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The Mist and The Fog with Kayte Terry and Cars and Comrades · Left of the Projector

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  Evan: I will not make that mistake again.
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  Kayt: Yeah, I mean, you always catch good stuff at the beginning, too.
• 0:04
  Kayt: People are very wild at the beginning of a conversation.
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  Brandon: On our show, we've been doing it for almost four years, and we have just finally
• 0:13
  Brandon: found our groove for recording.
• 0:15
  Kayt: Yeah, I get it. I've only been doing Fangs for two years and Tender Subject
• 0:21
  Kayt: for a year, and it's constantly shifting.
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  Evan: Yeah, I honestly go through times where I feel like Like I things are all every
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  Evan: every possible technical thing that I thought I had worked out as well.
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  Brandon: Yeah, we all record our audio separately on Audacity and that's it.
• 0:38
  Brandon: We submit it to the Google Drive and it's so much smoother than every other
• 0:42
  Brandon: fucking thing we've done.
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  Brandon: Unless we have a guest who doesn't have that capability that we have to.
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  Kayt: Yeah, fuckery, but or just like forgets, which is a thing.
• 0:51
  Evan: I thought you use Discord to record now.
• 0:54
  Brandon: No, that who that was whoever else we would record with. We use a handful of
• 0:58
  Brandon: different apps and whatever, and then they all start trying to charge us money.
• 1:02
  Kayt: Yeah, I use Zencastr, and they charge us money.
• 1:05
  Brandon: We used Zencastr for a long time, and things went more or less well,
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  Brandon: and then they started charging money.
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  Brandon: And I don't know, it wasn't much, but for some reason, none of us would pay it.
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  Kayt: Well, we applied to do ads for Zencastr, and we were like, oh, they accepted us.
• 1:24
  Kayt: So far, all we've done is like...
• 1:27
  Kayt: sex toy ad which i'm happy thrilled to do you know like i didn't want to have
• 1:32
  Kayt: to talk about um like online therapy or something like that because that's awful so.
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  Brandon: Mattresses and socks.
• 1:41
  Kayt: Yeah i mean even a mattress i'd rather do like online therapy is like actually
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  Kayt: harmful so i'd rather not do that yeah.
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  Brandon: I've not heard anything good about it but i've not heard anything actively harmful about it it just.
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  Kayt: Yeah i.
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  Brandon: Don't know if there's one thing i can think of that you don't necessarily want
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  Brandon: to depersonalize it's therapy.
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  Kayt: For real well.
• 2:02
  Evan: Like you see like a different person each time is that how it.
• 2:04
  Kayt: Works no it's just i think i've i've just heard a bunch of things where i mean
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  Kayt: it's the same as like anyone who is on a budget with a doctor you know you're
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  Kayt: just seeing kind of the worst and like people who are i guess that's not fair it's not
• 2:21
  Kayt: the worst like the actual providers aren't fine I think it's just that like
• 2:25
  Kayt: they're overloaded and you know don't maybe don't get to form a commitment to
• 2:31
  Kayt: you in the same way but also.
• 2:33
  Brandon: It's a way to take advantage of providers because they do overwork them and underpay them.
• 2:38
  Kayt: Yeah for sure.
• 2:56
  Evan: I guess you both have, you both have podcasts. You only have,
• 2:59
  Evan: Brandon, did you ever start your other podcast or no, not yet?
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  Brandon: No, I'm busy. We barely have time to record.
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  Evan: Fair enough. Well, I won't mention it then, even though I don't know what it
• 3:09
  Evan: was called. You know, maybe you don't even have a name. Do you have a name for it?
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  Brandon: I was always kind of calling it Red Channels, but.
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  Evan: That's right. You did say that.
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  Brandon: Because Red Channels was like an industry magazine that was specifically intended
• 3:21
  Brandon: to out communists and shit.
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  Evan: All right. right well thank you both for being here today to discuss the fog
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  Evan: and the mist both films with two words that start with the i.
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  Brandon: Don't know how to compare the two because i would describe a fog as sort of
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  Brandon: a miss and i would describe a mist as sort of fog yeah and they.
• 3:40
  Evan: Kind of talk.
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  Kayt: About that isn't that in the mist so they're like is that a fog is it a mist yes.
• 3:46
  Evan: Yes they do like Like when he's first on the lake.
• 3:49
  Kayt: Yes, that's right. Yeah.
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  Evan: Before we jump into the double feature we have this week, I thought I'd let
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  Evan: you both introduce yourselves. And I know you both have podcasts of your own
• 4:01
  Evan: and perhaps multiple podcasts in your case.
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  Evan: So, yeah. So I want to pick whichever one of you wants to go first.
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  Kayt: I can go. I'm Kate. I have two podcasts. One is a Buffy the Vampire Slayer rewatch podcast.
• 4:18
  Kayt: We are on season six. We just finished Once More Was Feeling,
• 4:23
  Kayt: which is the episode everyone's always waiting for.
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  Kayt: And the other podcast I have is Tender Subject, which is a cannibalism and body horror podcast.
• 4:39
  Kayt: That one's a little bit more... Fangs is silly. tender subject is much more
• 4:44
  Kayt: into discourse and theory and we talk about like art books um film but we get silly too.
• 4:52
  Evan: But yeah thanks for uh for coming on and brandon you've been on the show before
• 4:56
  Evan: but you can remind everyone your your podcast about cars yeah i'm and comrades i'm the resident.
• 5:02
  Brandon: Dumb guy from uh cars and comrades where we talk about cars and our comrades
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  Brandon: yeah Yeah, we're trying to have a somewhat inclusive leftist space for people
• 5:13
  Brandon: who are interested in the car hobby.
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  Brandon: We talk about labor history, car stuff, news, whatever.
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  Brandon: Some days we just ramble.
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  Evan: That's okay. That's okay. I'd say I learned more about cars than I had ever known before.
• 5:26
  Evan: Ever. Until I've listened to your podcast. Parts of Cars I didn't know existed, but that's cool.
• 5:33
  Brandon: I think everyone's go-to word for Cars is carburetors, and Cars don't even have those anymore.
• 5:38
  Kayt: Oh, shit.
• 5:39
  Evan: Just learned. Well, I guess I learned something new about Cars on this podcast.
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  Evan: But Kate, when I reached out, I had sent you a list of films, which I do for guests.
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  Evan: And I had the mist fog as a double feature because they kind of seem i guess
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  Evan: we'll find out how similar or how they fit together but i guess what what made
• 6:00
  Evan: you choose them and you know do you have a um i don't know a memory of the of
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  Evan: those of them or i don't know anything that uh that made you pick the mist and the fog.
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  Kayt: Yeah um well i'm a big horror buff
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  Kayt: and i love john carpenter especially and i
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  Kayt: saw the fog at a at
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  Kayt: salem uh film festival a
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  Kayt: couple years ago on the big screen which was really cool um so my experience
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  Kayt: of it i think was just you know necessarily bigger and more exciting than like
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  Kayt: a lot of the times when we watch older movies because it was on the big screen
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  Kayt: and it was like Like at midnight,
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  Kayt: it just felt like the memory is very nice.
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  Kayt: And then The Mist I actually just saw recently.
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  Kayt: And I thought was, for a minute, I thought it was a John Carpenter movie.
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  Kayt: Obviously, it's not. It's based on a Stephen King book.
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  Kayt: But I thought the idea of the two together, it's like the horror of formlessness
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  Kayt: and the atmosphere. fear that uh is very appealing i can.
• 7:12
  Brandon: Tell from that sentence that i am out of my league.
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  Kayt: Oh boy it's gonna get worse no,
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  Kayt: yeah i'm a giant nerd um i get really excited talking about horror because i
• 7:28
  Kayt: feel like it uh it's it like forces you to look at,
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  Kayt: at things like you can't you can't turn away and you can't ignore and like that's
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  Kayt: a big part of the fog i think.
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  Evan: Yeah i agree with that and i know for you brandon you didn't you didn't technically
• 7:45
  Evan: get to choose this but i know from we've done the thing and we did we do another
• 7:49
  Evan: john carpenter no just that yeah this is only i think the.
• 7:52
  Brandon: Second time we've recorded together but i really really.
• 7:54
  Evan: No we also no no we did escape from uh escape from la oh.
• 7:58
  Brandon: I forgot about that.
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  Evan: So also carpenter So this is the third one.
• 8:01
  Brandon: Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that
• 8:03
  Brandon: I was strictly resigned to doing John Carpenter movies, but I accept it.
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  Evan: Yes, yes. Well, I mean, did you have like, was this even like in the top of
• 8:12
  Evan: your, I was trying to like think in my head because I'm also a huge John Carpenter fan.
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  Evan: I wouldn't even say this is in my top five. He just has a lot of great ones,
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  Evan: but it was sort of maybe like a forgotten one sometimes.
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  Evan: So I don't know if you've like always liked that one too.
• 8:27
  Evan: It came to me later. i think i saw it maybe for the first time four or five years ago.
• 8:31
  Brandon: I mean if you remember i kind of got excited when you said that you were going
• 8:33
  Brandon: to do the mist because uh at that point i didn't
• 8:36
  Brandon: realize that you were doing a double feature so yeah
• 8:39
  Brandon: the fog's not one of my my john carpenter all-time greats
• 8:43
  Brandon: um i mean i think i probably have the usual all-time greats except i also really
• 8:47
  Brandon: like prince of darkness um which all my friends love to hate on so i don't know
• 8:51
  Brandon: where people stand but uh i i stand by loving them i remember seeing the mist
• 8:57
  Brandon: when it was maybe I didn't see it in theaters, but it was like maybe a year old.
• 9:00
  Brandon: And as I told you, my friends made me watch it on DVD, the black and white version,
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  Brandon: which is the only way to watch this movie. Like,
• 9:08
  Brandon: right up front that's the fuck because the cgi is the weak point of this movie
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  Brandon: it really is and dude when you put it the black and white it really like tones
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  Brandon: down how bad the cgi is and it's a different fucking movie it's so much better
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  Brandon: it really lets like the horror elements shine because you're not distracted
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  Brandon: by like bad cgi bullshit yeah.
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  Kayt: In my brain somehow i i decided that the mist was all practical effects and
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  Kayt: then when i watched it again this week i was very disappointed in myself that
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  Kayt: I had, I had like somehow subbed that in.
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  Evan: Well, they did use a lot of them more than probably most movies did in the early
• 9:48
  Evan: two. Well, I guess not even early 2007.
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  Evan: But there are Yeah, I mean, the special effects, I would agree with you,
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  Evan: Brandon, I had never didn't know there was a black and white one until you told me.
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  Evan: And I thought, Okay, well, if I'm gonna watch it, I can't find it anywhere.
• 10:00
  Evan: So I bought the the blu ray and watch the bunch of the special features,
• 10:04
  Evan: which were also pretty fun but the black and white one was definitely a slightly
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  Evan: different uh definitely a different vibe and gives it more of that sort of i
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  Evan: don't know lovecraftian kind of mysterious kind of movie than it is in it's
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  Evan: you know the way it was intended but either either way i think it's still it's
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  Evan: still uh you know solid and for.
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  Brandon: Anyone not in the know it's the exact same movie it's just black and white but
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  Brandon: it feels like it changes the tone a lot.
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  Evan: Yeah i would say that's probably true um
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  Evan: yeah i mean i was
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  Evan: i was i think i put on my little notes i was gonna brandon you
• 10:39
  Evan: may not have done i didn't used to do this like a little icebreaker but i've
• 10:42
  Evan: maybe we'll do it uh slightly different i had wrote down normally like you know
• 10:46
  Evan: what's your if you could have you know dinner or something with a an actor living
• 10:49
  Evan: or dead who would it be but i'm gonna instead put you both on the spot on your
• 10:53
  Evan: uh not in order but what you would say is your top carpenter film just because
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  Evan: you were talking about it brandon and now i feel like i've got to know Oh.
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  Brandon: That's almost cheating because it's the thing.
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  Kayt: Yeah, mine is also the thing as number one.
• 11:07
  Brandon: It's because it's not just my favorite John Carpenter movie. It's my favorite movie.
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  Evan: I would concur with that. And then like beyond that, like to the next couple
• 11:18
  Evan: kind of could be, you know, ask me on a different day, escape from New York,
• 11:22
  Evan: sold on pre-613, they live. I mean, all those others, Halloween.
• 11:27
  Evan: It's kind of a toss up. What about Mouth of Madness? That's another one I actually just.
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  Kayt: I like that one.
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  Evan: That's another good one.
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  Brandon: I rewatched that one.
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  Evan: It's also, I feel like one of the forgotten one a little bit.
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  Evan: it yeah i think the only the only one i would say probably most people wouldn't
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  Evan: pick up near the top is probably vampires which isn't my favorite but i.
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  Brandon: Mean again i wouldn't put prince of darkness up towards the top but i still
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  Brandon: feel like it's it's underrated and i really like it i.
• 11:51
  Evan: Haven't seen it in a long time i probably do to yeah to re-watch it again um.
• 11:55
  Brandon: I think i'm trying to remember who's in it is it alice cooper that's in it there's
• 11:58
  Brandon: like some like uh like music like musician or somebody that's like one of the
• 12:02
  Brandon: like homeless people like shambling about outside and i just always appreciate that one.
• 12:06
  Evan: Of the guys who's in it is also in big trouble little china i think maybe i misremember.
• 12:10
  Brandon: Yeah i think uh jack burton's uh buddy that brings him into like the folds in
• 12:15
  Brandon: chinatown is i think he's in prince of darkness too yes that's that's yeah it's
• 12:19
  Brandon: pretty obvious that john carpenter has a certain set of actors he really likes
• 12:23
  Brandon: working with and goes back to them when possible i.
• 12:26
  Evan: Guess everyone can come in agreement that the thing is the best john carpenter
• 12:30
  Evan: john carpenter film i feel uh i feel like i don't need to there's no no arguments
• 12:34
  Evan: need to commence over that.
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  Evan: But I guess when I think of these as, I mean, you already kind of alluded to
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  Evan: it, Kate, the kind of the way that the mist and the fog kind of come together
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  Evan: as, you know, a good double feature.
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  Evan: I mean, I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of these two going together,
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  Evan: but do either of you see like any connection beyond just kind of the,
• 12:57
  Evan: I guess, kind of the unknown you see, you know, as you said,
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  Evan: in the mist, they refer to it as a fog, you know, in the fog,
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  Evan: they could have referred to it as a mist.
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  Evan: You know, they're just kind of weather terms if you, you know, get to it.
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  Evan: So I don't know what you think of them as kind of like any kind of connection of beyond that.
• 13:14
  Brandon: I'm gonna leave this to smart movie person.
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  Kayt: Uh i mean there's
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  Kayt: the aspects of religion i think that
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  Kayt: are a big part of it um you know
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  Kayt: in in the fog it's like
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  Kayt: the myth sort of is like retribution you
• 13:34
  Kayt: know so there's like a lot of i guess there's a lot of um
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  Kayt: themes of like penance and
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  Kayt: sinning and like you know you sort
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  Kayt: of you get what's coming to you um in
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  Kayt: the mist obviously that's like one character who's
• 13:51
  Kayt: kind of like turning everyone into you know who's like has develops this like
• 13:56
  Kayt: cult-like following but um in the fog it's like the whole town owes a debt you
• 14:02
  Kayt: know and the the priest is sort of the the only one who wants to talk about it and.
• 14:09
  Evan: Really and only because and almost only by accident.
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  Kayt: Right He finds the little.
• 14:13
  Evan: The diary and other than like, because of the store, like, I guess it's almost,
• 14:16
  Evan: you could say that the, him finding the, uh, the little diary from his grandfather
• 14:21
  Evan: was inevitable because it was the anniversary and it created the little,
• 14:25
  Evan: I don't know, like the little, uh,
• 14:26
  Evan: earthquake or I don't know what you, something like that little storm causes
• 14:30
  Evan: a little, uh, the little diary to come loose.
• 14:33
  Evan: And then he, you know, the, uh, cause I think it was, was it supposed to be the one hundred year?
• 14:37
  Kayt: Yeah, it's their, it's their like celebration. Celebration. So they're like,
• 14:41
  Kayt: yeah, celebrating a town that would not exist without the massacre that occurred 100 years ago.
• 14:50
  Kayt: And like, yeah, they're just sort of like...
• 14:54
  Kayt: We can't talk about this right now. Like, we have a celebration.
• 14:57
  Kayt: People are excited. The town was built on this.
• 15:02
  Evan: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the celebration of really like any American
• 15:05
  Evan: patriotic type holiday, right?
• 15:08
  Evan: Like, just you could, well, July 4th or, I don't know, I guess that's really the birthday one.
• 15:15
  Evan: But any of those is just celebrating the massacre of someone.
• 15:21
  Evan: In this case, it was a little bit different, which actually we'll get to,
• 15:24
  Evan: which I think I'm curious how you look at the group that was coming in to settle,
• 15:29
  Evan: you know, that was massacred by the local town.
• 15:33
  Evan: but the one thing I was going to mention just about I only learned this I think earlier today,
• 15:38
  Evan: is that the the fog apparently was
• 15:42
  Evan: like conceived by Debra Hill which I guess was John Carpenter's I don't know
• 15:46
  Evan: if they were married girlfriend I think at the time they had gone to Stonehenge
• 15:50
  Evan: and as just as a an aside I just came back from England and went to Stonehenge
• 15:54
  Evan: and then learned this the next day is that apparently they gain inspiration
• 15:58
  Evan: for the movie because of a fog that That covered the area.
• 16:02
  Evan: And if you've ever been to England, you know that it's always rainy and cold and foggy.
• 16:07
  Evan: So apparently they used that and some other stories in a couple other movies from British history.
• 16:14
  Evan: I think from the 50s. I'm blanking on the name of the movie now.
• 16:17
  Evan: And so that was kind of their inspiration for it.
• 16:20
  Evan: But when I was watching it, and this is my...
• 16:25
  Evan: I don't know, my theory on the movie in some way or as a metaphor.
• 16:28
  Evan: Because I took it as like a metaphor for imperialism, where you see this,
• 16:32
  Evan: you know, this town that is intentionally shipwrecking this other group,
• 16:37
  Evan: which was trying to set up a leper colony potentially to, you know,
• 16:40
  Evan: help people. They had lots of gold.
• 16:42
  Evan: And clearly they were also, you know, we don't really know anything about where
• 16:46
  Evan: they came from, except that they had this gold and that was then stolen by the
• 16:51
  Evan: town to, to build their own town.
• 16:54
  Evan: So not much different than you could say any colony of Britain or any of these
• 17:01
  Evan: other places going into Africa, stealing their gold and their resources,
• 17:05
  Evan: then using it to build their own wealth.
• 17:07
  Evan: So that was kind of like, I don't necessarily think that John Carpenter was
• 17:11
  Evan: going for that there, but that was kind of my take on it. So I don't know.
• 17:14
  Brandon: I noticed how both movies had themes of weather.
• 17:19
  Kayt: You know, mist, fog, fog fog mist.
• 17:23
  Brandon: Oh i totally missed that oh no,
• 17:31
  Brandon: i almost.
• 17:32
  Evan: Spit out my water there you you took you did that at the perfect time.
• 17:35
  Brandon: Yeah uh i i did intentionally say a dumb thing i just uh i i'm not gonna get
• 17:41
  Brandon: as analytical i i uh i just was gonna say that like it's a weather phenomenon
• 17:46
  Brandon: that's a trope in every horror movie for ever uh I feel like it's probably less abused now,
• 17:51
  Brandon: but like, man, in the 50s and 60s, that was every black and white movie.
• 17:55
  Brandon: I feel like it was just something coming out of the mist, out of the fog,
• 17:59
  Brandon: whatever, what have you.
• 18:00
  Brandon: So I was just going to comment that they're both really exceptional movies that
• 18:03
  Brandon: like really called out the trope and then went beyond it.
• 18:06
  Brandon: Because yeah, Creatures in the Mist is as old as horror.
• 18:09
  Kayt: It's a great ghost story. And like the fact that it opens with a Poe quote,
• 18:13
  Kayt: I think is like a good, and also like the first scene is just like telling a
• 18:17
  Kayt: ghost story around a campfire.
• 18:19
  Kayt: You know, it's like, that's such a classic.
• 18:23
  Kayt: set up and like it does deliver it's a creepy spooky fun movie like it's not
• 18:30
  Kayt: super scary but i think it's it's a nice.
• 18:34
  Brandon: Well i mean i follow the story the the
• 18:37
  Brandon: mist takes it in a different direction because it's cosmic horror
• 18:40
  Brandon: and it's pervasive in the
• 18:43
  Brandon: whole movie but that's like yes it's not what the movie's about
• 18:46
  Brandon: like the horror element is like sure there's tentacle monsters
• 18:49
  Brandon: outside that are gonna like murder you if you try and explore but
• 18:52
  Brandon: what the fuck's that lady planning because i
• 18:56
  Brandon: mean she certainly doesn't know um actually i
• 18:59
  Brandon: i wish that i was i could remember where i found it but i i came
• 19:01
  Brandon: across a video where somebody did like their 20 minute long theory on why the
• 19:05
  Brandon: lady was actually correct um not just like correct in her assessment of the
• 19:11
  Brandon: situation but like that that she was like somehow dialed in to uh the cosmic
• 19:16
  Brandon: horror aspect of it and was just calling it correctly um i don't think that's that off base.
• 19:21
  Kayt: For the mist.
• 19:22
  Brandon: Yeah yeah no i don't think it's it's it's off base it's just it wasn't it's
• 19:27
  Brandon: it's not especially well developed enough i think that you can really like well
• 19:30
  Brandon: i'm sure either of you could i i can't um no i just i just thought it was in
• 19:36
  Brandon: a like took a relatively ordinary run-of-the-mill setting and made it something much bigger well.
• 19:41
  Evan: To the point about like the about the fog being you know a a really good ghost story.
• 19:45
  Evan: I mean, it had, I mean, I, I'm trying to think of other, I don't,
• 19:49
  Evan: at least in that time period, which the movie came out in 1980,
• 19:52
  Evan: which is also coincidentally the same year that the missed book was written by Stephen King.
• 19:57
  Evan: I don't, I couldn't find anything that there was any, since they came out around
• 20:00
  Evan: the same time, there wasn't probably any influence either, you know,
• 20:04
  Evan: from Stephen King writing his book.
• 20:06
  Evan: But the, um, oh, I was gonna say the, like the ghost story thing.
• 20:09
  Evan: Like, I think it's a perfect, as you said, Kate, it's a perfect setup.
• 20:14
  Evan: and it's, you know, the...
• 20:17
  Evan: I wouldn't say it's a perfect movie. It's not maybe my favorite John Carpenter
• 20:20
  Evan: movie, but I like all of the aspects of the kind of the, the,
• 20:24
  Evan: the world built the world that he builds of this town and kind of the, the cool nature of the,
• 20:29
  Evan: you know, the ship and they're going out and I don't know, it,
• 20:32
  Evan: all of it is, it's all very John Carpenter-y.
• 20:36
  Evan: That's if, if it could be a thing, it all feels very on kind of his,
• 20:41
  Evan: you know, if you watch the movie and didn't know it was a John Carpenter film,
• 20:45
  Evan: I think it'll be pretty clear aside from the music and the way he builds the
• 20:50
  Evan: kind of the tension in the boat when they're finally,
• 20:54
  Evan: when one of the group that was drinking with their buddies gets killed by the
• 20:58
  Evan: first victims of the fog.
• 21:01
  Evan: The fog? I'm going to say the wrong weather thing here.
• 21:05
  Kayt: But yeah, I think it's- Yeah, right, yeah.
• 21:07
  Brandon: Killed by the drizzle.
• 21:09
  Evan: Killed by the drizzle. The drizzle of the fog. Yeah, there was no...
• 21:13
  Evan: Well, we'll get more to the mist, I guess, in a little bit. I mean,
• 21:17
  Evan: I guess we're kind of talking about both of them.
• 21:18
  Evan: But there was another thing I was going to mention about the fog,
• 21:22
  Evan: and now I forgot what it was.
• 21:24
  Evan: But yeah, I'm just sticking to the... Well, maybe this is purely speculative,
• 21:29
  Evan: but what do you think the gold and all of the things that Blake,
• 21:34
  Evan: I guess, is the person that they...
• 21:35
  Evan: Was the head of the crew that they killed that was trying to make this leper colony.
• 21:41
  Evan: My theory would fall apart if they had gotten that gold from the Global South
• 21:46
  Evan: themselves, and then they were also equally terrible, perhaps still didn't deserve to get murdered.
• 21:53
  Evan: But I don't know. What do you think?
• 21:55
  Evan: Their backstory that we have no information about.
• 21:59
  Kayt: Out um i mean i i i don't know
• 22:03
  Kayt: if john carpenter had this in mind um
• 22:06
  Kayt: but uh sorry
• 22:10
  Kayt: i'm gonna get real heady um so
• 22:13
  Kayt: foucault wrote a lot about lepers and
• 22:17
  Kayt: like you know quote unquote madmen um and
• 22:21
  Kayt: like the exclusion of the
• 22:26
  Kayt: leper or the madman um
• 22:30
  Kayt: is like central to the spiritual spiritual
• 22:33
  Kayt: reintegration of the community so like civilization the way we think of it like
• 22:43
  Kayt: western terms is grounded in like the exclusion of something that we consider to be like unruly.
• 22:52
  Kayt: So I think like, you know, Blake was a, was a really wealthy man,
• 22:58
  Kayt: but he was a leper and like had this colony of lepers. And I think the, the.
• 23:07
  Kayt: Town was like sort of horrified by the
• 23:10
  Kayt: idea of like walking around and seeing lepers walk around
• 23:13
  Kayt: with them you know and and they were like we can't have like a nice seaside
• 23:18
  Kayt: town with these people just like wandering around that's disgusting and unruly
• 23:25
  Kayt: and you know so i think like um whatever Whatever the other is that we've decided is scary,
• 23:31
  Kayt: that's like the antithesis of like having a civilized society.
• 23:42
  Kayt: And this town was like sort of hell-bent on becoming that, you know?
• 23:47
  Evan: You could substitute leper for, you know, a, I don't know, you know, now I'm having a...
• 23:56
  Evan: yeah you say just whatever the the the
• 23:59
  Evan: actual town just wanted it's i'm
• 24:03
  Evan: mumbling uh like it could have just been they could have it's whoever
• 24:06
  Evan: they wanted to oppress essentially anyone who was trying to come in and and
• 24:09
  Evan: doing you know good for the people in their community and they're saying well
• 24:12
  Evan: no no no how are we going to get tourists to come in here and uh you know go
• 24:17
  Evan: surfing or i don't know what they do in this town go boating if there's lepers
• 24:22
  Evan: walking around you're going to of ruin our shit.
• 24:25
  Kayt: It's like the state of California has decided that homeless people can't exist in it.
• 24:30
  Kayt: You know, and like, where do you and the only solution is to just keep pushing
• 24:35
  Kayt: them around and like trying to disappear people rather than like what the, you know,
• 24:43
  Kayt: moral, humane thing would be to just like give people places to live.
• 24:48
  Evan: Yeah, and then on the other side, you wonder it makes me think that the,
• 24:51
  Evan: actual town um that's there already what is it um what's the name of the town i'm like something.
• 24:58
  Kayt: Bay antonio bay.
• 25:00
  Evan: Antonio bay right so i it seems based on the like the priest in this you know
• 25:05
  Evan: very nice kind of uh placey the nice church it seems like their their colony
• 25:10
  Evan: or their town was built probably on you know converting people to christianity
• 25:16
  Evan: and presumably or probably doing it,
• 25:19
  Evan: exploitatively so even so this this this kind of makes me now think that there's
• 25:23
  Evan: no redeeming qualities obviously about the people who built the town and that
• 25:27
  Evan: it makes me kind of have you have sympathy now for blake you know maybe they
• 25:31
  Evan: got the gold who knows how he acquired his wealth but at least he's trying to
• 25:34
  Evan: do good in this time so you know they deserve to uh get fogged.
• 25:39
  Kayt: Fogged buddy you've been fogged.
• 25:43
  Evan: Been fogged yes well yeah the like the way that they built the ghost too I thought
• 25:47
  Evan: was pretty cool with them you know they knock on the door like oh you know should
• 25:52
  Evan: we let them in you know yeah all the like kill scenes I thought were pretty
• 25:56
  Evan: cool and the kind of returning to,
• 25:59
  Evan: life too it's you know going after you know this town's 100 years old it's in
• 26:03
  Evan: I guess do they say it's on the coast of California so you know these people
• 26:07
  Evan: have been living there for 100 years and their family still live there and they're
• 26:11
  Evan: going to come back for their revenge so you know maybe someone should fog some
• 26:14
  Evan: of the other people who built to america right there's.
• 26:19
  Kayt: Something really interesting too about how it like uh the fog like turns off
• 26:24
  Kayt: all the lights and also like electricity and like kind of grinds everything
• 26:28
  Kayt: to a halt like everything just stops.
• 26:30
  Evan: Yeah i.
• 26:32
  Kayt: Was like trying to work on some sort of like anti-work theory and i was like
• 26:37
  Kayt: i'm not getting there but like not this time but but that's interesting like
• 26:42
  Kayt: i guess it's kind of like um grinding like normal life to a halt you know like
• 26:48
  Kayt: people can't continue to do their like regular town stuff.
• 26:51
  Evan: But what's funny is that they still try to right like
• 26:54
  Evan: the little like the little ceremony is still going they lose the
• 26:57
  Evan: microphone i think and then they're like well we're still gonna have our
• 27:00
  Evan: little procession like with candles and you know talk about uh you know and
• 27:04
  Evan: and some of them know at this point people members of the town know about the
• 27:10
  Evan: shady thing that's that you know the they have this information now and they're
• 27:13
  Evan: still like well i mean what can we do they're all dead so yeah um yeah.
• 27:20
  Kayt: It's like every bureaucrat and like you know who runs every town in a horror
• 27:25
  Kayt: movie like you know the mayor of jaws and the mayor of jaws.
• 27:30
  Evan: The mayor.
• 27:30
  Kayt: In jaws Yeah, that's... Yeah.
• 27:35
  Evan: The mayor of Jaws, like the mayor, because I think of Jaws, the shark is like,
• 27:39
  Evan: you know, a stand-in for, say, capitalism, something like that. So if the...
• 27:43
  Evan: He's the mayor of it, so he's like, you know...
• 27:46
  Evan: the capitals leader the president is.
• 27:48
  Kayt: His man is.
• 27:49
  Evan: Like his tough.
• 27:50
  Kayt: Guy who like does all the stuff he doesn't want to have to do to keep people in line and.
• 27:56
  Evan: Yeah yeah he's like the but
• 27:59
  Evan: yeah i
• 28:02
  Evan: don't know the when i'm thinking about the uh there are
• 28:05
  Evan: other aspects of the fog that i had written um this is
• 28:09
  Evan: just one funny line that i had was like one of the first notes i had
• 28:12
  Evan: is when jamie lee curtis who's like hitchhiking into
• 28:15
  Evan: town and she you know gets into the car with i
• 28:18
  Evan: think it's uh is it named nick i think it's his name played by tom atkins he's
• 28:22
  Evan: like he goes she goes are you weird it made me laugh every time i was like that's
• 28:29
  Evan: just that's that's your question and then she's you know talking about oh you
• 28:34
  Evan: know okay i guess i'm glad that you're weird or whatever.
• 28:36
  Kayt: Yeah, he's like, absolutely. And then they're in bed together.
• 28:41
  Evan: And I was looking at the age difference.
• 28:41
  Brandon: That answers my question 100% of the time, though.
• 28:44
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Evan: Well, yeah, I mean nothing wrong with that. I think the other thing that's weird
• 28:47
  Evan: is that Jamie Lee Curtis was probably 25, let's see,
• 28:54
  Evan: 32, and I think that Tom Atkins was like 50. It's a little weird.
• 28:59
  Kayt: Yeah, it was a May-December.
• 29:00
  Evan: It's not that far. Yeah.
• 29:02
  Kayt: I mean, it's so funny. Their whole whole relationship is really funny because
• 29:07
  Kayt: it does kind of like exist outside of like the goings-on of the town you know
• 29:13
  Kayt: it's like this all this stuff is going on that's like very official and they
• 29:17
  Kayt: have to like plan this ceremony and whatever and like the two of them are just sort of like,
• 29:23
  Kayt: detectives like randomly on their own yes.
• 29:26
  Evan: They are they're like yeah they're they're they show up at each place they don't
• 29:31
  Evan: really i mean jamie lee curtis is just kind of like with him at the bar and
• 29:34
  Evan: he's like, yep, do you want to go with me to this random place to do this,
• 29:38
  Evan: you know, to check this out? He's like, sure, why not? What else I got to do?
• 29:40
  Evan: You know, she's just, I don't know, it's the early 80s. She's just hitchhiking
• 29:44
  Evan: through, I think she said she's going to Sacramento. I don't remember where, San Diego.
• 29:49
  Evan: something i guess it doesn't really matter but yeah her kirk the whole jimmy
• 29:53
  Evan: curtis in this is kind of uh i don't
• 29:56
  Evan: know i like her character in it but i feel like the the person
• 29:59
  Evan: who's sort of like the main you know the main female lead
• 30:02
  Evan: is uh stevie who's like has the coolest job ever she has a radio show from like
• 30:08
  Evan: the top of this awesome um lighthouse you know just playing records and you
• 30:14
  Evan: know doing her steamy you know uh kind of radio voice at midnight or whatever it's,
• 30:21
  Evan: it's great i know that that's like that whole vibe about the movie i think is is awesome just the,
• 30:27
  Evan: you know the capture sort of like this early 80s uh california ghost vibe or
• 30:35
  Evan: i don't know i don't know what how to describe it those aren't very good descriptive words it.
• 30:39
  Kayt: Is a dream job from a a dream location it's pretty cool which.
• 30:46
  Evan: But she can't so she's i think they mentioned that she owns the lighthouse yeah
• 30:51
  Evan: i think but that seems to be her only job per se so it's the 80s she seems to
• 30:57
  Evan: have a pretty sweet you can get by you can get by on it well like five dollars i don't know don't.
• 31:06
  Brandon: You live in the lighthouse though.
• 31:07
  Evan: No she doesn't though she has like a separate beach pizza house.
• 31:10
  Brandon: Yeah, like waterfront property.
• 31:12
  Kayt: She has two waterfront properties in California.
• 31:16
  Evan: Yeah, but I mean, one of them is a walk-up, right? So it's cheaper.
• 31:20
  Evan: She has to walk up like 50 stairs and like down, like she goes,
• 31:24
  Evan: there's a lot of staircases involved.
• 31:26
  Evan: It would not have been so fun moving into the lighthouse. But yeah,
• 31:29
  Evan: she's got like a sweet record collection, playing things.
• 31:33
  Evan: I don't know. That whole aspect of it I thought was just, yeah,
• 31:37
  Evan: it's very cool. I don't know.
• 31:38
  Kayt: It's a good way to do exposition, too. Like, that she kind of gets to...
• 31:44
  Kayt: explain things from like the high point
• 31:48
  Kayt: of like the lighthouse you know that it's not like it's for a reason because
• 31:53
  Kayt: she's reporting on like the weather you know so we get to hear about the weather
• 31:57
  Kayt: all over and she gets to talk about it in a way that's interesting and not just
• 32:02
  Kayt: kind of like thrown in in a kind of weird awkward way yeah.
• 32:07
  Evan: And it's one of my favorite uh like horror movie i guess it's a trope i think
• 32:11
  Evan: i always think of like night of living dead as kind of the Well,
• 32:14
  Evan: not the first one, but maybe one of the best ones of using the radio to give
• 32:18
  Evan: people in the movie or in the town information about what they have to do.
• 32:23
  Evan: And she's literally the character that is doing the radio show.
• 32:27
  Evan: She gets calls from the weather guy who ends up getting fogged,
• 32:32
  Evan: which I'm just going to go with the fog thing.
• 32:34
  Kayt: Yeah, I like it as a verb.
• 32:35
  Evan: Yeah, he gets killed and he had been giving her information about the weather and the whole thing.
• 32:43
  Evan: yes that's basically what he was doing which you know
• 32:46
  Evan: if he had just if he hadn't been so flirty he wouldn't have had to go into work
• 32:51
  Evan: that day and then taking a shift he didn't need to but that's the other thing
• 32:55
  Evan: too he doesn't was he one of the original six people no he just happens to be
• 33:03
  Evan: in the wrong place the wrong time just take.
• 33:05
  Kayt: I wasn't sure if they just took sick it was just like well well, we just need six people.
• 33:10
  Evan: Oh, maybe that's true. The only people that seem to, well, they have the priest
• 33:15
  Evan: whose grandfather was presumably part of the town.
• 33:18
  Evan: And then I feel like the woman who was sort of the, was she the mayor or the, maybe she was the mayor?
• 33:24
  Evan: What do they say is her title? No, they don't say she's the mayor.
• 33:27
  Evan: She's just sort of like the leader of the town.
• 33:29
  Evan: I just presume that she also must have been somehow related to it, but either way.
• 33:34
  Evan: Yeah, so he just, yeah, the fog, it wasn't very you know selective in their
• 33:39
  Evan: killings you know they just will kill anyone that opens the door presumably
• 33:44
  Evan: but then it seemed like they could also come through the windows anyway so I
• 33:47
  Evan: don't know why they had to really open the door after all,
• 33:51
  Evan: courtesy because they don't yeah it's it's what it's like vampires they have
• 33:55
  Evan: to like let them in or something you know they're very they're not very polite this.
• 33:59
  Brandon: Actually was uh this is a prequel to vampires,
• 34:05
  Brandon: you have to stop drinking when.
• 34:07
  Evan: I'm talking i will say i know i swear every time i take some water you say something
• 34:11
  Evan: and i'm about to spit it across my screen and create a create a mist of of water.
• 34:18
  Kayt: It's like an interactive podcast yeah.
• 34:20
  Evan: You need you need one of those uh what are those movies like the 4dx where
• 34:24
  Evan: you sit and they like spit spit water and fog and smoke someone told me they
• 34:28
  Evan: saw the twisters the the new twisters movie under in the 4d and it like would
• 34:32
  Evan: shoot you know air at you during the twisters which i guess is kind of cool
• 34:36
  Evan: but also to me would be really i actively don't want that yeah it's also really funny because.
• 34:42
  Kayt: They they were showing them at like the amcs where you can like dine in and
• 34:46
  Kayt: it's like if somebody brought their like burger in there and then they're just
• 34:52
  Kayt: getting like sprayed and like shook every which way,
• 34:55
  Kayt: like it doesn't seem like an ideal dining experience.
• 34:59
  Evan: No, I, yeah, though. I mean the dining and do while eating while in a movie
• 35:03
  Evan: is like in theory is good, but I just feel like if your popcorn is just the
• 35:08
  Evan: popcorn and candy soda scene.
• 35:09
  Evan: Yeah. Maybe I'm a purist, I guess.
• 35:12
  Brandon: I'm with you except that peak movie theater is when they also serve beer.
• 35:17
  Evan: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Kayt: Yeah, I'm all about that.
• 35:19
  Brandon: Because my movie theater experience is that I'm going to have beer either way.
• 35:22
  Brandon: So if they sell it to me, it's easier for both of us.
• 35:26
  Evan: Rather than having to bring in the pocket beer.
• 35:28
  Brandon: Yeah, I've brought in full bottles of whiskey to the movies.
• 35:31
  Brandon: So they're saving themselves a lot of trouble if they just sell me beer.
• 35:34
  Kayt: Fair enough.
• 35:35
  Evan: I actually did go to one of those theaters recently. I saw, I think it was Civil
• 35:40
  Evan: War, and the only theater it was playing at was one of those dine-in ones.
• 35:44
  Evan: And the people next to me had a pitcher of margaritas, they had wings.
• 35:48
  Evan: They were having an entire feast while we're watching it. I don't think they,
• 35:52
  Evan: like, they also really weren't paying attention to the movie.
• 35:54
  Evan: So essentially, it was just them eating out at a really expensive restaurant
• 35:57
  Evan: while a movie was playing at the same time, which I don't get that.
• 36:00
  Brandon: I had a really similar experience recently, but kind of inverted,
• 36:04
  Brandon: where there's a horror-themed, classic Universal Monsters-themed restaurant
• 36:12
  Brandon: in Philly called Monster Vegan. Oh, yeah.
• 36:16
  Kayt: I live in Philly. Yeah.
• 36:18
  Brandon: Wait, you live in Philly? Yeah.
• 36:20
  Kayt: Oh. And you love horror.
• 36:23
  Brandon: We have some mutual friends.
• 36:24
  Kayt: Yeah, we must.
• 36:25
  Brandon: Because I go to the Horror-a-thon every year.
• 36:27
  Kayt: Oh, cool. Okay.
• 36:28
  Brandon: I've gone to the Horror-a-thon for the last 12 or 13 years.
• 36:31
  Kayt: Hell yeah.
• 36:31
  Brandon: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Kayt: Look at that.
• 36:33
  Brandon: I lost my train of thought.
• 36:34
  Kayt: Sorry.
• 36:34
  Brandon: Oh, yeah. I went to Monster Vegan while they were doing a quote-unquote screening.
• 36:39
  Brandon: They were just using a projector for an alligator.
• 36:43
  Brandon: But it was just a regular dining experience. They just have a movie playing
• 36:47
  Brandon: for you in the background.
• 36:48
  Evan: I like restaurants that do that. Even if it's not like for a thing where they
• 36:51
  Evan: just show like, you know, there's a one near me where they just show like old,
• 36:54
  Evan: like kind of film noirs just playing in the background.
• 36:57
  Evan: You can have like a drink and you can't hear it, but you can have something.
• 37:01
  Brandon: This is a little bit more engaged than that. Like they do like book a specific
• 37:05
  Brandon: room where like, you don't really have to have a reservation,
• 37:07
  Brandon: but like you just reserve it ahead of time, which I guess is what a reservation
• 37:10
  Brandon: is. I don't know how words work.
• 37:14
  Evan: Um i guess the
• 37:17
  Evan: one thing i was going to say about since we're all we'll get into the mist inside
• 37:20
  Evan: of the really bad cgi in the
• 37:23
  Evan: fog there isn't really that much cgi necessary
• 37:26
  Evan: but i think the little bit they have in the practical effects that
• 37:29
  Evan: carpenter uses for some of like the the killing kill
• 37:32
  Evan: scenes and some of the dead bodies is all like pretty good i think it all holds
• 37:36
  Evan: up pretty well given you know other i mean for most of carpenter's movies i
• 37:41
  Evan: think the cgi might hold up except for maybe the escape from LA and New York
• 37:45
  Evan: some of those are as Brendan and I discussed were pretty terrible spot.
• 37:49
  Brandon: On man perfect flawless.
• 37:50
  Evan: Flawless flawless CGI or not flawless flawlessly bad I.
• 37:54
  Brandon: Was saying flawless as in perfect but I was being deeply sarcastic.
• 37:58
  Evan: Yeah I would have hoped so given that we went on that for a little while during
• 38:03
  Evan: that but yeah other than that like I think the fog is you know I don't know it's,
• 38:08
  Evan: the vibe of the entire movie for me is you know it's there but i don't know
• 38:13
  Evan: do you have any uh kate any last kind of thoughts on the fog and then we can
• 38:17
  Evan: switch to the other weather pattern for today no.
• 38:20
  Kayt: I mean i think it's great i love the music it's you know another john carpenter
• 38:24
  Kayt: special um it's a someone actually on uh the internet said it was like a thanks
• 38:32
  Kayt: a good thanksgiving movie um.
• 38:35
  Evan: Which is.
• 38:36
  Kayt: You know coming up so if you want to watch it for but it feels like a good fall,
• 38:41
  Kayt: like spooky fall movie you're getting into your like cozy pumpkin haunted stuff
• 38:47
  Kayt: so like halloween or thanksgiving i think is like a good time yeah.
• 38:52
  Evan: I can actually see thanksgiving because now that now that i made the like the
• 38:55
  Evan: joke that it's kind of similar to you know the holiday that they're celebrating
• 38:59
  Evan: their centennial so i guess it's kind of the same idea in a way thanksgiving is more of of a fall.
• 39:05
  Evan: It is a fall holiday as July 4th is not.
• 39:07
  Evan: So this is, so is this, is this like a, this is a Thanksgiving movie then?
• 39:12
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 39:12
  Evan: I like it.
• 39:13
  Kayt: And there aren't that many Thanksgiving horror movies. There are a couple in there. Pretty bad.
• 39:18
  Evan: Yeah. As I say, I can't think of any really good Thanksgiving horror movies.
• 39:21
  Kayt: Yeah. Thanksgiving is extremely, extremely bad.
• 39:25
  Evan: Yeah. That's the only one that I can think of really at the top of my mind.
• 39:29
  Evan: Yeah. So if you're listening out there and you have you know five to ten million
• 39:32
  Evan: dollars to make a movie consider making a thanksgiving actually you could do
• 39:37
  Evan: something like this where you just kill a bunch of the founding fathers of america i mean i.
• 39:41
  Kayt: Think there's a lot of ideas there for people with horror wasn't.
• 39:44
  Brandon: There a thanksgiving themed slasher flick like a year or two ago.
• 39:47
  Kayt: There's one that's like a pilgrim thanksgiving slasher right.
• 39:53
  Evan: Oh yeah yeah.
• 39:54
  Brandon: That was it was actually not terrible it wasn't great but but I didn't hate it.
• 39:58
  Kayt: Well, there can be, yeah, there can be more. I feel like if somebody made one
• 40:02
  Kayt: that was kind of like the witch, the vich for Thanksgiving specifically.
• 40:08
  Brandon: To me, that feels like a Thanksgiving movie.
• 40:10
  Kayt: Yeah, no, that's definitely a Thanksgiving movie. We should curate like a sort
• 40:16
  Kayt: of tangentially Thanksgiving film festival.
• 40:23
  Evan: Isn't there a movie? I don't think I've actually seen it.
• 40:27
  Evan: I want to say that Bruce Campbell was in some movie about Black Friday.
• 40:32
  Evan: Did I make that up?
• 40:34
  Evan: I have to look that up. For some reason, it sounds like I thought because Black
• 40:38
  Evan: Friday, I assume, would be like took place in a store.
• 40:42
  Kayt: Oh, like the horrors of malls. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Evan: I think anything related to shopping is kind of like a horror movie to Dawn
• 40:51
  Evan: of the Dead, which I guess that's not a Thanksgiving movie, but it takes place
• 40:54
  Evan: in a... That's about all I got there.
• 40:56
  Evan: But yeah, so I guess we can go over to The Mist.
• 41:01
  Evan: And I think you had mentioned, Brandon, that you can see it in the black and
• 41:07
  Evan: white if you have the DVD.
• 41:09
  Evan: I couldn't find it anywhere online otherwise, which is why I went with that.
• 41:12
  Evan: But the one thing that I thought was really cool, I mean, neither of these movies have very high budgets.
• 41:16
  Evan: I forgot to mention that the fog was only made for a million dollars and it
• 41:20
  Evan: netted 21 million in the box office.
• 41:23
  Evan: Whereas the mist, you know, with inflation, it's up to 18 million in 2007 for
• 41:28
  Evan: the budget, and it made 57 million.
• 41:30
  Evan: So pretty solid. But the thing that I learned about it is that Frank Darabont,
• 41:34
  Evan: when he wanted to make the movie and got the rights from Stephen King,
• 41:37
  Evan: he apparently was told they had to make the movie and film it in six weeks,
• 41:42
  Evan: which I think might've also included some of the editing.
• 41:45
  Evan: They had to do the whole thing in just a couple months, which is crazy.
• 41:48
  Evan: And they basically said, I'll do that if you let me keep the original ending,
• 41:55
  Evan: which I'm sure we'll talk about, is a pretty brutal ending as far as endings go.
• 42:01
  Evan: Endings that you don't normally see in movies in general, which the studio did not want to.
• 42:07
  Evan: I think Harvey Weinstein might have been part of that, or maybe I I made that up.
• 42:12
  Evan: For some reason, I thought Harvey Weinstein said they didn't want to have it.
• 42:15
  Evan: Maybe I'm misremembering. Anyway, but yeah, The Mist is an adaptation of the
• 42:21
  Evan: Stephen King book from 1980, which the ending is completely different than his book.
• 42:26
  Evan: And they have a special feature on the Blu-ray with them talking about it.
• 42:31
  Evan: And he said, Stephen King, that it was one of his few favorite adaptations of any of his books.
• 42:37
  Evan: And I think Frank Darabont pretty much killed this this, uh.
• 42:42
  Brandon: I could be mixing this up with something else, but didn't he say about The Mist
• 42:48
  Brandon: that he liked their ending better than his own?
• 42:51
  Evan: He did say that, yep.
• 42:53
  Brandon: Which, admittedly, when I first saw this movie, I think if the ending had been
• 42:57
  Brandon: different, I would have probably more or less forgotten about it,
• 43:00
  Brandon: but it was so fucking memorable.
• 43:02
  Kayt: Yeah, the ending is such, it wrecks you.
• 43:06
  Brandon: It's brutal.
• 43:07
  Kayt: It is brutal.
• 43:09
  Brandon: And when I watched it again years
• 43:11
  Brandon: later, I was like, oh, this whole movie actually is solid and stands up.
• 43:16
  Brandon: That ending is probably the reason that I actually came back and revisited the movie.
• 43:21
  Evan: Yeah, I think the tropes in it, as far as the Lovecraftian, you mentioned,
• 43:26
  Evan: Brandon, the cosmic horror.
• 43:28
  Evan: You have sort of that religious kind of woman in it, which I think is an interesting
• 43:33
  Evan: piece we can also discuss.
• 43:36
  Evan: us and then you have kind of like just the monsters in
• 43:39
  Evan: the mist literally you know of unknown origin you
• 43:42
  Evan: know that at first you don't think you don't know what's there you don't know
• 43:45
  Evan: that's out there and then slowly see more and more of them and the practical
• 43:49
  Evan: effects they use for some of the monsters was good but the cgi for the ones
• 43:53
  Evan: they use was really bad but that's the only knock on the movie i would say is the scene honestly it's.
• 43:59
  Kayt: So funny that like i guess we haven't gotten there
• 44:02
  Kayt: yet and like me i kind of hope maybe we don't but like how we have nostalgia
• 44:06
  Kayt: for practical effects we have no nostalgia for like early cgi um says a lot
• 44:15
  Kayt: about yeah like practical effects and how they can like hold up.
• 44:19
  Brandon: In my limited experience dealing with the young
• 44:22
  Brandon: folks um it's it's been in my experience that like for like i'm i'm 40 people
• 44:29
  Brandon: of of my sort of uh peer group yeah extremely uh nostalgic for for practical
• 44:35
  Brandon: effects yeah i find that like a lot of younger people that i've talked to about
• 44:38
  Brandon: horror movies which granted not a lot of,
• 44:41
  Brandon: i've done this with but they're relatively indifferent they're just
• 44:44
  Brandon: kind of like all right whatever i mean like granted that you know if you're younger you're
• 44:47
  Brandon: coming up in an era where cgi has gotten so much better because we all had to
• 44:51
  Brandon: suffer through the real worst of it yeah um but yeah that when you like i worked
• 44:55
  Brandon: with someone last year who was mid-20s actually told me their favorite movie
• 45:00
  Brandon: was the thing but like we talk about modern stuff with like heavy cgi and like
• 45:05
  Brandon: never mentioned CGI versus practical effects.
• 45:08
  Brandon: It just wasn't a factor to her, you know, viewing experience,
• 45:13
  Brandon: which to me, like the reason the thing is one of my favorite movies is that.
• 45:18
  Kayt: Oh yeah. And like finding out, like watching the behind the scenes movie of
• 45:24
  Kayt: the thing and like hearing all the special effects guys talk about how they
• 45:28
  Kayt: like gassed themselves by accident once and like set the place on fire.
• 45:34
  Kayt: fire and you know like uh the.
• 45:36
  Brandon: Way they made.
• 45:37
  Kayt: The thing logo like in a fish tank is like the coolest shit.
• 45:42
  Brandon: That's so fucking cool yeah i was i was gutted recently because i learned that
• 45:47
  Brandon: when they did the like requel or whatever you want to call it for the thing
• 45:50
  Brandon: um apparently that director's favorite movie was the thing and he like genuinely
• 45:55
  Brandon: wanted to like do it justice and apparently he insisted that like,
• 46:00
  Brandon: most to all of the effects be practical and like
• 46:04
  Brandon: after the fact producers were like uh this actually
• 46:07
  Brandon: sucks make it all cgi um so apparently the original intention was the director
• 46:12
  Brandon: was like no no i want to do justice to one of my favorite movies let's do this
• 46:16
  Brandon: right and it got fucked over by the studio yeah typical yeah so i i don't know
• 46:23
  Brandon: if there's like a like a director's cut that has more
• 46:27
  Brandon: practical effects out there or to what stage it made it to.
• 46:30
  Brandon: But it made me really curious about what could have been.
• 46:32
  Evan: Yeah. I mean, the one thing I did also learn about in the miss is that Frank
• 46:36
  Evan: Darabont wanted to use more practical effects than they ended up using.
• 46:41
  Evan: So they like build all these, like a lot of the times when they would have something
• 46:44
  Evan: like a bug in the, in the grocery store flying at them, they actually were holding
• 46:48
  Evan: up like the model to kind of show them what it looked like.
• 46:52
  Evan: And then they CGI in the, you know, terrible ones. I
• 46:55
  Evan: wish they had just gone with that because also in
• 46:58
  Evan: the and then the scene when they're the early on when they're in
• 47:00
  Evan: the in the grocery store and they go to the back and the the one
• 47:03
  Evan: you know the bag guy is you know pulled out by
• 47:06
  Evan: like the you know whatever the monster with the
• 47:09
  Evan: arms octopus whatever it is they had like one of the pieces they use was a real
• 47:15
  Evan: you know piece they're going to use and then they cut that out too they're like
• 47:20
  Evan: no we're just going to use CJ over it and that's really just disappointing like
• 47:23
  Evan: I don't the only reason they did that i think was because they wanted to rush
• 47:26
  Evan: it to screen they could put it out quicker,
• 47:30
  Evan: which i don't know that actually that doesn't actually make any sense well
• 47:34
  Evan: i guess they use really shitty cgi they can do it really quick i don't
• 47:36
  Evan: know and and they did but yeah as i
• 47:40
  Evan: said like so that's like the worst part of the movie but i don't know the i
• 47:44
  Evan: i just love the the setup and because we both are talking about this is actually
• 47:48
  Evan: perfect i don't know if either of you you notice at the very beginning of the
• 47:51
  Evan: miss when they show the um the artist uh played by um.
• 47:58
  Evan: Tom Jane. Thomas Tom Jane, yeah.
• 48:02
  Evan: He's doing his little artist thing, and one of the, he has the thing,
• 48:07
  Evan: yeah, you knew what I was going to say.
• 48:09
  Evan: He has the thing screen, the cover right in the background as if he had been
• 48:14
  Evan: the person who designed that.
• 48:15
  Evan: And I don't know why they chose to do that, but they did, and it's also my,
• 48:19
  Evan: you probably can't see it, it's my home screen.
• 48:21
  Evan: But yeah, I thought that was such a cool little nod and just kind of a really good setup to the movie.
• 48:26
  Brandon: Game recognized game, yeah.
• 48:27
  Kayt: Totally. yeah you do the like leonardo dicaprio pointing meme to.
• 48:32
  Evan: To the same poster is that like i'm like sitting there holding my phone with
• 48:36
  Evan: the actual picture i'm like look that's the thing yeah that's uh we're.
• 48:40
  Brandon: Literally doing a podcast about two different movies and we keep talking about
• 48:44
  Brandon: the thing yeah well no complaints i'm just that's what a good movie it is is well.
• 48:49
  Evan: It's a it's a movie that has two words and the one starts with the so it's a
• 48:53
  Evan: triple feature the thing i don't
• 48:56
  Evan: like there is i guess there isn't any really there is
• 48:59
  Evan: weather involved in the thing as well there's snow and cold
• 49:02
  Evan: so you could have you could do it as a tenuous connection
• 49:05
  Evan: bud i was trying trying to
• 49:09
  Evan: get it in there but yeah the the like the whole um like the whole opening and
• 49:13
  Evan: the way they kind of build it is the i guess one of the so the um i know oh
• 49:19
  Evan: i know i know i was going to say is that andre brower who uh was you know his
• 49:22
  Evan: neighbor in the like the opening of the movie and we have it,
• 49:26
  Evan: I thought it was such like a good kind of opening to creating this,
• 49:30
  Evan: you know, coastal elite kind of thing with sort of like the locals of the town.
• 49:35
  Evan: And then it gets kind of really like flipped around a lot with some of the different people in the store.
• 49:39
  Evan: And, you know, just an entire movie taking place in essentially one location
• 49:42
  Evan: for the entire time, minus a few, you know, the very last scene and the scene
• 49:47
  Evan: they go next door to the pharmacy and a few scenes in in the parking lot, it's all one place.
• 49:52
  Evan: And it, I don't know, it, you don't, you don't, it doesn't feel like it,
• 49:55
  Evan: you know, some of those movies where it's everything takes place in a single place.
• 49:59
  Evan: And it, uh, I don't know. I thought it was, uh,
• 50:03
  Evan: especially like the camera work which i then learned in the extras was the cameras
• 50:08
  Evan: were on these 360 degree sort of like.
• 50:10
  Kayt: A lazy susan.
• 50:11
  Evan: Or something yeah or there was like on their shoulders but they were able to
• 50:15
  Evan: move like in 360 degrees around it so apparently a lot of the shots they were
• 50:20
  Evan: using were actually like the background shots that they then able were able
• 50:24
  Evan: to capture sort of accidentally and so like the screen like all the i don't
• 50:28
  Evan: know i'm just going on and on It feels.
• 50:31
  Brandon: Like a dumb guy thing to say, but this is a very small movie that takes place largely in one store.
• 50:38
  Brandon: And until you said that, I never really realized that because it doesn't have the feeling of a small.
• 50:46
  Brandon: There's nothing claustrophobic about it. There's nothing that feels like it
• 50:49
  Brandon: fell short because they were confined.
• 50:52
  Brandon: They had the space of a supermarket, but yeah, I did not realize that actually.
• 50:57
  Kayt: Yeah, that's always a good place for a horror movie. you know,
• 51:00
  Kayt: I think is like the single location.
• 51:03
  Evan: I mean, yeah, sorry to interrupt you. I was going to say that's,
• 51:05
  Evan: yeah, I agree. I love that guy.
• 51:07
  Evan: You know, I like that kind of trope of, but yeah, they had all the different
• 51:12
  Evan: spots in the grocery store.
• 51:13
  Evan: You know, you had kind of the scene by the windows where they're blocking,
• 51:16
  Evan: you know, preventing the creatures from coming in.
• 51:19
  Evan: They have the garage area, the loading dock, and then, you know,
• 51:23
  Evan: the pharmacy next door, which is probably like the creepiest part,
• 51:27
  Evan: even though the CGI sucks. It was the spiders always creep the hell out of me is really gross.
• 51:33
  Kayt: And that one and like when the spiders take over the guy and then just pour
• 51:38
  Kayt: out of him. It's so gross.
• 51:40
  Evan: Yeah, that was that was definitely good. But yeah, I mean the the yeah,
• 51:47
  Evan: I don't know Brandon. That's,
• 51:51
  Evan: I don't know. I think that the cameras, I think, maybe played into it where
• 51:55
  Evan: you didn't... It wasn't just kind of like from a single perspective either.
• 51:59
  Evan: You always got... You had them sitting on the ground when the other woman is
• 52:03
  Evan: kind of helping his son and taking
• 52:06
  Evan: care of his son and all these different things. And yeah, I don't know.
• 52:10
  Evan: The first time I saw this, I didn't know the ending.
• 52:13
  Evan: I didn't know what was going to happen. But I thought to myself,
• 52:15
  Evan: something is gonna happen to this kid and it's gonna be devastating because
• 52:18
  Evan: why have him here if not either be the person who only one who survives or he's going to die yeah.
• 52:26
  Kayt: Oof what an end um.
• 52:29
  Evan: Yeah and so this is that okay no.
• 52:32
  Kayt: I uh i would love to talk about yeah just like the relationships between everyone
• 52:39
  Kayt: and like how people all deal with like chaos in the movie me.
• 52:43
  Evan: Yeah yeah so that's like i guess to bring some of the other sort
• 52:46
  Evan: of like the main like the main characters as far as
• 52:49
  Evan: the within there is the david and his
• 52:51
  Evan: son who i was just referring to and so he's sort
• 52:54
  Evan: of like the local in the town who paints you know these posters for movies and
• 52:59
  Evan: then you have um i think her name is mrs carmody who's sort of this religious
• 53:02
  Evan: fanatic you mentioned her earlier brandon like the the theory about her so she
• 53:08
  Evan: kind of is the you slowly kind of see her become more fanatical and getting
• 53:13
  Evan: more people kind of behind her.
• 53:14
  Evan: And then you have, I think, Amanda Dunfrey, who's played by Lori Holden,
• 53:19
  Evan: who's, I think they mentioned she has a family, but she's just there by herself.
• 53:24
  Evan: Andre Brouwer, Brent Norton, who's sort of like the big city attorney,
• 53:28
  Evan: who's the neighbor who we meet early on.
• 53:31
  Evan: And then you have a bunch of people sort of who work, who are more like,
• 53:34
  Evan: I would say, I guess you could call them more like working class people,
• 53:38
  Evan: the people who work in the grocery store.
• 53:40
  Evan: I love Toby Jones just as an actor in general, and I thought he is great in this movie.
• 53:46
  Evan: And he's kind of a bag boy, I guess, or some person in the grocery store.
• 53:53
  Evan: You have the grocery store owner.
• 53:54
  Evan: And then you have a few of the local residents, kind of like working class type
• 53:58
  Evan: people that are... One of them's kind of in,
• 54:03
  Evan: I don't know, maybe in kind of like, not scrubs is the wrong word.
• 54:08
  Kayt: Yeah, it's like coveralls.
• 54:09
  Evan: Like he works in a, coveralls, yes, that was a word I was thinking of.
• 54:13
  Evan: He works in cars, perhaps, Brandon. He could be a comrade on Cars and Comrades,
• 54:19
  Evan: although based on his trajectory in this, probably not, given that he kind of
• 54:23
  Evan: goes the religious fanatic.
• 54:25
  Evan: But those are kind of like all the main ones. I don't think I missed any.
• 54:29
  Evan: I think that's all of them.
• 54:30
  Kayt: Oh, there's the older lady who's amazing. I guess she's not a main character.
• 54:35
  Evan: Oh, yeah. She has the best lines.
• 54:37
  Kayt: Yeah, when she lobs a can of peas at Mrs. Carmody and calls her a buzzard or something.
• 54:45
  Evan: She also has... I mean, we can talk about the relationship, but she has one
• 54:49
  Evan: of my favorite lines in the whole movie.
• 54:52
  Evan: Before they're locked in the grocery store and they're just having a panic before
• 54:56
  Evan: the mist, I guess, like kind of consumes the whole town.
• 54:58
  Evan: She like very astutely basically says, you know, why is it that the military
• 55:03
  Evan: is, you know, running this town and spending all their money on weapons instead
• 55:07
  Evan: of, you know, education?
• 55:09
  Evan: And then you, you know, it's kind of like setting up a lot of what will happen
• 55:14
  Evan: is that we learn later that the military has basically had an experiment that's gone wrong and,
• 55:19
  Evan: you know, now killed probably half or more of the town. And so it's actually.
• 55:24
  Brandon: A commentary on why we need an enormous military budget so that they have money
• 55:28
  Brandon: to clean up their own mistakes with. Right.
• 55:31
  Kayt: Because they have to save us at the end.
• 55:33
  Brandon: Yeah.
• 55:35
  Evan: Yes, that's right. If we hadn't given that money, how would they have been able
• 55:38
  Evan: to afford those big flamethrowers and things at the end of the movie?
• 55:42
  Kayt: Exactly.
• 55:43
  Evan: The relationships between them is interesting. I guess it all devolves into
• 55:49
  Evan: these different little clicks almost.
• 55:52
  Evan: You have the people that follow the religious fanatic and you have the son who
• 55:59
  Evan: is just in utter shock of all of this.
• 56:04
  Evan: His mother isn't there. His mother is still at home. And I don't know,
• 56:07
  Evan: what did you make of some of the like the relationships and maybe how they fit
• 56:11
  Evan: in kind of how they deal with all of what's going?
• 56:14
  Kayt: I mean, I think ultimately, even though I really like this movie,
• 56:17
  Kayt: I think the politics are kind of conservative.
• 56:20
  Kayt: Like, you know, sort of lib conservative, I guess that it's,
• 56:24
  Kayt: it's like a very individualistic sort of idea of how people react to,
• 56:32
  Kayt: you know, like some sort of disaster.
• 56:36
  Kayt: there's this book that like is after i watched the
• 56:39
  Kayt: mist i was like oh shit i have this book in my bookshelf
• 56:42
  Kayt: um called hope against hope which is like
• 56:45
  Kayt: a um like a marxist or
• 56:48
  Kayt: anarchist um conversation about like
• 56:52
  Kayt: uh global catastrophe um it's by the out of the woods collective and um They
• 56:58
  Kayt: talk about how like most of the ideas of how chaos happens after a like they
• 57:07
  Kayt: also say like there's no such thing as a natural disaster, really.
• 57:12
  Kayt: oh look at that cat um you know
• 57:15
  Kayt: because like most disasters are predicated on
• 57:18
  Kayt: something happening that like maybe we
• 57:20
  Kayt: did in this case like the natural you know
• 57:23
  Kayt: the disaster that like is cosmic was also caused by the military but that like
• 57:29
  Kayt: the idea that humans when there's a huge disaster like a hurricane or something
• 57:34
  Kayt: like that act in like factions and sort of like attack each other is a myth that.
• 57:43
  Kayt: The government or like the bureaucracy wants us
• 57:48
  Kayt: you know like kind of focuses on the media focuses
• 57:51
  Kayt: on it too like looting and stuff like that as a
• 57:54
  Kayt: way to like discourage solidarity and
• 57:57
  Kayt: mutual aid and shit good shit like that um and that like often the real help
• 58:06
  Kayt: is like within a community and like not without and like in the in this case
• 58:12
  Kayt: i feel like they do a lot of convert like,
• 58:15
  Kayt: philosophizing when they're talking about like whether they should
• 58:18
  Kayt: all leave or not and the only
• 58:22
  Kayt: one who believes that like people are
• 58:25
  Kayt: like tend towards mutual aid
• 58:29
  Kayt: rather than like competition is the
• 58:32
  Kayt: teacher and everyone else is just like yeah people fucking suck and like yes
• 58:38
  Kayt: there are a lot of people who suck but i do think that like the way this movie
• 58:43
  Kayt: sees humanity is pretty grim and nihilistic even though i like i.
• 58:49
  Evan: Mean i mean seth no no i was just gonna say it's kind of common amongst a lot of stephen king.
• 58:55
  Kayt: Yeah i think.
• 58:56
  Evan: To have this it's very these are his politics unfortunately and so that's what.
• 59:01
  Kayt: Yeah i mean he he was wearing a t-shirt that said let me speak the with a kamala on it so yeah.
• 59:13
  Brandon: I mean so i'm not inclined to disagree with you in regards.
• 59:17
  Kayt: To you.
• 59:18
  Brandon: Know people banding together and helping each other out but you know it's uh
• 59:21
  Brandon: i would say that there's there's there's two interpretations that i would make
• 59:25
  Brandon: of it where it's either you know staring at a mirror or it's like projecting
• 59:29
  Brandon: but either way it's no it's that's a manifestation of american exceptionalism like.
• 59:33
  Kayt: Would generally.
• 59:34
  Brandon: Would humanity band together to try and do it yes but would america intervene
• 59:39
  Brandon: to make goddamn sure that no one does fan together also yes.
• 59:43
  Kayt: Oh totally yeah we.
• 59:45
  Brandon: We are indoctrinated enough against our own nature i think that yeah i could really you
• 59:51
  Brandon: realistically see like in a disaster like that things
• 59:54
  Brandon: absolutely falling apart actually i kind of feel like it starts
• 59:57
  Brandon: to come out in the wash in like bigger things like when they're natural disasters
• 1:00:00
  Brandon: people look out for each other but yeah i think if you cram like 10 people into
• 1:00:05
  Brandon: a small building together under truly horrific circumstances because my talent
• 1:00:10
  Brandon: as i've gotten older is to start to be better able to actually imagine myself
• 1:00:15
  Brandon: in a situation like that and not like oh if i were,
• 1:00:19
  Brandon: in a zombie apocalypse i'd just kick all their asses but more
• 1:00:22
  Brandon: in the like uh if i were in a zombie apocalypse like you
• 1:00:24
  Brandon: don't have a conceptualization of it
• 1:00:27
  Brandon: being a zombie apocalypse so from your perspective you actually are just having
• 1:00:31
  Brandon: to kill your peers are you capable of doing that and i think your average person
• 1:00:35
  Brandon: isn't but the dialogue is always like oh i would just do this so like in a situation
• 1:00:40
  Brandon: like that like we when you really imagine yourself in it like Like,
• 1:00:43
  Brandon: I know my reaction would be like,
• 1:00:45
  Brandon: we have to fucking help each other out because that shit is wild out there.
• 1:00:51
  Brandon: But yeah, I mean, like you, you suddenly your entire world has ended.
• 1:00:54
  Brandon: So what do you have left the people in the room with you?
• 1:00:57
  Brandon: Yeah, I don't know what point I was making. I kind of went on a tangent there.
• 1:01:00
  Kayt: I think that's a good point. And then, like, I think, you know,
• 1:01:04
  Kayt: you mentioned at the beginning, the Mrs.
• 1:01:07
  Kayt: is Carmody character and how like maybe she was there's, there's a case for
• 1:01:12
  Kayt: her being right all along that like, this is,
• 1:01:16
  Kayt: I think she said like this, you know, the end comes in is coming in miss not in fire.
• 1:01:23
  Kayt: And like it very well could be the end. I mean, it's the end of something.
• 1:01:29
  Kayt: And like, even though everyone talks about her being crazy throughout the movie, um,
• 1:01:36
  Kayt: people do get killed sort of according to
• 1:01:39
  Kayt: their sins or like according to like what they do wrong in a lot of cases you
• 1:01:44
  Kayt: know like the bat the young guy gets killed first because he has like a sense
• 1:01:50
  Kayt: of like like sort of an out of uh like an exaggerated sense of like masculinity and like
• 1:01:59
  Kayt: uh i can't think of the word it's
• 1:02:02
  Kayt: like one of the deadly sins right sure
• 1:02:06
  Kayt: yeah let's yeah like he and
• 1:02:09
  Kayt: like he gets killed for that and then like there's the guy who's like when he
• 1:02:13
  Kayt: leaves he's who i think was like probably the coolest guy the biker dude who
• 1:02:18
  Kayt: was like i believe in god too but and not your bullshit god and then he gets torn in half like.
• 1:02:27
  Brandon: What does that say i feel like
• 1:02:30
  Brandon: uh i'm gonna get a bunch of blank stares but did
• 1:02:33
  Brandon: either of you ever happen to watch the tv show no
• 1:02:36
  Brandon: i haven't okay so there's a missed tv show and
• 1:02:39
  Brandon: they like it's i remember not liking it that
• 1:02:42
  Brandon: much but after three or four episodes i kind of got a
• 1:02:45
  Brandon: bit more into it it's definitely not quite up
• 1:02:48
  Brandon: to to snuff with the movie and you could tell that they were hoping for a season
• 1:02:51
  Brandon: two that they didn't get but they like flesh out the ladies cult a little bit
• 1:02:55
  Brandon: more because you know they had eight or ten episodes or whatever to do it and
• 1:02:59
  Brandon: i don't i haven't watched it recently enough to cite specifics but i'll say
• 1:03:03
  Brandon: that like i felt like the cult that she was building up in the tv show is a.
• 1:03:09
  Evan: To the point of whether she's right, I mean, her, maybe her way of describing
• 1:03:15
  Evan: it because of the sins of individuals, you know, might be wrong.
• 1:03:20
  Evan: Like, oh, you know, you don't believe in God or you're, you know,
• 1:03:23
  Evan: you drink or you commit adultery or whatever.
• 1:03:26
  Evan: That's what she's kind of saying has caused this. But really what's caused it
• 1:03:30
  Evan: is the sins of, you know, corporations, you know, the system beyond.
• 1:03:35
  Evan: It's like saying, you know, people who, if you don't use a paper straw,
• 1:03:39
  Evan: you know, you're destroying the environment.
• 1:03:40
  Evan: We're like, okay, well, no, actually, it's like Exxon, like dumping thousands
• 1:03:45
  Evan: of gallons of oil into the Pacific Ocean and being like, whoops.
• 1:03:49
  Evan: You know, so she does see that there is some evil or something,
• 1:03:55
  Evan: you know, that she can understand.
• 1:03:56
  Evan: But really, the evil is, you know, the military industrial complex and,
• 1:04:01
  Evan: you know, these corporations and lobbyists and all these terrible things.
• 1:04:04
  Evan: But it's kind of misdirected because that's how, as you said,
• 1:04:08
  Evan: Kate, this is kind of a conservative, liberal-ish take on it.
• 1:04:11
  Evan: It doesn't really actually show the reasons for the problems.
• 1:04:15
  Evan: It just kind of briefly mentions it because that older woman has that one line,
• 1:04:20
  Evan: but they don't ever really mention the military until near the end of the movie
• 1:04:25
  Evan: when they kind of have some information because those two military guys feel guilty.
• 1:04:30
  Evan: Which I have to ask, why is it that they didn't talk to them until like the third act?
• 1:04:34
  Evan: Like military dudes inside here.
• 1:04:37
  Kayt: And they're so unhelpful.
• 1:04:39
  Kayt: Like the other two guys, they were just like, it was like, does anybody,
• 1:04:43
  Kayt: Hey, you guys who are like training to do, you know, ostensibly like scary shit.
• 1:04:50
  Kayt: Do you want to help us? And they're kind of like.
• 1:04:52
  Brandon: I mean, I feel like that's a
• 1:04:55
  Brandon: pretty spot on analysis that the guys in the military are fucking useless.
• 1:04:58
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Evan: Yeah. I guess at that point, I mean, maybe it's, I mean, I get that it has,
• 1:05:03
  Evan: you know, they needed to not know that information until later.
• 1:05:06
  Evan: and they had the guy, you know, kill himself because he's so,
• 1:05:08
  Evan: you know, guilt-stricken.
• 1:05:10
  Evan: But if he was guilt-stricken that whole time, maybe, like, help the people?
• 1:05:13
  Evan: I don't know. Like, you think that his, I don't know, military helping people,
• 1:05:17
  Evan: you know, he should have brought some freedom to the grocery store and democracy
• 1:05:22
  Evan: or something. I don't know.
• 1:05:23
  Brandon: My mental image of that is there being a small automotive section with a few
• 1:05:27
  Brandon: things of oil and he just sets up camp around there.
• 1:05:34
  Evan: There for a second for a second i didn't get it and then when i got it yeah he invades.
• 1:05:40
  Kayt: The oil aisle.
• 1:05:42
  Brandon: Everybody else is worried about food and he's good because he's got like three gallons of oil.
• 1:05:49
  Evan: He's stealing he's stealing everyone's jewelry to like melt down to build i
• 1:05:54
  Evan: don't know Something like in The Fog.
• 1:05:56
  Evan: Build a giant crucifix or whatever. But yeah, the...
• 1:06:01
  Evan: I don't know. That's... You could... I don't know.
• 1:06:04
  Evan: The one thing I did note when I was watching it, to me, it felt like the TV
• 1:06:10
  Evan: show The Stranger Things is directly based on...
• 1:06:14
  Evan: like the concept of this movie in
• 1:06:16
  Evan: that you have especially the first season where you or maybe multiple seasons
• 1:06:20
  Evan: where you have the military accidentally opening a portal to another world and
• 1:06:24
  Evan: like creatures coming through or like people going through i mean i don't know
• 1:06:28
  Evan: that this was an original thought in this necessarily but i seem like a very
• 1:06:33
  Evan: similar type of concept i.
• 1:06:34
  Brandon: See that no yeah i can see that.
• 1:06:36
  Evan: I don't know yeah the first couple seasons i like the stranger things i I haven't
• 1:06:41
  Evan: seen the most recent one.
• 1:06:42
  Kayt: I only saw the first. I kind of gave up on it. Yeah, I only saw the first one.
• 1:06:45
  Kayt: But yeah, like aesthetically, it's very 80s. But then, yeah, you're right.
• 1:06:48
  Kayt: It is the whole idea of it is that like the military is playing around with
• 1:06:54
  Kayt: lots of secret things, which I feel like is always an like I love military conspiracy stuff.
• 1:07:01
  Kayt: stuff and like because it's so plausible you know like i'm reading um that book
• 1:07:08
  Kayt: chaos right now about like the cia and charles manson and you're just like yeah.
• 1:07:14
  Evan: I mean.
• 1:07:15
  Kayt: It sounds like a conspiracy theory but it also sounds true because they're you
• 1:07:20
  Kayt: know it's like mk ultra we know is like absolutely true i.
• 1:07:24
  Evan: Was about to say that like if if that could be true like what else is it really
• 1:07:27
  Evan: that plausible to be true at this point that's.
• 1:07:29
  Brandon: Why when people do like whenever you meet a real conspiracy theorist i just
• 1:07:33
  Brandon: i don't know how to talk to them because i'm like they admit it when they do
• 1:07:36
  Brandon: stuff there's a paper trail every fucking time yeah it's true.
• 1:07:39
  Evan: Yeah just gotta wait 20 years or whatever and they'll they'll tell you i'm pretty
• 1:07:44
  Evan: uh pretty plain uh pretty plain what they've done but one other so one other
• 1:07:49
  Evan: thing since you can't mention the like the individual,
• 1:07:52
  Evan: kind of the individual nature of some of the people in the store like that seemed
• 1:07:55
  Evan: also Also, where the biggest conflict, aside from sort of like the Mrs.
• 1:08:03
  Evan: Carmody, the sort of religious fanatic, was between the Andre Brouwer character
• 1:08:07
  Evan: and sort of the Tom Jane character is that they both were kind of like wanted
• 1:08:12
  Evan: to be the sort of like the...
• 1:08:14
  Evan: the savior or the person who was doing it. But it did seem more like that Thomas
• 1:08:19
  Evan: Jane just genuinely wanted to help.
• 1:08:21
  Evan: He had his kid there. He wanted to do whatever it took to do the things.
• 1:08:25
  Evan: But then Andre Brouwer is this big shot elite and kind of quotes attorney from
• 1:08:32
  Evan: New York City, presumably.
• 1:08:34
  Evan: And they kind of created this kind
• 1:08:37
  Evan: of rift between them and eventually gets himself killed because of it but they
• 1:08:41
  Evan: all seem to have they they claim to have like the group of people in mind like
• 1:08:46
  Evan: oh we want to do everything but really they all just want themselves to be safe
• 1:08:50
  Evan: probably including you know the the tom jinker he wants him and his son really to be safe and if it
• 1:08:56
  Evan: if he can help some other people kind of in the meantime i don't know maybe
• 1:08:59
  Evan: i'm maybe i'm doing him dirty it's.
• 1:09:00
  Brandon: A metaphor for communism they're pretending to want to help other people to better themselves.
• 1:09:08
  Evan: But I don't know. Maybe, maybe his character is like genuinely like a good person.
• 1:09:12
  Evan: You know, he's trying to help the people.
• 1:09:14
  Evan: It does seem like that. And he gets pretty upset when, you know,
• 1:09:17
  Evan: he's trying to protect the, like the younger guy who gets, you know, pulled out early on.
• 1:09:23
  Evan: But whereas kind of the Andre Brouwer character really doesn't care about anyone else.
• 1:09:27
  Evan: They just want to get out of there with, you know, presumably a gun if they
• 1:09:31
  Evan: can get one or a weapon and then get the fuck out of Dodge. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Kayt: You know, the other thing that like I kind of focused on more this time watching
• 1:09:38
  Kayt: it is like at the beginning, there's also that woman who is like insists that
• 1:09:43
  Kayt: she needs to go out and get her kids and like make sure they're OK.
• 1:09:47
  Kayt: And no one helps her. And she like kind of keeps calling them out like none
• 1:09:53
  Kayt: of you are going to come with me.
• 1:09:55
  Kayt: None of you are going to check on my kids with me or like walk me to my car
• 1:09:59
  Kayt: and everyone just kind of looks away and they're all like, well,
• 1:10:02
  Kayt: I got to like be here, you know, and I don't know if that's fair or not fair,
• 1:10:09
  Kayt: but like it is a real sort of like tragic moment that you just like walks out and like disappears.
• 1:10:15
  Evan: Years yeah they like she asked a bunch of the people in it who later are like
• 1:10:22
  Evan: you know genuinely trying to help people but they wouldn't help her and isn't
• 1:10:26
  Evan: that um uh what is her name um,
• 1:10:30
  Evan: she's in the walking dead right melissa mcbride i think there's actually a bunch
• 1:10:34
  Evan: of actors in this who are also in the walking dust oh.
• 1:10:37
  Brandon: Yeah that is melissa mcbride.
• 1:10:38
  Evan: Laurie laurie holden who's also Also in it is in The Walking Dead.
• 1:10:41
  Evan: And then also the guy, Jeffrey DeMunn, who's the guy who like runs into the
• 1:10:48
  Evan: store and is like, there's something in the mist.
• 1:10:50
  Kayt: Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Evan: That guy also is in, I don't know how much of it he was in.
• 1:10:55
  Kayt: He's a very like, oh, that guy, guy. There's a lot of those in this movie. Like so many.
• 1:11:01
  Evan: It is. It is. They were talking about it in like the behind the scenes,
• 1:11:05
  Evan: how the cast is sort of like an ensemble cast.
• 1:11:07
  Evan: and that there's no really one star, just kind of a bunch of people that kind
• 1:11:12
  Evan: of all kind of play their part in it. But I think that's probably true.
• 1:11:17
  Evan: I mean, there's no like super...
• 1:11:20
  Evan: I guess Thomas Jane is probably the biggest one from I think of his movies he's been in a lot of big.
• 1:11:27
  Evan: I guess he's kind of a big star. I don't know. Has he been in anything recently?
• 1:11:30
  Brandon: I'm not good at gauging how big of a star somebody is sometimes.
• 1:11:33
  Brandon: Because if they're in movies that I'm watching, I assume they have failed.
• 1:11:40
  Kayt: I just always think of him as he plays himself in Arrested Development,
• 1:11:45
  Kayt: which is why I'll never forget his name.
• 1:11:47
  Kayt: because he's like Lindsay thinks he's a homeless guy and he's like I'm Tom Jane,
• 1:11:53
  Kayt: and yeah so I'm like I will always remember his name I think.
• 1:11:59
  Brandon: Of him as the guy from The Expanse.
• 1:12:01
  Kayt: Oh yeah also.
• 1:12:02
  Evan: Yeah the guy.
• 1:12:04
  Kayt: In the fedora from The Expanse he's also in Deep Blue Sea.
• 1:12:08
  Evan: Which I.
• 1:12:09
  Kayt: Recently watched again I.
• 1:12:11
  Evan: Think he was also I never actually saw the show but I think he was on the show called Hung
• 1:12:16
  Evan: which i think was like an hbo show from
• 1:12:19
  Evan: i don't know 10 or 12 years ago i think i only know because i mentioned it in
• 1:12:21
  Evan: the in the in the previous uh in the um the notes of but he also was in a bunch
• 1:12:27
  Evan: of like decent movies and when i say decent movies i'd say actually like you
• 1:12:31
  Evan: said um movies that you know actually i just looked at this he was in the buffy
• 1:12:36
  Evan: the vampire slayer oh that's.
• 1:12:38
  Kayt: Right yeah i that's i should that should be my first thing that i say yeah.
• 1:12:43
  Brandon: I'm really disappointed in you you right now.
• 1:12:45
  Kayt: I know we're very you know tv show centric but we should talk.
• 1:12:50
  Evan: About the film.
• 1:12:51
  Kayt: At some point.
• 1:12:52
  Evan: Apparently he was also in boogie nights oh yeah he
• 1:12:55
  Evan: was yeah now that i look at these movies i'm like oh yeah that's like it's as
• 1:13:00
  Evan: you said it's like oh that guy's in it yeah he's like one of the that guys i
• 1:13:03
  Evan: guess you could say yeah the other person who was in it uh that i was thinking
• 1:13:07
  Evan: is the like the guy who played the the guy like the coverall coveralls he's in like a lot of also
• 1:13:13
  Evan: random kinds of things. But yeah. Um,
• 1:13:17
  Evan: I don't think there's any other notes I had about the movie.
• 1:13:20
  Evan: Oh, I guess we should, again, I guess talk about the ending.
• 1:13:23
  Evan: You know, this is probably the furthest in a podcast I've gotten without accidentally
• 1:13:29
  Evan: sort of, I know we've talked about the spoilers in every episode.
• 1:13:32
  Evan: But the ending of this is pretty brutal where you have the, you know,
• 1:13:37
  Evan: I think five of them end up escaping or six of them because there's five bullets in the gun.
• 1:13:43
  Evan: Right? Is that right? Five? five?
• 1:13:45
  Brandon: I think there's five of them and four bullets. Yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Evan: Four bullets. Okay. Four bullets. That's right.
• 1:13:51
  Brandon: I think there's three in the backseat and him in the frontseat with a passenger.
• 1:13:55
  Evan: With a passenger. Who might that be?
• 1:13:59
  Brandon: I don't know.
• 1:14:01
  Evan: Might be his little son, unfortunately. His sweet, sweet son.
• 1:14:05
  Evan: Yeah. At least they had the courtesy of not showing.
• 1:14:09
  Evan: They just had the sound of the bullets ringing out from above.
• 1:14:13
  Evan: above and like i guess they're showing like the monster sort of
• 1:14:16
  Evan: like walking through the you know like jurassic park
• 1:14:20
  Evan: kind of shit like they're just kind of like roaming through the
• 1:14:22
  Evan: countryside just i don't know doing their
• 1:14:25
  Evan: thing and he kills them all and it's it's the the
• 1:14:28
  Evan: book ending is they basically just drive away and
• 1:14:31
  Evan: they not you don't know what happens they hear on the radio like
• 1:14:34
  Evan: something about hartford and presumably they're going to just find
• 1:14:37
  Evan: another place where it might might be safe but you never find out and then this
• 1:14:41
  Evan: you have him shooting all the other people not having a bullet for himself gets
• 1:14:46
  Evan: out of the car and like even this the first time i thought i'm like oh what's
• 1:14:50
  Evan: he how's he gonna kill himself is he gonna like get one of the monsters to eat
• 1:14:52
  Evan: him and then you're like yeah fuck so.
• 1:14:57
  Brandon: I feel like it is a relatively like well-established trope in certain genres
• 1:15:01
  Brandon: especially a post-apocalypse like uh you're you're,
• 1:15:06
  Brandon: breaking into a house looking for supplies and you find the couple
• 1:15:09
  Brandon: that killed themselves in the bedroom because they couldn't face whatever apocalypse
• 1:15:12
  Brandon: is waiting zombie apocalypse I have never seen one that even came close to being
• 1:15:18
  Brandon: as like gut wrenching as this one is like it's yeah he fucking kills his son
• 1:15:24
  Brandon: and then gets rescued Jesus fucking Christ no.
• 1:15:27
  Kayt: It is so fucking bleak and like I it's kind of the same thing with the movie
• 1:15:32
  Kayt: the ending like I I I like the ending for what it does to me emotionally,
• 1:15:39
  Kayt: but I'm not sure I like the implication, I guess, that like the military that
• 1:15:48
  Kayt: fucked them all up gets to also rescue them and be the heroes.
• 1:15:52
  Kayt: Like that's so nihilistic. I don't know.
• 1:15:55
  Brandon: I wouldn't argue that it's not nihilistic, but I'm not going to argue that they were rescued either.
• 1:16:00
  Brandon: Yeah. Four people died and one person is never going to be okay again.
• 1:16:04
  Kayt: That's true i mean he is not i i would just at that point be like don't take
• 1:16:10
  Kayt: me you know like i don't know just like there's no.
• 1:16:12
  Brandon: Path forward for that man.
• 1:16:14
  Kayt: Yeah let the behemoth or whatever actually.
• 1:16:17
  Brandon: The arrival of the military in in the confines of the story condemn him.
• 1:16:22
  Kayt: Yeah because.
• 1:16:23
  Evan: Like and the thing that's also crazy what's up i'm sorry i was just i was just saying it's also.
• 1:16:27
  Kayt: Also.
• 1:16:28
  Evan: You go.
• 1:16:29
  Brandon: I lost my point. Oh, my God.
• 1:16:33
  Kayt: Diabolical.
• 1:16:34
  Evan: I was just going to mention that it's also such a...
• 1:16:39
  Evan: like a brutal shot of the woman where we
• 1:16:41
  Evan: were just talking about who you know who the now i'm
• 1:16:45
  Evan: forgetting the actress's name who is in the walking dead who leaves to get her
• 1:16:49
  Evan: son and her kids at home she's they show her very distinctly on the little rescue
• 1:16:53
  Evan: military shot meaning that she got free so theoretically whoever had gone with
• 1:16:58
  Evan: her if if uh you know jane had gone with
• 1:17:02
  Evan: him with it with his kid they would have been alive maybe yeah um it's amazing
• 1:17:08
  Evan: that she survived like it's it almost seems like that like defies belief almost i.
• 1:17:14
  Brandon: Mean it's not really amazing it's just it's fiction.
• 1:17:16
  Evan: Yeah i.
• 1:17:17
  Kayt: Guess it's just coincidence like she just happened to make it through the mist like and.
• 1:17:24
  Evan: Nobody noticed.
• 1:17:24
  Kayt: Her or whatever i don't know or like they did say that like things get hinkier at night.
• 1:17:31
  Kayt: So I don't know. Maybe she had like a, just like a, a break and didn't realize it.
• 1:17:37
  Evan: Yeah. The little spider things or the whatever else decided they,
• 1:17:42
  Evan: they're eating the military dudes in the, which actually have all the people
• 1:17:46
  Evan: who died, the military people who were in the, the pharmacy definitely were
• 1:17:50
  Evan: the ones who deserved it most.
• 1:17:51
  Evan: They should have, hopefully all of them die later of like some horrific side
• 1:17:55
  Evan: effect of the, all the Agent Orange they were shooting in to kill all the monsters.
• 1:18:03
  Evan: But somehow they were easily able to then defeat the,
• 1:18:07
  Evan: Why were they not ready for them when they first opened the portal to then just like torch them?
• 1:18:11
  Brandon: Again, if you like put yourself in the movie, you can try to open up like parallel
• 1:18:16
  Brandon: universes and not necessarily expect cosmic horrors on the other side.
• 1:18:20
  Kayt: True.
• 1:18:21
  Brandon: Like scientifically speaking, that would probably be the last thing that would actually happen.
• 1:18:25
  Brandon: It would probably like just be some really innocuous like phenomenon of some
• 1:18:29
  Brandon: sort. and then when you're actually given uh you know chaos dinosaurs uh it's
• 1:18:35
  Brandon: it was probably somewhat of a surprise so.
• 1:18:38
  Evan: You're saying it could have been it could have been a fog but instead they got the.
• 1:18:41
  Kayt: Right the fog yeah if it was if they opened up the fog portal it's just zombie
• 1:18:47
  Kayt: sailors and then they but unfortunately they opened up the mist lovecraft portal yeah.
• 1:18:55
  Evan: They got misted instead of fog.
• 1:18:57
  Kayt: Yeah which would have been much less painful worse yeah
• 1:19:01
  Kayt: it seems like i do love that like
• 1:19:03
  Kayt: you know well actually you know what this isn't true
• 1:19:06
  Kayt: but like the part where they they kind of
• 1:19:09
  Kayt: like reveal bigger and bigger and bigger
• 1:19:12
  Kayt: things you know which i always enjoy it's
• 1:19:15
  Kayt: like a very like you said jurassic park kind of thing
• 1:19:18
  Kayt: where like um you get to see
• 1:19:21
  Kayt: like the cycle of life in the mist also you know that like the bugs are just
• 1:19:27
  Kayt: food for like the bigger weirder things and then like eventually you see the
• 1:19:32
  Kayt: giant terrifying like t-rex at the end you know yeah.
• 1:19:39
  Evan: The the reveal of those is kind
• 1:19:41
  Evan: of cool with the the way the monsters are shown it's It's unfortunate.
• 1:19:45
  Evan: Actually, the ones at the end were slightly less annoying CGI-wise, maybe.
• 1:19:52
  Evan: Maybe you're just at the end, you're kind of like, oh, man, hopefully they're
• 1:19:56
  Evan: not going to get away. They're screwed.
• 1:19:59
  Evan: They may as well all just do it. I mean, the other thing, too,
• 1:20:02
  Evan: is why didn't they all just decide to exit the vehicle and then just get eaten together?
• 1:20:06
  Evan: They could have just all died as one, but instead they had to go the individualist route.
• 1:20:11
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 1:20:12
  Evan: Not really, maybe.
• 1:20:12
  Kayt: They could have all been together in a dinosaur's tummy.
• 1:20:16
  Evan: Or they could have, you know, gotten...
• 1:20:20
  Evan: the spider webbed or whatever the the thing or actually probably the worst way
• 1:20:25
  Evan: to go was the the like the checkout girl oh yeah that's got like punctured and
• 1:20:31
  Evan: just like you know got like,
• 1:20:33
  Evan: over botox overload to the face.
• 1:20:35
  Brandon: You're really naming a lot of reasons why they would just kill themselves yeah
• 1:20:39
  Brandon: i'm not gonna say that's what i would do i'm gonna say that if if i am just
• 1:20:42
  Brandon: given a stark choice between like any of those deaths even being like grabbed
• 1:20:47
  Brandon: by a tentacle and just bludgeon to death or a quick shot to the head scientifically
• 1:20:52
  Brandon: a shot to the head is just done yeah it's.
• 1:20:55
  Kayt: A good point yeah because they mass suffering
• 1:20:58
  Kayt: yeah like each animal or whatever creature contains like sort of multiple horrors
• 1:21:04
  Kayt: because you know it's like oh the spider can jump on you and like pinch you
• 1:21:10
  Kayt: or do whatever but it can also like put you in a web it also has like webs made of acid,
• 1:21:18
  Kayt: you know, that like lacerate you and immediately like just like your leg gets necrotic immediately.
• 1:21:25
  Kayt: Like they have so many abilities.
• 1:21:27
  Evan: Yeah, they could just keep you alive for days and days and you would just suffer.
• 1:21:31
  Evan: So I guess I guess you're right. All right, Brandon.
• 1:21:33
  Brandon: I'm not leaning into that too hard because I'm more of the attitude of like,
• 1:21:36
  Brandon: I'm only going to kill myself if my mental health issues get to that point,
• 1:21:40
  Brandon: not because I like can't survive in a situation.
• 1:21:43
  Brandon: I'll go down fighting, but I understand that sort of gut feeling of like,
• 1:21:49
  Brandon: well, it's, it's really, it's the, it's the foundation of cosmic horror.
• 1:21:52
  Brandon: It's, it's in, in, in like unimaginable horrors.
• 1:21:57
  Brandon: Like, do you, do you take the thing that is in, you know, the outcome and it's
• 1:22:02
  Brandon: painless or do you take the outcome that is unknown and potentially horror beyond imagination?
• 1:22:09
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Brandon: Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Kayt: And you can't reason with any
• 1:22:12
  Kayt: of those creatures. It's not like a vampire where they're even humanoid.
• 1:22:18
  Kayt: You don't know what kind of world they just came from, even, with cosmic horror.
• 1:22:25
  Evan: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't blame them.
• 1:22:30
  Evan: But it would have been tough to fight. Because initially, they just see little flying bugs and things.
• 1:22:36
  Evan: But then they see 20 foot, I don't know how tall they were, taller than the
• 1:22:40
  Evan: trees, just these giant monsters.
• 1:22:42
  Evan: And yeah, that's a low, low prospects of survival, but maybe you got some chance.
• 1:22:48
  Evan: Maybe you can eventually get to another town. Maybe you can,
• 1:22:50
  Evan: I don't know, get a boat. I assume they're in Maine.
• 1:22:54
  Evan: They are. I guess it's written by Stephen King.
• 1:22:57
  Brandon: Of course it's in Maine.
• 1:22:57
  Kayt: But shot in like Shreve's port or something.
• 1:23:01
  Brandon: Basically the same thing. Yeah, sure.
• 1:23:05
  Brandon: Okay. Million dollar question. How much different would the ending have been
• 1:23:10
  Brandon: if he shot himself first and then everyone else found out there was only one bullet?
• 1:23:18
  Kayt: It would be a dark comedy.
• 1:23:25
  Brandon: I would need like three to five extra minutes before the army got there where
• 1:23:29
  Brandon: they're just panicking.
• 1:23:33
  Evan: That, that was a, if that ending, I don't think Stephen King would have been too.
• 1:23:39
  Brandon: I don't think I would be either, but it's making a joke about it. It lands pretty good.
• 1:23:46
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  Evan: Yeah. I, uh, I think that's a good one.
• 1:23:51
  Kayt: If you had to pick which one of the creatures was going to kill you,
• 1:24:00
  Kayt: which one would you pick?
• 1:24:02
  Evan: What was the one that ripped the guy in half? Because it seems like that would
• 1:24:05
  Evan: be painful, but it wouldn't take long to die.
• 1:24:09
  Kayt: Yeah, that's just some sort of missed creature that I guess we never get to see, right?
• 1:24:13
  Evan: Yeah, that creature. Is that the same creature that also kills the younger guy
• 1:24:17
  Evan: in the back of the store, presumably, like a tentacled thing?
• 1:24:21
  Kayt: Maybe.
• 1:24:22
  Evan: I think as long as you don't – anything that doesn't eat you.
• 1:24:24
  Evan: Eating you would be the worst because you don't know if it eats you whole and
• 1:24:27
  Evan: then, I don't know, like the thing in the Star Wars where they just digest you
• 1:24:33
  Evan: for the next thousand years or something. You don't want that.
• 1:24:35
  Brandon: Yeah, but at some point, you suffocate or starve to death or something. Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Kayt: I think the spider one would be the worst.
• 1:24:43
  Evan: By far. By far. I would go with just a giant creature in the mist,
• 1:24:48
  Evan: probably, if you're going with one.
• 1:24:49
  Brandon: Yeah, I feel like it's just going to squish you real fast.
• 1:24:51
  Kayt: Yeah, yeah, just step on me. That's fine. We're done.
• 1:24:54
  Evan: Yeah. I think they had other creatures they wanted to use or they had drawn
• 1:25:00
  Evan: or created that they never got to.
• 1:25:02
  Evan: But the ones they use are cool, even if they looked kind of shitty.
• 1:25:07
  Evan: The things flying around and the thing, yeah, it was still cool.
• 1:25:14
  Evan: But either way. Yeah.
• 1:25:17
  Brandon: Now that we've spoiled the end, the true horror of this movie was never in the monsters.
• 1:25:24
  Evan: It's in human nature. Is that what you're going to say?
• 1:25:27
  Brandon: No, it's the fact that that dude killed his son and then it had to live. That was the horror.
• 1:25:32
  Evan: Yeah. I don't think he's going to... I don't think... Yeah, I think you're saying,
• 1:25:35
  Evan: I don't think he would... He probably would look for a gun pretty soon after.
• 1:25:38
  Evan: Isn't the very final shot him like...
• 1:25:39
  Evan: He drops to the ground and he's just screaming. He can't comprehend.
• 1:25:44
  Kayt: The horror i mean talk about yeah like horrors beyond comprehension it's like
• 1:25:49
  Kayt: killing your son thinking you're saving him and then realizing that like you
• 1:25:55
  Kayt: guys would have been fine fine i mean you know relatively probably.
• 1:26:00
  Brandon: Fine other than like you know now like sure you have to live with the knowledge
• 1:26:05
  Brandon: that there's like this other dimension full of horrors but.
• 1:26:08
  Kayt: Like just don't.
• 1:26:08
  Brandon: Open that door again.
• 1:26:09
  Kayt: Yeah well.
• 1:26:10
  Evan: I mean he could he could just turn to you know online therapy.
• 1:26:14
  Kayt: Afterwards.
• 1:26:17
  Evan: To uh to get over his.
• 1:26:19
  Kayt: Trauma or.
• 1:26:20
  Evan: Sorry that's a good callback i.
• 1:26:23
  Kayt: Feel like he becomes yeah that's all yeah like in the mist too he's just like
• 1:26:29
  Kayt: uh it's all about vengeance he's just killing like various military like heads of the military yeah.
• 1:26:37
  Evan: He's like he turns into like a gorilla you know, just killing people. Not a gorilla.
• 1:26:43
  Evan: Covert assassin or something.
• 1:26:46
  Brandon: No, the mist, too. He is a drooling-on-himself, Thorazined-up mess in a white room.
• 1:26:52
  Brandon: And then the mist hits, and they have to find him, because he's the one who
• 1:26:56
  Brandon: dealt with it last time. And it just gets unhinged from there.
• 1:27:01
  Kayt: Yeah, they have to pull him out.
• 1:27:03
  Evan: He's like Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Well, not quite exactly.
• 1:27:06
  Kayt: Or Nancy in The Craft.
• 1:27:08
  Evan: Too. too which is oh.
• 1:27:10
  Kayt: Oh there's a craft too yeah it's not great it's like it's like the craft made
• 1:27:15
  Kayt: for i mean maybe it is good i feel like it's an okay movie just like not for
• 1:27:20
  Kayt: me because it's made for like gen z teenagers you know.
• 1:27:25
  Evan: I didn't know there was a sequel yeah.
• 1:27:27
  Kayt: David dukovny is in it.
• 1:27:29
  Evan: Oh it's recent yeah oh man I like David and I like David Duchovny come on man he's good.
• 1:27:38
  Kayt: At it he's a powerful warlock.
• 1:27:43
  Evan: Really you may have just sold me it made 2 million dollars on a budget of 18
• 1:27:50
  Evan: million well I don't know it.
• 1:27:54
  Brandon: Was an artistic success if not a financial no it wasn't.
• 1:27:59
  Evan: Oh Kylie Spiney Kylie Spaney Spiney I don't know how to pronounce the last name
• 1:28:03
  Evan: was in it i didn't realize that well.
• 1:28:05
  Brandon: I mean i.
• 1:28:05
  Evan: Assumed you.
• 1:28:06
  Brandon: Didn't know that since five minutes ago you didn't.
• 1:28:08
  Evan: Know this movie existed anything you learn about it right now.
• 1:28:11
  Brandon: Is going to be a surprise that's true.
• 1:28:13
  Evan: That's true literally everything is the david dacovny part yeah that's the best
• 1:28:20
  Evan: maybe i'll have to see this movie yeah i'm not i mean i like the craft i mean
• 1:28:25
  Evan: you're not gonna beat that i'm.
• 1:28:26
  Kayt: Not like endorsing it i don't think it's a good movie but I do think it's like
• 1:28:30
  Kayt: a woke witchcraft movie, I guess.
• 1:28:35
  Brandon: What era is that? When did this movie come out?
• 1:28:38
  Kayt: It's recent. It's very recent.
• 1:28:40
  Evan: Four years ago. Four years ago.
• 1:28:45
  Evan: 2020, we're in kind of the era of the like, well, I guess we're still in that
• 1:28:50
  Evan: era of just digging up movies from 20, 25 years ago and just being like, oh, and here's a sequel.
• 1:28:57
  Evan: Maybe we'll end with a better recommendation. So you don't maybe recommend The Craft 2,
• 1:29:03
  Evan: but given that we're getting close to Halloween season,
• 1:29:07
  Evan: which I would argue you could watch Halloween movies all year,
• 1:29:11
  Evan: but if you were to pick one,
• 1:29:13
  Evan: or you can pick more than one of a movie, maybe you would recommend to the listeners
• 1:29:19
  Evan: for this upcoming spooky season.
• 1:29:24
  Evan: So I put you on the spot there.
• 1:29:25
  Brandon: I'm definitely the guy that like, if you ask me like my favorite bands,
• 1:29:29
  Brandon: I can't even think of what type of music I listen to. I know.
• 1:29:32
  Kayt: I do the same.
• 1:29:33
  Evan: Yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Kayt: I'm like, what's a movie?
• 1:29:37
  Kayt: Um, I mean the first craft, how about that?
• 1:29:41
  Evan: Yeah, no, that's a good one, which I think some people forget about.
• 1:29:44
  Kayt: Oh, it's so excellent. And the music is so good. It's so of an era.
• 1:29:49
  Brandon: Um, I don't know. I can only think of like the things that are on my to watch
• 1:29:53
  Brandon: list. Oh, um, I was thinking about re-watching Possession this weekend.
• 1:29:57
  Kayt: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:59
  Evan: That's a good one.
• 1:30:00
  Kayt: Always a good one.
• 1:30:01
  Brandon: You mentioned body horror earlier. I love body horror.
• 1:30:05
  Kayt: Yeah. I guess also in preparation for seeing Alien Romulus, you could watch the OG and Alien too.
• 1:30:16
  Brandon: Yeah.
• 1:30:17
  Kayt: Aliens.
• 1:30:17
  Brandon: Aliens is one of the greats.
• 1:30:19
  Kayt: Yeah.
• 1:30:19
  Brandon: I mean, the original.
• 1:30:20
  Evan: Yeah. that's a yeah i would i would say even though they're not nearly as good
• 1:30:25
  Evan: as the first two i also recently did an episode on the like the two prequels
• 1:30:31
  Evan: prometheus isn't my favorite but alien covenant was actually better than i remember
• 1:30:35
  Evan: it i rewatched it last week and had the same experience,
• 1:30:40
  Evan: it yeah i like i remember when i first saw it thinking it sucked and then i
• 1:30:43
  Evan: watch it again i'm like oh this actually is maybe i just expected it to be like
• 1:30:47
  Evan: as good as the first one so like if If you're going to prepare to go see Alien
• 1:30:51
  Evan: Romulus and you want to just watch all of them,
• 1:30:54
  Evan: you could just watch those and maybe skip Alien 3.
• 1:30:57
  Brandon: Yeah also halloween 3 is a great that's a great halloween movie oh.
• 1:31:01
  Evan: That i just watched it actually recently maybe i don't know two weeks ago and
• 1:31:06
  Evan: i was thinking the same thing thinking you know that is uh one of those what
• 1:31:11
  Evan: like kind of like an anthology vibe where it's you know the same kind of universe but not really.
• 1:31:15
  Brandon: Well uh originally halloween 1 and 2 were supposed
• 1:31:18
  Brandon: to be like direct sequels but everything else after that was supposed to
• 1:31:21
  Brandon: be anthology and then halloween three did so badly that they're like no no more
• 1:31:26
  Brandon: michael myers please but yeah the original intention was it was going to be
• 1:31:30
  Brandon: a different thing every uh every time and oh i didn't realize that no one liked
• 1:31:34
  Brandon: halloween three until like five years ago or something i mean it was longer ago i didn't.
• 1:31:38
  Kayt: See it yeah yeah there are so many yeah there are so many movies that were like
• 1:31:45
  Kayt: big stinkers in the 70s and 80s that i feel like people are looking at now and
• 1:31:50
  Kayt: they're like what what are you talking about? This movie was amazing.
• 1:31:53
  Kayt: Like, um, Oh, another one. It's not Halloween really, but man Hunter. I love that movie.
• 1:32:00
  Evan: I, yeah, I've, I've, I did a, a one on, um, man Hunter double feature with silence
• 1:32:06
  Evan: of the lambs. And I watched man Hunter for the first time since,
• 1:32:09
  Evan: I don't know, like 15 years ago when I've remembered not liking it.
• 1:32:12
  Evan: I'm like, Holy shit. What was I thinking?
• 1:32:14
  Evan: I've watched it. I think two or three times, you know, before that,
• 1:32:17
  Evan: I'm like, I'll watch it again tomorrow. A movie is the movie riffs. Right.
• 1:32:20
  Brandon: I've never seen it, so now I've got to get on that.
• 1:32:22
  Kayt: Oh, yeah, do it.
• 1:32:23
  Evan: Yeah, it's the first Michael Mann, first adaptation of the Hannibal Lecter.
• 1:32:30
  Brandon: I know what it is, I just, I've never seen it.
• 1:32:32
  Evan: Oh, yeah. I would highly recommend that one.
• 1:32:37
  Kayt: It's so high 80s, just amazing lighting.
• 1:32:42
  Kayt: The music is great and weird and synthy. And yeah, that's really good.
• 1:32:47
  Evan: Yeah, and what's-his-name is Tom Noonan is also just top tier in this.
• 1:32:56
  Evan: He's like the – he plays the Tooth Fairy, the bad guy.
• 1:32:59
  Kayt: Oh, yeah. He's another great that guy.
• 1:33:03
  Evan: Yeah. He's in a bunch of – well, I guess he's in a bunch of Michael Mann movies,
• 1:33:08
  Evan: but yeah. I would say, yeah.
• 1:33:10
  Evan: No one has ever gone wrong watching Manhunter. so i would um i would um second that one but.
• 1:33:18
  Brandon: One of my vans was almost a tv show manhunt no my oh it's a mindhunter i don't know mindhunter.
• 1:33:26
  Evan: Mindhunter was that one that.
• 1:33:26
  Brandon: Got canceled right that was my van almost got in that movie oh that's cool um
• 1:33:33
  Brandon: there's a small film industry here i've worked in it a little bit and i walked
• 1:33:36
  Brandon: outside to the grocery store to someone putting a note under my...
• 1:33:40
  Brandon: It's from the... My van's from the 60s. Oh.
• 1:33:42
  Brandon: And they needed like period correct stuff. And she was like,
• 1:33:45
  Brandon: we would really like... But I assumed it would pay like $20 a day or something
• 1:33:49
  Brandon: stupid. So I never followed it up.
• 1:33:50
  Brandon: And then once I got into film, they were like, no, they'll give you like a few
• 1:33:53
  Brandon: hundred dollars a day. I'm like, God damn it.
• 1:33:55
  Evan: Damn.
• 1:33:56
  Brandon: Yeah, whatever.
• 1:33:56
  Kayt: Now you know.
• 1:33:58
  Evan: You missed your...
• 1:33:59
  Brandon: So it's the rule of my cars is they can only cost me money.
• 1:34:05
  Evan: But yeah, Katie... I just said Katie. That's okay. I meant Kate. Apologies.
• 1:34:09
  Evan: But Kate and Brendan, I appreciate you coming on to talk about weather phenomenons.
• 1:34:16
  Evan: Mists and fogs.
• 1:34:18
  Kayt: Yeah, it's a good time.
• 1:34:20
  Evan: I said. I promise no one will have to hear any more weather related jokes,
• 1:34:25
  Evan: except for in the opening when I record that later. And you'll be,
• 1:34:30
  Evan: bombarded with i.
• 1:34:30
  Brandon: Don't care whether i do or not.
• 1:34:35
  Evan: You forgot to wait for me to drink drink some water there
• 1:34:38
  Evan: i would have spit it out all over the
• 1:34:41
  Evan: screen unfortunately but yeah so and i guess um where can well you already told
• 1:34:47
  Evan: everyone about your podcast but uh i assume they can obviously find them on
• 1:34:52
  Evan: any podcast platform but do you have Have any other places or your own social
• 1:34:59
  Evan: media you'd want to share.
• 1:35:00
  Evan: And I'll also put them in the links as well, the notes, links.
• 1:35:06
  Brandon: Follow Cars and Comrades on any relevant social media.
• 1:35:10
  Brandon: Our account's good enough that my friends don't realize I have a podcast and
• 1:35:14
  Brandon: they're like, oh, this seems relevant to you and send me memes from our account.
• 1:35:18
  Kayt: That's cool.
• 1:35:19
  Evan: That's fair.
• 1:35:19
  Kayt: That's my dream of having your podcast. cat yes i would love to have.
• 1:35:26
  Brandon: A friend um.
• 1:35:27
  Kayt: It's yeah it's gonna happen i think someday it.
• 1:35:33
  Brandon: Took me a while you'll get there thank.
• 1:35:35
  Kayt: You but yeah like a podcast a podcast uh twitter um handle that like posts interesting
• 1:35:43
  Kayt: things besides just like marketing your podcast.
• 1:35:47
  Brandon: Is pretty amazing in real time i just
• 1:35:50
  Brandon: realized that okay every presidential cycle i tried
• 1:35:53
  Brandon: to immediately get a twitter account with a
• 1:35:56
  Brandon: name like uh vp tim walls or something okay that seems really official with
• 1:36:01
  Brandon: like this long drawn out plan uh where i'm gonna try and get a bunch of followers
• 1:36:05
  Brandon: to for people thinking it's that account and then turn it into like something
• 1:36:08
  Brandon: just real weird but i just realized i forgot to do it this time they've already
• 1:36:12
  Brandon: announced uh walls and i fucking forgot god damn it no.
• 1:36:16
  Kayt: I'm sure you could find something i.
• 1:36:18
  Brandon: Lost the the like login for it but I used to have VP Kamala Harris or something like that.
• 1:36:25
  Brandon: I had Tim Kaine. I've done this a few times.
• 1:36:29
  Brandon: never works out good bit i.
• 1:36:31
  Evan: Think i i think i think you've actually done it you're just you're you're is
• 1:36:35
  Evan: this part of the bit where you tell everyone that you didn't do it but you've
• 1:36:37
  Evan: already done it no just to hide this is the part of the bit where i'm really bad at.
• 1:36:42
  Brandon: The internet and i'll come up with a good idea and then just forget to do it
• 1:36:45
  Brandon: yeah i've never even logged into our meme account.
• 1:36:48
  Evan: Fair enough um.
• 1:36:51
  Kayt: Yeah you can just find me uh on fang's podcast on all
• 1:36:57
  Kayt: of the socials and or tender subject
• 1:37:00
  Kayt: on all the socials and then i'm an
• 1:37:03
  Kayt: artist um i make
• 1:37:06
  Kayt: a lot of collages and i do a collage for every episode
• 1:37:09
  Kayt: of tender subject i'm super
• 1:37:13
  Kayt: behind because i got an actual paying art
• 1:37:17
  Kayt: job for a little while um so
• 1:37:19
  Kayt: i have to work on that but so I'm always really excited and actually I one more
• 1:37:25
  Kayt: like little thing that's exciting I'm gonna be I did a collage for Texas Chainsaw
• 1:37:30
  Kayt: Massacre and someone spotted it and they're putting it in a collection of essays,
• 1:37:38
  Kayt: about Texas Chainsaw Massacre that's gonna come out in October so yeah that's really cool yeah I.
• 1:37:46
  Evan: Like to read that book too and also see the yeah that was my episode this week oh.
• 1:37:53
  Kayt: Yeah that's right.
• 1:37:54
  Evan: Well although if you're listening right now that was an episode several months
• 1:37:59
  Evan: ago but listening in real time it was this week and it was on purpose because
• 1:38:04
  Evan: the movie takes place on august 18th so i almost released it on august 18th
• 1:38:09
  Evan: anyway and it's their big anniversary thanks you uh both oh it's.
• 1:38:13
  Kayt: Like their big anniversary 50 is that right.
• 1:38:17
  Evan: Oh 50 years yeah 1974 yeah anyone who hasn't seen the Texas Massacre you should
• 1:38:23
  Evan: also go watch that movie yeah but yeah and you can follow this podcast on all
• 1:38:27
  Evan: the podcast places the same,
• 1:38:30
  Evan: left of the projector pod and we will catch you next time.