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6/25/26: Dems Panic After Zohran Sweeps NYC, DSA Chairs Slam Stephen Miller Smears · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: Ryan Graham, great to see Sar.
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Speaker 4: Good to see you again.
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Speaker 3: How you doing doing good?
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Speaker 2: Lot to get into this morning. We've got the establishment
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Speaker 2: in full meltdown over the election results in New York City,
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Speaker 2: so you will you and I will watch that with
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Speaker 2: a lot of interest and some delight, a lot of
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Speaker 2: react to react to you there. We also have the
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Speaker 2: nyc DSA co chairs who are going to join us
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Speaker 2: to talk about these wins, what they need with their
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Speaker 2: plan are going forward. We've got a very bizarre situation
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Speaker 2: unfolding with Trump who is refusing to sign this bipartisan
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Speaker 2: housing affordability bill unless Republicans pass his election rigging bill
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Speaker 2: called the Save America Act, So he is literally holding
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Speaker 2: affordable housing hostage to his election rigging plots. So that's
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Speaker 2: an interesting one. There was also a really messy, weird situation,
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Speaker 2: a shouting match between Trump and Center Bill Cassidy, who
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Speaker 2: just lost his primary over a war powers resolutions regard
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Speaker 2: to Ron that actually did pass the Senate with Bill
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Speaker 2: Cassidy and Ran Paul's help.
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Speaker 3: Things have progressed since there.
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Speaker 2: I will not spoil the ending of how this is
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Speaker 2: all unfolding, but very weird situation. We also wanted to
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Speaker 2: dig into these truly outrageous sentences that have been held
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Speaker 2: handed down in a case of ice protesters down in Texas.
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Speaker 2: Our front piececo is going to join and give us
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Speaker 2: the full legal analysis of what each of these individuals did,
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Speaker 2: the sentences that have been handed down so far, and
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Speaker 2: why this is so extraordinarily different from the way these
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Speaker 2: types of cases have been handled previously. And we've got
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Speaker 2: Cory Doctor joining us. He's the author of intitification. He
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Speaker 2: has a lot of thoughts about how we should think
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Speaker 2: about AI, whether it's a bubble, how you should approach
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Speaker 2: the use of AI in your own life. And he
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Speaker 2: has a new book out called Reverse centaur Or that's
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Speaker 2: part of the title. Anyway, that was the part that
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Speaker 2: stuck in my mind about how to live in this
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Speaker 2: new age of AI.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's going to be interesting people.
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Speaker 5: I think our audience is going to completely side with him,
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Speaker 5: although I think you and I have a lot of
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Speaker 5: kind of questions about his take here.
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Speaker 2: Well, don't tell our audience who to side with yet,
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Speaker 2: we can make our case, right.
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Speaker 4: I think they're not going to be with us. But
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Speaker 4: that's okay, that's okay.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: Before we get into the main blocks in the show,
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Speaker 2: we did want to acknowledge the horrific situation that is
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Speaker 2: unfolding down in Venezuela after a pair of dueling, very
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Speaker 2: severe earthquakes seven point two and seven point five Magne
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Speaker 2: to terrifying images coming out of Caracas and of other cities.
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Speaker 2: The epicenter was to the west of the Venezuelan capital
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Speaker 2: of Caracas. Go and put these images up on the
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Speaker 2: screen plays. Eric So the first video here is the
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Speaker 2: airport in Caracas. It's wild to me the number of
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Speaker 2: people who got their phones out and recorded this, because
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Speaker 2: there are just unbelievable images coming out. I would just
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Speaker 2: be running in terror personally as this is all unfolding.
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of buildings down. This is in
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Speaker 2: another Venezuelan.
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Speaker 3: City of Laguyra.
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Speaker 2: You can see buildings that have collapsed there, Smoke filling
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Speaker 2: the streets, you know, just scenes of really apocalyptic horror,
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Speaker 2: reminiscent of some of the war ravage scenes that we've
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Speaker 2: seen recently. Here's another image. I believe this is also
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Speaker 2: from that city of Laguyra, which is to the west
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Speaker 2: of Caracas, closer to the epicenter, but a lot of
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Speaker 2: significant damage in the capital as well and Ryan. As
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Speaker 2: of right now, the deathcount stands at over one hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty people. Unfortunately, that is certainly going to rise.
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Speaker 2: And you have, you know, thousands who have been injured
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Speaker 2: because you've had multiple of these high rise buildings in
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Speaker 2: a number of Venezuelan cities that have just completely collapsed.
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Speaker 2: So rescuers are searching through the rubble trying to figure out,
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Speaker 2: you know, if they can find survivors from those building collapses.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of these are old buildings that
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Speaker 5: are not not in great shape, particularly in Caracas, and
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Speaker 5: you're looking at the damage to some of these and
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Speaker 5: you're going to be it's going to be a combination
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Speaker 5: of either kind of a mass displacement event or people
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Speaker 5: you can, just being forced to and choosing to live
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Speaker 5: in the kind of buildings that would not pass let's say,
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Speaker 5: you know, you're a typical building code, and so unfortunately
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Speaker 5: Laquire is not a very big city, but it looks
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Speaker 5: like it was just completely devastated. We'll be following this
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Speaker 5: to see, you know, not just the kind of you know,
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Speaker 5: how big of a mass casually event it was on
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Speaker 5: this day, but what the effect is going to be
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Speaker 5: in people's ability to remain where they are over the
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Speaker 5: next weeks, months, and years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And it's obviously a country that has struggled significantly in
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Speaker 2: recent years with our sanctions and high levels of poverty
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Speaker 2: and inflation, and we just kidnapped their leader. So a
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Speaker 2: lot of tumult resulting from that as well, So we
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Speaker 2: will keep our eye on it.
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Speaker 6: All.
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Speaker 2: Right. With that being said, let's go and transition to
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Speaker 2: talking about some of the establishment fallout and what people
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Speaker 2: are saying both on camera and off camera from the
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party and the Democratic Party leadership about these incredible
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Speaker 2: victories for Zaramamdanni and the DSA wing of the Democratic Party. Ryan,
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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with an oldie, but a goodie here.
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Speaker 2: James Carville always colorful, you know, never a shrinking violet here,
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Speaker 2: I would say, has some thoughts on what should come
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Speaker 2: next for the Democratic Party. This is a ten let's
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Speaker 2: take a listen.
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Speaker 7: New York Times reported, and I have the quote right here.
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Speaker 7: I'll get to it. She is against passed off all
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Speaker 7: the views.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 7: She has attacked interracial relationships in the American flag.
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Speaker 8: Lady.
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Speaker 7: I ain't in the same party as you. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 7: I just not. And I actually do think it's time
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Speaker 7: for Democrats to talk the S word, skise them. I
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Speaker 7: really do. And everybody's always said no, no, we were
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Speaker 7: coalition with a big tent, and there's there's just some
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Speaker 7: shit that I can't be in the same camp with.
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Speaker 2: He's ready for a divorce, he's ready to break up
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Speaker 2: with some elements of the Democratic Party.
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Speaker 3: You know what's money, Ryan is. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: you follow this, but.
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Speaker 2: Carmel, Just what was that a week ago, two weeks
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Speaker 2: ago without a vociferously defending grand Platner who has very
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Speaker 2: similar ideological views. I don't know if you've said all
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Speaker 2: the things that Darry Lisa has said, for example, with
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Speaker 2: Claire or a mom Dottie. I mean, they're very much
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Speaker 2: in line on the vast majority of their ideological positions.
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Speaker 2: Carvel's got no problem with him, So I do think
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Speaker 2: there may be a little bit of bias that comes
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Speaker 2: with some of this commentary, but it does kind of
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Speaker 2: echo some of the views that were expressed, and I
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Speaker 2: guess a little bit more of a software from Jamie Harrison.
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Speaker 2: We can put aad up on the screen former DNC chair.
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Speaker 2: This got a lot of attention, he says. I say
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Speaker 2: this with no ill will or animosity. If you hate
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, then please don't run for our nomination.
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Speaker 2: Don't use our resources, don't rely on our volunteers, don't
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Speaker 2: use our infrastructure, don't ask Democrats to invest their time,
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Speaker 2: money and energy in your campaign. Focus on building the
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Speaker 2: party you actually support. Political parties are not perfect, but
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Speaker 2: they're built by millions of people who knocked doors, make calls,
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Speaker 2: organized meetings, and fight for the values they believe in.
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Speaker 2: If you don't believe in the party, then don't ask
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Speaker 2: its members to carry you across the finish line, you know. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: Like the most obvious response to this is, I think
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Speaker 2: the voters in the Democratic Party get to decide whether
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Speaker 2: who gets to be in the party and who they
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Speaker 2: want their non need to be. That is democracy, which
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Speaker 2: is something that the Democratic Party leadership has frankly struggled with.
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Speaker 3: But the other thing Ryan that.
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Speaker 2: Was amusing to me is this would be the same
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Speaker 2: camp and people who when people actually do run as
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Speaker 2: third party candidates like a you know, a Jill Stine
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Speaker 2: or something, lose their minds over that and act like
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Speaker 2: they're you know, complete traders and fascists and spoilers and
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Speaker 2: how dare you? The reality is they just don't want
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Speaker 2: real anti corporate views to be expressed anywhere on the
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Speaker 2: political spectrum. They want them to be pushed out of
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. They don't want them to run as
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Speaker 2: third parties. They just want them to go away and
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Speaker 2: not exist.
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Speaker 9: Right.
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Speaker 5: The phrase our volunteers and the phrase our time, energy
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Speaker 5: and money is wild coming from Jamie Harrison. It's like
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Speaker 5: a volunteer's time is not yours. You know, he's the
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Speaker 5: DNC chair. You don't own that.
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Speaker 4: Volunt You don't own that. You don't control that person.
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Speaker 5: If you pay them like they're a lobbyist, and then
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Speaker 5: you make them a DNC member, then yes, then you
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Speaker 5: own that in the sense that you have built that relationship.
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Speaker 5: But a volunteer, if a volunteer decides to canvas for
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Speaker 5: a candidate, the DNC doesn't own that, like that's that's
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Speaker 5: their free that's their free will.
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Speaker 4: You need to go out and present something more appealing
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Speaker 4: to them.
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Speaker 5: Now on the Carville point, it's interesting for I actually
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Speaker 5: think there should be kind of a complete and total
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Speaker 5: amnesty for anybody that said anything during woke one like
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Speaker 5: if you if you said something about the American flag
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Speaker 5: or inter racial relationships or what. You know, she had
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Speaker 5: this weird tweet about colonizers and dating people or whatever.
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Speaker 5: It's like, look, we're going to declare bankruptcy on one
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Speaker 5: point zero.
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Speaker 4: We're all moving on.
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Speaker 5: And I did an interview on Cargill's podcast several years ago.
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Speaker 5: People could probably go find it where I said to him, look,
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Speaker 5: you're complaining about this woke stuff.
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Speaker 4: It was you and your twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton campaign that really supercharged this because you didn't
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Speaker 5: want to fight Bernie Sanders on economics, on class You
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Speaker 5: wanted to fight him on the questions of racism and
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Speaker 5: sexism and homophobia, and you declared Bernie Sanders in his
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Speaker 5: entire movement to be these awful things, and that actually,
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Speaker 5: you know, ending racism doesn't actually break up the big banks,
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Speaker 5: So why are you talking about or bringing up the
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Speaker 5: big banks doesn't end racism, So why are you talking
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Speaker 5: about bringing up the big banks? You created this maze
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Speaker 5: of insanity that became this albatross around the Democratic Parti's neck.
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Speaker 5: So if people followed you into that maze, you can't
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Speaker 5: then pick up their tweets from like twenty nineteen and say, oh,
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Speaker 5: they can't be in the party anymore now that If
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Speaker 5: it's twenty twenty six and you're still talking like that, okay,
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Speaker 5: well then you really haven't filed for bankruptcy on one
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Speaker 5: point zero and we can talk about that.
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Speaker 4: But there has to be a way to kind of
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Speaker 4: turn the page.
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Speaker 5: If the left is willing to overlook war bankrupting the
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Speaker 5: entire country through the subcrime crisis and the financial crisis,
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Speaker 5: the immense amounts of corruption that have drained the possibility
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Speaker 5: of achieving the American dream from people, so willing to
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Speaker 5: overlook that and still work with the kind of carbill
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Speaker 5: winning the party, I think they can overlook some weird
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Speaker 5: tweets that were actually really galvanized by the kind of
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Speaker 5: Clinton wing of the party itself.
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Speaker 2: True, and we're going to talk with the DSA co
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Speaker 2: chairs about James's Letitia James's comments in the wake of
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Speaker 2: these victories. I mean, she's someone who's seen, she's certainly
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Speaker 2: a progressive, you know, she's seen. She's not DSA, but
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Speaker 2: she's AOC endorsed her, didn't endorse others, but did endorse her,
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Speaker 2: And she came out and said that there's hurt feelings tonight,
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Speaker 2: particularly in communities of color. So it's again this weaponization
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Speaker 2: of identity. Whereas if you look look at Orvell does
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Speaker 2: this coalition, look at darry Lisa's coalition, you know, look
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Speaker 2: at brad Landers coalition, darry Lisa looks like one black
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Speaker 2: voters in her district. So this very tribal, you know,
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Speaker 2: plea to identity is once again being used by the
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Speaker 2: you know, the more moderate UH portion of the party.
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Speaker 2: So that hasn't that hasn't ended, And of course we
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Speaker 2: see it deployed in accusation, accusations of anti Semitism all
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Speaker 2: the time, and that's been you know, we'll get to
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Speaker 2: some of that, which, of course, there's been a complete
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Speaker 2: meltdown from a lot of corners, both of the Democratic
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Speaker 2: Party but also the media.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Ryan, just real quick on Sis James.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was the first Working Families Party candidate ever
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Speaker 5: to win without fusing on the Democratic line.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 5: But she literally came in as a non Democrat, shook
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Speaker 5: up the system right.
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Speaker 3: Well, and here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: Is the problem for Carvel is if we actually took
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Speaker 2: seriously this proposal of like, okay, but you know what,
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Speaker 2: the people who oppose genocide are going to go in
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Speaker 2: this party and the people who support it are going
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Speaker 2: to stay in the good old Democratic Party. You're going
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Speaker 2: to be pretty lonely over there. You're gonna have a
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Speaker 2: lot of electives with you. But that is the problem
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Speaker 2: for these characters now is the Democratic Party, in terms
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Speaker 2: of the base, there is no real schism, and news
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Speaker 2: media loves to row the schism, the schism and the
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Speaker 2: divide and the Democratic party over Israel. No, the only
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Speaker 2: divide is between the elected leadership, which is completely out
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Speaker 2: of touch and immoral, and the base.
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Speaker 3: The base is over while.
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Speaker 2: We're talking, ninety percent basically have a very similar view
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Speaker 2: on this issue at this point. So I don't think
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Speaker 2: you're going to like the way that cookie crumbles. And
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Speaker 2: that speaks to also the willingness to overlook things that
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Speaker 2: Dari Lisa has said that are certainly, you know, would
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Speaker 2: not pull well with the American public or even probably
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Speaker 2: with Democratic primary voters. But when you're considering a moral
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Speaker 2: landscape that includes people who have run cover for or
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Speaker 2: actively supported the mass murder of babies and children, you
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Speaker 2: look at like an uncouth tweet about the American flag
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Speaker 2: and you're like, so, what you want to preach to
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Speaker 2: me about morality given.
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Speaker 3: What you people have supported.
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Speaker 2: And then of course it's also against the backdrop of
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Speaker 2: Trump and his entire party being completely insane, and the
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Speaker 2: authoritarian crackdowns and the ice invasions, and of course the
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Speaker 2: war with the run bombing Little Girls School continuing to
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Speaker 2: push forward this genocide, you know, this Gaza peace steels
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Speaker 2: complete sham Palasadians continue to be murdered every single day,
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Speaker 2: which you guys have done incredible reporting on. You look
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Speaker 2: at that moral landscape and you're like, you want me
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Speaker 2: to be upset about this tweet that she sent out.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so, right, I'm I'm I think that
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Speaker 2: she has a much more moral position that is closer
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Speaker 2: to my values than these people over here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think that's I think that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to the ladies
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Speaker 2: of the View talking a little bit about this exact
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Speaker 2: topic and specifically tackling you know, Daria Lisa and her views.
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Speaker 3: This is a nine.
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Speaker 10: Let's listen Brett Palestinian and No, there were pro home
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Speaker 10: on October eighth. October eighth, the only thing that had
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Speaker 10: happened is that Israel had been attacked and people had
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Speaker 10: been brutally murdered and raped, and so on October eighth.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there needed to be rallying.
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Speaker 10: An anti semi.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to full blow anti semon. She would proudly
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Speaker 3: call herself that, trust me.
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Speaker 10: And a lot of people talking about mom Donnie and
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Speaker 10: what a terrible Mary he was going to be, and
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Speaker 10: what an anti semi he was and he has proven
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Speaker 10: to be quite the opposite. And he's proven to be
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Speaker 10: a kingmaker, a leader right for this right for.
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Speaker 2: This city, Sarah, and she says that Daria Liza would
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Speaker 2: probably proudly call herself an anti semi. That is absolutely
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Speaker 2: insane and frankly defamatory, and the freak out not just
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Speaker 2: over her, but over you know, Brad Lander, who is
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Speaker 2: himself a Jewish Man but happens to have a much
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Speaker 2: more moral and principle view with regard to Israel, and
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Speaker 2: all these tweets from you know, Megan McCain, Oh my god,
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Speaker 2: Jews aren't saved. To my beautiful Jewish friends, I stand
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Speaker 2: with you.
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Speaker 3: You're not alone.
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Speaker 2: Well, guess what, Lots and lots of New York Jews
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Speaker 2: just voted for Brad Lander, just voted for these other
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Speaker 2: candidates who won have been leaders in the movement against
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Speaker 2: the genocide, our top leaders in Zornmmdani's campaign and in
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Speaker 2: his you know, in his governing apparatus. So you know,
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Speaker 2: talk about woke one point oh, like I think woke
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Speaker 2: two point oh here has gone further than anything we've
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Speaker 2: seen ever in the past.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I think New York ten where brad Lander
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Speaker 5: won is this private as the second biggest Jewish population
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Speaker 5: of any congressional district in the city, and those voters
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Speaker 5: went overwhelmingly for brad Lander. So like, I'm sorry for
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Speaker 5: Dan Goldman, but you you don't like that, That does
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Speaker 5: not that does not mean that like all Jews and
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Speaker 5: New York City are at risk. Here, to say that
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Speaker 5: she is if so facto anti Semitic just for showing
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Speaker 5: up at the October eighth rally just forgets the basic
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Speaker 5: fact that we know now because we know dire Lise's history,
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Speaker 5: that she had been an activist on this issue for
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Speaker 5: a very long time, and she feared and expected that
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Speaker 5: Israel's response, which already had begun on the evening of
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Speaker 5: October seventh, one.
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Speaker 2: Hundreds had already been killed by the time that rally occurred.
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Speaker 5: So but even if that wasn't the case, history had
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Speaker 5: told her, in history being like twenty twenty one, two
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Speaker 5: years earlier, twenty fourteen, two thousand and nine, Like.
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Speaker 4: We're not talking about like ancient history here.
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Speaker 5: History had told her, and the knowledge that it was
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Speaker 5: the most right wing government that Israel had ever had
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Speaker 5: in place, that was in office at the moment and
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Speaker 5: still is in office, that they were going to respond
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Speaker 5: with a Janus sidle feure that was going to shock
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Speaker 5: the world.
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Speaker 4: I had that expectation on October seventh. That was my
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Speaker 4: first thought, was.
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Speaker 5: This, this the state in general, but this government in particular,
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Speaker 5: is going to unleash hell.
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Speaker 4: Yes, as a result of this.
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Speaker 5: And if the argument is that she was correct but
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Speaker 5: too early, I don't think there's anybody out there who's
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Speaker 5: a normal person who's going to say, Okay, well you
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Speaker 5: make a very good point.
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Speaker 4: Yes, she was right, but she was right too early.
18:31
Speaker 3: She was right too quickly. Yeah.
18:34
Speaker 2: No, I mean I remember I remember covering October seventh.
18:37
Speaker 2: I remember the pit in my stomach. I remember all
18:40
Speaker 2: of us internally talking about what sort of hell was
18:43
Speaker 2: going to be unleashed, And you know.
18:45
Speaker 3: It was.
18:46
Speaker 2: It was impossible to wrap your mind around, truly, how
18:50
Speaker 2: just inhumane and disgusting in the siege and all of
18:54
Speaker 2: the entire entirety of gaz Gaza turned to rubble. And
18:58
Speaker 2: so yeah, that she was on October eighth, understanding the history,
19:02
Speaker 2: understanding the political dynamics, understanding what likely was to come.
19:06
Speaker 2: I think that's a point in her favor personally, let
19:09
Speaker 2: me just hit on this note. There were some somewhat
19:12
Speaker 2: surprising defenders against the mass blanket charges of anti semitism.
19:17
Speaker 3: Here.
19:18
Speaker 2: In particular, Joe Scarborough showed up to say, Hey, if
19:21
Speaker 2: you're you want to point to rising anti semitism, I've
19:24
Speaker 2: got an idea of who is to blame. And it's
19:26
Speaker 2: not Zora on Mom Donnie, this is a one. Let's
19:28
Speaker 2: take a listen.
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Speaker 11: I just I just you know, hearing a lot of
19:32
Speaker 11: people say talking about the anti semitism in New York City,
19:36
Speaker 11: and last night proved the anti semitism in New York City.
19:38
Speaker 11: And this is Mom Donnie's fault. This is so and
19:41
Speaker 11: So's fault. It's this is this left No, no, no,
19:43
Speaker 11: it's not. It's it's really if you want to blame
19:46
Speaker 11: anybody for what happened last night, in my opinion, if
19:49
Speaker 11: you want to blame anybody, Jonathan, I think you have
19:52
Speaker 11: to blame Benjamin that Yahoo. Four years of maximalist aims,
19:56
Speaker 11: four years of a historic goals in the MA. Did anybody,
20:02
Speaker 11: anybody from doctor Brazinski to even me, could have told
20:06
Speaker 11: anybody over the past twenty years it's not going to work.
20:10
Speaker 11: And I've said it all along, there's always blowback in
20:12
Speaker 11: the Middle East, idea that you're going to be able
20:15
Speaker 11: to brutalize children and women in Gaza with bombing that
20:20
Speaker 11: looks indiscriminate on TV day in and day out for years,
20:23
Speaker 11: that you're going to be able to level half of Lebanon,
20:26
Speaker 11: that you're going to be able to continue to allow
20:29
Speaker 11: thugs to run wild in the West Bank and brutalizing Palestinians,
20:36
Speaker 11: brutalizing Christians in Bethlehem, brutalizing Christians across that area, along
20:42
Speaker 11: with Palestinian Muslims, especially Palestinian Muslims, blowing up Catholic churches
20:48
Speaker 11: and Gazi I can, of course I'm saying things that
20:52
Speaker 11: would relate to some of these people who were so
20:55
Speaker 11: shocked that Israel Is in such.
20:58
Speaker 4: Low standing in America right now.
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Speaker 11: Forgive me for a quick digression, but I was always
21:04
Speaker 11: instinctively pro Israeli an anti Palestinian growing up. You know why,
21:10
Speaker 11: because when I was a young child, one of my
21:12
Speaker 11: first memories was the seventy two Munich Olympics when Palestinian
21:19
Speaker 11: terrorists killed Israelis and it was shocking, and we saw
21:24
Speaker 11: time and time again terror attacks throughout the seventies that
21:27
Speaker 11: shaped and entire generation's views on that conflict. Well, what's
21:33
Speaker 11: shaping the views now? Images out of Gaza, images out
21:39
Speaker 11: of the West Bank, images out of Lebanon, famine, out
21:44
Speaker 11: of God.
21:46
Speaker 4: And an American president.
21:49
Speaker 11: Who chells not Yahoo go young restraint until his war
21:54
Speaker 11: in Iran goes horribly wrong.
21:56
Speaker 3: What do you think of that?
21:57
Speaker 2: Ryan?
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Speaker 5: I grade on a more generous curve I think than
22:03
Speaker 5: you do.
22:04
Speaker 3: It's so fair.
22:06
Speaker 5: I see that paper from Scarborough. I'm like, incredible progress.
22:10
Speaker 5: This is than like you know, and he I think
22:15
Speaker 5: also from a regular person, you know, the kind of
22:18
Speaker 5: person who's watching one in Joe, that's great for them
22:20
Speaker 5: to hear.
22:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, But go ahead.
22:24
Speaker 5: I think you've got some criticisms of it, which I
22:25
Speaker 5: don't necessarily disagree with.
22:27
Speaker 2: I mean it's obvious, like okay, not no'ahu. Yes, but
22:30
Speaker 2: what about our own political leadership? Like what do you
22:33
Speaker 2: have to say about Joe Biden? Who you you know,
22:35
Speaker 2: he caped for longer than anyone, ohs the best version
22:37
Speaker 2: of Joe Biden when you ever saw blah blah blah.
22:39
Speaker 2: It's just very notworthy in me, and I get very
22:41
Speaker 2: to me. It's such a red flag when anyone tries
22:44
Speaker 2: to pawn all of the destruction and carnage and anti
22:47
Speaker 2: semitism too off on this one individual, who is democratically
22:51
Speaker 2: elected and has been many multiple times, is not some fringe,
22:55
Speaker 2: outlying character in Israeli society. Just go take a listen
22:58
Speaker 2: to his quote unquote opponents to see how much daylight
23:02
Speaker 2: there is between him and them on issues of you know,
23:04
Speaker 2: human rights.
23:05
Speaker 3: There's zero daylight effectively.
23:07
Speaker 2: And then you know our own political leadership class being
23:10
Speaker 2: incredibly not just complicit, but I mean directly involved. So
23:14
Speaker 2: that's my that would be my note on the paper.
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Speaker 4: I guess i'd put that note at the bottom.
23:18
Speaker 5: I put that note at the bottom too, but still
23:20
Speaker 5: give him high marks to encourage him to continue.
23:22
Speaker 4: Doing good work.
23:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got our guest standing by, but just really quickly,
23:25
Speaker 2: I do want to mention put a eleven up on
23:28
Speaker 2: the screen here because this is relatively extraordinary. We've got
23:32
Speaker 2: House Democrat anxiety rising after wins by Mom Donnie back candidates.
23:38
Speaker 2: Are we going to let them take over the party?
23:41
Speaker 2: One battleground Democrat told me they are so concerned about
23:44
Speaker 2: the rise of DSA they are having serious convos with
23:47
Speaker 2: donors about leaving the party all together next term.
23:52
Speaker 3: I would encourage them to go, go.
23:53
Speaker 4: Ahead, good Josh Gotthheimer.
23:55
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, goodbye, Josh Gottheimer, go be a Republican. And
24:00
Speaker 2: this is the problem again, going back to the carvel
24:02
Speaker 2: piece of like, you can make that choice, but you've
24:06
Speaker 2: already really lost. The base of the party is gone.
24:09
Speaker 2: You know, the Jennifer Welsh's of the world are in
24:11
Speaker 2: a very different place today. Your average normy Liberal voter
24:16
Speaker 2: is voting for Grand Platin or not Janet Mills, is
24:18
Speaker 2: voting for Abdullah Siad, not Hailey Stevens. It's a very
24:22
Speaker 2: different dynamic. It's not just New York City. It really
24:25
Speaker 2: is a national reckoning. And Israel is the sort of
24:29
Speaker 2: most potent dividing line because it does take in the
24:33
Speaker 2: DC political context. It shouldn't, but it does take some
24:35
Speaker 2: political courage to stand up and say it's a genocide.
24:38
Speaker 2: I'm not taking the APAC dollars. We need totally different
24:41
Speaker 2: approach to.
24:41
Speaker 3: All of this.
24:42
Speaker 2: We actually do need to put human rights first. But
24:44
Speaker 2: it's a stand in for are you willing to make
24:47
Speaker 2: those hard choices? Are you willing to reflect the will
24:50
Speaker 2: of the people versus the will of the donor class.
24:52
Speaker 2: And obviously that has applicability in all sorts of issues
24:55
Speaker 2: across the board, where the Democratic base and the majority
24:58
Speaker 2: of the American people, by the way, really want to
25:00
Speaker 2: see a different approach, a checking of the all of
25:02
Speaker 2: our class, true accountability for the crimes that were committed
25:06
Speaker 2: by the Trumpet regime and their and their acolytes and
25:09
Speaker 2: so you know, Gaza and calling it a genocide and
25:12
Speaker 2: standing up against it are a touchstone that indicates to
25:17
Speaker 2: voters you are the type of politician that is going
25:20
Speaker 2: to be different than the class that's in Washington today.
25:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we'll be talking to Corey Doctro at the
25:25
Speaker 5: end of the program about AI and what its effect
25:29
Speaker 5: is going to be on the economy and how we
25:31
Speaker 5: should think about that. And I think people would be
25:33
Speaker 5: a lot more scared of the idea of socialism if
25:37
Speaker 5: they weren't completely frightened about where capitalism is planning to
25:41
Speaker 5: take us and is and where capitalist is telling us
25:45
Speaker 5: we're going to go, which is like the complete eradication
25:48
Speaker 5: of jobs. Like that's what they're whether it's true or not,
25:50
Speaker 5: Like that's what they're telling people.
25:52
Speaker 4: Is going to happen.
25:53
Speaker 5: So when you have a group of people who are like, well,
25:55
Speaker 5: we have an alternative vision for society, people are going
25:57
Speaker 5: to Okay, let's hear it.
25:59
Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
25:59
Speaker 2: I mean they're the ones that are out there like
26:01
Speaker 2: we need to totally new social contracts, like okay, well
26:05
Speaker 2: let's get started on that.
26:06
Speaker 3: Then let's start talking about that.
26:08
Speaker 2: And that's how you end up with a situation where
26:10
Speaker 2: this will be a good transition to our guests, where
26:13
Speaker 2: socialism is more popular than capitalism in the Democratic Party.
26:16
Speaker 2: DSA is more popular than Democrats in Congress, and there
26:21
Speaker 2: is just a real reckoning that is unfolding right now
26:24
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party. It is not going to look
26:26
Speaker 2: the same after these midterm elections as it looked before.
26:29
Speaker 5: Indeed, so President Trump was asked about the sweeping DSA
26:37
Speaker 5: Zoramondannie victories in New York City in the Oval Office.
26:41
Speaker 5: It's always fun to hear President Trump talking about the
26:45
Speaker 5: mayor of New York.
26:46
Speaker 4: Let's listen to his reaction. Here, b one great.
26:49
Speaker 5: Night for Democratic Socialist candidates last night and the New
26:53
Speaker 5: York primaries, they swept and knocked out two incumbents.
26:57
Speaker 9: You're from New.
26:58
Speaker 4: York, why do you think it is that now the.
27:00
Speaker 5: Endorsement of Zorn Mamdani means more than the endorsement of
27:05
Speaker 5: Haakim Jefferies.
27:07
Speaker 4: Well, they're going radical left. They're going really you know, you.
27:10
Speaker 7: Talk about the Democrats, socialists, you took, Really, it's really communist.
27:15
Speaker 8: That's these people.
27:16
Speaker 4: I watched that woman last night. That's not a socialist.
27:19
Speaker 4: I know socialists.
27:20
Speaker 7: That's it.
27:21
Speaker 4: That woman is a communist.
27:23
Speaker 7: And you know what they don't say is that I
27:26
Speaker 7: was sixteen and oh last.
27:27
Speaker 4: Night, but mine was a little more boring, a little
27:30
Speaker 4: more mainstream.
27:32
Speaker 7: They were Republican conservatives, but we were sixteen and oh
27:36
Speaker 7: and if you look over the last two and a
27:38
Speaker 7: half years.
27:38
Speaker 4: We're about three hundred and forty seven and just about.
27:41
Speaker 4: Oh that's pretty good. But nobody writes that. But he
27:45
Speaker 4: picked three.
27:47
Speaker 8: They won.
27:48
Speaker 4: They beat a guy named Dan Goldman, who's, you know,
27:50
Speaker 4: a loser.
27:51
Speaker 7: He was one of my prosecutors, one of my many
27:53
Speaker 7: prosecutors that they used on me.
27:55
Speaker 9: Dan Goldman not a good prosecutor fortunately, but he's now
27:59
Speaker 9: looking for a job.
28:01
Speaker 4: I would I was.
28:02
Speaker 9: Very surprised to see, you know, because he's a pretty
28:04
Speaker 9: liberal guy.
28:06
Speaker 4: When they go more liberal than Dan Goldman. They're really
28:10
Speaker 4: at the never never land. We can put up B
28:15
Speaker 4: two here because it really.
28:17
Speaker 5: Was a historic sweep across across the board. Of course,
28:21
Speaker 5: you had the three, you had three races at the
28:25
Speaker 5: at the federal level, if you throw in Brad Lander,
28:27
Speaker 5: which we will, we'll talk about that in a second
28:29
Speaker 5: in a second, as well as a significant number down
28:32
Speaker 5: at the at the state legislative level and and elsewhere.
28:37
Speaker 4: So joining us to kind of break all of.
28:40
Speaker 5: This down are the two co chairs of New York
28:43
Speaker 5: City Democratic Socialists of America, Gustavo Gordillo and Grace Mauser. Grace, Gustavo,
28:50
Speaker 5: thank you so much for being here. Yeah, and I
28:55
Speaker 5: was fortunate enough to get to run into both of
28:57
Speaker 5: you guys on Tuesday night. Grace you were up at
29:00
Speaker 5: the Daria Lisa election night e vent Gustava you were
29:03
Speaker 5: down at Declare Valdez one.
29:07
Speaker 4: Later, Grace wanted to start with you.
29:12
Speaker 5: Donald Trump also later in his comments, continued his romance
29:18
Speaker 5: with Mom Donnie. So, even though he's talking about all
29:23
Speaker 5: of the communists that are taking over here, so he
29:24
Speaker 5: still seems to personally have a lot of affection for Mom. Donnie,
29:29
Speaker 5: what is your what is your response to somebody like
29:32
Speaker 5: Trump though, who says you know, somebody like the golden
29:35
Speaker 5: that's about his leftist New York City ever ought to be?
29:38
Speaker 5: And what is he missing about the city that he
29:40
Speaker 5: grew up in?
29:43
Speaker 6: And I think he's missing how unhappy people are with
29:47
Speaker 6: the state of American politics. You saw over we counted
29:53
Speaker 6: over one hundred and seventy thousand people voted for socialists
29:58
Speaker 6: in New York City on Tuesday night. That is indeed
30:03
Speaker 6: because of our organizing, because we knocked doors, because we
30:06
Speaker 6: mobilize people, but it's also because people are deeply dissatisfied
30:11
Speaker 6: with what's happening in our state and also throughout our country.
30:16
Speaker 6: If people were happy with the war that Trump started
30:20
Speaker 6: and Iran, if they were thrilled that we were busy
30:23
Speaker 6: invading other countries, I think he would be seeing a
30:26
Speaker 6: lot more success. His numbers would be up, his favorability
30:31
Speaker 6: would be up, everyone would be absolutely clamoring for his endorsement.
30:36
Speaker 6: But that's not happening at all because what he's doing
30:40
Speaker 6: is immensely unpopular, and socialism is on the rise. It's
30:45
Speaker 6: getting more and more popular than ever, and that's because
30:48
Speaker 6: we're actually talking about what matters, and more importantly, we're
30:52
Speaker 6: delivering what matters. We're delivering material improvements for working people.
30:57
Speaker 2: So may Or Mum Donnie had a bit of a
30:59
Speaker 2: different view of this week and the victories that you
31:02
Speaker 2: all were able to secure.
31:03
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little
31:04
Speaker 3: bit of what he had to say.
31:05
Speaker 9: What you all have shown this evening, whether for state Assembly,
31:09
Speaker 9: state Senate, or Congress.
31:12
Speaker 12: He's been a year ago. It was not the end
31:15
Speaker 12: of a political movement. It was in the beginning. And
31:23
Speaker 12: let's hear it.
31:23
Speaker 9: For a politics, for a politics that we'll never forget
31:27
Speaker 9: working people, for a politics that is ready to write
31:33
Speaker 9: a new chapter in our party's history, and for a
31:38
Speaker 9: politics that realizes the old politics that got us to
31:42
Speaker 9: this crisis is not the politics that's going to get us.
31:44
Speaker 6: Out of this crisis.
31:48
Speaker 9: It's time for working people to be back at the
31:50
Speaker 9: heart of our politics. These are the champions who will
31:53
Speaker 9: do it.
31:55
Speaker 3: Thank you all, how much Gasavo.
31:57
Speaker 2: I'm curious how much momentum have you all gained from
32:00
Speaker 2: Zoron's victories and then from these victories Tuesday night, how
32:03
Speaker 2: many new members have been added to New York City's
32:06
Speaker 2: DSA chapter.
32:08
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, these have been transformative wins, and when
32:11
Speaker 8: we have these huge victories, they become moments of political
32:15
Speaker 8: awakening for ordinary people. So when we endorsed the mayoral
32:20
Speaker 8: campaign back in twenty twenty four, we were at fifty
32:23
Speaker 8: nine hundred members.
32:26
Speaker 4: Just a couple of weeks ago, we.
32:28
Speaker 8: Were at fourteen thousand members, And in the nights since
32:32
Speaker 8: these victories, we've added I think almost four hundred members
32:36
Speaker 8: or maybe more so we're probably pretty close to fifteen
32:39
Speaker 8: thousand at this point. And you know, we're going to
32:41
Speaker 8: keep welcoming new members, having absorption events, because that's what
32:46
Speaker 8: keeps us going, that's what allows us to grow.
32:48
Speaker 2: And gustavo Ice actually saw a right wing commentator talking
32:51
Speaker 2: about how he thought part of the success of DSA,
32:54
Speaker 2: And obviously it's the values and people agreeing with the
32:56
Speaker 2: messaging that you all are putting out, but also this
32:59
Speaker 2: sense of of community, like we're doing something together. We're
33:02
Speaker 2: not just isolated on our phones like doom scrolling. There's
33:06
Speaker 2: a positive vision that we can enact into the world.
33:08
Speaker 2: I feel like that has been a really central part
33:10
Speaker 2: of Zorn's both his campaign but now his governing style
33:13
Speaker 2: which has made him really broadly appealing.
33:16
Speaker 3: Across the city.
33:18
Speaker 2: How much do you think that that plays into the
33:20
Speaker 2: appeal of DSA and organization like yours in a moment
33:22
Speaker 2: like now.
33:24
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a huge part of our organizing, you know,
33:27
Speaker 8: where we always choke DSA is the answer to the
33:29
Speaker 8: male loneliness epidemic. We focus, of course on electoral campaigns,
33:37
Speaker 8: running candidates, we contest for in the legislature, we try
33:42
Speaker 8: to pass legislation. We work in the labor movement. But
33:46
Speaker 8: when we're doing our new member orientations, we always say
33:49
Speaker 8: that a core arm of what we do is building community.
33:54
Speaker 8: So we've really invested quite a lot of capacity into
33:58
Speaker 8: building social spaces. We have a run club, we have
34:01
Speaker 8: a soccer league, our canvases themselves always have a social afterwards.
34:09
Speaker 8: People make friends that way, you know, for young people
34:13
Speaker 8: it's a pretty DSA is a pretty good way to
34:15
Speaker 8: meet new people in the city.
34:18
Speaker 5: And can you elaborate on that a little bit for
34:21
Speaker 5: people who maybe are outside of the city too, like,
34:24
Speaker 5: because I think it's you joke about it being a
34:28
Speaker 5: cure to male loneliness or female loneliness is a thing too, uh,
34:32
Speaker 5: loneliness is is a thing, and you actually do seem
34:36
Speaker 5: to be doing, you know, very serious work pushing against that,
34:39
Speaker 5: even if that isn't the kind of purpose of it,
34:42
Speaker 5: but the purpose kind of creates that if you're out,
34:46
Speaker 5: if you're somewhere else outside of New York City, if
34:48
Speaker 5: you're in New York City, I guess search up New
34:49
Speaker 5: York City DSA.
34:50
Speaker 4: It's probably easy to plug.
34:51
Speaker 5: Into at this point, But if you're outside of New
34:53
Speaker 5: York you don't have a chapter, Like how hard is
34:56
Speaker 5: it to start a chapter?
34:57
Speaker 4: How hard is it? Like? How how hard is it
34:59
Speaker 4: is it to join one?
35:02
Speaker 8: Sure, at this point we have so many chapters all
35:05
Speaker 8: across the country that there aren't that many parts of
35:08
Speaker 8: the US that are are not served by a DSA chapter,
35:12
Speaker 8: although it is possible to start a new one if
35:15
Speaker 8: you go to DSA USA dot org. But for one
35:20
Speaker 8: of the things that we started to implement a few
35:23
Speaker 8: years ago was standardizing a ds A one oh one format.
35:28
Speaker 8: This is a welcoming kind of orientation for people who
35:32
Speaker 8: are thinking about joining or have already joined and want
35:35
Speaker 8: to know what to do in their chapters. It's something
35:37
Speaker 8: that basically every DSA chapter does now, and we started
35:41
Speaker 8: pioneering it here in New York. And actually one of
35:45
Speaker 8: the very first major events that Zoron Mundani did when
35:51
Speaker 8: he launched his campaign was join us for At the time,
35:55
Speaker 8: to us, it was it seemed like a mega ds
35:57
Speaker 8: A one oh one where we had I think of
35:58
Speaker 8: four hundred people back in the fall of twenty twenty four.
36:03
Speaker 8: And he gave his own story of how he joined
36:08
Speaker 8: DSA and the reason that he did so was because
36:12
Speaker 8: we were the only organization who thought it was possible
36:15
Speaker 8: to run anti Zionist candidates at the local level and
36:19
Speaker 8: actually win. So you know, there are different different ways
36:24
Speaker 8: to plug in all across the country, and we take
36:28
Speaker 8: membership very seriously. We think the members lead the party,
36:32
Speaker 8: not we don't lead from the top down.
36:37
Speaker 3: Grace.
36:37
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on some of the
36:40
Speaker 2: coalition critiques. I guess of who is DSA and who's
36:44
Speaker 2: voting for DSA candidates. There's a bit of a divide
36:47
Speaker 2: that has emerged, you know, from sort of the establishment
36:49
Speaker 2: Democrats and the Republicans. They can't decide whether they want
36:53
Speaker 2: to say DSA is all white people or the problem
36:55
Speaker 2: is DSA is all third world brown people. We can
36:58
Speaker 2: get a flavor of both of these directions from Bachia.
37:01
Speaker 2: Ungarsargen went with the what has been the original critique
37:05
Speaker 2: B five that Daria Liza Chevalier lost the bronx part
37:09
Speaker 2: of the district by thirty points. She also lost predominantly
37:11
Speaker 2: black and Hispanic areas. She lost the lower income areas
37:14
Speaker 2: by ten points. She won with you younger voters and
37:16
Speaker 2: higher income voters and one majority college educated areas.
37:19
Speaker 3: By twenty points.
37:21
Speaker 2: So this is basically the idea that, Okay, sure you
37:24
Speaker 2: can win in the Commy corridor because it's this gentrifying area.
37:27
Speaker 3: You have highly.
37:27
Speaker 2: Educated, young white people that like you, but the coalition
37:30
Speaker 2: doesn't really extend to communities of color. But now we
37:34
Speaker 2: have a new critique that's launched by you know, Stephen
37:37
Speaker 2: Miller certainly said something like this. Matt Walsh and also
37:40
Speaker 2: Jesse Waters on Fox News articulated a version of this,
37:43
Speaker 2: Let's take.
37:43
Speaker 13: A listen, crazy communists to right wing tough guys. Is
37:48
Speaker 13: that how America is supposed to be?
37:49
Speaker 4: Because that's the way it looks.
37:51
Speaker 13: These people don't believe in borders, capitalism, our founding fathers.
37:56
Speaker 13: They're here to steal punish us and then throw around welfare.
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Speaker 13: This is a third world takeover. This is what happens
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Speaker 13: when you import the third world. Did you know that
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Speaker 13: New York City is seventy percent non white, forty percent
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Speaker 13: foreign born, fifty percent.
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Speaker 4: Of the apartments.
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Speaker 3: They don't even speak English, not even their first language.
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Speaker 13: These three women who Mandani endorsed weren't even born in
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Speaker 13: New York City, weren't raised in New York City. They're
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Speaker 13: carpet baggers, carpet baggers, Jessica, And everyone's talking about like.
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Speaker 11: Oh, Mandami, Oh you got all this juice?
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Speaker 13: Like he's this like harmless novice politician on a hot streak.
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Speaker 4: This guy is trouble.
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Speaker 13: This guy is a trojan horse, and communism is going
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Speaker 13: to take over the Democratic Party and then we're gonna
38:49
Speaker 13: have to beat it because you can't can't do anything
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Speaker 13: else besides beat it to a pulp.
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Speaker 2: So, Grace, what is your response to both versions of
38:59
Speaker 2: that critique? A coalition that supports DSA and then supports
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Speaker 2: these candidates.
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Speaker 6: I'll take the more obviously evil and memorial first. The
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Speaker 6: right wing critique about the left and about New York
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Speaker 6: City is just disgusting.
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Speaker 4: It's so it's so silly to.
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Speaker 6: Be so afraid of people who did not grow up
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Speaker 6: the same way you did. Nativism should never be a requirement.
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Speaker 6: We're in a moment where our Supreme Court is considering
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Speaker 6: making non US born citizens fearful over their very rights
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Speaker 6: that have already been granted to them by our government.
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Speaker 6: And DSA unapologetically stands in solidarity with those communities people
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Speaker 6: who came here, you know, many generations ago, but also
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Speaker 6: people who arrived in the United States yesterday. I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's particularly funny hearing that kind of critique coming from
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Speaker 6: a political commentator who can't even say the mayor of
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Speaker 6: New York's name correctly. But Mayor Mom Donnie, as well
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Speaker 6: as many of candidates in DSA, are continuing a great
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Speaker 6: legacy of immigrants who have come to the US to
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Speaker 6: build economic and political future, who have flee prosecution for
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Speaker 6: a number of reasons, who have come to the US
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Speaker 6: for any number of reasons. And New York City as
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Speaker 6: well as America, I would remind mister Waters, does not
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Speaker 6: have a standard language. You're not required to speak English
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Speaker 6: as a first language, and that's what makes us strong.
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Speaker 6: And I think you see that New York City's the powerhouse,
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Speaker 6: the economic and political powerhouse of the country, and that
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Speaker 6: is in large part due to the immigrant cell of here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and New York City is kind of a parting,
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Speaker 5: purely absurd place, I think to level that critique, since
41:03
Speaker 5: it's been a place of immigrants for you know, hundreds
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Speaker 5: of years, whether Irish, Italian, and so on. It's just
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Speaker 5: constantly evolving Greek neighborhoods, et cetera. But I am also
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Speaker 5: curious you guys ended up winning it seems like Harlem,
41:21
Speaker 5: which cuts against this kind of this rudimentary graphic that
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Speaker 5: the New York Times had put out. It does actually
41:29
Speaker 5: seem that with black voters in Harlem, Diarales actually seems
41:33
Speaker 5: to have beaten Espaiad How Like, what do you think
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Speaker 5: it was that her that about her campaign that was able,
41:44
Speaker 5: that was able to do that even though because I
41:46
Speaker 5: think the critique that there are more kind of white
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Speaker 5: activists in DSA than kind of on average, say in Harlem,
41:55
Speaker 5: Like I think that like those numbers are probably true,
41:57
Speaker 5: Yet they were able to win over those voters in Harlem.
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Speaker 5: So like what was able to bridge that divide?
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Speaker 3: A big narrative?
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Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Christan, I'll say, working class
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Speaker 8: people of color in New York cannot afford to live here.
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Speaker 8: Seventy seven percent of Latinos cannot afford the true cost
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Speaker 8: of living for black New Yorkers. The numbers are not
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Speaker 8: far off, and our candidates are speaking to their needs.
42:26
Speaker 8: They're talking about a working class economic agenda that's going
42:29
Speaker 8: to side with the working class over the billionaire class.
42:33
Speaker 8: And we're running against people like Spayot who are trying
42:37
Speaker 8: to actually divide the working class against each other through
42:42
Speaker 8: racist attacks, that Latinos cannot have solidarity with black people,
42:47
Speaker 8: that Haitian is a term that should be a slur, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, New Yorkers.
42:53
Speaker 8: This doesn't like land with New Yorkers. I was actually
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Speaker 8: astonished that when we ran Daria, the racist attacks coming
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Speaker 8: from s Bayot's camp, it was something that they thought
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Speaker 8: could succeed. I think, if anything, it moved voters closer
43:09
Speaker 8: to us. Now, her district is about fifty percent Latino,
43:14
Speaker 8: the electorate is about a third black. There's just no
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Speaker 8: way to win a race in in this district with
43:23
Speaker 8: only a white electorate. I'll also add that in New
43:27
Speaker 8: York City, dsay, first of all, our steering committee is
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Speaker 8: very multiracial. I think it's about forty percent Latino. And
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Speaker 8: where we are growing the fastest is in Upper Manhattan
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Speaker 8: and the Bronx. We've almost tripled in size there. Actually,
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Speaker 8: we probably definitely have tripled in size there by now
43:45
Speaker 8: since the since the Zaran campaign launched and the new
43:50
Speaker 8: members coming in are a pretty multi racial cohort. It's
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Speaker 8: about twenty five percent Latino. It doesn't it doesn't quite
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Speaker 8: look like the rest of das say, And I think
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Speaker 8: that's what happens when you build a mass movement that's
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Speaker 8: actually reaching working class people at scale.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because bottom line is, whether you're a young person
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Speaker 2: in New York City, whether you are a person of
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Speaker 2: color who is a longtime resident, you are all struggling
44:15
Speaker 2: with the same issues of affordability and an out of
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Speaker 2: touch political glass and life just being made very difficult
44:21
Speaker 2: for you on a daily basis. Grace, let me get
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Speaker 2: your response to that as well, but let me add
44:25
Speaker 2: one more piece to it here, because it's not just
44:28
Speaker 2: the right. We had Letitia James, who had something to
44:32
Speaker 2: say about the DSA victories this week as well, guys,
44:35
Speaker 2: put B six up on the screen. She said that
44:38
Speaker 2: it's a wake up call and quote. Obviously there's some
44:41
Speaker 2: hurt feelings tonight, particularly in communities of color.
44:45
Speaker 3: What we have to do is sit.
44:47
Speaker 2: Down and see if we can come to some sort
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Speaker 2: of understanding, which again is hard to square with the
44:54
Speaker 2: incredibly diverse districts that were one with large multi racial
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Speaker 2: coalition here.
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Speaker 6: I have a lot of respect for the Attorney General,
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Speaker 6: and I think we're on the same side on a
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Speaker 6: lot of issues. However, I do think she's part of
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Speaker 6: a misunderstanding of a progressive and establishment political class in
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Speaker 6: New York that believes that leaders are always totally in
45:23
Speaker 6: sync with the electorate and with the people that they represent.
45:28
Speaker 6: In Bedsty, which is a historically and predominantly black neighborhood
45:33
Speaker 6: and area of the city in central Brooklyn, we now
45:36
Speaker 6: have socialists at every level of government except for Congress. Congress,
45:41
Speaker 6: of course, is represented by a minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries.
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Speaker 6: They won a majority of black voters.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't close.
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Speaker 6: We have a strong base of black socialism. We have
45:53
Speaker 6: very strong Latina mostly leaders in DSA. Official positions, these
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Speaker 6: are just critiques that are stale and not reflective of
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Speaker 6: what the electorate actually wants. They yes, believe that demographic
46:12
Speaker 6: representation is very important, but what's more important is that
46:16
Speaker 6: you have a representative who is going to fight for you,
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Speaker 6: who is speaking to your material conditions and boiling things
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Speaker 6: down like this is neither narratively coherent to me, nor
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Speaker 6: is it reflective of what we actually see in the
46:30
Speaker 6: voting patterns from Tuesday night.
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Speaker 5: And last question for me, now that you're going to
46:36
Speaker 5: be sending a non trivial number of socialists down to Washington,
46:41
Speaker 5: depending on what happens in November, you know, the socialist
46:45
Speaker 5: block could make the difference between whether or not Democrats
46:49
Speaker 5: can kind of get over the two eighteen need to
46:52
Speaker 5: not just form a majority but also then kind of
46:54
Speaker 5: elect the speaker. There's obviously been a huge push by
46:58
Speaker 5: some people to just blocking Jeffries from becoming speaker at all.
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Speaker 5: My own read of that is that that's going to
47:04
Speaker 5: be very difficult because no candidate has kind of risen
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Speaker 5: to oppose him. And Pelosi's very inspiring slogan used to
47:11
Speaker 5: be you can't beat somebody with nobody. That was literally
47:14
Speaker 5: what she would run on, and she was correct, you
47:18
Speaker 5: need another name to run against.
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Speaker 4: But in order to.
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Speaker 5: Then to get the rules package approved in order to
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Speaker 5: get the vote across the board, Jeffries will need this
47:27
Speaker 5: block of social support.
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Speaker 4: So that's a moment of leverage where you know, you
47:31
Speaker 4: could ask for anything out and you know whether you
47:34
Speaker 4: get it or not, but you could demand.
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Speaker 5: Things like super packs out of democratic primaries, a pack
47:39
Speaker 5: out of democratic primaries, or policy concessions down the line
47:43
Speaker 5: when it comes to whatever you're asking for, or you
47:46
Speaker 5: do the money, you know, the big money concessions, which
47:49
Speaker 5: then presumably lead to the policy concessions, because if you
47:52
Speaker 5: can take the big money off the board, then they
47:54
Speaker 5: don't have the ability to kind of push back against
47:56
Speaker 5: popular ideas. Is this is New York City starting New
47:59
Speaker 5: York's i do say, is starting to strategize around what
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Speaker 5: to do with this power in Washington as is there
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Speaker 5: anything you can kind of signal where people should start
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Speaker 5: kind of exploring ideas.
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Speaker 8: I think that it's definitely true that Jeffries, if the
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Speaker 8: Democrats take back the House, he's going to have to
48:21
Speaker 8: earn the vote of socialists in Congress. You know, they
48:26
Speaker 8: are there not to be accountable to him, but they're
48:29
Speaker 8: there to be accountable to the communities that have elected him,
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Speaker 8: and I'm not sure that he's totally in sync with
48:36
Speaker 8: the working class in the districts that are electing Democratic Socialists.
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Speaker 8: So I think the demands that you've raised are going
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Speaker 8: to have a lot of purchase. I think among our base,
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Speaker 8: forcing money, big money out of politics, making stigmatizing APAC,
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Speaker 8: making them a non starter within the Democratic Party. I
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Speaker 8: think these are all demands that there's going to be
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Speaker 8: a lot of interest around. We've been so focused on
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Speaker 8: just winning these campaigns. We you know, we don't get
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Speaker 8: ahead of ourselves and starting to think about what the
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Speaker 8: immediate next steps will be for governing. But that's what
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Speaker 8: we're starting to do now. We're going to be meeting,
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Speaker 8: setting up, you know, increasing our Federal Socialists and Office Committee.
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Speaker 8: That's the body that we use to coordinate with our
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Speaker 8: elected officials in DSA, and I think this will be
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Speaker 8: one of the top questions if we do end up having,
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Speaker 8: you know, a powerful block like that.
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Speaker 2: Last week for me, Grace, so we we played in
49:39
Speaker 2: our last block, James Carvill kind of melting down and
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Speaker 2: saying there should be a schism in the Democratic Party
49:44
Speaker 2: that people like Daria Liza, they're they're not in the
49:46
Speaker 2: same party as him. You had Jamie Harrison say these
49:49
Speaker 2: type of candidates should not be Democrats, should not run
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Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party. You've got all kinds of articles
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Speaker 2: and axios and wherever about how freaked out establishment Democrats
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Speaker 2: are in the House. One apparently said they're even bloring
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Speaker 2: switching to the Republican Party.
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Speaker 3: You have sort of struck fear in their hearts. Are
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Speaker 3: they right to be afraid?
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Speaker 4: Not?
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Speaker 6: If they start doing stuff that we think.
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Speaker 4: Too, everything will work.
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Speaker 6: The reason that the Democrats have become weaker and lost
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Speaker 6: ground not only to the Republicans but to us as
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Speaker 6: democratic socialists, is because they have failed not just since
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Speaker 6: Trump took office in twenty twenty five for the second time,
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Speaker 6: but for years, and not just since Trump took office
50:33
Speaker 6: for the first time either. They have failed for decades
50:37
Speaker 6: to actually fight for material changes for working people. And
50:42
Speaker 6: voters notice that they notice when you say something and
50:45
Speaker 6: then you do nothing to make it in actuality. They
50:49
Speaker 6: notice when you label someone a fascist and you complain
50:53
Speaker 6: loudly in the press about them, but you actually don't
50:56
Speaker 6: fight to get them out of office. To fight as
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Speaker 6: hard as you can for the people, the immigrants, the
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Speaker 6: trans people, the children and women that they're throwing under
51:08
Speaker 6: the bus. Everyone notices that. And if they're losing ground
51:12
Speaker 6: because of that, they should think about why that is.
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Speaker 6: They should think about what they are doing and more importantly,
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Speaker 6: what they are failing to do. That is making voters
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Speaker 6: change their minds, vote for democratic socialists and then worst
51:25
Speaker 6: case sometimes turned to Repubicans and people who are running
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Speaker 6: on fascist platforms because Democrats have failed to do anything well.
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Speaker 2: Grace and Castalvo, great to have you both, Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much. Congratulations on some massive victories this week.
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Speaker 3: Thank you great to be here, our pleasure.
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Speaker 5: And last note for the audience, the nightmare for the
51:44
Speaker 5: party isn't over. The DSA has back the candidate may
51:48
Speaker 5: let Kiros in Colorado who is up on Tuesday. Corey
51:52
Speaker 5: Bush is up October fourth, August fourth. She's running to
51:56
Speaker 5: come back into office after APEX spent many millions to alstar.
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Speaker 5: I noticed that the prediction markets are now quite panicked
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Speaker 5: that that Bush, despite having not a whole lot of
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Speaker 5: money behind her, has a very good chance now of
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Speaker 5: coming back to Congress.
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Speaker 4: Because there's these.
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Speaker 5: These like these forecasters are seeing the energy that's on
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Speaker 5: the ground there so that these are a couple, couple
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Speaker 5: more to watch. This block could continue to grow, but
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Speaker 5: you know, thank you both so much for joining us.