse, and the government have
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been very pro postal votes. Since the SAME's happened with Trump in America,
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they're getting problems. Maybe the Democrats are, but it's all since COVID.
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Basically it's these emergency measures. They're still using these emergency measures. Ye,
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Darryl, this is a really interesting point. Perhaps it's a good time to
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bring Madelin in because one of the questions I'd like to ask her is about
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resources, because you've mentioned that the mainstream parties have got massive, massive amounts
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of money. Were reported on the news a couple of days ago that the
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Stories were sitting on donations of about forty four and a half million. Labor
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was twenty one point six million, lived them six hundred and ten thousand,
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and Reform Party two hundred and fifty five thousand, we'll say a quarter of
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a million. And the smaller parties, of course, have to get by
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with very limited resources. So Mamblin, welcome to today's discussion. And how
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have you found the whole process of electioneering? I agree with Darrea completely.
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This is terrible bureaucrass. It's terrible bureaucrass, and I think they are were
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meeting so many obstacles design especially to be preferred during the election time. Hastings
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is one thing, and of course the funds the fans is probably the biggest
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problem of any solid party because most of the Beetle Party live on the support
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from the from their members nothing else. Of course, this is always a
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very tempting donors coming. Everyone is approached with donors. This is no party
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in this world which actually doesn't have at least at some point a donor who
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is coming and saying, look, I will really support you, I will
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donate money, you will you will be great and big in no time.
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But any kind of donation which is so generous usually come with conditions, and
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unfortunately that is the point when some parties which could be good and sound promising,
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they just losing their grunts because they going for the trap. Practically,
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so, most of the parties really rely on the on the members and that
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is giving us obviously, as I mentioned previously, that we have to print
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the flyers, which cost really a massive amount of money because we're talking about
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one hundred thousand flyers. Another thing is even the posit itself deposit for one
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candidate is five hundred pounds. So if you want to have a six hundred
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candidates, you have to be a proper solid part with mysterious millionaire dollars and
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to actually help every candidate candidate to stand so that that is the downside of
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the system again because that is obviously just putting us straight away on the very
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bottom. And not only the funds. The problem the kind of publicity,
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what the other party have that's going pair probably with the same donors. That's
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my personal suspicious suspicion. But I can give you some example what I actually
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went through a few days ago, and I was quite disappointed. We have
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some Christian institute. I don't know if people are aware of that, but
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it is our Christian Institute in UK. Lots of Christians are members of this
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institute. Somebody sent me an email from the Christian Institute informing people about the
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election, the general election, and that was a very nice, very nice
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text and very nice video introducing people to the fact that they should vote very
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wisely and all the information about general election. The institute just make the point
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that they normally don't mix up with politics, but at this stage it is
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important, like totally present, agree that you know, they ask the message
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to their own members of the Precious but then they analyze the parties which the
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Christian members should pay attention to. And as you know, our party,
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the Heritage Party, based on the Christian principles, were really strongly based on
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the Christian principles, and I think we are the only party who actually does.
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And we also even with the candidates what we have, we have quite
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a few. We managed to be in the first top ten parties, which
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is a high position to be with the number of candidates, so we are
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in the ten important parties to analyze and vote for. However, the Christian
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Institute didn't include our name in the in the least, so I was rather
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surprised, and the person I know contacted them and said, look, I
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am really disappointed because I know about Heritage Party. That's the party what I
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follow because because of the Christian principles. So if you're deciding to involve the
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Christian members in the politics, what you're actually doing the right thing at the
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moment, why don't you introduce them to the list of all parties. If
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you're trying to give people a choice and encouraging them to analyze parties, why
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you don't print all lists everyone. And the excuse was really poor because they
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in reply they said, oh this is still We really apologized, but we
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only we didn't have a play on the website, we didn't have a place,
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and we didn't have a time to include all parties. So we only
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analyze party which have the biggest possibility to win, which are the most popular,
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and the party which have the most candidates, so hold on. So
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actually that is straight away suggestion to people forget about their others and this is
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the party to focus on. And this is a Christian institute, which especially
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is really upsetting. But you know, this kind of archde we can actually
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see from any other media as well, So that's another obstacle. And the
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funds is important because you know, if we have funds, we can actually
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buy posters and put them on the buses. Thank you for that, just
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what we bring Daryl back on screen. You said to me earlier you were
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feeling very tired. So the whole team is having to do your best to
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get over these obstacles, and you said it was very difficult for a small
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party to do this. It is very difficult. It's not only for us,
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but because we are not that small, but you know they are smaller
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party parties, which again they don't really have a massive support, and they
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are completely forgotten. They are not included in the is when when the list
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are published. So it's it's it's not fair. It's supposed to be democratic
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system, as that mentioned, and it doesn't look like democracy at all.
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And I think we talked about this before, so I remember this from Poland,
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you know, to the point when actually we came get to the point
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of not having any party, just having one. And I think we're going
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to this direction very very fast in UK. You mean we are heading in
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this direction very fast in UK. Yeah, okay, Daryl, let's let's
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bring bring you back. You're you're now in the seat and you're you're fighting
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to the best of your ability. Uh in this election. How have you
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you've found people when you've been canvas sink, when you've been talking to people
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about what you're trying to do? Have they responded? Well, it's because
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us, Honestly, Brian, we haven't done a lot of cauncling. We've
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been so tied up in bureaucracy. But I take part in a outreach in
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my spare time in the City Center were them most weeks and we basically cover
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all these subjects. Anyway, People are very receptive. People are very receptive.
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The main the main thing I get from people is we've never heard of
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you. We love your policies, we've never heard of you. I certainly
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got that with the council elections. They just haven't heard of us. And
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just to say, if I made Brian further from what Madlin was just saying
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about democracy, I mean, there was a time not so long ago where
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your MP represented you, the constituent. He would take your concerns to Parliament
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and air them to parliament. That's bottom up. That's how democracy should work.
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But more and more it seems to be inverted the other way around.
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Basically, these the governments and the opposition as well, that they're basically formulating
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policies with the help of I think tanks, NGOs, big business, big
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farmer lobbyists, et cetera, and they're basically dictating to us, the constituents,
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how it's going to be like it or lump it. That's not democracy.
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That's a dictatorship to me. And it's been like that for a long
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time and it's getting worse. Money is driving government now, not not not
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the people, and so it always feels like we're indentured slaves. We worry
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and the really drives me. The thought of that reals me. And that's
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why this needs a real strong opposition. The problem is not government. The
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problem is lack of opposition. There's an opposition. We have a two party
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system, it's two cheeks of the same and they both work for the same
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people, the global list. You need a strong opposition in there are give
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an example of the trees in Plymouth. Now, if we if there would
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have been independence and say the Heritage Party, there'd been a true opposition in
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the in the chambers of the council. They could have opposed that and they
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could have stopped that, and that works countrywide. There's no opposition to this
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government. They're out of control. And also mister Fraud, who you know
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I agree with on a lot of things, he said something the other day
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which I didn't agree with. He said, basically, we are now the
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new opposition. We you know, the official opposition. Well, who watches
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the watchers. You need a diverse opposition like they're having Europe where where independence
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smaller parties can get together and block these things. You know, it's there
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are two parts. If mister Frage was to be the the official opposition,
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it would still be a two party system, you know, other than the
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proportional representation, which I would love to see, by the way, I
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think, I think that's a lot fairer. At least we could have a
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strong opposition that can actually block these these silly and utter destructive policies that seem
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to be handed down to us. So I think I think that, you
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know, if we don't get in, you need an opposition. So I
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would say to the voter. I know, I know Reformer in in the
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limeload at the moment because they've got more money than we've got. But I
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would I would implore that the voter to please have a look at our policies
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and think of what we could do if we were in a position of opposition.
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Not we might not be the official opposition, but we're in there and
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we can change things. I mean, Andrew Bridge is one man. He
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seems to do a lot of damage in there, you know. So if
30:07
I can think of us as I think of me as an Andrew Bridging,
30:11
your local Andrew Bridging, I'll certainly create a stir in there and they won't
30:17
be getting try to block them anyway. At least it's a step in the
30:22
right direction, Daryl. We have over the years seen the effect that one
30:26
or two independents can have, certainly at local council level. When when local
30:33
elections have produced independent candidates and those candidates have stood up to be counted inside
30:41
the local authority, they've had they've had a very big effect, I would
30:45
suggest, bigger than their actual numbers. And if we can if we can
30:52
get parliamentary Independence elected, or Independence or the all parties like the Heritage Party,
31:00
this means that there can actually be some formal opposition. And I completely
31:06
take your point over reform. To say that you're going to be the official
31:11
opposition means actually that you're you're part of this controlled game. Just just to
31:18
move on a little bit, Darryl, can you tell us a little bit
31:21
about your policies for the party and what what you would hope to achieve if
31:26
you're elected, What would you what would you be fighting for as an MP.
31:33
I've just got a little list here in no particular order, But we
31:37
have to defend our culture has been torn apart that the scenes. We are
31:41
called the Heritage Party. We're all about culture, that's buildings, that's actual
31:45
culture. So and the fabric of this country is being torn apart. I
31:49
don't recognize it anymore. Definitely, ptail, curtail, massive imtegration. A
31:56
lot of these people are you know, they're they're economic migrants that they're supposed
32:04
to be stopping at the nearest safe country. Well that's not the UK,
32:08
that's not even France. You know, they're they're they're they're coming here for
32:13
economical reasons. They're they're drained on our resources. Nothing at them personally.
32:16
I can understand why they would want to be here because mhm. The government's
32:22
policies with the welfare system are so generous to them. So who wouldn't want
32:28
to come here? So it's not it's not them I'm blaming. They're they're
32:31
just a product of of the policies our government have on that the far Darkmore
32:40
for one, you know they're they're talking about taking the livestock off off Darkmore.
32:45
Well, dark Moore is dark More. I mean it was a forest
32:49
many years ago, you know, a thousand years ago. But it is
32:52
a beautiful place. It is what it is because of livestock. Livestock create
32:58
darkmore. It's the live stock today, it's the farmers tomorrow. And then
33:02
it's get rid of the green belt, which mister Starmer has already announced he
33:08
will do. He will get rid of the green belts. So basically we
33:13
could see the end of a national park. That's another one. The NHS.
33:20
Far too many, far too much bureaucracy, far too many middle managers.
33:24
There are a drain on the resources. They are parasitico, they're they're
33:28
telling the doctors the jobs you can't do that. We haven't got enough money,
33:31
we need quotas. It's it's a drain on the NHS. So that
33:37
would be another one. We got global to local. That's a huge issue.
33:44
That's a huge issue. That's that's what we that's what we talk about
33:47
when we're in town, on our on our meetings. Global to local,
33:54
just as briefly is basically our councils now are being run by the UN and
34:00
the WERE and the WHO government are retaining certain powers, but it's coming straight
34:07
down from the top log to local and the public get this. When I
34:12
didn't expect that response from I expect them to sort of look at me with
34:15
them blazed eyes. But they get it because they feel it. Funds are
34:21
being drawn out of our public sector in Plymouth and everywhere else in the country,
34:25
and they go to the top the fund wars and such things. And
34:32
I spoke to a social work a few weeks ago and she said, yeah,
34:35
we cannot get funds for love of money, but she can't understand where
34:38
the money's going. That's another thing as well. Social housing, social services,
34:45
immigration is, as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong,
34:49
are under the guise of social housing and social welfare. It's almost like it
34:53
was hidden on purpose. You know, let's hide this money, let's put
34:58
it under a new name, sweeping under that carpet, and nobody will know
35:01
that's that's going on. So, you know, we'd like to address that.
35:07
Animal rights, the big one. Madlin's Madeline's the one for that.
35:09
She's a she's a big animal lover. Now no party is talking about animal
35:14
rights, nobody. And we used to be known as the caring country.
35:17
We used to be the RSPCA was was the envy of the world. You
35:22
know, the British their animal lovers, the dog lovers not so much anymore,
35:28
not so much anymore. Say that goes back to us losing our our
35:31
heritage. You know, that's one more example. Yeah, that's basically it
35:39
really let's see as justin very brief I won't touch on this, but five
35:45
guitars seemed to be going up everywhere without very little plan of mission. They
35:50
got open nights. You know, it's just wow, it's it's just in
35:54
my view, it's just too much of it. I would like to address
35:57
that. It's very interesting listening to what you're saying, because you've immediately given
36:04
a mix of things which are sort of national policies. If you're talking global
36:08
to local and the power of the organizations like the World Health Organization and the
36:15
World Economic Forum, and even individuals like mister Bill Gates. We're clearly seeing
36:21
the immense power of unaccountable individuals and bodies directly affecting political policy inside the UK.
36:31
But you've mentioned that sort of thing, and then you've also come down
36:36
to very local issues. Well, you started on the subject to trees,
36:40
very important to a lot of people, but you're also talking about the changes
36:46
that they are pushing very hard to change. The whole way that dart More
36:52
works now this is the very local issue. And of course one of the
36:59
things that I see with politicians from the mainstream parties is increasingly then they don't
37:05
seem concerned with local issues within their constituencies. They are totally caught up with
37:12
the larger policies. And if I just make an example of that, I've
37:19
got the Conservative website up with their with their plan for clear, clear plan,
37:27
bold action, secure future. And what are they talking about. They're
37:31
talking about security, national insurance, pensions and childcare. So the main parties
37:39
always come in with these very big policy areas, but their individual candidates and
37:45
their MPs are not addressing matters which are important to the local people. Well,
37:52
Brian, these are globless policies. These are passed down from way higher
37:57
than our government, way higher than our government. I mean, maybe the
38:00
view maybe the viewer has heard of localism leveling up. It's all part of
38:07
the same agenda. Basically, they're not worried about local issues anymore. It's
38:14
global issues. We're just a very small part of their puzzle. And then
38:19
they want us all or uniform, They want us all the same that we're
38:23
easy to control. That way, if if you know, if everyone's the
38:28
same marriage China, you know, however, they're much easier to control with
38:35
one real suits or and this is what they're heading towards. This is why
38:38
they're destroying. In my view, it's why destroying our heritage because they can't
38:44
they haven't got room for her or you know, customs that they don't want.
38:51
They want us all the same, and they want us all all the
38:54
same, or as in wealth, they want us all poor. When they
39:00
say they're leveling up, you've got winners and you've got losers. But they're
39:04
after the middle classes. Be very aware of that. If you are middle
39:07
class, they're after you because the middle class drives any economy and middle class
39:12
provide jobs. Just like at China Russia, the first thing to go was
39:19
the middle class, then the jobs. Then you are poor, you do
39:24
as you are, toad and that is all part of this agenda. That's
39:28
why they don't care about localism. That's why we need strong opposition in councils,
39:35
very very important, and we need people in the House of the Parliament
39:39
to try and stop this. As you said earlier, Andrew Bridge is just
39:44
one man. You can do a lot of damage. It's the Fox in
39:47
the Henhouse. It upsets the apple cart. They don't like it. And
39:53
if I'm elected for MP I'm not going to have it. I'm going to
39:58
push, push, push and push, and I'm going to keep pushing.
40:02
Darrel, thank you for that. Let's bring Madelin back on screen because we're
40:07
back on this important issue of the change in the country. You've come from
40:12
Poland originally, you've lived in England a very long time and you are now
40:15
General Secretary of the Heritage Party. Daryl's talking about the fact that this country
40:22
has lost its roots, it's lost its heritage. Tell us a bit more
40:27
about what you've seen. What is it that you are concerned about you see
40:32
happening in UK? Thank you, Brian. I am concerned about everything that
40:37
I'm seek here at the moment, because, as I mentioned in previous programs
40:43
and our previous talk, it's not only similar to what's happened in Poland,
40:47
it is exactly the same what's happened in Poland. It is exactly the same
40:52
damaging system which destroyed the Polish economy, destroyed people's lives for generations. Life
40:58
when we was all level down to the same not developed. This is leveling
41:01
down. We was all leveled down to the same to the same position in
41:06
the society. And you know, people who didn't belong to the communitarian communitarian
41:12
system didn't have any opportunity to go to the higher education, to have a
41:16
job. So that's very much the same. Oh, these things is happening
41:21
now. They're leveling up the society, leveling down the society. So that's
41:25
why we have this immigration. So much of emigration is coming in and they
41:31
create emergency something that I think that was going to say, but you know,
41:36
it just lost between the wars. The emergence create the disasters policies,
41:43
which giving them the chance to bring the system which we had already equolland so
41:46
I can see that the similar way what we going, what we already had
41:51
in Poland. This is this is really scary, and I think that the
41:53
way to stop this, I try to be very quick with this. I
41:58
think that way to stop this it's to actually have a proper and piece in
42:01
the Parliament. This is a very important step, but also to bring back
42:07
the role of the MP as it should be, because at the moment the
42:10
NP really represents the council, it doesn't represent the people because councils represent the
42:16
people voice apparently, so the NP himself, it doesn't have a support from
42:22
the council, will have a very very hard job in the Parliament to actually
42:28
fulfill the promises what they get to people. Because what we had important,
42:34
nobody really have anything to say that was a group of people running the old
42:37
country. Depends of people on the top somewhere as the same people who a
42:42
running everything now. I don't know what to say about the how I can
42:49
compare what is going on, because this is a subject for hours and hours
42:52
to explain. Because if you see any sector of the economy, what we're
42:57
going through, any sector of the culture, what we're going through at the
43:00
moment, the changes, what we're seeing, they are spot on. What
43:05
happened in Poland before losing heritage is the first basic thing to change the society
43:10
because if you just look, if you just get rid of the people identity,
43:15
they people are simply lost. And we can see this now with the
43:19
amount of amount of news and the destruction with the foreign wars, the society
43:24
becomes massively confused. Additionally to the confusion, we have some hundreds or even
43:31
more genders, which is something completely new they change the definition of words,
43:37
which is completely new. So they created this kind of overload, that mess
43:43
in every single brain and that's how people losing the value, the real life
43:49
value that the people losing the empathy. That's why the animal strikes is very
43:52
important because this is the first thing which we will mem that empathy exists.
43:57
And if we can compare to Poland, what's happening in Poland, this is
44:01
a breeding. They're just going through this period of breeding, particular generation.
44:07
They never succeed in Poland because you know, people got rid of them after
44:10
forty years, but they got them back then got the nation back from the
44:15
EU. So we really just have to follow common sense. We have to
44:22
stick to the to the to the proper value. We need to respect ourselves
44:27
and really common sense is the first thing com conswense in logic. If you
44:31
listen, you have a we have a very soft heart. We feel sorry
44:35
for immigrants. We feel sorry for these people that suffer. So what we're
44:38
doing we welcome them to this country and promising them what were apparently going through
44:45
the life crisis. So if we care about these people, we shouldn't really
44:50
welcome them here because we have nothing to offer apparently, so you can see
44:53
the nonsense. What contracts itself in the way, how the poly introducing us
45:00
to the situation, what we are, how we can help people if we
45:04
can't help ourselves at the moment. So they're just telling us every day that
45:09
we're going to suffer. Everything is going to be more expensive. But yes,
45:13
please come here, we want to here. Then we don't really have
45:17
houses here, so we're going to build your houses. So you're going to
45:21
pay more money because we need to build houses for these people. But where
45:23
are we going to get the money from. We are in the life crisis
45:27
already. It doesn't make any sense if you analyze anything makes sense. You
45:31
just need to follow common sense. Vote for a proper normal people who are
45:37
aware what's going on. Madamin, thank you for that. Just one more
45:40
quick question for you other candidates that the Heritage Party has at the moment,
45:47
how easy it has it been to bring other people forward and get them to
45:54
stand as candidates for you. I think that we actually would have more candidates,
46:00
but because of the obstacles with the short notice and of course the financial
46:07
site, we probably lost about fifteen fifteen candidates just in the way of the
46:12
process. But otherwise people are really they really want to stant as a candidate.
46:17
But the biggest thing is always the finances. This is a five hundred
46:22
pounds so that's a lot of money. That is the thing called stopping people
46:27
to become a candidate. Daryl, let's bring you back on screen. One
46:30
of the things that I think it's I should do because this is an election
46:35
period. It's just mentioned some of the other names of the candidates at least,
46:38
so there's eight candidates standing in the Southwestern constituency. We've got Sarah Allen
46:45
from the Labor Party, We've got Julian Brazil Lib Dems. We've got Ben
46:50
Davey trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, Stephen Horner from Reform UK, Darryl yourself,
46:59
Laura McLay the Green Party, Rebecca Smith Conservative and Unius, and Alan
47:05
Charles Spencer the Independent. What I wanted to ask you is have you have
47:09
you been able to interact with the other smaller parties and the Independent? Is
47:15
there any form of recognition that you're all individuals that are trying to fight a
47:21
much bigger monster. There has been, but not in this election, more
47:25
more so with Council as I said with Brian, we've been tied up with
47:29
eurocracy at the moment, but yeah, I do. I do liaise with
47:34
with other candidates, certainly as far as council elections go, I have done,
47:39
and they're they're very receptive that there's a there's a common thread and through
47:45
our argument, we know it's wrong. We know the systems wrong, we
47:47
know it has to change, we know it has to change from the inside
47:51
out. You have to be in the system to beat the system, at
47:53
least give the system a heache for the short term. Can I just say
47:57
something, Brian, if I may on expand on what Madeline was saying about
48:00
common sense. The one argument I get from the public which is completely nonsense,
48:07
but it doesn't make sense. I'll give an example. There's a Conservative
48:12
voter and they're not happy with the Conservatives, and I said why you're not
48:15
happy? And they say, well, immigrations out of control, you know
48:20
this, that and the other, And so I said, so, how
48:23
are you going to vote? Oh, I'm going to vote labor as a
48:27
protest vote. And my answer to that is, well, the only person
48:30
you're protesting is yourself, I said, because so you're you basically you're you're
48:36
giving labor your vote because conservative weren't conservative enough. So so because they're not
48:44
conservative enough, you've gone far left. You've gone further to the left because
48:49
because you want a government that's more conservative. That doesn't make sense. And
48:53
people get that. When I say that, they they're not thinking, you
48:55
know, they're they're just they're being led down this road, steered, And
49:02
there's a there's a buzz where it's been going around for ten years now,
49:06
tactical voting, so that the only people that it's tactical for. And tactical,
49:12
by the way, is a weaponized word tactical to me anyway. The
49:15
only people benefit from tactical voting other people that are pushing you to tactical vote
49:21
vote vote we your heart and vote your head. You have to vote your
49:24
head and your heart. Get tactical voting. It's a ruse and put their
49:30
own purpose steer you down a road that they want you to go. Dorol.
49:34
This this is a really interesting point. And I think earlier earlier on
49:38
you said people must vote, and I certainly agree with that. If you
49:44
don't vote at all, you just are agreeing to this system and allowing it
49:49
to continue. So it seems to me that people should look at the list
49:52
of candidates. If they decide there's an individual or a smaller part that is
50:00
actually forming some form of opposition vote, they should vote for that person.
50:07
But if there isn't anybody to challenge the bigger parties, then the other option
50:13
they've got is to actually spoil their valort paper, because if they do that,
50:19
that spoilt vote is actually counted. So people often write comments such as
50:23
none of the above or I don't trust any of the mainstream parties, and
50:30
they actually write that on the voting slip, and the returning officer is obliged
50:35
to actually show these spoilt votes to the other candidates and indeed to readout what's
50:44
written on them. So for people who are in an area and you haven't
50:47
got the I got to say the luxury of a candidate standing as one of
50:54
the smaller parties such as Heritage or as an independent, then you have got
51:00
the option of spoiling the vote, which is effectively a statement that you do
51:05
not accept the voting system is fair. Now I've just thrown that, aren't
51:10
you, Daryl. I don't know how you feel about what I've just said
51:15
there. I totally agree with you, Brian. If you can't vote for
51:19
anyone protest vote it is logged. They do it in Australia. I used
51:25
to be of the opinion not to vote. I wasn't on the electoral row
51:32
until twenty fifteen in their parage in UKIP, and I put myself on an
51:37
electoral row. I was totally disengaged from it, and I put myself on
51:40
the electoral road to vote for UKIP. I want out of Europe, I
51:45
want it out of you. I want to use the European Court of Human
51:49
Rights, which would serve our immigration problem with the NIGHT. But I used
51:52
to be of the opinion if you vote in this, if you take part
51:57
in the vote, you're legitimizing their system. I've completely changed my mind on
52:01
that because the way I see it now, I see it there's a certain
52:07
demographic that votes heavily, votes are encouraged to vote. Now if they're voting
52:16
on mass and other people aren't voting, you know they could have two percent
52:22
of the vote, but it's still legitimate because you know they have the power.
52:28
At the end of the day, you need to vote, You really
52:31
need to vote. As I said, there's sixty to seventy percent of people
52:35
in this country have disengaged, and I think that's on purpose. I think
52:38
they've been made to feel so so disenfranchised by the powers that be to not
52:50
vote. They don't want us voting. Communists don't vote. They want us
52:53
to disengage from the system gives them. Just as anyone can come in and
52:59
vote then know, minorities, NGOs, you know, they can all take
53:07
power. As I understand it now, they're going to give the vote to
53:12
sixteen year olds. We're fresh out of university. I'll go no more into
53:15
that one, but no life skills. So they're they're going to probably be
53:22
persuaded to vote a certain way. If you are in the Commonwealth, you
53:28
can vote. Take Canada, we can't vote in their system. We were
53:31
taking out of their system a while ago, but they can vote in ours.
53:36
So the numbers are being you know, being made against us. Well
53:42
we've still got the numbers. You know, people of this country need to
53:46
vote. I would say to the voter, please vote, don't be apathetic,
53:52
don't be downhearted, because if you if you want change, you have
53:55
to vote change. That's the key point. I just add to that you
54:00
have to understand what the changes you want, because it seems to me that
54:04
the Conservatives and labor specializing constantly talking about change which they never define, and
54:14
I think that's a deliberate trick on the electorate. For Madlin, what you've
54:19
got our audience today, time is short. What would you like people to
54:24
do in order to support the Heritage Party. First of all, I really
54:29
want everyone to vote for the Heritage Party candidate. And if you don't have
54:32
a Heritage Party candidate, please support people who who are just in your neighborhood
54:39
voting for Heritage Party candidate. But also please join our party because the general
54:46
election is just one election. But it's not going to make massive changing the
54:52
system. To change the system, to really oppost the system we talk about
54:55
so many times, we have to go through the route from the roots and
55:00
really have to go to the local elections, local elections. So be sup
55:06
podcasts and fight with us against justice really locally, think about local election,
55:14
feel about co option aout, think about the by election and consider yourself to
55:19
stand as a candidate as well. Okay, thank you for that, and
55:23
Daryl, last words to you as the man with your head well above the
55:28
parapet at the moment. Would what would you like members of our audience to
55:32
do to help you in your campaign at the moment. Well, obviously the
55:37
first one is to vote for us. People need to I've got on my
55:44
Leavelet people have to play the part as well. It's not just I don't
55:49
see the point in just putting across on a ballot form every four years.
55:52
You have to be a where you have to educate yourselves. There's a lot
55:55
of unpleasant things going on and coming down the line for us, we need
56:01
to be aware. Look at it. Please look at our our manifesto.
56:09
You know, you just need to do your part. And just basically too
56:15
many people treat the government as they're the benefit. You know that the benelephant
56:21
they're there are they almost treat them like parents where we're where the parents.
56:24
We're we're the adults in the ring, not them. So we need to
56:30
take more control and you can do that just by educating yourself. Go online,
56:35
read you know this channel especially is fantastic for that, and that's what
56:40
I would say to them. Just please please please vote, and then if
56:44
you can't vote for the Heritage Party, please don't vote for the for the
56:47
big boys, because if you want to get rid of them, you're not
56:51
going to get rid of them by tactically voting for them. You have to
56:54
change your vote. Give us a try, give an independent a try.
57:00
If you know, try it, What have you got to lose if you
57:05
think it's bad now, it's going to get to how that works. Thank
57:09
you very much, indeed, and Marilyne also Madeline, sorry, also thank
57:15
you both very much for joining me today and taking us through the Heritage Party
57:21
and why you're standing. And I think there's some really good points that have
57:24
been made to the audience, so keep going and we wish you well.
57:30
Thank you very much for joining me today.