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Exploring the Global Influence of Gospel Music · Music Explored Podcast

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  Is
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  not
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  all
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  black.
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  Right.
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  So
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  it's
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  even
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  just
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  the
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  look
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  of
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  it.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  For
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  places
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  we
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  go,
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  it's
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  like,
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  whoa,
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  you
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  guys
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  mix.
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  Yeah,
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  those
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  guys
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  are
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  together.
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  Like,
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  they're
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  doing
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  their
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  thing.
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  You
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  think
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  in
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  Europe,
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  coming
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  in
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  with.
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  With.
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  With
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  mixed
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  members
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  in
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  the
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  group
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  is
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  more
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  unusual
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  and
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  interesting
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  to.
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  To
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  people
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  in
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  Eastern
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  Europe
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  than
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  if
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  it
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  was
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  all
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  black
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  singers?
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  Yes,
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  in
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  certain
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  places,
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  for
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  sure.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  And,
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  yeah,
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  I
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  think
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  just
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  the
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  fact
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  that
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  we
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  are.
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  Because
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  almost
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  every
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  country
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  we
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  went
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  to,
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  there's
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  probably
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  somebody
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  in
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  our
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  choir
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  who's
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  from
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  it,
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  if
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  you
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean?
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  So
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  we
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  can
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  make
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  those
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  connections
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  as
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  well.
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  And
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  often
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  when
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  we
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  go,
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  we
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  would
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  also
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  translate
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  our
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  music,
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  translate
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  or
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  transcribe,
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  whatever
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  our
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  language.
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  So
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  we
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  would
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  do
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  a
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  song,
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  and
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  then
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  maybe
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  the
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  chorus
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  we
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  would
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  translate
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  into
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  Polish
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  or
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  to.
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  Or
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  to
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  Romania,
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  Romanian,
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  in
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  order
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  to
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  sing
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  something.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  so
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  cool
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  because
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  you'd
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  be
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  singing
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  your
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  songs
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  and
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  then
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  you'd
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  hit
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  their
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  language
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  and
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  people
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  would
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  boom.
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  It's
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  like,
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  wow.
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  You
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean?
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  That's
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  always
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  great
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  just
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  to
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  see
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  them,
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  like,
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  get
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  so
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  excited.
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  They're
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  actually
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  singing
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  our.
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  Do
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  you
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  have
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  something
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  for
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  us
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  in
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  Romanian
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  right
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  now?
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  Oh,
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  Lord,
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  no.
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  That
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  was
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  so
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  long
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  ago.
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  I
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  love
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  how
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  you
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  light
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  up
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  when
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  you
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  talk
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  about
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  these
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  stories.
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  Basically
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  everything
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  to
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  do
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  with
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  the
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  choir
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  and
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  music.
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  Oh,
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  yes.
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  Oh,
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  yes.
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  Oh,
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  yes.
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  And
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  I'll
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  just
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  put
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  as
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  an
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  aside
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  that
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  I've
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  been
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  to
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  Poland
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  six
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  times.
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  Once
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  with
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  the.
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  Twice
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  with
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  the
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  choir
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  and
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  once.
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  And
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  all
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  the
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  rest
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  of
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  the
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  times
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  as
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  a
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  clinician.
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  And
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  they
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  love
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  gospel
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  music
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  in
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  Poland.
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  Oh,
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  my
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  word.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  So.
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  And
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  when
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  I
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  go
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  there,
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  I'm
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  working
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  with
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  choirs
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  of
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  400,
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  500
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  people
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  at
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  a
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  time.
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  600
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  people
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  that
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  are
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  from
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  there.
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  That
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  are
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  from
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  there.
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  Wow.
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  You
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  know,
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  Canada,
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  you
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  have
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  a.
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  You
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  know,
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  you
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  have
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  a
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  workshop.
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  You
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  know,
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  you
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  might
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  get
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  fifty
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  hundred
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  people
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  there.
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  There's
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  hundreds
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  and
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  hundreds.
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  They
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  just
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  run
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  gospel
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  music.
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  Whoosh.
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  So.
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  So
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  that's
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  cool.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  around
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  the
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  world
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  think
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  if
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  you
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  don't
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  go
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  to
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  the
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  States,
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  you're
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  not
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  doing
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  anything
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  right.
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  But
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  we've
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  long
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  time
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  out,
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  figured
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  out
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  that
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  the
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  world
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  is
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  our
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  audience.
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  It's
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  not
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  just
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  one
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  country.
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  And.
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  And
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  they.
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  They
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  love
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  it
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  so
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  much
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  and
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  appreciate
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  it
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  so
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  much.
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  So
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  I.
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  We've
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  enjoyed
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  those
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  times,
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  so
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  that's
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  why
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  I
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  light
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  up.
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  That's
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  incredible.
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  Americans
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  definitely
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  do
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  get
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  a
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  different
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  type
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  of
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  recognition,
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  probably
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  in
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  all
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  genres
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  of
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  music.
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  But
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  I
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  saw
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  a
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  picture
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  of
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  you
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  with
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  Yolanda
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  Adams,
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  Bobby
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  Jones,
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  oh,
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  that
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  was
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  some
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  other
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  great
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  names.
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  Yeah.
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  You
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  didn't
• 2:28
  look
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  out
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  of
• 2:29
  place
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  or
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  you
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  were
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  just
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  in
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  there
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  for
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  the.
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  No,
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  but
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  I
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  was.
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  I
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  was
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  pinching
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  myself
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  the
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  whole
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  time.
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  I
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  spent
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  a
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  week.
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  Well,
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  was
• 2:35
  it
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  a
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  week
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  before?
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  Four
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  days.
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  And
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  there
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  was.
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  I
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  was
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  invited
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  to
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  a
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  very.
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  It
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  was
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  an
• 2:41
  invitation
• 2:42
  only
• 2:43
  conference
• 2:43
  with
• 2:43
  B.
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  Michael
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  McKay.
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  And
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  there
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  was
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  only
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  75
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  of
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  us,
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  and
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  I
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  was
• 2:47
  only
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  one
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  of
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  two
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  Canadians.
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  Everybody
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  else
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  was
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  American.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  And
• 2:51
  so
• 2:51
  being
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  there,
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  I
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  mean,
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  at
• 2:53
  one
• 2:53
  point
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  I
• 2:54
  had
• 2:54
  Patrick
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  Henderson
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  sitting
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  on
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  one
• 2:55
  side
• 2:55
  and
• 2:55
  Bobby
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  Jones
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  sitting
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  on
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  the
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  other
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  side.
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  And
• 2:57
  I
• 2:58
  was
• 2:58
  just
• 2:58
  sitting
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  there
• 2:58
  going,
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  am
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  I
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  in
• 2:59
  an
• 2:59
  alternate
• 2:59
  reality
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  right
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  now?
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  Like,
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  these
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  are
• 3:02
  people
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  I
• 3:02
  just
• 3:02
  have
• 3:02
  heard
• 3:03
  about,
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  right.
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  And
• 3:03
  they're
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  talking
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  to
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  me.
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  Hey,
• 3:04
  Karen,
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  how
• 3:05
  you
• 3:05
  doing?
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  You
• 3:06
  know,
• 3:06
  I'm
• 3:07
  like,
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  well,
• 3:07
  this
• 3:07
  is
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  cool.
• 3:08
  You
• 3:08
  belong
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  there.
• 3:09
  That
• 3:09
  says
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  something.
• 3:10
  That
• 3:10
  says
• 3:10
  a
• 3:10
  lot,
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  actually.
• 3:11
  But
• 3:11
  it
• 3:11
  was
• 3:11
  tremendous
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  time.
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  My
• 3:13
  father
• 3:14
  was
• 3:14
  wonderful.
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  So
• 3:15
  we're
• 3:16
  still
• 3:16
  very
• 3:16
  close.
• 3:17
  That
• 3:17
  time
• 3:18
  was
• 3:18
  very
• 3:18
  close
• 3:20
  for
• 3:20
  bonding
• 3:21
  for
• 3:21
  all
• 3:21
  of
• 3:21
  us
• 3:22
  and.
• 3:23
  Yeah,
• 3:24
  it
• 3:24
  was.
• 3:25
  Yeah.
• 3:26
  Still
• 3:26
  puts
• 3:26
  a
• 3:26
  big
• 3:26
  smile
• 3:27
  on
• 3:27
  my
• 3:27
  face.
• 3:27
  Yeah,
• 3:27
  for
• 3:28
  sure.
• 3:28
  Imagine
• 3:28
  so.
• 3:29
  Wow,
• 3:29
  you
• 3:30
  do
• 3:30
  so
• 3:30
  much
• 3:30
  for
• 3:30
  so
• 3:31
  many
• 3:31
  people.
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  I
• 3:32
  wanted
• 3:32
  to
• 3:33
  ask
• 3:33
  you
• 3:33
  about
• 3:33
  the
• 3:33
  Power
• 3:34
  up
• 3:34
  conference
• 3:35
  that
• 3:35
  you
• 3:35
  do.
• 3:35
  Yes,
• 3:36
  that's
• 3:36
  a
• 3:36
  part
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  teaching.
• 3:37
  You've
• 3:38
  kind
• 3:38
  of.
• 3:38
  Well,
• 3:39
  I'll
• 3:39
  let
• 3:39
  you
• 3:39
  explain
• 3:39
  it,
• 3:39
  but
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  it
• 3:40
  seems
• 3:40
  like
• 3:40
  you've
• 3:41
  kind
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  meshed
• 3:42
  gospel
• 3:42
  music
• 3:42
  with
• 3:43
  just
• 3:43
  music
• 3:44
  and
• 3:44
  musicianship
• 3:45
  and
• 3:46
  learning.
• 3:46
  Can
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  tell
• 3:46
  us
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  little
• 3:47
  bit
• 3:47
  about
• 3:47
  how
• 3:47
  that
• 3:48
  came
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  be
• 3:48
  and
• 3:48
  exactly
• 3:49
  what
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  do
• 3:49
  there?
• 3:50
  Yeah,
• 3:50
  for
• 3:51
  several
• 3:51
  years.
• 3:51
  I'd
• 3:51
  say
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  about
• 3:52
  25
• 3:52
  years
• 3:53
  now,
• 3:54
  I
• 3:55
  get
• 3:55
  invited
• 3:55
  to
• 3:56
  go
• 3:56
  to
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  present
• 3:57
  gospel
• 3:58
  choir
• 3:59
  in
• 3:59
  workshops,
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  wherever.
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  Right.
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  And
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  was
• 4:01
  telling
• 4:02
  my
• 4:03
  team,
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  know,
• 4:04
  people
• 4:04
  actually,
• 4:05
  like,
• 4:05
  pay
• 4:06
  me
• 4:06
  to
• 4:06
  come
• 4:06
  and
• 4:07
  teach
• 4:08
  them
• 4:08
  gospel
• 4:08
  music.
• 4:09
  Did
• 4:09
  you
• 4:09
  think
• 4:09
  we
• 4:09
  could
• 4:09
  maybe
• 4:10
  get
• 4:10
  people
• 4:10
  to
• 4:10
  come
• 4:10
  and
• 4:10
  pay
• 4:11
  us,
• 4:11
  you
• 4:12
  know,
• 4:12
  like,
• 4:12
  come?
• 4:13
  And
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  said,
• 4:14
  let's
• 4:14
  try
• 4:14
  it.
• 4:15
  So
• 4:15
  in
• 4:15
  2005,
• 4:16
  we
• 4:16
  did
• 4:16
  the
• 4:17
  first
• 4:17
  one
• 4:17
  and
• 4:18
  people
• 4:18
  actually
• 4:18
  came
• 4:19
  and
• 4:19
  until
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  choir
• 4:20
  saw
• 4:20
  it,
• 4:21
  because
• 4:21
  they
• 4:21
  didn't
• 4:21
  understand
• 4:21
  what
• 4:22
  I
• 4:22
  was
• 4:22
  talking
• 4:22
  about.
• 4:22
  They
• 4:23
  didn't
• 4:23
  understand
• 4:23
  what
• 4:24
  the
• 4:24
  concept
• 4:25
  of
• 4:25
  a
• 4:25
  worker
• 4:25
  workshop,
• 4:26
  you
• 4:26
  know,
• 4:26
  and
• 4:27
  so
• 4:27
  once
• 4:27
  they
• 4:27
  saw
• 4:27
  that
• 4:28
  people
• 4:28
  enjoyed
• 4:28
  it,
• 4:29
  then
• 4:29
  we
• 4:29
  just
• 4:29
  kept
• 4:29
  doing
• 4:30
  it.
• 4:30
  And
• 4:31
  so
• 4:31
  we
• 4:31
  just
• 4:31
  had
• 4:31
  the
• 4:33
  16th
• 4:33
  annual.
• 4:34
  So
• 4:34
  we've
• 4:34
  done
• 4:34
  it
• 4:34
  for
• 4:35
  16
• 4:35
  years
• 4:35
  now.
• 4:36
  Nice.
• 4:36
  And
• 4:37
  the.
• 4:38
  The
• 4:38
  idea
• 4:39
  of
• 4:40
  anybody
• 4:41
  doesn't
• 4:42
  have
• 4:42
  to
• 4:42
  be
• 4:42
  Christians,
• 4:42
  doesn't
• 4:43
  have
• 4:43
  to
• 4:43
  even
• 4:43
  be
• 4:43
  musicians.
• 4:44
  It's
• 4:44
  just
• 4:44
  anybody
• 4:44
  who
• 4:45
  loves
• 4:45
  gospel
• 4:45
  music
• 4:45
  can
• 4:46
  come
• 4:46
  to
• 4:46
  this
• 4:46
  conference
• 4:47
  and
• 4:47
  can
• 4:48
  take
• 4:48
  classes
• 4:50
  and
• 4:51
  like,
• 4:51
  there's
• 4:52
  only
• 4:52
  over
• 4:52
  20,
• 4:53
  25
• 4:53
  workshops
• 4:54
  that
• 4:54
  are
• 4:54
  offered.
• 4:55
  They
• 4:55
  can
• 4:55
  come,
• 4:56
  they
• 4:56
  can
• 4:56
  learn
• 4:56
  about
• 4:56
  it.
• 4:57
  They
• 4:57
  can
• 4:58
  learn
• 4:58
  about
• 4:58
  it
• 4:58
  from
• 4:58
  people
• 4:59
  who
• 4:59
  are
• 4:59
  experts
• 5:00
  in
• 5:00
  what
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  do,
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  then
• 5:01
  they
• 5:01
  actually
• 5:02
  get
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  chance
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  perform.
• 5:03
  So
• 5:04
  they
• 5:04
  can
• 5:04
  choose
• 5:05
  workshops,
• 5:05
  they
• 5:05
  can
• 5:05
  take
• 5:06
  these
• 5:06
  workshops,
• 5:06
  but
• 5:07
  they
• 5:07
  can
• 5:07
  also
• 5:08
  join
• 5:09
  in
• 5:09
  this
• 5:09
  choir,
• 5:10
  big
• 5:10
  choir,
• 5:11
  which
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  teach
• 5:11
  over
• 5:11
  the
• 5:12
  weekend,
• 5:12
  and
• 5:12
  I'll
• 5:12
  teach
• 5:13
  them
• 5:13
  about
• 5:13
  four
• 5:13
  or
• 5:13
  five
• 5:14
  songs
• 5:14
  through
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  weekend.
• 5:15
  And
• 5:15
  then
• 5:16
  at
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  very
• 5:16
  last
• 5:17
  thing
• 5:17
  we
• 5:17
  do
• 5:17
  is
• 5:17
  we
• 5:17
  come
• 5:18
  together
• 5:18
  in
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  huge
• 5:19
  mass
• 5:19
  choir
• 5:20
  concert.
• 5:20
  Yeah.
• 5:21
  And
• 5:22
  usually
• 5:22
  we
• 5:22
  have
• 5:22
  a
• 5:23
  choir
• 5:23
  of
• 5:23
  about
• 5:24
  150.
• 5:25
  And
• 5:27
  it
• 5:27
  is.
• 5:27
  It's
• 5:28
  always
• 5:28
  off
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  chain.
• 5:30
  And
• 5:31
  people.
• 5:32
  What
• 5:32
  I
• 5:32
  love
• 5:32
  is
• 5:32
  the
• 5:33
  people
• 5:33
  who
• 5:33
  aren't.
• 5:34
  And
• 5:35
  that's
• 5:35
  most
• 5:35
  Canadians.
• 5:36
  No
• 5:36
  experience
• 5:36
  with
• 5:37
  gossip
• 5:37
  music.
• 5:37
  Right.
• 5:38
  That,
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  just
• 5:38
  are
• 5:39
  just
• 5:39
  like
• 5:39
  blown
• 5:40
  away.
• 5:40
  And
• 5:41
  they
• 5:41
  come
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  they're
• 5:41
  like,
• 5:41
  oh,
• 5:42
  this
• 5:42
  was
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  best
• 5:42
  thing
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  ever
• 5:43
  did.
• 5:43
  Oh,
• 5:44
  you
• 5:45
  know,
• 5:45
  so.
• 5:46
  And
• 5:46
  young
• 5:46
  and
• 5:46
  old
• 5:47
  doesn't
• 5:47
  matter.
• 5:47
  Right.
• 5:48
  And
• 5:48
  all
• 5:48
  types
• 5:49
  of
• 5:49
  different
• 5:49
  people.
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  mean,
• 5:51
  every
• 5:51
  kind
• 5:51
  of
• 5:52
  person
• 5:52
  you
• 5:52
  can
• 5:52
  think
• 5:52
  of
• 5:53
  comes
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  this
• 5:54
  conference.
• 5:54
  And
• 5:55
  so
• 5:55
  we
• 5:56
  are
• 5:56
  going
• 5:56
  to
• 5:56
  go
• 5:56
  online
• 5:57
  with
• 5:57
  it
• 5:57
  this
• 5:57
  year.
• 5:58
  It's
• 5:59
  always
• 5:59
  held
• 5:59
  in
• 5:59
  February.
• 6:00
  And
• 6:00
  about
• 6:01
  10
• 6:01
  years
• 6:01
  ago,
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  went
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  my
• 6:03
  chair
• 6:03
  of
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  music
• 6:04
  department
• 6:04
  at
• 6:05
  York
• 6:05
  and
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  said,
• 6:06
  I
• 6:06
  asked
• 6:06
  them
• 6:06
  if
• 6:06
  we
• 6:07
  could
• 6:07
  have
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  conference
• 6:08
  at
• 6:08
  York
• 6:09
  and
• 6:10
  they
• 6:10
  said
• 6:10
  yes.
• 6:11
  And
• 6:11
  so
• 6:11
  that
• 6:11
  was
• 6:12
  a
• 6:12
  turning
• 6:13
  point
• 6:13
  because
• 6:13
  now
• 6:14
  we
• 6:14
  didn't
• 6:14
  have
• 6:14
  to
• 6:14
  be
• 6:15
  just
• 6:15
  in
• 6:15
  a
• 6:15
  church
• 6:16
  where
• 6:16
  there's
• 6:16
  minimal
• 6:16
  space
• 6:17
  and
• 6:17
  we
• 6:17
  could
• 6:17
  start
• 6:18
  offering
• 6:18
  instrumental
• 6:18
  classes,
• 6:19
  which
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  can't
• 6:19
  do
• 6:20
  in
• 6:20
  a
• 6:21
  small
• 6:21
  venue.
• 6:22
  Right.
• 6:22
  And
• 6:23
  they
• 6:23
  have
• 6:23
  a
• 6:23
  keyboard
• 6:24
  lab
• 6:24
  there.
• 6:24
  They
• 6:24
  have,
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  know,
• 6:25
  a
• 6:26
  grand
• 6:26
  piano
• 6:26
  in
• 6:26
  every
• 6:26
  room.
• 6:27
  And
• 6:27
  so.
• 6:28
  So
• 6:28
  it
• 6:28
  just
• 6:29
  took
• 6:29
  on
• 6:29
  a
• 6:29
  whole
• 6:29
  new
• 6:30
  life.
• 6:31
  And
• 6:31
  we're
• 6:31
  able
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  have
• 6:31
  more
• 6:32
  people.
• 6:32
  And.
• 6:33
  And
• 6:34
  then
• 6:34
  instead
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  us
• 6:35
  teaching
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  workshops,
• 6:36
  we
• 6:36
  have,
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:37
  invite.
• 6:37
  We
• 6:37
  invite
• 6:38
  all
• 6:38
  these
• 6:38
  people
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  come.
• 6:38
  So
• 6:39
  it's
• 6:39
  become
• 6:39
  quite
• 6:39
  a
• 6:40
  thing.
• 6:40
  It's
• 6:40
  our.
• 6:41
  It's
• 6:41
  our
• 6:41
  gift
• 6:41
  to
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  world.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:43
  we're
• 6:43
  going
• 6:43
  to
• 6:44
  this
• 6:45
  year
• 6:45
  online.
• 6:45
  Not.
• 6:46
  It
• 6:46
  won't
• 6:46
  be,
• 6:46
  obviously,
• 6:47
  like
• 6:47
  everything
• 6:47
  else,
• 6:47
  it
• 6:47
  won't
• 6:47
  look
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  same,
• 6:48
  but
• 6:49
  it
• 6:49
  will
• 6:49
  give
• 6:49
  us
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  opportunity
• 6:50
  to
• 6:51
  do
• 6:51
  some
• 6:51
  things
• 6:52
  that
• 6:52
  we
• 6:53
  couldn't
• 6:53
  do
• 6:53
  because
• 6:53
  we're
• 6:53
  going
• 6:53
  to
• 6:54
  be
• 6:54
  online.
• 6:54
  Right.
• 6:55
  So
• 6:55
  I'm
• 6:55
  looking
• 6:56
  forward
• 6:56
  to
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  challenge,
• 6:58
  as
• 6:58
  we
• 6:58
  all
• 6:59
  are.
• 6:59
  Have
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  pivot
• 7:00
  and
• 7:00
  adjust.
• 7:01
  And
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  said
• 7:01
  anyone
• 7:01
  can
• 7:02
  sign
• 7:02
  up
• 7:02
  for
• 7:02
  anybody.
• 7:03
  And
• 7:03
  what's
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  website?
• 7:05
  I
• 7:05
  mean,
• 7:05
  we'll
• 7:05
  shut
• 7:05
  it
• 7:06
  out
• 7:06
  later.
• 7:06
  Sure.
• 7:06
  It's
• 7:07
  PowerUpGospel
• 7:08
  CA.
• 7:09
  Okay.
• 7:09
  And
• 7:10
  I
• 7:10
  think
• 7:10
  some
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  information
• 7:11
  from
• 7:11
  2020
• 7:12
  might
• 7:12
  still
• 7:12
  be
• 7:12
  up
• 7:13
  there
• 7:13
  so
• 7:13
  people
• 7:13
  can
• 7:13
  kind
• 7:13
  of
• 7:14
  see
• 7:14
  what
• 7:14
  it
• 7:14
  is.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  course,
• 7:15
  there's
• 7:16
  2015.
• 7:17
  We
• 7:17
  did
• 7:17
  a
• 7:17
  live
• 7:17
  recording.
• 7:18
  And.
• 7:19
  And
• 7:20
  so
• 7:20
  that
• 7:20
  album
• 7:20
  Came
• 7:20
  out
• 7:21
  and,
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  there's
• 7:22
  video
• 7:22
  of
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  up
• 7:22
  there
• 7:23
  as
• 7:23
  well.
• 7:23
  Awesome.
• 7:23
  Check
• 7:24
  it
• 7:24
  out.
• 7:26
  I
• 7:26
  had
• 7:26
  asked
• 7:26
  you
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  question
• 7:27
  earlier
• 7:27
  about
• 7:28
  what
• 7:28
  you
• 7:28
  love.
• 7:29
  Like,
• 7:29
  what's
• 7:30
  your
• 7:30
  favorite
• 7:30
  thing
• 7:31
  about
• 7:31
  conducting?
• 7:32
  What
• 7:32
  do
• 7:32
  you
• 7:32
  hate
• 7:32
  the
• 7:33
  most
• 7:33
  about
• 7:33
  conducting
• 7:34
  a
• 7:34
  large
• 7:34
  choir?
• 7:35
  What
• 7:36
  do
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  hate
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  most?
• 7:37
  Just
• 7:37
  in
• 7:37
  general,
• 7:38
  what
• 7:38
  do
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  hate
• 7:38
  the
• 7:38
  most?
• 7:39
  Like
• 7:39
  touring,
• 7:40
  recording,
• 7:41
  people.
• 7:42
  Well,
• 7:43
  recording
• 7:43
  is
• 7:43
  tough.
• 7:44
  Recording
• 7:44
  is
• 7:44
  tough.
• 7:44
  But
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  love
• 7:45
  people,
• 7:45
  right?
• 7:46
  So
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  like
• 7:46
  meeting
• 7:47
  people
• 7:47
  and,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  know,
• 7:49
  hanging
• 7:49
  out
• 7:49
  with
• 7:50
  them.
• 7:50
  So
• 7:50
  that's
• 7:50
  not
• 7:50
  it.
• 7:51
  Sometimes,
• 7:51
  you
• 7:52
  know,
• 7:52
  just
• 7:52
  like
• 7:52
  everything
• 7:53
  else,
• 7:53
  if
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  have
• 7:53
  a
• 7:53
  big
• 7:54
  group
• 7:54
  of
• 7:54
  people,
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  know,
• 7:55
  there's
• 7:56
  going
• 7:56
  to
• 7:56
  be
• 7:56
  sometimes
• 7:56
  a
• 7:56
  little
• 7:56
  drama,
• 7:57
  you
• 7:57
  know,
• 7:58
  but
• 7:58
  you,
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:59
  if
• 7:59
  you're
• 7:59
  mature
• 7:59
  and
• 8:00
  you,
• 8:00
  you
• 8:00
  know
• 8:00
  what
• 8:00
  you're
• 8:01
  there
• 8:01
  about,
• 8:01
  you
• 8:01
  can
• 8:01
  always
• 8:02
  find
• 8:02
  a
• 8:02
  way
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  work
• 8:02
  those
• 8:03
  things
• 8:03
  through.
• 8:03
  Just
• 8:03
  keep
• 8:04
  redirecting
• 8:05
  people
• 8:05
  back
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  big
• 8:06
  picture
• 8:06
  and,
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  figuring
• 8:07
  out
• 8:08
  and
• 8:08
  knowing
• 8:08
  your,
• 8:09
  your,
• 8:09
  who
• 8:09
  your
• 8:09
  coursers
• 8:10
  are.
• 8:10
  You
• 8:10
  know,
• 8:10
  there'll
• 8:11
  be
• 8:11
  those
• 8:11
  people
• 8:11
  that.
• 8:12
  They'll
• 8:12
  be
• 8:12
  fine.
• 8:12
  They're
• 8:13
  very
• 8:13
  even
• 8:13
  keeled
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  nothing
• 8:15
  phases
• 8:15
  them.
• 8:15
  There'll
• 8:16
  be
• 8:16
  the.
• 8:16
  Some
• 8:16
  people,
• 8:16
  though,
• 8:16
  that,
• 8:17
  hey,
• 8:17
  if
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  don't
• 8:17
  say
• 8:17
  hi
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  them,
• 8:18
  oh,
• 8:19
  it's
• 8:19
  major
• 8:19
  disrespect.
• 8:20
  So
• 8:20
  I
• 8:20
  have
• 8:20
  to
• 8:20
  make
• 8:20
  sure
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  just
• 8:21
  touch
• 8:21
  them
• 8:21
  on
• 8:21
  the
• 8:22
  shoulder
• 8:22
  when
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  walk
• 8:23
  by,
• 8:23
  recognize
• 8:24
  it.
• 8:24
  You
• 8:24
  know,
• 8:24
  Some
• 8:25
  people,
• 8:25
  people
• 8:25
  need
• 8:26
  different
• 8:26
  things.
• 8:26
  So
• 8:27
  you
• 8:27
  just
• 8:27
  have
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  be
• 8:27
  aware
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  just
• 8:29
  go
• 8:29
  with
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  flow.
• 8:29
  And
• 8:30
  people
• 8:30
  are.
• 8:30
  People
• 8:31
  could
• 8:31
  listen,
• 8:31
  people
• 8:31
  could
• 8:32
  do
• 8:32
  whatever
• 8:32
  they
• 8:32
  wanted
• 8:32
  to
• 8:33
  do.
• 8:33
  So
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  fact
• 8:33
  that
• 8:33
  they're
• 8:34
  giving
• 8:34
  up
• 8:34
  their
• 8:35
  Seinfeld
• 8:35
  or
• 8:36
  whatever
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  coming
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  hang
• 8:37
  out
• 8:37
  with
• 8:38
  you,
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  know,
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  rehearse
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  tour,
• 8:41
  it's
• 8:41
  amazing,
• 8:42
  right?
• 8:42
  So
• 8:42
  you
• 8:43
  gotta
• 8:43
  give
• 8:43
  them
• 8:43
  their
• 8:43
  props
• 8:44
  and
• 8:44
  all
• 8:44
  the,
• 8:44
  all
• 8:44
  of
• 8:44
  the
• 8:45
  love
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  respect
• 8:47
  that
• 8:47
  they're
• 8:47
  owed.
• 8:48
  And
• 8:48
  when
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  do
• 8:48
  that,
• 8:49
  you
• 8:49
  know,
• 8:49
  people,
• 8:50
  people
• 8:51
  thrive.
• 8:51
  So
• 8:52
  I,
• 8:52
  I
• 8:52
  don't
• 8:52
  really.
• 8:54
  It's
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  lot
• 8:55
  of
• 8:55
  work.
• 8:55
  It
• 8:55
  is
• 8:55
  a
• 8:56
  lot
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  work.
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  have
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  say
• 8:57
  that.
• 8:57
  So
• 8:57
  at
• 8:58
  this
• 8:58
  point
• 8:58
  in
• 8:58
  my
• 8:58
  life,
• 8:58
  I
• 8:59
  am
• 8:59
  very
• 8:59
  interested
• 9:00
  in
• 9:00
  getting
• 9:01
  more
• 9:01
  help.
• 9:01
  Yeah,
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  am
• 9:03
  committed
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  getting
• 9:04
  more
• 9:05
  help.
• 9:05
  You
• 9:05
  know,
• 9:06
  my
• 9:06
  husband
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  I,
• 9:07
  as
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  said,
• 9:07
  we've
• 9:07
  been
• 9:07
  doing
• 9:07
  this
• 9:07
  for
• 9:08
  32
• 9:08
  years,
• 9:08
  so
• 9:10
  we
• 9:10
  won't
• 9:10
  be
• 9:10
  doing
• 9:10
  it
• 9:10
  for
• 9:11
  40.
• 9:11
  You
• 9:11
  envision
• 9:12
  an
• 9:12
  end.
• 9:12
  Like
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  have
• 9:13
  an
• 9:13
  end
• 9:13
  in
• 9:14
  sight
• 9:14
  right
• 9:14
  now.
• 9:14
  I
• 9:15
  listen,
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  never
• 9:15
  even
• 9:16
  finished
• 9:16
  Vision
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  Beginning,
• 9:18
  so
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  can't
• 9:18
  even
• 9:19
  envision
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  end.
• 9:19
  But
• 9:19
  I
• 9:20
  do
• 9:20
  know
• 9:20
  there
• 9:20
  is
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  need
• 9:21
  for
• 9:21
  it.
• 9:21
  There
• 9:22
  is.
• 9:22
  There
• 9:22
  is
• 9:22
  hardly
• 9:23
  any
• 9:23
  place
• 9:23
  in
• 9:24
  this
• 9:24
  country
• 9:24
  that
• 9:24
  you
• 9:24
  can
• 9:24
  go
• 9:25
  and
• 9:25
  have
• 9:25
  an
• 9:25
  experience
• 9:26
  in
• 9:27
  a
• 9:27
  gospel
• 9:27
  choir
• 9:28
  unless
• 9:28
  you
• 9:28
  actually
• 9:28
  go
• 9:28
  to
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  church
• 9:29
  or
• 9:29
  whatever.
• 9:30
  Right?
• 9:31
  Very
• 9:31
  few
• 9:32
  and
• 9:32
  so,
• 9:33
  and
• 9:34
  I
• 9:34
  think,
• 9:34
  yeah,
• 9:35
  there's
• 9:35
  definitely
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  need
• 9:36
  for
• 9:36
  it.
• 9:37
  I'm
• 9:38
  about
• 9:38
  now
• 9:38
  training
• 9:39
  people,
• 9:39
  mentoring
• 9:40
  people
• 9:41
  to
• 9:41
  make
• 9:41
  sure
• 9:41
  that
• 9:42
  this
• 9:42
  is,
• 9:43
  this
• 9:43
  is
• 9:43
  needed,
• 9:44
  it
• 9:44
  continues.
• 9:45
  And
• 9:45
  they
• 9:45
  say
• 9:45
  too,
• 9:45
  when
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  set
• 9:46
  up,
• 9:46
  for
• 9:46
  example,
• 9:47
  a
• 9:47
  charitable
• 9:47
  organization,
• 9:48
  this
• 9:48
  should
• 9:49
  not
• 9:49
  be
• 9:49
  set
• 9:49
  up
• 9:49
  for
• 9:50
  you,
• 9:50
  this
• 9:50
  is
• 9:51
  set
• 9:51
  up
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  last.
• 9:52
  Yeah.
• 9:52
  So
• 9:53
  you
• 9:53
  have
• 9:53
  to
• 9:54
  succession
• 9:54
  plan,
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  have
• 9:55
  to
• 9:55
  have
• 9:55
  that
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  mind.
• 9:56
  But
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  know
• 9:57
  what,
• 9:57
  we
• 9:57
  have
• 9:58
  our
• 9:58
  hands
• 9:58
  open
• 9:58
  with
• 9:59
  it.
• 9:59
  If
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  Lord
• 9:59
  wants
• 10:00
  it
• 10:00
  to
• 10:00
  end
• 10:00
  tomorrow,
• 10:01
  I'm
• 10:01
  okay
• 10:01
  with
• 10:01
  that.
• 10:02
  I'm
• 10:02
  okay
• 10:02
  with
• 10:03
  that.
• 10:03
  But
• 10:03
  if
• 10:04
  he
• 10:04
  wants
• 10:04
  us
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  continue,
• 10:05
  I'm
• 10:05
  okay
• 10:05
  with
• 10:05
  that.
• 10:07
  We
• 10:07
  recognize
• 10:08
  that
• 10:08
  just,
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  know,
• 10:09
  time
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  strength
• 10:10
  and
• 10:10
  all
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  that
• 10:11
  will
• 10:11
  have
• 10:11
  its
• 10:12
  inevitable
• 10:12
  end.
• 10:13
  So
• 10:13
  we'll
• 10:13
  see
• 10:13
  which
• 10:14
  one
• 10:14
  comes
• 10:14
  first.
• 10:14
  Right.
• 10:15
  The
• 10:15
  successor
• 10:15
  or
• 10:16
  by
• 10:16
  strength.
• 10:18
  That's
• 10:19
  fair.
• 10:21
  And
• 10:21
  as
• 10:22
  a
• 10:22
  professor,
• 10:23
  do
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  see
• 10:23
  yourself
• 10:24
  continuing
• 10:24
  that?
• 10:25
  Oh,
• 10:25
  yes.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  you
• 10:26
  see,
• 10:26
  this
• 10:26
  is
• 10:26
  the
• 10:27
  wonderful
• 10:27
  thing.
• 10:27
  Right.
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  mean,
• 10:28
  if
• 10:28
  it
• 10:28
  wasn't
• 10:29
  for
• 10:30
  my
• 10:30
  parents,
• 10:31
  you
• 10:31
  know,
• 10:31
  the
• 10:32
  gospel
• 10:32
  thing
• 10:32
  we
• 10:32
  did
• 10:33
  when
• 10:33
  we
• 10:33
  were
• 10:33
  coming
• 10:33
  up,
• 10:33
  my
• 10:34
  grandmother,
• 10:35
  my
• 10:36
  husband,
• 10:36
  Toronto
• 10:37
  Mass
• 10:37
  choir,
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  wouldn't
• 10:38
  be
• 10:38
  teaching
• 10:39
  at
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  university.
• 10:40
  Because
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  wanted
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  avoid
• 10:41
  it.
• 10:41
  You
• 10:41
  said,
• 10:41
  when
• 10:42
  your
• 10:42
  parents
• 10:43
  were
• 10:43
  teachers.
• 10:43
  You
• 10:43
  said,
• 10:44
  no,
• 10:44
  thanks.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:45
  even
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  teaching
• 10:46
  at
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  high
• 10:46
  school.
• 10:46
  I
• 10:46
  taught
• 10:46
  at
• 10:47
  high
• 10:47
  school
• 10:47
  for
• 10:47
  12
• 10:47
  years.
• 10:48
  All
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  that,
• 10:48
  all
• 10:49
  of
• 10:49
  that
• 10:49
  came
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  be
• 10:50
  important.
• 10:50
  And,
• 10:51
  you
• 10:52
  know,
• 10:52
  sequential
• 10:52
  to
• 10:53
  me
• 10:53
  being
• 10:53
  at
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  university
• 10:54
  and
• 10:54
  arriving
• 10:55
  at
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  university
• 10:56
  in
• 10:56
  2006,
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  mean,
• 10:58
  I
• 10:59
  feel
• 10:59
  like
• 10:59
  I.
• 10:59
  Just
• 10:59
  start
• 11:00
  your
• 11:00
  life
• 11:00
  over
• 11:00
  again,
• 11:01
  right?
• 11:01
  Yeah.
• 11:01
  And
• 11:01
  I've
• 11:02
  only
• 11:02
  been
• 11:02
  there
• 11:02
  now,
• 11:02
  this
• 11:02
  is
• 11:03
  my
• 11:03
  16th
• 11:03
  year,
• 11:04
  so
• 11:04
  I,
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  feel
• 11:05
  like
• 11:05
  I've
• 11:06
  just,
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  still
• 11:06
  have
• 11:06
  so
• 11:07
  many
• 11:07
  ideas,
• 11:08
  things
• 11:08
  I
• 11:08
  want
• 11:08
  to
• 11:08
  do,
• 11:09
  so
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  mean,
• 11:10
  I
• 11:10
  could,
• 11:11
  you
• 11:11
  know,
• 11:11
  it's
• 11:11
  not.
• 11:12
  Teaching
• 11:13
  at
• 11:13
  a
• 11:13
  university
• 11:14
  is
• 11:14
  not
• 11:14
  as
• 11:14
  hard
• 11:14
  as
• 11:15
  teaching
• 11:15
  at
• 11:15
  high
• 11:15
  school.
• 11:17
  So
• 11:17
  I
• 11:17
  would
• 11:17
  need
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  retire
• 11:18
  anytime
• 11:19
  soon.
• 11:19
  I'm
• 11:19
  not
• 11:19
  really.
• 11:20
  I'm
• 11:20
  teaching
• 11:21
  like
• 11:21
  a
• 11:22
  couple
• 11:22
  days
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  week.
• 11:22
  Right.
• 11:23
  So
• 11:23
  it's
• 11:23
  not
• 11:23
  like
• 11:23
  you
• 11:24
  have
• 11:24
  to,
• 11:24
  but
• 11:26
  I
• 11:26
  definitely
• 11:27
  want
• 11:27
  to.
• 11:27
  I
• 11:27
  feel
• 11:27
  like
• 11:27
  my
• 11:28
  opportunity
• 11:28
  now
• 11:28
  is
• 11:28
  to
• 11:29
  occupy
• 11:29
  till
• 11:29
  they
• 11:29
  come
• 11:30
  kind
• 11:30
  of
• 11:30
  thing.
• 11:30
  You
• 11:30
  know,
• 11:31
  I'm
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  first
• 11:31
  one
• 11:31
  of
• 11:32
  my
• 11:32
  kind.
• 11:33
  When
• 11:33
  I
• 11:34
  started
• 11:34
  teaching
• 11:34
  gospel
• 11:35
  music,
• 11:35
  that
• 11:35
  was
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  first
• 11:36
  time
• 11:36
  a
• 11:36
  post
• 11:37
  secondary
• 11:37
  institution
• 11:38
  did
• 11:38
  that
• 11:38
  in
• 11:38
  Canada.
• 11:39
  So
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  don't
• 11:40
  want
• 11:41
  it
• 11:41
  to
• 11:41
  be
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  last.
• 11:41
  Yeah.
• 11:42
  Are
• 11:42
  there
• 11:42
  more
• 11:43
  now?
• 11:43
  There
• 11:43
  is,
• 11:44
  there
• 11:44
  is.
• 11:44
  Humber
• 11:45
  College
• 11:45
  started
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  gospel
• 11:46
  choir
• 11:46
  program.
• 11:47
  Yeah.
• 11:47
  Gospel
• 11:48
  choir
• 11:48
  course
• 11:49
  seven
• 11:50
  years
• 11:50
  ago.
• 11:50
  Okay.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:51
  they
• 11:51
  looked
• 11:51
  at
• 11:52
  what
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  was
• 11:52
  doing
• 11:52
  and
• 11:52
  then
• 11:52
  they
• 11:53
  said
• 11:53
  okay.
• 11:53
  And
• 11:54
  so
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  was
• 11:54
  very
• 11:54
  pleased
• 11:55
  because
• 11:55
  what
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  meant
• 11:56
  is
• 11:56
  that
• 11:56
  it's
• 11:56
  not
• 11:57
  an
• 11:57
  anomaly
• 11:57
  what
• 11:57
  I'm
• 11:57
  doing.
• 11:58
  So
• 11:59
  it
• 11:59
  can,
• 11:59
  it's
• 11:59
  possible
• 12:00
  someplace
• 12:00
  else.
• 12:01
  And
• 12:01
  Brad
• 12:02
  is
• 12:02
  white.
• 12:02
  But
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  tell
• 12:03
  you
• 12:03
  something,
• 12:03
  that
• 12:04
  man
• 12:04
  is
• 12:05
  really
• 12:05
  good
• 12:05
  at
• 12:05
  what
• 12:06
  he
• 12:06
  does.
• 12:07
  He
• 12:07
  would
• 12:07
  go
• 12:07
  to
• 12:08
  GMWA
• 12:09
  for
• 12:09
  like,
• 12:09
  three,
• 12:10
  four,
• 12:10
  five
• 12:10
  summers
• 12:11
  in
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  row.
• 12:11
  And
• 12:12
  he'd
• 12:12
  be
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  only
• 12:12
  white
• 12:13
  person
• 12:13
  out
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  4,000
• 12:14
  people.
• 12:15
  But
• 12:15
  he
• 12:15
  would
• 12:15
  learn
• 12:16
  and
• 12:16
  learn
• 12:16
  and
• 12:16
  learn
• 12:16
  and
• 12:17
  learn
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  come
• 12:17
  back.
• 12:18
  And
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  could
• 12:18
  see
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  growth.
• 12:19
  He
• 12:19
  was
• 12:20
  so
• 12:20
  good
• 12:20
  at
• 12:20
  it.
• 12:21
  So
• 12:21
  I'm
• 12:21
  just
• 12:22
  pleased
• 12:22
  he
• 12:22
  took
• 12:23
  it
• 12:23
  seriously.
• 12:23
  He's
• 12:23
  not
• 12:24
  trying
• 12:24
  to,
• 12:24
  like,
• 12:24
  happy
• 12:25
  clappy.
• 12:26
  Okay,
• 12:26
  let's
• 12:26
  sing.
• 12:26
  Like,
• 12:27
  you
• 12:27
  know,
• 12:27
  whatever.
• 12:28
  He's
• 12:28
  really,
• 12:29
  like,
• 12:29
  learning
• 12:29
  the
• 12:30
  real
• 12:30
  stuff,
• 12:31
  how
• 12:31
  to
• 12:31
  teach
• 12:31
  it.
• 12:32
  He
• 12:32
  writes
• 12:32
  out
• 12:33
  stuff.
• 12:33
  He
• 12:33
  works
• 12:33
  with
• 12:34
  musicians.
• 12:34
  I
• 12:34
  mean,
• 12:34
  it's
• 12:34
  really
• 12:35
  good.
• 12:35
  So
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  love
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  fact
• 12:36
  that
• 12:37
  he's
• 12:37
  doing
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  there.
• 12:37
  And
• 12:38
  there
• 12:38
  have
• 12:38
  been
• 12:38
  interest,
• 12:38
  like
• 12:39
  at
• 12:39
  McGill.
• 12:40
  There's
• 12:40
  been
• 12:40
  interest
• 12:41
  at
• 12:42
  Brock.
• 12:43
  Right.
• 12:44
  So
• 12:44
  it's
• 12:45
  bubbling.
• 12:45
  Yeah,
• 12:46
  it's
• 12:46
  percolating.
• 12:47
  But
• 12:47
  what
• 12:47
  we
• 12:47
  need
• 12:48
  is
• 12:48
  more
• 12:48
  people.
• 12:49
  More.
• 12:51
  If
• 12:51
  you
• 12:52
  think
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  you're
• 12:52
  a
• 12:52
  gospel,
• 12:53
  you
• 12:53
  love
• 12:53
  gospel
• 12:53
  music
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  you're
• 12:54
  a
• 12:54
  musician,
• 12:54
  then
• 12:55
  you
• 12:55
  need
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  go
• 12:55
  and
• 12:56
  study
• 12:56
  it.
• 12:57
  Not
• 12:57
  it,
• 12:57
  but
• 12:58
  study
• 12:58
  music.
• 12:59
  Get
• 12:59
  a
• 13:00
  degree,
• 13:01
  get
• 13:01
  a
• 13:01
  postgraduate
• 13:02
  degree
• 13:02
  and
• 13:02
  get
• 13:03
  you
• 13:03
  into
• 13:03
  an
• 13:03
  academic
• 13:04
  institution.
• 13:05
  Because
• 13:06
  if
• 13:06
  you're
• 13:06
  not
• 13:07
  ready
• 13:08
  when
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  door
• 13:08
  opens,
• 13:09
  they're
• 13:10
  going
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  just
• 13:10
  fill
• 13:10
  it
• 13:10
  with
• 13:10
  somebody
• 13:11
  else
• 13:11
  who's
• 13:11
  going
• 13:11
  to
• 13:11
  make
• 13:11
  it
• 13:11
  into
• 13:11
  a
• 13:11
  glee
• 13:12
  club.
• 13:12
  Right.
• 13:13
  Very
• 13:13
  different.
• 13:14
  So
• 13:15
  I'm
• 13:15
  so
• 13:15
  happy
• 13:15
  about
• 13:16
  people
• 13:16
  like
• 13:16
  Darren
• 13:16
  Hamilton,
• 13:17
  who
• 13:18
  was
• 13:18
  one
• 13:18
  of
• 13:18
  my
• 13:18
  first
• 13:18
  students
• 13:19
  at
• 13:19
  York
• 13:19
  when
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  got
• 13:20
  there.
• 13:21
  And
• 13:22
  is
• 13:22
  doing
• 13:22
  his
• 13:23
  doctorate
• 13:24
  at
• 13:24
  U
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  T
• 13:25
  right
• 13:25
  now
• 13:25
  in
• 13:25
  gospel
• 13:26
  music
• 13:26
  education.
• 13:27
  And
• 13:28
  I'm
• 13:28
  so
• 13:29
  excited
• 13:29
  about
• 13:29
  people
• 13:29
  who
• 13:29
  are
• 13:30
  stepping
• 13:30
  in
• 13:31
  and
• 13:31
  taking
• 13:31
  this
• 13:31
  thing
• 13:32
  seriously
• 13:32
  and
• 13:33
  taking
• 13:33
  it
• 13:33
  up.
• 13:33
  So
• 13:33
  I've
• 13:34
  seen
• 13:34
  some
• 13:34
  more
• 13:34
  people,
• 13:34
  you
• 13:35
  know,
• 13:35
  going
• 13:36
  for
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  gold.
• 13:37
  And
• 13:38
  so
• 13:38
  right
• 13:38
  now
• 13:39
  I
• 13:39
  just
• 13:39
  feel
• 13:39
  like
• 13:39
  I'm
• 13:39
  gonna
• 13:40
  occupy
• 13:40
  until
• 13:40
  they're
• 13:41
  ready.